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Five Winter Tree Care Myths · Talking Trees with Davey Tree

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Davey Tree Expert Company's podcast, Talking Trees.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm your host, Doug Oyster.
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  SPEAKER_01: Each week, our expert arborists share advice on seasonal tree care, how to make your trees thrive, arborists' favorite trees, and much, much more.
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  SPEAKER_01: Tune in every Thursday to learn more because here at the Talking Trees Podcast, we know trees are the answer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm joined again by Jacob Rigg.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is a district manager with the South St.
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  SPEAKER_01: Paul, Minnesota office for the Debut Tree Expert Company.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jacob, we're talking all about myths today.
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  SPEAKER_01: How are you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Doing well, Doug.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for inviting me.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for coming back to the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I've got a list of some myths that were sent to me, and I want to run through them with you and see what you think.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, myth number one: a tree doesn't need water in the winter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh, it's a great myth.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, trees need water um all the time.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they have structures in them that store water.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but even in the wintertime, roots will grow um if it's not too frozen.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so watering even mature large trees is a very good thing to do, especially if we're in a drought, which happens a lot these days.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when do we stop watering?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, typically when the ground freezes, it doesn't really make sense any longer.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but even today with leaves off the trees, cold weather, um, still water in new plants.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, small trees that were planted in the last year or two are great candidates to make sure your the water groundwater is saturated and everything's ready to go for spring.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: When does the ground freeze in Minnesota?
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: August or September?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Depends.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, we've had snow in July up north, but typically it's you know, these days end of November, December.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you never know with the the different types of climates we are having now.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we had 80 degrees this week.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, it you never know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So with the small trees in particular, and if we're not getting rain at the end of the season, how do you know how much water to put on?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, usually the rule of thumb, you know, the research-based information that I've been provided, um, for every diameter inch that tree is, it's five gallons of water per week.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so you do take into account rain and soil texture, you know, like if it's clay, sand, etc.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it, you know, it that's a really good rule of thumb.
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  SPEAKER_01: So before we go on to the rest of our myths, I want to know about your season this year.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: What was it like?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, overall the weather was very fickle.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, typically we have substantial storms, which we really didn't have any.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's been a pretty good year for trees.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, lots of pruning.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, the season's been really, really good for client communication.
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  SPEAKER_00: The crews are healthy, the trees are healthy, we're having a great year.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, speaking of pruning, myth number two all pruning should wait until spring.
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  SPEAKER_00: A good basis, if you know, for for pruning um is to wait during the dormant season.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, that means there's less insects, disease uh capability.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there are a select number of plants that are great to prune anytime.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, elms being one of them that you know the the research shows that you could actually take up to 50% of an immature elm canopy off, and the tree thrives even better.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there is some research out there as well for uh maples to uh prune those more towards the end of the summer, um, so they get wound response.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so there's some interesting things that you know uh certified arborists can help people through, but that right there is is very substantial, um, you know, years and years of trial and error.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so yes, uh dormant season, if you know trees, that's the prime time for 90% of all species.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go into that elm, because uh as I've been taught, and I'm no expert, I'm just a host, but we don't touch that elm until they are dormant.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's typically true.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's been again limited information out there, but you know, when you make a wound on an elm tree during the growing season, you do get potential of bark beetles uh being attracted to that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know, most of the trees that are planted and growing now are hybrids or disease resistant.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's not as imperative to wait for the end of you know for the grow the growing season to cease.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I like to prune them anytime, but if there's a big mature old elm, you know, it's great, you know, American elm variety.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's great to wait.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, myth number three: snow always harms trees.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if that were true, we'd be, you know, our forests would be in big trouble.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: But um, but yeah, snow can damage trees.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, arborvitae is one that potentially gets damaged.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ice is a big factor in a lot of tree damage, but trees are designed and involved, you know, with lots of snow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so especially in our area, it's it's something that you know we've prune structurally to help reduce the likelihood of trees breaking apart at uh you know, weak unions and things of that nature, cable embracing to help prevent that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But by and large, snow is great for trees.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Jacob, when we do get uh a snow event that is like wet snow, should we just leave the tree be, especially the evergreens?
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  SPEAKER_01: And then if it freezes, what should I do?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: Great question.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so a lot of our clients will you know put in, we use arbor tie, it's called it's a flat strap that cinches up some of the weak arborvitae, for instance.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: We do some pruning, but also um I love going to properties and doing um you know a backpack blower on some of the snow and ice that come that can kind of fluff off the snow.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yes, that's a great concern because um heavy ice load or wet, heavy, wet snow breaks off trees like white pine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, elongated branches break off.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um it's can be a serious thing for a lot of trees.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: So monitoring it, you know, making sure that it, you know, if you have the means to knock a little bit of that off, it's great.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_00: But the structure of spruce and pines that are more uh X current or Christmas tree-shaped are wonderful.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um they they're designed to withhold a lot, withstand lots of snow load.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, one thing I think is really interesting that you brought up was pruning ahead of the snow coming and looking at the tree before we have a weather event and being sure that things are done to keep that tree healthy if we do get uh heavy snow load, ice, that sort of thing.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you mentioned cabling and bracing, but certainly pruning is something too uh before winter sets in.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, one of our really competitive advantages at Davy is that we have the Davy Institute.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can help people not necessarily storm-proof, but create storm resistance in trees.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, like you said, elongated branches, reducing those, um, making sure included bark or co-dominant stems are addressed.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: So those types of things set us apart in a lot of areas because we use science and we use research to back up a lot of the things that we do.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_00: Pruning for structure, if you start early in a tree's life, you can really affect the mature tree and make it almost storm-proof, storm resistant.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I only have one more myth left on my list, and then we're gonna see what we can get out of you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Myth number four ah, the tree care can wait until the spring.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about it.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, a lot of folks you know see a tree only when it has leaves on it for some reason.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it really can't wait, especially for trees like oaks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, oak wilt is a serious disease in our area.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you wait, um you can put your tree in jeopardy.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of the trees and situations that we have in Minnesota specifically, um, you know, you want to address during the dormant season, but you know, waiting till spring, typically that's when storms and heavy rains occur.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: So if you you miss the boat on that and you lose a half your tree, or you know, if trees become uprooted, there's a lot of things that can happen.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'd highly advise at least someone taking a look at your tree.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: Winter is a prime time.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can typically save money because crews are slower, you can schedule out quite a distance.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_00: So the savvy consumer really does, you know, have us out in the winter time.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was gonna ask you that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's normal, like during a thaw or when it's it's not serious weather that you're you're working in the trees all season, right?
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: Every single day of you know, the work week.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, look able to put the leaves off to see structure of a tree.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a lot of the time they're masked.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_00: So when the leaves are off, you know, you can tell the difference between a dead branch and a live branch.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, an arborist can that's skilled, you know, the different textures of bark that happen when they, you know, the branches die.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's actually a really good time um to really see a tree for what it is structurally.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I I think it's the best time of the year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, put your thinking cap on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to hear about some more myths if you can come up with any.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this one may be a little controversial, but uh um tree wraps.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of folks you know think we have to protect trees from the winter weather.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, terms like frost cracks, for instance.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a frost crack is very it's kind of a misnomer.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a frost crack is usually an old injury or sun scald that you know the tree seals over those wounds, and then the temperature you know during the day is a little bit warmer, night you know turns very cold.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those old injuries will make a popping sound.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: You know, sometimes in the woods I've heard them that sounds like a gunshot.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that it so that that wound will actually burst open um some of the tissue of the tree.
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  SPEAKER_00: So people think, well, if I wrap my tree, that won't happen.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um I only recommend tree wrapping when you know it's deer breeding season, you know, when the deer have their antlers on, they s it'll scrape it up.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: You have mice or voles that'll chew on thin little bark trees.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: But few folks know that there's actually photosynthesis happening under the bark on thin bark trees.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it also creates a moisture layer often, so you want to avoid using tree wraps.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the the if you want an all-year-round kind of wrap, what I suggest is more of uh a round, breathable um tube, basically, that's substantially far away from the trunk that allows some airflow and passage, but it eliminates you know animals damaging it.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's what I use during the deer rut.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: I use something that's away from the tree trunk, but they don't like rubbing on it.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you made me think of a uh what I think is a myth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you tell me if I'm right or wrong.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: After a deer rubs a tree, or if you get uh uh maybe a rodent nibbling on that one side, if it doesn't go all the way around, do I just let it do its thing and heal itself, or am I supposed to put some kind of tree goop on there?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great, great question, too.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's another myth, not necessarily winter, but um you know if you buy a can of pruning sealer paint, you know, you read the back and it says stops decay or slows decay.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um the research done years and years ago by Alex Schego, um, the Forest Service showed that if you put goop or spray paint or whatever on your tree wound, it actually increases the amount of decay.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_00: So um the research, you know, like the black tar stuff folks used to use all the time is not necessary at all.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um a tree will it's better when it dries out that wound um and it seals over slowly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, you're it the the goops and the gunk is typically only used for you know disease transmission.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: So if we have an oak tree that has a wit uh summer fracture or breakage in a windstorm, that's when we use it.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: So those insects that would attack and transmit disease are not attracted to those.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I came up with one on my own, Jacob.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: How about that, huh?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Good job.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we work really hard, you know, this time of year too, to make sure that our clients know like timing is of the essence for different things.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of folks, you know, again, just they don't have trees on their mind at all.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe a little yard cleanup, things like that.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh a good myth is that you need to rake up all your leaves.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um a lot of folks, you know, are love immaculate turf.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're that person, yeah, that's that's a thing you need to do.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: But for the majority of us, you know, adding removing leaf matter will take away nutrients from the future.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that carbon cycle that you know, uh if you, for instance, maybe break up some and mow some in, will add nutrients to that soil over time.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: That means you have richer, deeper soil.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um a lot of the reason we use ArborGreen Pro so much in Davy is because people love immaculate landscapes.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: So not mowing your leaves creates a deficit, and that's what we have to re-establish for those trees.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: So not raking is a-okay with me.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Well, whenever an arborist tells me I don't have to rake, they become my best friend.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: I tell everybody when I do the show, I live in this oak forest, and you know oak leaves.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so I leave them everywhere I can possibly leave them.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: I like to uh shred them up with the mower.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: Uh uh, but there's some areas they have to be removed from driveway, patio, that sort of thing.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: But around the trees, around the plants, there's nothing better than leaving those leaves.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh, as I said, uh I'm always relieved when I get that from a from an arborist that I don't have to rake.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I like to leave them like in the perennial beds too.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_01: I figure that the butterflies and all the stuff underneath there, they'll have a little bit of protection.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: And if I have to, I can move them out in the early in the spring.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: But usually they kind of break down and then things grow over them, and I don't worry about it.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many different insects, like you said, that um, you know, beneficial ones that breed and leave eggs in that leaf matter.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, different types of microorganisms feed off it.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's really a good thing to leave them if you can tolerate that, which I, you know, I plant prairie in my my lawn areas, you know, and I let leaves accumulate.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I, you know, every couple of years do a small prescribed burn, and that, yeah, it just it it's so much better, so much easier, low maintenance.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's wonderful.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you brought it up.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Now I need to learn about that.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's gonna go us and that's gonna send us in a whole new direction.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: But what does that mean?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh growing a lawn, a prairie lawn.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's you know, I used to mow lawns for a living, you know, as a kid and things like that.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, I've never really understood why people want this outside carpet, you know, it's very artificial.
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  SPEAKER_00: So learning about natural resources and getting an education in that, you know, putting in prairie plants and grasses, you know, for bees and butterflies and beneficial insects and birds.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like the I there's times when, you know, I've bought a property, let's say I'm moving into a new house and I've ripped up the old garden, or I put in took out a bunch of the the bluegrass, um, and then planted plugs of prairie plants.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's some specific ones for Minnesota that attract monarch butterflies, you know, so that's prairie blazing star and rose milkweed.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: That two those cycles, I mean, I've had flocks and flocks of butterflies in my in my yard that you know just amaze the neighbors.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, not having to fertilize, not having to mow, you know, two times a week, not having to irrigate, um, and still having something super attractive if you plant it right, um, it's it's the future, you know, it's something that is fantastic, eye appeal, as well as great for the environment.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it if we converted so much more of our lawn, we'd have less water shortages, um, you know, and less maintenance and probably more enjoyable than you know having turf grass.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I have dogs, so I leave some turf grass, but uh I also just you know I would I would convert the entire world into prairie if I could, because it's so beautiful.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, they grow well with trees, they don't compete as much as you know, turf grass.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a it's a win-win for for nature lovers.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a couple plants in there that you mentioned, but what else?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like different grasses, like taller grasses, and what what else would go in there?
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: This is interesting.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, uh there's so there's many different uh modes.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, short grass uh prairies are very compact, they don't flop over as much.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have like a little perennial bed, you know, putting in some blue gramma grass or little blue stem grasses, you know, stuff that doesn't mature really big, but it also has those benefits.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm more of a tall grass prairie lover.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: So if you plant like a small bed with tall grass, like little blue stem Indian grass, those flop over and they look kind of shoddy sometimes.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: So in that case, I have to kind of figure out a way to support those plants.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll put a plant like um compass plant, you know, in the periphery that's very stout, doesn't flop over much.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um wild white indigo with my grasses.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: So like it'll kind of buffer some of those, you know, long, big, tall grasses.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um so you know, they're they're fantastic um that way.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: So if you plant a little bit, if you have a smaller area, you kind of got a plan.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: But if you have a big, you know, 100 by 100 area, like it doesn't really matter as much when those plants bend over, they create you know nesting sites for birds and things of that nature.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it's yeah, it's it's scientific, but it's also you don't have to be, you know, a genius in prairie.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you can kill off an area if you don't like pesticides, you put down black plastic, kill off your your grass, um, and then you hang and hand seed.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's a whole process to that, um, and grow beautiful, beautiful uh prairies in a matter of a couple years.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_00: Most folks can't stand uh year one and two because it's weedy and kind of ugly looking, but year three, four, five, it's just explodes in color, explodes in wildlife.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um I just had some great experiences with those.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Before I let you go, we've gone from myths to to uh growing up prairie, but you got to tell me your feeling when you're seeing that prairie in year three, four, five, and it's doing its thing, and you're getting all those butterflies in there, and you know you're doing this positive thing for the environment.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Discuss that a little bit for me.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I I what comes to mind is my prairie back home in my parents' house.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they have a three-acre lot.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was always, you know, very thin grass.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was a native prairie originally because I could see some little tiny plants like wild gention and pussy toes.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: There's a couple of different plants, but I can I helped by taking the the neighbor had 80 acres of prairie, so I'd take some seeds down.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um we planted it all by seed.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, year one is like my parents were like, what did we do?
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's thistles growing and it's kind of ratty looking.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um year two, a little bit better.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of those early uh you know, uh plants like uh brown-eyed Susans, black-eyed Susans were beautiful, totally yellow and pinks and oranges.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then year three, four, five, uh it just exploded in color.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like everybody in the neighborhood was astounded because I used a lot of Forbes overgrasses, but you know, the deer coming for the first time, turkeys, uh bluebirds nesting.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, it's it was fantastic.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: And like the feeling I get was just pure happiness because all those things that you know it went from a barren wasteland pretty much to beautiful, biodiverse, and you know, no water needed, no fertilizer, no poisons of any kind.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: It was it was fantastic.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: Final myth prairies can't be beautiful.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Totally wrong.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you do it wrong, I mean, there's there's instances where people would bring like seeds from Texas, you know, and they get invasive mixes or something like that, you know, ordering a catalog.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: So you kind of have to be, you know, a little bit investigative.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's there's places in Minnesota that harvest local ecotype, which means it's grown in this area naturally.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to be a little bit discerning on what you choose.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but Davy, DRG, we do a lot of those types of things, and we're we're awesome at doing that.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: So um I'd advise anybody out there that loves prairie or this sounds interesting, try a piece.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's wonderful to know that you don't have to use all those resources to have what's native to this area, anyways.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Jacob, that was a lot of fun.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I appreciate your time, and uh boy, did I learn a lot, not only about winter myths, but the beauty of a prairie garden.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: So thanks so much, and I'm sure we will talk again soon.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: Always a pleasure, Doug.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, sir.
• 21:33
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• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so exploring the winter myths along with the prairie line, that was awesome.
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