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What's wrong with feminist foreign aid? | HBR Talk 343 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three forty three. What's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with a little feminist foreign aid? Ope, just with
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  Speaker 1: feminist foreign aid? Right, what's wrong with that? I got
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  Speaker 1: asked that question. So the title of the show is
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  Speaker 1: because we've been getting some pushback for objecting to feminist
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  Speaker 1: foreign programs being funded by the US government at the
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  Speaker 1: expense of US taxpayers. And the first pushback we had
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  Speaker 1: was where's the feminism? And of course the first set
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  Speaker 1: of things that we looked at the search directly used
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  Speaker 1: the term feminism, So the policies all had or feminist,
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  Speaker 1: So the policies all had feminist in the title, right.
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  Speaker 1: The second search I did was gender and there's a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of gender based this and gender base that.
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  Speaker 2: So one of the.
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  Speaker 1: Things we explained on the last is that when you
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  Speaker 1: see gender based in a policy, it's not that they
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  Speaker 1: look at it through the lens of here's how women
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  Speaker 1: are affected versus here's how men are affected, and here's
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  Speaker 1: what their special needs are in each case. Feminists will
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  Speaker 1: like you to believe that, but usually the real process
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  Speaker 1: they're doing is eliminating the consideration of here's how men
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  Speaker 1: are affected. On the idea that women are most affected,
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  Speaker 1: or that the effect on women is more important in
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  Speaker 1: some way, and therefore we can throw men under the
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  Speaker 1: bus to solve the problems that women are facing or
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  Speaker 1: that feminists say women are facing. And an example of
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  Speaker 1: that is the term gender based violence. Right, we know
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  Speaker 1: from statistics that have been gathered through large, large studies.
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  Speaker 1: One study actually had eighteen thousand couples at or eighteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand relationships, looked at eleven thousand couples eighteen thousand relationships,
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  Speaker 1: and this study found that in terms of one way
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence, it's seventy percent of it was female perpetrated,
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  Speaker 1: and in terms of two way domestic violence, that was
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  Speaker 1: associated with more frequent perpetration by women than by men.
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  Speaker 1: And the significance of the word frequent means that the
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  Speaker 1: perpetration is happening more often with women than it is
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  Speaker 1: with men, which means that sometimes that perpetration in those
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  Speaker 1: two way domestic violence relationships is female only, whereas the
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  Speaker 1: term one way domestic violence refers to relationships where all
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  Speaker 1: of the instances are one way, not just sometimes. And
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  Speaker 1: yet they call it gender based violence and refer to
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  Speaker 1: it as a patriarchal sort of conspiracy. They don't use
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  Speaker 1: the word conspiracy, but a pattern of patriarchal practices I
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  Speaker 1: guess you could say intended to keep women down, and
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  Speaker 1: that the men use domestic violence as a means of
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  Speaker 1: dominating controlling women, even though the majority of it, based
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  Speaker 1: on these statistics is female perpetrated or female initiated, right,
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  Speaker 1: So gender based in that instance is clearly used to
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  Speaker 1: eclipse the causes of this problem that trace back to
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  Speaker 1: female behavior, blame men and deny men the same treatment
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  Speaker 1: when they are victims. So you really do have to
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  Speaker 1: understand how feminists do things and what they're what their
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  Speaker 1: game is, right in order to to get why there
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  Speaker 1: is a problem with funding in funding feminist activism around
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  Speaker 1: the world, funding feminist initiatives, and having a feminist outlet
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  Speaker 1: or a feminist organization be the arm of the government.
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  Speaker 1: It's already scary when somebody shows up and says I'm
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  Speaker 1: from the government and I'm here to help, right that
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  Speaker 1: that shouldn't be the scariest words you hear, but it
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  Speaker 1: often is, especially if it comes from you know, the
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  Speaker 1: I R S or Child Protector Services. If you're a
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  Speaker 1: farmer and it's the e p A that shows up,
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  Speaker 1: right if you have or rancher and the EPA shows up,
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  Speaker 1: because because they're probably going to find some obscure bug
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  Speaker 1: on your property and then tell you that you can't
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  Speaker 1: use your land. So it's it's definitely a scary set
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  Speaker 1: of words to begin with.
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  Speaker 3: But that you have to kill all your chickens.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or that you have to kill all your chickens,
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  Speaker 1: or or when the agent that shows up shows up
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  Speaker 1: in the name of feminism though, that's that's where it
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  Speaker 1: gets weird, right, So this image there's a there's there's
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  Speaker 1: a purpose for this image, and we'll get into this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start getting into the the things that
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  Speaker 1: I looked up. We are still on on USA spending.
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  Speaker 1: We are still looking at the variety of ways that
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  Speaker 1: the US government is funding feminist activities in other countries
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  Speaker 1: that on the surface, there's a lot of things that
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  Speaker 1: look good if you are uninformed, but then when you
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  Speaker 1: start digging a little deeper, you find programs that are
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  Speaker 1: a little bit scary. So today we're going to look
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  Speaker 1: at something called Engender Health Incorporated, right, known by eight
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  Speaker 1: other names because they always do this. So it's got
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  Speaker 1: all these in the funding system it's got all these
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  Speaker 1: let's see, engender Health Incorporated is several of them, just
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  Speaker 1: in gender Health, engender Health, slash, Acquire, engender Health International,
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  Speaker 1: like those are the different names that it has used
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  Speaker 1: over the years.
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  Speaker 2: In this system.
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  Speaker 1: And there's been different types of funding that it has
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  Speaker 1: received over the years in this system, to the tune
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  Speaker 1: of fourteen transactions totally thirty six point six million. So
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  Speaker 1: I thought that that was pretty interesting and this was
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  Speaker 1: pretty significant, so we started looking into these transactions.
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  Speaker 4: It's much like people are already trying to redefine DEI
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  Speaker 4: as a bunch of other three letter agencies, like d
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  Speaker 4: I B is one of them. I forget what it
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  Speaker 4: even sounds for. Yea, But yeah, when when when you
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  Speaker 4: try and defeat uh belonging belonging, Yeah, they'll they'll they'll
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  Speaker 4: try to replace it with a different three letter agency
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  Speaker 4: and be like, no, this has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 4: that thing, and they're going to keep doing that. If
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  Speaker 4: we ever do defeat feminism, folks, don't rest on your laurels.
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  Speaker 4: Don't like we have defeated feminism, because they'll just they'll
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  Speaker 4: just redefine it as something else. This isn't feminism anymore.
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  Speaker 4: But this is gender equity. I guess they already did that.
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  Speaker 4: This is I guess they've already done that a bunch
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  Speaker 4: of fucking times, because this is this is, this is
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  Speaker 4: how this religion works. They just redefine themselves the whole
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  Speaker 4: bunch of other things, as though we won't notice. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: this is why I black folks, because whenever you white
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  Speaker 4: pill over the idea that you've defeated this, this cult
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  Speaker 4: of Cthulhu, they'll just recreate the same cult as of
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  Speaker 4: Cthulha with a different name. And this is why you
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  Speaker 4: can never white pill, because because Cthulha will will always
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  Speaker 4: redefine itself and so determined it is to kill you all,
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  Speaker 4: and they will kill you all because they do it
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  Speaker 4: with language. They they do it by controlling your language
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  Speaker 4: and then redefining their own language. And that's how they
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  Speaker 4: got this far, because because they're able to to manipulate
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  Speaker 4: the way you see things, the way you hear things,
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  Speaker 4: the way you understand things. And and they'll keep getting
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  Speaker 4: away with it until people are educated enough to be
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  Speaker 4: able to figure out that that that it is even
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  Speaker 4: possible to control people using language. Because they don't, they don't,
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  Speaker 4: they don't realize that. I think, well, I I I
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  Speaker 4: I have I have the the language in question. And
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  Speaker 4: as long as I've been told what I need to
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  Speaker 4: call things, I know what everything is. No, you don't.
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  Speaker 4: It's that's that's what's so complicated. This is why it's
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  Speaker 4: so difficult to get it through, not just to half wits,
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  Speaker 4: but to midwits, because halfwits and midwits both have the
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  Speaker 4: same problem. Well, if this is called this thing, then
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  Speaker 4: that's what this thing is, and the so so, So
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  Speaker 4: you can't argue with me because this is what this
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  Speaker 4: thing is called, and it's so it's you. It's so
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  Speaker 4: difficult to get through to people who can't think beyond
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  Speaker 4: the scope of well, this thing is called this thing,
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  Speaker 4: therefore this thing is what it is, and it's it's
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  Speaker 4: always going to be an uphill battle, and so on
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  Speaker 4: and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's there's a couple of other things that
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  Speaker 1: happen with feminism. So they'll take an initiative that benevolent
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  Speaker 1: or helpful, and they'll add something to it that is
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  Speaker 1: that is neither of those things. Let me see, if
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  Speaker 1: I think I've got a couple of stuff, actually a
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  Speaker 1: couple of items that I didn't open before the show
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  Speaker 1: that that show this and this is this is again.
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  Speaker 1: These are all USA spending initiatives here, so let me
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  Speaker 1: see if this is opening.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 1: There's one.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when.
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  Speaker 1: I copy pasted these, it copy pasted the same one
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  Speaker 1: twice instead of giving me the both of them. That's
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  Speaker 1: so annoying. I wonder why it does that. But this
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  Speaker 1: one is enough, I think for you see what this
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  Speaker 1: is a frequent problem that I run into.
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  Speaker 2: And this is uh.
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  Speaker 1: Wits Health Consortium got thirty three point one million. And
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  Speaker 1: you look at the purpose and this is in Africa.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, school based HIV.
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  Speaker 1: And gender based violence prevention. Right, so you know that
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  Speaker 1: teenagers screw around if they get the opportunity, especially if
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  Speaker 1: you put them in circumstances where they're unsupervised by adults.
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  Speaker 1: And so if kids are running around on their own,
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  Speaker 1: going back and forth to school and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: there gets to be a higher risk just because they're.
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  Speaker 2: On their own.
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  Speaker 1: They're not with their parents necessarily, and they're not with
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  Speaker 1: their teachers the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: Either.
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  Speaker 1: It's fair to have something like an HIV prevention program
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  Speaker 1: that is charitable funded, not necessarily one that is funded
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  Speaker 1: by taxpayer dollars without asking the taxpayers to at least
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  Speaker 1: approve the idea.
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  Speaker 2: But that would be a noble goal.
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  Speaker 1: But then they throw in also gender based violence prevention,
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  Speaker 1: which the label tells you treats the subject as a
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  Speaker 1: patriarchal form of oppression against women in that area. So
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  Speaker 1: they're exporting the feminist deluthe model into African schools along
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  Speaker 1: with this program that you sort of shoehorn that in
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  Speaker 1: with the noble cause of programs designed to prevent HIV.
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  Speaker 1: And of course we also know that in Africa, feminists
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  Speaker 1: are promoting the idea that cutting some of the skin
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  Speaker 1: off of your dick protects you from infection. Is putting
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  Speaker 1: a hole in the biggest organ in your immune system
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  Speaker 1: helps your immune system. Totally very great idea. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: so we look at this at first, you know, you think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to get rid of this.
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  Speaker 2: There's there's other.
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  Speaker 1: Programs like that that they've done this with, where it's
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  Speaker 1: pediatric aids, uh treatment and stuff like that they had
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  Speaker 1: they'll have the same thing. Oh yeah, we're gonna we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna assist children in foreign countries.
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  Speaker 2: That have been infected with with HIV.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not going to address the pedophilia problem in
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  Speaker 1: this country where we're going to just circumcise the children.
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  Speaker 1: And and it's it's that we can harvest skin and
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  Speaker 1: sell it if we give it this nice label thing
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  Speaker 1: that feminism does. That that makes it nefarious. It's not
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  Speaker 1: nefarious to try to help people in horrible situations, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's nefarious to pretend to try to help people in
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  Speaker 1: horrible situations so that you can exploit them for something
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  Speaker 1: that you can sell, whether it's their skin or that
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  Speaker 1: these ideas that actually hinder the ability to prevent the
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  Speaker 1: problem that you've said you've gone there to solve. So
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  Speaker 1: so in gender health, when I looked at this, when
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  Speaker 1: I started looking into this, like the top few things
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  Speaker 1: here were those benevolent type of programs, Like one of
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  Speaker 1: them was providing women with reproductive health in countries where
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  Speaker 1: it's it's rare, it's not available. But they didn't have
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  Speaker 1: a similar problem program for men. So the gendered and
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  Speaker 1: engendered is we only do this for women, we don't
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  Speaker 1: do this for men. Right, And of course when they
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  Speaker 1: do a large part of what they do isn't necessarily
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  Speaker 1: benevolent to men. So while this organization does some noble
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  Speaker 1: and benevolent things like treating women who have been severely
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  Speaker 1: harmed by circumcision practices in other countries, they're promoting those
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  Speaker 1: types of circumcision practices against boys. And they're also they're
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  Speaker 1: also promoting some other interesting things. So when I started
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  Speaker 1: looking farther down right, one of the things that was funded,
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  Speaker 1: and this wasn't a small, tiny little grant, It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: the biggest one. We see if I can find the
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  Speaker 1: award amount on here, And the weird thing is they
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  Speaker 1: put in minus in front of it, but it's the
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  Speaker 1: agency didn't pay that money back. So we're talking three
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  Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two four hundred and twenty eight dollars
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  Speaker 1: for a new leader with associate cooperative agreement, meaning they
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  Speaker 1: hired somebody for the RESPOND program. And it doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: say anything else about it, right, And I looked into
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  Speaker 1: it in the Location of Practices in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm like, what the fuck is the RESPOND program?
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  Speaker 1: And the second thing that I looked here looked up
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  Speaker 1: that mentioned it responding to the needs for family planning
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  Speaker 1: through expanded contraceptive choices and program serve. They obviously didn't
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  Speaker 1: finish typing it in or posting it, but its service.
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  Speaker 1: And again, you know, we're looking at quite a bit here.
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  Speaker 1: This is a million, six hundred and sixty thousand, seven
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  Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen dollars.
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  Speaker 2: So like, what is this RESPOND program? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I googled it and I didn't find RESPOND program.
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  Speaker 2: I found Respond.
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  Speaker 1: Project, and the initial page that I went to for
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  Speaker 1: that on this website didn't actually say anything. It just
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  Speaker 1: gave me the ability to sign up to receive notifications
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  Speaker 1: about what they were doing, which I did, but I
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  Speaker 1: had to search on their site to get to articles
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  Speaker 1: about it. This one's older, so this this isn't a
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  Speaker 1: new thing. They've been doing this for quite some time.
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  Speaker 1: It's existed for years. This article is from twenty thirteen
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  Speaker 1: Engendered Health's RESPOND Project leads effort to measure family planning
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  Speaker 1: progress and Gender Health's Respond Project blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: So it's posted.
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  Speaker 1: Twice and it has this article explaining what they what
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  Speaker 1: they're doing right, And here's where you learn it's been
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  Speaker 1: going on since two thousand, where they've been doing researching
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  Speaker 1: foreign countries on on family planning and they have articles
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  Speaker 1: here new developments and the calculation and use of a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years of protection, which basically the idea is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, all right, you study a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: of this use of family planning.
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  Speaker 2: Was the result?
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  Speaker 1: Did anybody get pregnant? Did anybody not get pregnant? And
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't on this page, but there's here's where you
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  Speaker 1: know you sign up, you subscribe, So I just subscribe.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see if I get anything from them. But then
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  Speaker 1: I also found this page on the research findings, and
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  Speaker 1: of course we get into gender based violence. Related research
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  Speaker 1: efforts related to gender have included multiple studies and evaluations
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  Speaker 1: focused on assessing the effectiveness of programs designed to prevent
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  Speaker 1: gender based violence in HIV and AIDS, as well as
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  Speaker 1: promoting male involvement in GBV and HIV services and sr HR,
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  Speaker 1: which I believe is sexual reproductive health responses, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember if that's what the last R is, but
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  Speaker 1: sr H is sexual and reproductive health more broadly. In
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  Speaker 1: addition to many operational research studies, we have implemented several
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  Speaker 1: outcome evaluations related to our award winning Men as Partners approach. Right,
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  Speaker 1: So that was the first thing I noticed. The second
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  Speaker 1: thing I noticed was way down here at the bottom,
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  Speaker 1: down but not out. Vas Ectomy is faring poorly almost everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: We can do better to make it a.
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  Speaker 2: True method option.
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  Speaker 1: This is from twenty twenty three, right, and there's no
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  Speaker 1: link for this one. There's there's so I thought, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna search it, but there's probably I'm not gonna
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  Speaker 1: find it because obviously there's there's no link to it.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably behind a paywall. That's why they didn't link
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  Speaker 1: to it. Right, No, that is that is not right,
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  Speaker 1: So let me find it.
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  Speaker 2: There we go.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually on the inn a NIH National Institutes for
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  Speaker 1: Health website and I had to scroll out of it
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  Speaker 1: to find out. But it's in this article. We seek
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  Speaker 1: to deepen the international FP communities that that's birth control,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't remember the way family planning if family
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  Speaker 1: planning communities focus on vas ectomy, underscoring its tenuous situation.
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  Speaker 1: We highlight trends in vas ectomy by comparing current vas
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  Speaker 1: ectomy prevalence levels to those of approximately a decade earlier
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  Speaker 1: in ninety five countries, and eighty four of them low
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  Speaker 1: to middle income countries. So let's translate that. We want
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  Speaker 1: to know why we're having so much trouble sterilizing people
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  Speaker 1: in low income countries, specifically ment and and just just
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  Speaker 1: to make it clear, we're we're going to go back
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  Speaker 1: up here to the top. Their findings and their their
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  Speaker 1: statement at the beginning. Contraceptive we're use worldwide increased in
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  Speaker 1: the past twenty years, but the number of vass sectomy
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  Speaker 1: users fell by twenty seven million, a sixty one percent decline.
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  Speaker 1: So they talk about vas ectomy. They recognize that, let's
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  Speaker 1: see if I can find it here. They had a
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  Speaker 1: statement in here that it's permanent and should only be
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  Speaker 1: used by individuals who don't ever want to have kids,
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  Speaker 1: So they recognized that it was not something for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: There we go vas sectomy use. Let's see, yeah, here
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  Speaker 1: it is vas ectomy and tubectomy are suitable only for
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  Speaker 1: people intending to limit further births. Right. They know that
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  Speaker 1: you shouldn't get a vas ectomy if you want to
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  Speaker 1: have children later on because it is permanent reversing. It
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  Speaker 1: is not guaranteed. People talk about it like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: reversible sometimes and every time they try it it's a maybe,
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  Speaker 1: not a guarantee.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So their conclusions here is that it's surprisingly low globally
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  Speaker 1: and declining that use remains negligible. That their assumption is.
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  Speaker 2: That it's not available, right, that.
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  Speaker 1: What they want is to harness mass and social media
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  Speaker 1: to increase accurate knowledge and normalize vasectomy as a method
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  Speaker 1: and service in order to increase the demand. So they're
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  Speaker 1: actively promoting sterilization of people, permanent sterilization, and of men,
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  Speaker 1: specifically in third world countries.
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  Speaker 4: This is always what they resort to. Like I, as
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  Speaker 4: I was saying on Tuesdays, we fix the world's problems
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  Speaker 4: by restricting men's ability to do anything, and people are
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: trying to fix world overpopulation by restricting men's ability to
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: reproduce all over the world, including Asia and Africa, and
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: including Europe and North America, because even though the population
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: is declining in those areas, particularly Europe, particularly in my
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: own country, this might be also why extreme measures have
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: been taken to reduce the population in those countries. But
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: as long as you're not restricting women's drive or desire
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: to reproduce, this isn't going to mean shit. And I'm
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: not saying you should sterilize women, But as long as
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: you're only focusing on the men, I mean, for almost
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: all of human history. And when I say almost all
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: of human history, I mean the entire history of humanity
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: going right back to the Stone Age and applies to
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: scene and all these things. Even back in those Stone
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Age days, eighty percent of women were reproducing and only
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: forty percent of men were reproducing or whatever it is.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: As much as we are a pair mating species, certainly
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: compared with other great apes, we do have this. We
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: have this unique ability for men and women to pair
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: up rather than do this tournament mating thing where where
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: one male has the biggest, strongest male in the tribe
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: has has has the majority of the women at his disposal.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Like humans are one of the only great species that's
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: been able to be like No, let's let's go beyond that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, not intellectually, but evolutionarily. They've been able to
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: do this. And people think they're going to fix this
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: by curtailing men's ability to reproduce. But I mean, by
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: any measure, a species ability to reproduce is bottlenecked by
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: women's desire to re produce. You really, you really could
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: reduce the male population to ten percent of everything and
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: it wouldn't curtail population growth at all. I mean we
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: see this sort of thing in the Middle East and
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: and its neighbors where where they have this polygonal approach
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: to reproduction, and that's you know, it's not it's it's not,
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: it's not going to help, even if you even if
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: you believe that overpopulation is a problem, which to some
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: extent it is in in in a lot of Asian
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: countries and a lot of African countries, even though they're
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: still pushing it in European countries where it's not a problem.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's it's not going to work, as
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: you could reduce the male population to ten percent as
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: long as women are still have this desire to fuck
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: a thousand men in twelve hours, if you see what
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, and they very much do have this. It's
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: emerged quite recently, like women do, in fact have the
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: desire to fuck as many men as possible. It's it's
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: only thanks to the traditions that we have developed intellectually
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: over the years that women shouldn't do that, that we've
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: been able to develop the population, not in terms of
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: quantity but quality, Like producing as many offspring as possible
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: is not necessarily the way to develop a species that
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: that maximizes resource seeking possibilities.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Well, for one thing, it creates in breeding that too.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Yes, that's that's an inherent danger of polygyny, which which
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: is a polygamy where we're in every man, well, the
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: breeding population of men has multiple women at their disposal.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: The idea that every woman has multiple men at the
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: reproductive disposal has never worked out for any species as
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: far as anyone knows. It's kind of the opposite of
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: what works. I mean poly Uh, Andrew, I think that's
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: that's that's the that's the opposite of that. It only
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: exists in recent memory, and there's there's not much uh,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: historical accounting of how much that works because presumably because
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: whenever it's attempted, it results in the complete destruction of
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: a society. And yeah, it's yeah, I think pair bonding
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: is the only is the only way that this can
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: possibly work. Pair bonding is what is what made us
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: an ape species that took over the world because with
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: the only epe species that was able to discover pair
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: bonding evolutionarily as well as as well as culturally. So yeah,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: if you if you if you want to save the species,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: whether you want to save it by reproducing a lot,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: or you want to save it by reproducing less. The
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: answer is pair bonding, because that's what got us this far,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: the pursuit of pair bonding, the idea of one woman
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: and one man staying together for as long as they
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: can and reproducing as much as they can, or just
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: not reproducing, like either of those options are possible when
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: when pair bonding is a thing. And yeah, as long
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: as we're yeah, preaching, preaching to the choir, I know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: But as as long as we're as long as we're
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: restricting men's options and and expanding women's options, it's it's
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: not going to work either way. It's uh, it's extinction,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: it's cthulhu, it's what's gonna happen.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're ending up in a situation where we
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: are encouraging more and more unhealthy sexual practices, and as
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: a result, we end up with more and more unhealthy
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: family situations and more and more unhealthy genetic situations. And
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the result of sterilizing large swatches of men in third
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: world countries is more than one thing. Right, So here's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: here's where we get to put on our tinfoil hats.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I I've talked about this a little bit before.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: But in.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: All over the world, really in every country, there's always
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: been that phenomenon that right now is labeled in cells
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: involuntarily celibate men. And as as you know, I've had
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: conversations within cells about their circumstances and like the circumstances
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: of women who claim to be in cells, and honestly,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: with women, it's it's pretty much voluntary in that they're
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: just refusing to settle, right. But but the fact is,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: this is not a new phenomenon. There have always been
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: within human cultures. There have always been a number of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: men whose prospects for finding a partner and making a
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: family are are slim to none, and slim just left town.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And it's just been a thing, right. The history of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: government involvement within cells has been one of exploitation. They
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: are the first people who get drafted. They are the
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: first people who get conscripted right in wartime. They're the
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: first people who get thrown under the bus and a disaster.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: They're the first.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: People who get sent out to deal with whatever big
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: scary thing that might kill everybody. If somebody doesn't deal
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: with it, has to be handled. Because they're considered the
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: most disposable because they're not going to reproduce. And we
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: see that happening today in the world in various nations
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: where the United States has manipulated national issues into civil
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: wars and wars between countries and so on, or is
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: trying to start war with the nation or whatever. And
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: of course there's the hope that the current administration is
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: going to put the cabagh to all that, at least
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: for now, but that's been a pattern for centuries, and
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: it hasn't just been a US pattern. It's been every place.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: So it's not a thing that you're gonna get rid.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Of by, you know, thinking that we have a new
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: administration and everything's all better now. There will always be
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: conflicts between nations, there will always be conflicts between political factions,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and there will always be circumstances that the human race
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: decides that men need to be thrown at this problem
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: and if they die, well, at least their sacrifice saved
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the greater population, so it was for the greater good.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And obviously that's not always the truth, and it's not always,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you know, an effective way of dealing with things, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it's not the best way of dealing with things. But
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the sterilization, the conn the coerced, or or the forced
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: in some cases sterilization of men in third world countries.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: There is a facilitation of this exploitation. These men now
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: have no reason to be preserved by their communities. They
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: can't reproduce, they can't be dedicated to a home and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a family. So you know, if they haven't.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Already had kids before.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Being sterilized, well, you know, time to chuck them into
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the meat grinder. And that's basically what I'm seeing here
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: is this is a feminist run organization, or at least
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: a feminist influenced organization. It looks like to me a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: feminist run organization, though that hiding behind some important work
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: like repairing damage done by female circumcision in Third world countries.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Hiding behind that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Is this treatment of men as a disposable, potential cannon
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: fodder and as the problem. Right, So that's one of
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the reasons why I am I'm looking at this like obviously,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the first thing is men should not be conned into
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: doing this. A guy should really be sure what he
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: wants before he makes that decision. And this organization appears
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: to have done absolutely nothing for a less irreversible actually
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: much more reversible means of long term male birth control.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: In India, it's being used. It's called risug in India.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: It's about to become available in the United States next year.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It'll be sold under Plan A. It's it's medical name
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: is vassal Gel. The Parsonus Foundation has been working on
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it for years and it is a polymer compound, that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: is it's it's injected into the vast deference and what
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: it does is basically shred the semen on the way out,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: so the little swimmers cannot make babies, like you don't
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: keep them in your body like with a vast ectomy.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And there are reasons why that can be a problem.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Let's see, that's what I already showed, right. It doesn't
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: cause these problems.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: It doesn't cause.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: The possibility of blood clots, bleeding or blood clots because
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you're not cutting, you're just injecting. Doesn't cause blood in semen, bruising, infection.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: You may have like with an injection, you're gonna have
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: some pain or discomfort obviously in the moment, but you
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: don't have this retention of semen that can lead to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: other complications, chronic pain, fluid build up, granuloma, which you
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: get these little cysts from like sperm finding their way into.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Places and.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Your body reacting sort of like by like a like
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a oyster would react to a grain of sand like
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: or a fluid sac causing swelling in the scrotum. And
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: of course, now the one thing that it doesn't do,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: just like vasectomy, it doesn't protect from STIs so in
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: comparison to vasectomy, these are no these risks are.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Not as high, not likely. And then you also have.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: The fact that it's you can reverse it, and you
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: can after ten years you would have to get it
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: done again, but you could just let it reverse itself
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: if you want to. So an eighteen year old considering
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: attending university and starting a career and everything, who maybe
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't want to father children for six or seven years,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: could get this done. And then when he's ready to say, okay, now,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: now my wife and I are ready to have children,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and they're both in agreement and they want to start
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: their family, then they can go in and have the
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: second injection that reverses it, and within a few months
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: they're they're ready.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: To create a baby.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: And it creates a situation where the man has total
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: control over his reproductive outcomes. This is something that women
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: can't sabotage, right, if you're relying on condoms. There have
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: been multiple stories come out where women have used semen
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: from inside a condom to insiminate themselves and it somehow worked,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: and uh, and then the man o child support or
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: he was forced to get married, you know. And then
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: and the idea of you know, doing something to the
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: to the semen inside the condom, that's an important thing
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to consider, right, destroy it with alcohol or bleach or
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: something like that. But you don't have to do that
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: if what's coming out isn't capable of fertilizing an egg.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: So so that's the first thing I noticed was this,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: this program on family planning is not only unnecessarily sterilizing men,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: but and guys, stop suggesting the hot sauce thing. Hot
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: hot sauce does not kill sperm no, right, and.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Getting it can? It can negative negatively effect any woman
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: who tries to sperm jack. Yeah, so with a funny story.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: They end up with a funny story and eighteen years
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: of child support.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So like, don't do.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: That, and I's not and if not, I mean it
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: would not surprise me if some judge would take that
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: as uh, you know, some kind of abuse or or
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: you know, mactual assault, if something.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Like there's actually a really simple, a simple way to
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: just rinse it out.
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we we're we're coming up with all these
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: elaborate ways of stopping women from sperm jacking men, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: we we could bypass all of this ship by just
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: giving men a safe and reliable birth control method. The
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: only reason any of this ship even exists, even in theory,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: even if it is in theory, is to give men
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: a reliable, unilateral form of birth control. It hasn't it
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: hasn't existed for the entirety of human history. It's it's
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: been held back for decades now, and it will be
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: continued to be held back because we left a bunch
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: of fucking feminists in charge of our government. And indeed,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: are scientific institutions you can even call them back.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: So so that's that's the first thing it that I
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: got out of this was the there there it is
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: was the family planning thing, and and the fact that
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: their idea of family planning is essentially sterilizing men in
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: third world countries permanently. So it's you're not exactly planning
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: a family, if you make it so that you cannot reproduce.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Second thing, let's go to.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Back to.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: It has it has to be said, there's a certain
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: stereotype that men want to sire as many children as possible,
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: as as we covered with Elon Musk and as you
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: said class story this last Tuesday, and and and uh
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: this this aligns with this stereotype that that that men
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: don't really care if they sire as many children as possible.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: They can just run away. It's not like the government's
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: go to come after them and make them pay for
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: eighteen years now, a lot of men, like most men,
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: want to have sex, like with as many women as possible.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: It's it's it's unfortunate, but it's sort of evolutionarily driven.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: But it most of those men, if they had the
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: option of shagging as many women as possible without causing
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: any pregnancies, Hell yes, they would take that option. I
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: you know, it's especially young men, but any any any men,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: any given man, if you gave them the option of
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: if you can shag all the women in the world
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: and impregnate none of them, the vast majority of them
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: will be like, oh hell yes, please for the love
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: of God, let me do that. I love women. I
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: want to shag all the women in the world, but
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: I don't want to sire any children, especially because the
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: government will make me pay for them if I do. So.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: If you give them that option, if you give them
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: that option, they'll be like, hell, yes, But we don't
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: have that option. None of us have that option. So
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: we're just led to we we're still we're still held
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: back by by by these desires because it's we can't
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: do it without responsibilities resulting from it. Women have that
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: they can shag all the men they want without the consequences. Yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: ninety nine percent. They could always find some kind of
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: birth control. They can give them a ninety nine percent
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: chance of not having to raise the children because of it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: And that's why women are shagging thousand men in twelve days. Theoretically,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I still choose to believe that's not happening. But yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: if men have had that option, then then then they
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: would they could indulge their desire to hypergamously shag all
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: the women in the world and they and they wouldn't
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: have to bear the responsibility children, or it's not even
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: the responsibility of it. If men had what women have,
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: you know, the option of shagging one thousand people in
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: twelve hours and not have to pay for anything for
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: any spawn that drops out of it as a result.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Then they would do it, and believe it or not,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: that might make the world a better place. You can't
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: convince men not to shag as many women as they can,
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: that's sort of an evolutionary thing. But you can give
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: them the option of being able to do that without
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: the consequences of having to pay for children. And that
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: might sound degenerate to you, but this is an option
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: that women have had for decades now, the ability to
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: shag as many men as possible and only bear the
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: children of the most genetically desirable ones. And that seems
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: to have been what has caused a great deal of
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: our problems over the years. And it would just be
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: nice if men had that same reproductive freedom that women
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: have enjoyed for all these decades. You know.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: The biggest thing is the imbalance has been that if
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a man conceives a child with a woman without her consent,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to conceive a child in a lot of countries, that's
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: a crime, and without her consent implies that she expected
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: him to use some kind of birth control and communicated
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: that expectation, and he claimed he was and then didn't
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: you know, basically stealthing and things like that. A lot
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: of countries, it's illegal for a man to remove a
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: condom during sex, or to refuse to wear condom and
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: still have sex, even if the woman consents the sex
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: after he has said no, I won't wear condom and
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: she goes, all, all right, we'll do it anyway. Rights.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: That's considered rape in some countries, but in no country
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: is it considered rape for a woman to say, oh, yes,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I am on the pill, I will not get pregnant,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and then it turns out to be a lie m right.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Or she's on the pill, but she takes it at
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: seven o'clock in the morning one day, at seven o'clock
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: in the evening the next day, and maybe skips a
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: day by accident, and then takes two pills the next day,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: thinking it'll fix the problem, and so on and and behold,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: she gets pregnant because she has fucked up the pattern
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: of taking that pill and it is not consistent in
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: her system, and you know, or she's made the mistake
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: of thinking that the ones that you take during the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: week that you're allowing your period to happen, are still
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: protecting her from pregnancy? They're not, but yeah, that's not
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a crime. So giving men an ability to unilaterally prevent
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: their bodies produced cells that are part of their body
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: from being used against their will to create a pregnancy
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: that will result in a child that they are not
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: allowed to raise but have to fund, like, that's a
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: great tool from manat to be able to say, nope,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to allow that to happen, and when
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it becomes available, men should use it every man that can,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you know, And this is it's probably going to be
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: an investment.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: It's probably gonna you know.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Early adopters of all forms of technology, including medical technology,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: pay a lot more than future adopters after it becomes
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: more widespread. But it's it's definitely going to be a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: worthwhile investment. It's a lot cheaper to spend, you know,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: something like one thousand dollars upfront one time than it
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: is to pay one thousand dollars a month in child
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: support for eighteen years. Yeah. Right, So there's there's a
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: lot to talk about there, But I also want to
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: get into what else this organization is doing and like
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, these these people will hide all
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: sorts of ill intent behind good work. So again, yes,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I'm aware that they do help women acquire health services,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: and some of those health services deal with problems that
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: are particularly egregious abuses of women, and they're resolving things
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: that resulted from those abuses. I understand that. And if
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: that was all they did, we wouldn't be talking about
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: them because there would be nothing to complain about.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Right this, on the other hand.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: This is something that they've started years ago before this
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: acronym was used for a different purpose. Actually, if I
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: understand correctly, because I never heard it till I want
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: to say, the first time I heard it would have
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: been in twenty twenty thirteen or twenty fourteen. So they
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: say in Gender Health established its Men as Partners Program
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: MAP back in nineteen ninety six. I did not hear
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the term MAP used to describe pedophiles back in nineteen
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: ninety six. And what they're talking about here is domestic violence,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: and they believe again remember, they believe that domestic violence
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: is a patriarchal pattern of behavior that is used by
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: the male population to subdue and control the female populations
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: as part of its patriarchal oppression of women.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: So it's not just.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: A matter of I guess I can't eliminate that cutoff.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Dammit. It's not just a matter of.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: This happening between couples, and it's an individual problem between
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: the individuals and the couple that have dysfunctional behaviors based
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: on maybe things they've learned wrong in their life or
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: other issues that they may have mental health issues and
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: things like that, including substance abuse. No, no, it's the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: patriarchy trying to dominate and suppress and oppress women. So
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the Men Is Partners program, let me scroll this up
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: through its groundbreaking work. This program works with men to
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: play constructive roles in promoting gender equity, So there we
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: have that equity term again and health in their families
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and communities and gender healths. Do no harm framework they
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: mean to women obviously, because if they're nying men the
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: same assistance that women would get, then they're doing harm.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Recognizes that interventions which challenge existing unequal gender power distribution
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: can also run a potential risk of unintended harm and
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: backlash on projected project participants, especially women, girls and vulnerable
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: groups and project teams. We intentionally contextualize or do no
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: harm framework for all interventions, especially the ones that involve
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: male engagement to challenge and change gender power dynamics. So
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: what do they mean when they say challenge and change
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: gender power dynamics.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Give women more power because they don't have any, and
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: they just eat a little bit more.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they have this idea.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: That in a society where tradition has held that women
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: have certain roles and men have certain roles, and maybe
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: men's roles involve more labor outside the home and women's
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: roles involve more labor inside the home, that women are
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: forced into their role, but men are not forced into
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: their role right, and that men's role isn't restrictive or
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: oppressive in any way, but women's role is. So then
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: they treat it as a situation where the man who
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: is doing more labor outside the home is forcing the
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: women to stay home and do more labor inside the
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: home and raise the children and get all the kudos
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: for being the good parent. It's his fault that she
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: has to suffer those indignities. So what do they do
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: In addition to engaging with men and boys, we also
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: work with women, girls, social marginalized groups, service providers, community
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: health workers, community and religious leaders, and other stakeholders to
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: address and prevent gender based violence. So stakeholders is another
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: weasel word, right. They use the term stakeholders to imply
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: that your neighbors, your community members that are not part
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: of your household have some sort of investment in your
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: household that gives them a right to some level of
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: control over what happens in your household, how you live,
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: how you raise your children, how you and your partner
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: interact with each other, and so on. So how many
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: of you all want your neighbors telling you what TV
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: programs that you should allow your kids to watch.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Hell, no, I don't know any of my neighbors.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: What about uh, your neighbors telling you what language you
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: may or may not use in front of your children.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: And by that I mean not just cussing. Oh you
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: you can only you can't speak English in front of
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: your children. That's racist. Maybe your children have an ethnic
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: background that is not uh uh, you know, white Anglo Saxon.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: You have to speak their their historical native language in
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: front of them.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm sat here in the UK thinking, Wait, has
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: that not already happened?
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Because it's happen.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: There are neighborhoods in the US that are primarily Spanish
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: speaking neighborhoods.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: And.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: There is a tendency among illegal immigrants to want to
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: preserve that language barrier, even though it handicaps the children
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: in terms of their ability to integrate and have successful
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: economic endeavors in the country where they live. Right, Derek
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Workman says, Quebec and French yep similar similar issue. Right, Oh,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: we're losing our culture if we assimilate.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: The history of the United States is one of combined
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: cultural preservation and cultural assimilation. So, for instance, your family
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: may have a history of celebrating holidays with certain types
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: of food that go back to your family's countries of origin.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: And there may be a lot of a lot of
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: terminology that your family uses in the home and with
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: each other that again goes back to your family's country
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: of origin. But at the same time, you speak English
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: using the vernacular of the local area of America where
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: you live, or Canada where you live, or any European
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: country where it's spoken where you live, and you enjoy
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: other things about the local culture that are not part
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: of your national origin. And the nice thing about living
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: in a country like American or like America is that
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: you probably have terminology that's part of your everyday speech
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: that comes from a variety of other languages and you
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: just spin it out like it's completely natural and normal
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: and was always there. But if you went back to
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: your roots, the far back roots, those words didn't exist
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: in your language where your language came from. And in fact,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of English speaking Americans their national origin is
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: from countries that that were white countries, but the language
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: wasn't English. It was something like Gaelic or German or
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Italian French. And nobody gets upset when people whose ancestors
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: came from Germany speak English. Nobody gets upset when people
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: whose ancestors came from Ireland speak English, as long as
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: they don't sound like they came from Ireland. Too much
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: for people who speak English around them to understand anything
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: they're saying, Like some of the accents can get pretty
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: thick and nobody has any idea what they're saying. But yeah,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: nobody gets upset about that, right. People only get upset
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: when people whose ancestors came from Saudi Arabia speak English,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: or people whose ancestors came from Venezuela, speak English or
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Brazil right, or Mexico.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: So it's attempting, though it is to say the whole
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: world should speak English. I would say that because I'm English,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: I love language. I wish I could speak every language,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: because there are some sentiments that can only be expressed
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: in certain languages and they just don't translate to other languages.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: And I don't want any language to go extinct, because
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: every language is beautiful in its own way, and it
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: has its own Every language has its own way of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: expressing things with a certain beauty that is not expressible
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: in any other language. But if a country develops with
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: a certain language, then it ought to be maintained. And
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: the USA, and indeed Canada, which we'll go ahead and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: call North America for the sake of argument, the idea
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: that they have a common language is important. And I'm
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: going to get biblical now in terms in terms of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: the Tower of Babel that or is it Babbel, whatever
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: it is, that the Tower of Babel is an important
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: lesson for us to learn that diversity is not us strength,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: especially not when it comes to language. If we all
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: have a common language, then we're all able to communicate
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: with each other, which is a good thing. I mean, yeah,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: it's it's good if we can all have a reference
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: point to another language. People should learn more than one language.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: It's easy for me to say because I'm English and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: I I don't know any other and I don't need
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: to because it's the is the is the most common
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: language in the world. But just like it's important to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: have a nation where you are a geographical region in
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: which we all have common values, it's difficult to have
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: common values if you don't have a common language. And
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: this is why every nation in the world as a
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: common language, so that they can communicate with each other
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: without anything getting lost in translation. And it's so it's
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: important that other languages, other nations do have their own language.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to raise Spanish or French,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: or Arabic or or Chinese Mandarin. It's fine if you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: all have your own languages. But if a country is
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: built on one particular language, then it's in the interests
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: of that country to have that common language. Yeah, like,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: if half of you are speaking Spanish and half of
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: you speaking English, then that's obviously going to create a divide,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: a divide that's that's not necessary and is even uh
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: detrimental and sorry, but the USA is an English speaking country.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: It's it was, it was, it was, it was devised
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: as an English speaking country. The Constitution was written in English.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: And I'm not saying Mexico has to speak English. I'm
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: not saying China has to speak English, and was saying
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: anything is South America or any these other countries have
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: to speak English. But it's it's it's weird with with
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: the USA because it was always supposed to be sort
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: of a melting pot of of of various cultures and
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: various language languages.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: But.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: It English has been the established language of it for
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: a while. And if you want to communicate with each other,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: then it's important that you have a common language. Like
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: if you don't have a common language, then you don't
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: have a common culture. And if you don't have a
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: common language, then your country is going to break apart,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: like necessarily, necessarily not just because you don't speak the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: same language, but because you don't have the same reference points.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: You don't have you don't have the same you don't
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: have the same common understanding of how anything works. Everything
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: starts with language. If you don't understand each other, then
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: then you then the Tower of Babel is going to happen.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: It's it's going to get broken apart into these various things.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 4: And then and then fucking time is going to invade
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: you and make you all speak Mandarin.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: Which would very difficult to go back and forth between
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: English and Asian languages. There's no similarity in our structure
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: And this is this is happening in England itself, which
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: you would think would be the one country in the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: world where they would persist with the English language. But no,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: we're we're already being forced to put multiple languages on
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: our road signs, including fucking Arabic or Urdu or any
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: of these things. And like it's like, like I say,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: it's you can benefit from talking multiple languages because you
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: can understand those multiple references and the multiple beauties of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: multiple languages. But for the most part, we need to
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: be able to communicate with each other. If we can't,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: then we're going to get exploded apart. And at that
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: point we're susceptible to being invaded by people who do
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: have cohesion and unity. Diversity is not our strength, folks.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: I know we've heard this from every angle, but it's not.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: Diversity is an interesting hobby to have, Like speaking multiple
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: languages is an interesting hobby to have, and I'm absolutely
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: on board with it because I love language.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: But uh, and it doesn't just have to be a
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: hobby either, I mean translators. The median annual salary for
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: translators is about fifty seven thousand, which is pretty respectable.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: It the top top ten percent can can earn over
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: ninety seven thousand dollars. And it's it depends on what
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: language you learned and how in demand translators are for
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: that language, and you know so on, But I mean it.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: It's so it is about supply and demand, right, But
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: and and how good you are as well. And obviously
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: there are a lot of factors that will affect whether
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: you get hired and so on. But being able to
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: speak multiple languages creates job opening for you that other
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: people can't compete with you if they don't have that
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: same skill. Just like if you know how to fix cars,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: you have job openings in fixing cars that somebody who
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't know how to fix cars can't really do, can't
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: really take. And you also have an easier time if
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you decide that you're going to travel internationally. So one
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: thing that I noticed when I've gone to various Men's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Issues events is that people from parts of Europe where
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of countries that are are smaller countries
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: that have borders that are easier to cross between, you know,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: several small countries, they have a tendency to they have
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: a very solid grasp on like their childhood native language,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: but they also might know four or five other languages
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: well enough to converse casually in those languages without being
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: confused by things that other people say or saying things
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: that confuse other people. They'll know slang, they'll know you
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: know everything, and it's just fairly common. In fact, I
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: met one fellow when I was at ICMI in the UK,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: and I can't remember whether it was twenty sixteen or
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, but he spoke ten languages, ten Jesus, and
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, how do you know so many languages? Well,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I travel a lot, he said, I go to all
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: these different countries and these languages are languages that are
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: the most commonly spoken languages in at least some of
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: the countries that I go to, So I've learned them
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: through interaction with other people, and because I needed to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: in order to be able to to interact with other people.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: And you know, there are some areas of Europe where
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: most people speak at least two languages and often upwards
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: of four, and then there are other areas, like the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: United States is sort of a language desert in that
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: people end up isolated by language. And it's not just
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: isolated by language barriers between English and Spanish, or English
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: and French, or English and German and stuff like, it's
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: English and English, right, English that that is spoken in
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Ohio versus English that is spoken in some southern state.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: And it's not just uh.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Oil versus all versus earl, which are always to say
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: oil uh and or or the you know are not
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: knowing is wrong? Your arn machine, your iron machine, right,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: you gotta put iron in your tolls. None of that,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: None of that is as bad as when somebody comes
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: along with a bunch of jargon or slang and and
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: you don't have.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: No tongue.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you you have, you have that end
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: of it. And then you have, you know, somebody comes
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: along and gives you instructions on how to do something,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: and two thirds of the words that they're using don't
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: make any sense to you at all, or they throw
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: a bunch of acronyms at you and you have no
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: idea what they mean.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: And one of the things that I had to do.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: In my extended study in you know, trying to there's
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: a program you can you can go through with the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Department of Developmental Disabilites that you finish a set of studies.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: You get an extra a little bit in your paycheck
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: for having this expertise, and it involves watching a lot
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: of videos and taking a bunch of tests, and it's
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: all things that you know. You you learn how to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: do these things or you learn this information and it's
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: supposed to improve your ability to do your job. So
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: on this site they have it ranges from you know,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: how do you do laundry to a lot more manager
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: level type stuff, which I'm not a manager, so I
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: don't have to learn that stuff, but accidentally got into
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: that area. And one of the lessons was on jargon
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: as a barrier to communication. And you think, well, jargon
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: is it exists to describe things in a way that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: people with the same profession understand it. So, for instance,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: we talk about intimate partners sexual violence, we know what
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: that means. And if we say ipn SV, we know
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: that refers to intimate partner and sexual violence.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: And it's fairly descriptive.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: It gives you an idea immediately what that means. But
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: to a person who has no idea of these issues,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: it might sound like gobbledegook, Know what the hell is
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: animate partner in sexual violence? Right? When we talk about
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: male and female circumcision and we use the phrase genital mutilation,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: people are more familiar with the use of the term
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: genital mutilation to describe female circumcision, But when you use
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: it to describe male circumcision, there's a lot of people
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: that have never heard that and don't know what you're
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: talking about. And so there is a tendency for jar
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: to sometimes get in the way of communication, and that
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: you start talking about that, suddenly your audience is a
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: little bit lost. Suddenly your audience maybe doesn't understand what
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: what the heck are you talking about? What did you
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: just say there? And it's the same thing happens in
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: my profession. Right if I ask for my coworkers, you know,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: to tell where's.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: The mar It's not where it's supposed to be. Does it.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Does somebody have the mar they know exactly what I'm
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: asking for. Most of you who don't work in medicine
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: have no idea what I just said I was asking for.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: And if I actually said the medical administration record, it
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't give you that much more information. I would have
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: to sit down and say, Okay, there's a book like
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: it's in a binder in my whatever house I'm working
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: in at the time that has sheets of paper with
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: medicine lists and a calendar that I can mark off
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: each day and at the time of day that I
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: give them the specific medication. I gave this medication at
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: seven am. Here's my initials and and it has all
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the information about these medications. And then the next person
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: that comes in can see that the seven am medications
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: were given. That's the medical administration record. It is the
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: record of administering medications and who did it, when they
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: did it, and you know whether or not the result
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: was successful, so you know in the back of the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: page allows you to write something if it wasn't gave
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: gave the client the medicines the client immediately threw up.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: That's something that you have to take note of. Because
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: obviously then the client didn't absorb that dose of medication
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: and did not get the effects of the medication.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Right, that's all.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Stuff the coworker immediately understands when you say, hey, where's
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: the mar It's not in its proper place? Does somebody
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: have it?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: But but if I just said that.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: In you know, in the room with somebody who didn't
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: work there, they might.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: Have no idea what I'm talking about.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Right, So language can be a barrier even when you're
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: speaking English to somebody who speaks English, if you are
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: using terminology that isn't familiar to them, even if it's
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: English terminology and it's it's even it's even worse. If
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm there's a lot of my neighbors that
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't speak the same language they speak.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything they say, and they don't know
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: anything I say. And uh, we all have this habit
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: of speaking louder to try to get people to understand
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: and using a lot of hand gestures and crap. Right,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: it would be better if we all had an elementary
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: school lessons where we we got to be bilingual and
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: there was a primary language used here, which historically it
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: has been English, and there's not any reason for that
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: to change. But learning a new language doesn't mean that
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: you forget your old language. Increasing the details of your
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: culture doesn't mean that you forget the details that you
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: had before.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: You don't.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Stop having a Christmas tree just because you learn some
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: traditions involved in say Hanukkah or Kwanza or any other
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: solstice celebrating the winter's solstice. Oh, we're celebrating Yule. But
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: and in fact, you might learn some things about the
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Christmas tree if you start Celebratingyule. But in any case,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: you don't have to give up your old culture. You
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: just simply become more cosmopolitan as you as you learn
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: more things about the world around you, and you get
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: to enjoy a broader spectrum of things. What bothers me
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: about this whole discussion of people coming in and telling
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: you how you should live your life and everything is
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: you know and and and like I said, stakeholders, this
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: the whole stakeholders discussion. Right, So what if if the
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: government came along and said, well, you have more Spanish
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: neighbors than than you do neighbors who speak English. You know,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: more Spanish speaking neighbors, So you, you are now obligated
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: to take a course in Spanish. Right, that would be
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: very difficult for me right now, especially right this minute,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: because I don't have time off from work to go
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: take that language language course, and I would probably have
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: to pay for it, right they have the government came
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: along and said that to me, because I'm not a minority,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: it would be at my expense. It would be an
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: unfunded man mandate. And so this stakeholder idea, when when
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: when they come along in a foreign nation and they
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: label everybody in the greater community stakeholders in your family
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: and your household and your life and your choices, what
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: they are essentially doing is communizing your life and your
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: life choices. Right, No, you don't get to decide what
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: the rules are in your household because we have decided
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: that the culture that you live in is sexist. Your
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: traditions are bad, and instead of becoming more cosmopolitan and
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: increasing the scope of traditions that you are aware of
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: and can decide to make a part of your life,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: you have to give up your traditions and adopt these
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: new traditions. And I think that's a completely different story
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: than expecting that people who move to a nation that
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: they were not part of before, increase the scope of
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: their culture instead of keeping it encapsulated.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: So they consider this a holistic approach.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Holistic when you look at words like this is another
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: piece of jargon, right, holistic, and everybody talks about this term.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: They use this term like it means wholesome.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: All right, So let's take a look at the actual definition.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: Holistic means characterized by the belief that the parts of
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: something are interconnected and can be explained only by reference
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: to the whole, characterized by treatment of the whole person
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: or taking into account mental and social factors rather than
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: just the symptoms of an illness. And let's see if
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: I can. Yeah, we're getting into there is a holistic approach.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: A holistic approach is a way of thinking that considers
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: the whole of something rather than just the parts that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: can be used in health, business and other areas. So
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: this is all fairly accurate as far as I'm used
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: to seeing it described, right, So it.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: Can be taken all kinds of good ways and all
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: kinds of bad ways.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Well, when you see somebody that says they practice realistic medicine,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of times it's this idea that to treat
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: an illness you subject an individual, or to treat a
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: illness that's caused by some sort of toxin or poison,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: you subject the individual to a very tiny amount of
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: that in a solution, and it trains the body. Well,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: it works with allergies. There's a thing called allergy shots
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: that you can get allergy injections that involve injecting the
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: body with minute amounts of allergens and a substance called immunoglobulin,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: and it basically trains the immune system to quit freaking
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: the fuck out every time harmless things come come up
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: to it and say hi, like pollen, so that it
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: can address, you know, pneumonia when pneumonia comes to town.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: But it doesn't necessarily work with everything. So, by the way,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: vaccination works as is holistic medicine. Most people who promote
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: vaccines will tell you holistic medicine doesn't work, but vaccines
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: are literally holistic medicine.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: Uh So, so there you go. But let's see where
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: were we this page?
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: So this holistic approach. What they're saying here is you
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: look at a domestic violent situation in household, right, and
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: you have Jane Doe and Richard Rowe get married, so
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: now she's Jane Row. And Jane and Richard Row have
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: fights all the time, and they maybe you know, squatted
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: each other and stuff. Oh oh, I knocked Lauren out?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: Lauren? You started snoring?
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's snoring.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: I was not snoring noise.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: It was so cute you. It's not fair When I snore,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: I sound like a pack of angry Doberman's about to
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: snipe and like.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, it's really.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: Really but yeah, when I'm having allergy troubles and I
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: know I'm gonna snore, I sleep on that count so
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: my poor.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: Husband can sleep.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: But no, this this holistic approach, they say, let's Jane
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: and Richard Rowe swat on each other. Maybe it's not
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: severe like you know, frying pan level or anybody pouring
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: boiling water on each other or anything like that, but
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: just similar to what they might portray on TV, people
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: pushing each other around and shoving while they're yelling over
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: you spent money on something we couldn't afford or some
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: shit like that, right, instead of considering, well, you know,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: she gets drunk and or you know, he spends too much.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Money on.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: Model cars and he's got a model car habit and
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: it's it's almost at the addictive level, and so so
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: they can't afford groceries because he's bought this model car. Right,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: So that problem is part of the issue that leads
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: to this domestic violence. Like there's a flaw in behavior
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: that is frustrating one of the partners, and the other
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: partner gets defensive and suddenly, you know, there's this explosion,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: and then between the two of them, they have conflict
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: management issues, so they don't know how to approach this
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: conflict in a different way. Right. That's that's basically the
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: underlying problems most of the time with domestic violence is that.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: There's some.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Conflict occurring over some dysfunctional behavior, and the partners don't
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: have their own personal framework for handling that conflict in
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: a more effective and functional way, so they fight, right
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: and instead of that, come along and this holistic approach. Well,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna look at the greater community, we're
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: gonna look at social norms, we're gonna look at this
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: idea of patriarchal oppression. Maybe we won't talk about Jane's
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: drinking problem, because you can't say that she has a flaw.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe you won't talk about his car problem because cars
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: are important to them in some way or another, right,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: or you know, at the other end of it, maybe
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: she's bitching about something that isn't a problem. You know,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: he comes home from work and wants to play a
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: little bit of video like, all right, go ahead, enjoy
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: sitting back and relaxing. I'm gonna watch and see how
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: you do this game.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: No, No, it's gonna yell and scream and have a
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: fit because he's enjoying himself and she's not enjoying herself,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: and that's again a problem. But instead of dealing with
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, maybe you also need a hobby, or
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: maybe you can talk it out and come up with
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: an agreement about together time and video game time and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: her hobby time and so on. Nope, video games are
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: bad and he's selfish or playing, so he has to stop, right.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: That's that's basically when they say holistic approach, they're not
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: actually talking about examining the full causes behind the problem
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: in a unbiased and functional manner. They're talking about how
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: do we how.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: Do we blame men?
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: How do we promote patriarchy theory? What details do we
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: have to include or make up in order to make
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: this a male perpetrated issue. And as a result, they
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: they they go for this thing meaningful male engagement using
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: our gender transformative approaches and do not harm framework. Let's see,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: so they have this training that they've made available, and
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw it later down on
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: this page, but I clicked on an opened one of
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: their links here on the page and came across this.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna duplicate this tab so I can go back
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: to the top and show you the actual title. This
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: is the kind of stuff they're doing here, and this
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: is how they how do they handle this. They're not
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: necessarily going into say your your house and talking to you.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: They're doing community activities.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: Like walk a mile in her heels or some dumb shit.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Kind of and it's it's a bit different.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: Me.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna close some tabs here, so we're gonna close this. Yeah,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: So this one is called Gender Youth and Social Inclusion
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: Staff Training Manual. This is their staff training man So
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: they'll have a maybe a center set up where they
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: get people to come into the center and take courses
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: in the center, and they do these activities in these courses,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: so it's it's kind of like a curriculum for an
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: elementary school classroom, right, and these activities as I let's see,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: pages are taking their time looting they have you know,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: their vision is a gender equal world where all people
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: share their sexual and reproductive health and rights. They say,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: what they really mean is women and their high quality
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: gender equitable programs. Uh gender equitable again, meaning they claim
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: that women are discriminated against or oppressed and they want
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: to undo the conditions that they claim cause that. So
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: they have this training. As we continue to advance our work,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: we recognize the critical importance of continually improving how we
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: work in understanding that people we work with face multiple vulnerabilities.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: The manual is intended to help engender health teams, partner organizations,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: and other stakeholders and in gender health program countries strengthen
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: their capacity in GUISI.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: So these are.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: When they train these people. They're taking people from the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: country of origin, which is the United States, and people
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: who are already part of feminist organizations in the country
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: that's targeted, and then also community members that they want
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: to absorb into these organizations and get them to act
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: as carriers of the dogma for these organizations out into
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: the community to infect the rest of the community with it.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: And this basically is essentially how they alter the way
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: that you think in order to make that happen. So
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: they facilitate the teams to reflect on, challenge and change
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: their own personal g y s I related biases, beliefs,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: of prejudices, and stereotypes. So remember g y s I
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: is gender youth and social inclusion, right, And they have
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: this this whole set of different tools that they're they're using.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: So I started looking at the tools, power walk being
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: the first one, right, And they have this this activity
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: that they do that takes about forty five minutes. You're
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: in a room with people. You basically print a list
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: and you cut it into strips and each person gets
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: a strip and then you have a role play. And
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: so they have these strips basically are characters, and they
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: have these different details about these characters, right, And it's
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: interesting to look at the details that they give people.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Women aged twenty five, three children, wants to use contraception,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: but her husband is opposed. Girls age sixteen pregnant as
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: a result of rape. Women age twenty one lives with
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: a disability and cannot move outside her house without support.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: A woman forty, influential teacher and wife of community leader.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: So she's the first woman who's not a victim of something.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Woman in age thirty five, married with four children. Husband
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: does not allow her to go outside without his permission
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: and does not want her to use contraception. Again victim,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: woman aged thirty five, successful entrepreneur abused by her husband.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Victim.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: Right, and we look at how they portray men. So again,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: this is where the sneakiness comes in. Right, all this
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: stuff sounds innocuous to most people. All this stuff, well,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: where's the feminism, where's the where's the bias? Man aged
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: forty police officer and a friend of the president. Right,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: we have one victim here, boy fifteen, orphaned works at
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: a restaurant where he's sexually abused.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: Right, but.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Let's see managed forty five teacher at local school with
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: strong religious beliefs. Managed thirty five religious leader. Where's the
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: victim hut here, man aged fifty, rich local administrator with
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: strong religious beliefs. Right, we have one woman again who's
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: got some power a little bit right, women aged forty
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: government minister. Girl age sixteen does not want to marry yet,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: but her parents are forcing her to marry. Transgender adolescent
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: age seventeen, unemployed and sexually abused and belied. So it
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: seems like the men can't be victims, but the boys can.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: Boy age seventeen living with HIV but scared to tell anyone, living,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: begging on the street, beaten and sexually abused. But again,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: we have women twenty, unmarried and pregnant, unable to visit
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: a health facility due to the fear of stigma. Woman
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: aged forty, widowed living with HIV, abandoned by her family.
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  Speaker 2: Right and the men. Oh community leader.
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  Speaker 1: Recently won an election by distributing food to the poor.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: Powerful community leader and brother of a government minister. Right
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: next to you, women age thirty, sex worker living with HIV.
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  Speaker 1: So we have all these, most of the males, most
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: of the males unless they're children, unless they're underage. Most
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: of the males are in positions of power, right they're
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  Speaker 1: The first thing they've done here is imply that men
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: aren't vulnerable. Men cannot also be victims of anything, you know,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: or if they are, it's rare, whereas almost all of
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: the women women are portrayed as victims of something, So
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: they have all these characters and this continues like there's
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: this whole list, and then they have the exercise explain
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. You know, you're going to share these
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  Speaker 1: strips of paper with the characteristics. So each person gets
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: a strip of paper and they're supposed to role play
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: that character. So they're supposed to imagine themselves in that circumstance.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: And then once you've distributed them, then you take them
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: through this series of questions. Right, And it's stuff like
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  Speaker 1: I can visit a hospital alone anytime of the day
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  Speaker 1: and night. I can visit a hospital alone, even if
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  Speaker 1: it is far from my house. I do not need
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  Speaker 1: anyone's permission to visit a health center.
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  Speaker 2: I decide.
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  Speaker 1: I can decide when and at what age I want
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  Speaker 1: to get married. I can choose my life partner on
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: my own. I can decide whether I want to become
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: pregnant or conceive with my partner. I can decide when
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: I want to have children. I can decide the timing
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: and spacing between my children. I can exercise my right
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: to consent to sect. And these are all questions that
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: are being asked or statements that are being made. You
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to consider as part of these character ideas,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: would this be true or false for this person? So
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: if you create take a room full of people, and
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: you only give them male characters that have power and
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: authority and none that have vulnerability or victimhood, and you'll
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: only give them female characters for the most part, that
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: have vulnerability and victimhood and few, if any, that have
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: power and authority, how do you think that their outlook
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: on these questions is going to to end up?
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  Speaker 4: This is why the whole world hates us. But it's not.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 4: It's not because our governments are imposing capitalism on the world.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: It's not because our governments are imposing democracy. It's because
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: our governments are imposing feminism on the world. It's I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: know we've been and I say our governments instead of us.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: I'm very careful to separate these pronouns. It's not we,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: It's not us. It's it's the governments that have taken
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: control of our countries as they try to impose certain
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: values on the wrest of them, such as democracy and
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: such as feminism. It's the whole world hates us because
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 4: because they think we the populations, are responsible for what
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 4: our governments are doing, which is imposing feminism on them.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: You you all have to treat your women better than
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: you treat your men. And the rest of the world
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: is going, the fuck are you talking about this? That's
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: not how anything works, dickheads. But but but we don't
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: listen to this. Yeah, we we just hear them saying
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: this and go, well, you're not being progressive and not
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: being politically correct, and and and and we don't see
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: this because because our governments are in charge of governments
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: are determined to impose these things like democracy and feminism
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: and and the rest of the world is like, no,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: we've we've we've got by for fucking thousands of years
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: without this nonsense, like we don't think women are better
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: than men, We don't think men are better than women.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: We we've we've found this, we've found a balance that
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: that's worked for us for fucking hundreds, if not thousands
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: of years. And and you think women are better than men,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: but we we we don't share this worldview. And this
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: is what the West doesn't get to it. Like the
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: icophobes among us like to blame everything on colonialism, but
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: the thing, the ideology with which Western governments have been
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: imposing across the world. Is is this idea that women
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: need to be protected and and men need to do
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: the protecting And most of the worlds going, yeah, we
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: know that we already have that, but you guys are
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: doing it to the nth degree, Like this isn't progressive.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: This is actually dare I say, traditionalism pushed to the
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: nth degree in the backward direction, like you're actually this
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: isn't progressive, the idea that men need to protect women.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: This is like it's all every civilization across the world
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: has long since had this idea that men need to
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: protect women. We know this. We've always had this idea,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: and we've always had our own interpretation of this idea.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: But you, you motherfuckers in the West, have just taken this
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: instinctive drive to protect women to the anth degree. And
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: this is why we hate you. It's not again, it's
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: it's not because of a spice trade from thousands of
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: years ago. It's not because of colonialism. In a way,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: it is because of colonial but the.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: Colonial this is colonialism.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 4: The colonial ideology, the colonial ideology that you've been trying
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: to spread on us for the last couple of hundred
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: years is that women are better than men, and we
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: we don't believe this, and it's it's up to us
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 4: here at Adi Badger Radio, a few other isolated organizations
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: here going no. Sorry, we know we don't we don't
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: want to spread feminism to the rest of the world.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: It's just our governments that are doing this, yep. And
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: it's it's so difficult to get this across to people
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: because because our populations are associated with of our governments,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: and like we're here going no, governments do not resent,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: do not represent us. Our governments have been taken over
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: by rabid, fucking leftists and men to bow down to
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 4: women even more than they already do by their very nature.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 4: And it's not Yeah, I don't want to I don't
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: want to act like chivalry is a normal thing for
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 4: any nation to do. But it's been it's been centuries. Like,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: it's not we like we like to think, it's just
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: been decades, you know. It was only in the past
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: couple of decades that we've been over we've been subjugated
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: by these feminist ideals, but it's been centuries.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The chivalry, real chivalry to romantic chivalry happened in like
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: the thirteenth century thirteenth any.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 4: Any kind of chivalry has just been uh, a hyper
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: naturalized version of of how any civilized civilization is supposed
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: to work.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, yeah, they was basically just horsemanship. You have
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: a horse, you have the aquest it's cheval is the
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: French word for horse.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: And at the time that the concept of chivalry was created,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: having a horse was almost like having a having your
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: own tank. If you especially if you had a horse
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: and a suit of armor and a sword, you you
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: were essentially a tank with your horse, and so you
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: had the capacity to be not just the biggest asshole
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: in your neighborhood, but the most effective asshole in your neighborhood.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: And therefore this concept of not abusing your power as
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: the person with the tank, that essentially is what chivalry
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: was about. And French aristocracy, women of the French aristocracy
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: in and I can't remember it was thirteenth or fourteenth century.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: If you look at Peter Wright's website guynescentrism dot com,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: he actually has this history documented there. Kind of came
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: up with these ideas of co opting the concepts of
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: chivalry that applied basically to owners of horses and swords
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: and suits of armor, who were landowners and had power
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: over other people and so on to well, this is
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: the relationship between men and women, men or the lords
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: and women are the serfs, which was not true, it
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: was bullshit, But they managed to can thence men to
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: take a subservient role to women in terms of emotional
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: service and such and and personal sacrifice and so on.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: By it's sort of co opting, really essentially co opting
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: all of the principles of the working principles of actual
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: chivalry to this notion of gender or sexual debt and
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: sexual power and so on, very much in the same
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: way that women, as in in feminism, co opted the
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: victim narrative of UH class inequality for for feminism's Marxist
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: ideas like feminism's commune ideas, and you know, seizing seizing
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: the means of reproduction and so on, and and treating
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: the ability to work and the ability to uh essentially
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: be at large in the world as a commodity that
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: men keep from women.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: So I go to if you want to understand more
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: about the history of the twisting of chivalry into service
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: to women from from basically service to your community into
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: service to women. Go to guynesscentrism dot com and look
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: into the history. There's quite a bit of reading you
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: can do on that site, and it's it's really a
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: good site to understand the social dynamics and how they
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: evolved and how unnatural all of this is because when
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: we talk about guyness centrism, we are not talking about
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: the traditional family ideal of a hierarchy of protectiveness between
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: you know, outside threats and the children. We're talking about
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: the unnatural treatment of women as if they're more important
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: than everybody else in the world, and so and women's
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: interests are somehow more important than everybody else's. So again,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: that was kindocentrism dot com. But I think we're going
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: to stop at this point because I am actually I've
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: got more of a time limit tonight than I usually do,
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: so we may look some more into this the this paper,
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: we may not. The main thing I wanted to show you,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: guys was sort of this the little ways they sneak
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: this gender bias into these programs and implement them in
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: the world.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: But in any case, I'm going to.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: Read the we have a super chat, but I don't
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: think we have a superchower rumble rant of any kind
• 1:52:11
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• 1:52:14
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• 1:52:17
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• 1:52:26
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• 1:52:30
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• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: will also, because I didn't give the spiel at the
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: beginning of the show, I will say, you've been listening
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• 1:53:07
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• 1:53:12
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• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: for going through. This was kind of another weird, convoluted
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: one a lot of times with feminism. There's this nice
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: little gilded facade over the pile of shit, but we
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: found the pile of shit underneath it.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: I'm glad we're not talking about the Biden cartel. It's
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: less depressing.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, at least the one thing you can say
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: for the Biden cartel, their facade wasn't gilded, and it
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't very thick. The facade here is pretty thick, unfortunately,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: So we end up having to do a lot of
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: digging in a lot of explaining for a small amount
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: of detail so that people do understand that we're not
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: making just just making this shit up. And I don't
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: want to remind everybody, like for the last probably twelve
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: fourteen years, that various ones of us have been talking
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: about this, and the greater Men's rights movement has.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: Been talking about this for decades, by the.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: Way, and we've been saying that this stuff exists, that
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: this funding exists, and that these programs exist. This stuff
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: is happening, and we've been gas lit by feminists, gaslighted
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: by feminists over this for years and years. Oh no,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: you're full of shit. That's a conspiracy theory. Take your
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: tinfoil hat off. What the heck's wrong with you. Here's
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: the receipts. We are showing the receipts right here. But again,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: thanks for listening to us go over the receipts, and
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• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: receipts are dry, right, but thanks for going over them
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  Speaker 2: Good idol.
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  Speaker 4: That one