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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. Scotty.
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  Speaker 3: Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you, brother. What's happening?
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  Speaker 1: You know, back in the seat. Back in the hot seat.
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  Speaker 2: You're looking good, dude. Look at you, you handsome bastard.
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  What's this box?
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  Speaker 1: This is the best supplements on the planet sourced from Japan, America,
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  and Switzerland.
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  Speaker 2: North Performance, Dr. Massey.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know him? He's a Stanford doc. He started
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  the company. I'm involved. I'm getting heavily involved in the
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  ownership of it. And I'm excited about it. It's a one,
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  you take it a day, like one satchel. It's got
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  all the shit.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so it's like a pre-pack?
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  Speaker 1: It's a pre-pack.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I like pre-packs.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one and done. I don't like to think. Exactly.
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  Give me pre-pack. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I take pures now. I take Pure Encapsulations. They
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  have those little men's ultra packs or whatever it's called. Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I take those every day with a bunch of other shit.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I'll try your stuff though.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Check it out. So what's so special about these vitamins?
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  You know, it's just, it's more for the person who's
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  like wants to excel in training. So it's got all
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  the amino acids, your creatines, your M & M.
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  Speaker 2: All of it in one supplement? It's big. You'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see. Pull that bitch out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's open it up, baby. Let's fucking go. By the way,
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  this is not an ad. I mean, I guess it
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  is for Scott, but it's like we didn't organize this.
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  I know you're involved in your AG. I know, but
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  I just want people to know that, like, I talk
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  about cool shit regardless of whether or not it's an ad.
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  And if something's going to be an ad, I have
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  to approve it. Ooh, look at you. You need a knife?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's bust it out.
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  Speaker 2: Montana Knife Company, son.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. Good for cutting elk. That's a skinner, boy.
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  Speaker 2: Look at that sucker.
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  Speaker 3: Shave that dog.
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  Speaker 1: Teach it to hunt. The best knives.
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  Speaker 2: All right, supplements. So how long have you been involved
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  in the whole supplement thing? Have you always taken them? Oh,
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  it's all in powder? Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Try dry scooping that. You're going to choke to death.
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  That's a lot of powder. That I believe. Okay, now
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  at least I'm more convinced. Because there's a lot of
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  volume here.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, there's a lot of stuff. Like if you took
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  every vitamin that I take every day and you busted
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  them up and put them into a powder form, it
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  would be like this. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So it's 70 plus vitamins in there. And that's the
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  biggest thing, right? Like efficacy and quantity. You need the
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  right amount.
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  Speaker 2: Do you just mix this with water? Is that how
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  you do it?
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Mix it with a big water. And then you
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  just don't have to think about it. Because I was
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  doing so many a day.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: As you probably are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I ran out of that one. Oh, I got to
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  wear that.
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  Speaker 2: So you're involved in this company. Did you guys ever
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  send this stuff out for third-party testing?
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever do that? It's totally third-party tested. So
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  my very wealthy buddy started it. He did it essentially
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  for himself. He was like, I want the best of
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  the best. He's like 55, but he's an adventure athlete.
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  And he's like, I want the best of the best.
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  I don't care what it costs. And he's like, wait
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  a sec. I think I can make a business out
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  of this.
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  Speaker 2: So that's where we're at. Good for you, dude. Okay.
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  So for people at home, what's the name of the
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  company again?
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  Speaker 1: North Performance.
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  Speaker 2: North Performance.
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  Speaker 1: And is there a website they can go to?
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: We're just launching it. It's going to be on subscription-based.
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  Come to your house every month.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, nice.
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  Speaker 1: Don't just think about it. Oh, I like not thinking.
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  Speaker 2: Yep. You got me. Got me hooked already, son. All
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  the things. Volume, so I'm believing in it.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when I know if you're a very reputable
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  and ethical guy, you know, if you're involved in something,
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  it's going to be legit anyway. So that's cool to know.
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  How long have you been taking supplements? Have you been
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  a vitamin guy forever?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I cycle in and out like anything. Do you?
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  My non-negotiables typically are fish oil, vitamin D. I take
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  MNN or NAD and then glutathione. My dad was always
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  a massive glutathione guy.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of real health benefits to glutathione. I
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  think especially liposomal glutathione, which is, I think, more bioabsorbable.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome, dude. Good for you. And don't listen to
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  your doctor. If you have a doctor like I had,
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  my doctor said, all you need is a balanced diet.
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  Most of those vitamins are just going to pee out.
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  And I looked at him like, dude, you look like shit.
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  I didn't say it, but I was trying to be nice.
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  He's got a pot belly. I'm like, this is crazy.
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  You have zero muscle and you're telling me about balanced diets.
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  Like this is bananas, dude. And now that I've looked
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  back on it, he was probably how old I am now,
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  you know, and he looked like shit. There's a lot
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  of doctors that don't understand that if you want to
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  optimize your health, it's not about what the 100% of
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  the USDA or whatever it is, the requirements. There's real
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  science on what the right doses are, and you can
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  find it. It's just complicated. You've got to go online,
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  and you've got to go, what's the optimum dose of
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  vitamin D? Are there dangers of going above vitamin D?
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  Are there benefits of having a high level of vitamin D?
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  If you really want to do it right, you should
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  work with a wellness clinic and have someone go over
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  your blood. Fortunately, we have ways to well in town,
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  so I do it with them. They go over your
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  blood work. They'll actually make you a vitamin that's designed
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  specifically for what your body needs. They'll encapsulate it all
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  in pill form, tell you how many to take a day,
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  and they'll send you like a bag of vitamins. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been actually thinking about doing that test because
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  there are certain doctors that will tell you your blood
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  type will dictate what you should be eating. And I've
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  never really got that done. Or no, and I know
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  certain people just are like, this is a game changer.
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  I always wonder how much of that is voodoo. It
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  might be a little voodoo.
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  Speaker 2: It kind of makes sense though if your ancestors came
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  from a specific part of the world. You know what
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  I mean? Yeah. Like we know that's the case with alcohol.
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  Like people whose ancestors came from a society. Yeah. Well,
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  societies that didn't normally drink alcohol, like particularly Native Americans,
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  had a really hard time with it because they just
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  weren't built to metabolize alcohol. They didn't have it as
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  a part of their world. And I guess if you're
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  in a part of the world where your ancestors ate
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  mostly meat, I bet your diet should probably be mostly meat.
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  I bet it fits right in there. And if you
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  come from a place where they ate a lot of
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  specific kinds of grains, I would wonder how much of
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  that stuff is real, like blood type versus what food
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  you should eat. Because everybody eats proteins, amino acids, vitamins,
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  and all that stuff you get from fruits and vegetables
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  and meat. And food and fish and eggs.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're looking at the Blue Zone, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They essentially have a variety of a Mediterranean diet. It's
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  a kind of a variety of everything. They don't just
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  eat red meat, but they eat a lot of fish.
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  But they do eat red meat and they do drink wine.
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  And they sort of have this diet that is kind
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  of a bunch of everything. And, you know, there's a
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  bunch of other factors as well.
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  Speaker 2: Purpose. Physical activity.
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  Speaker 1: Physical activity. Community.
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  Speaker 2: I think a big one with all these blue zone
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  people is they're just eating real food. That's the real problem.
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  What people need to truly get into their head is
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  the majority of the American diet, as delicious as it tastes,
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  is like... Garbage. It's bad for you. It's actually bad
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  for you. It's not good for you. Real food is
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  good for you. If you go and you have a
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  Grilled chicken and some avocado and a nice salad and
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  a glass of sparkling water. That's actually really good for you.
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  Versus if you go and have a fucking jack-in-the-box double
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  cheeseburger with bacon and whatever sauce and eat the fries. Like,
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  that's poison.
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  Speaker 1: It's poison. It's delicious poison. Now, I will say, I
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  just got back from Europe. My body there feels so
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  much better. And I eat pretty healthy. I eat healthy
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  here and I eat pretty healthy there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody has the same story. So what's going on?
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  It's our food. Our food is bad. There's a guy
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  who broke it down. Remember that dude with the cowboy hat, Jamie?
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  Remember that cat who's really good at breaking down nutrition facts?
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  He broke down what.
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  Speaker 1: The gluten is, the glyphosate, right? It's bromine.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of other compounds. There's a bunch of preservatives.
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  All that stuff is, again, bad for you. And all
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  these people that live in like Italy and live in
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  these Mediterranean diet places, what are they eating? They're eating food,
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  actual food, real food.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not just that. It's like the way the
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  dairy is processed, right? So, you know, and I actually
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  went to a cheese factory in Italy a couple of
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  times ago in Europe. And I asked, I said, why
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  can my stomach tolerate this and not in America? And
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  they're like, well, first off, the process of making this
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  cheese is like four to six hours in the morning
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  every day. And it gets the lactose out. Whereas we
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  just slap it in and send it out. And it's
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  like that's not the way to do that. It's also
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  raw cheese. I bought a house from this guy who
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  was from France. Really cool guy.
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  Speaker 2: He was a doctor. Very interesting dude.
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  Speaker 1: I got to know him.
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  Speaker 2: Got to become friends with him. And he would smuggle
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  cheese back from France because it was literally illegal to
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  have that cheese. This is California, 2003.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 2: Illegal to bring that cheese into America because it was raw.
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  It hadn't been– all the biology in it hadn't been killed. OK.
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  So like when we're drinking raw milk, what you're getting
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  is all the enzymes. You're getting it– and people could say, oh,
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  are you a baby cow? You should be– like it's
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  really good nutrition. Raw milk is good nutrition. There's calcium
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  and protein and fats, milk fiber. It's good for you.
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  It tastes good when you drink. If you're drinking a
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  glass of homogenized pasteurized milk, your body is like, what
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  is this? Like this is milk that can just sit
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  on the shelf for months. That's crazy. If you get
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  raw milk– I get it on a Saturday– By Wednesday
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  or Thursday, it gets a little sketch.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It starts stinking. That's the cat. So this dude, listen
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  to what this guy says. So he's talking to this guy.
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  This guy's talking about how he's eating bread over in Europe.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. America.
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  Speaker 1: Can't eat it.
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  Speaker 4: That's because in America, what we call bread can't even
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  be considered food in parts of Europe. See, here in America,
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  it's not so much the gluten as what we've done
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  to the grain. About 200 years ago, we started stripping
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  the bran and germ, or the fiber and nutrients, to
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  make flour shelf stable, also nutritionally dead. Because the nutrients
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  were gone, we enriched it with folic acid, which a
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  large majority of the population can't even metabolize, therefore many
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  people experience fatigue, anxiety, hyperactivity, and inflammation. But then the
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  bread wasn't white enough, so they bleached it with chlorine gas,
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  and the bread didn't rise enough, so they added a
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  carcinogen called potassium bromate, which is banned in several countries
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  like Europe, the UK, and even China. Then we wanted
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  to ramp up production, so we started using glyphosate to
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  dry out the weed before harvest, causing endocrine disruption and
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  damaging your gut. So now you're bloated, brain fogged, tired,
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  and blame gluten, but gluten is just the scapegoat. The
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  real issue is ultra-processed, chemically altered, bleached, bromated, fake vitamin-filled
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  weed soaked in glyphosate.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't bread.
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  Speaker 2: This is. Shout out to this guy. His name is
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  Denny Dorr. Denny, D-E-N-N-Y underscore D-U-R-E on Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck with the audio there because that song will.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So what I get for that, and I have seen
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  this actually.
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  Speaker 2: Damn it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just essentially pure greed to keep bread shelf-stable for longer.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's their business model, right? So their business is
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  set up on shelf-stable stuff. And the problem is it
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  was greenlit, right? So the problem is whatever year they
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  started doing that, they built their entire business on doing
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  it that way. So this was the argument when RFK Jr.
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  came in and said you have to stop using these
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  dyes for children's cereals. Yeah. And they were saying this
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  is going to ruin our business. And he was like,
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  you already make the same kind that we're asking you
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  to make for Canada because Canada doesn't allow them to
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  use the dyes. The same cereal they make in the
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  United States. And it looks not as good because it
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  doesn't have the juicy, delicious, bright, vibrant dyes that give
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  you fucking cancer. But the reality is it's just their
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  business model. They're set up to do it a certain
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  way and to change would be very expensive.
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  Speaker 1: So what do they do?
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  Speaker 2: They fucking hire lobbyists. They hire lobbyists. They get their
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  guys into the FDA. They get their guys into this organization,
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  that organization, and they make sure that they're protected. And
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  then we keep eating dog shit and we keep getting poisoned.
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  And you go to Italy and you have a spaghetti
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  and you feel great. You don't feel like you got
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  shot with a tranquilizer dart. You know, it's kind of amazing.
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  Speaker 1: There's a dart in your neck, man.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about it so many times. You go over
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  there and you go, why am I living the way
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  I live? These people are just hanging out, having a
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  good time, having a cigarette, laughing.
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  Speaker 1: That shouldn't even be a thing we're arguing about. I
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  don't even understand. It's just like that gets lumped into that.
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  It's like, no, that's for the betterment of society.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What? Like, why is that a thing?
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  Speaker 2: We live in a weird world, man, a world that
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  doesn't completely make sense. And then on top of it,
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  it gets connected to political ideology. So it used to
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  be that the people on the left were really concerned
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  about healthy food. Like when I was a kid, we
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  used to go to the health food store. My parents
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  were hippies and they would buy like whole wheat bread and,
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  you know, like they would try to buy like organic food.
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  And that was the thing on the left. Avoid chemicals,
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  avoid processed foods. And because it's all these movements are
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  connected with Trump and RFK Jr., there's so many people
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  that are rejecting something that's beneficial to everybody because somehow
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  or another they have this connected to some right-wing anti-science position. Like, God,
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  you guys are getting brainwashed. We should all be eating
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  organic food. That should be the only food. We're not
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  doing that, okay? And it's one of the reasons why
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  we're some of the sickest, fattest fucking people on Earth
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  while also being the most wealthy country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, groupthink is like a crazy thing. It's really sad because...
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  People aren't really actually thinking critically about each subject. They're
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  just jumping on to something they've been told or is
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  in their echo chamber or whatever. You know what I mean?
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  I like to think no matter what issue it is,
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  I'm like, okay, well, let's evaluate that. Let's kind of
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  look at both sides. Maybe there's like, and maybe there's
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  some in between. Both things can be true.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. And that's a problem. If there's something
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  that's accurate that the other side is saying and you're
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  rejecting that, Because it doesn't align with your political ideology?
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  That's bad for everybody. I think the groupthink that we
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  have to all really align with is the groupthink of
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  being open-minded. Being actually open-minded and willing to accept different
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  ideas and also recognize that you are not your ideas.
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  Your ideas are just thoughts. Do not connect yourself with them.
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  You are you. And if you really want to have
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  a stable you, you want to be proud of what
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  you are, you should be completely detached to ideas. You
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  should know which ones are accurate and which ones aren't
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  based on information, based on the reality of whatever we're
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  talking about, whatever subject matter is. But the reality is
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  like you can't be married to your ideas. Because they'll
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  fuck you. They'll fuck you over every time. It's like
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  it's not going to work. You have to be flexible.
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  And you have to be willing to say, even though
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  I hate this guy, he's right about that. It's very important.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay to be wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay to go, hey, I was wrong about that.
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  He lies about a lot of things. But that thing
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  that he's saying is actually true.
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  Speaker 1: Well, here's an even, to go even a little more,
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  maybe an unpopular or something people don't talk about is,
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  They divide, in my opinion, to control. If you don't
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  have division, that's when the pitchforks come out. If you
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  don't have the illusion of choice in a team, that's
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  when you're like, well, fuck that. They're taking our money.
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  We're paying all these taxes. We're doing these things. And
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  we actually don't have a choice. Right. Maybe that's the
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  reason it's, you know, there's these teams, red and blue.
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  And it's actually just one higher. group that are actually making.
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  Speaker 2: Decisions the big money yeah well for sure they benefit
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  from people being at each other's throats they benefit from
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  culture war stuff they benefit from people arguing over whatever
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  it is pride month or whatever it is black lives matter.
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  Speaker 1: Rile people up and then people are thinking about this
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  and this instead of hey like this is actually going
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  on yeah talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah I mean look every time there's I mean when
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  Clinton got caught with Monica Lewinsky they started bombing like
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  right afterwards like.
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  Speaker 1: That's the real power.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they do. It's a good move. It's a
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  good move to distract people because otherwise that shit is
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  going to stay in the news cycle until something big happens.
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  So you got to make something big happen. Yeah, it's
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  a– we're involved in a game and we don't think
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  it's a game. We think that what we're doing is
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  trying to make the world a better place and vote
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  for people that have similar values. That's not the game
• 17:36
  they're playing. The game they're playing is let's pretend that
• 17:40
  we care. Let's pretend– That we want to fix the
• 17:43
  homeless problem. Let's pretend we want you to have health care.
• 17:47
  Let's pretend. But meanwhile, a good percentage of them are demons.
• 17:53
  They're just sociopaths, completely devoid of any feelings of what
• 17:58
  the consequences of their action are going to have on
• 18:00
  people's livelihoods, losing their homes, losing their businesses. They don't
• 18:05
  give a fuck. They care about their own career and
• 18:08
  they want to keep on trucking until they become the
• 18:10
  king of the country. And that's what they're trying to do.
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  And that's a giant pile of these fucking demons. There's
• 18:15
  a lot of them out there that think like that.
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  Speaker 1: No we were actually talking about it my buddy gave
• 19:31
  me a lift here uh today on his plane and
• 19:33
  he's a very wealthy successful guy but he was getting
• 19:36
  riled up about some trans thing and an issue and
• 19:40
  i and i was like why do you think you
• 19:42
  get riled up about it i was like do you
• 19:45
  think that maybe that's just a cause for division and
• 19:48
  like what you know like if you get upset about
• 19:52
  a sound out of someone's mouth when you think about
• 19:55
  it it's kind of like from a 30,000 foot level
• 19:57
  it's like you're getting riled up about an idea about
• 20:01
  a sound that's coming out of someone's mouth right you're
• 20:04
  letting that affect you right.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And it's not affecting your real life But you're choosing
• 20:09
  to focus on that. And it is an issue. But
• 20:12
  is it an issue that's of paramount importance in your
• 20:15
  life when you're on your own private jet flying somewhere?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I know. Probably not. I was thinking about it. I
• 20:19
  was like, you're this billionaire and you're upset about that.
• 20:24
  And I go, you're wasting your time thinking about that
• 20:28
  instead of a million other things we could talk about
• 20:31
  or think about.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: It was interesting.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Well, it's always been a tool. As much as we
• 20:36
  like to say, no, these are real issues that we face.
• 20:38
  We really have a real cultural issue that we have
• 20:40
  to– I get it. That's true. But however, you have
• 20:43
  to recognize that that tool has always been used by dictators, by.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Divide and conquer. Art of war.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I mean it's the– From the beginning.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: And it's important. And it's one of the beautiful things
• 20:51
  about our country. is that we have two parties, so
• 20:55
  it's so easy to do because it's just good guys
• 20:58
  and bad guys. There's no good guys, bad guys, pretty
• 21:02
  reasonable guys that are pragmatic. We know how to kill folks.
• 21:04
  I like them.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Let's go to that side.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the disciplined side. But no, it's like
• 21:10
  you can only be on the right or on the left.
• 21:13
  And if you're on the right, you get lumped into
• 21:15
  these– Crazy people that have these big Jesus rallies and
• 21:19
  they talk in tongues and you get lumped in with
• 21:22
  white nationalists. You get lumped in with Christian nationalists that
• 21:27
  think that the Ten Commandments should be in every school
• 21:29
  and no one should be able to practice any other religion.
• 21:31
  This is a Christian country. There's people that really believe
• 21:34
  pushing that. You get lumped in with them too when
• 21:37
  you're just like, hey, I think the Second Amendment is important. Like, oh,
• 21:41
  you must be a far right wing conspiracy theorist. Like, oh,
• 21:44
  come on. Like you can't always count on the cops.
• 21:48
  You should be able to protect yourself because bad people
• 21:50
  have guns. It's that simple. It doesn't mean you're going
• 21:53
  to use them all the time. Like this is crazy.
• 21:55
  You could kill people with a variety of different methods.
• 21:58
  You don't need to lump everything into right and left,
• 22:03
  but people do. They do because they're being told to.
• 22:06
  If you're on the left, you have to accept trans
• 22:09
  women are women. There's a whole bunch of– like they're
• 22:11
  kind of moving away from that now. In a big way,
• 22:14
  they're moving away from the competitive thing, like with trans
• 22:17
  women competing in school athletics because it's like after a
• 22:21
  certain amount of fucking championships, you just got to go, hey,
• 22:25
  that's a guy. That's a guy fighting women. Be kind,
• 22:29
  be sweet. Those people have always existed, but also you're
• 22:31
  letting them into the women's room and now you could
• 22:33
  have perverts who just say they're trans and then go
• 22:35
  in the women's room too. You didn't think about this.
• 22:38
  The fact that they never factored in The one segment
• 22:42
  of society that has always been the most hated and
• 22:48
  the most like looked out, like make sure that they
• 22:50
  don't come near you. Psychopathic perverts, like psychopathic perverts that
• 22:55
  prey on men, guys that want to go in women's bathrooms,
• 22:58
  guys that want to like grab women after bars. Those
• 23:01
  guys have always been terrifying. Yeah. And we just gave
• 23:05
  them a Willy Wonka golden ticket. Just wear a dress.
• 23:07
  Like imagine you're a fucking old school pervert and you're
• 23:10
  80 years old. You're like, fuck, I missed the boat. Yeah.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: You've been in and out of jail for doing all
• 23:15
  kinds of creepy shit. Pretending you're a woman.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I think we should just be able to hunt, hunt them.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Like for real.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I would lose zero sleep.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Real perverts. Yeah. Like the thing is like child molesters. Yes.
• 23:29
  Like no problem. Just let's go hunt them. Well, they're
• 23:32
  broken and I don't know how you could ever think
• 23:34
  you're going to fix them. And then there's this weird
• 23:36
  trend where in, Some academic circles, they're trying to label
• 23:40
  them as minor attracted persons, which is just this thing
• 23:45
  of just empathy falling into chaos. Like you have so
• 23:49
  much empathy that you're willing to ignore all kinds of–
• 23:54
  like what's going on in the UK with the rape gangs.
• 23:56
  They're willing to ignore it because they don't want to
• 23:58
  be deemed as being racist. They don't want to be
• 24:01
  deemed as being Islamophobic.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that breakdown of– culture and because of, you know,
• 24:11
  some very extreme groups is pretty scary.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: It's scary.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: It's super scary.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: It's scary because it can happen anywhere in the world.
• 24:19
  It can happen in America too. And if you think
• 24:21
  it can't, you're nuts. And the beautiful thing about America
• 24:24
  is you're supposed to be able to practice any religion
• 24:27
  you want. You're supposed to be able to be a Buddhist.
• 24:30
  You're supposed to be able to be a Baptist. No
• 24:32
  one should care and we should all be able to
• 24:34
  get along. It should be a true melting pot. But
• 24:36
  there's other organizations that have different plans, and their plans
• 24:41
  are to take over cities. Their plans are to take
• 24:43
  over cities and change the laws. And we were talking
• 24:46
  about with Tim Dillon what happened with Dearborn, Michigan. All
• 24:49
  these liberal people are like, yeah, we love Muslims. Everyone's amazing.
• 24:53
  So they got a Muslim mayor, and the first thing
• 24:54
  he did is like, no more pride flags. This shit's illegal.
• 24:57
  Because what he would like is Sharia law. If you
• 25:01
  ask the majority of practicing Muslims– like worldwide, how many
• 25:04
  of them would like Sharia law? And it's not a
• 25:08
  small amount. You know, that's their religion. But the problem
• 25:11
  with that is like, you can't push that on other people.
• 25:14
  If you want to have your mosque and you want
• 25:16
  to pray five times a day, wonderful. You should be
• 25:18
  able to do that 100%. Everybody should appreciate the fact
• 25:20
  that there's all sorts of different ways of worshiping God. Great.
• 25:25
  I don't know who's right. But as soon as a
• 25:28
  culture starts taking over and putting in values that First
• 25:34
  of all, gross women.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Grossly deteriorate women's rights. Grossly.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: That's bad. That's when it falls apart.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: And that's their culture. And you have to understand that
• 25:43
  that's they've accepted when they're wearing those traditional head garbs
• 25:47
  and body coverings. That's their culture. And they want women
• 25:50
  to dress like that. And, you know, we have to
• 25:54
  stop that from spreading. Like you should be able to
• 25:57
  do it if you want to. But the idea that
• 25:59
  you can take over a town or take over a city,
• 26:01
  that's a flaw in our system. Because every city should
• 26:06
  have the same sort of national rights. Every city should
• 26:10
  have the rights that we have where you can wear
• 26:13
  whatever you want to wear, practice whatever religion you want
• 26:17
  to practice, and you shouldn't be persecuted one way or
• 26:20
  the other. But when you get a country like England
• 26:23
  that just lets them in, mass migration, and then you're
• 26:27
  ignoring the chaos that comes with it, that's not good.
• 26:31
  And that makes you wonder, like, are they wanting– The
• 26:34
  society deteriorate to the point where they can say, hey,
• 26:37
  we're going to make new laws to protect you because
• 26:41
  you need to protect. So you have mass surveillance everywhere,
• 26:44
  more police on the streets, more people getting arrested. And
• 26:48
  in England, you know, they're also getting arrested for social
• 26:50
  media posts.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I've been hearing about that. More than China, more than Russia,
• 26:55
  more than Russia and China combined. Yeah. It seems as if,
• 26:59
  you know, the grab for power is just, you know,
• 27:03
  done in plain sight now. Yeah. And I hate to
• 27:06
  say this, but they don't have the Second Amendment.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: It's part of the problem. Part of the problem is
• 27:10
  you're not armed. So, like, when shit goes sideways, you
• 27:14
  don't have a lot of options, you know? And what
• 27:17
  are you going to do? All get together with shovels?
• 27:19
  What are you going to do? Grandpa's got a bird gun?
• 27:22
  Let's go get Grandpa's bird gun. Fuck, what are we doing?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Get grandpa's bird again.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: That's no way to keep the police out of your town. Yeah,
• 27:35
  it's not good. I think hopefully there's enough sensible people
• 27:39
  where we're going to come out on the other end
• 27:41
  of this. But it's going to be real hard with
• 27:43
  this right versus left bullshit.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: No, well, but, you know, not to like toot your
• 27:48
  own horn here, but voices like yours are really important
• 27:50
  because you examine a lot of different people. And you've
• 27:55
  pulled in like almost, I was thinking about the other day,
• 27:57
  like an encyclopedia of different type of people and different
• 28:02
  types of subject matter where you can type it in
• 28:04
  a chat GPT and say, can you tell me about
• 28:07
  this thing that, you know, and then the, Oh, would
• 28:10
  you want to hear an two hour podcast that Joe
• 28:12
  did about it with the expert of such and such?
• 28:15
  And that's pretty cool because then it expands people's mind.
• 28:19
  It's much easier than having to, you know, go and
• 28:22
  read about something, you know, that's an interesting point.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Well, if it gets people stimulated, that's great. But the
• 28:28
  reality is we should be teaching people to think correctly
• 28:31
  from the time they're young. And I think we're spending
• 28:34
  way too much time giving them information and not teaching
• 28:36
  them how to think correctly. Yeah. And not also like,
• 28:41
  you know, giving them something that excites them and giving
• 28:45
  them something that they They can understand why it's important
• 28:50
  to be interested in something, like why it can benefit you,
• 28:53
  how it can stimulate you, try new things out. Like, oh,
• 28:56
  this is exciting.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: I feel better. I feel good.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: People like tasks. They like that. We should be taught
• 29:01
  that from the time we're young. Instead, we're just basically
• 29:05
  groomed to becoming workers.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: You know what's interesting is– so I turned 40 in
• 29:09
  March and I decided I was going to take the
• 29:12
  year off. So essentially 39 to 40, right? because I'd
• 29:17
  been working head down for 20 years, hadn't looked up,
• 29:19
  living out of a suitcase, movie to movie to movie
• 29:21
  to movie, you know, blah, blah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Blah, blah, blah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And I thought it would make me– it would give
• 29:27
  me better perspective. It would maybe whatever, you know. Where
• 29:32
  am I going in the next 10 years is kind
• 29:33
  of my thinking. And I actually got more depressed. Yeah.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I was like wait what the fuck is going on.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I feel more depressed and it kind of just goes
• 29:46
  back to just stay busy get up and do shit.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Well the thing is you're busy but you're busy doing
• 29:52
  what you love and that is a gift that's a
• 29:56
  real gift Yeah. We're both very fortunate in that regard.
• 29:59
  And anybody who's listening to this that actually does what
• 30:01
  they love, whatever it is, beekeeping, carpentry, you're doing what
• 30:04
  you love. You're so lucky. Create.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Go out and create. Don't take.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Be a creator in anything. Like if you're a plumber
• 30:12
  or whatever, you know, fix someone's pipes. Yeah. Have a
• 30:15
  purpose and create. Don't take. Oh, there's takers and there's creators.
• 30:20
  You know, it's like I was actually listening to a
• 30:21
  podcast and a guy said that and I was like, yep,
• 30:24
  that's it. If you create, you're exponentially happier, I think,
• 30:28
  because you're giving society.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Something it didn't have. It's a benefit to the people
• 30:33
  that are interacting with you with whatever you're doing. Yeah.
• 30:36
  And that's good for you, for sure. And I think, unfortunately, look,
• 30:42
  I don't want the responsibility being the guy who gives
• 30:45
  everybody curious things to think about. Oh, you're not the
• 30:49
  only person.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: No, of course. But you are.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You are. I really think that This kind of thinking,
• 30:54
  the kind of thinking that lets you explore things and
• 30:56
  gets you interested in things should be in schools. Instead
• 31:00
  of just forcing fucking history down their throats and math
• 31:02
  down their throats, give people the tools to be excited
• 31:06
  about things. Show them cool shit. Show them cool shit
• 31:10
  where they realize, oh, learning about things is actually really interesting.
• 31:14
  It just has to be something you're interested in. And
• 31:17
  then they'll realize like, oh, I can get good at stuff.
• 31:19
  I can pursue something instead of just being gullible. hogging
• 31:23
  the wheel like most people feel. Most people feel like, fuck,
• 31:26
  the economy sucks. I just got to get a job.
• 31:28
  And then you just get home and you just want
• 31:30
  to play video games or do something to stimulate yourself
• 31:33
  because you hate jobs. And then next thing you know,
• 31:35
  you're 35 and you don't know what the fuck you're
• 31:38
  doing and you're stuck. And that's a lot of people,
• 31:41
  a lot of people listening to this right now. And
• 31:43
  it's because they were never instructed how to think about things.
• 31:46
  They were never instructed to try to find something that
• 31:50
  you're actually interested in.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Go do the thing. Get the job.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Encourage that curiosity. Whatever it is, man. Being a fucking
• 31:56
  car mechanic. Whatever thing you're interested in. There's got to
• 31:59
  be a thing. You just got to find that fucker.
• 32:01
  You can get good at anything.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And that will produce money. Also, part of the problem
• 32:07
  is culturally I think we place too much value in
• 32:12
  like rich and oh you got to do this and
• 32:15
  it's like no no hold on don't miss the point
• 32:19
  get good at something and you'll that you love and
• 32:22
  then that will produce if you get good enough at
• 32:24
  anything you'll make money at it.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: For sure but the problem is like with kids it's
• 32:29
  everything today they want it fast really fast they want
• 32:33
  ozempic right they don't want to go on a diet
• 32:35
  they want Get whatever it is. Fill in the blank
• 32:40
  with whatever thing that they want to get really fast with. Scams, crypto,
• 32:44
  anything where they're going to get rich quick. Whatever they're
• 32:46
  going to do to get rich quick. Because it's like
• 32:48
  this TikTok mind culture where people just want that easy,
• 32:52
  quick fix in a pill instead of doing the work.
• 32:56
  When you think about a job or going down a
• 32:59
  career path, like acting, for instance, like what you did.
• 33:02
  First of all, you did it. You would think, oh, great.
• 33:05
  Clint Eastwood's his dad. He'll help him.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Made it worse for me.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: It did.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: People were like, nah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: You had to prove that you were a really good
• 33:15
  actor for like a long time before people go, oh, yeah,
• 33:17
  Scott's actually really good. Because it's always going to be
• 33:21
  your Clint Eastwood's kid.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: You know, and then he didn't fucking help you. But
• 33:25
  like your grind was, I know you, your grind was
• 33:28
  years and years and years and years and years and
• 33:30
  years of just fucking hustling and putting in the work.
• 33:33
  Most people see that and they go, wait, how long
• 33:35
  is it going to take?
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: What?
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: 14 years?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: 20 years?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: What? Like when we talk to comics, that's a big,
• 33:43
  big thing that comes up in comedy clubs. Like most
• 33:45
  comedians say a comic isn't even really a comic until
• 33:47
  10 years.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: 10,000 hour rule, right?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's real. There's something to that.
• 33:53
  There's something to reps for sure. But I think intention
• 33:57
  is as important as what the hours or just the
• 34:01
  amount of time.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like if you're just mailing it in in the gym,
• 34:03
  it's not the same as I'm going to build this
• 34:07
  or get really good at that.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100 percent, especially skills-related things. Like jiu-jitsu is a
• 34:13
  perfect example of that. Jiu-jitsu– 100% you get better the
• 34:17
  more you do it. But 1,000% if you drill correctly
• 34:22
  and you have like mastery of the fundamentals of the techniques,
• 34:25
  like you really truly understand like leverage points, where you're
• 34:28
  supposed to be, when it's secured, when it's not, when
• 34:30
  there's an escape, when there's no escape. If you don't
• 34:33
  understand that, you're just rolling around and just like resisting
• 34:37
  hard with people. And you'll get somewhere. But you won't
• 34:40
  get nearly as far as you would get with focused,
• 34:44
  really systematic breaking down of techniques. So it's like the 10,000-hour
• 34:49
  thing is– there's something to it. The more you do it,
• 34:52
  the better you'll get. But really it's the intention that
• 34:55
  you put into each and everything you do. That is
• 34:57
  as if not more important than the time. Like it's
• 35:01
  about enthusiasm. It's about enthusiasm and your willingness to like
• 35:07
  look at it as objectively as possible. And especially if
• 35:11
  you're– like with jujitsu is a thing. It's like your
• 35:13
  ego is involved because you don't want to get tapped
• 35:15
  out and you don't want to get humiliated. And so
• 35:17
  you don't want to try things. So you keep a
• 35:19
  tight game and you never grow. And it's– your ego
• 35:22
  actually holds you back by that. And that– but– telling
• 35:26
  people that it's going to take that long if you
• 35:28
  knew how long it would take to get to black
• 35:30
  belt you're like oh god it's too much work.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Well also I think the thing you realize you know
• 35:36
  as your ego gets stripped from you doing jujitsu is
• 35:39
  that you realize like doesn't matter what level I'm at
• 35:43
  there's always going to be a thousand more guys above
• 35:47
  that level that will still choke me out you realize
• 35:50
  how much how like you're like no I kind of
• 35:54
  am a pussy You're like, I'm not, you know, I'm
• 35:57
  not as tough as I, you know, you know now.
• 36:00
  You really know.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I really know because I work for the UFC. Yeah,
• 36:05
  you know. We're always around like every week and dozens
• 36:08
  of guys can kill me.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And there's people that can kill them, which is crazy.
• 36:13
  It's like there's levels to levels, you know, when a
• 36:15
  guy like. Ilya Teporia knocks out Max Holloway like, whoa.
• 36:20
  And then Justin Gagey beats up Ilya Teporia like, whoa.
• 36:23
  It's like there's so many guys out there. You have
• 36:27
  to be humble and it's good for you. It's good
• 36:29
  for you to not be delusional.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: But my point was for young people, they have to
• 36:36
  get interested in the path. It can't be just the results.
• 36:39
  And the path is really where you grow and you
• 36:42
  become something special in life. You have to be on
• 36:45
  that path for a long-ass time and try to keep
• 36:47
  getting better at it with every day. Every effort you
• 36:52
  put into it, do it whatever the fuck you're doing.
• 36:54
  Do it to try to get better at that thing.
• 36:56
  And eventually success will come. You're going to have to
• 36:58
  manage that success. You're going to chase it. You're going
• 37:00
  to have to figure things out. But the most important
• 37:02
  thing should always be the path.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I think that's in everything, in anything you do. If
• 37:08
  you're making music, if you're writing books, it can't be
• 37:11
  I'm going to sell a million copies. It's got to be.
• 37:13
  I need to fucking make this the greatest literature that's
• 37:17
  ever been read.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But I think, I also think we need to push
• 37:23
  because of this whole like quick money and, and thing, the,
• 37:27
  the morals and codes people have are not taught enough
• 37:33
  to young people, you know, do the right thing. When
• 37:36
  you say you're going to do something, be there. When
• 37:38
  you make a promise, do it, complete it. Don't just,
• 37:42
  You know, people just are so happy in this culture of, of,
• 37:46
  you know, Oh, whatever, fuck them. We can just do
• 37:48
  whatever we want. It's like, that's fucking terrible behavior to
• 37:54
  put out to young people. You know, you gotta have
• 37:57
  a code and a value system. That's what my dad,
• 38:00
  I mean, he was so, you know, you make a promise.
• 38:03
  That's all you have in this life is your word.
• 38:06
  So it's like, you gotta do something. Your dad should
• 38:09
  have been president. Why didn't he run for president? Because
• 38:12
  he did politics.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: He would have fucking won. I know he was a
• 38:14
  mayor of Carmel.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: And then he said, never fucking again. He would have
• 38:21
  been a fun president, though. I don't know if I
• 38:27
  would have liked it, though. Then it would have been
• 38:29
  like everyone would have come after me for no reason.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Bro, you would have been Don Jr. Oh, Jesus.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Way to put me in the box.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Roped up into some crypto scheme. Everybody would hate you.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Making billions. Yeah.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Jeez Louise.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Politics are dirty. I wouldn't have done it either
• 38:50
  if I was him. But, you know, like when Ronald
• 38:52
  Reagan ran, a lot of people are like, finally, finally,
• 38:55
  a guy who like is good at acting. I mean,
• 39:01
  that's kind of what the president is. It's a role.
• 39:04
  Part of it is a role. Like you're playing a leader.
• 39:07
  And the way you behave, it's very formal. The way
• 39:10
  you communicate, it's very formal. And actors are going to
• 39:14
  be better at that. Like Josh Brolin, that guy could
• 39:18
  be the president 100%. That dude could kill it as
• 39:22
  the president. He looks like a president. Didn't he play
• 39:24
  a president in the George Bush movie? Yes. That's right.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: He played Bush.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he could be president.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I know they tried to get The Rock to run. Yeah,
• 39:34
  I think he was thinking about it. Yeah, not much.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: He told me, fuck this. Or maybe he was just
• 39:39
  hyping it up. He was kind of, he was toying
• 39:41
  with it. He was like, yeah, I'm going to do it.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: He's very smart with social media. He's a wizard at
• 39:47
  that stuff. But I think he's too smart to run
• 39:49
  for president. isn't that crazy get that giant ass pro
• 39:53
  wrestler that guy he should be our president at least
• 39:57
  we know that our president could fuck up all the
• 39:59
  other presidents.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: That would be nice I'd like to see some sort
• 40:03
  of version it's like okay great you gotta be smart
• 40:06
  enough but you also have to maybe do some sort
• 40:09
  of fight or some sort of physical competition because you
• 40:15
  can't just be you gotta be athletic that would.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Be cool It's already a giant show anyways. We should
• 40:23
  really make them do about seven grams of mushrooms. Anybody
• 40:26
  who wants to be president.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: That would be good.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: You do seven grams of mushrooms. We film it. We
• 40:30
  do it in a dark room with infrared cameras or
• 40:34
  night vision cameras.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Freak out.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. We want to know how well you handle God.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: But also expand your mind a little bit. Don't be
• 40:42
  so rigid in your ways, right? Yeah.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Well, also I think a lot of those people would
• 40:46
  benefit from a psychedelic experience because it would just make
• 40:48
  them realize that like there's a lot more to the
• 40:50
  world than you can see right in front of your face.
• 40:53
  And you don't think that until you have it and
• 40:55
  then you have it and they'll never think any differently again.
• 40:57
  You're always going to be like, okay, there's a part
• 41:00
  of this that's not real.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. Trust me. I did the– I did 5-MeO
• 41:05
  and it was– I mean I was– Some life-changing stuff.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Well, you feel like you're dead when you take that stuff, right?
• 41:11
  That's the first thing you think, like, oh, my God,
• 41:12
  I killed myself. Yeah.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm not around anymore. Yeah, yeah. And I think
• 41:17
  what was the most powerful thing was when you come back,
• 41:21
  it felt like seeing the world for the very first
• 41:23
  time again. Like, the first time you saw grass, the
• 41:26
  first time you saw the sun, the first time you
• 41:29
  felt the wind.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I cried. I bawled for 45 minutes in
• 41:35
  my buddy's girlfriend's arms after I did it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Whoa. And I was like, I'm just so uncomfortable after
• 41:40
  about five seconds of Billy Kay Scott. Go cry on
• 41:44
  the couch. That's enough. Why are you hugging my girlfriend, bro?
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: You handsome bastard.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Get off of her.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: But it was powerful.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Well, your ego is completely shattered after that stuff. And
• 42:00
  you probably weren't even thinking of who you're hugging. You
• 42:02
  just want to hug a human person. And it's the,
• 42:04
  the feeling of it is so like, you're a part
• 42:07
  of everything in the universe and there is no, there's
• 42:11
  no like particular destination. It doesn't exist. You're a part
• 42:16
  of everything all at once. It's a very strange feeling.
• 42:20
  And no one ever has ever done it and go,
• 42:22
  I didn't think it was that big a deal. Like
• 42:24
  everybody who does is like, wow.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Like I've known, I know a few, uh, prominent right
• 42:31
  wing people that have done it. They would completely change
• 42:35
  their life. A couple of them don't even talk about it,
• 42:38
  so I don't want to mention any names. But then
• 42:39
  they want to talk to me about it. And they're like, yeah,
• 42:42
  so I'm a different person now. Whoever I used to be,
• 42:45
  I'm not that guy anymore. Because once you know, once
• 42:50
  you know that you really are a part of the
• 42:53
  whole universe and it's like all the molecules, everything everywhere
• 42:57
  is connected. There is no space. There's no space between anything.
• 43:00
  Everything is filled with something. It's all a soup. It's
• 43:04
  a giant soup of energy and vibration. It kind of.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Actually made me sad for the people who will never
• 43:12
  try it and are dealing with so much pain or
• 43:16
  dealing with such a rigid thinking or whatever it is
• 43:20
  that it could help them. And I was like, oh, man,
• 43:23
  that is sad.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: The rigid thinking is a big one. It's interesting that
• 43:28
  it's becoming much more accepted to talk about. You know,
• 43:31
  I see, like, grown adults who are very successful, who
• 43:36
  run businesses, and they talk about psychedelics. And when I
• 43:40
  was young, when people talked about magic mushrooms or anything
• 43:45
  like that, it was always like you were a fool.
• 43:47
  You were a crazy person who wanted to like trip
• 43:50
  and see things that weren't there. It was never like
• 43:52
  you were trying to expand your consciousness and you were
• 43:55
  trying to just enrich your experience in life and, and
• 43:59
  have a better perspective and ego death and all those
• 44:02
  things that people are trying to do and be more
• 44:04
  connected to God. But now it's commonly discussed. It comes
• 44:08
  up all the time. So the public's perception on this
• 44:12
  has really radically shifted in my lifetime. And I think
• 44:16
  it's because of the internet. I think it's really, it
• 44:19
  really started to change where I heard, I heard people
• 44:22
  talking about it in the early two thousands. And it was, um,
• 44:26
  Even before social media because there was a bunch of
• 44:29
  articles that were written and a bunch of people were
• 44:31
  talking about positive psychedelic experiences and people were talking about
• 44:34
  how it helped them quit heroin and people were talking
• 44:37
  about all these different things that were connected to mushrooms
• 44:39
  in particular. But then all the Terrence McKenna stuff that
• 44:43
  he was talking about, DMT and LSD and a bunch
• 44:47
  of different psychedelics that have helped him. And so all
• 44:51
  this stuff started getting out there and then YouTube. And
• 44:54
  with YouTube and with podcasts, then people really started hearing
• 44:59
  about it from people like Michael Pollan. And you're like, whoa,
• 45:01
  Michael Pollan is a very respected journalist. Like what is
• 45:04
  he talking about? He wrote a book about psychedelics called
• 45:07
  Change Your Mind? Like what? And so it's now where rational, intelligent,
• 45:13
  educated people are free to talk about it and they
• 45:16
  often do. And so that just alone gives me hope
• 45:20
  because I feel like that's a big change. And how
• 45:23
  people view something.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Well, was it, and I don't exactly know the history,
• 45:28
  but I've heard, was there alcohol lobbyists that were trying
• 45:34
  to kind of suppress weed use?
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: The alcohol lobby has. Did it also go to psychedelics
• 45:42
  as well? They haven't yet. No. Well, I'm sure they
• 45:46
  are leaning in the direction of it not being legalized,
• 45:48
  but The problem with alcohol and marijuana is that places
• 45:53
  that do have legal marijuana, you see a diminished alcohol intake.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: The diminished alcohol intake is measurable. It's like they cost
• 46:02
  the money.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: It's real. You also have the darker thing, which is
• 46:05
  prison lobbies. Explain. Yeah. They lobby prison guards unions. They
• 46:12
  lobby– There's a bunch of people that lobby to make
• 46:14
  marijuana laws, keep them on the books so they can
• 46:17
  keep locking people up.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Sure. Cause that's a massive business, right?
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Their business is keeping people in cages, which is really
• 46:23
  fucking crazy. Yeah. That's pretty, it's really crazy that someone
• 46:26
  is who's in the business of locking people up can
• 46:29
  actually lobby to make sure more people get locked up
• 46:33
  and get locked up for something that no violent crime. Yeah.
• 46:36
  And especially marijuana. Like most Americans don't think that you, uh,
• 46:41
  That it should be illegal. It's a large number. It's
• 46:44
  like more than 70 percent I think. Like what was
• 46:47
  the– what amount of Americans think that marijuana should be legal?
• 46:53
  Let's see if there's a poll. Put that into perplexity.
• 46:55
  See what the universe says. I would say it's about
• 46:58
  67 percent of Americans think marijuana should be legalized. Legalized. Yeah.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: What do you think about all drugs being legal?
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: It's a tough argument because for sure you're going to
• 47:10
  lose some people. If you make all drugs legal, look,
• 47:13
  if they made drugs legal right now, I'm not going
• 47:15
  to go buy heroin. I'm not buying fentanyl. I'm not
• 47:19
  into meth. I'm not interested. If I could go to
• 47:21
  the pharmacy and pick up meth, I'm not going to
• 47:23
  pick it up. But some people will. 70%. 70% of
• 47:27
  Americans say marijuana should be legal in general, according to
• 47:29
  Recep Galipol. If you include people who support either medical
• 47:33
  or recreational legalization, it's 88% to 89%.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: U.S.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Adults say marijuana should be legal in at least some
• 47:40
  form with only about 11% wanting it to be completely illegal.
• 47:44
  And those people need to try it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: So, look, I'm actually– pot never agreed well with me.
• 47:50
  And I think I have– I always– I get a
• 47:53
  little scared and paranoid sometimes where I was like maybe
• 47:57
  I have like a propensity to like some sort of
• 48:00
  schizophrenia or something. I was like, ooh, this isn't– I
• 48:03
  was like, I don't like this.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: This made me kind of go psychoschematic and– So did
• 48:08
  it just make you scared or did it like distort
• 48:10
  reality for you in a way that it was?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: No, I don't, I don't know if it destroyed reality.
• 48:15
  It just got my brain, you know, it got my
• 48:18
  brain so freaked out about things that were out of
• 48:23
  my control. That's the part I like. Now I can
• 48:27
  see why, because like, you know, mushrooms, they make you
• 48:30
  face some things that you're going on in your life.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: And I think that's healthy.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Potch has never agreed with me.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: I think what I like about it is when it
• 48:40
  wears off. I like that fear. I like, like Joey
• 48:46
  Diaz says, go meet the devil. I think there's some
• 48:50
  benefit to freaking out because then it calms down and
• 48:54
  you have more perspective. But I think what's going on
• 48:56
  is You really can't think about all the threats of
• 48:59
  the world and all the problems in the world and
• 49:01
  all the things that can go wrong in your life.
• 49:02
  You can't think about those on a regular basis. You
• 49:04
  got to kind of put your blinders on and keep
• 49:06
  on trucking.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: And then marijuana is like, what's that in the corner
• 49:09
  of the room that you're scared of? And you're like, oh!
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: But I will say, as you know, important, like before
• 49:18
  the frontal cortexes. like fully developed. Because there is some
• 49:22
  danger for young men specifically.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: And schizophrenia and like, you know, some stuff that can
• 49:29
  come if you're not. I think that's with anything, right?
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if it causes schizophrenia, but it's
• 49:34
  really bad for brain development. Especially young people that smoke regularly.
• 49:38
  It's not good for you. It's just not good for you.
• 49:41
  And I know that's hard for people to hear because
• 49:44
  they want to get high. Just trust me. If you're
• 49:46
  getting high all the time when you're 14 years old,
• 49:49
  it's going to fuck your head up. It's not good
• 49:51
  for you. It's just not good for your brain development.
• 49:53
  And it's one of the most important things about you
• 49:56
  as a human being is your ability to think well.
• 49:59
  It's very important.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: 100%. It's your operating system. Don't screw it up before
• 50:03
  it has a time to like.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, people have done it and got
• 50:11
  away with it and they're OK. But a lot of
• 50:13
  people have not. And you don't want to sabotage your
• 50:16
  whole life just because everybody you know is getting high.
• 50:18
  It's just not worth it. And that also goes with alcohol.
• 50:22
  There's young people that are like 14, 15 years old
• 50:24
  that are getting drunk four or five times a week. Like,
• 50:26
  don't do it, man. I'm telling you, it is fucking
• 50:29
  bad for the development of your brain. Whatever you look,
• 50:32
  maybe you have a very high potential. Maybe your brain,
• 50:35
  maybe you're always going to be smart and you're going
• 50:36
  to be fine. But I guarantee you where– if you're
• 50:38
  getting drunk all the time and getting high all the time,
• 50:41
  wherever you would be is not where you are. You
• 50:44
  might be still a very high intellect, still very smart.
• 50:47
  You would have been smarter. Your brain would have functioned better.
• 50:49
  You would have probably had a better perspective. It's not
• 50:52
  good for you. And we glamorize it for kids, like
• 50:57
  the kids at parties drinking, having a good time. It's
• 51:00
  fucking bad for you.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Don't do it.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: But you can't– you also can't tell them don't drink.
• 51:06
  Because if you tell them don't drink, they just want
• 51:07
  to drink. You just got to kind of inform them.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Well, Europe tends to have like a better– it seems
• 51:14
  as a whole– I'm sure they have their problems too.
• 51:17
  Much better. Yeah. They ease into it, right? Have a little.
• 51:21
  Like less is more.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: With anything actually. Less is more.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: It's not forbidden.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: It's not forbidden. So you can have a glass of
• 51:28
  wine with your family when you're 11, 12 years old.
• 51:32
  It's not that big a deal.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: That Protestant culture we have is very rigid. It's like,
• 51:37
  don't do this or you're going to die.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: It creates drug addicts and hoes. People just want to
• 51:44
  not listen to their parents. They just want to do
• 51:46
  something that's fucking– like whatever you're doing, I'm doing the
• 51:49
  opposite because you are fucking annoying and you've been the
• 51:52
  bane of my existence. As soon as I get out
• 51:54
  of this house, I'm smoking crack.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Fuck you, dad. You don't know what you're talking about.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: So to get back to your question, the problem with
• 52:01
  legalization is you're going to have a bunch of people
• 52:03
  that do drugs that wouldn't do drugs normally because it's legal.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: But what about when you're of age? Like, I don't know,
• 52:09
  call it 25.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even then, you're going to have a bunch
• 52:11
  of people that don't like their life and just decide
• 52:14
  to go to the corner store and pick up some heroin. However,
• 52:19
  what you're not going to do is empower the drug
• 52:22
  cartels and organize crime. And that's what we're doing now.
• 52:26
  So in one way or another, people are going to
• 52:29
  get drugs. So how are they going to get drugs
• 52:31
  during prohibition? Well, they're going to get drugs from criminals.
• 52:33
  That's what they've always done. That's what they did during
• 52:35
  the alcohol prohibition. That's what people do. And when you've
• 52:39
  got a multibillion-dollar industry, maybe trillion-dollar industry right next door
• 52:44
  to us, which is Mexico, and they're just bringing it through,
• 52:47
  bringing it through, like what are we doing? Are we
• 52:49
  empowering them or would you rather have it legal– And
• 52:53
  have a substantial portion of those profits, block out everything
• 52:57
  that comes in illegally, have a substantial amount of those
• 53:00
  profits put to rehabilitation and treatment.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: I was also thinking from a quality perspective too, right?
• 53:07
  You're like, hey, that's cool.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: We get it.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: People are going to do this, but we're going to
• 53:11
  monitor it and make sure it is what it says
• 53:14
  it is.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Look, alcohol is legal. There's a lot of people that
• 53:18
  don't drink. They don't like it. They don't like the
• 53:20
  way it makes them feel. They don't like the way
• 53:21
  it makes them act. They say stupid things. They feel
• 53:23
  like shit in the morning. They don't drink. That will
• 53:27
  be the same with cocaine. That will be the same
• 53:28
  with heroin. However, there's some people that are alcoholics and
• 53:31
  alcohol is legal and it's everywhere. And these people will
• 53:33
  hit bars and get fucked up every night and their
• 53:35
  life is going to be a mess. They're going to
• 53:37
  die of liver poisoning. That's normal too. It's very unfortunate,
• 53:40
  but you can't nerf the world.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You got to like trust a little bit that.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be really hard to sell to America
• 53:49
  that cocaine, heroin, and meth are now all legal. It
• 53:53
  would be really hard to sell to them. But I
• 53:56
  think ultimately it would probably be better for us.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all those other things.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Those are less troublesome. Not a lot of people are
• 54:04
  dying from MDMA, but people definitely abuse it.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: They definitely get addicted to it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: They're doing it all the time. Apparently that whole thing
• 54:11
  about making holes in your brain is bullshit.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: That was a campaign?
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I think it was probably just some internet horseshit. Let's
• 54:19
  find out what it does. Does MDMA cause holes in
• 54:24
  your brain?
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Put that in there. See what perplexity has to say.
• 54:27
  They started using it as couples therapy, right? I mean,
• 54:30
  that was the impetus of the whole thing.
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• 55:34
  I know they do use it for couples therapy, but
• 55:36
  it's also really good for soldiers with PTSD. And that's
• 55:40
  what MAPS has done with their studies. That's the big
• 55:44
  focus of their studies is PTSD.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: MDMA. There's something about MDMAs, the empathy that it gives you,
• 55:51
  the compassion it gives you. It lets you drop a lot.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Of things that are in your head.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: No, MDMA does not literally punch holes in the brain
• 55:57
  that would show up as empty gaps on a scan.
• 56:00
  But high or repeated doses can damage serotonin neurons and
• 56:04
  alter brain signaling, especially with heavy use. So where did
• 56:09
  the holes idea come from? Anti-drug companies popularized dramatic brain
• 56:13
  scan images that were described as showing holes in But
• 56:16
  these were actually areas of reduced activity or reduced binding
• 56:19
  of certain markers, not physical gaps in brain tissue. Still,
• 56:23
  that sounds bad. Reduced activity, reduced binding of certain markers.
• 56:28
  That sounds terrible.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I chalk up all this. It's like moderation to everything.
• 56:35
  Less of everything.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I disagree with some people that I really trust. You know,
• 56:41
  what's his name? Dr. Paul Saladino?
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: The carnivore doctor?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I really like most of what he says, but
• 56:48
  he's like, don't drink. And it's like, well, maybe. But also,
• 56:54
  it's maybe a pretty nice type of glass of wine.
• 56:56
  It's nice to laugh with friends.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: And it's nice.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Like, that's important, too, in life. And I think balance,
• 57:04
  you tip the scale one way if you're totally extreme.
• 57:06
  And then you're just like the social life and you
• 57:09
  can't go out and really enjoy yourself for a second. Yeah.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: That's important. Moderation.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Moderation.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: And you're absolutely right about social life being– loneliness kills
• 57:20
  people quicker than anything else.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: 100%.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. People that are lonely, they die younger than people
• 57:26
  who smoke cigarettes.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Well, it's bad for you.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Being lonely is actually bad for you. Feeling bad is
• 57:33
  bad for you. I mean, it seems like it should be, right?
• 57:35
  It's bad.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: It feels bad.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Probably bad for you. Feeling good is good for you.
• 57:39
  So a little tipsy with your friends or you're laughing.
• 57:41
  I love you. I love you too, bro.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: It's great. It's great.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: It's great for people. Yeah, you're going to feel like shit.
• 57:48
  Take your electrolytes. Drink a lot of water.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Balance.
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: Get in the fucking sauna.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: Work out. Don't do it every day.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Don't do it every day.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Get an IV. Yeah. Dave Chabelle taught me that trick.
• 57:59
  When I was touring with Dave, all he would do
• 58:01
  is like after shows, they would just get IVs. He
• 58:04
  would get vitamin IVs in the morning. They did it
• 58:06
  all the time, big bags of glutathione to deal with
• 58:10
  the alcohol. Yep, yep. You'd go into like– Dave would
• 58:14
  have a room.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: You'd go into the room.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: There would be like eight of us there all hooked
• 58:18
  up to IV bags, talking shit. It was fun.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: That sounds good.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: But it's smart. Like that's how you counteract the fact that, look,
• 58:25
  he takes a lot– there's a lot of benefit, particularly
• 58:28
  for his job, right? Like Dave's job is being silly–
• 58:32
  And pointing out ridiculous aspects of our society. What better
• 58:35
  way to do that than to be talking shit with
• 58:38
  your friends with a couple drinks in you.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Imagine all the things you would have missed.
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: That wouldn't have been in your comedy. That wouldn't have
• 58:46
  been in your life. Yeah. I got to go home now.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: It's 8 o'clock. I got to go home. You're like, no,
• 58:52
  that's boring. You become a boring person too.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: But there's also balance. Sometimes you have to realize like
• 58:57
  I've done this dance before. I got to get up
• 58:59
  at 6.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: See you guys.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: There's good to that, too.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: It's like you have to have discipline, but you also
• 59:05
  have to have the ability to cut loose. And it's hard.
• 59:07
  It's hard to balance those things out. You know, like
• 59:09
  you're saying about vitamins, like I'm get off the boat,
• 59:11
  I'm on the boat, you know, like that. It's like
• 59:14
  there's some things that should be non-negotiable. And for me,
• 59:17
  there's two. There's nutrition and exercise. Those are non-negotiables.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: All the other things I'll fuck around with in terms
• 59:24
  of like.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: They're all bonus, right?
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Bonus rounds.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: You have to. Get cardio. You have to hit weights.
• 59:29
  You got to stretch. You got to get good sleep.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I have to do the workout stuff just for
• 59:34
  my brain. Above the body stuff, it's great to keep
• 59:37
  the body healthy, and I'm very aware of that. And
• 59:40
  I think about that as well. But for me, it's
• 59:42
  my brain. When I have a nice, good, hard workout day,
• 59:45
  I'm so easygoing. I'm so free.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Do you have ADHD?
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay. Same. I think everybody does.
• 59:52
  Anybody who's any good at anything has it.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Every ADHD guy thinks everyone has ADHD. I think it's
• 59:57
  a superpower. No, I do too. I always tell people.
• 1:00:00
  And you're probably dyslexic.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: No. You're not dyslexic.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Okay. Because that goes hand in hand quite often.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Are you dyslexic?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I'm dyslexic.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: So explain to me what you see when you see text.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I jump. Oh. I jump. So you need to go
• 1:00:17
  left to right. Uh-huh. My brain- and then jumps.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Is it regardless of the subject matter? Like if you're
• 1:00:25
  reading about something really interesting, does it do the same thing? Yeah.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: And now it just takes intense focus for me to read.
• 1:00:33
  And once I get in a good rhythm, I can
• 1:00:35
  get going. I can train my brain to read better.
• 1:00:39
  But when I'm not focused or there's other things going on,
• 1:00:44
  I jump and then my brain has a really tough
• 1:00:47
  time so I get tired very easily. And then it's like, oh,
• 1:00:50
  and I get a little frustrated, tired, and then I
• 1:00:53
  fall asleep. Like that.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I do fall asleep if I try to read at night.
• 1:00:58
  But I don't have a hard time reading. So I
• 1:01:00
  don't have the dyslexic thing. But I've had friends that
• 1:01:04
  have it and I don't understand. I'm like, so you
• 1:01:06
  see it, right? And you're going through it. But what
• 1:01:09
  is going on in your brain where it's making you
• 1:01:11
  jump back and forth?
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's just losing focus. I
• 1:01:14
  don't know.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: And regardless of the– like it could be the most
• 1:01:17
  important thing you've ever read.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: You know, like what if you just like won the lottery?
• 1:01:21
  You got a piece of paper in the mail. Oh,
• 1:01:23
  I'm reading that. You just won five billion dollars. And
• 1:01:27
  you're like, wait a minute. Do I owe five billion?
• 1:01:28
  What does that say? I can't read this. Read this
• 1:01:30
  for me.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: No, I don't.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: It's just I don't know if it's about it's about
• 1:01:34
  the text messages are cool.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's all it just is harder. And now,
• 1:01:41
  you know, like when I grew up, they didn't give
• 1:01:45
  any sort of special treatment to that. Now it's. almost
• 1:01:48
  mandatory in schools. Right. If you're dyslexic, they give you
• 1:01:51
  more time for test taking. They give you more time
• 1:01:54
  for reading. They have, you know, teachers that will help
• 1:01:57
  with the dyslexia. There's tools you can use now.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: So I got kind of boned.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Can I check something here? This is something weird.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Could be related.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I've been seeing this a lot online and I'm very
• 1:02:10
  curious about this. People are saying there's a link between
• 1:02:14
  ADHD symptoms, I guess we'll call it, and histamine levels
• 1:02:18
  in your body. And I brought this up on the screen.
• 1:02:22
  It's not on shown for everybody, but there's something that
• 1:02:25
  pops up about it. There is some studies to it.
• 1:02:28
  And what I've been seeing is this link. People are
• 1:02:30
  taking Zyrtec and Pepsid AC together, which creates some sort
• 1:02:35
  of histamine receptor blocking.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: And this is where I'm like, I don't know.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: It blocks histamine receptors located in the blood vessels, airway,
• 1:02:44
  and skin, and reducing allergic responses to Sinus congestion. So
• 1:02:48
  they're saying that it's a reaction to histamines?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: That's the mixture of Zyrtec. Zyrtec is more like allergies.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Everyone's into that.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: Pepsid AC is like acid and acid reflux.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I wonder if there's different things that they're talking about
• 1:03:00
  when they're saying ADHD. I could see people being easily distracted.
• 1:03:05
  But when I say ADHD, the people that I know
• 1:03:08
  that have it, usually there's one or two things in
• 1:03:11
  their life that they can really fucking focus on. Whether
• 1:03:14
  it's playing golf or whatever it is, a thing that
• 1:03:16
  you do where you could just focus on that. But
• 1:03:19
  other stuff, you're just scatterbrained. And they'll say, oh, you
• 1:03:22
  have ADHD. Or you're thinking a million things at once.
• 1:03:26
  You can't focus. That's what they always call ADHD. But
• 1:03:30
  everyone I know that has that, it's always whether or
• 1:03:33
  not they're interested in the thing.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: As soon as they find the thing they're interested in,
• 1:03:37
  they can lock in for fucking 12 hours and forget
• 1:03:40
  to eat.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Well, you know how some people, when pressure– Sorry to
• 1:03:44
  cut you off. When, like, you squeeze people, they either
• 1:03:47
  excel or they fold. Right. When you squeeze, typically, I excel.
• 1:03:52
  So I don't know where that comes from, but when
• 1:03:56
  you put the pressure on, I mean, that's why maybe,
• 1:03:58
  you know, I can do the job I do. It's
• 1:04:00
  like there's 200 people looking at you. Right.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Ready, action.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: This is an emotional scene. You've got to bring yourself
• 1:04:05
  to tears or it's emotional. It's like you squeeze. Some
• 1:04:09
  people are good at it.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also you had to be good at
• 1:04:12
  it because you didn't have a backup plan. That's also
• 1:04:17
  part of it. It's like your dad wasn't going to
• 1:04:19
  help you out. You really were out there. If you
• 1:04:22
  want to make it in anything, you have to be
• 1:04:24
  able to perform. No matter what it is, if you're
• 1:04:27
  a lawyer, when you're in court, you have to perform.
• 1:04:29
  You have to be able to keep your shit together
• 1:04:32
  and execute. Your job relies on that. And if you're
• 1:04:35
  a focused person, you recognize that and you work hard
• 1:04:38
  to make sure that you focus on that. And that
• 1:04:40
  you can execute when it's important. It's like people that
• 1:04:44
  avoid things that make them uncomfortable, they never develop that skill.
• 1:04:48
  And that's very unfortunate because it's one of the most
• 1:04:50
  important skills you could ever have with anything. It's being
• 1:04:53
  able to focus and being able to perform under pressure.
• 1:04:57
  It's very important. And we're missing that in life. We
• 1:05:00
  don't have these life or death moments like that our
• 1:05:02
  ancestors had all the time. Or some fucking villagers are
• 1:05:06
  sneaking up over the hill and you spot them and
• 1:05:08
  you run back to the fucking camp and you grab
• 1:05:09
  the bows and arrows and you go to war. Like
• 1:05:12
  we don't have that. So we don't have like a
• 1:05:15
  constant checking of whether or not your pressure system is functional.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean to bring it to this movie that
• 1:05:23
  I've got coming out tomorrow. It's a World War II movie.
• 1:05:28
  Lucky Strike. I'll say the name.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Plug it.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: That generation of men. had that, right? Because they, I mean,
• 1:05:36
  World War II, I talked to my dad about it.
• 1:05:39
  What it was like, he was only like 12 years
• 1:05:41
  old when World War II was going on. But he
• 1:05:44
  says he remembers listening to the radio and everyone in
• 1:05:47
  the family listening, like you could hear pins and needles
• 1:05:50
  because it was, we didn't know what was going to happen.
• 1:05:54
  I mean, people were scared for their life. Even back
• 1:05:57
  home in America, they didn't know what was going to happen.
• 1:06:01
  And that, I think, is why that generation of men
• 1:06:05
  and women are just from a different breed. Yeah. You know, and,
• 1:06:09
  you know, you've said it before on your podcast. It's
• 1:06:11
  like the hard men, you know, create easier times, easier
• 1:06:15
  times create. It's like the cycle that we're in. It's, yeah,
• 1:06:20
  I don't know. It's, I don't know. I think we
• 1:06:22
  need a little bit of that. We need a little
• 1:06:25
  harder men.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: 100%. Well, we need to stop using this term toxic masculinity. No,
• 1:06:31
  there's criminal behavior. Like toxic masculinity is a guy who
• 1:06:34
  beats people up and robs people and rapes. That's toxic.
• 1:06:37
  That's criminal behavior. Masculine behavior, it's protective. Masculine behavior is
• 1:06:43
  a guy who gets things done, provides for his family,
• 1:06:46
  takes care of people. You can call him at 2
• 1:06:48
  o'clock in the morning because you need a favor. You're
• 1:06:50
  stuck on the side of the road. All that shit
• 1:06:53
  is important. Strong people are good. It's good to have
• 1:06:56
  strong people. Like in this idea that somehow or another
• 1:06:59
  strength is bad for society. It's like really crazy. It's like, no,
• 1:07:03
  it's the strength needs to be channeled correctly. And that's
• 1:07:06
  why I think we have to encourage more people to exercise.
• 1:07:09
  And I would say for men, you should at least
• 1:07:12
  try martial arts.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: It's so good for your brain. It's so good for
• 1:07:16
  your confidence. It's so good for your humility. And you're
• 1:07:19
  also your understanding of like your vulnerability. So many people
• 1:07:24
  are fucking delusional. I've seen so many drunk people that
• 1:07:26
  don't know how to fight start fights. And you're like,
• 1:07:29
  do you want to die? Are you trying to die?
• 1:07:31
  Because you're going to run into some fucking guy who
• 1:07:35
  knows how to fight and he's going to hit you
• 1:07:37
  in the face and you're going to bounce your head
• 1:07:38
  off the fucking concrete. You're going to die.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: So stop. Stop doing this. But that delusional comes from
• 1:07:45
  not being around violence all the time. Yeah. Sharpened.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Having experience.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Knowing what it actually is and it's dangerous and you
• 1:07:56
  should do some dangerous things in your life. It's probably
• 1:07:59
  good for you. It's good to experience a little bit
• 1:08:01
  of fear. It's good to be nervous. It's like you
• 1:08:04
  got to grow and we are– we're in a society
• 1:08:08
  where people just want relaxation.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: They want comfort.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: They want entertainment and they just want to be sedentary
• 1:08:14
  and that is fucking terrible for our mental health. Coincidentally–
• 1:08:18
  We're in a mental health crisis. We're a giant percentage
• 1:08:21
  of people who act that way, who are sedentary and
• 1:08:24
  overweight and not taking care of themselves are mentally ill.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: You said something that was interesting, the being scared, being
• 1:08:30
  really scared and pushing through that thing, whatever it is.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: For me, when I, you know, it was, it's been
• 1:08:35
  martial arts, but it's also been surfing.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: And, you know, being scared for your life on big
• 1:08:40
  days and going through that and getting to the other side,
• 1:08:44
  you've never been calmer. You've never been more, Zen with
• 1:08:48
  nature and clear in your mind about and, and happy
• 1:08:53
  because you've accomplished something. You pushed your boundaries. You kept
• 1:08:56
  pushing them and pushing them pushing them how old were
• 1:08:58
  you when you started surfing i was young uh eight
• 1:09:03
  ten oh wow yeah i mean you know where it
• 1:09:05
  was like and and you know at first it's you
• 1:09:08
  know these waves scare you and then it's you know
• 1:09:11
  the you know bigger than the room scare you and
• 1:09:13
  and you go through these and it kind of could
• 1:09:15
  be all you feel like life and death experience if
• 1:09:18
  you If you're pushing yourself.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Have you ever had a shark situation?
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: I've seen sharks, but never in a way that's been like, oh,
• 1:09:28
  my God.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Bro, if I saw a shark, that would be, oh,
• 1:09:31
  my God. I'm on a styrofoam fucking popsicle stick.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: There's a difference between seeing a shark further away or
• 1:09:42
  seeing a shark on a boat. or seeing a shark
• 1:09:46
  you know isn't going to hurt you.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You have a conversation with
• 1:09:49
  the shark? Bro, we're cool, right?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: No, but look, you spend as much time in the
• 1:09:57
  water as, you know, a surfer would have done their
• 1:09:59
  whole life. You kind of understand what sharks are going
• 1:10:03
  to hurt you.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: What's going on here, Jamie?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Great whites talking on paddle boarders last week.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, great. Oh, good Lord. Do they even know it's happening?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: It does not appear that way.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. How did they not see that fin?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: Not looking behind them.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: They didn't even see it. Are you sure this isn't AI? Oh,
• 1:10:20
  it's ABC News?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going around the.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: But I actually don't think there's any more sharks. I
• 1:10:25
  think there's just more cameras. You know, there's just more
• 1:10:29
  people with drones and cameras seeing them.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Well, there has been heightened shark activity in some places
• 1:10:35
  where people are, for sure. I think particularly in Northern California.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Australia, too.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Australia has a lot of them, man. They
• 1:10:45
  seem to be angry over there, too. Their sharks are angry.
• 1:10:49
  Everything's angry over there. Fucking their crocodiles are angry.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: They fuck people up.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: I was reading about this guy who was the first
• 1:10:58
  guy to die in an alligator attack in Texas since 1830-something.
• 1:11:06
  And the story is, I don't know if this is true, Jamie.
• 1:11:09
  Pull this up.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: See if it's true.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: The guy's name, supposedly, rest in peace, Tommy. Tommy Woodward.
• 1:11:16
  He was drinking with some friends in a marina in Orange,
• 1:11:18
  Texas when he decided to swim in Adams Bayou. People
• 1:11:23
  warned him about a massive alligator that had been seen
• 1:11:25
  in the water. His friend pointed out near the dock
• 1:11:29
  and his response was, fuck that gator. That was the
• 1:11:32
  last thing he said. And then the gator killed him.
• 1:11:36
  He was the first guy killed from an alligator in
• 1:11:38
  Texas since 1836.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't swim in the bayou.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: But that is one of the most Texas fucking things
• 1:11:46
  that anybody's ever said. Fuck that gator. Right before he died.
• 1:11:50
  He's probably drunk as fuck.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Not respecting nature.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Drunk as fuck. He jumped in a water. Fuck that
• 1:11:57
  gator is a wild thing to say before the gator
• 1:12:00
  eats you. And that's, you know. Humility. You got to
• 1:12:03
  have a little humility, Tommy. Tommy, don't say fuck that gator.
• 1:12:07
  Here it is. Man mocks alligator, jumps in water, and
• 1:12:09
  is killed.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, this is recent.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: No, no, this is 2015. So what is the story?
• 1:12:15
  What does it say? Does it say he said fuck
• 1:12:19
  that gator in this article?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: He said fuck that gator.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: So there's a sign that's posted. It says, no swimming, alligators.
• 1:12:26
  And he went and swam.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: It said it. He removed his shirt, removed his billfold.
• 1:12:31
  Someone shouted a warning, and he said, blank that gator.
• 1:12:34
  Blank the alligators. Fuck. He said, fuck. Why didn't they
• 1:12:40
  just write F, dash, dash, dash, jumped in the water,
• 1:12:43
  and almost immediately yelled for help?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: That could have been what the guy actually quoted, even
• 1:12:47
  though he. He wasn't quoting them. Maybe he doesn't feel
• 1:12:50
  like saying the F word to them.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: To the news.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Immediately yelling for help is crazy.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: No bueno.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was in Florida a couple years back. We
• 1:13:04
  went alligator hunting, and they're everywhere. It's kind of disconcerting.
• 1:13:10
  We were in the Everglades. There's a ranch where you
• 1:13:14
  can go hunt alligators. They're everywhere. It's not hard to
• 1:13:19
  find them. They're fucking all over the place. How many
• 1:13:21
  of them are there that you don't see is the
• 1:13:23
  real question. It's a weird feeling because I thought it
• 1:13:27
  would be like hunting elk. You've got to go find them.
• 1:13:30
  We'll be glassing for them. Where's the elk?
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Go over the next ridge. Do you hear anything?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Somebody make a call.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Do you hear that out there?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. No, no, no. There's this one. Oh,
• 1:13:39
  there's one. Oh, there's one. Oh, here's one. Or here's
• 1:13:42
  a dead one. Here's another alligator killed. They're fucking... Look
• 1:13:46
  at this.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: No, thanks. Dinosaurs.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Where is this? This is this guy's tent? Yeah. Oh, God. Bro, run.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get that video off. What is wrong with you?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen this. Isn't this in, like, Brazil?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: I think so, yeah.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: This is in Brazil. I think this guy... Look at
• 1:13:58
  all the eyes.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck all that. Look at all the eyes. Oh,
• 1:14:03
  I didn't even see that. Yeah, that was what I
• 1:14:05
  was trying to get at. Oh, my God. That's terrifying. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: So they must all come out of the water at night,
• 1:14:12
  and this dude put his tent there.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Plus the five on the shore.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, dude. That is insane. That's insane. And
• 1:14:20
  you know they're all hungry. There's that many of them.
• 1:14:22
  How many deer can they eat? They're not small either.
• 1:14:25
  They're not small at all, dude. They all could eat you.
• 1:14:29
  Fuck all that. But the weird feeling about Florida being
• 1:14:32
  there was just the sheer numbers of them. And then
• 1:14:35
  knowing how many pythons there are. And I didn't see
• 1:14:37
  any pythons. But I go, how many do you guys
• 1:14:40
  see pythons? They're like, bro. Like occasionally you'll be just
• 1:14:43
  driving and you'll see something making its way across the
• 1:14:45
  road and it's 15 feet long.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: No. No gracias.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Thick like a fucking football player's thigh.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: I don't mess with that. See, I don't– I would
• 1:14:55
  way rather be in the water with sharks because at
• 1:14:58
  least you can open your eyes. But you can climb
• 1:15:01
  a tree if you're out in the woods. Yeah, but
• 1:15:04
  in the bayou, I don't know, man.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: It's a swamp. Yeah, don't go in the water water there.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: But outside of the water, I would way rather be
• 1:15:12
  on ground.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you're like, if you have, you know, distance.
• 1:15:16
  You have a gun.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: You have a lot of things. When you're in the
• 1:15:19
  water with a shark, you're fucked, man. You can barely move.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Well, you can actually, if you, if you, they're really
• 1:15:24
  deterrent by if you touch their nose. So if they're
• 1:15:27
  coming at you and you poke them, hit their nose,
• 1:15:29
  they're usually going to turn.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: For real? Yeah.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: Have you done this? No.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not. So when they come after you, don't
• 1:15:37
  flip your legs and scream and flail.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: No, keep them in front of you. Get underwater and
• 1:15:41
  bop them.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Bop them on the nose. Bop them. I've heard that before.
• 1:15:44
  I've heard punch them. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah,
• 1:15:47
  here it says, bop the nose. How punching a shark
• 1:15:50
  in the face saved this Hawaiian surfer.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not good either way. You don't want
• 1:15:55
  to be in the water with an angry shark.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: Well, in Florida, they don't have as many shark problems,
• 1:16:01
  but they do have bull sharks. And I was watching
• 1:16:03
  this video. There's these guys that go fishing, I guess
• 1:16:06
  it's the Keys, and they go off of this giant
• 1:16:09
  bridge and it's like real far to the water. So
• 1:16:12
  they have to have this like gaff system where they
• 1:16:14
  drop a line down and they gaff the fish.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: And they have to pull it up.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: They're catching these tunas and they never get them to
• 1:16:19
  the to the bridge they're just getting destroyed by sharks
• 1:16:22
  there's sharks all over the place down there.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah bull sharks are real dangerous because they they'll keep
• 1:16:28
  attacking whereas a lot of sharks bite out of you
• 1:16:31
  know misconfusion right they sort of think you're a seal
• 1:16:34
  or something and they don't know and then they bite
• 1:16:36
  and they're like ah okay bull sharks they'll just keep
• 1:16:38
  coming they're like little chihuahuas like pit bulls yeah.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah fuck those things they catch them a lot
• 1:16:46
  now what is going on with this guy.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: Cool sharks eating a tuna.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: I thought this was the video, but there's actually no
• 1:16:54
  views on that, so maybe not.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Well, this guy's actually in the water. The guys that
• 1:16:59
  I've seen, is this in the Keys as well?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: When I said big shark circling, I thought it was
• 1:17:02
  going to be a little more exciting than this.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. Imagine you're pulling a fish in and you
• 1:17:06
  see a shark. You're like, you just take it.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Take the fish.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. But a lot of guys, they pulled them in.
• 1:17:13
  They were cut in half.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: So you can– they bull shark fish down there now.
• 1:17:17
  You can catch bull sharks every day. They're trying to
• 1:17:19
  reduce the population because apparently it's a very high population.
• 1:17:23
  Bull sharks are the reason why Jaws was made. Do
• 1:17:25
  you know the original story behind Jaws?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't know that.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: The inspiration was actually bull shark attacks in freshwater on
• 1:17:33
  a river in New Jersey. So bull sharks are one
• 1:17:37
  of the weird sharks that can live in freshwater.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Go fresh and salt, right?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Is this the thing?
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, 1916.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is the– they caught that bull shark.
• 1:17:47
  And they killed, I think, two people, right? A series
• 1:17:53
  of shark attacks. Four people were killed and one critically injured.
• 1:17:57
  Incidents occurred during a deadly summer heat wave and polio
• 1:18:01
  epidemic in the United States. It drove thousands of people
• 1:18:03
  to seaside resorts in the Jersey Shore. So– They think
• 1:18:07
  it's a bull shark. It says there's been a debate,
• 1:18:09
  but it's in fresh water.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: They just did a 40th anniversary JAWS screening in that
• 1:18:14
  bay and people sat in the water to.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Watch the movie. Also natural selection.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: But they've found bull sharks as far north as Illinois.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Up the river systems.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They make their way up the river.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: That's scary.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. It's the most aggressive shark and they found
• 1:18:34
  them in fresh water. I think that dude that used
• 1:18:38
  to have that show River Monsters. You remember that guy?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I remember the show.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The guy who just caught fish all the time.
• 1:18:44
  Like the craziest.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: The redneck?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: No, he wasn't a redneck.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: He wasn't?
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: He was actually like an educated guy with a foreign accent.
• 1:18:51
  Where was he from? River Monsters.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I remember the show. I just don't.
• 1:18:54
  I don't know if I ever watched it. I just
• 1:18:56
  remember seeing it. What's it?
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: Manny from like the.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: The River Monsters guy.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: The guy with the gray hair. Oh.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: He was a fisherman.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: Jeremy Wade's his name.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: That's his name. Yeah. Where's he from? He's not from America, right?
• 1:19:10
  British biologist.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: British biologist.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: I think he did an episode on the bull sharks.
• 1:19:16
  I think there was one of those where they were
• 1:19:18
  trying to catch them in fresh water. They realized like
• 1:19:20
  these things, they go way up the rivers.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: And they can live in fresh water unlike all the
• 1:19:25
  regular sharks.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think. Yeah.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe some of them can. But I think most of
• 1:19:29
  them have to be in salt water like great whites.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: And stuff like that. They have to be in salt water.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: But they do.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: I mean they've tagged great whites and they'll go around
• 1:19:36
  the world. I mean you think they would have– they
• 1:19:38
  thought historically that They stayed in certain temperature of waters
• 1:19:42
  and certain migrating patterns. But they found them all over.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My daughter got really into megalodons at one point
• 1:19:48
  in time. So we really started like researching megalodons. Like hunting? No,
• 1:19:53
  not really.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean for the– Oh, no. We
• 1:19:56
  just got one online.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: But you start watching documentaries on megalodons and then there's
• 1:20:02
  the people.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: That think that megalodons might still be out there.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: And you're like, OK.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: Probably not. But either way, like the fact that that
• 1:20:08
  thing actually exists. He had a shark the size of
• 1:20:12
  a whale. He's out there fucking everything up.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't be surfing if there was Megalodons, would you?
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: I probably still would. I mean, I don't know. I mean,
• 1:20:24
  it's not a bad way to die, I guess. Swallow
• 1:20:28
  your hole, son.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: You'll suffocate and get digested.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: You're out there doing something you love.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: That's a good story.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: I guess for other people.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, it would be pretty quick. You know, what's worse?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: What's worse?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: You've lived this crazy long life and you're in bed
• 1:20:45
  for the last five to seven years of your life
• 1:20:48
  and you're hurting and you're like dealing with cancer or this, that,
• 1:20:51
  or just bam, get hit by a shark. I don't know.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: I could see it, I guess. But still, the instinct
• 1:21:00
  to stay alive is so strong. Yeah. When I'm 100
• 1:21:03
  years old and in my bed, I'm like, baby, they're
• 1:21:05
  going to have a new drug. It's going to bring
• 1:21:06
  me back to life. Yeah. They probably will be able
• 1:21:09
  to do that too, which is going to get real weird.
• 1:21:12
  If they really can take old people– like I was
• 1:21:15
  watching this video where they were talking about human skin cells.
• 1:21:18
  At least in a lab, they've been able to take
• 1:21:21
  human skin cells and take like 60-year-old skin cells and
• 1:21:24
  make them 20 again.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: That's going to be really weird.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I just don't– here's the thing. I'm all about
• 1:21:32
  living the best version of your life, being as healthy
• 1:21:36
  as you can. Maybe not for, like, whatever you get, like,
• 1:21:41
  being optimal. But isn't kind of the most beautiful thing
• 1:21:45
  about life is that it is finite?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: And that it's, like, people are just like, I'm going
• 1:21:49
  to live forever. It's like, I don't know if I
• 1:21:51
  want to live forever.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, there's something to that, man.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 3: Have you seen this trailer for this movie called White
• 1:21:57
  Whale Fall? Actually, Josh Brolin happens to be in it.
• 1:21:59
  I mentioned him earlier.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: What happens?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: This guy gets eaten by a whale.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: It's in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler. And
• 1:22:06
  it's about him surviving.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Is it real?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: I don't believe so. Crawling through that thing's mouth.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: The guy's just stuck in the whale's mouth?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 3: No, the whale eats him while he's scuba diving.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, Jesus.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: And then the rest of the movie is about getting out,
• 1:22:19
  I guess.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: Well, how long does he stay inside the whale's body?
• 1:22:22
  A real complex plot.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: 85 to 95 minutes, I bet.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: He's 85 to 95 minutes inside with his scuba tank
• 1:22:28
  inside the whale's body. This is bananas, dude.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just joking.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, and it just keeps swallowing it?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what the movie's about.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, God damn it.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: Is that real? Is that a new movie?
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: This is the real movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the movie
• 1:22:38
  comes out in October. Oh, my God.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: I saw the trailer recently, and I was just remembering
• 1:22:42
  to think of it.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: It might be awesome or the dumbest movie that's ever
• 1:22:45
  been made.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: I can't decide. Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: What do you do if you have a knife? Do
• 1:22:49
  you try to carve your way out?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Of the whale?
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You have to.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: You have to have a knife, yeah.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: But how much time would it take you to carve
• 1:22:55
  your way out of a whale? Forever. You're going to
• 1:22:58
  run out of air. If you have the scuba tank
• 1:23:00
  and you have a knife, do you really think you
• 1:23:02
  can get through a whale?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: That blubber's thick.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: Oh, it'll take to get a fish.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: But it's not a fish.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: It's a fucking bus.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: It's huge. You're very motivated.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. But you've got to get through ribcages.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a thick enough plot to
• 1:23:18
  have a whole movie.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: If they can't deal with the script. Scott, this is
• 1:23:24
  the big one.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: We're greenlighting it.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: This is it. This is our jaws.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. The business sometimes just, oh, it's so bad.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: How long would it take you to carve your way
• 1:23:33
  out of a whale?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: It's an 80-foot sperm whale, and he's got less than
• 1:23:37
  an hour of oxygen. I don't think that's enough time.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's enough time.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: You don't got to crawl through 80 feet.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: I think if you kept cutting it up, it might
• 1:23:47
  throw up. If you kept cutting the inside of his tongue,
• 1:23:51
  just kept slashing and all that, he might just throw
• 1:23:54
  you up.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: He might recognize there's something wrong. Like you would. Like
• 1:23:59
  if something was... If you put something in your mouth
• 1:24:00
  and started biting your tongue, you'd be like... You'd try
• 1:24:03
  to get rid of it. I would imagine the whale
• 1:24:04
  would do that too. I'd just start fucking up his tongue.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Also... They'll keep you from getting digested. Just stab them
• 1:24:11
  and just pull yourself forward and then stab them again.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: You have an exit plan.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: You've got a plan. You're not going to cut your
• 1:24:17
  way out. I just think there's too much bone. I
• 1:24:20
  don't think you're going to make it through that bone.
• 1:24:22
  Unless you go through, I don't even know where you
• 1:24:25
  would go. Like the neck. I could figure out how
• 1:24:28
  to get through on an elk. I would go that way.
• 1:24:30
  I would go where the holes are. There's holes back
• 1:24:33
  here where the guts are. And there's holes up here,
• 1:24:37
  you know, like where you'd shoot him if you're shooting
• 1:24:39
  a frontal.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: They're not going to cast you in this movie. They're like, no,
• 1:24:42
  he's getting out too quick. I don't think I'm getting
• 1:24:44
  out quick.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: I think I'm dying of no air. I don't think
• 1:24:46
  I'm going to make it.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Let's look at the anatomy of a sperm whale here.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: You're going to be somewhere down here. See, I want
• 1:24:52
  to get out through the neck. See right there? That's
• 1:24:54
  where I want to get out. All that stuff.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: Just go to the bottom.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not. It's going to take too long
• 1:25:00
  for you to get through all those.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: No, you go right to the sphincter and just, like,
• 1:25:03
  you know, open the little bit more.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Right through the butthole. Yeah, just convince him to digest quickly. No,
• 1:25:08
  there's too much traveling. Okay? You're going to want to
• 1:25:12
  go through where you came in.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: You don't want to go through the intestines that part,
• 1:25:15
  do you?
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: No. And also, you're dealing with acids. They're going to burn.
• 1:25:18
  And I think you want to cut through the front.
• 1:25:21
  So I think as he's swallowing you, you've got to
• 1:25:23
  dig in. And you got to make your way through
• 1:25:26
  the bottom of his jaw. You got to start cutting.
• 1:25:29
  And maybe you'll get out.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Who greenlit this movie? We need to find out.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Some crazy person. Maybe it's really good. Josh Brolin's
• 1:25:38
  in it. It probably kills. It actually came.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: From a pretty popular New York Times bestselling novel.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a pretty good story. They made a movie
• 1:25:47
  out of it.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: There was a whale they spotted fairly recently that had
• 1:25:52
  a harpoon in it from the 1800s.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Yeah. That's alive?
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: It was alive.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: And it had this harpoon embedded in it. See if
• 1:26:02
  you can find that story. That's wild.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Might be some Instagram horseshit. 2007, but.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fairly recently. I remember. They found this whale and
• 1:26:12
  they recognized that the harpoon was from the 1800s. Yeah, 2007.
• 1:26:17
  Native Alaskan whalers near Barrow, Alaska, made a remarkable discovery,
• 1:26:22
  a 50-foot bowhead whale found with a metal fragment of
• 1:26:24
  a late 19th century bomb lance, an explosive harpoon embedded
• 1:26:29
  in its neck. The artifact traced to New Bedford, Massachusetts,
• 1:26:34
  the explosive harpoon was patented in 1879 and manufactured in
• 1:26:39
  the late 1880s. So the whales aged by surviving the
• 1:26:45
  initial attack, whale lived for over a century with the
• 1:26:48
  metal tip lodged safely in its thick blubber. The extraordinary
• 1:26:53
  survival story helped biologists prove that bowhead whales can live
• 1:26:57
  for 100 to over 200 years.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: Did the whale get shot near Massachusetts or did they
• 1:27:02
  travel to Alaska with that device?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: That's a good question. Well, they were probably whaling in
• 1:27:10
  Massachusetts a lot, so they probably made good tech like
• 1:27:15
  East Coast manufacturing, and then they probably shipped it off
• 1:27:19
  to Alaska. There's not as many people up there. So
• 1:27:22
  they probably didn't have as much manufacturing. So I'd imagine
• 1:27:26
  they– In the 1870s? Yeah. They would ship things by train.
• 1:27:31
  They would ship things by train and boats.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: I mean they always had that. They always had trade.
• 1:27:36
  You could always ship things. Not easy. But if you
• 1:27:39
  wanted to get guns, like say if there was– if
• 1:27:43
  the army was in California in the 1800s, they had
• 1:27:46
  to get guns, and they would get the guns shipped
• 1:27:48
  to them. They'd either carry the guns with them as
• 1:27:51
  they made their way across the country, or they can
• 1:27:52
  get them shipped to them.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to... I shot a movie in Iceland. Oh, God, 20...
• 1:27:57
  It feels like 20 years. I think it was 20
• 1:27:59
  years ago.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: What was it? The movie?
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: It was called Flags of Our Fathers, and it was
• 1:28:05
  also World War II. And, you know, the whaling sort
• 1:28:11
  of trade was... It wasn't looked at in the same
• 1:28:16
  way I think Americans look at whaling. They're like, oh,
• 1:28:19
  my God, how dare you?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: They look at it as normal.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was really interesting.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: They had to stay alive. Yeah.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's like, where do you draw the line?
• 1:28:28
  Everyone's got this like, oh, you can't kill this, but
• 1:28:31
  I can have my tuna tartare.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: Listen, dude, if you live in Iceland, whaling is on
• 1:28:35
  the menu.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Because you need to stay alive, like especially way back
• 1:28:39
  in the day oh yeah there was not a lot
• 1:28:41
  of resources in iceland you know they have a fermented
• 1:28:45
  shark dish in iceland that they're it's very popular that
• 1:28:49
  bourdain told me was the single most fucking disgusting thing
• 1:28:52
  he's ever eaten really and it's a delicacy like they
• 1:28:54
  all love it see if you can find This fermented
• 1:28:57
  shark thing that they eat.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: That whale was an interesting question, kind of like what
• 1:29:04
  I asked. It was even older. There's like another problem
• 1:29:07
  is that that device would have been used up by 1890,
• 1:29:10
  it says, because they were very popular. I don't know
• 1:29:13
  how specifically it would have gotten in that whale.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: It says what you don't know. is if some Yankee
• 1:29:20
  whaler had a harpoon made in 1830, traded it to
• 1:29:23
  an Inuit, and then the Inuit or his offspring used
• 1:29:25
  it 40 years later. But because the bomb lance was
• 1:29:28
  patented and stocks were used up quickly, Boxtos and his
• 1:29:34
  colleagues identified a narrow window, which they believe the whale
• 1:29:37
  was shot, somewhere between 1885 and 1895. Biologists in Alaska
• 1:29:43
  will now try to verify the estimate by examining the
• 1:29:45
  lens of the whale's eyes.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: Whales generally become cloudy. Their eyes become cloudy as they age.
• 1:29:52
  Found only in Arctic waters, the bowhead was in danger
• 1:29:55
  of being hunted to extinction at the turn of the century,
• 1:29:57
  but bounced back after demand for whalebone corsets plummeted. Holy shit, dude.
• 1:30:06
  That was it? Whalebone corsets were killing all the... Imagine
• 1:30:10
  the whales. They're like, why are they killing us? Are
• 1:30:12
  they eating us? Like, no, these chicks, they just want
• 1:30:15
  to suck their waist in tight. Guys think that's hot.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: No, no. They can't be serious, right? That's what they
• 1:30:20
  made them out of? Yeah.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. So it had like spines from the whale bones.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: So that's what it looked like?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: Like a core?
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: They turned it into almost like a strap?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: Whale bone.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: That's whale bone?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: That is a strange....
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: Imagine having to figure that out. Why wouldn't they just
• 1:30:42
  use wood?
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Steel boning versus synthetic whale bone.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: They probably ate the whales, and then they were like, oh, look,
• 1:30:47
  there's excess bone we can use.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they probably just had the bone and
• 1:30:52
  realized it was kind of flexible.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: Well, no, this says whale bones weren't even made from
• 1:30:55
  bone at all.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: I went to my buddy's cattle processing plant in California,
• 1:31:01
  and they use everything. Really? I mean, everything. They use
• 1:31:09
  the part of the heart, I believe. Oh, it's an organ.
• 1:31:15
  I can't remember. They use it in medical operations. They
• 1:31:19
  pull it out, and then they send it on ice.
• 1:31:22
  They use it for some patching of the heart thing.
• 1:31:25
  I mean, down to everything, hooves, everything.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: And it's actually fascinating to see. And you're like, oh,
• 1:31:32
  this is super efficient. This uses for a lot of
• 1:31:36
  different applications, for hide, for— all kinds of stuff, which
• 1:31:39
  makes sense because it's all valuable. Why would you not
• 1:31:42
  use it all?
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: And it makes people feel better. If you know that
• 1:31:44
  the whale is being completely harvested, like every completely, everything
• 1:31:48
  is used.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you have a connection, that's really the
• 1:31:53
  best way to get food. If you have a connection
• 1:31:56
  with a really good ranch and they're real ethical and
• 1:31:58
  it's all grass fed meat and animals are raised on
• 1:32:01
  a pasture, like they're supposed to be, even the way.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: They slaughtered him at this place was super, it was
• 1:32:06
  really gentle. They, and that was their whole thing. It's like,
• 1:32:09
  We're taking a soul. But this is part of life, right?
• 1:32:13
  Life eats life. And the way they did it was
• 1:32:16
  really painless. And it was just boom, boom. And then
• 1:32:18
  it was super well done.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: Was it No Country for Old Men style? Oh, the
• 1:32:23
  air bullet thing?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the bolt through the head?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: It goes right to the foot.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: Apparently that just shuts the lights off.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Shuts the lights off quick, and then they bleed them out.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: How badass was that motherfucker in that movie?
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: Javier?
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: Javier was so good. good in that movie. It might
• 1:32:37
  be one of the single best performances I've ever seen
• 1:32:40
  in a movie.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Because you believed him. Yeah. You believed him when he's
• 1:32:45
  making that dude flip that quarter.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Oof. You know, he's, I mean, he gives you the chills.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: That hair, that weird haircut.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Weird haircut. Oh. And, but it's just the commitment to
• 1:32:57
  being a psycho. Like that dude's got some darkness in
• 1:33:00
  his eyes.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: Look at.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: That weird haircut. Crazy haircut.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: God, he just.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Javier is a bad motherfucker, dude. There's something about his
• 1:33:12
  bad guys that are like this Cape Fear role that
• 1:33:15
  he's in now.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen it either, but the fucking trailer made
• 1:33:19
  me uncomfortable just seeing him in the trailer. Yeah, he's
• 1:33:21
  a good creep. He plays a real good psycho. Yeah.
• 1:33:26
  You know, there's some dudes where you're like, I believe it.
• 1:33:29
  And some guys, you're like, come on, man. You're a
• 1:33:31
  nice guy.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Also, the original Cape Fear. I mean, Robert De Niro
• 1:33:37
  in the original Cape Fear, man.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: You've played bad guys. Do you have a problem playing
• 1:33:41
  bad guys? Is it hard for you to get into it? Like,
• 1:33:44
  what is more challenging for you? Like, to play a
• 1:33:47
  bad guy or to play, like, the World War II thing,
• 1:33:50
  you've got to play someone from a different era, which
• 1:33:52
  I would imagine has its own challenges. Sure. But is
• 1:33:54
  it hard for you?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Because you're so nice.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Do you have a hard time when you play bad guys?
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: Well, I got to do it for Guy Ritchie, which
• 1:34:01
  was like, you know, the ultimate, right?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: He rules.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: And Wrath of Man. And it was actually kind of liberating,
• 1:34:08
  kind of fun. You could sort of do things you're
• 1:34:13
  not supposed to. You know, you could like act out
• 1:34:15
  on your impulses a little bit. You know, you think
• 1:34:18
  of something fucked up in your head and you're like,
• 1:34:20
  why did I think that?
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to punch that person in the face.
• 1:34:24
  Why did I think that? You kind of like, you know,
• 1:34:27
  to like a lesser extent, you obviously aren't doing everything,
• 1:34:31
  but you, you could kind of like revel in your
• 1:34:33
  own like messed up thinking. Um, but I don't, I
• 1:34:38
  don't love doing it to be honest. I think, uh,
• 1:34:42
  I think I want to do it very selectively. Like,
• 1:34:45
  I mean, for Guy Ritchie, I'll do anything, right? He's,
• 1:34:47
  I think he's one of the best, best, best ever.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Look at you.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so, you know, I was, I had to
• 1:34:53
  kill a kid there, and I had to just do
• 1:34:54
  the dirty work and get it done.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: You even look evil there. Like, something's different.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: Look at your face. Doesn't even look like you.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: You look evil. You look, like, genuinely evil.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was tying up loose ends there.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: Is it, when you're doing that, when you're playing an
• 1:35:11
  evil guy, are you thinking evil? A little.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: Look, I mean, at the end of the day, it's
• 1:35:16
  a job. I know. I treat it as a job.
• 1:35:19
  I'm not one of these crazy psychos that, like, Like
• 1:35:22
  let things become distorted in your mind.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: When you pretend you're Abraham Lincoln for six months.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah. I mean, I believe him.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Daniel Day.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Like I believe him. So I don't know. Maybe, you know,
• 1:35:33
  maybe I, you know, if you want to be the best,
• 1:35:35
  I think it comes with a price and that price sanity.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: A little bit of sanity. You got to give it up.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: My dad was never like that. He was like, it's
• 1:35:46
  a job. Like go to work. do the best you
• 1:35:48
  can put in the reps, make sure you're, you know,
• 1:35:51
  you're shit and you come prepared and you have some,
• 1:35:53
  something interesting, but I can leave it at the door, man.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: You know, you see people like their minds get twisted
• 1:35:58
  and we deal in with artists, right? Artists are, it
• 1:36:03
  can be special sometimes.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And they take themselves very seriously. Yeah. Um, but
• 1:36:08
  there's also a certain amount of, you have to be
• 1:36:12
  thinking about how that character would think, right? If you're
• 1:36:15
  really going to pull it off and you really did
• 1:36:17
  pull it off. So you had to be having some thoughts.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Some, I would love to.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Talk to you. I was like, it was a, it
• 1:36:23
  was a greedy role. Yeah. And I was like, I
• 1:36:26
  kind of let the greed take over, which is a little,
• 1:36:30
  which is a little scary.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: So do you have to think like a greedy guy
• 1:36:33
  before the, like, like when you're getting ready for a scene,
• 1:36:36
  like how do you get your head in that space?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: A lot of, a lot of, manifesting sort of those
• 1:36:43
  thoughts and emotions. Like, what do I fucking do? I'm
• 1:36:45
  going to fucking take whatever the fuck I want right now.
• 1:36:48
  So you sort of, you know, you play that, but
• 1:36:53
  then you've got to let it go. At the end
• 1:36:55
  of the day, man, you've got to let it go.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: You've got to be like, all right, cool, that was
• 1:36:58
  that thing. And then... It's got to be slippery, right?
• 1:37:02
  I think it can be if you don't have... if
• 1:37:06
  you value this career too preciously and you don't realize, Hey,
• 1:37:12
  we're telling stories.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: It's fun.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I'm so grateful. I've gotten to do it. Um, but
• 1:37:19
  it doesn't define me. It might've made me, but it's
• 1:37:22
  not going to break me.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I have other interests and other things. And I know
• 1:37:27
  there's other important shit out there that I could do
• 1:37:29
  in this life. I think you have to have that
• 1:37:33
  level of thinking because if you think this is I mean,
• 1:37:38
  it's too extreme. It's like extreme what we were talking
• 1:37:40
  about before. It can get too– it's not healthy.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people have problems after roles are done.
• 1:37:48
  Like apparently Jim Carrey really struggled after he played Andy Kaufman.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: I'd like to talk to him about that because it
• 1:37:55
  seems like he got– from all accounts, the people that
• 1:37:59
  work with him on the film, he got so into
• 1:38:02
  that character. But he was like being Andy Kaufman all
• 1:38:05
  the time.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we heard a lot of counts. It was like
• 1:38:07
  they were like, dude, you got to chill.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: You got to chill.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've worked with some that have taken it
• 1:38:16
  to the level.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said Jared Leto did that when he was
• 1:38:18
  playing the Joker. The people were like, hey, man, stop.
• 1:38:21
  Stop sending me dead birds.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Rats.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dead rats. Shia LaBeouf. Yeah.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: LaBeouf? LaBeouf?
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: I always get corrected.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Shia.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Shia.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot of those guys. They go
• 1:38:35
  into that rabbit hole and they can't crawl out.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: It's just, I think just having... Also, it's like frontal
• 1:38:41
  cortex being defined, right? Like you get famous too early
• 1:38:45
  when you didn't, you know, I was, I worked as
• 1:38:47
  a valet. I worked as a bar bag. I frigging
• 1:38:49
  did all these shitty jobs that, you know, you kind
• 1:38:53
  of like, Oh no, I understand like how the real
• 1:38:55
  world operates. You get famous too early. You get stunted
• 1:38:58
  in your growth. And I truly believe that. I think
• 1:39:01
  so too.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: And I think it's a real crime when they do it.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: To little kids. It's a hundred percent.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: They never make it out normal. No, I never met one.
• 1:39:10
  I've met some that are okay.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: Leo made it out.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he was a child actor.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: But he had good people around him. He had, you know,
• 1:39:18
  he's disciplined and he, yeah, he's got a good, like,
• 1:39:24
  sense of the world.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: But he always has, like, 20-year-old girlfriends. It's easy to
• 1:39:28
  be happy.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Isn't everything easy?
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: You're chilling on a yacht with 20-year-olds. I don't understand. Like,
• 1:39:36
  what do they even talk about? But at the end
• 1:39:38
  of the day, there's very few.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: Well, he did really, he really was famous. You were
• 1:39:43
  pretty young though. Yeah, really young.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: He might be the only one. But I mean, I
• 1:39:46
  guess Jodie Foster, she seems pretty put together. She doesn't
• 1:39:49
  seem like she's lost her fucking marbles. But then you
• 1:39:52
  see the Britney Spears of the world and these other
• 1:39:54
  people and you go, oh man, I don't think that
• 1:39:56
  was really good for them.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: There's, I think also Corey Feldman. You see these people
• 1:40:02
  that were like huge movie stars and they're young. And
• 1:40:04
  as they're getting older, it's like, I don't think they're
• 1:40:06
  doing good. I think their head's.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: All fucked up. Yeah, well, you place too much value
• 1:40:12
  on that, too, and then it goes away.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: Where's your identity?
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: I had Macaulay Culkin in here. He was very interesting.
• 1:40:19
  Very nice guy. Like, very smart guy. Interesting guy. But
• 1:40:22
  he struggles. You know, it's like he realizes he was
• 1:40:27
  sort of robbed of a normal childhood.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: Became famous as a little kid, man. Home alone, he
• 1:40:33
  was little. Yeah.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: My dad, I mean, kudos to my dad because he,
• 1:40:37
  He did a really good job of protecting us from
• 1:40:39
  that and very private. We didn't live in L.A. We
• 1:40:44
  lived in Carmel. It was as normal as it could be,
• 1:40:52
  but in the sense that he was like, no, you
• 1:40:56
  need to be a normal child and learn how the
• 1:40:59
  world works.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Carmel is beautiful, man.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: It is. Nice place to grow up. Yeah. They say
• 1:41:06
  newlywed and nearly dead. Right?
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. People get married there and then
• 1:41:11
  they fucking go there to die. Yeah. It's so true.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: It's a little slow for me. But it's beautiful. I
• 1:41:18
  do appreciate it.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: But they have annoying homeowners associations.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: You were at the thing and you didn't know what
• 1:41:27
  you were supposed to do.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: This is off-white. This is not white. Your fence is
• 1:41:32
  the wrong color.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Fucking get a life.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: Well, old people love to control their neighborhood. They get
• 1:41:40
  horrible on those homeowners associations. Old people who are really
• 1:41:44
  into controlling the neighborhood, like, ugh.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: I'm, like, so bored with that story. I'm like, God,
• 1:41:50
  can you just be different? Can you just surprise me
• 1:41:54
  with something else, you know? Yeah.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: And old people like to live around other old people, too.
• 1:41:58
  Makes them feel comfortable. They don't want to be around parties,
• 1:42:01
  you know?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: So that's why Carmel calls out to them. And if
• 1:42:04
  you keep the real estate price high, great. Now you've
• 1:42:07
  got old people living around old rich people. Rich people, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:10
  The most fun. They're the most fun.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: They're the most fun.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They're the most entitled.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: They think they can tell you the most what to
• 1:42:21
  do because they're used to telling everybody what to do.
• 1:42:25
  But still, Carmel, fucking beautiful. Beautiful part of the country.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: That coast.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: And also.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: Sharks.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: Sharks.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: Out there, a lot of great whites.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: A lot of sharks.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: They're all over the place up there. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: But California, man, is one of the most beautiful places
• 1:42:42
  on earth. It has so much variation. You got deserts.
• 1:42:46
  You got the beach. You got mountains. You got everything.
• 1:42:49
  All in this one beautiful state. Yeah.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Everyone was, I mean, even in the development of our country,
• 1:42:55
  I was like everyone was going out west because it
• 1:42:57
  was so prestigious. It was like, oh, the gold rush
• 1:43:01
  and getting out west.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: And then California, really LA, it was the movie industry.
• 1:43:06
  That's really what made it.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: It's kind of sad now because it's, they've completely driven
• 1:43:11
  it out. I mean, you still have TV shows.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Barely have TV shows.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: Barely.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Barely.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: It's brutal. It's brutal.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Do you still live there?
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: You live out here now? Yeah.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: I kind of, I tell people I live on the
• 1:43:25
  road because that's essentially where I am. You know, I was,
• 1:43:29
  I was Atlanta. I was here. I was there. I
• 1:43:32
  was in, Italy making a movie.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing about film, right? Like, they're never...
• 1:43:37
  How many films get filmed in Los Angeles these days?
• 1:43:39
  It's not even beneficial to live there. I've never.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever worked on... Maybe I've worked
• 1:43:44
  on one film, but it was for a week, and
• 1:43:47
  we shot the rest of it somewhere else. Yeah. They
• 1:43:50
  make it so hard for people now. It's so stupid. Yeah,
• 1:43:53
  it's rough. It's rough. It's sad because film is inherently...
• 1:44:01
  like Hollywood is, is inherently something that we've produced out
• 1:44:05
  of California, out of America. And it's like to see that, uh,
• 1:44:10
  just get completely blown up. I know.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: Like an industry. Oh, do you have friends still live
• 1:44:15
  back there?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Tons of California friends. And you know, I look,
• 1:44:22
  I was never, I don't have a lot of industry friends.
• 1:44:28
  I had, I do have some, but, Actors like sometimes
• 1:44:31
  aren't my people. They're just not.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: I just– I don't know. Like I don't want to
• 1:44:39
  intellectualize about it. I don't want to talk about acting.
• 1:44:41
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 3: It's like cool.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: It's just something I do but it doesn't define me.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: Some of them are just– they're so self-important. Yeah. And
• 1:44:51
  it's not even almost not their fault almost because they're
• 1:44:54
  getting their asses kissed all the time. They're on sets
• 1:44:56
  and people are trying to get them bagels and coffee
• 1:44:58
  and everyone's always catering to them. So they start feeling
• 1:45:01
  like they deserve that from the world.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: It just gets real weird.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: It gets weird. There's a lot of deep insecurity in
• 1:45:09
  that industry, right?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: It's masked by like false security, right? Like it's like,
• 1:45:17
  I'm the man.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: I'm tougher.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: I'm this thing. You build this ego up and you're like, dude,
• 1:45:24
  like we're just doing a job here. and you get
• 1:45:26
  to sit and shut the fuck up.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: It's just the attention that you get. You know, you
• 1:45:30
  get so much attention from the world that you start
• 1:45:32
  thinking you're important. And, you know, it's natural, natural for
• 1:45:36
  human beings, but especially even more natural for people that
• 1:45:39
  pretend to be someone else for a living.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: No, and like some of the accountability, man, in the
• 1:45:44
  industry is unbelievable. You know, I just worked with somebody
• 1:45:48
  that I think was just, without saying any names, but,
• 1:45:53
  you know, just maybe 20, You know, people just get
• 1:45:56
  like too famous for too long. They think the world
• 1:45:58
  owes them something. And then when it comes to like
• 1:46:01
  doing the right thing, you're like, dude, you could just,
• 1:46:05
  it's black and white. Do the right thing. Don't be
• 1:46:08
  a piece of shit. You, you can't do that. That's
• 1:46:12
  unacceptable behavior. And they're like, fuck that. I can do a,
• 1:46:15
  and you're just like, what dude?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Exactly. You could, you could
• 1:46:19
  say a name and then we'll edit it out. Want
• 1:46:21
  to do that?
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I just, you know, We started working on
• 1:46:24
  a film with a director, and they decided after we
• 1:46:29
  had spent a bunch of money that they just didn't
• 1:46:33
  feel like they wanted to work with this other person
• 1:46:35
  and didn't want to do the job, do the thing.
• 1:46:39
  And so I was like, okay, well, you need to
• 1:46:40
  pay that money back now to that person who invested
• 1:46:43
  in you. And they're like, I'm not going to do that.
• 1:46:46
  And it's like, well, yeah, you do.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: That's the right thing to do.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: So they decided they didn't want to work with another person?
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't want to work with another person after
• 1:46:55
  we started pre-production on the film.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: So they're trying to get the person kicked off the movie?
• 1:47:01
  Or were they leaving?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: They just left. It was their directorial, their story, their thing.
• 1:47:06
  It was just like, bro, you took money from somebody.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: That's also a good way to get sued. It seems
• 1:47:12
  like a person can get sued pretty easy for that.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just the bigger.
• 1:47:19
  The bigger thing is just– I've seen some behavior in
• 1:47:22
  this business that is shocking. That would not go in.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Other industries.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: But for some reason because.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: Because they're stars, right? Yeah.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: You're like, what?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: There's also the thing– there's a thing that some people
• 1:47:35
  want to be a star so they can behave like that.
• 1:47:38
  They want to be a star so they can order
• 1:47:39
  people around or just do whatever the fuck they want
• 1:47:41
  to do and just be unpredictable and wild. They actually
• 1:47:44
  enjoy that aspect of being famous.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. To be honest, I never– I really didn't, like,
• 1:47:52
  people think they want to be famous. You don't want
• 1:47:54
  to be famous. You don't want to be famous. Rich. Sure.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Rich is better.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Rich is better. But to be, like, that goal is
• 1:48:03
  so twisted. It's not, like, I love telling stories, and
• 1:48:08
  when we're doing a creative endeavor, and you move people,
• 1:48:11
  whether you make them laugh, make them cry, whatever, but
• 1:48:15
  the whole other side of that is, like, just really ugly.
• 1:48:18
  And it's, I think. I was lucky in some ways
• 1:48:21
  because I got to see it growing up and got
• 1:48:23
  to see like how it's bullshit.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: Um right when your dad's one of the most famous
• 1:48:28
  movie stars of all time yeah and he's just your
• 1:48:30
  dad yeah you go oh this is bullshit it's bullshit
• 1:48:34
  yeah complete bullshit and also your dad is not like
• 1:48:36
  a guy who gives into that stuff either yeah he's
• 1:48:39
  not a guy who worships that kind of fame or
• 1:48:42
  is not interested in that at all.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Not at all. He's just like, put your boots on,
• 1:48:47
  go to work, man. It happens to be in a
• 1:48:49
  creative endeavor, which is really cool and gets to use that,
• 1:48:53
  you know, use that muscle.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: But did you hesitate at all about getting into acting
• 1:48:58
  because your dad was so famous on it? Sure.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: I think I was always like, I think I was
• 1:49:03
  always like, Hey, I love telling stories. I love watching movies.
• 1:49:07
  I love this. I don't know if exactly I wanted
• 1:49:10
  to ever be just an actor. It wasn't like, oh,
• 1:49:14
  that's my thing. But you loved film. I loved the
• 1:49:17
  storytelling of it, and that was like a conduit in.
• 1:49:20
  I'm doing other things in film now, producing, and I
• 1:49:23
  do want to direct. It'd be nice to show up
• 1:49:27
  with my own clothes to work.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: Wear this, wear here.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: But also, film's a director's medium. It's not really an
• 1:49:36
  actor's medium. You need actors. It's part of the deal,
• 1:49:38
  but the making of a film goes way beyond the
• 1:49:41
  filming of a film. You know, there's a film made in,
• 1:49:44
  in script and development. There's a film made while you're
• 1:49:47
  shooting it. And there's a film made in editing. Have
• 1:49:50
  you ever directed anything before? I've, you know, I've done in,
• 1:49:55
  in a creative capacity where I've been a producer, I've
• 1:50:01
  had hand in directing, but not like, Hey, that's my,
• 1:50:05
  that's my name on the, on the thing. And I'm
• 1:50:07
  super proud of it. I, I just haven't found the
• 1:50:09
  right material to go on, to go out and kind
• 1:50:12
  of schlep around.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: Do you write? No, no.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: And I, I, I, it's a backbone of the industry, right?
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you could write your own thing.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know how I like when, like the
• 1:50:25
  discipline to do it for like, for what you do
• 1:50:28
  is it's, it's tough, you know, like you have to
• 1:50:33
  thought to paper.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: It's that doesn't interest you.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: It does in a sense. I just don't like sitting.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: I am really good at collaborating and talking about material
• 1:50:48
  and saying, what about this? What if he said this?
• 1:50:51
  What if he did this? What about this? Can we
• 1:50:52
  go this way? So I think writing partner.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe you can have a writing partner.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe you have a writing partner, someone who you jive
• 1:50:59
  with that's creative and you guys can get together and
• 1:51:01
  you can come up with your own idea. That way
• 1:51:04
  you have like material that is exciting for you and
• 1:51:07
  you can direct that. Because I would imagine if you're
• 1:51:10
  even working with guys like Guy Ritchie and all these
• 1:51:12
  directors you work with, you've got a chance to see
• 1:51:15
  the discipline in the highest level. You get to see
• 1:51:19
  those guys do it. You get to see how they
• 1:51:21
  piece it together. It must be fascinating.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: It is. And everyone has a different way of going
• 1:51:27
  about it. Guy Ritchie, here's the thing about Guy Ritchie.
• 1:51:30
  You learn the script, then you show up, and he
• 1:51:33
  just throws it out the window and goes, you say this,
• 1:51:37
  you do that, you do this. And then you're like, okay.
• 1:51:40
  And so if you're not, it doesn't work for everybody.
• 1:51:42
  Some people can't handle that heat. I love it. I'm like,
• 1:51:45
  this is awesome. Let's do, let's, what is it? Okay,
• 1:51:48
  let's go.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: So meaning he wants you to improvise. He wants you
• 1:51:52
  to talk like a real person.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that it's, it's improvising. It's more, he's
• 1:51:57
  seeing the movie. He's wearing multiple hats. So he's seeing
• 1:52:00
  the movie, what he's already shot. And then he's like,
• 1:52:02
  I actually don't want that scene. I want him to
• 1:52:05
  say this and this. He kind of like is molding
• 1:52:07
  the movie.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: In real time.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: In real time. And then what he'll do is he'll
• 1:52:11
  go back to his trailer. They have like a blacked
• 1:52:14
  out trailer and they'll watch the movie and they'll radio
• 1:52:19
  in and say, hey, say it like this or do
• 1:52:22
  it like this or do it one more time. So
• 1:52:25
  he's kind of like watching the movie as an audience member.
• 1:52:30
  It's really interesting.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Is he the only one you know that does it
• 1:52:32
  that way?
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Yes. 100%. And then you have guys like my dad
• 1:52:36
  who would never do that. They would, they wouldn't even,
• 1:52:39
  they're just, they like right there just going, okay.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: Have you heard Matt Damon's story?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: Um, which one?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: Matt Damon was, uh, working with your dad and he
• 1:52:49
  did a take and, uh, and he liked it, but
• 1:52:52
  he wanted to do it again. Cause we do it again.
• 1:52:54
  Clint's like, no, we got it.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: He's like, but I've been fucking working forever on this thing.
• 1:52:59
  I want one more go at it. He's like, we
• 1:53:01
  got it. Yeah.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: And he probably said something like, well, if you want
• 1:53:04
  to waste everyone's time, sure. And then Matt's like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:53:10
  We're good.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: We're good. We're good.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: We're good. Oh, so funny. Yeah.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. Yeah. Um, whatever Guy Ritchie's process is,
• 1:53:21
  it works.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: It works.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: His fucking shows, his movies are some of my all
• 1:53:25
  time favorites. Right from the beginning, right from lock stock
• 1:53:28
  and two smoking barrels and snatched. Holy shit. His movies
• 1:53:32
  are so good. And he really did such a fantastic
• 1:53:36
  job of, Almost like he's like the benchmark for that
• 1:53:43
  genre of like British crime genre. Yes. That's him.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: That's him.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: You think of British crime drama. Oh, Guy Ritchie. Guy
• 1:53:51
  Ritchie movie. Like there's this dude. His name is Lee Murray.
• 1:53:54
  Lee Murray, he was a UFC fighter. He was famous
• 1:53:58
  in London in England for being like a street fighter
• 1:54:01
  and a crazy guy who was fighting in MMA at
• 1:54:04
  a really high level, like one in the UFC. And
• 1:54:07
  then– was a part of the biggest armed robbery in
• 1:54:11
  the history.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Of the UK. No way.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. This guy was a full-on psycho.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: He was a gangster.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, full gangster. He was such a gangster that he
• 1:54:19
  got stabbed in the heart in a street fight, and
• 1:54:22
  they made a video of him hitting Mitt six weeks later.
• 1:54:25
  Six weeks later, he's back in the gym.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: Pop, pop, pop. Pop, pop, pop.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: He was a crazy person. I got to see him
• 1:54:31
  fight in real life. He actually knocked out a friend
• 1:54:33
  of mine in the first round.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: He got arrested.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: For this crime. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's still in jail.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: He's still in prison.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: He's still in jail. He'll be in jail for probably
• 1:54:40
  the rest of his life. They stole an enormous amount
• 1:54:42
  of money. And they did it, like, in a very high-tech, like,
• 1:54:46
  the movie heat. Like, that crazy. Like, they had full
• 1:54:50
  masks on, armored, fucking body armor, the whole deal. And
• 1:54:56
  how much did they steal?
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: 53 million pounds, which is 92 million dollars.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's the biggest armed robbery in Britain's history.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: Did they hurt people doing it?
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: They didn't hug them. They didn't help them. I don't
• 1:55:11
  know if he killed them.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just wondering.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: The largest peacetime cash robbery in world history.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: So it's worth $ 92 million. Damn. 53 million pounds back then.
• 1:55:22
  So that was in 2006. So this is after he
• 1:55:25
  had been in the UFC. So I called this fight
• 1:55:29
  in the UFC. I was doing commentary back then. Wow.
• 1:55:33
  They left over 150 million behind, 150 million pounds, because
• 1:55:36
  they ran out of room in their transport vehicles. Holy shit.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: How did they get caught?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: Only about 21 million pounds of the stolen cash has
• 1:55:44
  ever been recovered. So somebody made away with more than
• 1:55:47
  30 million pounds. So he flew to Morocco. Murray and
• 1:55:51
  several associates fled to Morocco because he held dual British
• 1:55:55
  Moroccan citizenship, and Morocco did not have an extradition treaty
• 1:55:59
  with the UK. He evaded British authorities. Moroccan police arrested
• 1:56:04
  Murray in June of 2006 in a shopping mall in
• 1:56:07
  Rabat following an international manhunt. Instead of being extradited, he
• 1:56:12
  was tried in Morocco. After initially being sentenced to 10 years,
• 1:56:16
  Moroccan appeals court extended his sentence to 25 years in
• 1:56:20
  prison for his role in forming a criminal gang, kidnapping,
• 1:56:24
  and armed robbery. So, like, when this guy got arrested
• 1:56:27
  and when everyone's hearing the story, everybody was saying, that
• 1:56:30
  guy's got to be a Guy Ritchie movie.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: That's how much Guy Ritchie has locked down that genre.
• 1:56:37
  And I think there was some talk. Is there talk
• 1:56:40
  about Guy Ritchie doing a movie on the Lee Murray heist?
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: Something came out in Chasing Lightning.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: He came out already?
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: He probably will.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: He didn't make that.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: But something came out. It's like a miniseries about it.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, about the heist? But has Guy Ritchie been connected
• 1:56:59
  to a movie about it? Because I know a bunch
• 1:57:01
  of people were talking about it, saying it has to
• 1:57:03
  be a Guy Ritchie movie. If you're going to really
• 1:57:05
  capture who this guy was, he was a real nut,
• 1:57:08
  like a real... World-class fighter.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: Who would play him? Give me the, because I don't
• 1:57:13
  know what he looks like.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: Jason Statham could probably nail it.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, then there it is.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: He's perfect for it.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: He's cast already.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he doesn't have the hair for it,
• 1:57:20
  because Lee Murray had a full head of hair, but
• 1:57:23
  it doesn't matter.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: It's been a rumor for a long time, but he
• 1:57:26
  instead did a True Crime docuseries called Diamond Heist instead,
• 1:57:30
  which is like a similar story, but it's not the
• 1:57:31
  same story at all.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. The story itself is so bananas. It's just
• 1:57:36
  the fact that this guy was this world-class MMA fighter
• 1:57:40
  who was also a robber, like a high-level bank robber.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't steal like $ 90 million without.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: Do they have footage of that robbery? Is there video
• 1:57:52
  footage of it? I feel like there's security footage of it,
• 1:57:54
  and they look nuts. I mean, it looks like a movie.
• 1:57:58
  It might be. Fucking masks on, everything, the whole deal.
• 1:58:03
  It's just... That, when you think about that kind of
• 1:58:06
  a guy and that kind of a story, I mean,
• 1:58:08
  that is right up Guy Ritchie's alley. He's like that
• 1:58:11
  show Mobland.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: God, that show is so good.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: It's good. It's so good.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: It's good.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so like, it's like a movie
• 1:58:20
  that's like seven hours long or however many episodes there are.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: It's great. It really is great.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: Who is your, who is, do you have a favorite
• 1:58:28
  guy that you've worked with?
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: He's got to be up. I mean, he's, yeah. If him,
• 1:58:33
  I got to, you know, I got to work with
• 1:58:36
  Oliver Stone.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: Which is like, you know, like sitting with the devil. Iconic. Oh, man.
• 1:58:47
  George Tillman Jr. is a great director. I don't know
• 1:58:49
  if you remember that movie, Men of Honor.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: Remember with Cuba Gooding Jr.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Sure.
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: He's a great director. Um, there's a lot of, there's, I've,
• 1:58:58
  I've gotten to, you know, work with some really cool,
• 1:58:59
  David Ayers, really interesting. Um, that guy's a tough, he,
• 1:59:03
  I don't know if you know his story, but he was,
• 1:59:06
  he's had a really dark past, but he, he was essentially,
• 1:59:09
  he lived on a submarine for like two years, like underwater. Whoa. Yeah. He's,
• 1:59:14
  I'm like, you got some screws loose if you lived
• 1:59:16
  on a submarine for two years.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: Underwater for two years and fuck you up for 200 years.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about getting how claustrophobic you could get. Like,
• 1:59:26
  I got to get out of this fucking thing.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: Get me out. You're squashing that part of your brain
• 1:59:30
  way too long. Yeah. I could do that for an hour.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I want to get in
• 1:59:36
  a submarine after I watched the tin can. They just exploded.
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, those people?
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, oh, that's not wise.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: When you watch the recreations of what must have happened
• 1:59:47
  to them, they were just liquefied instantaneously by the pressure
• 1:59:50
  of the ocean. That'd be a good way to go.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe better than a shark. Quick.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: It was like that.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but then people are talking about you like you're
• 1:59:56
  an idiot. Like you got in that stupid tin can.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: You're a billionaire idiot. Even worse.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: I can't go down like that.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: Think about all these fucking people that would love to
• 2:00:03
  have just a piece of your money so they could
• 2:00:05
  go have a margarita on the beach somewhere. I'm going
• 2:00:07
  to go to tin can.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: It's going to be great.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the bottom of the ocean
• 2:00:11
  and tell everybody. I look through a tiny window.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: Fuck you.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I had a conversation with Cameron and Cameron went,
• 2:00:19
  James Cameron went to the bottom of the fucking ocean
• 2:00:22
  by himself.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, that's not. There's so much wrong with that.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: He went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, right?
• 2:00:29
  I think he holds the world record for single-piloted submarine vehicle,
• 2:00:36
  the deepest depths.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: And also, I feel the same way about space. I'm
• 2:00:42
  a big Musk fan, but I don't have any desire, bro,
• 2:00:46
  to go to Mars or go to space.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: Have fun with that, bro.
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 1: Have fun.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: You do that. Yeah.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: I'm all good here on this planet.
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: It must be awesome to be just, I would like
• 2:00:56
  to be in earth's orbit once just to look down.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: I bet it's not like the fourth. That'd be cool.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: They say you have that experience. Like all these different
• 2:01:06
  astronauts have talked about it. It's the overview effect that you,
• 2:01:10
  when you're above earth looking down on it, it just,
• 2:01:12
  you like, Oh my God, we're so fragile. It's all
• 2:01:14
  just us together.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: We have to stop.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: We have to stop all this. Like you have this,
• 2:01:19
  Realization of what we really are and what we're really
• 2:01:21
  doing and how stupid tribal conflicts are.
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, yeah, World War.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: We just keep repeating the same cycle. It's sad, actually.
• 2:01:33
  It's sad because eventually it'll probably happen again, a world war.
• 2:01:39
  I mean, that's the, like, if you look at the math.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: It's kind of happening right now.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: It's like, what's going on, man? Are we going to
• 2:01:45
  keep doing this? I guess that's what we're doing.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: It's very disturbing. When you're playing a character in a
• 2:01:55
  period piece like that, what do you have to do
• 2:01:58
  in terms of like make sure you're behaving like they
• 2:02:00
  behaved and talking like they talked? Like did you have
• 2:02:03
  to watch film of those old people?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: You talk to a lot of people. In this case,
• 2:02:09
  this movie was about– geez, the guy's– Or, you know,
• 2:02:17
  most all passed away at this point. But I luckily
• 2:02:20
  got to meet a lot of veterans because I've done
• 2:02:24
  20 years of doing a few war movies. So I've
• 2:02:27
  gotten to meet these folks and talk to them and
• 2:02:30
  hear their stories. See, like, sometimes the pain in their
• 2:02:34
  eyes when they tell these stories. And you realize the
• 2:02:38
  gravity of what they're carrying and what they did for
• 2:02:42
  the world. There's so many heroes in World War II.
• 2:02:45
  You know, so many people that did so many things
• 2:02:47
  that affect, like, our way of life. I mean, and
• 2:02:50
  affect a lot of the world's way of life. I mean,
• 2:02:52
  all of France and most of Europe isn't speaking German
• 2:02:55
  because of what happened. And so you carry, like, that
• 2:03:00
  weight with you. It can be, if it's a real,
• 2:03:04
  if it's, you know, you know the person, you can
• 2:03:07
  watch tape on them, then you get that, like, luxury.
• 2:03:10
  But if you don't, then, you know, it's just, I
• 2:03:13
  think it's about carrying that weight with And just trying
• 2:03:18
  to be as true as you can to that. It
• 2:03:20
  comes with a cost doing these movies because not only
• 2:03:24
  you go and make them, but then you go and
• 2:03:25
  promote them. And you meet these people. I met one
• 2:03:29
  of the oldest living veterans the other night at the
• 2:03:32
  Washington Archives in D.C., 107 years old. Whoa. Colonel Stern.
• 2:03:38
  And got to hold his hand, you know, and really–
• 2:03:42
  quite clear, still headed. Like, I mean, like shockingly when
• 2:03:46
  he spoke to me, I was like, Oh my gosh.
• 2:03:48
  But you could feel that generation that you could feel
• 2:03:51
  that what he had been through. He had, he was,
• 2:03:55
  he was actually at the battle of the bulge.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: Whoa.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: And you're like, Oh, and then to him, have him
• 2:04:00
  tell us like, we got it right. And that's what
• 2:04:02
  it's like, you know, but like brought me to tears.
• 2:04:04
  I was like, I was like, kind of like, I
• 2:04:06
  was shook. So moments like that, it comes, you know,
• 2:04:10
  it's like, wow, this is, this is a great responsibility.
• 2:04:12
  tell this story.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: I can imagine having a conversation with a hundred and
• 2:04:17
  70 year old guy who's been through war and the
• 2:04:20
  war was.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: What, how many years ago? 1942.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: What is that? How many years ago was that?
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: Um, so he would probably put him in 20.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: Yes. So right.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: He would have been like 84. Yeah. So 84 years ago. Yeah.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: And it's still the most probably impactful thing that ever
• 2:04:39
  happened in his life. Imagine that. Imagine you're 107 years
• 2:04:42
  old and your life is kind of defined by something
• 2:04:46
  that happened 84 years ago.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's, it's, it's wild what they
• 2:04:52
  went through. I mean, imagine, I mean, if they're like, Hey,
• 2:04:56
  pack up Joe, Scott, like we're, we're going to wherever
• 2:05:00
  it is. Like, I don't know, wherever we're going right
• 2:05:03
  now and we're gonna have to kill people. And imagine
• 2:05:07
  the information you're getting.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: What are you getting, like newspaper articles and a radio broadcast?
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 3: What do you read?
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: A battalion commander during World War II, Stern. His name
• 2:05:19
  was Senator Radcliffe. What is his name? Herbert Irving Stern.
• 2:05:25
  That's his name. So it says a battalion commander during
• 2:05:29
  World War II. Stern was awarded the Silver Star Medal
• 2:05:31
  during the Battle of the Bulge for his actions in
• 2:05:34
  April of... 1945, while driving through Germany, Stern and his
• 2:05:38
  men discovered a concentration camp with 3,000 Jewish women. They
• 2:05:42
  liberated the camp, providing immediate relief to the prisoners and
• 2:05:45
  destroyed the facility. Wow.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? Like we have to celebrate these people,
• 2:05:51
  you know?
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine you're overseas, you're a kid, it's 1945
• 2:05:57
  and you liberate a camp of 3,000 Jewish women that
• 2:06:02
  are being imprisoned.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: It gives me chills just thinking about it.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, man.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been like 35 years old, 34 years old.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: Imagine if we could see what that guy's seen. I mean,
• 2:06:14
  I don't know if we want to. I mean, that
• 2:06:16
  would change your whole world. Like, look on the world, man.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: But you have to think that way, right? When you're
• 2:06:24
  playing these guys, you have to almost put yourself in
• 2:06:27
  their head. How hard is that? Like, what is that like?
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: It comes with, like I said, it comes with a cost. you,
• 2:06:34
  you go through an emotional journey. You, you pay a price.
• 2:06:40
  You have to lend your own emotion and own grief,
• 2:06:46
  whatever that is in your life. And you have to
• 2:06:48
  kind of relive some of that. And it's, it's part of,
• 2:06:51
  you know, going through what it would have been like to,
• 2:06:54
  to see some of these atrocities, to see what it's
• 2:06:57
  like to lose your best friend right beside you, to,
• 2:06:59
  lose people that are, you know, to see a concentration
• 2:07:02
  camp full of women that are, you know, probably skin
• 2:07:05
  and bones. And like, it's just, you know, it makes
• 2:07:08
  you just so, it makes me so grateful for what
• 2:07:11
  we have and where we're at.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: It's also, it's the human's capacity for evil when you're
• 2:07:19
  faced with it like that. It's, it's so disturbing that
• 2:07:21
  people are capable of doing things like that and that
• 2:07:24
  they still are, that they're still, I mean, to this day, right,
• 2:07:27
  right now, somewhere in the world, There's human beings committing
• 2:07:29
  atrocities and killing people. I know.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: It's brutal. It's brutal to think how savage we can become.
• 2:07:37
  And it's crazy because you think about it, it's like
• 2:07:41
  we're not far off. You take water away for 72
• 2:07:46
  hours and we're dead.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: So how quickly do we turn savage fighting each other
• 2:07:52
  if we don't have basic needs? Oh, yeah. Civilization is
• 2:07:57
  a very thin veneer.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: It's very thin.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: And it's very vulnerable. And I think most people are delusional.
• 2:08:04
  And they're very well fed. Very well fed and rested.
• 2:08:08
  And they don't have any idea how precarious this thing
• 2:08:12
  that we exist in is. I think when you're, I
• 2:08:15
  would imagine, when you're doing a World War II film
• 2:08:17
  or something like that, like you're forced to. You're forced
• 2:08:21
  to encounter that reality of the human condition. That sometimes,
• 2:08:25
  I mean, throughout history, that's kind of the defining moments
• 2:08:29
  of our past. When you think about the history of
• 2:08:32
  the world, really you're talking about the history of war.
• 2:08:35
  You're talking about the history of war and conquests, invasions
• 2:08:38
  and conquests. It's like the most of what we talk
• 2:08:40
  about when we talk about history. We talk about the
• 2:08:43
  various wars and what happened and what was the result
• 2:08:46
  and who was the king and who did this.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: What was it, over greed, resources? This war is really,
• 2:08:53
  I think, why it's so fascinating, why World War II
• 2:08:56
  is still so fascinating, is because there is no ambiguity
• 2:09:01
  between right and wrong in that war, really. What they
• 2:09:06
  were doing in Nazi Germany was terrifying. They were exterminating
• 2:09:12
  innocent people. And we came together as a world, a coalition,
• 2:09:18
  and fought that evil. And that is very different than
• 2:09:22
  a war like Vietnam where we're like, why are we here? Or,
• 2:09:25
  you know, you're questioning what, what is this just a
• 2:09:29
  politically motivated thing? No, this was like, this was to
• 2:09:32
  save people.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: And that is, that's very different.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: We think of that as our last great war. That
• 2:09:40
  is the, the world war two in most people's eyes
• 2:09:43
  is the last just war. Yeah. You know, we think of,
• 2:09:46
  It's like that's the one that needed to be gunned
• 2:09:48
  because it wasn't just evil people. It was evil people
• 2:09:51
  on meth, which is really crazy. I didn't know that
• 2:09:55
  until like a decade or two ago that they were
• 2:09:58
  all on meth. And then we had Norman Ohl. He
• 2:10:02
  wrote– Blitzt? How do I say his last name?
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: Ohler. Ohler, yeah.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Ohler. He wrote this book Blitzt and it's all about
• 2:10:10
  the Blitztkrieg when they went through– Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and
• 2:10:14
  Poland in like three days. And it was all meth.
• 2:10:18
  They just gave them meth.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was in the beginning of the war, right?
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 2: They had like 35 million doses of meth.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: That's nuts, man. That is nuts.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: And they gave the guys at the front of the
• 2:10:28
  lines the most meth. The guys in the tanks, like,
• 2:10:31
  you guys get the most meth. They wanted them just
• 2:10:33
  methed up, just driving for three days, killing everybody they see.
• 2:10:37
  And then when they ran into the people in France,
• 2:10:39
  they were all drinking wine. So, like, they're all chilling and, like,
• 2:10:43
  they just got.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: Fucked up, man. Yeah.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: It's just, it's not that long ago. That's what's really scary.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: It is. It's super scary. Also, what was crazy about
• 2:10:53
  this movie and, you know, I learn something new every
• 2:10:56
  time I do a war movie. I didn't realize there
• 2:11:01
  were German Americans living in America, like, had a life here.
• 2:11:08
  And when the war kicked off, there was a lot
• 2:11:10
  of them that went back to Germany and fought for Germany. Whoa.
• 2:11:14
  Can you imagine that?
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: How many?
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: Like thousands.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: Whoa. I didn't know that.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: That went back and like, you know, and then they
• 2:11:23
  were spies and they were, a lot of them spoke English.
• 2:11:27
  A lot of had the American culture, you know, they
• 2:11:29
  understood and they became like spies. And it was like,
• 2:11:33
  can you imagine doing that? Fuck. Fuck.
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: Imagine giving up on America to go back to fight
• 2:11:41
  for Germany.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: What? Like, hey, hey, hey, hey, settle down. Hold on.
• 2:11:48
  Hold the phone.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: Don't you know this pot is better? You should be
• 2:11:53
  fighting for this, you fucking dumbass.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: The people that are willing to do that, that's a
• 2:12:01
  different kind of brainwashing.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know, it makes me think about
• 2:12:07
  some of the brainwashing we have nowadays, like, and you
• 2:12:11
  kind of think like, Oh, like, you know, there's a
• 2:12:13
  lot of conspiracy theory stuff and I'm not, I'm not
• 2:12:16
  a lot, but I do see, and we were talking
• 2:12:22
  about it today. It's like, how strong is the government
• 2:12:24
  to like brainwash, you know, the MK ultra stuff, like
• 2:12:27
  the stuff where it's like you get like a patsy
• 2:12:30
  or get someone to do something that you want them
• 2:12:32
  to do, kill somebody, whatever. That's like really terrifying. You
• 2:12:37
  think you're your own thoughts and emotions.
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: Also, if you find someone who's vulnerable, you can coax
• 2:12:44
  them slowly but surely into becoming a different person. You
• 2:12:48
  give them a purpose. You give them a direction. I
• 2:12:52
  mean they've done it before. They didn't stop doing it
• 2:12:55
  in the 1960s. That guy who tried to shoot Trump,
• 2:12:57
  he was probably a product of that if I had
• 2:13:00
  to guess. By some organization. I'm not saying it's the
• 2:13:03
  American intelligence agencies. But someone talked that young kid into
• 2:13:07
  getting on that roof and trying to shoot Trump. Someone,
• 2:13:11
  you know, someone gave him direction. Someone. His background is
• 2:13:18
  too squeaky clean after it's over. They professionally scrubbed his apartment.
• 2:13:23
  His apartment was professionally scrubbed. There was no silverware in
• 2:13:27
  his apartment. When they went to examine it, all of
• 2:13:29
  his hard drives are gone. All of his computers were gone.
• 2:13:32
  He had more than one cell phone, which is very
• 2:13:35
  odd for a 20 year old kid and had no
• 2:13:37
  social media profile.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: The whole thing was fucked. Can you explain to me the, the,
• 2:13:42
  the theories going on with like the Charlie Kirk of
• 2:13:44
  it all? Because I know there's, I've heard a lot
• 2:13:46
  of like stuff and a lot of smart people that
• 2:13:48
  I like respect, like there's something going on with that.
• 2:13:52
  We don't know the full story.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: Well, there's something going on with the guy being able
• 2:13:57
  to climb on top of that roof with a gun,
• 2:14:00
  dismantle it, put it back together again and then dismantle
• 2:14:04
  it again and put it back together again. Like the
• 2:14:07
  whole thing makes no sense. They think they have footage
• 2:14:09
  of him in a backpack. So but a backpack doesn't
• 2:14:12
  carry a gun. And so the excuse was, oh, he
• 2:14:14
  dismantled the gun and reconnected it.
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: That doesn't fly. So the problem with that is anybody
• 2:14:20
  who knows anything about guns knows that you take a
• 2:14:22
  scope off a gun. You take the barrel off the gun.
• 2:14:25
  You take the stock off the gun. You take– you
• 2:14:26
  got to put it all back together again. You might
• 2:14:29
  not be on anymore. So you're going to have to–
• 2:14:32
  you're going to have to sight that gun in, right?
• 2:14:34
  And if you sight that gun in, you're going to
• 2:14:36
  want to have targets to practice on. You're not just
• 2:14:39
  going to take a 140-yard shot or whatever it was
• 2:14:42
  where he shot Charlie Kirk not knowing if your sight
• 2:14:44
  is on because– I was hunting once and I fell
• 2:14:49
  with my rifle. And we went back to the range
• 2:14:53
  to test it. And it was off on a– so
• 2:14:55
  when you're shooting on a block, so you're not moving
• 2:14:58
  at all, all you're doing is pulling the trigger. So
• 2:15:00
  it's just to make sure that the gun is on.
• 2:15:03
  It was off by six inches at 100 yards just
• 2:15:06
  by moving from a fall. And so you have to
• 2:15:09
  check that and then you have to sight the gun
• 2:15:11
  back in. You take a– you just take the scope off.
• 2:15:16
  And then you put it back on and screw it
• 2:15:17
  back together again. There's no guarantee that that thing's going
• 2:15:20
  to be accurate. And this kid's not like a marksman.
• 2:15:25
  He's not like he's got a ton of experience shooting
• 2:15:27
  people and shooting at a distance. The whole thing is
• 2:15:30
  it's gross. The whole thing sounds gross. The text messages
• 2:15:34
  between him and his boyfriend or whatever it is where,
• 2:15:38
  you know, he's saying how he did it or he's
• 2:15:39
  going to do it. They seem like AI made them.
• 2:15:42
  It seems crazy.
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: There's also the fact that there was footage of him
• 2:15:46
  in a yogurt shop. Is that verified? The footage that
• 2:15:49
  was in a yogurt shop that was like 20 minutes later?
• 2:15:52
  The guy's just chilling at some fucking frozen yogurt store?
• 2:15:56
  That seems weird.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: What about the stuff with the people that were right
• 2:16:01
  around the shooting and stuff?
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of people that think that some
• 2:16:07
  of them were signaling for the shot to happen at
• 2:16:10
  a certain time. That's a lot of.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: Bullshit.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: Seems like speculation to me because people move around all
• 2:16:16
  the time.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: People are in the crowd.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: If I was standing there and I went like this
• 2:16:20
  and at that moment someone got shot. OK.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 1: Is that a coincidence? Now we're making a mountain out
• 2:16:24
  of them.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Or if you look at your watch at a
• 2:16:27
  certain point and that person gets shot. Like a lot
• 2:16:29
  of movements going on. You could attribute that movement to
• 2:16:32
  someone signaling. To me what's weird is the actual wound itself.
• 2:16:39
  So– A. 30- 06, well, it's not a big enough hole..
• 2:16:44
  30- 06 is a big rifle round. And to shoot a
• 2:16:49
  guy in the neck with a. 30- 06, you would expect,
• 2:16:53
  first of all, you'd expect an exit wound. And there's
• 2:16:56
  no exit wound. It just goes in. And it looks
• 2:16:58
  like a smaller hole. It doesn't look like the kind
• 2:17:00
  of hole that I would expect from a large rifle round.
• 2:17:04
  I would expect it to just blow a giant chunk
• 2:17:07
  of his neck right off. That's a round that you
• 2:17:11
  would shoot an elk with. It's a big round. And
• 2:17:15
  then there's a video footage of him from the back,
• 2:17:17
  and it doesn't look like there's an exit. There's no exit.
• 2:17:21
  So it just goes in his neck and stops?
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: The details about him being a Dairy Queen are very weird.
• 2:17:26
  It seems like he was at a Dairy Queen, but
• 2:17:27
  they don't know which one. And the one they thought
• 2:17:29
  he was at closed down weirdly a couple of weeks afterwards.
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, but he was. There is footage of him at
• 2:17:34
  a Dairy Queen.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just which one it was and when it was.
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, either way. After you shoot Charlie Kirk, do you
• 2:17:41
  really go to a fucking Dairy.
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 1: Queen like this?
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: Before, they're saying, to.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, good.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: Right before you go to Charlie Kirk. You know, them
• 2:17:49
  blizzards got a lot of caffeine in it. I think
• 2:17:52
  it's also weird that we haven't heard him talk. He
• 2:17:56
  hasn't taken the stand. There's discrepancies between whether or not
• 2:18:01
  his family turned him in or whether or not he
• 2:18:03
  said he confessed to his family. You know, I don't
• 2:18:06
  know what they're saying now.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 3: There was an update as of June 12th in a hearing,
• 2:18:10
  and this article says there hasn't been a plea entered yet.
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty if
• 2:18:18
  Robinson is convicted. He has not yet entered a plea.
• 2:18:22
  That happened in September. How has he not yet entered
• 2:18:25
  a plea?
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: They're going over details about kind of— Keep you in limbo?
• 2:18:31
  The prosecution going— in public talking about the, uh, the
• 2:18:37
  bullet fragment found and the defense is saying they shouldn't
• 2:18:40
  have done that. And there's a whole back and forth
• 2:18:41
  about that. Hmm.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't pretend to know, but it just
• 2:18:46
  feels like there's a lot of stuff. I'm sure. Like
• 2:18:48
  you said, there's some bullshit where people are going to go, Oh,
• 2:18:50
  you see, look, and you're like, okay, come on.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson was just talking about it. And he thinks
• 2:18:54
  that Israel killed him. He thinks Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
• 2:18:57
  And then a lot of people saying that's ridiculous. And then,
• 2:19:00
  How many people are getting paid by Israel to run
• 2:19:02
  cover and how many people are just saying that Israel
• 2:19:06
  did it without real evidence? I don't know. But he
• 2:19:10
  was critical of Israel apparently in text messages and saying
• 2:19:13
  that he was going to get out of the Israel
• 2:19:15
  supporting business.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: Because apparently there was also a long letter that he
• 2:19:22
  wrote to Netanyahu. He was expressing his support for Israel.
• 2:19:25
  So is that real? I don't know.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: It's so hard these days to just like.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: Nothing is 100% real. Yeah. If it's a major news
• 2:19:34
  story involving anything significant, at least some of it's bullshit.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 2: And so we're all just sitting here wondering, did this
• 2:19:42
  kid really shoot Charlie Kirk because of his position on
• 2:19:46
  trans people? Is that really what we're supposed to believe?
• 2:19:48
  He was in love with a trans man or a
• 2:19:50
  trans woman rather. And so he shot Charlie Kirk because
• 2:19:52
  of that? Really?
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 1: Do you think younger people, though, have a bigger distrust
• 2:19:57
  in the media, I feel like now? I feel like
• 2:19:59
  that's changing. So it's maybe for the best.
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: But I mean, this isn't even the media.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: This is the government. This is the official position. They
• 2:20:08
  paved over the crime scene within days afterwards.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: That's weird.
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of weird shit, man. The
• 2:20:16
  Thomas Crooks thing, they cremated him within days after he
• 2:20:20
  was killed. Where's the toxicology examination? Where's the results? I
• 2:20:24
  want to know what kind of psych medication this fucking
• 2:20:27
  kid was on.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 1: What was he doing?
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: What was happening? Why did he shoot at the president?
• 2:20:31
  Why did he kill people in the crowd? What the
• 2:20:34
  fuck is going on? And we don't ever get told.
• 2:20:39
  This Tyler Robbins thing is a weird one, man.
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 1: It's weird.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: Just the gun itself alone. I've heard varying depictions of
• 2:20:47
  Getting on that fucking roof with a gun, going through
• 2:20:49
  the stairwell with a gun. He doesn't have the gun.
• 2:20:52
  So did he get the gun up there already? So
• 2:20:53
  they're saying it's in the backpack. No, it's not. It
• 2:20:55
  doesn't fit in the backpack. Well, maybe the stock, maybe
• 2:20:58
  the barrel's in his legs. He taped it to his pants.
• 2:21:00
  Fuck off. Fuck off. You can't put a gun back
• 2:21:03
  together again and make it that accurate. I don't believe that.
• 2:21:06
  And then he took it apart and then jumped off
• 2:21:09
  the roof with it and then put it back together
• 2:21:12
  again in the woods? Is that what they're saying? I
• 2:21:14
  don't know if that's exactly what they're– that's some version
• 2:21:16
  of it, but– Any version of it where this guy
• 2:21:20
  under a high stress, high adrenaline situation is taking apart
• 2:21:23
  a gun and putting it back together again. Fuck off.
• 2:21:26
  Fuck off. Like, I don't believe that.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: Especially someone untrained.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he jumped off the roof afterwards and then escaped.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 1: Like, okay.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: The thing with, which one is this? This is the
• 2:21:37
  first shooting, the professionally scrubbed apartment. That's a weird detail
• 2:21:41
  that doesn't seem to have accuracy.
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: It says right here, July 24th. House Homeland Security Committee
• 2:21:49
  hearing rep Eli Crane said he had received information that
• 2:21:53
  Crook's house was scrubbed, cleaned, and even silverware removed before
• 2:21:57
  investigative units arrived. Crane entered the article making the allegation
• 2:22:01
  into record and from there, professionally scrubbed and no silverware
• 2:22:04
  talking points spread through blogs, forums.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: Ex-posts, and podcasts.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: What officials have said? When Crane asked Pennsylvania State Commissioner
• 2:22:14
  Colonel Christopher Paris whether the home had been extremely clean
• 2:22:18
  or missing silverware, Paris implied that he had not been
• 2:22:21
  given any such details in his briefings.
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: But see, this is what I like.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: He says he lived with his parents.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: This is what I like, though. You're fact-checking yourself. And
• 2:22:30
  I think this is super important because people start, no
• 2:22:33
  matter what we're talking about, people start regurgitating their own narrative.
• 2:22:37
  And it's like, no, no, hold on. I could be wrong.
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: And let's fact-check.
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not wrong.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: So he was living with his primary residence, it says,
• 2:22:45
  was his parents' single-family home. Did he have his own apartment?
• 2:22:48
  He had a separate apartment.
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: It said he didn't.
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 2: It said he didn't? But it says primary residence.
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's what you call it.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: But it says not in his own separate apartment. Does
• 2:22:59
  that mean he didn't have a separate apartment?
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 3: I asked the question, did he have his own apartment
• 2:23:02
  or whatever. What about the apartment?
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, I see. I see.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: So I gave you that response.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: The house and surrounding streets were searched and cordoned off
• 2:23:09
  by federal agents and bomb squads after the assassination attempt.
• 2:23:13
  And investigators reported finding bomb-making materials there. Oh, boy. So
• 2:23:18
  in case it didn't work out with the gun, he
• 2:23:19
  had a bomb? Did he think he was going to
• 2:23:23
  make it off the roof? I wonder what he thought.
• 2:23:25
  Thought he would shoot the president and just jump away?
• 2:23:28
  No one's going to notice? They've got snipers all over
• 2:23:31
  the place. They took that guy out the moment he
• 2:23:34
  shot him. I wonder if someone talked him into doing
• 2:23:36
  it and convinced him that they had a way to
• 2:23:39
  get him out of there.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see, that's the scary thing, right?
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: The mind control, like.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: Like you said, especially if they're giving him drugs. That's
• 2:23:46
  my point about the toxicology examination. So a lot of
• 2:23:50
  people were very concerned they cremated him right away because
• 2:23:52
  if you got a hold of the toxicology examination and
• 2:23:56
  you found out that there were some drugs in there
• 2:23:58
  that they give people to influence them, like maybe he
• 2:24:01
  had LSD in his system. Maybe he had something else,
• 2:24:03
  some other psychiatric medications in his system that you would say, well,
• 2:24:07
  why was he given this? Is this something that we've
• 2:24:10
  done when we're working on mind control experiments? Have we
• 2:24:13
  given people these things? Are we still doing that? There
• 2:24:17
  was also metadata that connected a phone from D.C. to
• 2:24:21
  his house from like Virginia outside the FBI area where
• 2:24:25
  the FBI offices are back and forth to this guy's
• 2:24:28
  house multiple times. Metadata from a phone. Can't say whose phone.
• 2:24:33
  Who knows? Probably nothing.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: Or don't they know?
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's also in a black rock commercial.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: If you want to find out whose phone that is,
• 2:24:40
  they got like, people could find out.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: I would imagine.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's all weird.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 2: It's not, I mean, look, there's probably a lot of
• 2:24:48
  people before the election that wanted Trump dead, fill in
• 2:24:52
  the blank, who you think it might be, but most
• 2:24:55
  likely somebody got a kid to try to do it
• 2:24:58
  and he didn't pull it off, but he came close.
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 1: Scary man.
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: And then there's the real dummies who think it's staged.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: Which is so crazy. Oh, I've heard that. I was
• 2:25:08
  hearing that.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: They let him nick his ear with a bullet. I'm like, what?
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 1: Do you know how dumb that sounds?
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: You have no idea about shooting things at distance. There's
• 2:25:17
  no way.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 1: They're like, it's performative. I'm like, what?
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: There's not a fucking chance in hell that you can
• 2:25:22
  nick someone's ear with a bullet at that distance and
• 2:25:25
  be that accurate. You can easily blow half their fucking
• 2:25:28
  head off, you know?
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And like what? So like they're going to take
• 2:25:32
  that risk to put on that performative? And what happens
• 2:25:34
  if they're not?
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: And kill the people behind them.
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, because someone got shot, right?
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 2: One guy died. At least one person died. Another guy
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  got shot really badly. And two other people I think
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  are suing now. They're suing the government for negligence because
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  of that shooting. Yeah, because they're permanently injured because they
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  got shot.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the whole thing where the lady who was
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  the head of the Secret Service was saying that they
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  couldn't put anybody on that roof because the slope was
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  too steep. Like, what? And that didn't even make sense
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  because the slope of the building where the snipers were
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  on was steeper. It made no sense. So it's almost
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  like it was set up so that that kid could
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  get up on that roof and take a shot.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, it seems like the powers that be
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  are pulling some strings. That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Always.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? They're pulling strings. If you're
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  not playing by their rules, if you're not kissing the ring,
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  kind of Hollywood's the same way. You know what I mean?
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  Hollywood is like, there's a lot of that bullshit. There's
• 2:26:31
  a lot of that bullshit. A lot of that like
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  kiss the ring and things. You're like, nah, I ain't
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  going to do that. You know, you know, it's like, nah,
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  you let the, you know, it's like, like you said,
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  how bad do you want to be Batman? How bad
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  do you want to be Batman? If it cost me
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  my soul, maybe, maybe I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good for you, dude. Good for you. You've achieved
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  a nice balance in your life and work relationship, and
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  I think that's very important. And I always tell people,
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  he's like the normalest guy. You're like the normalest guy
• 2:27:05
  that's a movie star, that I know. Every time I've
• 2:27:08
  introduced you to people, they're like, who is he?
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  Speaker 1: That's Scott Eastwood. You're like, what?
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: That's Clint Eastwood's son?
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  Speaker 1: He's so normal. There's a lot of normal people, though.
• 2:27:18
  There's some great ones.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They exist.
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  Speaker 1: There's some great ones, but they're few and far between.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are fucking super normal.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They're like regular guys when you talk to them. They
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  manage to keep their– as hard as it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Keep whoever it is that's them. They're still that. Yeah.
• 2:27:34
  So kudos to them. Kudos to you. And thanks for
• 2:27:38
  these vitamins. Yeah, man. I'm going to tell you. them
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  i'll tell you what's up tell me what's up they
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  suck i'm gonna tell you that too i'm sure they're
• 2:27:44
  great i'm just kidding uh north performance that's what it's
• 2:27:47
  called there we go baby and your movie one more
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  time lucky strike out tomorrow out tomorrow okay tomorrow beautiful it's.
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  Speaker 1: Perfect timing 250 years celebrate the yeah our veterans yes
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  yes Good luck with that. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Congratulations on everything. All right.
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  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody.