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EDP21: Monaco DL, Eoin's 3000m, Cork City, Morton Games, Grant Fisher debate, Easy Double Clubhouse announcement · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello, welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 22.
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  I'm joined in All Green for Island by Owen Smith.
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  Must be a big day in Ireland today.
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  Something going on? Yeah, my local team are in All
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  Ireland final, which is, it's very unusual because we are
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  normally very, very bad. But yeah, we're in All Ireland
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  final today. So the whole county will be up
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  in Dublin to Washington play. So I'm heading after this.
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  It's exciting. Sounds like a big Sunday.
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  Any Guinness line though, I'm sure there'll be lots for the
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  community like. There'll be lots, there'll be
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  plenty of Guinness, Drake, but not on my, not on my behalf.
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  Have you, have you ever been able to successfully?
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  Well, I'll welcome Dean before I go into this because I'm going
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  to ask him as well. Welcome to the pod, Dean.
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  How are you doing? Yeah, well, thanks mate.
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  How are you doing? Yeah, I'm very well.
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  Thanks. So I was just going to ask, has
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  anyone ever successfully split the G on a Guinness?
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  I can like confidently say I've had like 3 Guinness in my whole
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  life. It's probably like two more than
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  me. And yeah, I've never split the
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  GI. Don't like it.
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  I don't know how people actually drink it.
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  But no, I've never split the. GI think the game of doing that
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  might be the only way I'd be drinking it, to be honest,
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  because yeah, I feel like you're chewing on it rather than
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  drinking it. So I'm not a huge fan but.
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  That's potentially why we're running instead of talking about
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  running on a Sunday Avo evening rather than at the pub.
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  I can appreciate people drink, like maybe have one because I
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  don't know, whatever, but then like the people who drink it all
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  day and all night, like it's got some stomachs on them.
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  There's a thing, well, if you put like a drop of Ripena in it,
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  it actually tastes like all right, but it's like totally
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  frowned upon. But like, there's a thing where
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  like, there's like Guinness shit and like the day after you drink
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  a load of Guinness, it's just, it's not good.
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  There's a there's an Instagram page called Shit London Guinness
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  and when people get poured an awful pints of Guinness they
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  they send them in and this page reposts it and tags the pub
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  where it's been poured. So it's basically the whole of
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  London. Yeah, anyway, we have a
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  ridiculously large agenda, so spending 5 minutes speaking
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  about Guinness isn't the best way to start, but here we are.
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  We've been listening to some of the feedback about the audio
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  quality. We tried to make some steps to
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  correct it. But yeah, you'll have to see how
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  we get on because it might be a work in progress.
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  But hopefully you can understand us at least and you can stick
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  with us because there is a big episode coming.
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  So just to go over it, we've got running news with meets, a
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  couple of meets in Ireland actually.
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  Owen raced at 1:00 and then there was also some Australians
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  there too. We've got Monaco Diamond League
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  where there was a couple of Australian records going down
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  and and there was a couple of meets in the US as well, so
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  plenty to talk about there. We'll have the usual training
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  week with Owen's race included a couple of other interesting
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  talking points including a contract on the table for Seth
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  O'Donnell and things going on with the London Diamond League
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  start lists, which is next week. Hopefully we'll have time for
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  YouTube Diaries. Also.
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  Hopefully a double trouble will come up at the end and we've got
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  a couple of listener questions. So plenty to be cracking on with
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  boys. I did want to mention that last
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  week we kind of, I alluded to the fact that I can't remember
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  exactly what I said, that we were trying to working on
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  something interesting for the pod where maybe we're going to
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  create a bit of a community space for the listeners to get
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  involved and kind of everyone can interact and share their own
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  opinions and network, I guess like that.
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  So yeah, just to say that this is in the works and you may have
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  seen us allude to something on the Instagram Story the other
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  day, a bit of a teaser with a slightly different version of
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  the logo. So keep your eyes peeled on the
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  Instagram because that's where the updates are going first,
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  which is easy double pod in case you don't already follow, and we
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  will follow you back because we're nice like that.
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  As seen on Grant Fisher's Instagram during the week,
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  because he ran the mile last week and he ran 348.
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  Maybe he posted that. He's now the second person ever,
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  behind only Kajalcha to go a sub 350 in the mile, sub 30 in
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  minutes in the 5K, and sub 27 in the 10K.
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  And he put a pile on a pole to see which is the most difficult.
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  So what would you boys say on that one?
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  That is so tough. Like they are all incredibly
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  hard and what has been done least I feel like so many people
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  have broken 13 for the 527 for the 10.
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  Have too many people broken 27 for the 10?
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  I think so. I just think the mile is such a
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  hard distance and like the four minute barrier is massive and
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  like to go 10 seconds under that.
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  Like I'd nearly say 350 miles just come from me because I have
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  no faster fibers in my body whatsoever.
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  I'm in the Jake card horse sort of club.
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  So yeah, I'd probably go 350 for the mile, you guys.
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  In terms of what's most difficult or most?
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  Impressive. Yeah, probably.
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  I think, I think, I think the same.
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  I mean, they're all pretty amazing.
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  What like no Aussie has ever run under 27 minutes, while a few
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  have run under 13 and there's a few guys under 350, right?
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  So, you know, maybe the first Australian to go onto 27 would
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  be a pretty special barrier to, but I think the toughest one
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  probably is. The world record, though, is
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  343, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Just or the other kid. El Guruge still isn't.
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  It El guruge, yeah. Funnily enough someone just
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  shared Stefan actually shared a video of the last lap of that
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  mile weirdly on Instagram before and I was watching it and
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  there's actually two of them that go to the line.
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  The guy who finished his second is 2/10 behind them maybe and it
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  still that was from 99 still stands today.
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  Some of those races when they're like, when there is a bit of
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  competition that sort of gets the most out of, you know, like
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  some of them where they're just straight time trials, if you're
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  not having your day, it's sort of, God, it must be hard.
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  I, I reckon that the, the 10K is the hardest there.
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  And I did because I knew I was going to ask you, is this a
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  little bit of reading into it? And in terms of those barriers,
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  the 10K has the fewest amount of people who've broken 27.
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  So there's 89 for the five KA, 148 have broken 13, and for the
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  mile 103 have broken the 3:50. So data says that it's the 10K,
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  but obviously that could be biased based on like how many
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  people are running these races because we know there's fewer 10
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  KS than 5 KS on the track. And this is based on the track.
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  Yeah. Yeah, 20 What's 25 laps of the
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  track? 10K is it?
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  Yeah. Yeah, they're not.
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  It's not, It's not that well run.
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  And perhaps the miles may be understated as well, because if
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  you did the 1500 meter equivalent to the conversion to
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  the mile, there would be a lot more.
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  And for what it's worth, Fisher is actually ranked highest
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  amongst the 10K compared to the other two.
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  But I mean that's no really no surprise because he is more of a
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  distance guy isn't he? So it's it's bizarre that he's
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  broken that 350 barrier, to be fair, right.
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  Then moving on to the results, the main one that we've had this
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  week was the Monaco Diamond League.
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  And I know we kind of put a lot of hype into the men's 800 based
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  on the field. And I guess it did live up to it
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  in the sense that Emmanuel Wanjani, who's the Kenyan guy
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  who's been in formal year, he's only 20 years old.
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  He won in a 141.44, which was a meet record and a world lead
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  time this year. But it didn't quite get the the
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  world record barrier that perhaps we're theorizing might
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  go. Josh Howey, the American guy was
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  in second in 142.01 and Sujathi, the Algerian in 3rd in a 142.2.
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  But then perhaps most impressively for a lot of our
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  listeners, Pete Ball was in fourth in a new Australian
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  record in 142.55, which lowers his own record.
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  And it was by actually like 1.3 seconds as well.
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  So it's like a massive jump. So yeah, what what do you think
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  about this one? What is the world record for
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  800? Is it like 40.9 or something?
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  Yeah, I think so. It's still from 2012, isn't it?
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  From the Olympics? Rhodesia.
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  In the Olympic, I think. Is that right?
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  That super fast Olympic final. Like you'd presume it's going to
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  be close to going down outcome like Tokyo like.
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  Yeah. I mean, that's literally like
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  that's, yeah. And Joshua, that's all.
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  But Joshua came out of nowhere this year and there's a 142 guy.
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  Yeah, remember when he ran maybe the American record like 6
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  months ago or something during the indoor season?
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  And because he was almost that unknown, there was like question
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  marks about like, oh shit, how like legit is this guy?
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  Where's he come from? But he's certainly like backed
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  it up since in the outdoor track.
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  Peter Ball, he'll be chuffed to that as well.
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  Those times are just so fast, like I think people like.
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  Around that time when he ran like 144 like dead or
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  thereabouts and like the Olympics was when he when they
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  previously had the record. That's like good for 10th in
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  that race. On the weekend, but those times
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  are just the 8 hundreds just evolved a lot in the last what,
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  five years where just everyone's just running so fast.
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  And it's the same with like the 1500 meters, like it's like the
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  Ingebritt Ingebritton effect, you know, like everyone, because
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  he runs so fast now everyone's trying to keep up with him and
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  now they're running fast. And now these qualifying, I
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  think these qualifying times are so fast as well.
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  So it's like everyone's focusing on not only their finishing kick
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  but also just running quick races.
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  So I don't know it was. It was pretty cool.
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  I think looking at the qualifying time for the 800
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  there, I mean like compared to the others, lots of the
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  qualifiers are like insanely hard to get, aren't they?
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  But like these lads and making the qualifying time look soft
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  because it's 144.5 and as you've just suggested, they're the top
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  ten in this race were below that.
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  But it is literally like the I think maybe there was 8th
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  Olympic finalists in this race or something like that.
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  So there's no surprise. Did you see that one young you
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  though? He just like he went by himself
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  and then Josh how he kind of like closed a little bit, but
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  the rest of them were kind of bunched up and I noticed and
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  what I watched it back to see like kind of how people's race
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  went and maybe 550 through. So like on the back straight
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  before they come round on the second lap, Ball was actually
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  last and then he's just out kicked like the whole field
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  almost. Yeah, he judged it really,
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  really well, didn't he? Sort of came up there, had like
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  a bit of an inside run to finish, and then the first two
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  were sort of a bit of a cut above like that.
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  Josh Hoey ran pretty bravely to sort of try and go with Wan
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  Yoni, I think. Did the commentators mention
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  like it was really well paced? I think because they went
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  through pretty much exactly what they needed to because it looked
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  fast. Everyone was sort of trying to
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  get out and get into position quickly, weren't they?
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  It was like a hot start. Then they settled in right on
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  pace. But then yeah, that Wan Yoni was
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  just like he was, he just looked too good, like he just, he was
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  just clear. And then it was how he was like
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  trying to close the gap but sort of couldn't.
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  And then the rest were all sort of racing for 3rd.
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  You'd say that when you're new, you would have to be the
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  favorite. Now for Tokyo, wouldn't it be
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  after that? Yeah, if you're, if you're
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  offering anything over what, 3? To one, you'd probably take
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  that, I think, yeah. Because Marco A Roth has perhaps
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  in the past been like the other guy who you'd think is the the
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  top achiever then I don't know. He he didn't have a great run
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  based on his own standards. And you think it does the the
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  fact that he's been running some fifteens in Grand Slam as he
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  changes training slightly and he's just dropped off a little
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  bit. You don't know.
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  Moving on to the women's 1000 meters.
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  So this was won by Nelly chapter chair in 229.77.
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  In second was Anderson Wiley of the USA in 230.71.
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  And then third was Jess Hall in a 230.96 in a new Australian
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  record. I think she takes that back from
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  Abby Caldwell, doesn't she? Yeah.
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  Did you watch this race as well, Ron?
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  Did you watch the Timely? Yeah, it was.
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  They went through pretty quickly here, didn't they?
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  Yeah, there was a like a Aussie, fellow Aussie was doing the
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  pacemaking, weren't they? And she was sort of almost
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  getting trampled, I think because they were all trying to,
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  they were all pretty eager early, but I think maybe a bit
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  too fast through 400 they were saying.
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  Yeah, maybe one second or so they were saying, weren't they?
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  But Jess was like, right there, wasn't she?
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  She was keen As for it. Yeah, yeah.
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  I think they went through like 400 and like 58.4 or something
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  like that, which I think if you're trying to run 2. 30 That
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  was sort of. Suggesting that maybe you run
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  that pretty evenly. Like I know in an 800 I was
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  thinking about this, but like in an 800 you positive split, don't
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  you? So you run your first lap
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  quicker than your second lap, but then in a 15, maybe it's you
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  sort of trying to close quickly, like get out fast, settle and
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  then close quickly. So I was wondering what the
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  right pacing strategy is for 1000 meters.
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  And maybe it's pretty even, but I think now sort of suggesting
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  maybe a 58.4 was maybe a bit too fast.
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  And it seemed like it was based on the fact that they didn't
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  hold that, you know, they slowed.
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  Yeah, the last 200 they lost a bit of time, didn't they?
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  The the 800 split in itself was 158.4.
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  So if you think about some of the women's 800 races, like
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  largely if you're running 158, you win in the race and then
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  they've ran on for another 200 meters after that, so.
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  Yeah, it's brutal. But Congrats suggests on the on
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  the new record. You'd wonder why faced if your a
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  gun wasn't in it. Yeah, Is it just too short
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  backup from the world recording? Was it Eugene or whatever last
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  week? Because she she sort of had that
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  what breaking the the mall like she sort of had a few big weeks.
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  Maybe it was one too many, but she'd be in she.
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  She wins that, surely. Yeah, she's got as well.
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  She's got the the world lead this time this year already.
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  So maybe the fact that she's already ran like a good 1K this
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  year, she's not really incentivized to do another.
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  You don't know, but yeah, you'd imagine she wants to cash in on
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  this, the shape that she's in, which I think it might be
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  further down in the agenda. But she's confirmed that she's
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  running a 3000 in C Elsa or something in a couple of weeks.
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  So maybe it's funny because we said about that head to head
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  between her and Chibet over 3K. Maybe we'll get to see it there.
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  What happened to Mary Maura that she came last?
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  Well, like a long way. Yeah, I don't know.
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  She was sort of in the race and the commentators mentioned she
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  sort of just like part way through started fighting early,
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  I think. Yeah, I don't know, just yeah,
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  out of form perhaps. I'm not sure there's.
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  A couple of bad ones in a row for her, isn't it?
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  Sarah, someone from Sarah Lillian, though, 233.
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  Yeah, that's fine. 3 seconds off Jess all.
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  Yeah, she's been having a call to be too fair.
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  Yeah, and good to be getting a start in the Monaco like Diamond
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  League. Pretty cool.
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  Yeah, she's like leveled up this year.
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  Yeah, because she was, I think maybe the last few seasons, some
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  of those European races like pacing, some of these diamond
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  leagues. So it's cool to see the
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  progression. Next we had a men's 5000 meters.
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  So there's whispers of a world record attempt here and
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  obviously the guy to take it up was Yarmouth Kajalche, the big,
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  tall Ethiopian, and he's ended up winning in 1249.46 from the
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  homegrown athlete, the French guy, Jimmy Gracia, who's I think
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  European record holder on the 5K in the road.
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  I was going to say in the track, but the Swedish guy, I'm
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  Grenous, isn't he? And then Beilu of Bahrain was
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  third and 1253.51. So weird the way we we get so
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  used to seeing so many under 13 minutes now.
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  Like in that race there's 123456 like 8 people under 13.
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  It's just crazy. Yeah, and the race felt like a
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  bit of a disappointment, like, and it was Yeah, that's, that's
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  the standard I think of the 5K at the minute, like because
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  Kajolsa is sort of just I, I, I feel like his best chance of
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  winning because he's, he sort of notoriously struggles in those
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  major championships. Like he say he seems to he wins
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  all these diamond leagues and then it gets to like a made the
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  the end of season championship and he like doesn't even feature
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  in the podium. But they're often not not run
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  this way. Like I feel like the best chance
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  he has is just to take take everyone to this point where
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  they can't. Like his ability is just to push
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  past what is a sustainable 5K pace and then keep lapping like
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  he because he blows up with like one to two laps to go, but no
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  one is close to him. Like he's literally like half a
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  half the straight away from everyone.
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  It holds on I I wonder if if he had the if he did that in a in
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  one of those championships, he might win it.
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  You have to give him kudos. Like when you see the the pain
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  that he's clearly in, like and it's like 03 laps to go and
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  you're like. Oh my God.
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  Such a long ways to go like. Yeah, and he just, and he does
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  it. Every time pacemaker drops out
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  he then sends it for about. Two or three.
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  Laps and then he's fucked and then he's dropping like two or
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  three seconds a lap and but wins and it's like, well, you know,
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  like fair play to him. Like no one else is going at
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  that pace. And yeah, it was set up super
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  fast again. What was it?
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  What were they going like 61 seconds of lap thereabouts?
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  Yes, I've got 739 for the 3K splits.
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  And was he? He might have even been.
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  Solo by that point, wasn't he? Reckon so, yeah.
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  But yeah, it was a gutsy run. Did you see the the Let's Run
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  guys, some of their comments, reflections on the race?
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  No, that was sort of. They were.
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  They were mentioning just. So like because Ethiopia?
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  Notoriously like dominates the 5K right, and we've got like the
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  world champs coming up, but they were sort of saying like Gabriel
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  what like is not looking that and they basically listed went
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  through all of the all of the athletes and saying that none of
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  The Ethiopians are looking that impressive at the minute and May
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  but and then that we've got and then the US has like Grant
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  Fisher, Graham blanks and Nico Young and so they're like we're
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  on. They're like, look, maybe
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  someone gets us, but. They're up and.
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  About so I don't know, it's probably not a bad shout to be
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  fair. So they're they're excited.
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  That's their their early take on on things is that the US are
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  well positioned to to meddle at the in the 5K.
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  So they'll be praying that Jacob doesn't make his comeback still,
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  I think. It's OK, just nowhere I think
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  no. Caveat did that.
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  Yeah, exactly. In that race, I'm going actually
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  stepped off after I think it was around 3200, which I'm not sure
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  what happened there, but hopefully he's not injured.
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  Yeah, I did say that. Not sure.
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  Just quickly to round this meet out there was we wouldn't
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  usually talk about sprints too much, but it was interesting
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  because Noah Lyles was back for the 200 meters and he sought
• 20:04
  vengeance against the Olympic champ let's Elita Bogo.
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  So Lyles won in 19.88. Which was a bit of a statement
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  because I don't think the wind was that good either.
• 20:15
  No, it's like it was a negative .9.
• 20:17
  Why was it a negative Headwind. Headwind.
• 20:20
  Yes, I'm so sure he'll be chuffed with himself there
• 20:22
  because that must be his opener this season.
• 20:25
  He's he's pulled out of a few, hasn't he?
• 20:27
  Yeah, why do you know why Gout Gout doesn't get a run in that?
• 20:31
  So he ran in the was it the Monaco's under 23 race and won
• 20:36
  it. But like he won that.
• 20:37
  And I think their their headwind was worse.
• 20:40
  Like I think it was like native 1.7 maybe and he won it in like
• 20:44
  20, like 20.2, which would have been good enough for, I don't
• 20:48
  know, maybe fifth or something like that in that 200.
• 20:50
  Like I wonder why he didn't get a start.
• 20:53
  Yeah, I remember listening to an interview with then if it's like
• 20:55
  his agent or his manager or whatever, and from how he was
• 21:00
  describing their plans for like a season and stuff, it sounds
• 21:03
  like they're trying to, like, protect them almost.
• 21:05
  And I guess keeping them out of these like, major races where
• 21:08
  there's so much attention might be part of the strategy, not
• 21:12
  exposing them to stuff too early.
• 21:14
  But yeah. Yeah, fair enough.
• 21:17
  Yeah, his time, I've seen a conversion with like a flat
• 21:21
  wind, like a neutral wind, and it was like 19.9.
• 21:25
  Oh wow. Yeah.
• 21:26
  Yeah, I did not make that much. That's huge, like 3 1/2 tenths.
• 21:32
  Tenths. Lastly, again, the steeple, I
• 21:34
  wouldn't usually comment on the steeple but it's 3000 meters
• 21:37
  steeple for the men and the long term best in the world guy for
• 21:42
  this event. Alba Carly came through with the
• 21:45
  win in 8/03 from a Japanese guy who was also in 803.
• 21:50
  But why I'm mentioning it is because how the race played out.
• 21:53
  It was, it was pretty mad because I assume you've seen it,
• 21:57
  Dean Albacali was chasing a world record.
• 21:59
  Bosnian almost end up losing the race.
• 22:02
  Yeah, yeah, he had like 2 Moroccan.
• 22:05
  Fellow Moroccan pacemakers set him up for a crack at the world
• 22:08
  record and he was on pace until he wasn't.
• 22:11
  And then what maybe 3 laps to go, started to tighten up.
• 22:14
  And then this Japanese guy sort of like leapt out of the pack
• 22:17
  with like maybe a lap to go, if that and just started like
• 22:22
  clawing him back and was making ground very quickly and overtook
• 22:25
  him maybe over the final back, no a bit before the final
• 22:29
  barrier maybe. And then Elba Kali just did what
• 22:31
  he needed to to get the win, even though he wasn't having the
• 22:35
  best day, still just made sure he got the got the win.
• 22:37
  And this guy ran like a Japanese national record.
• 22:40
  Was it like a 5 second PV or something like that?
• 22:42
  Yeah. So he had a good day.
• 22:46
  Go on. Oh, you know, we're talking
• 22:49
  about magical barriers. I think the magical barrier in
• 22:51
  the staples 8 minutes I think like that's always the yeah is
• 22:55
  the the magical mark, I think. I'm not surprised.
• 22:58
  As good as the guy the Japanese guy's run is, I'm not surprised
• 23:01
  he's ran a national record, because when you think of
• 23:04
  Japanese people, you don't think of steeplechasers, do you?
• 23:09
  No, no, no. I think.
• 23:13
  Condon. Oh, do you remember when Geordie
• 23:15
  Beamish maybe was it World champs where he sort of finished
• 23:18
  like 4th or 5th and there was a couple of Japanese behind like
• 23:22
  El Bakali And was it Germa? Like they were sort of out in
• 23:26
  front, but so they maybe occasionally like have a couple
• 23:30
  of decent ones. But yeah, they're not.
• 23:31
  You don't think of them in the same vein as you do, like the
• 23:33
  Marathon or the Rhodes do. Where's the American guy who
• 23:38
  came second in the Olympics? He was further back than the
• 23:42
  results that we can see there. He was like 828 or something,
• 23:45
  and there was a fall at one point.
• 23:47
  So I don't know if he was involved in it or not, but yeah.
• 23:51
  But this point and Kenny Rooks. Yeah, where's that Matthew
• 23:55
  Wilkinson chap come from? That's the first I heard of him
• 23:57
  to run. 8810 is pretty good. Yes, good point.
• 24:02
  Yeah, I don't know. There wasn't another American on
• 24:04
  the start line who had the BYU vest on, which wasn't Kenny
• 24:07
  Rook, so he well could well be from that same training group as
• 24:10
  well. One, because James, well, James
• 24:13
  Corrigan is BYU as well. He became 11 there.
• 24:16
  It's probably some college kids. Must be he's run like 811.
• 24:21
  They paid their pay base already, yeah.
• 24:24
  I've seen a graphic actually on that Kenny Rock.
• 24:27
  So he, for context, won silver in the most recent Olympics,
• 24:31
  didn't he? And they were comparing kind of
• 24:33
  like his flat track times versus like the rest of the field.
• 24:38
  And they just don't stack up at all.
• 24:39
  Like the the fact that he's been able to win a silver medal at
• 24:43
  the Olympics is insane because when you put them in a flat 5K
• 24:47
  or a flat 3K against the best in the world, he's miles off it.
• 24:52
  It's crazy what like a race can do for you, like the atmosphere
• 24:56
  and just how it changes everything.
• 24:59
  Which we will get to. In in the day and age where like
• 25:07
  everything's kind of black and white, like the fastest person
• 25:09
  wins. You need those type of stories
• 25:11
  though, don't you? Like it's good for the sport.
• 25:13
  Yeah, absolutely. So moving on from Monaco and
• 25:18
  going to Cork City on Wednesday night in the week.
• 25:23
  First up there was a women's 3K which was won by the British
• 25:27
  athlete Megan Keith in 838, which is rity damn quick.
• 25:32
  There was an American second Ellen Fulton in 842 and then a
• 25:36
  New Zealander third, Kimberly May in 845.
• 25:40
  There was 2 Australians further down the field in 6th and 7th,
• 25:43
  Holly Campbell and Kara Fame Ryan.
• 25:46
  They each run 852 and 854. There was a men's.
• 25:51
  I'm sorry. Gone with the women's race you
• 25:54
  won Megan Keith, that she actually broke the meet record,
• 25:58
  which was held by Sonya O'Sullivan.
• 26:00
  So, umm, yeah. She like with like AK to go.
• 26:05
  She just went for home and she just opened up a massive gap.
• 26:08
  So. And she like, I think she came
• 26:10
  last in her Olympic breaks or something like that.
• 26:12
  He'd like a rough two years just gone.
• 26:15
  And so it's great to see her back running, running super,
• 26:17
  super fast. And Wednesday was sort of the
• 26:20
  start of the Irish heat wave that has rocked us, so it was
• 26:26
  pretty warm as well. Did the home crowd Boo her when
• 26:28
  she broke Sonya's record? No, no, no, we're not that bad.
• 26:32
  We're not that bad. It's because she's Scottish.
• 26:36
  If she was full on English then she'd get booed.
• 26:41
  It's funny, like the English, the English fall in the middle
• 26:43
  of everyone's hatred. Like there's a rivalry, rivalry
• 26:46
  with the Welsh, rivalry with the Scottish, rivalry with the
• 26:49
  Irish, and all those other nations get on with each other
• 26:52
  fine, but everyone just seems to hate English.
• 27:01
  Anyway, moving on, you can tell us more about that meat because
• 27:06
  there was a men's three thousands as well.
• 27:08
  Well, there was a couple of men's three thousands, so the
• 27:12
  the A race with the the professional athlete team was
• 27:15
  won by a British guy again Henry Mccluckey, I think he's an
• 27:19
  Adidas athlete in 736 which gives him the 10th fastest all
• 27:25
  time UK 3000 meters I think. Was that a meet record as well,
• 27:29
  Owen? Yeah, yeah, I've never heard of
• 27:32
  this kid before either. Henry Mcloughy, have you?
• 27:35
  He's had a few like decent pacing jobs and stuff and like
• 27:40
  he's had a few GB vests but like kind of like European ones
• 27:43
  mainly. I don't he hasn't had like a
• 27:45
  major champs run yet, but yeah some run.
• 27:48
  Did you watch this race on? Yeah, yeah, I stayed to watch
• 27:52
  the I just went but left before the miles at the very end
• 27:57
  because the race so the event like finished at like 9 or half
• 28:02
  nine and the cork is like 3 hours away from my home.
• 28:05
  So by the time half nine hit like to drive back up and I was
• 28:09
  in work the next day. So I just dipped after after
• 28:12
  this 3K actually. And yeah, it was touch and go,
• 28:16
  like any of them could have won it.
• 28:17
  And when it was a Sprint finish in the end.
• 28:19
  But that Valentin soccer from Uruguay, he's another sort of 1
• 28:23
  to watch because he ran well in Dublin as well.
• 28:26
  But like when you're running like 736, like it's crazy fast.
• 28:31
  Like, and to even put that into more perspective like that took
• 28:34
  them 5K. Lads are going nearly going
• 28:36
  through in that Monaco Diamond League or what are they going?
• 28:39
  They're nearly there. Yeah.
• 28:41
  Would they go through 737 or 39? Yeah.
• 28:44
  Like it's it's crazy. And that's another good run from
• 28:48
  Jackson, Jackson Sharp like 738. But yeah, again, like Jeff put
• 28:53
  into contacts that it was very warm.
• 28:55
  So yeah, I'd say all them boys be happy with that.
• 28:57
  Yeah, what's the case split? It's like 232 or something.
• 29:01
  Average pace, like it's insane. And you've got Stewie Mcswain
• 29:05
  making his comeback as well. He finished 7th and midfield and
• 29:09
  7:44. He was just off the pace or at
• 29:12
  the very start he was sort of like pushing.
• 29:14
  And then what, let's say 12 weeks ago, he just, yeah,
• 29:18
  shocked. He started fading a little bit.
• 29:21
  Still working on getting that full fitness back.
• 29:24
  Yeah. So I mean unfortunately you
• 29:28
  can't comment on the mile then if you didn't see it, but there
• 29:30
  was a mile won by an American guy, Marco Langan in 350 port
• 29:35
  354.59 another Uruguayan, which I don't know why this guy keeps
• 29:41
  coming up this year like we've commented on him a few times.
• 29:44
  Santiago Catroff 355.51 and then oh God, there's one of those
• 29:51
  Irish dodgy names again in 3rd. Oh shit, how the hell do you say
• 29:57
  that? Locate what's his.
• 30:01
  Name Louie Louie. Was it Sean Dean in the in the
• 30:09
  coffee shop the other day? Literally told us about that one
• 30:11
  as well. Louis, look, hey, he was third
• 30:16
  in the 356. Wait so that Santiago to trophy
• 30:20
  came from Monaco to Cork? He's a primer.
• 30:24
  That is crazy. But that Marco Langan, he
• 30:27
  finished so strong. I watched this on YouTube.
• 30:29
  He finished so strong and he was like like with 50 meters to go,
• 30:33
  he starts celebrating and just as he crossed the line, he sort
• 30:35
  of rolled his ankle and then he was running in Dublin.
• 30:38
  A lot of these boys, they run in the Cork and then they run up in
• 30:41
  Dublin as well two days after. So people were talking, might
• 30:44
  have been injured, but now he's, you know, they're just college
• 30:47
  kid. That's common God.
• 30:49
  There was a couple of other noticeable names in the field as
• 30:52
  well. So there was Callum Davis who I
• 30:55
  was going to know, Australian guy who finished fourth in
• 30:59
  356.22, Joe Wigfield of Great Britain, we've referenced him a
• 31:05
  few times before in fifth in the 356.46 and Matt Ramsden of WA,
• 31:12
  Perth in 357.26. So good to see Rambo back
• 31:17
  racing. But I did give Joe a message the
• 31:21
  night before and say there's there's a few names in that
• 31:24
  field for you to try and get a few scalps.
• 31:27
  Would you even happy with that result?
• 31:29
  I reckon so he's kind of like he's not quite at the level to
• 31:32
  be winning these races. I don't think he's still like
• 31:35
  kind of progressing and moving up.
• 31:37
  So to be able to be competitive in this field, I think is is
• 31:40
  great for now. But he's he's run a sub four
• 31:43
  mile on the road as well. He's run maybe 358 on the road.
• 31:46
  So he has, he is very talented like.
• 31:49
  Oh and actually I should give a shout out, there's a lad around
• 31:53
  where I live called Philip Maron and for the last like 2-3 years
• 31:58
  he's ran 4 flat 400.3400.1 and he got into this race here and
• 32:06
  he ran at 3:57. So massive, big PB and it really
• 32:10
  just goes to show if you stick at it and you just get into the
• 32:13
  right race, anything can happen. Huge breakthrough.
• 32:16
  Yeah, massive. Like to knock 3 seconds off and
• 32:19
  like he on a Saturday morning, he trains on the same track eye
• 32:22
  trainer. And like his coaches were saying
• 32:24
  that like he's he is there. Like once it was such a like big
• 32:29
  monkey off his back that like he wasn't just going to like just
• 32:33
  get under 4. He was going to like absolutely
• 32:35
  hammer. So when yeah, to get like 357,
• 32:39
  I'd like to break 4 minutes for the mile.
• 32:41
  It opened so many more doors for you like to get into different
• 32:44
  races and all. So yeah, no Philip Maron.
• 32:47
  Fair play. Would would you be able to do
• 32:50
  any sessions with him or is it like slightly just to close
• 32:53
  above? And when it comes to cross
• 32:56
  country like season, we could probably do a bit of work
• 32:58
  together. But at the moment like he's
• 33:02
  focused on 1500 like miles. So yeah, now if I try and do
• 33:07
  that type of training, he I just wouldn't be able to hack it.
• 33:12
  Like he's running sub 62nd lap there is it for the mile?
• 33:16
  Yeah, it's a break for 60 seconds, isn't it, I think.
• 33:19
  Yeah, yeah. So no, that is not me.
• 33:24
  There's no space for 62nd 4 hundreds in the double threshold
• 33:28
  life moving on then you can tell us about your race as part of
• 33:32
  your do you do your full week because you had a down week,
• 33:35
  didn't you? And you can tell us how all that
• 33:36
  went. We'll go to Dublin on was it
• 33:40
  Saturday night, the Morton Games in Dublin.
• 33:42
  There was a 5000 meters for the men here which was won by
• 33:46
  Valentin Soca of Uruguay again. So he was the guy who finished
• 33:50
  second in Cork in the 3000 meters.
• 33:53
  He ran 1318.88. In second was Matt Strangio of
• 33:59
  the US in 1320 and 3rd Miguel Martinez of Spain in 1321.
• 34:05
  So of note in this field, Owen. Further down we've got your boy
• 34:09
  Efrem Gede who's run 1325. We've got Sundra Mowen, the
• 34:14
  Norwegian marathon record holder who's run 205 in 1326.
• 34:20
  We've got Phil Sussman who's on the GB marathon team at the
• 34:24
  minute, who's run 1329, and then we've got Owens, other man from
• 34:28
  the YouTube Diaries section, Cormac Dalton in 1334.
• 34:33
  So yeah, again it was extremely warm this evening.
• 34:39
  The your man Soca like he's got wheels.
• 34:42
  He just kicked them all and Jack O'Leary who came forward, he ran
• 34:47
  like a an 18 second PB as well. So I think with after 2K in the
• 34:53
  race, he got disconnected from that lead pack and yeah, he just
• 34:57
  started reeling them all in and then massive, massive run.
• 35:01
  Like there's a massive breakthrough run for him from
• 35:03
  1322. And from the day I heard he, I
• 35:07
  don't think he was happy after that race.
• 35:08
  I think he just stormed off. So he might have been expecting
• 35:12
  a little bit more. And like, Cassandra Moen, a
• 35:14
  marathoner, and Phil Sessman, Like, it just goes to show,
• 35:17
  like, you need to be able to run, like, fast to run.
• 35:22
  Like, if they're running a 131330, let's say, 5K, when they
• 35:27
  jump right back down to the marathon pace, that is going to
• 35:29
  feel so easy for them boys. They're just going to be
• 35:32
  chilling. So yeah.
• 35:35
  Did you hear? Do you still listen to the four
• 35:39
  guys, Ryan and they were talking about because Sandra Moen I
• 35:44
  think recently left Renato Canova to be coached by MTC,
• 35:49
  Nick Badot, I think. And they were talking about
• 35:52
  because I think like Sandra Moen does so much or had, I think
• 35:57
  under overdone so much like specific marathon stuff.
• 36:02
  And so somebody's marathon training was like really dulled
• 36:04
  but sort of hadn't worked on speed.
• 36:06
  That was sort of the guys were commenting a bit because maybe
• 36:08
  they'd spent some time with him. I think that was them.
• 36:11
  Was that right, Ron? Am I?
• 36:12
  Recalling this correctly. And they were.
• 36:14
  Saying. Yeah.
• 36:15
  And they were saying that he sort of got him back into a
• 36:18
  speed block and feels a little bit like it feels a little bit
• 36:23
  foreign, but it's obviously now starting to convert.
• 36:26
  Right, so. That's a pretty solid time.
• 36:28
  Like it's still not at the same time as some of these like
• 36:31
  speedier mile 3K type guys, but interesting to see what whatever
• 36:37
  Nick's got him doing is sort of helping him get his ceiling
• 36:40
  back. So then like you say Owen, when
• 36:42
  he goes back to the marathon, it will probably might set him up
• 36:46
  to get back towards that sort of two O 5 sort of shape because he
• 36:49
  sort of ran that two O 5 some years ago now.
• 36:52
  Yeah, I was going to say that that 1326 for him, I don't think
• 36:55
  it was quite APB. Maybe he's run like 22 or
• 36:58
  something before, but he hasn't been close to his two O 5 shape
• 37:02
  for a while either, has he? So this is probably like a good
• 37:05
  sign really. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 37:07
  And, and cool as you're getting older to know you can sort of
• 37:09
  get quicker again if you sort of, you know, do the specific
• 37:13
  training. And same with Sussman, that was
• 37:16
  a 16 second PB for him and a scene like through his Instagram
• 37:20
  and stuff, he seems to be like made-up with that.
• 37:22
  And he said along the lines of like track season done.
• 37:26
  So that suggests to me that there was like a clear objective
• 37:30
  to run a track season, increase the five KPB and then go and
• 37:34
  apply it back to the marathon. So I'm sure he'll be keen to
• 37:37
  jump back into a big block now. Yeah, and he's running Tokyo.
• 37:41
  Is he at World Champs? Assessment.
• 37:44
  Yeah, I actually don't know what the the rest of the squad looks
• 37:49
  like in terms of who's qualified.
• 37:51
  It should look really, because it'd be pretty interesting.
• 37:55
  So obviously we talk about the Australian marathon teams and
• 37:58
  stuff so much. We'll have to preview.
• 38:00
  That in the later. Yeah, well, on the yeah, maybe
• 38:04
  we'll, we'll go into more depth and prepare on it because it's
• 38:07
  worth a good chat. Do also the men's, the Morton
• 38:11
  games, there was a men's mile home favorite Andrew Koskaran
• 38:15
  took the win in 351.12. Cattle Doyle was second in
• 38:21
  351.26. Dara Macclenny was third in
• 38:26
  351.99. This was a mad field as well,
• 38:30
  like you've got Nick Griggs, Brian Face, Stuart Mcswain, Matt
• 38:34
  Ramsden, Charles Wheeler. Like the Irish is where it's at
• 38:40
  drawing the crowds. Guys like top five are Irish,
• 38:45
  all running. 3, 351-350-1351, 250-2352.
• 38:51
  Like the standard of running in Ireland at the moment is like,
• 38:54
  it's probably the best it's ever been.
• 38:55
  Like, did you just watch this race now?
• 38:57
  Like coming down the home straight, Kyle Doyle was coming
• 39:02
  up on Andrew Costner's shoulder and Andrew Costner kept on
• 39:05
  pushing them out and out and out.
• 39:06
  So they literally were in lane four and five coming up to the
• 39:10
  home straight. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 39:13
  But Andrew Costner had him in the end.
• 39:14
  Dermat Delheny. He's not even a Miller he'd be
• 39:17
  focusing on the 5K for, so for him to run, for him to be a 351
• 39:21
  miner now leading into a 5K, like it's only going to be good
• 39:26
  things. Nick Griggs wouldn't be a miler
• 39:28
  either. Like he's more of distance focus
• 39:30
  as well. And Brian Fay, like he came from
• 39:32
  nowhere to run like he was easily tent and he picked off so
• 39:37
  many just on that home straight. Yeah, unbelievable running from
• 39:41
  the Irish there. And I'd say Stewie was pretty
• 39:43
  happy with that as well. Like the 353.
• 39:47
  Yeah. And I'll savage running from the
• 39:48
  boys. So in terms of like Islands 1500
• 39:52
  team, how many of these make that all?
• 39:55
  And how many is on the team? 3 I think.
• 39:58
  So Costkar and Doyle and then like your man James Gormley, he
• 40:04
  would have been on the indoor team.
• 40:06
  He finished 11th there today or there on Friday.
• 40:10
  So he's there, thereabouts. Like Dermot Kenny would say,
• 40:14
  call himself a 5K guy, I'd say, and he finished a couple of
• 40:18
  years ago, he finished fourth in the 3K European Indoor and then
• 40:24
  he fell off. He had a really rough few years
• 40:27
  and injuries kept on getting sick.
• 40:30
  And it's just after clicking for him again there.
• 40:32
  Nick Griggs is only under 23. That's an under 23 national
• 40:36
  record for Ireland. So yeah, Irish running is in a
• 40:41
  is in a really, really, really good place at the moment.
• 40:44
  You know, just referencing the like the GB marathon team and
• 40:48
  you talking about the Irish 1500 team there.
• 40:51
  I feel like with Australia, like we get so much insight into the
• 40:55
  athletes and where they're at and like what the next plans are
• 40:58
  because they're on like lots of podcasts and they talk openly
• 41:01
  about it and stuff. But just don't feel like you get
• 41:03
  the same access with the British and the Irish athletes.
• 41:06
  So you don't really know much about them until you see them
• 41:09
  race essentially, do you? I was lately just talking about
• 41:12
  that there yesterday night. Whatever.
• 41:15
  I think it's just the socials. They're way more active in
• 41:18
  Australia, whereas in Ireland and England it's like more
• 41:20
  private. But now it is slowly changing.
• 41:23
  It's just like they're way, way behind even like events like
• 41:27
  being active on let's say Instagram and all that sort of
• 41:29
  stuff and like pushing like we've this athlete coming all
• 41:32
  this like Ireland, England, they just don't have that yet.
• 41:35
  So it's only a matter of time to be honest.
• 41:37
  You'll Start learning more about the athletes and their stories
• 41:40
  and all. And like, I feel like when you
• 41:41
  know the athletes story, you can really, really get behind them.
• 41:45
  Same with Jake, like you sort of want to roof from because he's
• 41:48
  sort of like the underdog. So yeah, times are changing.
• 41:53
  But even like when you consider like the Australian stars like
• 41:56
  Brett, Andy, Izzie, calm, like Stewie and stuff, like as
• 42:02
  talented as they are, they're also like very personable and
• 42:05
  almost like approachable. Like you feel like you kinda you
• 42:08
  know them because you get like exposed to them so much through
• 42:11
  media. But think about the like, Josh
• 42:14
  Kerr or Mary Karis or something that they're almost like they're
• 42:17
  just so like cut off from everything.
• 42:19
  There's, I don't know, it's mad, isn't it?
• 42:21
  They're like untouchable. Yeah, great.
• 42:23
  I imagine trying to get Josh Kerr on a on a Patreon series
• 42:26
  like just wouldn't happen with it, no.
• 42:30
  No. I've slide into his DMS anyway,
• 42:33
  see what's happening. Watch this space.
• 42:44
  Owen conscious. You're going to have to drop out
• 42:46
  soon. Did you want to tell us about
• 42:47
  your week? Yeah, so my week, what day did
• 42:53
  this week start on what date? And it was the 7th, just Roman
• 43:00
  Strava. Yeah, 7th. 7th So coming off the
• 43:05
  Sunday, which was a pretty hard long run, I done just 45 minutes
• 43:10
  in the morning just chilling at 438 pace, like get out the door,
• 43:14
  shake the legs. And then that evening I done an
• 43:17
  easy double and I got 35 minutes in with some strides.
• 43:22
  Just again get the legs moving. Being conscious that I'd race in
• 43:25
  a couple of days. Tuesday I normally have a double
• 43:28
  threshold day, but with the race on the Wednesday I just done 45
• 43:33
  minutes and it was 6 by 100m strides.
• 43:37
  Then race day I'd done 40 minute shake out in the morning.
• 43:42
  So the whole plan like this wasn't an A race, so I still was
• 43:47
  conscious of like keeping out sort of a relatively high
• 43:50
  training load. So in the morning for 40 minutes
• 43:54
  and at like 446 pace. So yeah, again, just shaking out
• 43:58
  the legs. Then my mother and father
• 44:01
  actually drove me down to the race, which was really, really
• 44:05
  nice because they'd normally like all the years they would
• 44:08
  have brought me to like cross country events and all that sort
• 44:10
  of stuff. So it's really wholesome.
• 44:12
  Like you sort of forget about it.
• 44:14
  But like driving down with them for a race, it was really,
• 44:16
  really nice. And like it's a 3 hour drive so
• 44:20
  I could just lie down in the back, stretch out the legs, we
• 44:23
  stopped halfway, get some food. So yeah, I really, really
• 44:25
  enjoyed that. And then got down to the race
• 44:30
  and this was really, it was a new experience for me because
• 44:33
  there was like a call room. So 20 minutes before the race
• 44:37
  you have to go into a call room. So I only found that out after
• 44:43
  I'd done like my little 15 minute jog.
• 44:45
  So normally I do my warm up like an hour before the race.
• 44:50
  So it was sort of like good practice for nationals because
• 44:53
  nationals will be a call room as well.
• 44:55
  So ideally I'd now start my warm, let's say an hour and 15
• 44:59
  just so I can keep in the same routine.
• 45:01
  So yeah, anyway, I done a 15 minute warm up and then I, my
• 45:06
  coach told me to do 2 by 3 minutes a threshold just to get
• 45:10
  the legs moving. And I was halfway through my
• 45:13
  first 3 minutes and I could feel like I was getting warm and like
• 45:17
  I could feel my heart rate rising.
• 45:18
  So I was like, alright, I'll just call that 2 minutes.
• 45:21
  So I just done two by two minutes a threshold and then
• 45:24
  like I felt really, really good. So I knew I sort of on for one
• 45:28
  and then the race. So it was like a stacked field.
• 45:32
  It was like like 28 people in the race.
• 45:35
  But it's really cool because there's a really good atmosphere
• 45:37
  at it because it was it was a pretty like deep to me.
• 45:40
  It was like a bronze label meet. So like those big points on the
• 45:43
  line for like the elite athletes.
• 45:45
  So yeah, there was really, really good crowd and I hadn't
• 45:48
  run a track race since since the 5K in Perth back in January.
• 45:53
  So yeah, sort of just getting familiar with that again.
• 45:57
  So I just sat back for the first.
• 46:00
  Yeah, go on. Was it was it was it paced and
• 46:03
  did you like in terms of standard like it?
• 46:06
  What did you have a feel for? Sort of what, how quick it was
• 46:09
  probably going to be one or or sort of set up in.
• 46:13
  So yeah, last year it was one in 835.
• 46:18
  So I knew it'd be like their thereabouts, but and I knew my
• 46:24
  coach done some research on some of the lads in it and they were
• 46:26
  like in around like eight, 35830 shape.
• 46:29
  So sort of knew who to look out for.
• 46:31
  But like I wasn't really sure what shape I was in.
• 46:34
  I thought I'd run between like 8:40 and 8:35.
• 46:37
  So I was conscious of just like the first mile, just sitting
• 46:41
  like feeling good basically after the first mile.
• 46:45
  And I think it opened up in like a 72 and then some boys, yeah,
• 46:50
  yeah, it was slow at the start. And then some of the boys
• 46:53
  started dropping 60 sevens. And then I sort of just, I got
• 46:57
  sort of got boxed in at the start.
• 46:59
  So I sort of had to drop back a bit and try and move out.
• 47:02
  And then I was running lane 2 for a little bit and through a
• 47:05
  mile I felt like really, really good.
• 47:07
  So it's like, all right. So I started moving up a little
• 47:10
  bit, just latching on to the back of that lead pack and yeah,
• 47:14
  just I felt really, really good. And coming up to the home
• 47:18
  straight, you sort of got, you sort of got caught behind some
• 47:20
  lap runners. And so, yeah, I finished up
• 47:23
  running 827, which I was pretty shocked.
• 47:28
  And because I literally had done like 11 like decent track
• 47:31
  session on the Saturday leading up to the race on the Wednesday.
• 47:35
  So yeah, I was, I was pretty happy with how that turned out.
• 47:40
  And yeah. And wait.
• 47:42
  And you were just just behind the winner.
• 47:44
  Yeah, yeah, right. Behind the winner and looking
• 47:46
  back on it, I was when I was coming to the home straight, a
• 47:49
  lap runner got on my way. So we sort of have to stall for
• 47:52
  a little bit, sort of wait for him to like, get around him.
• 47:55
  So like, that probably broke my momentum a tiny bit.
• 47:58
  But look, I wasn't expecting to run 827.
• 48:02
  So if you told me I was going to run that, I would have liked to
• 48:05
  start laughing at you. Really.
• 48:07
  So yeah, no. Happy with where things are at,
• 48:11
  I just need to keep it up. It wasn't like you.
• 48:15
  It wasn't like you were ahead with 50 meters to go and started
• 48:18
  waving your arm around or anything like that.
• 48:21
  No, no, no, no, no. He was a high.
• 48:24
  Yeah. No, I was coming from behind.
• 48:27
  No bicarb. I did and it was funny.
• 48:30
  So when I was I took bicarb 2 hours before the race, had a cup
• 48:34
  of coffee and yeah apparently it worked.
• 48:40
  And it was funny when I was dead little athletes room.
• 48:43
  So after the race the elite athletes were just walking in
• 48:46
  getting ready and the boys had their same brand bicab.
• 48:50
  And I was like oh man, this tastes this watch of this tastes
• 48:54
  like shit. And it's like yeah I know.
• 48:56
  But the more I think he said the more in one tastes worse or
• 48:59
  something like that. And I was like hardly.
• 49:02
  But he hadn't, his one was like mint flavored and he was asking
• 49:05
  me like which one do I put in first?
• 49:07
  Because you get like 2 little packets and yeah, so I eat it
• 49:11
  with a spoon. But your man's like Oh no, just
• 49:14
  like naked. So in future I'll probably just
• 49:16
  naked because it is painful. It is genuinely the worst
• 49:20
  tasting thing ever. And it's like the consistency
• 49:23
  and Oh yeah, no, it's not good. And how was your stomach
• 49:26
  afterwards? Oh grand, yeah, I feel like my
• 49:29
  tummy like my stomach is good, like normally with all the gels
• 49:33
  and like I'm pretty good with taking like it.
• 49:35
  My tummy's like strong enough to call them if they get me, like
• 49:38
  even all them carb drinks. Somebody sometimes they upset
• 49:41
  people's tummy as well as mine seems to get on with it, which
• 49:45
  is good for the future hopefully.
• 49:47
  And and you're the next section. Just just your reflections in
• 49:53
  terms of where your shapes at and you know, did your coach
• 49:56
  pass any comments about obviously this is probably
• 49:59
  you're probably further ahead than what you thought you might
• 50:01
  be and just any thought, thoughts or anything any chats
• 50:04
  you've had? Yeah, so we I am further ahead
• 50:07
  and like he taught he wouldn't, he didn't have me this before
• 50:10
  the race, but he thought I was in 835 shape.
• 50:13
  So yeah, I'm further on ahead. And like you'll hear at the end
• 50:18
  of this week, now we're like touching on the speed work.
• 50:21
  So he feels if I do get my speed in, like I should be like
• 50:25
  nationals is in. It's at the start of August, so
• 50:28
  it's probably coming a little bit soon, but it's basically a
• 50:31
  free hit again. I'll try and get another track
• 50:34
  race at the end of August and then I'll probably take a little
• 50:37
  bit of downtime before building up for cross country.
• 50:41
  And what will? Your race Nationals.
• 50:43
  I'll race the 5K, which will be pretty interesting because you
• 50:46
  have like the 13 low guys, you've got 14 guys, 14 minute
• 50:51
  guys and then you've probably got me.
• 50:52
  So it'll be an interesting race to see what way that plans out.
• 50:56
  But again, like, it's the races you want to be in and hopefully
• 50:59
  I get into the A race, but dead as you want to be and you get
• 51:03
  dragged along to a fast time. So basically I just need to keep
• 51:07
  fit and healthy. It's just like there's no point
• 51:10
  of getting like a good couple of weeks under my belt and now just
• 51:12
  like falling off a Cliff now again.
• 51:14
  So I just need to keep a living that like the intensity is going
• 51:17
  to ramp up. So probably my mileage will cut
• 51:20
  down a little bit just to keep like everything in balance.
• 51:24
  But yeah, at the moment I'm feeling all right.
• 51:28
  So the next morning I was meant to have 80 minutes, but because
• 51:32
  I got back like late enough, I split it into two runs.
• 51:36
  So I don't have 40 minutes in the morning at 440 pace.
• 51:40
  And then on a Thursday I do gym with my coach, so he's a little
• 51:44
  gym in his house. So I went and done gym with him
• 51:48
  and then I got out straight after that to do my second 40
• 51:52
  minutes again, 440 pace and my legs are feeling decent.
• 51:55
  Like I thought my calves would be torn up to bits after doing
• 51:59
  the track race, but because it was only three K like it was
• 52:01
  only 8 1/2 minutes worth of work.
• 52:03
  Like it actually pulled up pretty well, so I was happy with
• 52:05
  that. The brand new spikes would have
• 52:07
  helped as well. They actually have a bit more in
• 52:11
  them I feel. The Dragonfly twos.
• 52:13
  It's all meant to be and. Then Friday, totally off feed
• 52:20
  up. I think it's crazy because like
• 52:23
  my average steps for a day is normally like well over like
• 52:26
  2025 thousand steps. And then on a Friday, I work
• 52:30
  from home, I literally don't move.
• 52:32
  So it's like under 5. So like yeah, and it's so warm
• 52:36
  here right now. I cannot, I cannot guys.
• 52:41
  Yesterday, alright, I'll bring out Saturday.
• 52:43
  Saturday it was track session. I've been Googling like Dublin
• 52:48
  weather for the past two weeks. I'm trying to see where it gets
• 52:54
  it's like high of 24 high of like it 28 maybe 2827.
• 53:04
  Equivalent to like 50° in person.
• 53:08
  It was so yesterday track session without for a warm up.
• 53:11
  And then the session was three sets of 1K600400200 and there
• 53:19
  was 90 seconds break in between them.
• 53:22
  And I don't know whether it was the lactic, the heat.
• 53:26
  I was just finessed. So the the one KS were hopefully
• 53:31
  in 5K case. So I done them in around like 71
• 53:34
  seventies. The six hundreds were in 3K
• 53:37
  pace, so around 6768. The four hundreds were in around
• 53:42
  6460 threes and the two hundreds were in around like 2920 eights.
• 53:47
  So yeah, total. I think after the second set I
• 53:52
  was in the bin like just filled with lactic.
• 53:57
  Every time I hit like the 200m mark of a set, I was like just
• 54:00
  getting shot by the lactic sniper.
• 54:02
  I was in the bin like headache everything.
• 54:07
  And it's probably like the effects of the race as well.
• 54:10
  I don't know. I was just so, so tired.
• 54:14
  But like in that session, it was AK word of work and like I
• 54:17
  wasn't too far off hitting all the all of the set paces as
• 54:20
  well. But umm, yeah, the heat was just
• 54:23
  an absolute killer. And like, it was.
• 54:28
  Maybe that's your body because hasn't done you haven't done
• 54:30
  much track work in ages. And then when you've done that
• 54:32
  race, you had the Watch Me Call It by Carb Black.
• 54:37
  Carb, yeah. So then your body's like, we'll
• 54:39
  hang on. Last time we've done this, you
• 54:41
  gave me all this bicarb and I was able to buffer the lactic
• 54:44
  and now you've given me nothing, so I'm going to smash you.
• 54:47
  Yeah, basically. And the heat, we cannot stress
• 54:51
  how hard it was. They had to.
• 54:54
  There's posts up on Facebook telling people not to go to the
• 54:57
  beaches because there was no parking because the whole
• 55:00
  country was at the beach. It was crazy.
• 55:03
  I had a barbecue in Ireland. Like it's so weird.
• 55:08
  I seen a guy last night who's from the UK as well and he said
• 55:12
  oh, like he was for how how much they can't handle the heat.
• 55:17
  Like, obviously it's been hot, but he was like seeing a post on
• 55:20
  Facebook and there's people saying don't leave lighters
• 55:24
  inside your car because they might explode.
• 55:28
  There's like water bounds in place even though next week it's
• 55:32
  going to be flash for loads probably.
• 55:35
  You can you can educate them on air temperature plus dew point.
• 55:39
  Temperature equals heat adjusted pace.
• 55:42
  You know, like it's I. Don't understand that I need
• 55:44
  you. Clearly, because no one needs to
• 55:46
  in Ireland. It's the.
• 55:47
  It's the three days of the. Year where you have to have.
• 55:50
  Regard to it but. But then air con doesn't exist,
• 55:55
  does it? So what are you trying to manage
• 55:56
  with like? A Yeah, yeah.
• 55:59
  We don't even have fans, we just opened the window normally.
• 56:07
  But yeah, that evening I got out for 45 minutes at 435 pace just
• 56:12
  to shake the legs out. And then this morning, this
• 56:15
  morning I had my long run. So an hour and 40 this four,
• 56:20
  first 40 chilling and then I done 2 sets.
• 56:24
  Well, 10 minutes between 326 and 318 per kilometer pace, 5 minute
• 56:30
  flow and another 10 minutes at that pace again.
• 56:33
  And then just jog. And I had to like my heart rate
• 56:38
  was through the roof right from the off.
• 56:41
  Normally at these long runs, it normally sits like mid one 30s,
• 56:45
  but it was like mid one 50s, like from the off.
• 56:49
  Yeah, I am in the oven. Yeah, into the Irish oven.
• 56:52
  Didn't think I'd ever say. I had to stop after like I think
• 56:55
  I'd like 30 minutes left and I had to like go into like a local
• 56:59
  little. Is there littles in Australia or
• 57:01
  is it ALDI? ALDI.
• 57:03
  ALDI, there's boat over here. So I had to call into a little
• 57:06
  to get a bottle of water because obviously there's no water
• 57:09
  fountains in Ireland. So on these long runs, I'm there
• 57:13
  like dying of thirst. So what they call them to a shop
• 57:16
  at least. And that was sort of a nice way
• 57:17
  to like let the heart rate reset because I was doing my floats
• 57:21
  and like, it was nearly 160. Like it was just, it was not
• 57:24
  going down. And so, yeah, I got my liter of
• 57:28
  water into me and then just like jogged the last 30 minutes and
• 57:32
  like, my legs feel poppy. Like the effort felt good.
• 57:35
  It's just my heart rate was really high.
• 57:37
  So look, I'm just tired coming off a big week.
• 57:39
  Yeah. So yeah, 115, nearly 116
• 57:43
  kilometers for the week with like a race and all really big
• 57:46
  track session. So just hopefully another two
• 57:48
  more big weeks and then I'll erase the 5K and we'll see how
• 57:52
  we get on with the big boys. Did you, did you get an
• 57:55
  unpleasant surprise when you got back home remembering what the
• 57:59
  public toilet situations like? Is it the same as in the UK?
• 58:03
  As in, like there's none anywhere, and if they are,
• 58:05
  they're either like vandalized or haven't been serviced in six
• 58:08
  months and there's shit everywhere or they're locked.
• 58:12
  Where I am, there's none. Your local toilet is like a
• 58:15
  ditch on the side of the road. So yeah, no toilets, no water.
• 58:23
  Well, I get to work on here. We're based based on the results
• 58:28
  we've read off. You're punching above your
• 58:30
  waist. You guys don't realize how lucky
• 58:33
  you are like the new Kenya and Ethiopia.
• 58:40
  Based on all the all the chat on the Coffee Club Dean about the
• 58:44
  heat acclimatation acclimatization training, the
• 58:49
  heat being a poor man's old shoes is actually getting some
• 58:52
  weight thrown towards it now. Yeah, I'm, I'm desperate to get
• 58:56
  my hands on one of those heat like temperature devices so we
• 59:02
  can sort of track it. It'd be it'd be so cool to wear
• 59:04
  1 during summer and see like what happens wouldn't it?
• 59:07
  200% acclimatized I. See.
• 59:10
  Just come over here to Ireland to do some heat training when
• 59:14
  it's winter over in Paris. Perfect.
• 59:18
  Could be on to something. Come on, Rise, I'm going to have
• 59:21
  to dip, OK? Yeah, all good.
• 59:23
  Thanks for your contribution. Good.
• 59:25
  Good to hear about your race. Well done.
• 59:27
  I'll chat to this child and I'll see you next week.
• 59:30
  Bye, mate. Dean, do you want to tell us
• 59:32
  about your week? Yeah, I can.
• 59:35
  Yeah, whip through mine. So Monday is just the usual
• 59:39
  commute to commute runs to and from the office.
• 59:43
  Tuesday's a. I commuted in and then to the
• 59:46
  track in the afternoon as I normally do.
• 59:50
  Sorry to. Interrupt.
• 59:51
  You already can. Can I ask you this question now?
• 59:53
  Because it's been a listener question for a few weeks and we
• 59:56
  we've never got round to it. Yes, it's very relevant to your
• 1:00:00
  commutes. So Eric Neville says as an
• 1:00:04
  aspiring commuter, I find it pretty unpleasant to run with a
• 1:00:08
  bag of any size. Would be interested to see if
• 1:00:11
  there's anything Dean has done to make Logan clothes in and out
• 1:00:14
  of the office more pleasant. Yeah, my trick is just to carry
• 1:00:17
  less so, but that's not completely avoidable for
• 1:00:21
  something so like nowadays. So I sort of have a computer in
• 1:00:26
  the office and then a computer at home so I don't have to
• 1:00:29
  transport that. And then what I'll do is take in
• 1:00:32
  like a heap of like chinos and my work shoes and all the other
• 1:00:38
  bits and pieces, like I'll have like an inventory of bits and
• 1:00:41
  pieces in the office, like in my locker.
• 1:00:44
  And so then all I need to do is run in and out of the office
• 1:00:47
  like socks, jocks and a polo, a work polo.
• 1:00:51
  So which hopefully doesn't need an iron.
• 1:00:54
  So that's the way I keep it as simple as possible.
• 1:00:57
  So then the backpack I carry is really small.
• 1:01:00
  The only other thing I add to it is a pair of racing flats on
• 1:01:02
  Tuesday, Thursday. So I would, so my suggestion
• 1:01:07
  having commuted a lot is that if you can limit the amount that
• 1:01:10
  you're carrying, that's the best way.
• 1:01:12
  Because I find backpacks annoying as well.
• 1:01:14
  And I have on occasion if I'm trying to carry too much, hurt
• 1:01:18
  my back or the back part of my ribs and needed to go to the
• 1:01:21
  physio to get sort of get it worked on because it sort of
• 1:01:24
  locks up. So limiting the amount you put
• 1:01:26
  in the back, you know, it's not like cycling, like a lot of the
• 1:01:29
  cycling commuters tend to have these pretty big back backpacks
• 1:01:32
  that they can carry a heap of stuff on.
• 1:01:34
  But running, I think the best thing you can do is limit it.
• 1:01:38
  And then, yeah, just find a I've tried a few different backpacks,
• 1:01:41
  but you just want to find one that sits, really sits really
• 1:01:45
  well that sort of has a few places to sort of fasten up so
• 1:01:47
  that it's not not everything's jumping around within the back
• 1:01:51
  backpack. Like I have it fit pretty snug.
• 1:01:54
  And I've had that for maybe like 15 years, the same backpack.
• 1:01:56
  It's been pretty good to me. But yeah, that would be my tips.
• 1:02:00
  So the key is to do a trip into work with like half your
• 1:02:04
  wardrobe to get it there. Pretty much and then just on OK
• 1:02:08
  like once every couple of weeks when I have to clear out a heap
• 1:02:10
  of crap, I'll I'll grab it. But I hate a bit like Neville.
• 1:02:14
  I hate running with a heap of stuff in my my backpack.
• 1:02:17
  So that's how I manage it week to week.
• 1:02:20
  So I've always took took your your story at face value, but
• 1:02:24
  when was the last time that your chinos were washed then if
• 1:02:26
  they're the ones that just stay in the office?
• 1:02:28
  Oh, I've got maybe like 4 pairs I'd say in there and then I'll
• 1:02:32
  just once every few weeks I might get house to pick me up
• 1:02:36
  and I'll take, I'll get them cleaned by I get them clean the
• 1:02:41
  house, they've put them in the magical basket and then I find
• 1:02:44
  them cleaned and get dropped off in the office again.
• 1:02:47
  So. It's a good, it's a good towel.
• 1:02:50
  To be honest, that's probably the other part that maybe you
• 1:02:54
  know. Having a support team.
• 1:02:56
  I didn't mention to Neville. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:58
  He's try getting a very helpful wife that'll wash everything.
• 1:03:02
  Can drop you off at the office every day and again and you're
• 1:03:04
  laughing there. You go.
• 1:03:06
  That's probably the best, best advice we've given out on this
• 1:03:09
  podcast today. That's the only way I'm able to
• 1:03:12
  record at 6:00 when the kids are kicking off.
• 1:03:20
  But yes, Tuesday night I was at the track 4.
• 1:03:24
  It's a four lap build into you'd remember this one, Ryan, but
• 1:03:28
  it's like 4 lap build and then it's Oh, you, you actually had
• 1:03:32
  front row seats right, So I I saw.
• 1:03:34
  You there? So, yeah, Chief.
• 1:03:37
  Cheerleader. That's right.
• 1:03:39
  So no. Yeah, 4 lap build into 5 by 5
• 1:03:43
  sets of 800 meters at VO2 and then 60 seconds static rest.
• 1:03:47
  And then 400 meters, a little bit quicker than the, the 8
• 1:03:51
  hundreds and the four and two minutes static Crest after each
• 1:03:55
  400. So yeah, 800 four, 100 * 5.
• 1:04:02
  And yeah, I was joined Luke Bates.
• 1:04:05
  So he's sort of like a good runner and a but a triathlete by
• 1:04:09
  trade. So he, he was down there and he
• 1:04:12
  was getting stuck right into it. He sort of on their nose, on or
• 1:04:17
  off, lucky on their nose, go or go harder.
• 1:04:20
  So it was good. Yeah.
• 1:04:22
  I didn't feel too bad. Luke was a bit ahead for most of
• 1:04:25
  them, or at least the first half of the workout.
• 1:04:29
  Gosh, what did what did we do? Yeah, we sort of built pretty
• 1:04:31
  evenly through the full lap build.
• 1:04:34
  I think we went 76 down to 70 seconds and then the 800 meters
• 1:04:39
  were in 217 or 216. So that's sort of 6868 1/2
• 1:04:45
  second per lap, which is sort of what I hope to do.
• 1:04:47
  And now we're all pretty even, which was good.
• 1:04:50
  And then the four hundreds were in around I think about 65
• 1:04:55
  seconds, 66 seconds. So just a couple seconds, a lot
• 1:04:58
  quicker than the 8 hundreds. Yeah, it felt hard, like I'd
• 1:05:02
  come off like a pretty solid week last week.
• 1:05:05
  And yeah, it didn't feel amazing, but it felt like I got
• 1:05:09
  done what I needed to. Wasn't your last one, Didn't you
• 1:05:12
  drop like a 60 or a 61 on your last one?
• 1:05:14
  No, that was oh. No, that was that was Luke and
• 1:05:18
  one of the young lads because we had a few younger guys but they
• 1:05:21
  did four sets and I ended up doing the fifth set solo.
• 1:05:25
  So they all finished at 4:00, and then in that last 400, they
• 1:05:28
  all got stuck into that. So they all left me for death.
• 1:05:32
  But yeah, but that was good, you know, got it, got it done.
• 1:05:35
  Spent time running, you know, at A at a decent clip.
• 1:05:39
  And yeah, I could feel everything getting pretty tight
• 1:05:42
  towards the end of that. So I'm glad I didn't push any
• 1:05:45
  harder than what I did. Wednesday, just two commutes as
• 1:05:49
  per normal. And then Thursday, the double
• 1:05:53
  threshold, this must be like 6-7 weeks that I've sort of been
• 1:05:55
  doing this double threshold for. So getting into a bit of a
• 1:05:58
  rhythm with it, I just remember being pretty tired.
• 1:06:02
  I've sort of been working some pretty long hours this week,
• 1:06:05
  like sort of when the kids go to bed working till pretty late.
• 1:06:08
  So I remember just being pretty tired by Thursday.
• 1:06:10
  But yeah, it was 3 by 8 minutes in the morning with a one minute
• 1:06:15
  float just around manga average like 3 1/2 minute K pace for the
• 1:06:19
  for the workout and then choked into the office and then back to
• 1:06:24
  manga for the afternoon for eight by two minutes on one
• 1:06:27
  minute float. And Luke was there again, which
• 1:06:32
  was good. And we were pretty even, I
• 1:06:35
  think. Yeah, I just remembered that all
• 1:06:38
  of the the two-minute Rep reps being pretty consistent.
• 1:06:41
  We maybe picked it up slightly towards the end, but we're
• 1:06:44
  probably about that sort of three O 5 pace for sort of the
• 1:06:48
  on efforts and then 3:20-ish for the offs.
• 1:06:53
  I think we averaged like three O 8 pace for the for the 24
• 1:06:56
  minutes, which is good. Sort of yeah.
• 1:07:01
  Didn't feel like it was like we were overreaching, felt in
• 1:07:04
  control. Another cracking night like it
• 1:07:06
  was that like another cool steel night around the track under
• 1:07:11
  sorry under the at the lake like it's all well lit and that
• 1:07:15
  footpath all completely uninterrupted 3 1/2 K loop.
• 1:07:18
  It's really nice. So yeah.
• 1:07:20
  There were plenty of space on there.
• 1:07:22
  It's not not that busy now because it's cooler.
• 1:07:26
  Exactly. It's really like clears right
• 1:07:28
  out at this time of year. So yeah, you sort of have the
• 1:07:32
  the lake pretty much to yourself.
• 1:07:34
  So it's a yeah, really nice. It's probably be a bit eerie on
• 1:07:38
  your own, but with a group it's it's a lot of fun on a on a cool
• 1:07:43
  evening. You know, on, on the double
• 1:07:44
  threshold stuff, obviously you've trained for what 10-15
• 1:07:49
  years. So like you're very in tune with
• 1:07:51
  how you feel all the time. You've got lots of stuff to
• 1:07:53
  refer back to and compare to. Can you, do you feel a
• 1:07:58
  difference of it? Like do you feel stronger or
• 1:08:00
  like, and now after 8 weeks, like at first did you in the
• 1:08:06
  evening session, could you still feel the morning session that
• 1:08:09
  like you, you were tired and now do you feel OK in the evening?
• 1:08:13
  Yeah, I think so. Like I think in the more, yeah,
• 1:08:16
  in the evening session, I felt noticeably like when I started
• 1:08:20
  it quite fatigued. Like it was like, oh, this feels
• 1:08:24
  a bit strange. And then so you sort of were
• 1:08:26
  very cautious with how you ran the second effort, whereas now
• 1:08:30
  it doesn't feel too bad. You sort of.
• 1:08:33
  Yeah. Now I don't feel as impacted by
• 1:08:35
  the morning workout by the end of the Thursday, like when I'm
• 1:08:39
  jogging home, I feel pretty erect.
• 1:08:43
  But the actual workout itself, I don't feel like I'm too impacted
• 1:08:47
  by it. And in terms of pulling up, like
• 1:08:49
  I'm tired on Friday, I definitely feel tired on Friday.
• 1:08:52
  And it's probably Saturday morning that I probably feel at
• 1:08:54
  the most like Thursday itself. No problem.
• 1:08:57
  But two jogs on a Saturday and then if you're pretty even, if
• 1:09:00
  you're pretty tired, you're sort of up at, I don't know, 5:30 on
• 1:09:03
  Saturday trying and then trying to get in a quality workout
• 1:09:06
  Saturday morning. I think that's the hardest part.
• 1:09:07
  That's probably where I'm feeling it the most.
• 1:09:09
  But I think like 4 opportunities to do some quality work plus a
• 1:09:14
  long run. It's like, I feel like it's a,
• 1:09:16
  I'm hoping that'll be, yeah, worthwhile.
• 1:09:19
  I am enjoying the sort of polarized days a bit like
• 1:09:23
  Monday, Wednesday, Friday, obvious days where I'm not sort
• 1:09:27
  of thinking about running or you know, you, I'm commuting, but
• 1:09:30
  it's not really a training day, whereas Tuesday, Thursday,
• 1:09:33
  Saturday, Sunday are. So I I sort of like that about
• 1:09:35
  it. You know, pre introducing the
• 1:09:38
  double threshold you were starting to maybe squeeze the
• 1:09:41
  Wednesday into a steady run. Have you dropped that now
• 1:09:44
  because of the double threshold? Yeah, so it's just two jogs on a
• 1:09:48
  on a Wednesday now, which. So in terms of the idea of
• 1:09:51
  running hard on the track on Tuesday and then just switching
• 1:09:53
  off on a Wednesday is quite nice.
• 1:09:55
  Whereas I felt like I was doing something 5 days of the week.
• 1:09:58
  So yeah, doing this sort of way of doing things has sort of been
• 1:10:02
  nice for sure. And I find as well, like it's
• 1:10:06
  easier for me to run more like in terms of trying to get your
• 1:10:09
  mileage, you know, when you're trying to not chase kilometers,
• 1:10:12
  but when you're trying to find a way to aggregate more volume in
• 1:10:16
  a given week, doing this on a Thursday, so sort of stacking a
• 1:10:19
  really high training load day, it means you're running a lot in
• 1:10:22
  one day. It sort of takes the pressure
• 1:10:24
  off trying to find another 20-30 minutes and trying to find
• 1:10:27
  minutes every day. Like when you sort of just want
• 1:10:30
  to get home on a Wednesday night, you don't want to be
• 1:10:32
  running for 60 minutes. Or even if you're feeling
• 1:10:34
  pressure to get into the office, like trying to find that added
• 1:10:37
  time to run versus, hey, Thursday is like a big training
• 1:10:40
  day. It's, it feels like a much
• 1:10:41
  easier way for me to get my training done.
• 1:10:44
  So it's been good, been it. I've enjoyed the change.
• 1:10:47
  Well, hopefully will we get to see the effects of it maybe next
• 1:10:51
  week. Yeah, I think so.
• 1:10:53
  I think that's the plan. So there's that Shelly 10K next
• 1:10:56
  Sunday morning. So yeah, I'm not sure if I'll
• 1:11:00
  taper at all into it, but it might just be an opportunity.
• 1:11:04
  I've not done a had a hit out in a while.
• 1:11:05
  So and that would then lead into the Perth half, which is a few
• 1:11:10
  weeks after that. So that's the plan.
• 1:11:12
  She wanted to open Worth. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:11:16
  And then, yeah, Friday, just two commutes and then Saturday was a
• 1:11:21
  a tempo in Kings Park. So it was 16 minutes tempo and
• 1:11:27
  then 6 by 30 seconds, sort of like 30 second accelerations up
• 1:11:32
  the hill. So we sort of start at the
• 1:11:33
  bottom of the Gray Mile in Kings Park and it's got like a pretty
• 1:11:36
  consistent sort of 3:00-ish percent gradient up there.
• 1:11:39
  So you do these 32nd accelerations up there, job down
• 1:11:42
  times 6 and then a minute jog recovery and then another 16
• 1:11:47
  minute tempo. So Max was down there again.
• 1:11:52
  Oh, sorry, back. He missed the last week or two
• 1:11:54
  with an injury, but he was back. And he was.
• 1:11:57
  Flying along, I wasn't close to him.
• 1:11:59
  He sort of just took off in the first one and I didn't go with.
• 1:12:02
  I was sort of just trying to get it done, which was good.
• 1:12:06
  Seeing seeing him getting a crown on on Strava and I thought
• 1:12:10
  oh buddy Ally must have given that 1A nudge I think.
• 1:12:13
  You took it off me? I had a look.
• 1:12:17
  Cheeky bugger. So if I knew that I would have
• 1:12:19
  maybe. You would have got an e-mail
• 1:12:21
  when you got home. Yeah, so I had a look.
• 1:12:24
  I had a look. I saw he got the crown and I've
• 1:12:25
  clicked in there and I saw that my name was like below it, I
• 1:12:28
  thought. Son of A.
• 1:12:30
  So eyes on Dean. Next time he's doing a session
• 1:12:33
  in Kings Park, he's got a crown. I'll snipe that later.
• 1:12:37
  But yeah, I didn't think I didn't run too far off of what I
• 1:12:42
  normally would, which was good. We just did 8-8 minutes
• 1:12:45
  essentially up from the bottom of Kings Park, up along May
• 1:12:48
  Drive and then looped back. Yeah, I didn't feel great, but I
• 1:12:55
  I got it done. That's the main thing.
• 1:12:57
  Those Kings Park ones always keep you so honest, don't they?
• 1:13:00
  There's no, there's like no escaping.
• 1:13:02
  As we've said before, we're kind of like that out and back.
• 1:13:05
  You kind of held to account by your peers as well, aren't you?
• 1:13:09
  And then with those bloody 32nd surges, you can't get away with
• 1:13:13
  running your first Rep too quick because 2-3 minutes into that
• 1:13:17
  second Rep you could be blowing up.
• 1:13:20
  Yeah, well, that's we've done it all before, right?
• 1:13:22
  And you sort of know when you turn around how far we all are
• 1:13:26
  from one another. And you remember that's when
• 1:13:29
  Owen Hurdies hit one time we did this workout.
• 1:13:31
  Remember doing that? U-turn on one of them.
• 1:13:36
  That's yeah, it's yeah, look, gets you, hopefully gets you
• 1:13:40
  fit. And then yeah, Sunday I just had
• 1:13:44
  just did 2 hours 15 minutes like jog met Josh for the first hour
• 1:13:50
  and a bit of it. Did a couple of laps around
• 1:13:52
  herdsmen together and then just yeah, did the rest solo and and
• 1:13:57
  home. So was 164 KS for the week.
• 1:14:01
  Good you consistent with these 160 ish K weeks now aren't you
• 1:14:06
  as well? Yeah, It feels like it's
• 1:14:07
  becoming, I'm trying to make it a bit more of a normal thing and
• 1:14:10
  it's sort of where it's sort of like the, it's where my sort of
• 1:14:13
  mileage falls out to a degree. You know, on on mileage just
• 1:14:17
  seen before. Obviously Jake being the the
• 1:14:21
  king of mileage. You might actually have some
• 1:14:23
  competition. You know Connor Dillon?
• 1:14:25
  He's oh. He's a machine man.
• 1:14:28
  He's stuck like 5250K weeks in a row as well like he's on the
• 1:14:32
  1000 K months himself. Yeah, no, I I keep an eye on it.
• 1:14:37
  And he's built like a Jake calls himself a cart horse.
• 1:14:41
  Connors, I think is actually built like a cart horse.
• 1:14:43
  Have you said he's a pretty solid dude?
• 1:14:44
  So yeah, Yeah, it's pretty impressive.
• 1:14:47
  Well, very impressive. And it's not just jogging
• 1:14:49
  either. Like there's quality and all
• 1:14:51
  that. Yeah, it's.
• 1:14:52
  And I think he's and I think he's.
• 1:14:54
  Some of that's in and around, like working as well.
• 1:14:56
  So yeah, now you have to tip your hat to that, don't you?
• 1:14:59
  It's pretty inspirational and it keeps when when you think you
• 1:15:02
  run 160 KA week and you feel like good and it's a big week
• 1:15:05
  and stuff, then you see that people are doing this.
• 1:15:08
  It's like how but. I don't know how.
• 1:15:11
  Yeah, I just, yeah, I just appreciate it.
• 1:15:15
  Maybe one day. You know, I looked back at my
• 1:15:20
  Strava before because I keep just saying to people like, Oh
• 1:15:23
  yeah, about six weeks on RAM 4 or whatever, and I thought, I
• 1:15:25
  want to actually see when it was.
• 1:15:28
  And it's 8 1/2 weeks. This is flown by.
• 1:15:32
  So people are doing 250K in a week.
• 1:15:35
  I've done 0K in 8 1/2 weeks so I'm flying.
• 1:15:43
  Well, that segues neatly into. Your update.
• 1:15:46
  Yeah, decently cross training and cycling and stuff, I've
• 1:15:51
  managed to get a bit of training load through that, so I feel
• 1:15:54
  somewhat OK for that. But someone told me the other
• 1:15:58
  day, Chart Miller, the Perth locals might be familiar with
• 1:16:03
  me, went to College in the US and run a 359 mile.
• 1:16:07
  But he told me that he had plantar for a little while in
• 1:16:10
  college and he tried all the remedies and went through all
• 1:16:14
  the motions of doing everything and it wouldn't budget until in
• 1:16:17
  the end he got a treatment called PRP Platelet Rich Plasma.
• 1:16:22
  And I've not heard of it, surprisingly, because everyone
• 1:16:25
  seems to have offered me their own remedies and what's worked
• 1:16:28
  for them, but no one's kind of offered this one.
• 1:16:32
  I think it's because it's more of like a specialist sports
• 1:16:34
  doctor treatment and probably quite expensive as well,
• 1:16:38
  unfortunately for me. But essentially what it is, is
• 1:16:41
  they take some of your blood from like a healthy area of your
• 1:16:44
  body, spin it round really fast and like these micro dishes to
• 1:16:49
  kind of increase the, the blood plasma volume.
• 1:16:53
  And then they reinsert it back into the affected area and it
• 1:16:57
  kind of encourages healing. And Chart said that was almost
• 1:17:02
  instant for him and it never came back.
• 1:17:04
  And it was just one injection. So it's it's a cost I'll be
• 1:17:08
  willing to front based on that. I did, I did mention to Raff and
• 1:17:12
  he said speak to a sports doctor first because the the research
• 1:17:17
  and the study is limited. So you want to get a proper
• 1:17:20
  recommendation from them. But that's given me motivation
• 1:17:25
  and hopefully some hope this week that might be another step
• 1:17:29
  in the right direction soon because I don't know, I just
• 1:17:32
  feel like it shouldn't take this long.
• 1:17:35
  It's really frustrating. I don't know if I don't know,
• 1:17:39
  they missed something on the MRI and there's something else going
• 1:17:42
  on. Might ask to get the MRI re
• 1:17:44
  looked at but yeah. Do you feel it?
• 1:17:48
  Is it are you feeling it in every day or is it after you've
• 1:17:51
  done something on it that you feel it flare up?
• 1:17:54
  No, Usually, yeah, when once you start doing all the exercises,
• 1:17:57
  then the next day, maybe it's a little bit tender, but like
• 1:18:00
  walking around day-to-day and stuff, it's fine.
• 1:18:02
  Which is the annoying part because I feel like a fraud
• 1:18:05
  because I'm able to even do the drills and stuff and able to
• 1:18:09
  cross train like load it through the cross cross trainer.
• 1:18:12
  It's just that like know that as soon as there's that proper load
• 1:18:16
  into it, it's just horrible. But I mean, it does feel
• 1:18:20
  slightly better, but still not, not worth trying to run on.
• 1:18:24
  So yeah, we'll see moving forward hopefully because yeah,
• 1:18:29
  I just want to get that that next race entry in and have
• 1:18:33
  something to think about. Even if I do three weeks
• 1:18:36
  training and then just have a race to just to kind of race and
• 1:18:40
  feel involved again. I'm not bothered about finding
• 1:18:45
  peak fitness or anything anytime soon.
• 1:18:47
  I just want to be back in the mixer.
• 1:18:49
  Yeah. And even Owen shows sort of once
• 1:18:51
  you start to create that momentum, build a base, and then
• 1:18:53
  get back into training, it sort of it all starts to click sooner
• 1:18:57
  than what we sometimes think it will, which is nice, but it's
• 1:19:00
  just getting to that point. Well, that's it.
• 1:19:03
  And then just hopefully with the cross training you, you give
• 1:19:06
  yourself some sort of a base to work from anyway.
• 1:19:08
  So yeah, right then training weeks done.
• 1:19:11
  We have some other talking points in relation to running
• 1:19:14
  news, but not results. So the the homegrown hero Seth
• 1:19:18
  O'Donnell looks like he's confirmed in fact, that he's
• 1:19:21
  gone and signed the contract with Nike.
• 1:19:24
  So he's answered all the uncertainty and all the rumours
• 1:19:27
  around what was going on. So it's his journey just keeps
• 1:19:31
  getting more and more interesting and I'm sure
• 1:19:33
  everyone will be following that because he's gone to Europe as
• 1:19:36
  well as Nice. So keen to see how he gets on.
• 1:19:40
  Looks like he's going to chase a few times.
• 1:19:42
  Yeah, his Instagram is always good when he's posting content
• 1:19:45
  on there, isn't it? There's no one like him.
• 1:19:48
  I don't think if you were to try and explain him to someone in
• 1:19:51
  terms of like, yeah, he's kind of.
• 1:19:53
  I just wouldn't know where to start.
• 1:19:54
  It's just so, it's so Seth. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:19:58
  And I can't think who it was. He's an old 800m runner for
• 1:20:03
  Australia. Shit.
• 1:20:04
  I'll have to have a look at his name.
• 1:20:06
  But in Seth's post where he like done the Nike announcement and
• 1:20:09
  it was a bit of a vlog or a reel in going to Europe in all his
• 1:20:14
  Nike kit. The guy said, did you really
• 1:20:18
  travel like 24 hours in the Nike Pro kit?
• 1:20:21
  Because he's got like literally the ratios on 2 inches.
• 1:20:26
  He's on the flight. So good which and again you
• 1:20:33
  probably. Wouldn't be completely surprised
• 1:20:34
  would you like he He won nationals with his singlet
• 1:20:39
  inside out. I think like at first you get
• 1:20:46
  the impression that maybe some of the guys on like the proceed
• 1:20:49
  already, like maybe didn't take him seriously and couldn't take
• 1:20:52
  him seriously. But he's he's proven everyone
• 1:20:55
  wrong and it's so good to see. Yeah, but but he like, I'm
• 1:20:59
  pretty sure he picked up running during COVID.
• 1:21:01
  So like if he's like when he didn't know about like brand
• 1:21:04
  logo sizes and stuff at nationals, it's probably because
• 1:21:07
  he just didn't know. Like it's.
• 1:21:09
  Yeah. Which it makes his story even
• 1:21:11
  more exciting. Like it just makes it even
• 1:21:14
  better. And that's probably why some of
• 1:21:16
  the pros didn't take him seriously at first because
• 1:21:19
  they're like, Oh well, we've known each other for 10 plus
• 1:21:22
  years. We've been racing against each
• 1:21:24
  other for years. Like this guy's new to the
• 1:21:26
  sport, He hasn't got a clue type thing, but yeah, he's well and
• 1:21:30
  truly in there now. Yeah, that was so cool.
• 1:21:32
  Some London Diamond League news. So Saifan Hassan, who's kind of
• 1:21:37
  like the star of the Sydney Marathon line or has announced
• 1:21:41
  that she's doing the mile at the London Diamond League next week.
• 1:21:44
  And that just kind of sums up the athlete that she is, doesn't
• 1:21:48
  it really? Yeah, anyone else what you'd say
• 1:21:51
  she's not taking Sydney seriously, but she she did that.
• 1:21:54
  She signed up for the 15105 K 10K ahead of the Olympic
• 1:21:58
  marathon, so all at the ONE championships.
• 1:22:01
  So you wouldn't. It's probably all part of her
• 1:22:03
  training block. Yeah, the method in the madness
• 1:22:07
  she's I'd be interested to see what sort of time she runs
• 1:22:10
  because yeah, I mean, she she's not going to come into Sydney
• 1:22:13
  like in bad shape, but she she's obviously going to be going to
• 1:22:16
  win because it's a world marathon major now at the end of
• 1:22:19
  the day, like it's a big title to to secure.
• 1:22:21
  Yeah, big prize money and a long way to come.
• 1:22:24
  I don't think he'd come all this way otherwise.
• 1:22:26
  Well, yeah, hopefully not. Hopefully the appearance fee
• 1:22:30
  isn't just allowing for something that, yeah, I think at
• 1:22:33
  the opportunity cost of a champion like a World
• 1:22:35
  Championships, people would probably want to make the most
• 1:22:37
  of it, wouldn't they? For sure.
• 1:22:39
  And she's not sorry. I was just going to say, and
• 1:22:42
  it's not like she's towards the end of her career like and sort
• 1:22:45
  of just and would be interested in just chasing prize money.
• 1:22:48
  I suspect the the the opportunity to race and win
• 1:22:52
  races would be what excites people, and winning the
• 1:22:55
  inaugural event would be like special.
• 1:22:59
  Yeah, maybe this this mile is the start of air track season
• 1:23:02
  and they're building to Tokyo world champs and she's just
• 1:23:05
  going to slot and win in Sydney in the middle of it.
• 1:23:09
  Is it a long run? Also on London Diamond League,
• 1:23:13
  which is next weekend, Jacob in Britain has unfortunately
• 1:23:17
  withdrew from the, I think it's a 50 in the men's race there.
• 1:23:21
  So unfortunately we'll have to wait a little longer to see his
• 1:23:25
  return, which would have also been his the re reignition of
• 1:23:30
  the rivalry with Josh Kerr. Because that's the good thing.
• 1:23:34
  Josh Kerr is racing London Diamond League, so it'd be good
• 1:23:37
  to see how he fits into the field.
• 1:23:40
  You'd imagine he wouldn't want to be turning off and kind of
• 1:23:43
  having like a 5th or 6th place finish and being like, Oh yeah,
• 1:23:46
  well I'm just kind of like building towards Tokyo.
• 1:23:49
  If he's racing because he hasn't yet or hasn't for a little
• 1:23:52
  while, he's going to want to be competitive, isn't he?
• 1:23:55
  And have people saying good things rather than bad things.
• 1:23:58
  And then Keely Hodgkinson has unfortunately withdrew from the
• 1:24:02
  women's 800, which is a shame because we haven't seen a race
• 1:24:06
  for so long now. But she did comment on the on
• 1:24:09
  the post with like whatever it was, it was kind of like a
• 1:24:12
  positive comment as if to say, I'm not injured.
• 1:24:16
  It's just like maybe it wasn't the right time to race yet.
• 1:24:20
  You'll have to wait a couple more weeks.
• 1:24:21
  So hopefully things are all good there.
• 1:24:26
  Did you want to talk about that Dope and Doctor video or?
• 1:24:30
  Yes. I mean, yeah, yeah, I think.
• 1:24:36
  I don't know how I. Don't know how recent some of
• 1:24:38
  all this stuff is, but there's some videos doing the rounds of
• 1:24:41
  athletes sort of confessing to taking APO and how accessible it
• 1:24:45
  is. And then that same sort of
• 1:24:46
  Instagram page is sharing, which there's another video on.
• 1:24:50
  Like how many of the top of the women's finalists at the 2012,
• 1:24:56
  1500 meters at the Olympics have been rubbed out?
• 1:24:59
  Was it like 6 of the top 9, I think have all been suspended
• 1:25:02
  since competing at the in the final in the women's 1500.
• 1:25:06
  And I think was it Shannon Robbery?
• 1:25:08
  I think an American woman that was she may be placed fifth has
• 1:25:12
  been promoted to 3rd and just sort of calls into, you know,
• 1:25:15
  it's just so frustrating because you sort of that that person has
• 1:25:19
  missed their sort of Olympic moment.
• 1:25:21
  Like they might get their medal now, but it's sort of the
• 1:25:23
  Olympic moment and all the foregone sort of opportunities
• 1:25:26
  that would have come with being an Olympic medallist and not
• 1:25:29
  there and also all these people that maybe would have got
• 1:25:32
  funding. Off the back of how they would
• 1:25:35
  have performed or have maybe missed the final, it's sort of
• 1:25:38
  just, yeah, it's just an upsetting, sad part of the sport
• 1:25:42
  that you follow and it just makes following the sport hard
• 1:25:44
  as well when they're sort of. When you sort of have this cloud
• 1:25:46
  of of doping always hanging over it.
• 1:25:48
  Yeah, kind of feeds into what we've said the past couple of
• 1:25:51
  weeks, doesn't it? Like it's hard not to be
• 1:25:53
  skeptical at some of the performances and then when you
• 1:25:56
  see things like this coming out 13 years later, like how does it
• 1:26:00
  take that long to on air fit? So then how can you trust what's
• 1:26:05
  happening? It's it's annoying because you
• 1:26:07
  want to be all in and you're a fan of the sport and stuff, but.
• 1:26:09
  Yeah. And it just means you, I know at
• 1:26:11
  the time when you see some of these things and they sort of
• 1:26:13
  don't make sense that you sort of for a little while, you
• 1:26:17
  always just accept them on face value because that's what you
• 1:26:20
  should do. And then nip it.
• 1:26:21
  Now you sort of get it. It's there's only so much where
• 1:26:24
  you get to the point where if you see something on face value
• 1:26:26
  and it looks. Too good to be true.
• 1:26:28
  You sort of assume that it is. Don't assume the, assume the
• 1:26:31
  other. Bit like with the Tour de France
• 1:26:34
  going on at the minute, isn't it?
• 1:26:36
  I've kind of been getting into it for the first time.
• 1:26:39
  I've never really followed it or watched it and I was reading the
• 1:26:42
  other day there was like 7 years that when Armstrong won it,
• 1:26:47
  they've just been wiped out of the results and they because of
• 1:26:50
  all the doping. That's absolutely crazy.
• 1:26:53
  Yeah, I used to be like, I used to follow it so closely during
• 1:26:57
  that time. And even some of the like, tours
• 1:27:01
  that followed, some of like the American or the top Americans
• 1:27:04
  that were riding not that long after.
• 1:27:05
  And some of these remarkable stages, like they'd get dropped
• 1:27:08
  and then somehow the very next day just right off the front.
• 1:27:11
  And I used to just be up late watching them just being like,
• 1:27:14
  wow, like the theater and how do they do that?
• 1:27:17
  Like you're not not knowing that how they were doing it was by
• 1:27:21
  doping. But like, yeah, ever since that
• 1:27:23
  I sort of, yeah, fell a bit out of love with the sport because
• 1:27:27
  you sort of you don't want to be fooled in what what you're
• 1:27:30
  watching. And also you know that some,
• 1:27:32
  there's a lot of Aussies like Perth has such a great cycling
• 1:27:35
  culture. Like they really punch above
• 1:27:36
  their weight when it comes to sort of professional cyclists.
• 1:27:39
  And you see these guys just riding as domestiques in the
• 1:27:42
  peloton giving it their all for years and years and years now.
• 1:27:45
  Don't really get much in terms of recognition.
• 1:27:47
  And you sort of know there's a lot of guys at the pointy end of
• 1:27:50
  those two as who aren't clean. And so makes the sport harder to
• 1:27:54
  follow. And you feel like athletics is
• 1:27:57
  getting a bit like that. The one perhaps good thing or
• 1:28:01
  something I noticed is that Pagacha who's like the main guy,
• 1:28:05
  isn't he probably like the best and probably the most famous as
• 1:28:09
  well to cook to go with that. So I was interested to see like
• 1:28:13
  kind of what, what he earns as being like the top cyclist.
• 1:28:17
  So I had a look and his contract at the minute is worth €50
• 1:28:20
  million / 6 years. Jesus, which is like top Premier
• 1:28:26
  League footballer salary and obscene money.
• 1:28:28
  And it makes you think do will run and follow suit like slowly.
• 1:28:33
  Is it going to edge towards that?
• 1:28:36
  Go on. Oh, I mean.
• 1:28:37
  Cycling's got a few things going for it though, doesn't it?
• 1:28:40
  Like those grand Tours, Like you can't see runners, Sort of.
• 1:28:42
  I mean, maybe you could just run for days and days and days.
• 1:28:45
  But then I think, what makes cycling more?
• 1:28:50
  Thrilling than than running. Not just not that we don't find
• 1:28:53
  running thrilling, obviously, but the the ability to the
• 1:28:58
  drafting element of cycling. So you can be 30% worse than a
• 1:29:03
  person, but then still basically ride the same as them.
• 1:29:06
  But if you just sit on their wheel, but the drafting elements
• 1:29:09
  of it, which means that basically, let's say you're 10%
• 1:29:12
  worse than like in performance, but you've said on someone's
• 1:29:16
  wheel all day, you know that it's possible that you can then
• 1:29:18
  out Sprint them towards or or drop them towards the back end
• 1:29:21
  of the race. And so all these like the, the
• 1:29:24
  drafting elements in cycling allow for athletes who aren't
• 1:29:27
  necessarily the fittest to outperform.
• 1:29:31
  You know, it's not a straight time trial.
• 1:29:33
  And so it sort of creates this game of strategy and game of
• 1:29:39
  chance that you sort of don't have in running, whereas running
• 1:29:42
  it becomes so much more absolute.
• 1:29:43
  So the, the I I I know now it's so well calculated in those
• 1:29:47
  grand tours that the best athletes often win.
• 1:29:49
  But if you have some of these one day stage races and even the
• 1:29:53
  stages themselves, there's so many permutations of outcome
• 1:29:56
  that it makes spectating quite exciting.
• 1:29:59
  Whereas with running it's it's often so known what the result
• 1:30:03
  will be because of past performance.
• 1:30:05
  So yes, I think it's got a bit going for it that I think
• 1:30:08
  running doesn't have do. You know the, the tour elements
• 1:30:11
  that actually in back home where I grew up, there's what's called
• 1:30:15
  the Tour of Merseyside. And I reckon it's, it must be
• 1:30:18
  one, one of its own. And it's a running event as
• 1:30:21
  well. It's over a week and I think
• 1:30:24
  they run either 5 or 6 days during the week.
• 1:30:28
  And there's a 5KA10KA half marathon, like an off road, 10
• 1:30:32
  mile and a couple of other distances.
• 1:30:36
  And it's the same sort of concept as as the Tour de
• 1:30:38
  France, like lowest cumulative time overall wins.
• 1:30:43
  And like when people get behind it and there's there's a few
• 1:30:45
  entries and stuff, it's like so interesting to follow.
• 1:30:49
  And you do think as a one off there's a place for an event
• 1:30:52
  like that. Isn't that like be cool?
• 1:30:55
  We have to get the, we have to partner with them.
• 1:30:58
  Tour tour of WA. That's it.
• 1:31:04
  We had the rumour mill that I haven't even asked Owen if we're
• 1:31:06
  allowed to say this and he's dropped off Now we we won't
• 1:31:10
  reveal any sources but Owen has become aware of some
• 1:31:16
  information. Do we say name or do we just
• 1:31:19
  allude to the fact? OK, so we'll say that Owen has
• 1:31:24
  received some information that a top Australian marathoner may
• 1:31:30
  have a foot injury and has been swimming recently.
• 1:31:34
  So don't know the source, don't know how true or untrue it is,
• 1:31:39
  which is why we're not giving any more details than that, but
• 1:31:42
  we'll just wait and see what comes of that.
• 1:31:44
  Hopefully nothing to be fair. Hopefully the athlete themselves
• 1:31:46
  are fine and it's a it's a bullshit rumour, but it was
• 1:31:50
  worth including. We had another listener
• 1:31:53
  question. Dean, I don't know if you have
• 1:31:55
  any thoughts on this. This came through from Rob,
• 1:31:57
  who's the captain of my running club at home, Wallasey, because
• 1:32:01
  he's trying to advocate for and push for lots of the members to
• 1:32:06
  take up cross country, because there's actually good cross
• 1:32:10
  country offering back home. Like they run a little bit of a
• 1:32:12
  season through the winter, local meets and you compete against
• 1:32:16
  other clubs and stuff. And he said nowadays there seems
• 1:32:20
  to be a decline in number of younger people participating in
• 1:32:22
  cross country at amateur level. Does it still have a vital role
• 1:32:26
  to play in readiness for the following season?
• 1:32:29
  Should coaches be encouraging it more?
• 1:32:31
  Yeah, I am. Yeah.
• 1:32:33
  It's a shame. So when I was in athletics, like
• 1:32:36
  in high school, we had a winter cross country season in Perth
• 1:32:42
  and that had a quite a good following and it was like both
• 1:32:45
  juniors and seniors and you'd run for your your club.
• 1:32:48
  We're sort of club athletics now outside of, you know, we have
• 1:32:51
  out those strive meets. So every Friday night over
• 1:32:54
  summer we have those meetings hosted.
• 1:32:56
  But the cross. Country scenes pretty much
• 1:32:59
  fallen away, almost like pretty much entirely in Perth.
• 1:33:02
  I think they've tried to re rebuild, reboot it a few times,
• 1:33:06
  but it doesn't have anywhere near the following than what it
• 1:33:10
  nowadays and what it used to. And that's not to say it's not
• 1:33:14
  important. It's just it's just the sport
• 1:33:16
  sort of just died. I think when I sort of read, you
• 1:33:19
  know, the, there's some great books out there like umm, Josh
• 1:33:25
  has quite a few of them, but he's let me like the UK runners
• 1:33:28
  of the 80s. It's like the you like, forget
• 1:33:30
  the exact title, but it's all these top British athletes of
• 1:33:34
  the 1980s. And you sort of read what they
• 1:33:36
  would do every sort of Saturday and then head out for their long
• 1:33:39
  run on a Sunday. And I, I sort sort of think like
• 1:33:42
  what we do in Kings Park on a Saturday morning.
• 1:33:44
  You imagine if that was your Saturday morning cross country
• 1:33:47
  that you did, you didn't have to take her into it, but you did
• 1:33:49
  hard work out and then did a long run Sunday, how good that
• 1:33:52
  would be for you. And I think that was sort of
• 1:33:54
  fairly commonplace. And even like Ron, I've got a
• 1:33:57
  copy of Ron Clark's book and you read how often he would race.
• 1:34:00
  Like a lot of people just raced a lot more, but they didn't race
• 1:34:03
  like major races, but they just raced their local races.
• 1:34:06
  And I think Victoria athlete athletics do it extremely well.
• 1:34:10
  Like do you have a, they Speaking of YouTube Diaries as a
• 1:34:13
  link, But the XCR, they do like a, they have a series of races
• 1:34:18
  over Victorian winter road and cross country and they do like a
• 1:34:22
  highlights package after each race.
• 1:34:25
  And those races are so well attended.
• 1:34:27
  Their clubs are so well represented.
• 1:34:29
  They have different divisions and they're done on a Saturday
• 1:34:33
  afternoon as well. So everyone can sort of travel
• 1:34:36
  and rock up to the mate. You can do that race and then
• 1:34:38
  you can still get out for your long.
• 1:34:39
  Run on a Sunday morning, so it's sort of not interfering with
• 1:34:42
  your training load. So I think it has a huge role to
• 1:34:44
  play. And and so encouraging people,
• 1:34:50
  particularly if they're put on at the right time, I think on a
• 1:34:52
  Saturday and you sort of create some sort of fun competition
• 1:34:56
  with them so that kids so that people are.
• 1:34:58
  Engaging and I think doing it side by side with juniors and
• 1:35:01
  seniors. I think a lot of the juniors,
• 1:35:03
  because junior cross country always seems to be reasonably
• 1:35:06
  well participated, but then all of a sudden it just falls away
• 1:35:09
  and there's no sort of connection there.
• 1:35:11
  I think if you did the junior races into senior races and you
• 1:35:13
  made it a community event, which it is.
• 1:35:17
  Then I think because I think some of the senior athletes
• 1:35:19
  would get down and sort of and be inspired by the junior
• 1:35:22
  athletes and vice versa. I think it's got a huge role to
• 1:35:24
  play. It's just a shame that it's
• 1:35:26
  fallen away. And so hopefully with this new
• 1:35:28
  running, you know, the second coming of running that maybe it
• 1:35:31
  comes back because I think it would be, yeah, I would be
• 1:35:33
  encouraging people to do it and I would be encouraged to do it
• 1:35:36
  if the sort of the scene was was here and happening in Perth.
• 1:35:40
  I think, yeah, I agree with everything you've said and a
• 1:35:43
  couple of points. Like traditionally the
• 1:35:45
  professional athletes would always periodize the years,
• 1:35:48
  wouldn't they? And they would have like their
• 1:35:50
  peaking phases and cross country would just be a part of like
• 1:35:54
  that strength building phase where they'd almost like forget
• 1:35:57
  about being in really fast shape or and they just get strong.
• 1:36:03
  And I feel like now the professionals probably still
• 1:36:06
  follow it and they do like the base training and strength work
• 1:36:09
  and stuff. But whereas kind of like that
• 1:36:11
  Subelite level and below almost down to like recreational
• 1:36:14
  runners, we're just so caught up on running times and chasing PBS
• 1:36:19
  that a lot of people probably just get sucked into just being
• 1:36:23
  in like 5K and 10K shape all year round.
• 1:36:27
  And you forget about the importance of actually just
• 1:36:29
  going back to like a base building phase.
• 1:36:31
  And that's where cross country comes into its own.
• 1:36:35
  And secondly, secondly on the XCR stuff, it's such a good
• 1:36:40
  series. Like that's one of the things
• 1:36:42
  Perth doesn't have, isn't it, in comparison to Melbourne or
• 1:36:46
  Victoria? Because I'm still actually in
• 1:36:48
  the group chat of the, the team that I ran for over there for a
• 1:36:52
  year. And they're in division two.
• 1:36:54
  And I think they've had like a really good result this weekend.
• 1:36:57
  And they're all like up and about saying like, oh, imagine,
• 1:36:59
  like we're in, we're a Division One club next year.
• 1:37:02
  And there was from like a bit of an insider perspective, you
• 1:37:06
  would have into club rivalries that you'd have those teams that
• 1:37:09
  you always finished either like just above or just below.
• 1:37:13
  And you'd be competing for promotion with them.
• 1:37:15
  And you'd like, you'd see their guys on the warm up and you'd be
• 1:37:18
  giving them evils and stuff like that.
• 1:37:21
  Like it's what makes it fun at the end of the day.
• 1:37:23
  It's what gets you out to these like muddy, muddy courses on a
• 1:37:27
  cold, wet winter's day, isn't it?
• 1:37:29
  Yep, Yep. And there'd always be a chalky
• 1:37:31
  milk afterwards and like a Mack of stuff on the way home.
• 1:37:35
  Yeah. And I think, yeah, I think
• 1:37:37
  there's an example of where it's done really well.
• 1:37:39
  And I feel like participation rates are higher than ever.
• 1:37:41
  So maybe there's a chance for it to be rebirthed.
• 1:37:44
  But certainly there's there's there's ways to make it
• 1:37:47
  innovative and connected. So hopefully someone that's a,
• 1:37:52
  you know, really passionate and innovative takes it on and it
• 1:37:56
  gets the right people behind it so it comes back.
• 1:37:58
  But it's interesting to hear. I thought maybe it was a bit
• 1:38:01
  more. Of a per thing.
• 1:38:01
  When I hear about the winter XCR being so successful, it's
• 1:38:04
  interesting to to hear Rob's comments about it sort of
• 1:38:07
  struggling for attraction in the UK as well.
• 1:38:10
  Yeah, I think he's trying to get some of the better runners in
• 1:38:13
  the club to take it more seriously or have a go at it.
• 1:38:17
  So I mean, there's there's our opinion with some reference to
• 1:38:20
  what happens locally here. Best get this episode wrapped up
• 1:38:25
  then. We're getting towards the end
• 1:38:26
  now. It's funny because with the
• 1:38:30
  episodes that Jake has featured on, you can see obviously
• 1:38:33
  clearly we've we've got some new listeners from that or well, at
• 1:38:37
  least on those episodes, we've got some new listeners and we
• 1:38:40
  know like kind of how loyal his his run to Japan army or
• 1:38:44
  whatever is. And in the episode analytic, you
• 1:38:47
  can actually see like where people choose to end the episode
• 1:38:51
  or where they drop off and literally like bang on where
• 1:38:55
  where Jake dropped off last week.
• 1:38:57
  We lose like almost half the listenership, but hopefully
• 1:39:02
  we've we've retained some of the army and they're now easy double
• 1:39:06
  listeners because I think a lot of them did stick towards the
• 1:39:08
  end as well. So thanks to any of the
• 1:39:11
  listeners who've stuck with us. I hope you've enjoyed it.
• 1:39:15
  And just to wrap back around to the the clubhouse, which we're
• 1:39:19
  trying to build, hopefully it's going to be think of like a
• 1:39:25
  modern version of let's run forum style messenger group chat
• 1:39:31
  in your hand on your phone where we can all talk about all these
• 1:39:35
  things, which we thankfully get to talk about on the podcast and
• 1:39:38
  tell you all our opinion. But yeah, hopefully we can
• 1:39:41
  create a space where everyone can tell us their opinion too.
• 1:39:45
  So looking forward to that and excited about it.
• 1:39:48
  Thanks for another week in the Easy Double podcast series.
• 1:39:52
  Let you get off to bed, Dean. That's it.
• 1:39:54
  Thanks mate. Thanks for chatting all.
• 1:39:55
  Right. Cheers guys.