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Trekcast 477: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Season 4 Controversy: Showrunner Defends Mixed Fan Reviews · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

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Speaker 1: The episode called the galaxy's most unpredictable Star Trek podcast.
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Speaker 2: Live studios in New York Idaho and Michigan this This.
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Speaker 1: Is TrekCast, the galaxy's most unpredictable Star Trek podcast. Today
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Speaker 1: on the show, we're going to talk about Season 4,
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Speaker 1: Episode 9 of Stranger Worlds, once on a time. Plus,
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Speaker 1: we've got Star Trek news and your listener feedback. I
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Speaker 1: am Scott Bauters with Daniel Reyes. And now, convinced more
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Speaker 1: than ever of the Flat Earth Theory... That's right. It's
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Speaker 1: Dan Lombardo.
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Speaker 3: The flat earth. That's true. I did think of that.
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Speaker 1: I thought about that, too.
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Speaker 3: Are they going to throw some shade at those lunatics?
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Speaker 1: I thought for sure they were going to.
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Speaker 4: I was hoping for lizard people, but you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, either way.
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Speaker 4: If we're going to have the flat earth, let's go
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Speaker 4: all the way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
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Speaker 4: Let's do it all.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Robot birds.
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Speaker 5: What?
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Speaker 4: You say that like that's fake.
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Speaker 3: We know that the birds aren't real.
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Speaker 1: Oh, don't really laugh. I've been getting over a cold, so. Oh, no.
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Speaker 3: Speaking of cold, hoodie weather in New York.
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Speaker 4: Two thumbs up.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 4: We're getting there in Idaho. The mornings are super cold,
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Speaker 4: but by the day, it's like 80. Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yes. It's that time of year where you have to
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Speaker 3: pick out two outfits. You have to wear one to work.
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Speaker 3: You have to change at lunch.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That's why I dress in layers. Lots of hoodies. Lots of, yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I hate hoodies that can't unzip. I need them to
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Speaker 1: be able to come off easily.
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Speaker 4: I also need to zip.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't, I wouldn't wear that hoodie.
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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, same.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: So this is yours. That's one reason, but this, right.
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Speaker 3: Um, this hoodie is one feature that I like about
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Speaker 3: specifically about this hoodie. Okay. Just like the size of
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Speaker 3: this hood.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 3: Right. Goes over. This is, oh my goodness. This is a,
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Speaker 3: This is Elaine on the couch watching television. Don't want
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Speaker 3: the light in my eyes hoodie. I'll pull it down
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Speaker 3: just above my eyes.
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Speaker 4: That looks like its own pocket dimension.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 3: It really is.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 3: I wear this hoodie and I want to go, no, no, no.
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Speaker 3: Electricity comes out of my fingers. That's how big this
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Speaker 3: hood is.
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Speaker 4: That's awesome. That's awesome. Good morning.
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Speaker 1: Good morning. We had a garage sale this weekend. In fact,
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Speaker 1: after this, I'm going to continue the garage sale. So Friday,
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Speaker 1: the weather was perfect. Seventy, sunny, a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: Made a few strips of latinum.
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Speaker 5: Nice.
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Speaker 1: And yesterday, we had two people show up for a
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Speaker 1: grand total of $ 2. Nice.
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Speaker 6: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So we just sat out there all day, just hung out.
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Speaker 3: Were you talking stuff up? Were you like, you know,
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Speaker 3: this shirt. this shirt was worn by one of the
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Speaker 3: hosts of Trek cast.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 3: Star Trek podcast.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: And it was screen. It was screen used.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 3: So in these three episodes, I mean.
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Speaker 1: That's called Providence. Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: Providence.
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Speaker 1: This piece here is a collective.
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Speaker 3: It's only going to go up in value.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think I did. That's exactly how my, my,
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Speaker 1: my late father, he was a, he had a Ferengi ring.
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Speaker 1: blood running through his veins. He was a wheeler dealer
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Speaker 1: type of guy, you know? And so he loved garage sales,
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Speaker 1: both putting on garage sales and going to garage sales. And,
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Speaker 1: you know, he would talk something up or give a
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Speaker 1: sob story if he was trying to buy something, you know,
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Speaker 1: like it was, it was great.
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Speaker 3: The great thing about hosting a garage sale is you
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Speaker 3: can totally like, you can totally oversell it. You can
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Speaker 3: get in there like a used car salesman and, And
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Speaker 3: if it's too much, people just assume you're being funny
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Speaker 3: because it's a yard sale.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because nobody cares.
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Speaker 3: Whereas if you do that at a car dealership, people
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Speaker 3: get turned off and walk away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I put on a full production selling
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Speaker 1: like a $ 2 knick-knack on Friday.
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Speaker 3: What do I got to do to send that home
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Speaker 3: with you?
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Speaker 1: Right. That's great. I'm like, you know you can't live
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Speaker 1: without that. I mean, you're not going to walk away
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Speaker 1: from that, are you?
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Speaker 4: I don't know, man. I'm pretty convinced that Facebook Marketplace
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Speaker 4: has killed garage sales.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't.
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Speaker 4: You don't think so?
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Speaker 3: It hasn't. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.
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Speaker 3: It takes a bit of work to put stuff on Marketplace.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: To run a garage sale, you pull the shit out
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Speaker 3: of your house, spread it out on the driveway. Right.
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Speaker 3: And at the end of the night, you push it
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Speaker 3: out to the end of the road and it doesn't
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Speaker 3: come back in.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: So I still find great deals at yard sales because
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Speaker 3: people are... People are too lazy to take pictures and
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Speaker 3: post it and, okay, you know, I'll meet you at
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Speaker 3: the library parking lot at this time because I don't
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Speaker 3: want you to come to my house or meet me
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Speaker 3: at the police. Some people don't want to do that.
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Speaker 3: You know who doesn't want to do that? Well-to-do people.
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Speaker 4: They don't have time.
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Speaker 3: They don't have time for that. They don't have time
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Speaker 3: for that.
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Speaker 4: They don't want to make 20 bucks.
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Speaker 3: But they will sit on the driveway and sip coffee
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Speaker 3: for six hours on a nice summer day and watch
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Speaker 3: their stuff play. go out the door at bargain prices
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Speaker 3: because they don't really need the money. They're just, they
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Speaker 3: just want to hang out with the neighbors and clean
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Speaker 3: the house out.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing with us too. It's like, uh, we
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Speaker 1: probably sold $ 10, 000 worth of stuff for 200 bucks, you know?
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That's how it is.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Whereas my garage sales are terrible. My garage sale is
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Speaker 3: the driveway full of shit that I couldn't sell in marketplace.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh, yeah, you need that He-Man sword.
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Speaker 1: We're going to have it again next weekend because it's
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Speaker 1: already out in the garage. It's already on tables. But
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Speaker 1: after that, anything that doesn't go, I'm taken straight to
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Speaker 1: the Salvation Army.
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Speaker 4: I picture Dan's garage. That's a very rare nunchuck from
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Speaker 4: a Michelangelo. That's very hard to find.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Hard to find stuff, too. I've been
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Speaker 1: looking for... Oh, this would be a great platform to
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Speaker 1: see if anybody's got this. In 1989... I was playing
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Speaker 1: with my friend's RoboCop figure, okay? And somewhere around the
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Speaker 1: corner of Amherst and Kent, I lost the gun to it.
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Speaker 3: It's okay, because the gun looks horrendous on that figure.
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Speaker 3: I know the exact figure you're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, since then, my friend has given me crap about it.
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Speaker 1: We're still friends. His name's Mark. And so he tells
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Speaker 1: me every once in a while, you owe me a
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Speaker 1: gun from a 1989... RoboCop.
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Speaker 4: I bet you could 3D print that.
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Speaker 1: Now, that's a good idea. That's a good idea. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I bet somebody has got the file on some free website.
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Speaker 4: You download it and just 3D.
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Speaker 1: Print the gun. For his birthday sometime or for Christmas,
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Speaker 1: I want to get that gun.
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Speaker 4: Do you have it?
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Speaker 1: I will.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: You'll find it.
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Speaker 1: I will.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm going to... I'm going to a
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Speaker 3: show later today.
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Speaker 4: Oh, there you go.
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Speaker 3: I've never been to it before. It's called the collector takeover. Okay.
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Speaker 3: So I'm sure there will be a bunch of stuff there.
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Speaker 3: If not, I mean, I have a network of people.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 3: That I deal with all the time. So, I mean,
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Speaker 3: there's a couple of Facebook groups where I could say, Hey,
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Speaker 3: I need this for my buddy. And I mean, I've
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Speaker 3: helped so many people out over the years. Probably somebody
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Speaker 3: be like, yep, I'll send it to you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yep, I'll send it to you. I probably won't even
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Speaker 3: need to give my address because we have sent stuff
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Speaker 3: back and forth through the mail so many times. And
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Speaker 3: I may actually already have it. I have to look.
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Speaker 4: Do you need an FFL for transporting guns over state borders?
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Speaker 3: No, because it's considered a replica.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Not an antique?
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Speaker 3: So I'm good except in the big cities.
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Speaker 1: Chicago, Detroit, I'm surprised that Daniel knows the term FFL.
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Speaker 3: I know, right?
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Speaker 4: I live in North Idaho.
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Speaker 1: What do you know?
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Speaker 3: Daniel worked for, I don't remember how long ago.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple years ago, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Daniel worked for a firearms accessory manufacturer.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, fun fact, they went out of business.
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Speaker 3: Did they?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that trend went out. So you now have
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Speaker 4: a rare gun holster.
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 3: I don't.
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Speaker 1: I gave it away. Oh, did you?
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I didn't like it.
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Speaker 3: I was like, somebody will like it. Yeah, that's fine.
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Speaker 1: Whatever. Are we avoiding the main topic?
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Speaker 3: We absolutely are.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: And we're going to keep avoiding it. We'll talk about
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Speaker 3: random stuff. So when I buy lots of toys sometimes,
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Speaker 3: I'll get pieces. I'll get pieces of a toy and
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Speaker 3: I won't throw them away or trade them or whatever.
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Speaker 3: So the 1978 Mego Buck Rogers toy line, I got
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Speaker 3: the top half of this character.
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Speaker 1: Can you say how you do?
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Speaker 3: Character's name is Draco. So I've never seen the show
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Speaker 3: in 30 or 40 years, but he had no legs.
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Speaker 3: But it's the same construction as G.I. Joe figures. So
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Speaker 3: I thought, you know what, I'm going to put him
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Speaker 3: in a pair of bell bottoms. So there's shipwrecked bell bottoms. And, uh,
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Speaker 3: he looks like, he looks like he should, except for
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Speaker 3: the holster. He, looks like he should be at woodstock
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Speaker 3: or something i was gonna.
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Speaker 4: Say is he wearing like a like a belly shirt
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Speaker 4: oh no that's.
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Speaker 3: No he's just he's got like a it's like a
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Speaker 3: high belt it's like okay the light on it was
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Speaker 3: like like he's like cut off belly shirt he's got
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Speaker 3: a nice nice full man shoe oh that is nice
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Speaker 3: go in there It.
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Speaker 1: Looks like what Klingons would wear for their formal attire.
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Speaker 3: That's it. That's what it is. This is a Klingon
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Speaker 3: bar mitzvah outfit. That's what that is.
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Speaker 4: That's right. Since you're going to the toy show.
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Speaker 3: What are you looking for?
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Speaker 4: Okay. So I have this, right? It's a He-Man and
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Speaker 4: a Hot Wheel thing. Okay. Okay. It's like him in
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Speaker 4: a racer. I know they make a Batman one of these.
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Speaker 4: They're newer. They're within the last five years.
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Speaker 3: Hot Wheels. But what is it? The characters on top
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Speaker 3: of it?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah. If you see the Batman.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll let you know.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 3: Anything else? Anything else? Show and tell? We got anything?
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Speaker 3: Got this tape measure here.
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Speaker 1: Watch. Watch.
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Speaker 4: Oh, look at that.
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Speaker 3: Look at this. Look at this. It goes back in.
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Speaker 3: It goes back in.
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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll have time at the end of the episode
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Speaker 1: to talk about another another franchise that I'm really digging
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Speaker 1: right now.
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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I got one of those upstairs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I'm digging that show, man. I'm digging that show.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: For those of you who are listening to this podcast,
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Speaker 1: not watching it, I just showed a Green Lantern ring.
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Speaker 3: I showed a tape measure, which, fun fact, could defeat
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Speaker 3: your Green Lantern ring because it's yellow.
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Speaker 1: It's yellow. Yes, it is.
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Speaker 4: Is it yellow because it's powered by fear?
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Speaker 3: Yes, because there's nothing scarier than cutting a piece of
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Speaker 3: wood too short. That's right. I'm going to run to
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Speaker 3: Lowe's and get another one. Yep. Yep.
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Speaker 1: I know that all too well.
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Speaker 4: God damn it.
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Speaker 3: You know, they say measure twice, cut once.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Measure twice, cut twice because you suck at measuring.
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Speaker 4: That's me.
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Speaker 3: That really goes. All right.
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Speaker 4: Well, should we get to the news? Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I know.
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Speaker 1: Star Trek news.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 4: So there's actually quite a bit of Star Trek news.
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Speaker 4: In fact, our first one, Dan, you'll be happy to know,
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Speaker 4: we got to check out the Mount.
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Speaker 3: What up at the Mount?
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Speaker 4: All right. So our first news story comes to us
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Speaker 4: from the Wall Street Journal, you know, because we keep
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Speaker 4: track of what they're up to all the time. But
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Speaker 4: apparently Paramount is in advanced settlement talks with California's attorney
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Speaker 4: general to make this whole California or attorney generals between
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Speaker 4: like 11 other states or 12 other states, whatever it is.
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Speaker 4: go away, that whole lawsuit. So, yeah, the talks are
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Speaker 4: going right now. Don't have a settlement just yet, but
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Speaker 4: they are expecting a settlement soon. So, I don't know,
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Speaker 4: earlier this week there were reports that Paramount was going
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Speaker 4: to leave California. So I think that's what put the
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Speaker 4: pressure on these settlements. And so this could all be
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Speaker 4: over soon and Warner Brothers and Paramount will be merged
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Speaker 4: and you'll get Harry Potter on the Enterprise pretty soon.
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Speaker 3: So I've got.
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Speaker 1: Your Harry Potter right here.
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Speaker 3: It's funny because I remember one of the sticking points
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Speaker 3: is who's going to control CNN.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. OK.
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Speaker 3: CNN, who El Presidente just kicked out of the White House.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 3: It's like we really are living in the worst timeline.
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Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: At this point. Yeah. I can't wait until this era
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Speaker 3: of politics is over.
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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 3: And I'm both whether you, no matter what side of the,
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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what side you're on.
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Speaker 4: Cause I, Oh yeah.
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Speaker 3: I'm, I'm talking about him and I'm also talking about
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Speaker 3: the off the wall, crazy reactions to him that the other,
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Speaker 3: that the other side has. I'm just tired of all
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Speaker 3: of it.
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Speaker 4: I'm so tired. All right. The next news story comes
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Speaker 4: to us from TV line.
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Speaker 1: Nice.
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Speaker 4: And speak. Yeah. Well, speaking of next. Yeah. Speaking of
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Speaker 4: criticism and puppets and puppets. Yeah. Season four EP has
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Speaker 4: heard your criticism and he says there's a method to
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Speaker 4: our mess.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah.
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Speaker 4: So Akiva Goldsman did a big interview talking about, hey,
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Speaker 4: you know, we get a producer.
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Speaker 1: OK, take me a second.
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Speaker 4: Executive producer of Strange New Worlds.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 4: I did a big interview talking about the less than
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Speaker 4: desirable fan fan reception of strange new world season four. Uh,
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Speaker 4: he says, we, we get it. We love those two.
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Speaker 4: He talking about classic Star Trek episodes. He goes, but
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Speaker 4: he points that, that it's in our title, in our
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Speaker 4: title and our worlds are genres. So it's strange new
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Speaker 4: genres guys. That's strange. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. So he
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Speaker 4: says we, we only get 10 episodes every year. and
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Speaker 4: they wanted to jump around in different genres. He says
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Speaker 4: they did that in the original series. Kind of, but
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Speaker 4: not to this extent. Yeah, he says, we are Star
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Speaker 4: Trek fans deeply, and we want to try to respond
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Speaker 4: to the fandom, and we really just can't please all
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Speaker 4: the people all the time.
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Speaker 3: So please none of the people, none of the time.
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Speaker 3: Got it. Just to be fair.
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Speaker 4: I was going to save this for later, but I
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Speaker 4: can just show you this now, too. There's a website
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Speaker 4: called Series Graph. And they basically bring together all of
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Speaker 4: the ratings for a show from across the internet. And
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Speaker 4: they've turned it into a graphic so you can easily
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Speaker 4: see how well a show is being received or not.
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Speaker 4: And so here's Strange New World Season 4. The latest episode,
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Speaker 4: one on at a time, is the lowest rated episode
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Speaker 4: of all time. at a 4.3. These are out of 10. Um,
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Speaker 4: and then the overall series season four is at a 6.2
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Speaker 4: out of 10 compared to past seasons, which were like 7.8
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Speaker 4: or eight, eight, uh, or 7.1. So I'd have.
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Speaker 1: To agree with that. Those numbers at the bottom.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: 7.1, 6.2.
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Speaker 3: I mean, statistics are great, but they don't, these things
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Speaker 3: don't occur in a vacuum. And what I mean, what
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Speaker 3: I mean by that, what, what episode number is this
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Speaker 3: for the season?
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Speaker 4: Nine, nine.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: Um, if this was the first episode of the season,
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Speaker 3: it would have been fine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But we have had, we had eight other unenjoyable or
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Speaker 3: seven or six. However, I know there were a couple
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Speaker 3: that were in there that were okay, but you know,
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Speaker 3: it was like the fifth or sixth dud.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: People are getting tired of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Um, well you can see in that graphic five and
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Speaker 4: less and there's, you know, five episodes, half the season.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Um, yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I watched this, I half watched the episode.
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Speaker 3: I watched the whole episode, but I half watched it.
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Speaker 3: I was on my phone the whole time. I just didn't,
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Speaker 3: I just didn't care. I just didn't care.
17:16
Speaker 7: Yeah.
17:17
Speaker 3: All right.
17:17
Speaker 4: We'll get, we'll get to that. Cause we, we got
17:20
Speaker 4: one more new story.
17:21
Speaker 1: Okay.
17:21
Speaker 4: And our last new story comes to us from, uh,
17:25
Speaker 4: Trek movie.com. This is also, Oh no. Where did Dan go?
17:28
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm still here. I just need a little
17:30
Speaker 3: privacy for a minute. That's all.
17:31
Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, God. Oh, no.
17:35
Speaker 4: Anyways, TrekMovie.com. Also from Akiva Goldsman talking about Star Trek
17:40
Speaker 4: Year One. And he says he does not see it happening.
17:45
Speaker 4: So this is the big TOS kind of reboot that
17:50
Speaker 4: people have been talking about, how the producers have been
17:52
Speaker 4: saying they want to do. That they tell us that
17:55
Speaker 4: we want, allegedly. And that it's just probably not going
18:00
Speaker 4: to happen, man.
18:01
Speaker 3: Which.
18:02
Speaker 4: Also leads credence to Kurtzman is not going to get
18:06
Speaker 4: a new deal or not renew his current deal. It's
18:09
Speaker 4: not for sure yet, but all signs are pointing towards
18:12
Speaker 4: that right now.
18:14
Speaker 1: Can I say something? Oh yeah, go for it, man.
18:20
Speaker 1: How often does a fan base of anything, besides just saying, hey,
18:24
Speaker 1: I want more. I'm a big Friends fan. I want
18:26
Speaker 1: more Friends. Or I'm a big NCIS fan. I want
18:29
Speaker 1: more NCIS.
18:30
Speaker 3: How often.
18:32
Speaker 1: does a franchise not only say, I want more of something,
18:35
Speaker 1: but the fan base gives you a clear roadmap on
18:42
Speaker 1: how to make it happen and have the showrunners go, yeah, no,
18:47
Speaker 1: we're not going to do that.
18:49
Speaker 4: Star Trek Legacy.
18:52
Speaker 3: Exactly.
18:53
Speaker 4: I know Dan doesn't like this comparison, but the allegory
18:58
Speaker 4: to pro wrestling and Star Trek If you follow both,
19:03
Speaker 4: they're right there. And it's crazy. WWE for a long time.
19:08
Speaker 1: Right now they have the same writers, I think. Right.
19:11
Speaker 4: WWE for a long time was just kind of doing
19:14
Speaker 4: whatever the hell they wanted. People would complain about it
19:16
Speaker 4: on the internet. And it got so bad that this
19:20
Speaker 4: billionaire named Tony Khan decided, well, I'm going to just
19:24
Speaker 4: do what the fans want. And he started his own
19:27
Speaker 4: promotion called AEW. Similarly... People complained on the Internet. They
19:32
Speaker 4: wanted a certain thing with Star Trek. And so this
19:35
Speaker 4: multimillionaire just said, well, I'm going to make my own
19:36
Speaker 4: Star Trek show and created the Orville.
19:39
Speaker 1: Right.
19:39
Speaker 4: Then fans love the Orville. They really liked what they
19:42
Speaker 4: were doing there. AEW, like people are loving it and
19:46
Speaker 4: it continues to grow. It's getting bigger and bigger internationally.
19:51
Speaker 4: and they're doing what the fans want. They're pretty responsive
19:55
Speaker 4: to what fans want and, and they're growing like crazy.
19:59
Speaker 4: Same with the Orville. Like they, they went from super
20:02
Speaker 4: jokey to getting more and more serious and more and
20:06
Speaker 4: more Star Trek like episodes. And it was great.
20:09
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know?
20:11
Speaker 4: So the allegory's there. It's not just Star Trek fans.
20:16
Speaker 4: You can go further along if you go into the
20:20
Speaker 4: similarities between the two fandoms, but they're there. They're there.
20:26
Speaker 1: But how long can showrunners ignore it before those showrunners
20:30
Speaker 1: get fired for not giving the fans what they want?
20:33
Speaker 4: Well, if it's wrestling, they can keep going. It doesn't matter.
20:36
Speaker 3: So, yeah.
20:38
Speaker 4: Similarly with Star Trek, as long as As long as
20:40
Speaker 4: they're still in the position, it's fine. But, you know,
20:44
Speaker 4: they signed long contracts. So that's the other thing.
20:46
Speaker 3: I think they also there comes a time I have
20:49
Speaker 3: to realize that this product that we have can be
20:54
Speaker 3: profitable at this scale. It's not profitable at this scale.
20:59
Speaker 1: Right.
20:59
Speaker 3: So we should stop trying to make it profitable at
21:03
Speaker 3: this scale. All of the things that you're changing to
21:05
Speaker 3: try and make it profitable at this scale are making
21:11
Speaker 3: it not likable by the people who are already into it,
21:15
Speaker 3: who already want to buy your product. I guess what
21:19
Speaker 3: I'm saying is, would you rather have strong sales at
21:22
Speaker 3: this scale or weak sales at this scale?
21:26
Speaker 1: There's also word of mouth, because you know there's one
21:28
Speaker 1: thing I'm not doing as a huge Star Trek fan
21:30
Speaker 1: that co-hosts a Star Trek podcast. I'm not telling all
21:33
Speaker 1: my friends, hey, you need to watch all the seasons
21:35
Speaker 1: of Stranger Worlds. Because I was saying that for Lower Decks.
21:39
Speaker 1: I was saying that for Strange New World season one
21:42
Speaker 1: and two, but I'm keeping my mouth shut with season
21:46
Speaker 1: three and four.
21:47
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if it's one thing that fans are,
21:51
Speaker 3: it's honest. When people ask me, if someone wants to
21:54
Speaker 3: get into Star Trek, I've gotten several people into Star
21:57
Speaker 3: Trek over the years. I don't tell them to start
22:02
Speaker 3: with the original series.
22:04
Speaker 1: Of course not. No way. No way.
22:06
Speaker 3: That's going to turn people off. That's absolutely going to
22:08
Speaker 3: turn a modern... person off um i don't tell them
22:12
Speaker 3: to start with tng season one yeah nope if they're
22:16
Speaker 3: starting tng it's season three yeah correct when the uniforms
22:20
Speaker 3: change yep and the and the beard is in full
22:23
Speaker 3: effect that's when they start i will sometimes say uh
22:27
Speaker 3: watch these two or three season one or season two
22:31
Speaker 3: episodes like the measure of a man measure or something
22:34
Speaker 3: like that um same thing with deep space nine I
22:38
Speaker 3: tell them, watch the pilot episode and then skip to
22:41
Speaker 3: when Worf shows up. That's all you need. That's all
22:46
Speaker 3: you need. And then I tell them, if you fall
22:49
Speaker 3: in love with the show and you want to go
22:51
Speaker 3: back afterwards and watch the others, that's fine. If you
22:56
Speaker 3: get to the end of Season 7 of TNG and
22:59
Speaker 3: you're about to watch All Good Things, watch Encounter at
23:03
Speaker 3: Farpoint first. Then watch All Good Things so that the
23:06
Speaker 3: show makes sense for you. But You know, you don't
23:09
Speaker 3: have to watch it all. I haven't told a single person.
23:14
Speaker 3: You have to watch Modern Trek other than Picard season three. Yeah,
23:19
Speaker 3: that's it.
23:20
Speaker 4: I recently told somebody start with season four of DS9,
23:24
Speaker 4: The Way of the Warrior.
23:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I do not have
23:30
Speaker 3: Robocop's gun. Do have Dr. McNamara. Oh, that's a villain.
23:36
Speaker 3: Same line. But I don't have the gun, but I
23:39
Speaker 3: will look.
23:40
Speaker 1: Okay. I will look.
23:41
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. It just, it just occurred to
23:43
Speaker 3: me talking about scaling and you can't be successful at
23:47
Speaker 3: this scale. You can't be successful at that scale. You know,
23:50
Speaker 3: it's no secret. I collect GI Joe's. Right. That, that
23:54
Speaker 3: franchise is in quite a lull right now. And they
23:59
Speaker 3: have done several relaunches over the years with varied levels
24:06
Speaker 3: of success. And, and what they, what they, a conclusion
24:11
Speaker 3: they came to somewhat recently in the last five or
24:13
Speaker 3: 10 years is we have a group of fans about
24:17
Speaker 3: this big. What do, what do those fans want? Well,
24:21
Speaker 3: they want figures like the original four inch O-ring ones
24:25
Speaker 3: they had when they were a kid and they want
24:29
Speaker 3: six inch highly detailed versions of those same characters, uh, similar.
24:35
Speaker 1: To Marvel legends.
24:36
Speaker 3: Guess what they're selling? They're selling those. They're selling those.
24:42
Speaker 3: And they're not selling as many of those as they're
24:46
Speaker 3: selling Paw Patrol.
24:51
Speaker 4: But they're profitable. Yeah.
24:56
Speaker 1: They're around. We all have them displayed prominently.
24:59
Speaker 3: I got the Ferengi bank. I'm looking at him across
25:03
Speaker 3: the room. Most of my stuff is in storage. I
25:06
Speaker 3: just happen to have these these things.
25:08
Speaker 4: I got a little lunchbox of Aura. And then I
25:12
Speaker 4: also got the Enterprise little lunchbox.
25:15
Speaker 1: Look at those blue eyes.
25:16
Speaker 4: There you go.
25:19
Speaker 3: Striking blue eyes.
25:22
Speaker 4: That's right. Show and tell on the internet.
25:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do show and tell.
25:27
Speaker 1: Speaking of blue eyes, I explained to everybody last week, Dan,
25:30
Speaker 1: when you were gone, why you always wear the sunglasses.
25:33
Speaker 3: Why is that?
25:34
Speaker 1: It's because when you gave your little video thing last week,
25:38
Speaker 1: you didn't have the sunglasses on.
25:40
Speaker 3: I realized that afterwards.
25:41
Speaker 1: And your piercing blue eyes. I couldn't take my eyes
25:45
Speaker 1: off of them.
25:46
Speaker 3: That's right.
25:46
Speaker 1: I was mesmerized by it.
25:47
Speaker 4: Blue eyes.
25:49
Speaker 1: My goodness.
25:51
Speaker 3: Danny's got blue eyes.
25:54
Speaker 4: Man, he's got pipes, too. Look at that.
25:57
Speaker 1: I printed it out, and it's going to hang on
26:00
Speaker 1: my wall.
26:01
Speaker 3: It's taped to the bedpost.
26:03
Speaker 4: That's right.
26:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's taped to the bedpost. Wow.
26:08
Speaker 4: I'm learning so much about you guys right now.
26:13
Speaker 1: Oh, thank God. I forgot to send a link to
26:15
Speaker 1: this to my mom. Oh, yeah.
26:17
Speaker 4: Oh, thank God. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, should we
26:22
Speaker 4: get to the main topic?
26:25
Speaker 3: Didn't we already do it? We already did it.
26:26
Speaker 1: Kind of.
26:27
Speaker 4: We already did it. Yeah, we're going to talk about lanterns.
26:30
Speaker 7: Yeah.
26:30
Speaker 4: All right.
26:31
Speaker 3: Fun will now commence.
26:36
Speaker 1: No seven.
26:37
Speaker 3: No.
26:37
Speaker 1: No.
26:38
Speaker 4: Okay, so, yeah, we're talking about season four, episode nine,
26:44
Speaker 4: one on at a time. This is the sequel to,
26:49
Speaker 4: what is it, the season one episode, Once Upon a Time.
26:53
Speaker 4: What was it called?
26:53
Speaker 3: I don't know.
26:54
Speaker 1: Whatever. Yeah.
26:55
Speaker 4: Yeah. It was in the recap. They made sure you remember.
27:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:02
Speaker 4: I will say this. As I first watched this episode,
27:05
Speaker 4: like the first five minutes, I was okay with it.
27:08
Speaker 4: And then it fell off a cliff hard. I guess
27:12
Speaker 4: that's a great question. At what point did you fall
27:15
Speaker 4: off the cliff with this episode? What made you go like,
27:18
Speaker 4: what is this bullshit? Where did it veer off for you?
27:20
Speaker 1: As soon as I knew it was going to be the...
27:22
Speaker 1: another episode of this is fantasy fairy tale. I, I
27:28
Speaker 1: am not a fan of fan. Um, I, and, and
27:31
Speaker 1: Star Trek for the most part has always been, you know,
27:34
Speaker 1: rooted in sci-fi, not fantasy. There are two separate genres. Now, yes, they've,
27:38
Speaker 1: they've delved into fantasy before. Um, but, uh, for the
27:43
Speaker 1: most part, Star Trek is a sci-fi series, a sci-fi franchise. Um,
27:46
Speaker 1: that was interesting. The, uh, you know, there were some
27:49
Speaker 1: interesting parts of it. Uh, number one and, uh, Yeah,
27:53
Speaker 1: having a romantic relationship, I thought one, and Erica. Wowzer.
27:59
Speaker 1: They certainly used a push-up dress for La'an in this episode.
28:03
Speaker 1: Good Lord. There were some interesting callbacks. And did anybody
28:08
Speaker 1: catch at the end? I know I'm jumping to the
28:10
Speaker 1: end of the episode, but Chief Engineer is gone.
28:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, they wrote her out.
28:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. No farewell. No fanfare. No goodbye.
28:18
Speaker 3: Nope.
28:19
Speaker 1: Just a one line, oh, by the way, Pele is
28:21
Speaker 1: going to stay with the other ship.
28:23
Speaker 4: Yep, she's gone. They said, we've only got six episodes left,
28:27
Speaker 4: so see you later.
28:29
Speaker 1: So for an over-the-top character, they gave her the most
28:31
Speaker 1: underwhelming goodbye, or no goodbye at all.
28:35
Speaker 3: I'm fine with it. Yeah.
28:37
Speaker 1: So, whatever. Yeah, I thought it was silly. I thought
28:42
Speaker 1: it was goofy, especially when Spock and Captain Hare decided
28:46
Speaker 1: to go to the ship as their own doppelgangers, and
28:48
Speaker 1: they tried to, you know... fit in, which was absolutely ridiculous.
28:54
Speaker 1: Getting drunk, going to the bridge. I don't understand why
28:58
Speaker 1: this episode was made. There wasn't a need for it.
29:01
Speaker 3: Because they wanted to have fun. It was probably a
29:05
Speaker 3: blast making it. It probably was.
29:06
Speaker 4: I don't doubt they had a lot of fun making it.
29:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a lot of fun making it. We
29:09
Speaker 3: didn't have a lot of fun watching it. Unfortunately, the
29:14
Speaker 3: purpose of the show is for us to have.
29:15
Speaker 1: Fun, not them. That's why they're getting paid. I feel
29:20
Speaker 1: like I should be getting paid.
29:22
Speaker 3: Yeah. So make it make sense. Why did this latter
29:27
Speaker 3: place exist? I'm confused. I know it's based on.
29:31
Speaker 1: Daniel, you're the story guy.
29:32
Speaker 3: I know it's based on the book that... Rekia? Is
29:37
Speaker 3: that her name?
29:38
Speaker 1: Mbenga's daughter? Explain it to us like we're Star Wars fans.
29:42
Speaker 3: Oh, shots fired. Wow. Well, okay, so.
29:47
Speaker 4: So it was like a group of aliens that recreated
29:50
Speaker 4: that storybook for Mbenga's daughter, right? Originally.
29:55
Speaker 3: I remember that.
29:57
Speaker 4: And so... from what I understood, they were just out
30:00
Speaker 4: there living their best life as the storybook character. Cause
30:03
Speaker 4: that's what those aliens do, I guess. And so they
30:07
Speaker 4: just came across the flat earth and it was storybook time. Um,
30:13
Speaker 4: which for me.
30:14
Speaker 3: What, yeah, but that doesn't make sense.
30:17
Speaker 4: Cause, Oh, I'm not saying it makes sense.
30:19
Speaker 3: I'm just saying my bank and bang. I never say
30:22
Speaker 3: it right. Yeah. Bank is character. There was no character
30:26
Speaker 3: in the, he played the character. So how is he
30:30
Speaker 3: there again as the character, but it's not him?
30:33
Speaker 5: Right.
30:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not saying any of this makes sense. I'm
30:36
Speaker 4: just saying this is the logic they gave us that
30:38
Speaker 4: did not make sense. And that's why so many people
30:40
Speaker 4: felt like it felt happenstance because there was no logic
30:46
Speaker 4: to it. There was no... So that's part of the
30:50
Speaker 4: thing in story structure, right? Things need to have a
30:53
Speaker 4: structure to them for you to care, right? Because if
30:56
Speaker 4: you give me a set of guidelines, then I know Well,
30:58
Speaker 4: if it falls out of those guidelines, things aren't making
31:01
Speaker 4: any sense anymore. And this is all bullshit.
31:03
Speaker 1: Right.
31:04
Speaker 4: So for me, the thing that that got me that
31:09
Speaker 4: almost immediately is when they scan the planet, they're like, oh,
31:13
Speaker 4: it's our storybook planet. And they're talking about whether or
31:16
Speaker 4: not they should go down and investigate. And Mbega talks
31:21
Speaker 4: about like, well, you know, Lon, you've been going through
31:24
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff emotionally. And that's what these aliens
31:27
Speaker 4: are there to do. I think you should go down to,
31:29
Speaker 4: like they literally say, a potentially dangerous planet, and you
31:33
Speaker 4: should go have group therapy.
31:35
Speaker 5: Yeah.
31:36
Speaker 3: What?
31:37
Speaker 4: What kind of medical logic is that?
31:39
Speaker 3: So are these, so the people that are down there
31:43
Speaker 3: that look like our crew, are they holograms? Are they aliens?
31:48
Speaker 3: Are they clones of the crew? What are they?
31:51
Speaker 4: We don't know. They don't tell us. They just hand
31:54
Speaker 4: wave that.
31:55
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately- That's not good enough.
31:59
Speaker 4: Exactly.
32:00
Speaker 3: Because if they're holograms, the transporter would have known that.
32:06
Speaker 4: And never brought those people aboard.
32:07
Speaker 3: And never brought them up. If they were aliens, the
32:10
Speaker 3: transporter would have known that and would have never brought
32:13
Speaker 3: them up. Right. If they're clones, if they're perfect duplicates
32:19
Speaker 3: of the people on our crew, and the aliens that
32:23
Speaker 3: created all this have the ability to do that, then
32:27
Speaker 3: Rekia could have just been cured four years ago. So
32:30
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense.
32:30
Speaker 4: None of it makes sense. That's the problem. The more...
32:33
Speaker 4: You just scratch the surface of the story. Makes no sense,
32:36
Speaker 4: you know? They just literally went, we have the costumes.
32:39
Speaker 4: We want to do a fantasy episode. Let's do it,
32:42
Speaker 4: you know? And I know people are pointing to the
32:45
Speaker 4: Q in Sherwood Forest episode. But you had Q, so
32:49
Speaker 4: that's what gave it the logic.
32:50
Speaker 7: Yeah.
32:51
Speaker 4: You know?
32:52
Speaker 1: He can do anything.
32:53
Speaker 4: A character we knew and liked.
32:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:54
Speaker 4: Well, not even that. Just, you know, he... his abilities
32:57
Speaker 4: gave you the reason to why it all worked the
32:59
Speaker 4: way it did.
32:59
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right.
33:01
Speaker 1: It rooted the fantasy in sci-fi.
33:04
Speaker 3: Right. Right.
33:06
Speaker 4: Whereas this just happened, you know, for no reason. If
33:09
Speaker 4: things just happen for no reason, it's, it's what I've
33:12
Speaker 4: told you guys before. What story structure, like things need
33:14
Speaker 4: to be there for this and then this, but if,
33:19
Speaker 4: but if it's just, and then this happens and then
33:21
Speaker 4: this happens and that happens, right. it's just a string
33:24
Speaker 4: of things that don't connect. And what do I care?
33:27
Speaker 1: Right.
33:27
Speaker 4: It's like when a little, little, little kids tell you
33:29
Speaker 4: stories and you're like, I don't know what any of
33:31
Speaker 4: this has to do with anything, buddy.
33:33
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
33:33
Speaker 4: There was a giraffe that all of a sudden you
33:35
Speaker 4: showed up down the street and now you want an
33:37
Speaker 4: ice cream.
33:37
Speaker 3: Right.
33:38
Speaker 4: It doesn't, it doesn't make any sense.
33:40
Speaker 1: Right.
33:40
Speaker 4: You know, but if I tell you, yeah, I tell
33:43
Speaker 4: you one of my car tires popped and then all
33:45
Speaker 4: of a sudden I swerved on the freeway and I
33:47
Speaker 4: hit another car. Well, that makes sense because therefore this,
33:49
Speaker 4: therefore this, therefore that, you know, you know, they.
33:52
Speaker 3: Could have done a story like this and there's ways,
33:56
Speaker 3: there's ways to do it. Um, this could have been,
33:59
Speaker 3: you could have had, okay, they, you know, there, there's
34:03
Speaker 3: a colony, there's a colony or something. They rescued people
34:06
Speaker 3: from this colony. Some kid on the, uh, on the planet,
34:10
Speaker 3: he's really injured. They got to get him to a
34:12
Speaker 3: star base, him or her star base. Uh, and Benga's is,
34:16
Speaker 3: is keeping this kid alive. Um, And the kid is like,
34:20
Speaker 3: am I going to die? No, you're not going to die.
34:22
Speaker 3: I'm afraid I'm going to die. Can you tell me
34:23
Speaker 3: a story? My dad used to tell me stories when
34:26
Speaker 3: I was scared, when I was scared and I'm really scared.
34:29
Speaker 3: And he says, I used to have a daughter your age.
34:31
Speaker 3: Let me tell you a story that I used to
34:33
Speaker 3: read to her. And bang, you're back in this world
34:37
Speaker 3: that we've seen before in the first season. And since
34:40
Speaker 3: he's telling a story, you can do whatever you want.
34:46
Speaker 3: None of it has to make sense in the end.
34:49
Speaker 3: Cause it's just a story. Yeah.
34:51
Speaker 4: That would have been great. And like, they're fighting the
34:53
Speaker 4: fear monster on that story. And so, yep. It dovetails
34:57
Speaker 4: into the original.
34:57
Speaker 3: You have, you have him narrating it.
34:59
Speaker 5: Yeah.
35:00
Speaker 3: Well, which is tough. He's difficult to understand, but you know,
35:03
Speaker 3: you try really hard to have him narrate it.
35:06
Speaker 5: Yeah.
35:06
Speaker 3: You know, he spends an extra week at post. That's right. Yeah.
35:10
Speaker 3: And you know, you can, you can, you can even,
35:14
Speaker 3: you can tell by his narrations, that he's changing the
35:18
Speaker 3: story as he goes to better suit the needs of
35:22
Speaker 3: this child, the fear that this child has right now.
35:25
Speaker 3: I would have totally bought that. That would have made sense.
35:28
Speaker 3: That would have made sense. Or the first part of
35:34
Speaker 3: the episode is a real away mission that they've been on.
35:38
Speaker 3: And then this story that he's telling the kid is
35:41
Speaker 3: the medieval equivalent of that. So he's telling the same story,
35:46
Speaker 3: but with, with swords and horses and wizardry instead of
35:51
Speaker 3: phasers and transporters and buffers and, and all of this stuff,
35:56
Speaker 3: a thousand percent better. Yeah, I do.
35:58
Speaker 4: I would have accepted. They met some other aliens who,
36:02
Speaker 4: you know, to them stories are precious. And so they
36:04
Speaker 4: got to tell them a story to make first contact
36:07
Speaker 4: go well, whatever, something, give me a reason for this.
36:12
Speaker 4: Not just, Hey, we're going to have you go do
36:14
Speaker 4: group therapy, uh, therapy lawn. It'll be fine. Go on
36:18
Speaker 4: that flat earth. We have no idea what's going to
36:19
Speaker 4: happen down there.
36:20
Speaker 3: Good luck.
36:20
Speaker 4: You know, it didn't make sense. It didn't make sense.
36:22
Speaker 1: That dress. That looks like a T-1000. Yeah. Grenade. Yup. Yup.
36:30
Speaker 4: They just took a bunch of tinfoil and said, wrap
36:32
Speaker 4: it around her.
36:33
Speaker 5: Yeah.
36:34
Speaker 8: Yeah.
36:35
Speaker 1: I half expected it to like, let's start screaming.
36:42
Speaker 3: And then it falls in the lava.
36:45
Speaker 4: Dude, when she turns into a dragon, flies out into space,
36:48
Speaker 4: fights the Enterprise, the dragons can survive in space, but
36:52
Speaker 4: the minute she turns back, that's a problem?
36:55
Speaker 1: The first thing that I said when she turned into
36:57
Speaker 1: a dragon, I was like, aw, she needs a donkey! Yeah!
37:02
Speaker 4: Oh, dude, I thought of Ultra Beast. Remember that game?
37:06
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah! Yeah, for Sega.
37:09
Speaker 4: Yeah. Ultra Beast. That's right. Gosh. Jacob, I love the
37:15
Speaker 4: Flat Earth. I bet the Flat Earthers loved it.
37:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
37:18
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did. See? See? See?
37:21
Speaker 1: It's real. It's real.
37:23
Speaker 3: It's real.
37:24
Speaker 4: Speaking of that, one of the- What did you think
37:26
Speaker 4: about when bringing up Benny Johnson?
37:28
Speaker 1: Russell. Benny Russell.
37:30
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
37:31
Speaker 1: He was the author of the book.
37:33
Speaker 5: Yeah.
37:33
Speaker 3: But he wrote sci-fi. He didn't write fantasy.
37:35
Speaker 4: Exactly.
37:36
Speaker 3: Like, so close, guys.
37:37
Speaker 4: You should have made a Jake.
37:38
Speaker 6: So close.
37:39
Speaker 4: Even though he's behind the times.
37:41
Speaker 1: So close.
37:42
Speaker 3: There were quite a few Princess Bride references. Somebody said
37:49
Speaker 3: As You Wish, which is a reference to that. Pele
37:52
Speaker 3: was in that movie. She was the wizard's wife. Miracle Max.
37:59
Speaker 3: They make reference to Miracle Max. This one's a deep cut.
38:02
Speaker 3: What was she eating at the time? She was talking
38:07
Speaker 3: about that. She was eating chocolates. In her scenes, they
38:10
Speaker 3: were creating the pill to bring Wesley back to life.
38:14
Speaker 3: And they coated it in chocolate because she said the
38:18
Speaker 3: chocolate coating makes it go down easier.
38:21
Speaker 4: That is a deep cut.
38:24
Speaker 3: That is a deep cut.
38:25
Speaker 4: You know what that deserves?
38:27
Speaker 3: Warning!
38:29
Speaker 1: Warning!
38:29
Speaker 4: Nerd alert!
38:31
Speaker 6: Nerd alert!
38:32
Speaker 4: 100%. Yeah. I didn't mind that it was a fantasy episode.
38:40
Speaker 4: What I mind is that it wasn't anything to it.
38:43
Speaker 4: It was just random bullshit.
38:45
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, so this was number nine. So we
38:48
Speaker 3: only have one more.
38:49
Speaker 4: We only got one more.
38:51
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to next week's episode. I think it's
38:53
Speaker 1: going to be a good one. Tomorrow's enterprise.
38:54
Speaker 3: I didn't, I didn't look at the preview.
38:57
Speaker 4: I didn't look at it either.
38:59
Speaker 1: Um, yeah, I haven't seen the preview. All I've done
39:02
Speaker 1: is read the synopsis.
39:03
Speaker 3: So I know sometimes, um, the last episode of a
39:07
Speaker 3: season of a show, um, is sometimes is a shift
39:13
Speaker 3: in what's happening to prepare the viewer for a different
39:17
Speaker 3: direction for the next season star trek often did cliffhanger
39:22
Speaker 3: uh modern trek does cliffhanger did cliffhanger episodes yeah yeah
39:28
Speaker 3: for the season finale so I'm hoping, I'm hoping that's
39:33
Speaker 3: what we get.
39:34
Speaker 4: I mean, they shot season four and five basically back
39:36
Speaker 4: to back.
39:37
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and they're talking about next season is not
39:40
Speaker 3: like this season. So I'm right. That's okay. Well, give
39:46
Speaker 3: me a little bit of next season, this season right now. please.
39:50
Speaker 4: I've also heard though reports that season five is full
39:54
Speaker 4: of big swings. So people are just guessing everything right now.
39:58
Speaker 1: So do you think the right, like when they took
40:01
Speaker 1: a big swing with like the crossover episode and they,
40:05
Speaker 1: they knocked it out of the park, do you think
40:07
Speaker 1: they were like, Oh, let's just do that. You know,
40:09
Speaker 1: when they did the lower decks crossover episode, which was
40:11
Speaker 1: a little silly, they're like, Oh, let's just, let's go
40:14
Speaker 1: for sillier and sillier. You know?
40:16
Speaker 4: So I was thinking about this, like, What made them go, oh,
40:20
Speaker 4: let's do a whole season of gimmicks. This is the way.
40:22
Speaker 4: I really think, and I have no proof of this.
40:26
Speaker 4: I have no inside information or anything. But I really
40:30
Speaker 4: think they saw the success of WandaVision. And WandaVision was
40:35
Speaker 4: doing different eras of TV every week. And they went, oh,
40:43
Speaker 4: people like that.
40:45
Speaker 3: Let's do stuff. But that made sense for the story
40:48
Speaker 3: that WandaVision was telling.
40:49
Speaker 4: That's the difference.
40:51
Speaker 3: I remember watching that show in real time, and as
40:55
Speaker 3: all that was happening, I was like, what are they doing?
40:58
Speaker 3: What the hell are they doing? And then in the end,
41:01
Speaker 3: you find out that watching those shows was her escape
41:07
Speaker 3: from living in a war-torn society. So that, in her mind,
41:11
Speaker 3: that's what a perfect life looks like. She had the
41:17
Speaker 3: opportunity to recreate her own existence from the ground up.
41:20
Speaker 3: That's the templates that she used. It made sense for
41:24
Speaker 3: the story.
41:25
Speaker 4: But not only that, even as the different TV eras
41:28
Speaker 4: were going, the complexity of her emotions changed, right? So
41:32
Speaker 4: from the 50s style, it was very simple. Is she
41:34
Speaker 4: really happy? Yes or no? So then you find out
41:38
Speaker 4: she's not really happy. Then the 60s one, right, where
41:42
Speaker 4: it's a little more brightly colored, it's a little more,
41:44
Speaker 4: you know, what is it, Brady Bunch, and you find
41:49
Speaker 4: out deeper about her emotions and what's going on. So
41:52
Speaker 4: the further it goes, the deeper her emotions go, and
41:54
Speaker 4: the more you find out how troubled she really is, right?
41:58
Speaker 4: And that's what was going on and made it connect.
42:01
Speaker 4: That's what made it interesting. These are all just random
42:04
Speaker 4: things just to do random things, and they didn't learn
42:07
Speaker 4: that lesson from WandaVision. That's what I'm guessing. Like, I
42:10
Speaker 4: literally think they were in the writer's room and said, well,
42:13
Speaker 4: let's do our own WandaVision. That was possible.
42:14
Speaker 1: Speaking of writer's room, has the writing staff changed, you know?
42:19
Speaker 4: I don't know. I know the show producers are pretty consistent.
42:24
Speaker 1: Maybe this is successful. Have they actually taken the writers from,
42:27
Speaker 1: you know, because I remember us. Oh, it was. OK,
42:32
Speaker 1: there was a CBS did something like 15 years ago.
42:37
Speaker 1: They took the writers from Two and a Half Men
42:41
Speaker 1: and the writers from CSI, and they had them write
42:46
Speaker 1: an episode for each other.
42:47
Speaker 3: Oh, did they?
42:48
Speaker 1: Yes, they did. Yes, they did. And both were decent episodes.
42:54
Speaker 1: The NCIS episode was a little comedic, and the Two
42:59
Speaker 1: and a Half Men episode was just a regular episode
43:01
Speaker 1: of Two and a Half Men. And they just did
43:03
Speaker 1: it just for the hell of it. And I'm wondering,
43:06
Speaker 1: has there been a shift in writers? Did the producers
43:11
Speaker 1: at Kurtzman see a writing group that he liked and
43:15
Speaker 1: grabbed them? There's got to be a reason for this.
43:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I do know this, right? Every year, Paramount
43:24
Speaker 4: does what they call a Writer's Fellowship. I know this
43:27
Speaker 4: because I was going to apply to it, but ultimately
43:30
Speaker 4: I decided I want to do film, not TV, so
43:33
Speaker 4: I didn't go for it. But the way it works is,
43:36
Speaker 4: You have to write two writing samples, right? The first
43:40
Speaker 4: writing sample has to be what they call a stunt
43:45
Speaker 4: script for any one of their current shows. You pick
43:49
Speaker 4: whatever their current show is that you like, and you
43:52
Speaker 4: write a script in that show style. Then you have
43:54
Speaker 4: to give them your own original pilot for a TV series.
43:59
Speaker 4: And so you walk in with two, with two writing samples,
44:03
Speaker 4: one to show that you can write, but two to show,
44:05
Speaker 4: you know, you can write their style as well. So
44:08
Speaker 4: on the list.
44:08
Speaker 3: So he's an orangutan, but he's also a dentist. That's right.
44:12
Speaker 4: That's right. That's right.
44:15
Speaker 1: Yes.
44:15
Speaker 4: Top hat monkey goes West. Here we go.
44:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
44:20
Speaker 4: So, so the strange new worlds was on the list.
44:22
Speaker 1: Right.
44:23
Speaker 4: And, and you could write one of their episodes. And
44:26
Speaker 4: so the idea is, you know, You show you can write,
44:30
Speaker 4: and maybe you can write on this episode. Throughout the fellowship,
44:35
Speaker 4: you're learning to write in the Paramount style, and maybe
44:38
Speaker 4: you will be brought on board for that show that
44:41
Speaker 4: you showed interest. So maybe they're getting writers out of
44:45
Speaker 4: that because ultimately they pick between 12 to 14 writers
44:49
Speaker 4: and they put them in that fellowship. That's every year,
44:51
Speaker 4: and that's where they get some new blood. But, you know,
44:55
Speaker 4: they change out writers all the time too, like in
44:57
Speaker 4: any show.
44:57
Speaker 7: Yeah.
44:58
Speaker 4: You know, it's also what we talked about before. We're like, oh,
45:01
Speaker 4: what color do you want your house painted? Well, that's
45:03
Speaker 4: going to look ugly, but whatever. We're going to paint
45:05
Speaker 4: it whatever, you know, the main guy says. It's the
45:07
Speaker 4: showrunners that matter more than the actual writers.
45:09
Speaker 7: Yeah.
45:10
Speaker 4: Because the showrunners will read a script, and if they
45:13
Speaker 4: like it or not, they may even change a few
45:15
Speaker 4: things depending on what they want. And ultimately, it's going
45:18
Speaker 4: to be whatever the showrunner wants.
45:19
Speaker 3: Yeah.
45:19
Speaker 1: We're just so down because one of the worst emotions
45:22
Speaker 1: that a person can have is being disappointed.
45:25
Speaker 3: Yeah.
45:26
Speaker 4: And that's what all of us are.
45:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
45:27
Speaker 4: We're not even mad, we're just disappointed.
45:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just disappointed. I mean, you know, when you
45:31
Speaker 1: look at your kid and you're like, I'm not mad,
45:33
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed, the look of, like, you know, sheer.
45:37
Speaker 4: Horror on their face is even worse.
45:40
Speaker 1: I just want to go up to Paramount and say, listen,
45:42
Speaker 1: I'm not mad, you're making track, I'm just very disappointed.
45:45
Speaker 1: What were you going to say, Dan? I don't like
45:47
Speaker 1: your friends like Alex Kersman.
45:50
Speaker 3: I think when Dr. Orangutan DDS comes out, you won't
45:53
Speaker 3: be disappointed. No, no, but yeah.
45:57
Speaker 4: I've got the infograph of how this season has been received,
46:03
Speaker 4: and it's been pretty bad.
46:05
Speaker 3: It's a 6.2.
46:06
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no episode over 9, right? They're all 8s,
46:14
Speaker 4: the 3 that have been higher up.
46:16
Speaker 1: Well, what's scary about this graph is if you extrapolate
46:19
Speaker 1: into next year based on the fact that these seasons
46:22
Speaker 1: were shot back-to-back, Yeah. I mean, it might as well
46:25
Speaker 1: just be an extension. Those six episodes might as well
46:27
Speaker 1: be an extension of season four, you know.
46:30
Speaker 4: I just saw it, Dan.
46:32
Speaker 3: Put it up. Put it up.
46:33
Speaker 4: I'm going to. I'm going to.
46:35
Speaker 3: Coming this fall from CBS. Yeah. Available also on Paramount +.
46:42
Speaker 3: Here it is.
46:43
Speaker 4: This is great.
46:43
Speaker 3: Dr. Orangutan, DDS.
46:46
Speaker 6: Yes.
46:47
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
46:52
Speaker 4: I can't wait to write this show. And the thing is,
46:56
Speaker 4: you would think comedy, but it's actually a drama.
46:58
Speaker 3: It is a drama. It is a drama.
47:01
Speaker 1: It's a drama.
47:04
Speaker 4: Why do I feel like the orangutan needs to speak
47:07
Speaker 4: in a British accent? Even though that makes no sense.
47:13
Speaker 3: He's dead, Jim.
47:19
Speaker 4: Just in dental work.
47:20
Speaker 3: Oh, he's dead now.
47:23
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
47:24
Speaker 4: Yeah. This episode was rough, man.
47:27
Speaker 1: Well, at least when this is over, we have another
47:30
Speaker 1: season to look forward to.
47:32
Speaker 4: Looking forward.
47:33
Speaker 1: All the other Star Trek that's coming out. Oh, wait.
47:35
Speaker 4: I mean, we got Starfleet Academy and one more season.
47:39
Speaker 1: That may or may not come out. Yeah.
47:41
Speaker 4: Oh, it'll come out. They spent way too much money.
47:43
Speaker 4: They're going to unleash that.
47:45
Speaker 3: Do I have to?
47:46
Speaker 4: You know what I could see, though, with Starfleet Academy
47:49
Speaker 4: is they're going.
47:50
Speaker 1: To dump it all at once. Straight to VHS.
47:53
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Well, okay.
47:56
Speaker 1: VHS. Yeah.
47:58
Speaker 3: People are like, I can't even watch it. Exactly. Exactly.
48:03
Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw, but they released that
48:07
Speaker 4: Golden Axe show, which is by the same showrunner as
48:10
Speaker 4: Lower Decks, Mike Mahon.
48:11
Speaker 3: Okay.
48:12
Speaker 4: And they unleashed all the episodes all at once. It's
48:15
Speaker 4: not a week to a week.
48:15
Speaker 3: Where is that?
48:16
Speaker 1: Golden Axe. On Paramount +. Based on the video game?
48:19
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, we asked for Altered Beast. They gave
48:22
Speaker 3: us Golden Axe.
48:23
Speaker 4: That's right. That's right.
48:24
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
48:26
Speaker 4: I watched the first episode. It's fine. It's Lower Decks,
48:30
Speaker 4: but fantasy.
48:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
48:32
Speaker 3: When does Echo the Dolphin come out?
48:35
Speaker 1: Yes.
48:36
Speaker 4: I was waiting for ToeJam & Earl, but you know.
48:39
Speaker 3: ToeJam & Earl.
48:43
Speaker 1: Wow.
48:43
Speaker 3: Alex Kidd in Miracle World.
48:45
Speaker 4: That's right. King Chameleon.
48:48
Speaker 3: Wonder Boy in Monsterland.
48:50
Speaker 4: There you go. There you go.
48:51
Speaker 1: Jack and Dexter. Oh, yeah.
48:53
Speaker 4: All the obscure titles.
48:55
Speaker 3: Ho-Jam and Earl.
48:57
Speaker 4: Oh, God. Yeah. What do we think about Kirk turning
49:00
Speaker 4: into a werewolf?
49:01
Speaker 1: I thought the effects were pretty good. I kept thinking,
49:04
Speaker 1: you know, this is better than anything Once Upon a
49:06
Speaker 1: Time ever had.
49:07
Speaker 3: Well, they already had the VR template from Altered Beast.
49:12
Speaker 1: Right. So they probably just ported it over. They just
49:14
Speaker 1: ported it over.
49:15
Speaker 4: I legit thought, oh, it was Paul Wesley on the...
49:19
Speaker 4: on the teen wolf show now to look it up
49:22
Speaker 4: no he was on the vampire diaries so it wasn't
49:24
Speaker 4: even a callback to that.
49:25
Speaker 1: Yeah right well and you know the with the visual
49:28
Speaker 1: effects i was watching an episode of uh stewart fails
49:31
Speaker 1: to save the universe and in the opening sequence, um,
49:36
Speaker 1: it's just a bunch of the writers giving messages to
49:39
Speaker 1: the viewers and, and they're like, uh, in, in one
49:42
Speaker 1: of them, like season in, in, uh, episode three or four,
49:46
Speaker 1: it says our, our visual effects are pretty good, but
49:49
Speaker 1: then again, any kid with an iPhone can do what
49:51
Speaker 1: we're doing.
49:52
Speaker 3: Right.
49:53
Speaker 1: Right.
49:54
Speaker 4: Yeah.
49:54
Speaker 3: I haven't watched that. Is it worth watching?
49:57
Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's horrible. It's absolutely worth watching.
50:00
Speaker 4: It's like I said, man, the fact that they went
50:02
Speaker 4: into a studio and said, give us millions of dollars
50:05
Speaker 4: to make this bullshit. And they went, yup. And they went,
50:07
Speaker 4: that's the amazing thing about the show.
50:09
Speaker 3: Well, apparently, uh, uh, the, the golden age flash was
50:15
Speaker 3: in the episode this week. He was fighting a Batman villain,
50:18
Speaker 3: but right. I, I heard that too.
50:20
Speaker 1: I haven't, uh, I haven't seen that episode yet, but yeah.
50:23
Speaker 4: I saw like episode seven and it felt like it
50:25
Speaker 4: was like the season one ender. I was like, Oh,
50:28
Speaker 4: I guess we're done now.
50:28
Speaker 1: We watched through episode four so far. We went to a,
50:31
Speaker 1: that's fun. You know?
50:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
50:33
Speaker 1: It's lower deck sliders, basically. Yeah. Yeah, it is.
50:37
Speaker 4: It's dumb sliders. That's all it is.
50:39
Speaker 5: Yep.
50:40
Speaker 1: It's dumb sliders.
50:41
Speaker 3: Yeah.
50:41
Speaker 4: When you get to the cow planet, it's really... Oh, boy.
50:46
Speaker 3: Okay.
50:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just watched the Bernadette is a demon episode.
50:51
Speaker 1: And one episode after that. The insane asylum. It's good.
50:55
Speaker 3: So, is it kid-friendly?
50:56
Speaker 4: Ish. There's some stuff that... Like, when they go to
50:59
Speaker 4: the tribe and they're... all about hooking up with other people.
51:03
Speaker 1: There are backgrounds where the bodies are exploding, but it's
51:07
Speaker 1: in the background. They show it from inside a room.
51:11
Speaker 4: Maybe they don't do anything full on, but they talk
51:14
Speaker 4: about it.
51:15
Speaker 1: My recommendations for watching shows this week are Reacher and
51:21
Speaker 1: Ted Lasso.
51:24
Speaker 4: I recommend go touch grass. Go outside and enjoy it.
51:27
Speaker 3: I did five hours of yard work yesterday. You touched
51:30
Speaker 3: a lot of grass. I touched enough grass. Yeah. My
51:33
Speaker 3: body's killing me right now. Okay.
51:35
Speaker 4: Well, let's get to listener feedback because we got people
51:38
Speaker 4: already waiting. Listener feedback.
51:43
Speaker 5: All right.
51:44
Speaker 3: So, yeah.
51:45
Speaker 1: If you want to send us an email, which I
51:46
Speaker 1: have one. Oh, yeah. You can email us at trekcasttng
51:51
Speaker 1: at gmail.com. Or you can send one to me at strongbeard1701.
51:59
Speaker 1: at gmail.com.
52:02
Speaker 4: We're also all over the social medias at Trek cast
52:05
Speaker 4: TNG and, uh, yeah, everywhere.
52:09
Speaker 1: Um, so we got, uh, I got an email from, uh,
52:12
Speaker 1: Tim in Australia. Oh, okay. Now it's, it's, it's sort
52:16
Speaker 1: of on the political side, but since we already touched
52:19
Speaker 1: on the political side, he said we can read it
52:21
Speaker 1: or not. It doesn't matter. He said, uh, he says,
52:23
Speaker 1: maybe I'm seeing this from a living outside the U
52:26
Speaker 1: S looking in point of view. I know you guys
52:29
Speaker 1: don't get into real-world politics on the show. Leave that
52:32
Speaker 1: to the political podcast. So up to you if you
52:34
Speaker 1: want to read this. But maybe the writers were trying
52:36
Speaker 1: to send a message in the last episode, the subplot
52:39
Speaker 1: where a cowardly idiot gets put in charge, helped by
52:43
Speaker 1: someone who pulls the wool over people's eyes, and everyone
52:46
Speaker 1: blindly follows him because he's in charge.
52:49
Speaker 3: Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.
52:50
Speaker 1: It's got a certain real-world feel right now.
52:53
Speaker 4: I feel like that's reaching.
52:56
Speaker 3: I think sometimes people see what they want to see.
52:58
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
52:59
Speaker 4: And that's a common trope in literature, too. The cowardly
53:02
Speaker 4: leader that's being manipulated. Like, that's even in Lord of
53:05
Speaker 4: the Rings. Like, the guy that's being controlled by Wormtongue
53:09
Speaker 4: and all that.
53:10
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
53:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
53:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a common trope. We got a voicemail.
53:16
Speaker 4: The Penguin is back.
53:17
Speaker 1: Yay. Yeah.
53:19
Speaker 8: The latest episode of Star Trek. Okay, it is what
53:24
Speaker 8: it is. Production, amazing. Costumes, amazing. Pike and Spock's characters,
53:34
Speaker 8: fucking hilarious. But like I said, this would have been
53:37
Speaker 8: the perfect Trillian episode.
53:39
Speaker 7: Yeah.
53:40
Speaker 1: Yep.
53:40
Speaker 8: But it didn't go that way. But production, the acting
53:44
Speaker 8: stuff were great. Yeah, it just didn't mean anything to
53:48
Speaker 8: me anyway. But oh well, this episode looks great.
53:53
Speaker 4: He's had enough of this.
53:55
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the opposite of what made Star
53:59
Speaker 3: Trek great. TOS looks like ass. It looked like ass
54:04
Speaker 3: in 1960s. But the writing was good and the stories
54:08
Speaker 3: were good. So we were okay with it. You flip that,
54:13
Speaker 3: you know, the reciprocal of that. It looks great, but it's,
54:15
Speaker 3: you know, the story's no good. It's not enough.
54:19
Speaker 1: The dog in it was actually Christina Chong's own personal puppy.
54:25
Speaker 4: Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's her actual dog.
54:26
Speaker 1: Named Ewok.
54:28
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
54:29
Speaker 3: Okay.
54:30
Speaker 4: And if you want to leave us a voicemail, you can. 570-661-0001.
54:36
Speaker 4: That's 570-661-0001. And I, too, will turn you into a
54:42
Speaker 4: weird little creature and put you on the show. That's right.
54:45
Speaker 3: So... That's right.
54:46
Speaker 4: There you go.
54:47
Speaker 1: That's basically how I got my start in TrekCast.
54:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
54:50
Speaker 3: Yeah.
54:51
Speaker 4: You would get us the... I forget their names.
54:55
Speaker 1: The Packlets. Yeah, the Packlets.
54:56
Speaker 4: The Packlets, yeah. Oh, I would love to hear their
54:59
Speaker 4: review for this season.
55:00
Speaker 1: You know what? It might be coming. It might be coming.
55:04
Speaker 3: Best yet.
55:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:09
Speaker 1: I do a good impersonation of my friend.
55:11
Speaker 4: That's right. At least next week we get to see
55:15
Speaker 4: our predictions and how they went. Alright, we got Chaz
55:22
Speaker 4: and Jacob waiting on the line, so let's bring on,
55:24
Speaker 4: we'll do one at a time. Let's bring on Jacob
55:27
Speaker 4: first since he chimed in first. There we go, there's Jacob.
55:31
Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on?
55:32
Speaker 5: Hey, what's going on?
55:34
Speaker 4: You got that low angle like you're about to do
55:36
Speaker 4: a rap video.
55:38
Speaker 5: Nah, Batman day from yesterday.
55:41
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there you go.
55:43
Speaker 5: I'm trying to recover from that episode.
55:46
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah. Since you got Batman day. Who's your favorite Robin?
55:51
Speaker 5: The cartoons.
55:51
Speaker 4: Okay, the cartoons.
55:53
Speaker 3: Okay.
55:53
Speaker 5: The cartoon version. There hasn't really been a good Robin
55:56
Speaker 5: live action.
55:57
Speaker 4: Okay.
55:58
Speaker 5: Honestly, Robin from Titans. Probably the best one. Because you
56:02
Speaker 5: get to see him become Nightwing later on.
56:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
56:04
Speaker 5: And that Nightwing suit was just beautiful.
56:07
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a good suit.
56:08
Speaker 1: Titan. You talking about the live action one? Yeah.
56:11
Speaker 5: Yeah, on Max.
56:13
Speaker 1: Got canceled after season four. Yep, I like that. I
56:17
Speaker 1: like that too.
56:18
Speaker 3: Yeah.
56:18
Speaker 5: You got to see Red Hood. You got to see
56:20
Speaker 5: all the Robins all together. That was pretty awesome. But
56:24
Speaker 5: I will say this. Nemesis is better than this season.
56:28
Speaker 4: That's rough.
56:30
Speaker 1: I agree. That's a bold statement.
56:33
Speaker 4: Perhaps we judged Nemesis too harshly.
56:38
Speaker 5: Perhaps the judge of the Enterprise would be too harsh.
56:41
Speaker 5: At least they explained it. It actually was a better writing.
56:45
Speaker 4: What was your favorite part of this episode? Did you
56:47
Speaker 4: have a favorite part?
56:50
Speaker 5: I really didn't have a favorite part. I liked the
56:52
Speaker 5: dragons thing, but I kept thinking dragons can breathe in
56:55
Speaker 5: fire and space.
56:58
Speaker 3: Can they fly in space? They have wings. Wings work
57:03
Speaker 3: with aerodynamics.
57:05
Speaker 1: They're magic. Because you notice that fake Pike and Spock's
57:11
Speaker 1: magic worked on the ship.
57:16
Speaker 5: I kept thinking, is this Dungeons and Dragons, City of Thieves.
57:20
Speaker 5: That's what I kept thinking. Chris Pine was in that movie,
57:24
Speaker 5: so I kept thinking.
57:25
Speaker 4: Dungeons and Dragons.
57:28
Speaker 1: Sure felt like that.
57:31
Speaker 5: They might as well do a cartoon episode, like Lower
57:33
Speaker 5: Decks style, because they were cartoons before.
57:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, they might as well.
57:37
Speaker 5: Did they even explain how they came back from being cartoons?
57:40
Speaker 4: No, it just was a thing.
57:42
Speaker 5: That's what I kept wondering throughout the whole crossover. How
57:44
Speaker 5: did they come back as humans again?
57:47
Speaker 1: Reality. The drug war off that they were on?
57:51
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, maybe.
57:52
Speaker 5: See, that would have been a good full episode instead
57:54
Speaker 5: of this.
57:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
57:56
Speaker 4: I see Jasmine nodding to that. He's like, yep, totally
57:59
Speaker 4: would have been.
58:01
Speaker 3: Yep.
58:02
Speaker 1: Are you looking forward to next week's episode?
58:04
Speaker 3: I hope so.
58:04
Speaker 4: Or do you just want it to end?
58:06
Speaker 5: I'm just ready for this to end. Make it stop.
58:10
Speaker 5: Make it stop. I'm going to re-watch Lanterns just to
58:13
Speaker 5: forget about this.
58:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say, are you watching Lanterns?
58:15
Speaker 4: Because that's pretty great.
58:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've watched Strange New Worlds, and then
58:21
Speaker 5: I'll watch the new episode of The Lanterns, just so
58:23
Speaker 5: I can recover from whatever terrible episode we're watching.
58:26
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm looking forward to Lanterns tonight. I'm so excited.
58:28
Speaker 5: How many episodes in this season?
58:29
Speaker 4: Three more. We're almost done.
58:31
Speaker 5: Oh, man. Each episode just gets better and better and better.
58:35
Speaker 5: Star Trek needs to learn from this.
58:36
Speaker 4: I was thinking about it. If you were going to
58:40
Speaker 4: reboot Star Trek, because that's clearly what they're going to
58:42
Speaker 4: have to do.
58:42
Speaker 3: At this point.
58:43
Speaker 5: Again, no.
58:44
Speaker 4: Yeah what do you what are you inspired by are
58:46
Speaker 4: you inspired by old trek are you listening to that.
58:48
Speaker 5: My my thought about old trek see i okay.
58:51
Speaker 4: I think that's that's the gut but i think really
58:55
Speaker 4: you got to be inspired by black mirror because black
58:59
Speaker 4: mirror did all sorts of really interesting stories that had
59:02
Speaker 4: all sorts of different like uh philosophical and ethical questions
59:08
Speaker 4: and so i think black mirror needs to be your inspiration.
59:13
Speaker 5: I've never seen TOS all the way through. I've only
59:15
Speaker 5: got a handful of favorite episodes. Since we finished Starfleet Academy,
59:20
Speaker 5: about to finish this season, I'm almost willing to torture
59:22
Speaker 5: myself through TOS.
59:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
59:25
Speaker 5: I mean, why not at this point?
59:27
Speaker 4: Couldn't be any worse.
59:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're still like halfway through season two. We haven't
59:31
Speaker 1: watched an episode in like six months.
59:33
Speaker 4: Yeah.
59:35
Speaker 5: I get to the gore episode. I get to the
59:39
Speaker 5: gore episode and I'm just like skit, skit, skit, skit, skit.
59:42
Speaker 5: Tomorrow's going to be fine. Yeah, that's just my two cents.
59:48
Speaker 3: Okay.
59:49
Speaker 4: Well, thanks for being here, Jacob.
59:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, Jacob.
59:53
Speaker 5: Good to see you.
59:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, you too, buddy.
59:55
Speaker 3: All right.
59:56
Speaker 4: We also got Chaz who's on the line back in
59:58
Speaker 4: the Celestial Temple once again. There he is. Yeah, it's real.
1:00:02
Speaker 3: It's real.
1:00:03
Speaker 6: They brought back Benny Russell for us.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
1:00:07
Speaker 4: Did you hear the heartbeat? What did you think of
1:00:11
Speaker 4: the episode?
1:00:11
Speaker 3: Oh, man.
1:00:12
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:00:13
Speaker 6: It took me a few tries.
1:00:15
Speaker 4: Oh, really? That bad?
1:00:17
Speaker 6: Well, I watched it. I had it playing, but I
1:00:20
Speaker 6: played on my phone. And so I completely missed the
1:00:24
Speaker 6: middle plot, like what happened. So we played it last
1:00:27
Speaker 6: night and I was like, oh, okay. That's why Kirk was.
1:00:33
Speaker 3: It's tough to get through it sometimes because you see
1:00:38
Speaker 3: all of these little different colored people need to get
1:00:40
Speaker 3: on these different colored buses and you have to put
1:00:42
Speaker 3: them on the bus in the right order. And if
1:00:44
Speaker 3: you don't put them on the bus in the right order,
1:00:47
Speaker 3: in the end, some people don't get on the bus
1:00:50
Speaker 3: and then they can't get to the place that they
1:00:52
Speaker 3: need to go and you lose.
1:00:54
Speaker 1: So, I mean.
1:00:55
Speaker 3: What's the guy going to do?
1:00:57
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:00:58
Speaker 6: I was playing Star Trek Fleet Command. I was doing
1:01:02
Speaker 6: something Star Trek in the meantime.
1:01:05
Speaker 3: Sorry. All little people need to get on the correct
1:01:07
Speaker 3: color show.
1:01:07
Speaker 1: I'm crushing candy.
1:01:09
Speaker 6: You're crushing candy.
1:01:11
Speaker 3: I'm about to crush an omelet upstairs. That's what that
1:01:15
Speaker 3: text was.
1:01:16
Speaker 1: I smell one being cooked right now.
1:01:20
Speaker 3: This show is cooked. I'm smelling that.
1:01:22
Speaker 1: Worst episode ever. Yeah.
1:01:27
Speaker 6: Well, what was it? There was the episode where the
1:01:31
Speaker 6: doctor goes to pay a wolf, right? It was like heroes.
1:01:35
Speaker 1: What is it? Oh, yeah.
1:01:37
Speaker 6: Heroes and demons on the first season of Voyager.
1:01:41
Speaker 4: Yep.
1:01:42
Speaker 6: And, you know, that one. It made sense because Harry
1:01:45
Speaker 6: Kim's Law and then they got to act out Beowulf
1:01:48
Speaker 6: and all that. And this is what the whole episode
1:01:50
Speaker 6: kind of reminded me of.
1:01:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's the problem.
1:01:53
Speaker 1: They don't have a holodeck, so they don't have a
1:01:54
Speaker 1: basis for these stories.
1:01:56
Speaker 6: And that's the thing is they want to play on
1:01:58
Speaker 6: the holodeck, but the problem is they did a prequel
1:02:00
Speaker 6: and they're in the wrong era. And they need to
1:02:02
Speaker 6: quit doing prequels.
1:02:04
Speaker 4: But they're in Shackleton Canyon. They can do whatever the
1:02:07
Speaker 4: hell they want. They can make a proto-holodeck. They did that.
1:02:11
Speaker 1: They did that already.
1:02:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then they boxed it up and put it
1:02:15
Speaker 3: in the closet.
1:02:16
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
1:02:17
Speaker 6: Then they boxed it up and put it in the closet.
1:02:20
Speaker 1: Also, wasn't there a Discovery episode where they showed them
1:02:22
Speaker 1: on a holodeck?
1:02:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, doing training.
1:02:26
Speaker 1: They showed the Enterprise crew on the holodeck training. Okay.
1:02:31
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:02:32
Speaker 6: But they made that archaic, though. It made more sense
1:02:35
Speaker 6: on that one, I thought.
1:02:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:02:37
Speaker 1: They didn't make it.
1:02:37
Speaker 6: Where you could play out as characters, as D & D,
1:02:41
Speaker 6: or whatever.
1:02:42
Speaker 4: Jacob wants to know if any of you all play
1:02:43
Speaker 4: Star Trek Online.
1:02:45
Speaker 3: I have a lifetime membership that I haven't logged into
1:02:48
Speaker 3: in about 15 years.
1:02:49
Speaker 4: There you go.
1:02:50
Speaker 3: At some point, I... Your character's just standing in the start.
1:02:54
Speaker 6: It's like, go.
1:02:56
Speaker 3: It's been so long. It's been so long. If I
1:02:59
Speaker 3: logged in right now, my characters would... You know, sometimes
1:03:03
Speaker 3: in those games, when they update the character... creation yeah
1:03:07
Speaker 3: matrix and then you log in it's like everything's all
1:03:10
Speaker 3: weird yeah like yeah so my guy.
1:03:13
Speaker 6: Or your account your account's been scrubbed you don't exist
1:03:16
Speaker 6: you have to put in a whole new password and
1:03:18
Speaker 6: everything perhaps you've been idle too long so yeah sometimes
1:03:23
Speaker 6: they do that.
1:03:23
Speaker 3: Too yeah but i'll log in and it'll look crazy
1:03:26
Speaker 3: it'll be like a klingon wearing a skirt or something
1:03:28
Speaker 3: yeah oh wait yeah no never mind never mind i
1:03:31
Speaker 3: was gonna say that's totally normal you got jaded now so.
1:03:36
Speaker 4: So, Jasmine, are you watching Lanterns?
1:03:39
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm watching Lanterns. Last week was better. We didn't
1:03:42
Speaker 6: paint anybody naked, you know.
1:03:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say it was worse because we didn't
1:03:47
Speaker 4: paint anybody naked. Are you going to get the Guile
1:03:53
Speaker 4: popcorn bucket?
1:03:55
Speaker 6: Oh, man, that popcorn bucket looks pretty interesting.
1:03:57
Speaker 4: You guys see this? What's that? The Street Fighter popcorn
1:04:01
Speaker 4: bucket that looks like Guile's hair?
1:04:04
Speaker 6: What you do is you have your wife sit in
1:04:05
Speaker 6: front of you and you can eat the popcorn off
1:04:07
Speaker 6: her head.
1:04:09
Speaker 4: How are you going to get her to wear that?
1:04:11
Speaker 4: That's more of my question. We're going to go see
1:04:14
Speaker 4: Street Fighter 2 in the theater.
1:04:17
Speaker 3: And you're wearing a popcorn bucket on your head?
1:04:19
Speaker 4: That's right. You're wearing a popcorn bucket on your head.
1:04:24
Speaker 6: The funny thing is she probably would do that.
1:04:27
Speaker 4: Oh, that's great. That's great.
1:04:30
Speaker 6: Okay and uh one good movie in the theater is
1:04:33
Speaker 6: uh resident evil yeah i've heard good things yes see
1:04:36
Speaker 6: they took what they did the writer he didn't like
1:04:41
Speaker 6: base it really off the video game like the video
1:04:43
Speaker 6: game characters he just based it off a character going
1:04:46
Speaker 6: through the city when everything happened you know when the
1:04:49
Speaker 6: outbreak goes to right right so that's what they almost
1:04:53
Speaker 6: needed to do to star trek you know maybe i
1:04:56
Speaker 6: don't know just change it up a bit change the
1:04:58
Speaker 6: formula I don't know. Somehow they got to bring in
1:05:02
Speaker 6: the younger crowd because the Gen X, Gen Z, nobody's
1:05:08
Speaker 6: watching it in that generation. They're talking about the Star
1:05:13
Speaker 6: Trek Las Vegas. Everybody was old there. There was no
1:05:16
Speaker 6: new fans. Everybody was at 40 and up.
1:05:20
Speaker 4: Some franchises, they grow out. You're not seeing young Speed
1:05:27
Speaker 4: Racer fans out there right now.
1:05:29
Speaker 1: No.
1:05:30
Speaker 4: You know it's just it's a different time.
1:05:32
Speaker 6: Yeah it's like the franchise is slowly dying but they
1:05:37
Speaker 6: need to figure out how to bring in the younger
1:05:39
Speaker 6: crowd yeah i mean they had the younger crowd when
1:05:42
Speaker 6: they rebooted the movies back in 09 but they waited
1:05:47
Speaker 6: too long you know producing them like it took what
1:05:51
Speaker 6: to 2012 for the sequel and then 2016 for the
1:05:54
Speaker 6: third one and then we waited to discovery and that
1:05:58
Speaker 6: it was 2017 and nobody latched on after that.
1:06:01
Speaker 1: Dan has mentioned this before and I think he's right.
1:06:03
Speaker 1: You know, maybe this franchise needs to die so that
1:06:07
Speaker 1: later on it can be reborn.
1:06:09
Speaker 5: Resurrected.
1:06:10
Speaker 3: I don't think I said die. I think rest.
1:06:13
Speaker 1: You didn't say die, but you said it needs to
1:06:15
Speaker 1: go away.
1:06:17
Speaker 6: Find a good showrunner in another decade. Somebody that's fine.
1:06:21
Speaker 4: I'll do it.
1:06:22
Speaker 6: No, that'd be awesome.
1:06:24
Speaker 4: Please.
1:06:25
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:06:26
Speaker 7: Yeah.
1:06:27
Speaker 1: When you become a screenwriter and you're doing movies, remember us.
1:06:33
Speaker 1: Maybe a little story by credit would be nice. We
1:06:35
Speaker 1: can help you.
1:06:37
Speaker 6: In 10 years, you could either write it with AI
1:06:40
Speaker 6: or the AI would already kill this.
1:06:41
Speaker 4: I'll bring Dan to be my security consultant. You'd be
1:06:47
Speaker 4: surprised how many trucks you need, so I'll bring Scott
1:06:49
Speaker 4: in to help us move.
1:06:51
Speaker 3: Gear and everything.
1:06:52
Speaker 1: I can be in charge of transportation.
1:06:55
Speaker 4: There's a lot of semis. You need to move things
1:06:58
Speaker 4: and yeah so as.
1:07:01
Speaker 1: Long as i get access to the catered food i'm good.
1:07:05
Speaker 4: You would oh yeah scott or uh jacob makes a
1:07:07
Speaker 4: good point we've got skynet around the corner yeah they're
1:07:11
Speaker 4: gonna kill us in the next 6 to 12 months so.
1:07:13
Speaker 3: So speaking of scott's food truck uh i'm gonna let
1:07:17
Speaker 3: you all go oh yeah yeah.
1:07:19
Speaker 1: Yeah i think we're just about i think we're beating
1:07:23
Speaker 1: a dead i forget he's an.
1:07:24
Speaker 6: Hour ahead of us So it's 10 a.m.
1:07:27
Speaker 5: Here.
1:07:27
Speaker 4: Oh, he's three hours ahead of me.
1:07:28
Speaker 3: It's 11.15. It's brunch time.
1:07:34
Speaker 1: It's brunch time.
1:07:36
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1:07:38
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1:07:41
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1:07:43
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