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Mega Edition: Transcripts From The DOJ's Sit Down With Ghislaine Maxwell (Part 4-6) (6/7/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we
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left off with the Gleam Maxwell transcripts from July twenty fourth.
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So after you find out about it, what happens with
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your relationship with him? Maxwell? I asked him. I asked
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him what was going on? Blanche? Okay? Maxwell? And he said,
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not to worry nothing, nothing, taking care, don't worry about it. Indiscernible,
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and then it all went quiet. He didn't say, he
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didn't share. I wasn't part of it at all. I
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was off with Ted and I really just to that.
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She's cut off by Blanche. Did he tell you? Well,
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why don't we come back to more specifics around that
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time period in a few minutes? Maxwell, Okay, Blanche, I
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just want to finish this opening part so that case
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goes on ultimately it ends. What was your relationship like
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with him during that case? When he goes, you know,
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when he was sentenced Maxwell, he told me, he said, listen,
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I'm going to jail. I was like, okay, and he goes,
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I would like you to stay on board to manage
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the properties, the animals, this and that, and just stay
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put and I'll continue to pay you in case there
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is an emergency. I don't trust anyone. And I was like, okay, Blanche. Well,
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when you said continue to pay Maxwell, he had never
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stopped paying me, Blanche, he never stopped paying you. So
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even when your relationship changes, you are getting Does the
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amount increase from the twenty five thousand or so a
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year from the beginning? Like, how much are you getting
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paid yearly? Maxwell? I think it ended at the time, Well,
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we had different payment structures and I'm happy to explain
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how that was, but I think the salary wise, if
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I'm right, it ended at around a quarter of a
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million a year, Blanche. How much quarter of a million?
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Two hundred and fifty thousand? And when did that stop? Maxwell?
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Two thousand and eight or nine? Blanche? So Maxwell cuts
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him off, oh nine, When did he come out of jail?
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Whenever he came out of jail, Blanche? Okay, So, And
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over the years it increased from what you said was
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you thought about twenty five thousand to two hundred and
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fifty thousand. That's between like ninety or early nineties until
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two thousand and nine or ten. Whenever that stopped? Is
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that right? Maxwell? Yes, yes, Blanche, And how are you paid?
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Maxwell W two? Blanche W two from what company? Maxwell?
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He like, he just moved me around over to this
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company that I didn't care, Blanche okay, Maxwell, And I
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didn't care, and I didn't think that. I didn't understand
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any rhyme or reason. It doesn't I just you know whatever,
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Blanche okay. Maxwell. So maybe she gets cut off by Blanche.
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So when he's going to go to jail, he says,
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can you stay around and manage everything? Or was it
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here's some money? Don't say anything. That's probably what it was, right,
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but sure, Glenn Maxwell's now the arbiter of truth for
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the Trump administration. Glenn Maxwell, Yeah, Todd, Blanche, and do
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you do that? Maxwell? I do, Blanche okay, And then
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we'll come back to that. Maxwell will not manage everything, though,
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I mean there are other people at this point. My
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specific role then was very very diminished. Blanche okay. I
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reviewed the bill structure that came from the constructions that
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were still made the island, Blanche okay, Maxwell, and wherever
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else I was going Paris at that point, because I
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speak French, I'm fluent in French. And also my relationship
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with the French decorator was critical to him, and then
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the French component part of that aspect that was really vital.
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And so you would have to find someone who was
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actually and the Spanish trilingual, and would have had to
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find someone who was tri lingual and that he trusted. Blanche.
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Did you to that he's cut off again by Maxwell
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to manage not steal from him? Blanche? Did you so
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when he gets out of jail between that time in
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twenty nine and ten and twenty nineteen, Well, what's your
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relationship like with mister Epstein Maxwell? Almost non existent? Blanche? Why? Maxwell?
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I had just moved on and I didn't want to
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have anything. I didn't want the drama. I didn't want
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to be associated with Blanche. So do you recall when
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you say almost non existent? Does that mean Glenn Maxwell?
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It doesn't mean it's she's cut off again by Blanche.
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Was it some phone calls, some visits Maxwell? Definitely Blanche
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some trips or what does it mean? Maxwell? I don't
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think there were ever any trips. I don't think so, Blanche,
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where were you living during this time period? Or was
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it's he's cut off again by Maxwell? Which time period? Blanche?
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Between two thousand and nine and twenty ten and twenty nineteen, Maxwell,
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I was back in New York, Blanche, Okay, so you
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had no so your you had the phone calls with
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them on occasion, Maxwell, Yes, well, I certainly did. When
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it was whenever was any legal drama or anything like
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that serious press attention. I always called to try and
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find out what was going on, Blanche okay. And then
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Maxwell cuts him off again, And I did email him
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at the time for those types of details. I was like,
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what do I do? What I mean? I was like Blanche.
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And then when he's charged in New York federally Maxwell, Yes, Blanche,
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how did you learn about that? Maxwell? In the press? Blanche?
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And you, as far as you know, been contacted by
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law enforcement before his arrest. Maxwell No, I wasn't in
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an indictment, Blanche. No, I know that. But even as
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a witness or asking you if you would have had
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documents or materials, Maxwell, I had never Up until when
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my lawyer said that, I don't even know. I had
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no knowledge of them being interested me. Honestly, I don't
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want to say until after he died. Now I know
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that my lawyers were in touch with the SDNY at
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some point after his arrest. I'm pretty sure that had
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to have happened, right, Blanche Okay. But my understanding is
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that they had not shown any interest. I know my
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lawyers went to see them once. I believe Blanche went
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to see meaning mister Epstein, Glam Maxwell know them, the
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Southern District of New York, Blanche Okay, the SDNY Okay, Maxwell, sorry,
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and that they had been in regular in touch with
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them and Blanche. But now you're talking about after mister
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Epstein died or are you talking about before he died? Maxwell?
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I think she gets cut off again by Blanche. If
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you can remember Maxwell easily verifiable. My memory is that
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we were in touch with him when he was arrested. Blanche,
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uh huh. Maxwell, I don't know if anything happened until
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after his death. Then after that, Blanche okay, Maxwell, I
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don't think they saw them met with them Southern District
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of New York. I'm talking about now until after he died.
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I know that they were in regular telephone contact with him,
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and that my lawyers believed that they had been told
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that they had no interest in me. Blanche okay, Maxwell,
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and were absolutely stunned when I was arrested. But maybe
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stunned is too big a word, but surprised I certainly was, Blanche. Okay,
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So okay. That was the long description of what was
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a very long life and what was and that was
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very helpful. So I want to go back and talk
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some specifically now about particular areas and but a very
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helpful kind of foundation for us. The first thing that
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I want to talk to you about, and we talked
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earlier about mister Epstein's financial success. You know, how do
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you know when you first met him, at some point
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you say, I got this place for you to rent.
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You can't afford it, and he laughs at you and says,
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yes I can. What did you learn about his wealth
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and how he was how he was accumulated his money? Maxwell,
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I can tell you what he told me, Blanche. Yes, Maxwell,
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I know that he was hired from working at a
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private school whose name eludes me at this point, Lea
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Safion Dalton, Glenn Maxwell Dalton. He was working at Dalton.
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He was a math teacher and he met I think
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it was Ace. I'm not sure he met someone from
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Bear who hired him because he was very good at math,
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and I believe that when he worked at creating a
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trading of Oh my gosh, Blanche, just describe it. It's okay,
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go ahead, Maxwell. He came up with some new type
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of trading system. Not a system so much, but a
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trading vehicle. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, I'm just scrape. I'm just
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escaping right now, Blanche. And this is while he was
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working at bar Stearns. Maxwell at barra Stearns. Yes, Blanche, okay, Maxwell,
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And well to that she's cut off by Blanche. And
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this is before you met him, Maxwell. Yes, Blanche, So
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this is what he told you Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, what
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you learned? Maxwell? Yes, this is what he told me, Blanche, okay,
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Maxwell himself, Blanche. So then eventually he starts a financial firm.
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Do you know anything about that to be true or no?
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Jay Epstein in company, you ever heard of that? I
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think it's yeah, so yes, So hang on a minute.
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This I did not know, but this is I have
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subsequently learned, Blanche, Okay. Maxwell. Is that some problem or
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some issue at bari Sterns. And there was some I
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don't know, disagreement. He wasn't fired because obviously he was
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still very friendly with Ace and Jimmy, at least by
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the time I met him, but they were working with
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him and he ran he had clients money at Bara Sterns. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
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and his money is client's money. Well, I'll come to that.
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But he started. He told me himself that he started
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a business where he looked for stolen money. So if somebody,
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let's see, I'm trying to think of some intelligent way
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to say it, but I can't think of anything I've
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been with. Not great, I'll give it to you. So
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let's say you're l Chopo. Oh god, I don't. I
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don't know where this comes from. But anyway, we've got
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al Chopo and Al Choppo's laundering money. And still he's
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working with the Cinaloa cartel and he steals money from
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the Cinaloa cartel and he moves it to wherever. So
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he's gotten stolen money from the Cinaloa cartel, goes to it.
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This didn't happen. I'm just Blanche, Yeah, yeah, I understand
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Maxwell coming up with something in my head and the
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Cineloa cartel says to Epstein, can you track down my
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billion dollars that the cartel the other cartel stole from me,
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and Epstein will go and find that billion dollars and
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will take a portion of the money that was stolen
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as a fee and give back the remainder. That would
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be a percentage basis, Blanche. No, but like what you
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just described, which I appreciate what you said is hypothetical.
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That was completely hypothetical, but that would involve, like so,
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two kinds of drug cartels stealing from each other. Practically speaking,
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he was more of a businessman, correct, Maxwell. So here's
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how I think that started. It started. He had a girlfriend.
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It was always you, always to the girls. I guess
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there was a girl whose name will come back to me,
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maybe not whilst we're here, but I don't know. Maybe
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there's a woman, Blanche. Okay, there's always a woman, and
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she was the daughter of a billionaire, for instance. And
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the billionaire whoever his whatever his name was, had some
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money stolen, and for some reason, this woman introduced Jeffrey,
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and Jeffrey I think that's how the business started. That's
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what I remember, Blanche. And is that something he told
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you about or something that happened while you knew him?
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Maxwell knows something he told me about before I met him. Blanche,
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and so when you met him and once you were
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a part of his life in the early to mid nineties,
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what's he doing to make money that you see? Does
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he have clients? Does he have rich clients? Does he
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have famous clients? And how what if he provides the clients?
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What service is he providing them? Maxwell? He does well,
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obviously there's the one very famous client that everybody talks about,
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which is Les Wexner. That was a very important client
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to him. And I think it's probably helpful to describe
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what I imagine what I know to be true about
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what he managed for less and there are some bits
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that I'll be improvising, Blanche yep Maxwell, I cuts off
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by Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, I just want to make you
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understand I was not part of Epstein's business world, except
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so what I'm talking about is what I observed or
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what I overheard or what I saw within the business.
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But I wasn't responsible for any of the client's money
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or anything like that. So it's separate. Okay, Yeah, I understand,
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says Blanche Glenne. Maxwell. Okay, all right, we're gonna cut
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off right here, and in the next episode we're gonna
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pick up where we left off. All of the information
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that goes with this episode can be found in the
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description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
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of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up
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where we left off with the Glene Maxwell deposition that
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was recently really and once again Todd Blanche is asking
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the questions and Glenn Maxwell is doing the answering. Maxwell,
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I want you to understand I was not part of
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Epstein's business world. So what I'm talking about is what
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I observed or what I overheard or what I saw
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within the business. But I wasn't responsible for any of
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the client's money or anything like that, so it's separate.
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Todd Blanche, Okay, Yeah, I understand. Maxwell. Okay, Blanche, go ahead. Maxwell.
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So with Less, for instance, it was really all encompassing.
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It could go from structure of the business, so he
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would he structured or restructured the limited. I know that,
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and I'll come back to that because I also travel
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with him in Less and I was in business meetings
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with them on the plane when they were there, so
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I could observe and I could hear some of this.
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And whilst I'm not necessarily terribly business sophisticated. I'm sophisticated
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enough to be able to at least have some knowledge
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of what was happening. All right, So then he restructured
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the business, he restructured his entire personal finances, and would
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also handle all of the investment strategy. I don't know
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if it was if it was one hundred percent, Blanche,
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mister Wexner, is what you're saying, Maxwell, Sorry, yes, all
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this all Wexner I'm talking about now. So let's say
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you had a billion dollars to invest, you would, you know,
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in people's normal investment portfolios, you would have you know,
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some T bonds and this and that. But Epstein's strategy
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would be much more sophisticated than that, Blanche. And so
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just staying with mister Wexner, does from what you heard
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or saw, is mister Epstein paid by him in percentages?
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Like so there would be a deal and he would
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be paid for or was did you understand is to
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be like a flat fee? Was he a business partner? Like?
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How did you understand him to be paid? Well, if
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the DOJ would have hit Epstein with RICO, we'd have
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those answers, wouldn't we And you know what's goofy about
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this whole entire deposition Todd Blanche doesn't even know what
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he's talking about. He doesn't even know what questions to
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ask this woman, and it's very apparent. Maxwell. I think
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it was more a le carte. So let's say this
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is a conversation. I actually Epstein told me so all
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illustrated for me. Said if I saved someone five billion,
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he would take a flat percentage of that five billion.
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He wouldn't have five billion back, and he would take
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Blanche cuts her off. When you say you think that
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is that because you heard him talking about that or Maxwell,
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it would be a combination of both. He certainly told
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me that, and I heard him talk to people like that.
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I couldn't to that she's cut off by Blanche. No, no,
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go ahead, Maxwell, No Blanche did there was there? Did
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he give Wexner gift of property in New York to
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mister Epstein? Maxwell, So we're talking about seventy first Street.
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So I don't know what the business deal was, because
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again I'm not a part of his business thing. But
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I think what happened would be that, let's say that
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less odum theoretically for his services one hundred million or
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whatever it was. He could have traded that against the property. Blanche,
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do you know that happened or are you kind of
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do you remember whether there was a conversation about that,
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or are you just thinking that could be one way
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that it happened. Maxwell, I'm not sure, and I'm not
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trying to be I just don't remember if that's something
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I know, or if that's something that I remember, or
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if it's something that I subsequently know. This whole entire thing, folks,
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is a big ass jerk off. That's all it is.
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And the whole point of this ridiculous exercise is to
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try and give themselves cover. I believe that to be
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what happened, but I don't want to tell you that.
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I have to that she's cut off once again by
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her buddy Todd, Blanche Maxwell. Does that make sense, Blanche,
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did mister Wexner or mister Epstein? Are you aware of
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their falling out out that they ultimately had, Maxwell? I
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think I wasn't there. I don't know how it happened.
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I only know what Less has said in the press
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cover story. There was no falling out. That whole entire
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thing was a cover story. So that Les Wexner had
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an exit point when all the fucking dominoes started to
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fall Blanche. So you only know about there. You know,
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they're falling out or whatever you want to call it,
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from what you kind of read, not from any first
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town knowledge you did. You weren't there, You weren't part
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of that, Maxwell, correct, Blanche? Do you know somebody named
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Stephen Hoffenberg? Maxwell? Only from the press, Blanche? Okay, So
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you don't know anything about whatever business relationship they may
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have had. Mister Epstein cut off once again by Maxwell.
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Never spoke about him, never mentioned it. I only learned
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about that, whatever that is, even I don't even know
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what it is or what the truth of the story is,
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from the press. And you're gonna notice that throughout this
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whole entire thing, there's a whole lot of Glenn Maxwell
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not remembering, and she's not pressed at all by Todd Blanche.
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And that's because the fix is in Todd Blanche. How
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about Leon Black Maxwell? Oh, I did meet Leon. I
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do know Leon, Blanche. When do you remember and again,
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I know we're talking about a very long time ago,
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but do you remember approximately when you met him? Maxwell?
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I could have met Leon, not really, so I might
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have met him. Nothing to do because Leon Black is
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a very good friend with other friends of mine. Of
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course he is. I would have met him. When I
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say socially, I might have met him. How Leon and
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Epstein became really good friends, I don't. I'm not sure.
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What's wild is that Leon Black's son is part of
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the Trump administration, Blanche. But not through you, as far
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as you recall, Maxwell, No, not through me, as far
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as I know. In fact, I'm sure that's not through me, Blanche.
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Do you know what kind of work mister Epstein was
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doing for mister Black over the years, Maxwell, sam is
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what he did for Wexner, Blanche. So we just talked
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about two individuals. And again, I know we're talking about
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maybe a fifteen year time period or even longer. How
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many clients like that did mister Epstein have, Glen? Maxwell?
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But why I don't I just give you the names
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that I remember? And that's Blanche? Say it again, Maxwell,
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Why won't I just give you the names? Blanche? Yeah? Maxwell,
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so you want the names, Blanche, He's sure, go ahead,
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Glen Maxwell, Elizabeth Johnson, Johnson and Johnson. And we know
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that Jeffrey Epstein also purchased a skeichale in veil from
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the Johnson family. And honestly, it doesn't shock me. The
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Johnson family has been up to no good for a
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very long time. Blanche. When did as far as you know,
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when did the relationship between miss Johnson and mister Epstein start?
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I don't the nineties, ninety five, ninety six, Blanche. So
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during the time period Maxwell, yes we're talking nineties, We're
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talking when I was there, When I was around, Blanche,
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And how did the relationship start? Maxwell, I don't know
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how he became friendly and where he ended up managing
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her money. I wasn't there. I mean, he really had
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a separate life. We really had separate lives. So what's
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funny here is you have the administration in people coming
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out saying, oh, well, Maxwell said nothing happened, and then
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out of the other side of her mouth, she's saying
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she wasn't even around, so how does she know what happened?
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Just like I told you from the very beginning, Glain
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Maxwell was a manager. Glin Maxwell was not somebody on
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the inside making deals and whipping work. And just like
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I predicted, Glan Maxwell is not the Rosetta Stone that
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everybody thought she was gonna be Blanche. Okay, Maxwell, except
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where they sinked Blanche. But it wasn't from Maxwell. It
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wasn't from me. Maxwell, No, it was not Blanche. Okay.
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And what's your understanding of what mister Epstein did for
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miss Johnson, Maxwell, same is what he did for Wexner.
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And when I and you have to understand, it went
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down in tiny details. So I remember this. I remember
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this an actual memory. That he would make the contracts
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for the maids, for the people who worked in their homes, Blanche.
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So he would assist his clients at times with you're saying,
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with even small things like contractual relations Maxwell, he said,
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no detail was too small because everything that affected how
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they lived and how they managed their life was something
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that he felt was if they want it, would be
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responsible for to make sure that the contract so that
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if you had to fire someone it wouldn't come back
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to sue you, or if that you sort of Blanche
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cuts her off. Okay, So mister Black, mister Werner, Wexner,
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he doesn't even know the names. This is what I'm
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talking about, Todd. Blanche is a fool. This dude's a
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patsy that was sent here to try and run cover
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for the administration. And if you don't want to believe that,
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that's on you. If you want to buy into the
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myth that the administration actually cares and they're trying to
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be transparent, cool, go ahead, but you're gonna be the
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one who looks stupid later on down the road when
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the dominoes all fall. Blanche knows someone named Jess Staley. Maxwell, Yes,
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I do know Jess, Blanche. Who's that Maxwell? He was
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at Morgan Stanley and at Barclays. Blanche, what do you
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do whether he and mister Epstein had a relationship Maxwell, Well,
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not a physical one, Blanche, Well, Marcus, a business one, Blanche.
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I didn't suggest, Maxwell, Sorry, I just Blanche. No, I'm
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saying a relationship in the broadest sense of the word
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business personal. Maxwell yes, Blanche okay? Maxwell, yes to both,
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Blanche okay. And do you know when they met? Maxwell? No,
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I don't know when they met, but you can time it. Well,
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I don't know that you can. No, I don't, no, Blanche.
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So but what was the nature of their relationship as
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far as you know, Maxwell, I think they were friends,
23:08
and I think there were business partners, well, partners too
23:11
strong of a word, but they were. They did business together, Blanche,
23:15
So did you again? I want to stay focused on
23:18
the time where you were the most involved in his life.
23:21
So Maxwell the nineties, Todd Blanche the early nineties through
23:25
the early two thousands. Maxwell in the beginning of the
23:29
two thousands. Yes, Todd, Blanche. So we talked about four people.
23:34
So Maxwell, there's more, Blanche, there are more, okay, Maxwell? Oh, yes,
23:40
there were more. There was a lady whose name I
23:43
can't remember. Can I get my book? Maybe I wrote
23:45
them down, Blanche. Sure. Maxwell. Epstein wouldn't really let me
23:49
meet his clients. Blanche, what book are you using? What
23:52
is that? Maxwell? I wrote some notes for the meeting, Blanche? Okay, great, Okay, Maxwell?
23:58
Is that alright, Blanche? No, that's I was just curious
24:01
what you were looking at. Maxwell. Oh, okay, Marcus, not
24:05
the birthday book, Maxwell, it's not the birthday book. No,
24:08
we're going to come to that, I'm sure, Blanche. Yeah, Maxwell,
24:12
all right, I wrote down some names because I tried
24:15
to make I just want you to understand my memory
24:18
is not as good as it was because when I
24:20
was in Brooklyn, I was in the shoe for almost
24:22
two years, and I was on suicide watch for almost
24:25
two years, which meant that they woke me up every
24:28
fifteen minutes for the entire time, and it's really did
24:32
affect my ability to Blanche cuts her off, understand, Glenn Maxwell, Okay,
24:37
Oh my god, this is such a joke. How could
24:40
anybody read this and not be disgusted. It's like a
24:44
homie sitting down with his friend in the backyard, catching
24:47
up after a few years being away. Blanche. So you've
24:50
taken some notes in anticipation, Maxwell, I just made some
24:54
names in advance for this, Blanche. Yeah, okay, So go ahead, Maxwell,
24:58
and you're happy to look at them. Well, if you
25:00
want no, go ahead? Maxwell? Okay, Well, funny you say,
25:04
first two names. One is Wexner, two is Dalley, three
25:07
is Leon Black. Blanche, okay, Maxwell, Glen Duben was a client,
25:12
Todd Blanche, who's that? Bro? Doesn't even know who Glenn
25:15
Dubin is a guy that was credibly accused of taking
25:19
part of the abuse. Has no idea who he is, huh, Glenn,
25:23
Maxwell eva Dubin's husband. Blanche, Okay, what was there? I mean,
25:28
if you can do you know about that relationship and
25:31
when it started Maxwell, whenever, Well, wouldn't have been before
25:35
they got married, for sure. So if you're going to start,
25:38
you're going to date that from wherever that was. And
25:41
then Epstein was heavily involved with Highbridge Capital and the
25:44
financing or selling of Highbridge to JP Morgan. Blanche, Okay,
25:48
go ahead, Eva Dubin yep Maxwell, Okay, you're only looking
25:52
for clients. So all right, there's a woman, well he
25:55
there's a woman in Ohio. I just can't think of
25:58
her name, but I tried to remember it yesterday and
26:01
I can't. David Marcus. So this is a good thing,
26:05
like you know, as you think of things, write it
26:07
down and if they have any other names, they'll ask you,
26:10
but you Maxwell cuts her off. Blanche, Yeah, just Marcus,
26:14
don't force it. So you'll have time to think about this,
26:18
especially today, this afternoon overnight Klan Maxwell okay, because she
26:22
hasn't had time to think about this previously, what she
26:26
been doing in that jail cell, besides complaining Marcus. Because
26:29
we'll probably meet tomorrow Maxwell, But you can find them,
26:33
I mean, if you basically find a billionaire female, Blanche,
26:37
So the woman in Ohio. Who's wealthy that you worked with? Maxwell?
26:41
And Well, you can identify yourself because she has the
26:45
largest client painting that was huge. So you can find
26:48
her because it'll be in a museum. Blanche, Okay, glean, Maxwell,
26:53
So that's her, Todd Blanche and so he that was
26:57
one of mister Epstein's clients. Maxwell Well, yes, Blanche, she
27:01
was one of mister Epstein's clients as well. Maxwell, Yes, Blanche, Okay,
27:06
who else? Maxwell, Well, I think that there was other
27:09
people that would like assist. I know that he helped
27:13
Lynn Forrester, who became Lynn the Rothschild. She'll deny it
27:17
and she has, but she can't Todd Blanche. And when
27:21
you say help, the help in business or what help? Maxwell? Well,
27:26
so I have no idea what he did for I
27:28
know he helped her financially. Her husband was the controller
27:31
of New York. So I don't Again, I'm not inside
27:35
his business. But he would have this notion that he
27:40
blackmailed men or we don't really have to go there,
27:43
that he wasn't a businessman and that everything he did
27:47
was a fraud or a funk or I don't believe
27:50
that to be true. Blanche why Maxwell, Sorry, Blanche, why
27:54
do you say that you don't believe it to be true?
27:57
But show me why you think that Maxwell? Okay, Blanche,
28:00
just from I know you've been talking about it, that
28:03
he was very he was very conscientious, he was very
28:07
good at math. He took paid a lot of attention
28:10
to his clients. But yes, you're right, there's allegations of
28:13
blackmail or also that there was some level of fraud
28:16
involved in what he did, and you don't believe it.
28:19
Why do you say that, Maxwell, Well, let me rephrase that.
28:23
If there was fraud, I never saw it. Well, you
28:25
just told us you weren't part of the business, so
28:27
why would you see the fraud. The only fraud that
28:30
I see here is this whole entire fucking process. When
28:34
I saw or what I felt when his when I
28:37
ran the office, I mean ran, I didn't. I was
28:39
responsible for the staff, people worked, there were lawyers, there
28:43
were accountants. I never heard him, I never felt anything.
28:46
I don't know, Icky Marcus, did you ever see him
28:50
blackmail a Maxwell? Never Marcus? A client? Maxwell? No, Marcus.
28:56
Did you ever see him blackmail a friend or an acquaintance? Maxwell? No, Marcus? Okay,
29:02
all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here and
29:05
in the next episode we're gonna pick up where we
29:07
left off with this ridiculous nonsense. All of the information
29:11
that goes with this episode can be found in the
29:13
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode
29:17
of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up
29:20
where we left off with the Glenn Maxwell deposition given
29:24
to the DOJ. Blanche. Well, so, I think when folks
29:29
talk about blackmail, and we can talk about sorry about that, Maxwell,
29:33
we can talk about that now. There are a lot
29:36
of allegations about him, which well, which we should talk about,
29:41
and we can do that now. And the fact that
29:43
he abused young women Maxwell, yes, Blanche, full stop, Okay,
29:48
which means the way that on the finding abuse, as
29:52
has been widely reported, is that he would cause young girls,
29:56
young women in high school to be recruited to come
29:59
to his house and give them massage, young women, children,
30:03
bro underage girls, and as part of and as part
30:08
of that, he would sexually abuse them. Okay, Maxwell, yes, Blanche.
30:13
So I want to talk about that. But as it
30:15
relates to blackmail, the question is whether you're aware of
30:18
any time that any of the individuals we're talking about,
30:22
and we'll talk about others receive massages from women who
30:25
are under eighteen or may have been under eighteen, and
30:29
that whether there was any sexual assaults or sexual contact
30:33
between any of these people and those messuses, which would
30:36
have allowed then mister Epstein potentially to blackmail them and
30:40
say you have to continue to work for me, or
30:43
you have to give me money, or else I'm going
30:45
to tell the world what you did. You know, this
30:47
dumb fuck Todd Blanche has no idea what he's talking
30:50
about messuses. If a fifteen year old girl from Palm
30:54
Beach High School is considered a massuse, then I'm considered
30:57
a fucking cosmonaut. Maxwell, Right, I think this is a
31:00
really good place to start with how that story began, Blanche, Okay,
31:05
Maxwell's so even let's assume that that premise is correct,
31:09
that he was doing that and he was going to
31:12
tell everybody going to say, oh, you know, you had
31:14
inappropriate relations with an underage girl if you don't have
31:17
a video or a photograph, photographic evidence, because I'm not
31:21
sure that even the FBI would take that, well maybe today,
31:25
but certainly not back then, would take that seriously, So
31:29
you have to have something to say, Hey, you know, look,
31:31
I've got this video of you doing terrible things, and
31:34
you need to blah blah blah. So I built those houses,
31:37
many of them. I decorated those houses. I put the
31:40
electricians in for the wiring. I never wired nor saw
31:43
a single house that had any type of inappropriate Let's
31:46
say video surveillance, and they'll define that for you. Inappropriate
31:51
surveillance would mean in a bathroom, in a bedroom, in
31:54
any private area of a home. So Glenne, Maxwell's telling
31:57
the truth and everybody else is lying. Huh Okay, I
32:00
guess Todd Blanche in a room where there were massages
32:04
given Maxwell. Inappropriate, I would say, I would define an
32:08
appropriate surveillance would be the front door of the house,
32:11
or potentially in seventy first Street, the physical plant. Anywhere
32:15
else would be grotesque, Blanche. So I just want to
32:18
come back to I know I'm just hopefully stating the obvious.
32:21
But when you say the house is you're talking about
32:24
New York Maxwell, yes, the Brownstone, Yes, you're talking about
32:28
the island in the Caribbean. Maxwell, Yes, you're talking about
32:32
the residence in Palm Beach. Maxwell, Yes, Todd Blanche, and
32:37
you're talking about the ranch in New Mexico. Maxwell, Yes,
32:40
Todd Blanche anywhere else Maxwell, Paris, Blanche, and in Paris.
32:45
And so Maxwell cuts them off. And the plane. I
32:48
saw some ridiculous thing with the plane, Blanche and the plane. Okay, Maxwell,
32:54
that's what we're doing. Yes, I didn't, Blanche. So Maxwell
32:59
cuts them off and hire any electrician on the plane. Okay, Blanche,
33:02
though unequivocally, unequivocally from what you know, and you only
33:06
know what you know, Maxwell, I only know what I know, Blanche.
33:10
But from what you know, you do not believe a
33:12
camera exists, or a video camera or a camera that
33:15
takes pictures inside any of his residences. Maxwell, correct, This
33:19
whole entire thing's a joke, and I almost don't even
33:22
want to go through it. Honestly, she's trying to rewrite
33:26
the story, and this boob Todd Blanche is actually letting
33:29
her get away with it. Then again, that's the whole
33:32
point of this whole entire thing, right, give them a
33:35
cover story and make a look like this thing is
33:38
over and done with Blanche. So even the appropriate cameras
33:42
that you just talked about, which would be kind of
33:44
exterior security cameras. Did you know whether there was any
33:47
camera that you're aware of inside of that location? Maxwell? Never,
33:51
with one exception, Blanche, Okay, what's the exception? Maxwell? The
33:56
exception is pom Beach. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell, and the so on.
34:00
Pom Beach. Epstein was having money stolen. He noticed money
34:04
was being stolen from his briefcase, call it his briefcase,
34:07
and he called in the pom Beach Police and they,
34:09
the pom Beach Police, installed cameras on where he kept
34:13
his briefcase. Blanche, where was that? Do you remember? Maxwell?
34:17
At his desk in the house on the ground floor,
34:20
he had a desk sort of in the corner. There
34:22
was that camera. I think there was another camera. I
34:25
think there were two or maybe three cameras, I believe
34:28
only on the ground floor wherever he may have had
34:31
maybe he had another office in the cabana, there may
34:34
have been a camera there, Blanche. When was this? I'm
34:37
not looking for exact dates, but the time period are
34:40
you talking about when you say this, Maxwell, two thousand
34:43
and three, I think I can date it for you precisely. Actually,
34:47
two thousand and three, I'm pretty firm on that date, Blanche.
34:50
So Maxwell interrupts him, and I can be firm because
34:55
John Alessi, the butler, was fired in the end of
34:57
two thousand and two and he was the thief. Blanche. So,
35:01
aside from law enforcement installing a camera to try to
35:04
catch somebody stealing money from mister Epstein, you're not aware
35:07
of any cameras at the island. No, sorry, you're just
35:10
so we record it because Maxwell. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Blanche. No,
35:15
that's okay, you are not in your head. No, so
35:18
what about Maxwell interrupts. No cameras anywhere outside of possibly
35:22
things that would I would consider myself, I would consider normal.
35:26
So the garage, Gay, it's something like that, a front door, Blanche,
35:30
outside like security cameras, Maxwell, security cameras. Well. I can
35:34
tell you for a fact that Zoro Ranch had cameras
35:37
everywhere on the outside. When I went to Zoro Ranch
35:41
in twenty twenty, they had more cameras on this property
35:45
than Red China has. In the workplace, everywhere you looked
35:49
there was a camera. And according to people that worked
35:52
on the property, people who went to the property, the
35:54
whole entire place was wired up. So here's what it
35:57
comes down to. Do you believe Glenn Maxwell or do
36:01
you believe the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. That's really what
36:03
it comes down to. And I think that's a litmus
36:05
test because if you believe anything this woman saying, I
36:09
would guess that you're suffering from CTE because there's no
36:13
other explanation. Maxwell. And there were cameras inside the seventy
36:17
first Street that did the plant, the physical plant, because
36:21
it was a commercial building, so you had the whole
36:24
that's a real thing there. It's a commercial building. And
36:26
there were there was one camera on the front door
36:29
internal from the internal that did the front door, as
36:32
I recall, but there were no other cameras inside the house. Blanche.
36:36
Did you ever, how about photographs? Did you ever observe
36:39
mister Epstein or anybody around them take pictures of anybody
36:43
in compromising positions with women or with or with anybody,
36:47
Clenn Maxwell, no Blanche. Did you ever hear when you
36:51
were present four conversations that mister Epstein was having or
36:54
others were having, anybody accused them of blackmailing them or
36:58
trying to extort them because of something mister Epstein knew, Maxwell,
37:02
no Blanche, There have been and you you in the
37:06
discovery you got in the New York case, okay, Maxwell, Yes,
37:10
And in the civil cases that you've been part of,
37:12
Maxwell Yes, associated with mister Epstein, have you ever been
37:16
given or ever given or told that video exists like
37:20
what we're talking about or photos were taken that were compromising,
37:24
Glenn Maxwell, In both of those, I never received no
37:27
pictures or anything from a civil case, Blanche, uh huh. Maxwell.
37:32
But in the criminal case, I received videos of Epstein
37:34
talking to women and stuff like that. I did get those.
37:38
I also saw binders photographs of women, and I never
37:42
saw any well, I don't know. I don't know how
37:44
old some of those women were. There were definitely some
37:47
of the victims from Palm Beach, the photographs of them
37:50
without clothing, Blanche, And in that in those photographs were
37:55
the victims that were photographed? Were there any of the
37:57
people you've talked about, like, were the men with the
38:00
victims or were they just photographs of the victims? Maxwell,
38:04
There was no men with these pictures. There was no
38:06
client of his with those pictures. They would be standalone,
38:10
for want of a better word, like modeling shots. If
38:14
you were, I don't know Marcus pictures with Epstein had
38:17
with girls, but not Epstein with the clients and the girls. Maxwell, correct, Blanche,
38:23
did you I understand you said you got those in Discovery.
38:26
Did you know those pictures, pictures like that existed? So
38:30
right now talking about photographs of victims or photographs of
38:33
women that mister Epstein had it on his computer or
38:37
wherever he had them, did you know that those photos
38:39
existed before you got them in Discovery? Maxwell? Some of them, absolutely,
38:44
because they were in his house. Some of these pictures
38:47
were on his you know, Credenza or whatever. Blanche, Okay, Maxwell,
38:51
some pictures I've simply never seen before. I mean there
38:54
was I had never seen some of them. Some of
38:57
them I had, some of them I hadn't. I mean, Blanche,
39:00
did you? So you're right, and I accept that having
39:03
video or photographs of somebody famous or powerful in a
39:06
compromising position would be good blackmail, but so separate putting
39:11
aside what you've said about the fact that you don't
39:13
know of any existence of those. Did you observe over
39:17
the years the folks were talking about or others which
39:21
we can talk about getting massages from young women, Glenn Maxwell,
39:25
I just I think it's really helpful to understand a
39:28
few things that has been missed in this whole michigus,
39:31
whatever the fuck that means. So what she's trying to
39:35
do here is she's trying to smooth it over, and
39:37
Blanche is letting her do it. If you haven't noticed yet,
39:40
Marcus and Maxwell are the ones running the debt position. Marcus,
39:45
that's the technical term, Blanche, I'll look it up later.
39:48
Go ahead. Maxwell. I've thought about this obviously a lot,
39:53
and I've given it, Blanche yep some this benefit benefit
39:57
of what I saw and some benefit of what now
39:59
I think. So, just for clarity's sake, I just want
40:03
to say for the record that I do believe Epstein
40:05
did a lot, not all, but some of what he's
40:08
accused of, and I'm not here to defend him in
40:10
any respect whatsoever. Well, that's exactly what you're doing. I
40:14
don't want to, and I don't think he requires or
40:17
deserves any type of protection from me in any way
40:21
to sugarcoat what he did or didn't do. So there's that. However,
40:25
the man I met and the man he became, I
40:27
believe that there is a lot of progression, and I
40:29
don't think that the man I met is the man
40:31
that he became. I believe he became that man over
40:34
a period of time. Now we can discuss anything you want,
40:38
and I'll tell you everything I know. But I think
40:40
somebody who has an interest, however you define that in
40:44
underage people, is obviously someone who is unwell. But I
40:48
don't think that you wake up one day and you
40:50
start doing what he's accused of. I think this is
40:53
something that you develop or you progress to. I think
40:56
that because Marcus Golaine. Before you go into all that,
41:00
let's answer the top line question and get into that Maxwell. Okay,
41:04
the top line question is did you ever see any
41:06
of these people with underage women? And what David Marcus
41:10
is doing here is redirecting her, so he gets to
41:13
the point that he's trying to make run cover for
41:16
the administration, run cover for the DOJ, and justify their
41:21
decision to talk to Maxwell. But this is going to
41:24
blow up in their face because the thing she's saying
41:26
in this transcript, a lot of them are verifiably untrue.
41:31
The problem is the people that are doing the deposition
41:34
have zero idea what they're talking about. They don't even
41:37
know the basic story, so that they don't know where
41:39
to dig, they don't know where to push, they don't
41:41
know where to pull. What they're doing is letting Glenn
41:44
Maxwell just spit a bunch of bullshit. No. So the
41:49
reason I'm saying that is not not to avoid that question,
41:52
but it's because by the time when you are talking
41:55
in the nineties, I don't think he was there. There's
41:59
that description, and I think that this what you're talking
42:02
about is a later version Blanche. Yeah, and Maxwell does that?
42:06
Is that? Blanche? No, I understand that, and I do
42:09
want to talk about that. Maxwell. So it's just I
42:13
think you need to separate the periods of time, Blanche. Sure, Maxwell,
42:17
because one of the things that was definitely missing in
42:21
my trial and definitely missing from the narrative is this
42:24
notion that everything happened and he was always But no,
42:28
I don't believe that to be true. Oh yeah, he
42:31
was just you know, a normal guy, right, and he
42:34
just became sick and twisted. Stop the cat. Maxwell. We
42:38
all know what you did to Virginia. We all know
42:41
what you did to Maria Farmer, and we all know
42:43
what you did to Annie. We all know what you
42:44
did to Carolyn, shut your fucking mouth, and anybody out
42:48
here carrying water for Glenn Maxwell, come get that smoke.
42:52
I'm not hard to find, Blanche. So I mean that
42:55
that that's fine, and I do want to talk about that.
42:58
I'm not pushing that away. I'm just putting out aside
43:01
for the moment what mister Epstein did, and frankly, what
43:05
you did or are accused of doing, is one thing
43:08
that I that will talk about. But right now, what
43:11
I want to understand is whether one of the ways
43:14
that mister Epstein befriended his clients or took care of them,
43:17
or some would say blackmail them, was by encouraging them
43:21
to have interactions with women under age or not that
43:26
you're accused of She is a convicted child molester, mister Blanche,
43:29
What the fuck are you even talking about right now?
43:32
So I think in the nineties he may have encouraged them,
43:35
but these were people who were in their twenties or thirties, Blanche.
43:38
So I understand that Maxwell may have. He would have messuses, right,
43:43
and he did male and female by the way, in
43:45
the nineties that have never been discussed, both in yoga
43:49
and everything. There was men as well as women. Yeah,
43:51
you mean like gypsy Agita, the massage therapist that led
43:55
Chante Davies into the belly of the beast, That's what
43:58
you mean. And so if he would travel and I
44:01
can show them to you. I highlighted them on the
44:03
flight record so you could see that there really were
44:05
men that were also there. He would say, like do
44:09
yoga with Tito, or would be like a massage with
44:12
this one, but they would be in their late twenties
44:15
and professional messuss Blanche So, Maxwell, So, I think there's
44:19
a distinction, Blanche, and I want to talk about actual
44:22
individuals here, but I understand the distinction between somebody who's
44:25
an adult and someone who's underage. But even with somebody
44:29
who's an adult, did you know mister Epstein to encourage
44:31
folks to do that, whether it's a client or somebody else, Maxwell, So,
44:37
I certainly witnessed them. So if what you're saying with
44:40
him and you had a massage, he would often travel
44:43
with a massuse. He would say, hey, would you like
44:45
a massage? And he did do that, yes, Blanche, But
44:48
would you or him or anybody else follow up with
44:51
the messus afterwards to find out if there was any
44:54
inappropriate sexual contact. Maxwell, I never did know, Blanche. And
45:00
then coming back to the black mail issue, Maxwell, Yeah, Blanche,
45:04
there's nothing wrong with getting a massage, of course, not
45:07
especially you know, especially if somebody is obviously an adult
45:10
a massuse. I'm not quiddling with that. But my question
45:14
is that there's a lot of accusations that one way
45:17
mister Maxwell, mister Maxwell, I'm sorry, mister Epstein was successful
45:22
was through this idea of blackmail. Maxwell. I never Blanche
45:26
interrupts her, And yes, young women is a crime. Children
45:30
are a crime, Maxwell, Absolutely, Blanche, But even women over
45:35
the age of eighteen. If mister Epstein encouraged these men
45:38
or women to get massages and have inappropriate sexual contact
45:42
with the massuse, that's a separate issue, maybe slightly nuanced.
45:45
But did you ever know him to do that? Maxwell? No,
45:49
I never did, absolutely myself. I never heard him ask someone.
45:52
I never heard that. I never no one in the
45:55
entire time I was with him, or friends with them,
45:58
or had anyone. No one ever reported to me or
46:01
it came to me and said that anything inappropriate happened
46:04
or was upset by. I never saw a tear, I
46:07
never saw any of that. Blanche. And when you say
46:11
no one reported to me, meaning the messuses Maxwell never,
46:15
Blanche or anyone at the house staff, Maxwell never Marcus,
46:20
or the clients Blanche or the clients themselves, Maxwell never.
46:25
All right, we're gonna wrap up right here, and in
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