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Into The Void - Towers of Midnight chapter 31 - EP564 · WoT Spoilers

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  Speaker 1: This is the Wheel of Time spoilers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, speaking of money, Matt is gambling.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we've got ten minutes of preamble. Let's start
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  Speaker 3: the episode proper. This is our first recording back in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: First recording back after break. Yeah, welcome back, and we're
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  Speaker 2: starting off with a bang.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes we are. We are starting up with an
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  Speaker 3: where those episodes will be in the future.
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  Speaker 2: We're having a lot of fun with those.
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  Speaker 3: We are having a lot of fun with those, but
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  Speaker 3: for now we get one of them more exciting. I'm
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  Speaker 3: glad Sanderson wrote it kind of scenes. We've been waiting
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  Speaker 3: for this for a long time. There's a whole article
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  Speaker 3: written about how to kill a goalam that does include
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  Speaker 3: this solution. We are at Matt kills the Golom. That's
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  Speaker 3: what's happening, all right.
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  Speaker 2: I have to read some of the fifty ways to
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  Speaker 2: Kill a Goalam article, right, because this came out I
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  Speaker 2: want to say originally in like two thousand. No, this
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  Speaker 2: is update in twenty ten. I don't know when this
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  Speaker 2: originally came out.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I remember reading it before this scene
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  Speaker 3: was written. I feel like I do recall at one
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  Speaker 3: of my very brief forays into what existed with the
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  Speaker 3: Wheel of Time. ID like, I didn't engage with the fandom,
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  Speaker 3: but I did occasionally poke the internet to see what happened.
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  Speaker 3: I read articles on thirteenth Depository now and then, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I remember reading this before the Golomb
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  Speaker 3: got killed, because I remember how that feeling of like wow, wow,
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  Speaker 3: that's a lot of different options, Like I wonder if
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  Speaker 3: this is like, surely they're going to kill it one
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  Speaker 3: of these, I feel like, so it has to be
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  Speaker 3: from four a long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, basically the first thing they say is like,
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  Speaker 2: it's the medallion, right, and they're because there's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of an argument about is it the silver or
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  Speaker 2: is it the fact that in the gates flows, And
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  Speaker 2: it's clearly it's in the gates flows, so they're like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you just use the medallion.
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  Speaker 3: Matt's strategy at the end of the thing, like I
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  Speaker 3: was just going to stuff it down the thing's throat
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  Speaker 3: and stee So that's try number.
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  Speaker 2: One, number one, that's right, number one. Yeah, And then
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  Speaker 2: there's just a big big thing about arguing about maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's the silver and if it is silver, maybe you
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  Speaker 2: can bury it in silver, and that it's not silver, right.
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  Speaker 3: This isn't actually a vampire.
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  Speaker 2: No. No. Number two, knock it into a gateway, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like that is the second once you get past the medallion,
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  Speaker 2: is what you do it? Presumably you could kill it
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  Speaker 2: like shadowspawn don't survive gateway. So the assumption was if
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  Speaker 2: you push it through a gateway, it would die instantly. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: And that's where a goal is a little bit different, right,
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  Speaker 2: because a goal is closer to an o gear.
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  Speaker 3: Right, There are construct not inherently in evil twisted thing
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  Speaker 3: that only the dark One could have created.
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  Speaker 2: So in a lot of ways they seem more pure
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the one power, right, They're not like
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  Speaker 2: corrupted souls forced into a body the way the shadow
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  Speaker 2: spawn are.
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  Speaker 3: Right, they're neutral alignment that happened to be deployed for
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  Speaker 3: evil in this case, but it's not intrinsic to their
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  Speaker 3: nature like a trolic.
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  Speaker 2: And then but they dismissed that because they said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we just assume a gateway would unravel the second a goal.
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  Speaker 3: And touched it, which also doesn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: Which also doesn't happen. So there's a couple of assumptions
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  Speaker 2: that Matt makes that work for him. One that pushing
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  Speaker 2: it through the gateway won't kill it, which doesn't because
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  Speaker 2: he has a backup plan. But also the fact that like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the gateway is going to work. Even the gold can
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  Speaker 2: pass through it because it's not touching the mechanics of
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  Speaker 2: the gateway.
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  Speaker 3: So I wonder, then if it did put his hand
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  Speaker 3: on the side of the gateway, if it would cut
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  Speaker 3: his hand off, or if he would proof it out
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  Speaker 3: of existence.
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  Speaker 2: Right right, because then you know what, could you cut
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  Speaker 2: him in half of the gateway? Probably not right right?
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  Speaker 3: And if the gateway vanished, then that would have left
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  Speaker 3: the Jamaico stranded and falling forever right on the other side.
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  Speaker 3: That would have sucked. But no one ever tries touching
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  Speaker 3: the side of a gateway.
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  Speaker 2: No, well, as you passed through it, I imagine it's
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  Speaker 2: just razor sharp, right, like you just cut yourself on.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well and for normal people. But I just
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  Speaker 3: wonder how the golom would interact with it. Would it
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  Speaker 3: just evaporate like a bubble at his touch?
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  Speaker 2: So more bright ideas indirect effects, basically squishing it with
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  Speaker 2: an anvil, maybe the T one thousand effect, drop it
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  Speaker 2: in a volcano, see if that like, if it can melt.
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  Speaker 3: Probably probably. I think it'd be hard for him to
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  Speaker 3: reconstitute himself if he was stuck in a lava lake.
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  Speaker 2: One of these days, I'm going to cut you into
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  Speaker 2: little pieces, basically dismantling it into enough small pieces that
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  Speaker 2: you know, because here he cuts the fingers off. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: that'll probably slow him down. But the speculation is that
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  Speaker 2: he would flow back together kind of like again T
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  Speaker 2: one thousand, right, the liquid metal like, they might slow
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  Speaker 2: him down, but he probably isn't gonna Those pieces can
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  Speaker 2: probably rejoin with him, but we're not sure about that.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I think the squishing won't work either. It's
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  Speaker 3: like I feel like, because he's not He's not an
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  Speaker 3: animal construct of bones and sinews and muscles and fluids.
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  Speaker 3: He's just a solid material through and through that can
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  Speaker 3: morph to look like a human.
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  Speaker 2: So even though kicking him in the balls works so well, he.
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  Speaker 3: Still has a diaphragum. I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, blowing him up with gunpowder.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't. I don't think this articulation is
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  Speaker 3: the answer. Maybe if you take like a thousand pieces
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  Speaker 3: to a thousand different locations, hundreds of miles apart.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe starving it to death, basically capturing it in something
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  Speaker 2: it can't escape from and letting it slowly starve to
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  Speaker 2: death over time. In some ways, that's probably what's going
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  Speaker 2: to kill it, right, like as it falls.
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  Speaker 3: If it can die of starvation, that will ultimately be
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  Speaker 3: what kills.
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  Speaker 2: It, which I think it can. They need to eat, right,
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  Speaker 2: they need to eat to survive.
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  Speaker 3: He does say a bird must fly, a fish must swim,
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  Speaker 3: I must feed. That does imply that it's not about pleasures,
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  Speaker 3: about sustenance or I must kill whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's a whole thing about gateways, right open
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  Speaker 2: a gateway to some if it can pass through a gateway. Right,
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  Speaker 2: there's the same. Assuming you can't pass their gateway, here's
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  Speaker 2: some things. Just get rid of it. Open a gateway
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  Speaker 2: to somewhere really far away. Okay, I just can't get.
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  Speaker 3: Through right, drop in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
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  Speaker 2: Ru yeah, like, and it can't get back. Open the
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  Speaker 2: gateway to the skimming place, shove the goal through and
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  Speaker 2: close the gateway. Boom boom done exactly what happened far
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  Speaker 2: from the matting crowd. Open a gateway to farm Matting
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  Speaker 2: and send the goal on through. And assuming it's in
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  Speaker 2: a location where it negates all magic, would that not
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  Speaker 2: fuck him up?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? I am intrigued by that one. I am intrigued.
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  Speaker 3: How the guardians would handle the goal on that is
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  Speaker 3: a very interesting question.
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  Speaker 2: And also how the guardians would handle a gateway opening
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  Speaker 2: into Farmatting.
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  Speaker 3: You could open the gateway over Farmatting and drop him
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  Speaker 3: down through.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps the aerospace bubble.
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  Speaker 3: Humh yeah, how would I bet you couldn't open a
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  Speaker 3: gateway there? I bet it would like trying to open
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  Speaker 3: one to ruddy in or something.
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  Speaker 2: Mm see, I think you can because you can use well,
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  Speaker 2: so as long as you have access to power, you
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  Speaker 2: can do whatever you want. All it does is block
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  Speaker 2: your access to the one power. And if you're doing
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  Speaker 2: something like rand could bailfire it from outside. Why couldn't
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  Speaker 2: you open a gateway from outside if that's your destination?
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  Speaker 3: How does trans But then you're magically transiting into the space.
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  Speaker 3: So is that gonna like matter anti matter like?
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  Speaker 2: But again, it doesn't stop magic. It just stops people
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  Speaker 2: from embracing it.
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  Speaker 3: Right right, Which then with that even effect that Golam says,
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  Speaker 3: the golomb is not a person embracing magic. The golamb
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  Speaker 3: is magic.
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  Speaker 2: Right right right, It's not negating. Isn't that magical? Like
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  Speaker 2: because you can Yeah, it's not a negating magic at all.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, it's not male or female magic. It's just
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  Speaker 3: pure power. Right, So it might do nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't h I think it would do nothing.
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  Speaker 3: But the formatting people deserve some chaos. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: they don't really their leaders suck. That's it.
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  Speaker 2: And then here I like this solution open a gateway
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  Speaker 2: to the middle of volcano problem, how would you keep
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  Speaker 2: the lava from coming out of the gateway, which I
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  Speaker 2: think is a fun for andrawl in the last battle. Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 2: not necessarily a GOLM solution, but definitely something from that
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  Speaker 2: they gets used in real time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then, yeah, the solution is to just open
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  Speaker 3: the gateway horizontally over the lava lake and let gravity
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  Speaker 3: do the work.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's just like variations on opening a gateway
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  Speaker 2: to somewhere space under the ocean in a lava you know,
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  Speaker 2: without the planet on the moon, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All of the problems with the pressure of management, but
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  Speaker 3: still like, yeah, one assumes that the golum cannot survive
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  Speaker 3: the vacuum of space for very long.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not sure that was fifty ways to kill
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  Speaker 2: a golam, but that is what the title of the
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  Speaker 2: article is titled. But that's the sort of the list
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  Speaker 2: of ideas.
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  Speaker 3: I'm surprised that the ways were not included in that.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like hucking him off the side of the
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  Speaker 3: pathways and the ways would work too, because it's basically
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  Speaker 3: the skimming space.
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  Speaker 2: There's just so many ways to kill things. Will I'm just.
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  Speaker 3: Saying it's the same space. Basically, you could go into
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  Speaker 3: the ways. You don't have to have a gateway, but
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  Speaker 3: it would involve convincing the goal to walk into the
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  Speaker 3: ways on its own power and then picking it up
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  Speaker 3: and throwing it over the side, which would be a
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  Speaker 3: lot harder, but I think that would work too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I'm trying to think
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  Speaker 2: of other power rot things we've seen throw them in
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  Speaker 2: a pool of pure sidine.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if you could uh make a blade, one
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  Speaker 3: of the one of the merdraw blades with a goalomb.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if it's got enough like sentient soul qualities
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  Speaker 3: that you could do the thing where they have to
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  Speaker 3: kill someone in order to make the blade all work.
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  Speaker 3: I've been real listening to the Lord of Chaos and
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  Speaker 3: re listen to that scene obviously.
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  Speaker 2: So the way it sucks them in, Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 3: Wonder if I wonder if running a golumb through with
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  Speaker 3: a Mergerll sword as part of the construction process would
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  Speaker 3: actually do it damage in a way that a normal sword,
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  Speaker 3: even a power route sword would not, or if it
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  Speaker 3: would just you know, laugh at that like every other
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  Speaker 3: thing you can stick through their body.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how sold they are, right, they
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  Speaker 2: seem sold enough. Like again, I can sort of compare
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  Speaker 2: them to O gear right to nim or not oh
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  Speaker 2: gear green I keep saying, oh, Gear green Men.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the nim and others. Yeah, who are bigger yet
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  Speaker 3: than the O Gear if I'm recalling correctly, Yeah, the world.
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  Speaker 3: He's like a freaking actual tree compared to m Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's a definitely pretty comprehensive I wonder if being in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of a magic explosion like what Elaine did
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  Speaker 3: with the Gateway would cause harm to.
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  Speaker 2: A go on.
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  Speaker 3: Being in the middle of an uncontrolled backlash like.
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  Speaker 2: That, yeah, because that feels like an effect, right, that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't feel like magic. That feels like an effect of
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  Speaker 2: the magic. And so but again, like.
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  Speaker 3: If you mishandled a trunk reall and it blew up
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  Speaker 3: or something.
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  Speaker 2: All right, want me to just pull up the name
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  Speaker 2: for a fan of really quick.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we know that there is one way of
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  Speaker 3: killing a golump that does work, and it is on
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  Speaker 3: that list. It is what Matt does, and it is
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  Speaker 3: what the chapter we are doing today entirely revolves around.
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  Speaker 2: Spoilers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, have you seen the name of this podcast?
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  Speaker 2: Does your podcast have spoilers for the entire series? Yes?
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: All right, so we've got three fan names here at
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: the beginning, three characters based on fans We've got Riddle
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  Speaker 2: is based on Michael Riddle, a fan of the Wheel
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  Speaker 2: of Time. We've got Sadler is named for Michael Sadler,
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: a fan of the Wheel of Time. And Snell, whose
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: name for Michael Snell, a fan of the Wheel of Time.
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: I see what you did there, Brandon. You took three
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: Michaels and you put them together in one scene using
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: just their last names.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. He's just like, these are the Michaels, These are
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  Speaker 3: the Michaels, These are the Michaels. And never trusted Michael.
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  Speaker 3: This is also the chap in which we have him
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  Speaker 3: Innkeeper Hatch of the Dusty Stas.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to bring that up. Boy got there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: very much.
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  Speaker 3: A real person who we have hung out with and
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  Speaker 3: has a YouTube show and all of that jazz.
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  Speaker 2: And is currently as far as i'm were employed by
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Sanderson. He's he works for Dragon Steel. Now.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I hadn't heard that. Good for him. That's awesome.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's he's officially like I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: outreach or something like that. I don't know that.
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: Wow. The way that the spirals just keep on spiraling,
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: that's an amazing community.
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  Speaker 2: Twist well and Matt Hatch you know, he was he
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  Speaker 2: was head of theory Land for a long time. He
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: was there. He was consulted when these books were being made,
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: you know, as part part of writing these books, right,
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: he was. He was a beta reader when they were
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: coming out. He was giving feedback like he has been,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sort of the number one fan of Wheel
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: of Time for quite some time and then creating the
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: Dusty Wheel and that whole YouTube phenomenon that has taken off,
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: and you know, and Wakan is a big part.
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  Speaker 3: Know.
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  Speaker 2: I know, it's a lot of name Liss say his
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  Speaker 2: real name. Uh, that's trying not to and uh yeah
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  Speaker 2: and Matt Hatch, right, the two of them, but a
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: lot of that is Matt Hatch and his ability to
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  Speaker 2: organize and entertain.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I know he is a true entertainer mc innkeeper,
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  Speaker 3: Like the vibe is so true that that just makes
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  Speaker 3: me so happy and fuzzy to know that that's just
• 13:24
  Speaker 3: continuing to the obsession with Wheel of Time is continuing
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: to pay dividends for people in our community. That's very cool. Yeah,
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: this is this is the Dusty Wheel of Like, hey,
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: I know that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, the Rumor Wheel, and I was like, hey,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: that's a little but I didn't realize you were in
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: renaming it the rumor Wheel.
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: I know, right, And that's the little opening song for
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  Speaker 3: the channel is something if you want rumors and appeal,
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Dusty Wheel. So you know, there's there's
• 13:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of mutual winking and nodding happening here.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, how much was theory Land the original?
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  Speaker 2: Like I mean, back when the Internet was first going
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  Speaker 2: on and fandoms were first coming up, and there weren't
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  Speaker 2: you know, TV shows didn't quite have the shall we
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  Speaker 2: say plot that was worth speculating about, right, They were
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: all very simple and episodic, right, Like what we speculated
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  Speaker 2: about on the Internet was books. Wheel of Time was
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  Speaker 2: one of the first books that was speculated about at length,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And like now, internet speculation and fandom is
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  Speaker 2: this huge, huge thing, and like Matt Hatch and the
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: Dusty Wheel and theory Land were right there at the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember stumbling across theory Land the second that
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  Speaker 3: I poked my head up looking for a fandom at all,
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: and I never really engaged much, but it was like, okay,
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: so there's theory Land and thirteenth Depository and maybe something
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: else somewhere like it's yeah, soog soog, and.
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  Speaker 2: I read the Wheel of Time FAQ. But the Wheel
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: of Time FAQ was one hundred percent distilled theory Land.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: That's what they probably when they got done having all
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  Speaker 2: the formed discussions they published there, just they wrote it
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  Speaker 2: up and put it on the.
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  Speaker 3: Faq fack and Encyclopedia Watt.
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  Speaker 2: Encyclopedia Wat. I didn't discover until later, but I've used
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: that extensively during the recording of this podcast. That's my
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite favorite sites now because it's very
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: much like this is what happened in each chapter. These
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: are the characters who are there. No you know, X,
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  Speaker 2: Y and Z happened, no judgment, no speculation, and incredible accuracy. Right.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: That's the other thing is like the Wikipedia not as
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: accurate as Encyclopedia Watt.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which is appropriate for a thing that calls itself wiki. Right,
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a Our fantom is full of a
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: bunch of nerds. And like the older we get, the
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: more serious skill sets we have, and the more experienced
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: we have, just the more our collected body of knowledge
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: gets refined and turned into this massive, constructive nerdom, just
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: just massive.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: The other character we have in this opening is Katty.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any references to her, see if that
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: was and see her aimed after anybody, but also only
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: appears to be the only time she appears.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I guess she's just the person.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Just a person. I guess I should read us in.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: This is way too much of an action chapter not
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: to read in.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, right, right right, We've.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Been going off for a while, but we'll do a
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: read in anyway.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It's probably gonna be a fair amount of reading in
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: this chapter, just because like action scenes, right, that's what happened.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: It's one thing to say about this chapter. I blame anime,
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: and I'm not mad about it. I'm not mad about.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: It, but yes, I agree, strong agree, very very Anime.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Chapter thirty one Into the Void. Our symbol are the
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: dice because it's a Matt chapter and the void is
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: where the vulom goes. Matt dumped the rest of the
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: wine into his mouth, savoring the sweet, cool taste. He
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: brought the cup down and tossed a handful of dice.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: They tumbled to the wooden floor of the tavern, clacking
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: against one another. Wait, you're throwing dice on the floor
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: on a table. It's not a bending over.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, m okay.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: The air was thick, thick with sounds, thick with curses,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: thick with scents, smoke, pungent liquors, a steak that had
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: been peppered so much that you could hardly taste the
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: meat that was probably for the best. Even in Camlin,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: meat spoiled unpredictably. The pungent men around Matt watched his
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: dice fall. One of the men stank of garlic, another
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: of sweat, a third of a tannery. Their hair was stringy,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: their fingers were grimy, but their coin was good. The
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: game was called Corono's Spit and hailed from Shinar. Matt
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: did not know the rules. Five ones. The man who stank, said,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: the man who stank of garlic. His name was Riddle.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: He seemed unsettled. That's a loss. No, it's not, Matt
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: said softly. Never mind that he did not know the rules.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: He knew he'd won. He could feel his luck was
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: with him. Good thing too, He needed it tonight.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Just Matt matting as hard as Matt has ever matted.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like I don't need to know the rules
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: of a game to know if I won. That's how
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: much his luck is just like it tells him he's right.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: It's like your luck's in, you're gonna win that role.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, I know a win when I have one.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: That's just a thing that I do. I drink and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: I know that I win.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Right, And there's a whole thing where he's like standing
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: up and he's like, hey, everybody, like anybody wanted to
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: tell me the rules of this game and confirm that
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I won. And the guy's like, fine, you want.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doing this whole it's almost like pool sharking,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: but his actual target is the go along like everyone
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: is the game where but he's playing like almost like
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: a pool shark within the game.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And isn't he winning with weighted dice that they're supposed
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: to make him lose?
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: No, they were playing with weighted dice that were supposed
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: to make him lose, right right, Oh right, yeah he
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: was playing. Yes, yes, he was twisting their weighted dice
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: as one does, because that's what he does. And yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: he's he does this whole thing where he like takes
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: off his scarf then puts the scarf on, it takes up.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know, he's doing a lot of very elaborate
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: costume changes in front of everyone to make sure that
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: everyone one knows that the one eyed gambler with the
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: cool hat and the pointy stick of doom is in town.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: He's just really hamming it up super hard. That's bait, right,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, uh huh, it screams bait. And like the
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: way the Golom shouldn't have taken this bait because it
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: was so obvious. It's like he I think the reason
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: is that the goal I'm underestimates all of Matt's allies
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: and Matt himself because it's it's too much, Matt. This
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: is not subtle. This looks like bait. This looks like
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: you have a trap setup, in my personal opinion.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: And then I love reading into this description of the
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: dusty Wheel. Yeah, the inn had walls dark from years
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: of men smoking pipes inside it, and the windows, though
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: a fine glass, had grown opake with dirt and smoke.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: It was tradition that they never be cleaned. And I
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: just wonder if that's like we keep archives of all
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: like the debates and stuff like that. You know, just
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: like the constant like being inside the forums and just
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: talking over and over all the smoke and soot that's
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: on the windows that we never clean.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Like we've gone over this territory of part times and
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: we'll do it a billion times more. And don't you
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: dare shut us down from going into do does the
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: mun powers stop periods or not? Like we will cover
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: this territory again.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: The weathered sign up front had a wagon wheel painted
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: on it. The official name was the dusty Wheel. Everyone
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: called it the rumor wheel instead. It was the best
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: place in Camlin to listen to rumors. Most of them
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: were untrue, but that was half the fun.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Looney theories, baby, that's looney theories right there. Like half
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the shit we say makes no sense is literally a
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: looney theory cannot be true and literally that's that's why wether,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: that's half the fun is just being like, now you're wrong,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: and this is why.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: That is a paragraph dedicated to the fandom.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah I feel seen. I do feel seen.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: So the next like two pages is him like proving
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: that he won, right, Like I don't have a lot
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: for that.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's the it's the peacocking. I was talking
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: about he's just peacock and real hard for the sake
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: of catching the golums, we're really catching the eye of
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: every spy who is ultimately reporting back to the Goup.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And then I'll read the next paragraph that references Matt
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Hatch himself. Matt left a golden crown on the edge
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: of the bar, then tipped his hat to Hatch. The
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: innkeeper also named.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Matt with two t's though.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, the two d's. The man stood behind the bar
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: wiping her glass, his wife next to him. She was
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a pretty one, but Hatch kept a special cudgel for
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: thumping men who looked too long. Matt gave her only
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a short look then. So yeah, I just love that
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: reference to the real world's people and having hung out
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: with Matt Hatch and knowing Matt Hatch and seeing all
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: his work on the Dusty Wheel, and it's just nice
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to see a lit tribute to him here. Yeah, for sure,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: more so than I feel like all the other names
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that like the people who got named dropped for donating, Like,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I get that that is a reward and it's fun,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: but to me that feels forced in a way that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: this doesn't. This feels natural and like an actual love
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: letter as opposed to naming random characters you're gonna kill off.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, as you said, like, Matt Hatch is
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: a very singular figure in the fandom and in the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: community and in possibly even the wider shape of how
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: fandoms online can look. So he deserves a little bit
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: more of an impassioned, organic love letter insertion than just
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: and then name drop because there were brackets there.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: So Matt leaves and the dice stopped thundering in his
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: head because he's made some basically, he's inevitable confrontation with
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the goal at this point.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: I think also it might be that the golamb has
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: decided that because like Matt worries, like, maybe the goal's
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: not going to take the bait. Like if the dice
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: have stopped, I think that means the golum has decided
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: he's taking the bait.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, and you put yourself in a situation where he
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: can get to you.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Right, It's like, yes, you have tipped yourself off the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: starter or the starting position of the roller coaster, and
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: the ride is now inevitable. Even though you haven't reached
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the conclusion yet, it is inevitable that you will get there.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So he heads out ties his medallion to the Ashendar, right,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and I assume this is the original medallion. I don't.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: He doesn't specify which one's the original.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I assume that he gives the original that pride
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: of place around his neck and he's not swapping it
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: out with, you know, one of the replacements, because even
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: though he doesn't really care about the other attributes that
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Aline cares about, it is still the original, like there's
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: a special you know, bond there with your jewelry.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Also, you know, he can't be sure the copies are
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: going to be effective until they actually.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Work, right, Right, he's banking on it, but truly he
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: doesn't know.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: So the next couple pages he's basically wandering around. He's
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: got his Band of the Red Hand shadowing him.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: And he gets attacked four times by different street thugs.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: We're gonna do dark friendship, We're gonna get him, and
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: it totally doesn't work. But this is all preamble to
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the actual henchmen of Doom, the Golom.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Do you think these are dark friends or thieves?
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I think dark friends because he was just waving his
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: face around so aggressively and the dark friends have been
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: just told on high alert, like kill this guy. So
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: it makes sense that it's just a bunch of low
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: level thugs massively overestimating their ability to take down a
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: literal demigod like level fifteen, Like you guys are level two,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: what are you even doing right now? Level three thugs
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: at that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: And he's got this this group of people coming out
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: of the shadows to protect him, right, he's surrounded by.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: He's not even fighting, right, he doesn't want to waste
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: his energy and potential accidents on fighting these people. They're
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: not even killing most of them, right, they're just showing
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: them off. They don't even have to kill anyone till
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the last fight.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because the last time, the first few
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: times they realized they're not classed and run away, and
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: the last time they fight and they kill.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: They kill five thugs and lose nobody except one of
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: their own guys to an injury. Like he doesn't even
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: get killed. He just has to get, you know, taken
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: off to recuperate from getting stabbed or whatever.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And then in comes the golomb.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Oh it's such a like I can hear the like
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: red tailed hawk scream and the tangy guitar down, you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: as they like square off on the street, like it's
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: such a Western. It's like a Western, but you're right,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: it's very anime. It's just so visible.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Because you see him in the distance highlighted and you
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: see his outline and you can't see any features, but
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: by the way he stands, you know it's him. And
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: then he says, you think to ambush me with your
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: men who squish and rip and die so easily, almost
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: at a touch.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I'm tired of being chased. I'm gonna turn and fight you.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: It's so classic and.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Like about like this is, you know, the confrontation was
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: so many years in the making, with the goalam coming
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: after Thailand and haunting him for such a long time
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and the foreshadowing and everything like that, Like, uh, it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: it's a great battle to watch them go at each other.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, like Nalisian's death is in many ways one
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: of the first like long term characters to just die,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: Like basically everyone has had protection because of their proximity
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: to the main character. Nalisian dying is kind of a
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: watershed moment in like, oh, like.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: You can't protect everybody people.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Close to the main characters are gonna have to die
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: in order to keep escalating the stakes. Then Tiland gets
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: killed and like she's a monarch on top of that, Like, yeah,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: it's been a long time that this confrontation has been building,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: and like going into it the first time, I was
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: like fully prepared for Matt to die, Like I don't know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: like maybe this is part of the twist for the
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: last battle, is we actually lose one of the three
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: right before? Like I did not know because because so much,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: so many years of anticipating this, I just was like.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: What's the point of the goal on? Is it to
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: kill him? Right? Like what's this confrontation? Right? Yeah? So
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: he burns them a little bit with the Ashondare. Then
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: there's another that I can tall in an anime moment before,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Matta thought this creature's face unremarkable, unremarkable, But in the
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: uneven light, with that smile, it took on a terrifying cast,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: more angular reflected lantern light, making his eyes glow like
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: tiny yellow flames consumed by the darkness of its sockets.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking, how many times have I seen
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: that anime where you have like this very normal, generic
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: looking character and then they do this thing where the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: light hits their face weird. They put their head down,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: their eyes glow and their face turns all angular and
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: like that's an evil dude, Like that's anime. Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: So basically the plan is that as soon as the
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: confrontation starts, the band switches from patrol duty to light
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: a bunch of lanterns and start evacuating people from houses.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: There's this really rapid fire communication that's happening in the
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: background while Matt fights the goal on where they are
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: coordinating which building he's in, where they're gonna put this gateway.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Who's gonna do it? Like, there's a lot of moving
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: parts behind the scenes.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: That we just don't see, right, because they couldn't guarantee
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the goal was going to show up in any particular place,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: so they had to basically once the goal shows up,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: they have this fire plan to try and set up
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a trap for him and get that ready.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Right, and they don't mean to set the building on fire,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: but it works out in the end, and they have
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: the whole plan to you know, get civilians out of
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the way so that way the golumb isn't scared off.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Who knows how many kinswomen they have on hand to
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: try to be able to make as many gateways as
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: they need to cover all the contingencies, you know.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: And I liked a little bit that the only reason
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: he really has to even confront the goal is he
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: swore to stay in the city because of his oath
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: to Van and the fact that he won't open that
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: stupid letter which would save Camelin.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: It is really funny how much this is just hinges
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: on that damn letter in him being so stubborn. On
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: the other hand, the golumb does have to get dealt with,
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: like there's no way to truly shake the golum. But yes,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: it is funny that MAT's motivation comes down to his
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: stubborness around the letter that he would love to follow
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: the instructions in. If he opened that letter and Varren said,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: would you please defend Camlin, He'd be like, yeah, I
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: mean right, like not a big deal.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So he's fighting it. He rams the butt of
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: his spear between the thing's legs. It went down. Its
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: motions were fluid and it caught itself, but it did
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: go down, And I'm like, does the goal I have balls?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Is that what He's still trying to imply I.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Thought it was a tangle thing. I thought that it
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: was more like a stick in the spokes kind of
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: between the.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Him. Literally, he just literally slams it into the ramming
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the butt of his spear between the thing's legs, and
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: it goes down. He still has the ashindare.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't make sense if it doesn't have balls,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: it doesn't have a pelvis, and it doesn't have a
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: solar plexus doesn't have guts, right, what are you impacting
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: between its legs that is particularly impactful. Maybe he like
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: lifted it off the ground slightly, so it like literally
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: lost momentum, agreed, Ujie. The goal I had to be
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: killed before last battle because otherwise it could just be
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: essential shale gooul to kill Rand and then the whole
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: world is over. You cannot start the last battle unless
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: this fucker is off the board.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Now we do have the fact that the Dark One
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: didn't know when Rand was coming to shale Gooule. That
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: was definitely helpful with the dagger that hit him.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, that helped a lot. I wonder how the goalm
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: would respond to the dream spike. Can it just walk
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: through the dream spike bubble?
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I mean there's no bubble in the real world.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Ah yeah, I guess that bubble was only in the
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: dream world. If it was in the dream world.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: And not only in the gates gateways, it doesn't have
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: anything to do with any other one power. I have
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the feeling the goal and would be completely unaffected anyway.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's taking the Goalmban until I run
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: riand to test this. Okay, So, yes, being hit between
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: the legs anachronistic to the Golomb's known anatomy.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. No, that that made me look at it
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: and go, hmmm, I feel like that shouldn't have worked.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: But okay, fine, because like he's consiver, it's tendon achilles heel,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't bother it. It doesn't have a tendon there, right,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: it's just right.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: He cuts the fingers off. It doesn't see. He says
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: it should slow it down, but we've see no evidence
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: that it does.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: And I also fully believe that it can t one
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: thousand those fingers back into itself.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Yeah, I'm sure that tendon is healing as
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: fast as the blade can leave the area, you know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Like it just doesn't have like he says, he cuts
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: its tendon, but like, it doesn't there's no tendon to cut.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: It cut the area where the tendon would be.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: The golm is made up of spongy right, Like, it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: just spongy flesh. There's nothing.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: It is a solid blob. It could be any shape.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Look anyway, question, are its clothes real or just part
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: of its body? No?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Clearly part of its body, right, because it like squeezes
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: through cracks and shit and it doesn't like and it
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: comes out the other side with clothes.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, doesn't leave clothes behind. Yeah, so it's
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: literally like you know Odo from DS nine, that's what
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: this esture is, except evil obviously.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: And like less biological even than Odo. Right, Odo is
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: at least flesh.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are at least biology. It's but the way
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: that they can just be whatever they want. Look, however
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: they want truly not limited to the human form. They're
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: only that way because it serves their purposes.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, i'd almost disagree with that, because they
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: can turn liquid and stretchy, and they have one particular face.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: But we've never seen a golmam look like anybody else.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Oh that's true. They do have a fixed look in
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: a way that Odo and his kind don't.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Like they're not shape changers as far as we can tell.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: They're not infiltrating it by looking like you know, Tuon
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: and showing up like he's not that, No, true, he is,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: just he looks like what he looks like.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: And he can squish, right, He's got infinite form mutability
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: as far as space goes, but not as far as
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the details. He can squish through a tiny hole, but
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: he will look the same on the other side once
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: he expands again. Okay, fair enough. Not a true shape changer.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Like memory metal, right that you can like distort it
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: and then if you heat it back up, it pops back.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: But it's only got the one shape it pops back into.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Hmmm hmm. Yeah, I'm and aside, they only ever made six,
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: three male and three female quote unquote male and female.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: We assume the other five or debts. Yeah, right, that's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: the only reason why it's like, yeah, it's possible to
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: kill a gol On because this is the only one left,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: and so the other one's probably either starved to death
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: or were killed in the you know, breaking or you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: we're lost in the bottom of an ocean, right, like.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one assumes that at least one was dropped into
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: a fiery pit in the earth and sealed up in
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: magma forever, you know.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So the goal is basically like, Okay, I don't want
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: to fight fair. I'm going to knock out of the
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: light so I can fight in the darkness because there's
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: one of me and lots of them and anything I
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: can kills. And Matt starts panicking right because he's like,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: oh fuck, I don't want the lights to go.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Out, right, And there's a bit of like four d
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: chests here with you know, the lanterns, and then Tamanis
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: grabs one lantern and it's like, oh, TALMANI is just
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: making an impulsive decision to save a lantern. He's not.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: This is kind of part of the plan, like a
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: little bit the golumb moves faster than everyone was hoping.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: But also like they have layers of it's not even contingencies,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: but just phases of the plan that are meant to Again,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: there's band members relaying back what's happening. Okay, Tomna says,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: grabbed a lantern. He's moving down this street, so it's
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: going to be one of these buildings and like so
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: on and so forth, and then you know the eyes
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: sadyre up there or the kinzomn are up there looking
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: at a map saying, Okay, it's going to be this
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: quadron of town, might be this building, this building, whatever.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And here's where he throws the spear and trips the
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: gold because the Golan's going after Talmanus and he tosses
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the spear and.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: That's a stick in the spokes kind of just like
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: even the Golomb cannot move his legs in that much
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: of an s curve that quickly. No, like that's just
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: it's too fast. And then the Golomb says, well, what
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: if I take away you're ashandari stupid stick with the madeion,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: I throw it into a burning building. And Matt goes, aha,
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: I was waiting for you to ask that question, right.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: And that's when we get the reveal that he's got
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: more heads.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: And he's doing I don't even what the weapon is called,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: but he's got chains that the things are on the
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: ends of chains and he's swinging the chains so like
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: with the and like yeah, but not like numb truck,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: because numb trust are like the stick with a little chain.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: He's got like a long chain with a ball on
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the end. It's like a mace and a numbchuck had
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: a love child. I'm sure there's a real a flail.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: That's the word. He's got flails. He's got a flail
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: in each hand and is very adept at it. I
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: can't imagine how he got so adept at using this
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: very awkward custom weapon. But he's like whipping them out
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and back and like wrapping them around his arms. It's
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: very very anime. So anime.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is where you know Elaine said or
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: copies weren't perfect, but they seems they did the job.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: So yeah, these are definitely the copies the originals around.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: This was on the Ashinari, Yeah, which means it's now
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: in a burning building. And I guess this isn't technically
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: a flail, because a flail is like you're holding a
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: stick which has a chain, which has a ball. I
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: don't know what it's called when you are just the
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: stick yourself and it's just chain and ball, stickless flail.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: What's the word for a stickless file. I'm sure there's
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: a weapon. A word for this, because there's a word
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: for every kind of weapon.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, this is one of those things where
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: like something on the end, a hard thing on the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: end of the chain. Has so many names and used
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: in so many different but I don't know if flail
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: seems to be the one.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: It's a particular kind of flail, yeah, because I'm thinking
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: of like the flail icon and like Balder's gate and
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: like that's definitely a stick chain ball combo.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: The chain weapon is a weapon weighed made out of
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: one or more heavy objects attached to a chain, sometimes
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: with a handle.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, cool, there we go.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: The flail was one of the more common types of
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: chain weapons associated with mid to evil Europe.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, it's a chain weapon. You could call it a flail,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: but you should probably qualify there's not a stick candle. Yeah,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Bouji a Lane totally should have made a heftier amulet,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: and then Matt could have had a lot more projectile
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: invent of power behind that.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: The three pounds silver amulets. Sha, Yeah, get really sharp
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: foxhead ears so that they pierce.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, make the make the teeth that kind of like
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: protrude out the muzzles like in a snarl position.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And then so the Ashindari. The butt of it is
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in the fire right, and he gets this smoke effect
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: when he's spinning it now, so he has trailing smoke
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: on the butt of the rifle. Again anime so visual,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: very visual, and also I feel like that's something that
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: we see a lot in Storm White Archive with Calcas Kalidin.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: The main character is a spear wheelder, and there's multiple
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: times when he has like miss trailing off the butt
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: of his spear or smoke on the butt of his spear.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Like this is something I feel like Sanderson has used
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: multiple times in his fights of this idea of like
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: kind of leaving a trail behind as you spin the spear,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: and that's a cool visual.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's a really good move too in
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: like the anime space because you can use it to
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: help do the like time speed up and slow down
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: thing that's so fun. In action sequences, you can use
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: the smoke as a sort of like constant because Somak
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: is so transient that if you do like the big
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: slow dump, then like the smoke is you know, frozen
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: in space or you can you know, see how fast
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I'm moving because there's like spirals of smoke like left
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: across the space that they no longer inhabit. Because they're so.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: Fast, you don't have to actually animate every scene where
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the smoke was.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: R It's uh, it works for me, you know, it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: it's a classic move and it does it for me.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Then he cuts the fingers off. You know, it would
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: be funny if the he pushes the goal through and
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the fingers regrow the gole.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Don't detach the fingers. You have to throw the whole
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: thing over the side. Oh my god, Okay, and salmon
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: to say posted in chat a chain weapon, which is
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: two balls attached by a chain. And if that's what
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: we're talking, that is a bola.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I got two balls attached by a chain.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: That's not pronounced bola.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Screwtum?
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: What yeah, would you reproducing like a flatworm? Or maybe yeah,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: what if what if it reproduced a new golam? But
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: it was like, there's the golam in space is still
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: falling right, Oh yeah, grows and now there's two of them.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: He grows two more fingers and then the fingers grow hole.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Oh no, like a hydra, but from the fingers, oh god.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Or if the golm was like proportionately tiny you.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Oh my god? Oh oh okay, this one from horrifying
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: to completely observe and amusing very quickly.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking evil dead.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Golm definitely reproduce this. Actually, that goes without saying for sure.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think Golam reproduce. I think that's why it
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: was only six of them.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Sure, that's probably a good thing. They never mentioned what
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: happens to the fingers though. What happens to them? Do
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: they dissolve like goo? Do they vanish into the void?
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Are they just like weird like flesh fingers But the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Golan doesn't have bones, so they couldn't be fleshy, So like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: what what are the fingers on the ground? Aingers is
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: just gonna vanish? I guess we're just gonna have to
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: head cannon that they kind of like crumble into some sort.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Of yea, yeah, I assume they kind of rot just
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: like fingers normally would.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: But it's not real flesh.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's like dust like in the Bubble of Evil
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: that nine even Nafe cleaned up or something.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I think we officially have one of our spinoff stories
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: that we're gonna tell of the Fourth Age.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Wakes up doesn't know what its purpose is, mysteriously is
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: missing a few fingers.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: He thinks he's a normal person at first.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: And then like one day he gets like run over
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: by a wagon and should have been like completely crushed
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: in the guts, and it's just fine.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Does create blood, though gonna be hard to.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Can't eat regular food, only wants blood. That's gonna be
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: real hard to survive childhood as Yeah, it's okay, it's fanfic.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: We'll make it work. Then Matt does an excellent just
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: screaming in the old tongue as he just completely unloads
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: on the go along right, Like he's always played it
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: a little safe. He's always had a little self preservation.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: He's stupid sometimes, but now he is both barrels going
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: at once, just like screaming in the old tongue, you
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: know for Nalisi and four it'sland for the fallen. Fuck
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: you motherfucker. Like he's fully going for.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: It and he's trying to draw its attention because it
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: has that moment where it seems to notice something behind it, right,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: and that's either the isidae or that the kinswoman who's
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: holding the power, or the gateway itself.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm assuming it's the kinswoman, just her presence in proximity.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: But he's like, ha, they think that an Isodye is
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: going to blast you with fireball. That's not gonna work.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: And it's like no, no, no, we're not doing fireball well.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: And they also they did this trick right where she
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: didn't cast the gateway here. She casts it at the destination,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: so there was no power being used in that location,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: which is Yeah, the gateways are a bit of an
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: interesting little thing like that, because you can affect something
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: far away even though you're casting the spell or you know,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: weaving the weaves in a totally different location.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that he just feels her proximity
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: and just writes her off. But like in the text,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: you can tell because he talks about the firelight, you know,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: flickering all over everything, and then one doorway is ex
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: dark and the firelight doesn't flicker, and so that's how
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: he knows like which door to aim for. But yeah,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: I agree, it is a distraction because he has to
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: keep he has to herd the golomb right now. The
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: door has been picked, right, they can't pick another building,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: pick another doorway, like he has to maneuver the goleum
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: into that doorway because there's no one who can give
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: feedback on how to reposition it, Like that's it, that's
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: where you gotta go.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: And this is a skimming doorway, not a traveling doorway.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it takes it out onto a platform, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: so yeah, it backs up through the doorway, glances down
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: at the floor, which is not the floor anymore, and
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: that's when the four D chess game is revealed, the
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: call of Vengeance, and then yeah, it almost stumbles off
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: the edge of the platform and we have this just
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: gloriously cinematic moment of it hanging on the edge and
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Matt getting to do like one tiny little hero mustache
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: twhirl and just kicks him off, just fucking boot plants
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: in the back and just whoop.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can die, And that's so softly.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I hope the light that you can't. He raised a boot,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: slammed it in the things back, screaming this is Sparta,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: throwing it off the platform into the.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Darkness, and then he spits down after it, just sending
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a spit which again I'm like,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's gonna figure out how to
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: do blood magic on the way down and like summon
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: you into the depths of hell. Maybe you shouldn't send
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: your DNA down there with him, but whatever.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Maybe able to use that blood to survive somehow, like
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: you know, like there's some yeah.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: And then he says, I hope you can't die, because
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I'm going to enjoy the thought of you falling through
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: that blackness forever. You miss Begod and saw you misbegotten
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: son of a ghost dropping. I'm going to enjoy the
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: thought of you falling forever, like that's just a thing
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: to remember that for the rest of time, until the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: thing starves. That is happening in a nameless space that
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: no other person and we'll ever get to like this
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: person creature construct is living out that nightmare that Matt
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: is going to be reveling in for the rest of
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: his days.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: And the only other person we know who's lived out
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that nightmare is a poor Ayeel who.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: Fell and who definitely died a lot faster than the
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Golom will because human fear and dehydration. I'm assuming the
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Golam has a lot longer to live.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of also assuming the Iell embrace death and
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: killed himself with his stars long before. Yeah, that became
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: an issue.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: Once he got bored of being terrified of falling and
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: realized that there was no one coming to save him. Yeah,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: he probably was like, I'm gonna need to end this
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: on my own terms.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: No, So the Golam is the second person to ever
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: suffer that fate that we know of in this timeline,
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: in this period of history.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Camic gol and die. I think so. I think they
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: can starve to death. I think they need blood to
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: sustain themselves.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: How long do you think it takes? I assume a
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: lot longer than dehydration for a person, longer than starvation
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: for a human.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Tough to really know, because I mean he seems to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: kill on a pretty regular basis, right Like, but how
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: much that is wants to versus has to. I think
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: they have to kill pretty frequently.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Maybe like a wolf kind of frequency. Not literally daily,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: but pretty.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Often mm hmmm mm hmm, sort of weekly type situation.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: So probably could make it for a month with no food.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm thinking sort of food, like the
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: way people would die without food, right, Like, there's a
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: certain starvation you know.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: About human speed for that, not dehydration though, I don't
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: think I think that would be relevant. It's just the
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: sheer sustenance of blood.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Because the goal omar vampires, right.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for the most part.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they live forever, they're impossible to kill, they
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: have vulnerability against silver.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they drink blood, they heal rapidly, and they can
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: move through.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I mean vampires are represented in many of the different.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Even right, the drug car also, right, Like, that's where
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you get the bats, yeah, I.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Mean even fades to a certain extent, right right, Yeah.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: No, there is well, and that's where our legends are
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: never based on. Like Thor is a bit of Rand and.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Parent right right, right right, Odin is split out across
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Matt and Rand in a lot of ways.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, that's that's one of the coolest endings.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: You know. I think that the Golam for the Golam
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and paden Fane, I think are sort of the two
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: biggest and Slayer. Those are our three sort of side
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: character bad guys that aren't the big bad, that aren't
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: the Forsaken, but that are significant antagonists to our Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: They're mid level. They're definitely not just your regular fade
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: and festive trolls. They're on another level. And Matt takes
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: out two of those. Yes, I guess because Rand was
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: busy taking out the actual bbeg right.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think that Padden Fane should have had
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: more to do with Rand. He tried, He tried.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: To his credit, padd and Fane was going for Rand,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: not for Matt. Just not got in the.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Way, because I do think Patent Faanine should have been
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: involved in the last Bett. Like I still, I would
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: have loved had to have Rand kill the dark One,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: realize his mistake and slam Paddent Fane into that spot
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: and make him the new dark One.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Here's your challenge, write a five hundred word fanfick of
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: that for when we get to that part. All right,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: all right, you've got a yearish.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: My writing is terrible.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's why I gave you a short word count.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, we have a little bit of a debrief.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Samako immediately chides Matt on his technique, and Matt says, no,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not accepting that criticism. That was what worked. Get
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: out of here. She doesn't offer healing, he doesn't ask.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: He wonders how too one feels about sexy man Scars.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: I assume that she doesn't care one way or any
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: because he's Prince of the Ravens and that's what counts.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: But it's still a cute thought on his part. Women
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: like Scars, does two unlike Scars? Silly man? And then
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I did have a thought, So he Tomana's hands, Matt
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: back his medallions. The kin look at the medallions very
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: very hungrily, and he says he intends one for Oliver
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: and the other for two on. Once he could find her,
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: but two on can channel. So if she has one
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: of the copies and she attempts to do anything Sooldami
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: or even you know, reach for the hour herself, that's
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: gonna be a problem. He might not care about the
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: flaws that Elene is complaining about, but they might come
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: into play for two.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I bet, I bet you cannot use an adam if
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: you're wearing a copy.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: I would assume so that that feels like they would
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: be like only the original would work. So we know
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: that two one doesn't do sold on stuff very much anymore.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: She's busy being an empress, et cetera, et cetera. But
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: I'm like that you're gonna give her a broken toy
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: and she's gonna be so pissed because it's going to
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: remind her about the fact that she can channel and
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: like that. We don't ever see it happen, but it's
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: it's funny to imagine that going sour, you know, like
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: sometime in early February when she finally gets to try
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: her Christmas present.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: You know. Same thing with Oliver. I don't think we
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: ever see him get one.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: No, no, but it won't give him any pro problems
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: because he's, you know, a regular mortal fighter. He doesn't
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: have magic abilities, so the flaws wouldn't be an issue
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: for him. But I do assume that when he does
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: his adventuring life in the fourth Age, that he does
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: have a Foxhead medallion that Matt did ultimately manage to
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: get around to giving him.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Well, And it's interesting because there's plenty of opportunity for
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Matt to give it to him, right before he goes
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: off to the towers, right he says goodbye to Oliver.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why doesn't that ever happen again? Because the gold
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: lumbs out of.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: The seems like Oliver should have the medallion that whole time.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like It should have been something that's
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: like bouncing on his chest as Bella takes him on
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: that last desperate run, something that he's like clutching in
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: the hopes that'll protect him, but he knows that it
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: doesn't work against the blades of shadow spawn, and that
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: should have been there. That's a weird little detail that
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: would have really added to Oliver. Like, oh, Oliver's leveled
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: up to a level two child, you know, like free
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: at this point.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Honestly, he at least has protection from channeling, right, Like.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: That would have been a really nice He's continuing to
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: armor up. But I don't know, Sanderson just lost that
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: little crumb along the way between the couch cushions.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: I guess seems like, well, it seems like that got forgotten.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: We'll just wedge a little head cannon in there for fun.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna assume Oliver's carrying one of those the whole time.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, we are now head cannoning that Matt does give
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: him one, and it is with him for all of
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: his subsequent on screen interactions on page interactions.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I just thought of something. The Golam would be able
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: to go through a gateway, because Matt's gone through gateways
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: wearing the medallion, and.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: The medallion didn't like explode or anything the.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Gateway, right, Yeah, okay, so that logic makes sense to me.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: We still need to see what would happen if he
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: swung the medallion into the edge of a gateway, and
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: we can try that with one of the spars, like
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: like touching it to the edge and see which thing
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: gets destroyed.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you go for it. I'll be over
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: here far away on the.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Side to make me some ten foot tongs exactly voujie
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: to have some black Audua sister go after Oliver and
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: then just get absolutely shanked by a child because he's
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: got magic community. That would have been so much fun,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: some low level dark friend and he just like manages
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: his first kill because she assumes that a child couldn't
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: possibly be immune to a fireball and he's just like,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: it's just.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: We yeah, and she's like, wait, what, I'm the like
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Galina or something getting taken down by Oliver.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Yes, taking down a supremely scary black sister not knowing
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: who the hell she is. Yeah, just completely clear girl
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: who he killed. Yeah, much good headcanon here, And then
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: we get a fun little interaction between Guy Bond, Matt,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: and Talmana I said again, is really bringing Talmani's in
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: as a more fleshed out, humorous character that's gonna be
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: deeply involved in the Andoran plot because Matt says, oh yeah,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: this is a because because guybon asks is the goal,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: I'm dead and you know, Matt just said, I hope
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: you can't die, right, So he's like, wow, isn't that dead?
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: But close enough for a crown contract? Guyon says, we
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: didn't sign a contract. TILMANI is just dead pans like,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure you owe us combat pay, just like
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: absolutely dead pan. The kind of thing the in prior
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: books would have been. He's a stiff noble and that's
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: all there is to him. But now, because Sanderson wants
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: him to take on a more load bearing portion of
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: the plot, he's getting to be funny and sardonic and
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: sarcastic instead of boring and flat.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Woujie I like I like all Vren instead of Glena
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: in that situation.
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, because all vr and being locked in a grove
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: forever is annoying and stabbed by a child who doesn't
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: realize that she's literally the head of the black auja
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: wah yeah, yeah, or not the head of the Black
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Aja the.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: What is was?
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh the red and al Vrn's head.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Of the Black the Black?
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, right, right right, Yeah.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: I made that mistake many times and you've corrected me.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: So it's nice to come back.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Thank you for returning the favorite. Between the two of us,
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: we know most of what's happened, and then the audience
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: is there to keep us extra on track.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Between between the thousand of us, we kind of know
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: what's going on.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, precisely. It takes a thousand people that keep up
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: with Robert Shorten, yes, yeah.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: And then just a little bit of the end he
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: talks about using stuffing the golms down, stuffing the medallions
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: down the golm's throat as a solution, which, yeah, that'd
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: be fun.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: That would have been a lot longer and more drawn
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: out of a way to kill it, I think.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like you have to somehow confine
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the goal to do a lot of things, and that's
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: really hard to do because of his stretchy ability, So
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: you can't like time down unfortunate.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that was a really fun chapter,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: fun action sequences, That was just a good time. That
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: was just a good time. I've been looking forward to
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: this chapter for a while.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Same I we'll do a readout. Worked out fine, Matt said,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: inspecting the butt of his Ashendari. The damage was minor.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: They had not known where or the golm would attack him,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: but guy Bonds had done his job well, getting everyone
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: out of the nearby buildings, then picking a hallway that
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the Kinswoman would make the gateway into. He'd send a
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: member of the band to tell Tomnis where to go. Well,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Elaine and Brigida's idea what the gateway had worked out.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Even if it hadn't been the way they'd planned, it
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: was still better than one Matt had been able to
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: come up with. His only idea had been trying stuff
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: one of those medallions down the Gold's throat. Let's collect
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Seattle and Oliver from there in, Matt said, and go
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: back to camp. Excitements over for now. About bloody time.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is about bloody time. We get that antagonist
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: off of your docket.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Dude, quick question, what was Elaine's in Brigida's What way
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: did they think it was going to work out?
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I was just wondering that maybe they figured that it
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: would die on passage through the gateway, and he was like,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that, but the skimming platform sounds
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: deadly enough as a backup. We can work with it totally,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: because I had never really thought about that. But it
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: had to just be that because typicalized to die. They
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: think the one power is a solution to everything. You know,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: that is a two rivers boy, and he knows that
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: sometimes you just got to hit someone really hard and
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: that's actually the solution. Ah. That was great. That was
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: not too short of a chapter. It's pretty pretty short
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: because it's an action chapter. But I feel like we
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: reveled in. We really just wallowed in how awesome that was.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you very much.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you everyone.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: See you next week, See you next week.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: All right, recording is started. And I need the world
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: to know that there are, in fact three kinds of spicy.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: I've recently discovered a third kind of spicy. There is
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: regular chili spicy. There is your mustard horseradish kind of spicy.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Like black pepper would fall in that category too, I think, right, yeah.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly as opposed to a chili pepper. Yeah, And
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: then there is Sishwan pepper, which is numbing, numbing spicy.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: It's a third kind of spicy, and I have my
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: husband and I have discovered this in recent months and
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: it has been a bit of a culinary revelation. And
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: it's really really good. It goes really good in soup.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: You were eating soup and put a you know, a
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: good couple of tablespoons of that into a soup. Ah,
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: so good, or just put it on noodles.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: So I don't understand numbing like you have to. You
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: have to explain to me what you mean by numbing spicy.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: It's it's like a cold sensation almost. It's a tingly almost,
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: but not like mint cold. It's not like a minti cold,
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: which I hate mint, but I know what minti cold
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: is like, and it's not like that. It's like a tangle.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: It's a much more of a vibration and it's almost
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: cold that it's totally hitting different nerve endings, sensors than
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: when you get the like burning hot sensation. It's a
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: different kind of thing, but it still tingles, It still
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: tingles and vibrates.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Would you suggest saldaean ice peppers?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe because it's a really intensely different
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: kind of experience. And like I've said it on recording before,
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sure half of my tongue is numb from a
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: dental mishap when they took my wisdom teeth out. My
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: tongue just never fully recovered because they hit my nerve
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: with the needle.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Ah, I forgot about that. That sucks.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: It's very weird. So half of my tongue, or closer
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: to a third of my tongue is just sort of
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: tingling all the time with numbness, and so eating this
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: sauce suddenly there was little dots of that same sensation
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: across my tongue.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: On the interest interest, what.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: It really is numbing. It's making my whole tongue numb.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: And if you eat it at a lower concentration, it's
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: more of just like a fun interesting flavor tangle. It's
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: less of a true numbing. But if you eat like
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: just the straight like sauce, like just smeared it on
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: some noodles or on some bread or whatever, it's a
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: really wild sensation. Yeah, really highly recommend it.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Closest thing I had to that is like I cut
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: off the tip of my pointer finger on my left hand,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: or more the pad I should say, than the tip right,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Like I sliced to cross instead of through, But that
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: pad is pretty much numb, like it grew back, but
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: it does not have the feeling that the rest of
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: my fingers have by a lot, which is also so
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I burn myself there all the time too, because like
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: I'll touch something hot and then it'll pull away as
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: fast on that finger, so then it's even more numb,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: because like I did, I burned this shit out of
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: last night while I was making dinner. It doesn't hurt, right, Yeah,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh god.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a weird thing to say that. It's
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: tasty to have your tongue being made numb. But it's
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: not like your tongue gets made like novacne numb. It's
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: just it's it's truly a different third kind of spicy.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Seichewan peppers. I suggest them. They look a lot like peppercorns.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: We've got like a grinder of them, We've got like
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: some jars of spice that it's the brand is called
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: fly By Jing Sichewan pepper sauce. Sometimes it's really extra
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: crunchy with like pumpkin seeds and other stuff in it
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: to give it like a very crunchy kind of experience.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: It's yeah, learned about it recently because his uncle lives
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: in Japan and came over and was like, here have
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: some like, you know, fun you know spices that we
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: just get at the store over there. And we'd also
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: recently seen about it on YouTube, and yeah, then we
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: found a sauce it safeway. It's we went to this
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: restaurant together day, which I'm sure they were using Seshwan
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: peppers in the soup that we ordered. It's just kind
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: of blossomed onto our realities and I need to be
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: part of passing this along. More people need to know
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: about the amazingness of these peppers. Awesome.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: How are your holidays? Did anything fun?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I took a nice two week break. I really focused
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: more of my celebration on Solstice, really very mid on
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: the whole American Christmas thing. Did set up a Yule
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: tree branch as one does, did do Hanuka candles because
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: that's a family tradition. Stay at home for the most part,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: did go visit the in laws and have beef Wellington,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: and of course this springs up the annual discussion of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: what exactly is the entire Wellington family of foods. There's
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: a chart, It's a whole thing. Corn dogs and pop
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: tarts are in the Wellington family.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Fun fact, I guess they would be. Yeah, I mean
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: an anytime you're wrapping meat in a pastry, right, Like
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I get.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Angry at the pop tart argument, but it's on the chart,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: so you know, yeah.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I mean because it doesn't meet there's no meat in
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: pop tarts.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: No, no, but the fact that it's stuff wrapped in
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: pastry anyway. It's one of those lovely holiday debates. So
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: that was fun. And yeah, I really just did a
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: lot of this staying home, and I had intentions of
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: staying home and working after New Year's that didn't end
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: up happening, but you know, my marriage is the stronger
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: for not doing all that work over the vacation, So
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: you know, it was, it was. It was a good
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: but quiet holiday. And yeah, as we were talking about
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: before we got onto recording and looking at dealing with
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: some medical stuff coming up soon, so you know, just
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: kind of like took a nice break and pause, and
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: now I feel like I'm trying to hit the ground running,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: not doing like a New Year's resolution thing, but just
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: doing like that was a big breath and now it's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: time to do stuff because I had a big breath.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: So that was me, how about you.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: I mean I pretty much worked my normal schedule during
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: the holiday. It's like I work in a factory that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: we don't shut down. So I had Christmas Day off,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: and I took a week off in early December because
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I did have time to burn ideas before the end
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: of the year. But yeah, when we did Christmas with
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Never's parents, and that was they do the traditional Christmas
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: family thing, the presence and everything. But yeah, just had
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: a nice cho It was nice not to record for
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks and like have that time be
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: down and actually like had my tuesdays.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I was off of all my zoom calls. Like nobody
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: gets a zoom call from me.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: I bought Never a car. That was a big part
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: of like what we did in our free time is
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: like we spent a couple of days, you know, multiple
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: days going to lots looking at use cars and you
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  Speaker 2: know her super shit of two thousand and four Subaru
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  Speaker 2: Forrester that she got in a little fender bender, and
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  Speaker 2: it's not worth repairing because they're old and labor's expensive,
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  Speaker 2: and so it becomes if you have drive an older car,
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  Speaker 2: it's very very quickly totaled if you do any damage
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  Speaker 2: to it, even if it's not a total car, right like,
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  Speaker 2: if you think about like a big fucking you destroyed car,
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  Speaker 2: it's been flipped and trash and everything like that. So
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  Speaker 2: we took the money from the car and went ahead
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  Speaker 2: and bought twenty eleven Subaru Legacy with a nice limited
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  Speaker 2: so it's got a nice package and everything, so like
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  Speaker 2: heated seats, which is important for her back and yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, it's just it's that that that's kind of like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: buying car feels like this big deal, you know, But
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  Speaker 2: then you're like, oh, but then I just have a
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  Speaker 2: car that I used to get back and forth to
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  Speaker 2: work like he used to, right like, and I'm not
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  Speaker 2: even driving it.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it's still a lot of work to make
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  Speaker 3: sure that your daily driver that your significant other is
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  Speaker 3: commuting in is like safe and good and gonna get
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  Speaker 3: the job done.
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  Speaker 2: And then we got some work done on the roof
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  Speaker 2: of the house. I got I'm such a boring old
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  Speaker 2: man now I'm like I got a new car and
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  Speaker 2: my house needs work, But like.
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  Speaker 3: Can I tell you about my well repair?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, all right, I'll tell you about mine, and
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  Speaker 2: then you tell me about yours.
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  Speaker 3: This is what the people want.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is This is the most entertaining comment.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you can imagine. So, yeah, well, they did
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  Speaker 2: some roofwork on my roof before I moved in, and
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  Speaker 2: they left the grate over the dryer. I have a
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  Speaker 2: third floor roof, so I can't really necessarily get up
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  Speaker 2: there to look at that's I had to hire someone
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  Speaker 2: to get up there because it's row home and it's
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  Speaker 2: just not good access if you don't have a cherry
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  Speaker 2: picker of a ladder. And so yeah, he pulled that
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  Speaker 2: out and all of a sudden, my clothes are drying faster.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: And he cleaned out my gutters. So now the water
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  Speaker 2: is actually running down the gutters. And I realized this
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  Speaker 2: must be the most boring content in the world. But
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  Speaker 2: it's very exciting for me because I live in my
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  Speaker 2: house and this the water. Oh my god. So the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing is the water's been skipping the gutter because
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  Speaker 2: it's so it had a grade over it, and the
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  Speaker 2: grate was clogged, and so the water would come down
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  Speaker 2: to the v and shoot out and fall's story onto
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  Speaker 2: the metal drain gutter drain right, whatever that thing's called,
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  Speaker 2: and it would hit it, and it sounded like someone
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  Speaker 2: beating on the metal gutter with like just a set
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  Speaker 2: of you know, drum hammers. What are those things?
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  Speaker 3: Drumsticks?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Drum sticks? Thank you my brain, I wow, I am
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: struggling with words today. This might be an interesting podcast.
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  Speaker 2: And it sounds like someone's beating on it with drumsticks
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  Speaker 2: all night, you know. And so finally they rained this morning.
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  Speaker 2: No sound. Oh yeah, and that was right outside my
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  Speaker 2: bedroom window. I'm going to sleep so much better. Like
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  Speaker 2: it's such a small thing, but it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: such a huge quality of life improvement.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's an amazing thing to not have to
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  Speaker 3: live with when you didn't realize how stressful it was. Well,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: mallets are a thing you can't have on drums, but
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  Speaker 3: generally they are called.
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  Speaker 2: Sticks sticks, drum sticks.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Well, my my big exciting homeowner improvement over
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  Speaker 3: the weekend or over the holiday break was our well,
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  Speaker 3: just our well pump gave out and so we had
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  Speaker 3: to have weekend people come out and replace the well pump,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: and Seth already knows the answer, but I want you
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  Speaker 3: out in the audience to all just make a little
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  Speaker 3: bet with yourself. When was that well pump installed? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta guess, you got you gotta guess in your mind. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: hold that number.
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  Speaker 4: Nineteen seventy nine, Oh, doctor pants, you guessed the year
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  Speaker 4: that I guess When Brandon asked me this question, that
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  Speaker 4: well pump was almost certainly older than me, my husband,
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  Speaker 4: and the two people who were installing its replacement.
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  Speaker 3: Like, almost certainly it was the first well pump that
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  Speaker 3: was put into that well when it was dug. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: real old. It was the part of the attachment crumbled
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  Speaker 3: when they tried to pull it out. So we've made
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  Speaker 3: a very big improvement to the value of our property
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  Speaker 3: now by installing a pump from this millennium.
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  Speaker 2: That's less than fifty years old.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's like that. Yeah it was forty six. No, anyway,
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  Speaker 3: it's old. It was very old, needed to be replaced
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  Speaker 3: a long time ago, probably, but it had been continuing
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  Speaker 3: to work forty six years.
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  Speaker 2: Ye.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, we've replaced that. So that's a nice investment
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  Speaker 3: in the value of the property and came out to
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  Speaker 3: be a lot cheaper than we thought it would be
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  Speaker 3: for an emergency repair on the weekend, which is pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Still never cheap, no, no, And we're deeply, deeply privileged
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  Speaker 3: to be able to say, oh cool, we're going to
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  Speaker 3: spend less of our savings on it than we thought
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: we would. Great. You know we have that kind of savings,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: which is definitely you know, this could have been a
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  Speaker 3: catastrophic failure but for the fact that we have resources
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  Speaker 3: to absorb multiple thousands of dollars worth of cost at
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  Speaker 3: random on a weekend.
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  Speaker 2: I'm waiting for the roof cock clean to bill me.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: I haven't paid him yet. This was yesterday. I was like, sure,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: I gave him my email and we've been emailing.
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  Speaker 3: Surely he would like to get paid for his labor.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: That would make sense, I know.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, send me a bill so I can pay you,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: like I needed invoice. I think what I think what
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: he's also doing. I think he wants to quote up
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: some more work. He wants to replace some of the
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: like vents on the roof because they're cracked a little bit.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: So I think he might be writing up a proposal
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: to send as well along with the bill. So, but
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be that guy who's like, I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: don't I'm going to come back in three months to
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: be like, why didn't you ever pay me? I'm like,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: why didn't you ever bill me?
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, money's fun, Money's fun. So now we've got ten
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  Speaker 3: minutes of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, speaking of money, Matt is gambling.
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