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Patriots Unfiltered 3/17: Team/League News, Notable Free Agents, Draft Talk · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: with our news until they're done.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting take. So I'm going to give Rabbing a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of credit some of us that don't watch the
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  Speaker 5: film and just know the game. Oh no, the game
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  Speaker 5: by watching it. Yeah once, yeah, not twenty seven times.
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  Speaker 5: When it went bad in Tennessee. The culture went bad
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  Speaker 5: with it because it's hard to have great culture.
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  Speaker 4: When you're not winning. I think Rabel's also a better coach.
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  Speaker 6: Now than he was. That your decisions.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I said I think yes, we will say
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  Speaker 4: is younger? What dos wasn't a trade?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I know what you what? You gave
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  Speaker 5: him twenty million a year. They traded a lot to
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  Speaker 5: DJ Moore, I mean a pit swamp.
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  Speaker 6: More than the Patriots game up for Dobbs.
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  Speaker 4: I like it.
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  Speaker 6: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I like it.
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  Speaker 4: I like the thinking. I'm just waiting for you to
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  Speaker 4: say something that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not threatened at all by what the Bills are doing,
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  Speaker 2: I think, Josh, because that's your primary rival.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I make their own space in your head.
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  Speaker 2: What you wouldn't give to get to the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: and just get blown out like.
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  Speaker 5: You saw, like Johnny Sullivan in selfie, Like I haven't
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  Speaker 5: they sucked?
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  Speaker 1: They would kill to be us. This is Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: is Tuesday here Let's Stadium, and we're all here Evan, Paul, me, Duce,
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  Speaker 4: Alex and the Boom, and we're talking Patriots for the
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  Speaker 4: next couple hours, as we do every Tuesday and Thursday
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  Speaker 4: in the off season here at Jilette Stadium, on Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 4: So what do we got, guys? What's on your mind?
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  Speaker 4: What what Patriots subject? I have a non Patriots subject
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  Speaker 4: that I'll bring up a little later. I need some
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  Speaker 4: consumer uh advice nice uh, you know, So we'll get
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  Speaker 4: into that later. But but let's let's uh, let's deal
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  Speaker 4: with the Patriots. What do we got.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna start with Miami just trading Jalen Wadel
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos. I think that's interesting on a number of
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  Speaker 2: different levels.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's a big trade.
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  Speaker 2: Big trade, Uh, I kind of. I mean I like
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  Speaker 2: it for both teams, to be honest. I think Miami
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  Speaker 2: is clearly turn it down.
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  Speaker 7: To the Studs.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like devon a chance standing around looking with
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  Speaker 2: Malik Wellis. But good trade for Denver. I mean, another
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  Speaker 2: Weddon for them. And I'm sure they're gonna come in
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  Speaker 2: here next year and they're gonna have something to prove
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  Speaker 2: and Jalen Wade is going to be part of that.
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  Speaker 2: So so who is.
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  Speaker 4: Their best receiver? Courtland Sutton the Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder if I want ner, if he'll stay. I
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  Speaker 5: wonder if he'll be on the move. Yeah then yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Troy frank for you know, another speed guy for them.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I wonder if you know they they played
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  Speaker 6: Franklin and Marvin Mims a lot, and obviously John Waddles
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  Speaker 6: a much better player than both those guys. But yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean you could look at it either way. You
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  Speaker 6: can look at it as well a contender in the
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  Speaker 6: a f C just got better, or you could say
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  Speaker 6: looking at the Jets and the Dolphins right now, it
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  Speaker 6: kind of feels like that was m four free wins
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  Speaker 6: for the Patriots next year.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, that's a horse race in the AFCAS.
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  Speaker 6: Depending on which way you want to one horse race, yeah, Patriots?
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  Speaker 5: Or did you forget when I got smacked around last week?
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  Speaker 4: But Mike a little bit, Yeah, but he was talking.
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  Speaker 2: They did little George.
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  Speaker 5: Talking trash about me on the radio this morning too, trash.
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  Speaker 2: I acknowledged that there was an argument.
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  Speaker 5: It was your greatest moment in the show. You smacked
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  Speaker 5: me around, pressing. I also didn't know about Bradley Chubb
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  Speaker 5: when he was telling me, oh, that's deash never mind.
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  Speaker 6: I was surprised to hear I did go back and
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  Speaker 6: listen to the great argument because I heard so much
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  Speaker 6: about it. I just an argument, really, I was surprised.
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  Speaker 5: It was just a beat down by you beat me down.
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  Speaker 6: To concede so much that DJ Moore is better than
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  Speaker 6: Khalil Shakir, because I'm I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I think he's much better. I don't know if
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  Speaker 5: that's I'm not so sure he's much better, right, He
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  Speaker 5: plays a little bit more on the outside than than
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  Speaker 5: Shakir for sure, But.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. DJ Moore, you know, maybe two
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  Speaker 6: or three years ago is much better if you're getting
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  Speaker 6: that guy. Anyways, This is a side tangent, but I
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  Speaker 6: I just that was the only point that I was like, I.
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  Speaker 5: Just didn't understand why that made him desperate. But he
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  Speaker 5: smacked me around pretty good. You missed it. It was
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  Speaker 5: a great moment.
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  Speaker 6: It was nice to not be in the middle of
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  Speaker 6: one of the arguments.
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  Speaker 4: On the show.
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  Speaker 2: I just think, though, is there a certain point with
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  Speaker 2: some teams where you start to say, you know, we
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  Speaker 2: really haven't gotten a starter out of the last few drafts,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, it's just do you feel that pressure
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  Speaker 2: because having watched this Patriots team miss on drafts, you
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  Speaker 2: had Tom Brady could offset those problems, and then you
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  Speaker 2: didn't have Tom Brady, and then you had all those
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  Speaker 2: problems and you were stuck with.
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  Speaker 5: But as long as right, okay, right, So that's why
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  Speaker 5: I don't think that they're like where you think they are. No,
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  Speaker 5: I just like, in five and twelve Land.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like after this season, where you fire your
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  Speaker 2: coach and you're going to change things up, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to you know, your old head coach was your defensive coordinator,
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  Speaker 2: so you're also changing your defense. Felt like the head
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  Speaker 2: coach you added was kind of a Josh Allen move.
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  Speaker 2: This is Josh's guy. This is so you know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I think I would be more interested in
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  Speaker 2: what the Bills were doing this offseason if they had
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  Speaker 2: gone outside of the box and had said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we need to change it up a little bit and
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  Speaker 2: not continue to try to put everything on Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 2: And you're right, like they had to go get DJ Moore.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's in and of itself. I don't mind
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  Speaker 2: the mind things. I think they had to get somebody.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't have to be Dj Moore. But you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: we don't have to make this the but I gave
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  Speaker 2: you the I gave you the t KO.
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  Speaker 5: But that's what I think.
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  Speaker 2: It's more interesting. You look around the league at teams
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  Speaker 2: that you know have bad drafts, and to me, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you don't really take notice of it. But
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  Speaker 2: now when I see what a big part that was
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  Speaker 2: of the Patriots struggles from twenty twenty to win.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, take the win. It doesn't have many every once
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  Speaker 5: in a while, I give.
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  Speaker 4: Him the win to The only criticism I got of
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  Speaker 4: the the argument with the capital T is that you
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  Speaker 4: guys were talking over each other and people couldn't hear
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  Speaker 4: what you were saying.
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  Speaker 6: People complain about that, no, but you know what, it's
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  Speaker 6: a legit concern.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes it's like the medium gets a little hot.
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  Speaker 4: It's a little hot, I know, but it's the best part.
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  Speaker 4: If you can't hear what anyone's saying, it's pointless.
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  Speaker 2: So I was making great points that Paul was yelling
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  Speaker 2: over and you do.
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  Speaker 4: Have to let each other talk.
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  Speaker 5: You can hear it.
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  Speaker 4: You can, I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 5: I know, I know. It's the best part of it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's okay, that's all right. Well we'll try to it's.
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  Speaker 5: A good argument.
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  Speaker 6: The interesting part about just the rest of the Like,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what Miami's doing there. They signed equill
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  Speaker 6: As to this big contract to be their starting quarterback
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  Speaker 6: and they trade all of his weapons away, Like yeah, like,
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  Speaker 6: I'm not really sure.
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  Speaker 4: What they're gonna be. You're gonna have to run a lot.
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  Speaker 6: Like they're like the Dolphins like feel like they want
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  Speaker 6: a tank and they want to be in like a
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  Speaker 6: full rebuild mode. But then why give Malik Willis that
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  Speaker 6: contract if that's.
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  Speaker 2: The route quarterback next year in the draft?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, it just doesn't make much sense to me.
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  Speaker 6: The Jets are are for some reason bringing back Geno Smith,
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  Speaker 6: which also doesn't really make much sense to me. But
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  Speaker 6: number the combination of those, I think what we saw,
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  Speaker 6: you know a little bit here is like when you
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  Speaker 6: hire a new head coach, like you need to have
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  Speaker 6: some success at some point, like if you're the Jets, Like,
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  Speaker 6: is Aaron Glenn going to get a third season if
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  Speaker 6: the Jets are bad?
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  Speaker 7: Again?
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  Speaker 6: Like it's that's a really tough sell. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: now obviously the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 5: Haven't good questions all around a new coach also, and
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  Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, you'd probably give them a year to
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  Speaker 5: you know, just whether the storm of a rebuild. But
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  Speaker 5: at some point, you know, this is these coaches have
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  Speaker 5: like two or three year shelf lives to kind of
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  Speaker 5: figure the thing out and get some wins on the board. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think those are fair criticisms of both, And I
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  Speaker 5: would just say in my view from a thousand feet
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  Speaker 5: or whatever, I can understand the Jets a little bit
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  Speaker 5: more than what I can the Dolphins, because Evans perfectly.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, like you could have done exactly what Miami's doing,
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  Speaker 5: Strip it to the studs, start over. A lot of
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  Speaker 5: teams have done it, and they you know, it's not
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  Speaker 5: like they're like the Jets where they haven't been good
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  Speaker 5: and relevant in fifteen years. I mean, Miami has been
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  Speaker 5: to the playoffs recently, so you know, they took a shot,
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  Speaker 5: it didn't work, they changed coaches. Okay, you're going to
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  Speaker 5: start over again. I think they have like four third
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  Speaker 5: round picks now, I mean, that's that's kind of a path.
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  Speaker 5: But then you give that contract to Malik Willis, and
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  Speaker 5: I kind of agree with that. Why couldn't you do
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  Speaker 5: that with Quinn yours? You know, it's it's the same thing, right,
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  Speaker 5: So anyway, I didn't understand that with the Jets for
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  Speaker 5: the same reason that Evan said. Now, Aaron in his
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  Speaker 5: second year, they signed a bunch of veteran free agents
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  Speaker 5: to very short term contracts. I can sort of understand, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: let's get Gino Smith in here, because we're not going
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  Speaker 5: to be a playoff team this year. But is it
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  Speaker 5: important for them to not go three and fourteen and
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  Speaker 5: maybe go six and eleven, seven and ten.
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  Speaker 6: What was the Raiders record last year with Gino Smith?
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  Speaker 5: No, no, no, I know, if he plays the way he
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  Speaker 5: played last year, it's going to be a disaster. A
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  Speaker 5: lot of people think that that offense just did not
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  Speaker 5: fit him and he could be a little bit more
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  Speaker 5: like he wasn't.
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  Speaker 6: Seeing Allen in that offense.
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  Speaker 5: If he throws twenty interceptions, like they're going to be
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  Speaker 5: in trouble.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, But like I don't know, I guess Breist Hall,
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  Speaker 6: Garrett Wilson, Bowers genty Like we could debate which ones
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  Speaker 6: better in terms of set.
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  Speaker 5: Up, but neither one of them is loaded.
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  Speaker 6: The Jets have a little bit of better offensive line. Probably,
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  Speaker 6: I just if I have the Jets, And I think
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  Speaker 6: the only our argument or reason why is because maybe
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  Speaker 6: they're nobody's really interested in playing for the Jets very much,
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  Speaker 6: and so this could be why. But like you look
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  Speaker 6: at Tua and Kyler Murray as guys that are available,
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  Speaker 6: and at least there's like some ceiling to that.
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  Speaker 5: Like if you would ask me those choices, I would
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  Speaker 5: have you know, would have been Tua and Kyler Murray
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  Speaker 5: every day of the week. Yeah, now, but I don't
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  Speaker 5: think that they were. Kyler Murray's going to be starting
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  Speaker 5: from Minnesota. I don't think that he was legitimately even
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  Speaker 5: going to the Jets.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not sure about that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure you think that he's.
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  Speaker 6: Going to just purely breed out JJ McCarthy.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think if you listen to anything Kevin
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  Speaker 5: O'Connell said over the weekend, I think the writing's on
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  Speaker 5: the wall there.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's already burning that draft pick with
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  Speaker 6: two three years into it.
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  Speaker 5: I think, so that's rough. I didn't say it was fair.
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  Speaker 5: I'm just saying I'm not saying it.
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  Speaker 6: I don't care about the fairness of it all. It's
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  Speaker 6: just that's that's a bad look. I get the bad
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  Speaker 6: look to draft the guy, I mean the top ten.
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  Speaker 5: And then your guy San Francisco did the same thing,
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  Speaker 5: and I think he was right.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting people still believe in Kevin O'Connell though, because move
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  Speaker 2: for Kyler Murray to go there and play with Kevin O'Connell.
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  Speaker 2: But yet they're not giving any criticism to Kevin O'Connell
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  Speaker 2: for failing to develop JJ McCarthy. You know, like he
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  Speaker 2: still seems kind of bulletproof based on that movie.
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  Speaker 5: So I don't know how much he had to do
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  Speaker 5: with acquiring JJ McCarthy. I'm going to put the blame
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  Speaker 5: on JJ McCarthy's lack of development on JJ McCarthy. On
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  Speaker 5: account of every other quarterback Kevin O'Connell is touched has
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  Speaker 5: been pretty successful. This is the one who can't seem
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  Speaker 5: to do anything. So I'm going to blame the player.
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  Speaker 2: Not wonder if it was Adolpha Mensa that they left
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  Speaker 2: go of.
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  Speaker 5: He's kind again on the table. Oh yeah, it could be, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: because maybe he was leading the PFF rankings, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's how he was drafted him. But back to Evans Guy,
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  Speaker 5: I would say the same thing about Shanahan, Like pretty
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  Speaker 5: much every quarterback that he's plugged Dack Jones has worked
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  Speaker 5: except for Trey Lance. Yeah, so I'm going to put
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  Speaker 5: the blame on Trey Lance. Now, Trey Lance is a
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  Speaker 5: little different because he constantly was hurt San Francisco. Y.
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  Speaker 6: Lance never got off the runway. He never got he
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  Speaker 6: never left the gate, you know, like his whole career
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  Speaker 6: are just.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of McCarthy also dealt with a lot of injuries too,
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  Speaker 5: so it just.
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  Speaker 6: Is a weird. The Dolphins to me is super weird.
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  Speaker 6: The Jets to me, I still don't really know.
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  Speaker 5: How we're getting today.
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  Speaker 6: I agree with you, how are we winning games? Like
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  Speaker 6: at some point you have to win games like you can't.
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  Speaker 6: Like it's nice to say, oh, we're just going to
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  Speaker 6: keep picking in the top ten until it turns around,
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  Speaker 6: but we know that that's not going to last very
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  Speaker 6: long for any of these people that you know are
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  Speaker 6: coach just general managers. Whatever.
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  Speaker 2: It's seven free agents on defense that it seems like
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  Speaker 2: they're going to try to plug in. I know one
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  Speaker 2: of them was trade, but like Sweat from Tennessee was
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  Speaker 2: a trade on Ya Mada at tackle Angare to Mario
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  Speaker 2: Davis's back. Joseph Naseean Wright on.
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  Speaker 4: The Lads, I ordered my draft guide yesterdays has great depth, charts,
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  Speaker 4: great great depth, best step start.
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  Speaker 6: But like all those guys in theory, could you know,
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  Speaker 6: get them back to a level of competency by signing
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  Speaker 6: all those players? But like the Patriots did the same thing,
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  Speaker 6: but they had Drake May So like you knew that
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  Speaker 6: the upside was there, but Gino Smith, there's no upside
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  Speaker 6: Like he's already very much shown the last two years
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  Speaker 6: at its downside if anything, with his game. So I hey,
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  Speaker 6: as a Patriots fan, you should feel great about it.
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  Speaker 6: Like the Patriots, I mean, really, they're gonna get you know,
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  Speaker 6: they should be three and one, four and oh against
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  Speaker 6: the Jets and Dolphins next year pretty easily.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think you do one of those get a
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  Speaker 2: shot at Ty Simpson? Is that of interest to them?
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  Speaker 2: Do you wait till next year and see with what
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  Speaker 2: Manning's probably gonna come out next year? I would guess
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  Speaker 2: maybe he'll be in that mix.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're the draft next year. Is supposed to be
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  Speaker 6: a little bit better at quarterback, you know, the kid
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  Speaker 6: from Oregon Arch Manning, you know, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Ty Simpson to me is like a guy
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  Speaker 6: that needs to be in one of those KOC Kyle
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  Speaker 6: Shanahan Sean McVay systems where they kind of just are
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  Speaker 6: asking him to press the right buttons on the controller
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  Speaker 6: and not do much of the heavy lifting. Yeah, which
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  Speaker 6: you know, I don't know if these teams are set
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  Speaker 6: up for him to be able to do that. But
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  Speaker 6: someone's gonna I would say, someone at the top of
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  Speaker 6: that second round. As there's a answered Ty Simpson. You know,
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  Speaker 6: they're not going to take the quarterback in the first
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  Speaker 6: round because it's just really Mendoza. So you know the
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  Speaker 6: Cardinals teams like that, Like, are they you know, thinking
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  Speaker 6: Ty Simpson at the top of the second round?
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  Speaker 2: The Steelers maybe like down near the bottom of the
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  Speaker 2: first maybe you get there and take a chance on them.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this whole quarterback development thing going on has the
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  Speaker 4: value of a good OC slash quarterback coach gone way
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  Speaker 4: up in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a valuable resource. I mean it's you know,
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  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels now is obviously in that conversation, Kevin O'Connell, shanahan,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: you know, the Rams McVeigh. There's not a lot though.
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, you need someone like That's why I put
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: quarterback coach with coordinator. He can't be just an excell note.
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: You've got to be able to take a young quarterback
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: and develop them and look at their strengths and weaknesses
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: and work with that. You know, it's not just calling
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: the plays.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of I mean, it's interesting with Josh
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: getting his opportunity with the Raiders after developing Mac Jones.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: You see it a lot like a guy has a
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: good year and he goes on to at opportunities. I
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: thought that might lead to someone like Thomas Brown getting
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: an opportunity this year, or you know, I know Ashton
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Grant or reportedly was you know, reached out to by
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: the Raiders as well. But you know, look at the
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: guys like Liam Cohen, like the offensive coordinators around the
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: league who have a couple of good years and then
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: but I think there's, like you said, Fred, there's something
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: special about being able to take a quarterback and really
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: develop them and mold them. And you know, I think
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell is just it's great. Like I just when
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: we were out there the Vikings, I thought, he's just
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: the kind of coach that seems like a really good
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: quarterback coach played it and you know, just knows what
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: he wants and you can see why. That's why I
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: was so surprised they had a bad year last year
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: because when we were out there, it felt like these
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: guys are checking all the boxes as far as like
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: the coaching staff and you know, Brian Flores on defense,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: and it seemed like they were.
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: Really stay fished with a record.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah god, that's I mean, did they win like six games?
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: Nine? They won nine games?
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, year when you're a good coach.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Funny, Yeah.
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: I think that the one of the things that you know,
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: we see a lot of now is just like these
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: quarterback gurus OC's like they're all head coaches, Like they
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: all get made head coaches, and so you have this
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: churn of you know, even like Joe Brady getting promoted
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: to head coach in Buffalo, where it's like unless you
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: have the Josh McDaniel situation, where it's just this perfect
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: storm of this guy's failed a couple of times as
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: the head coach and now he's available to be in
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: OC and there's runway to it. Like most of the
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: time it's Liam Cohene, like Baker Mayfield's like four coordinators
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: and like five years with Tampa Bay or something like that,
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: because they keep on just getting hired away as head coaches.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: So I think that's the tough part is that a
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: lot of these guys end up graduating really quickly to
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: the head coach ranks because of how good they are
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: with offenses and quarterbacks and all that kind of stuff,
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: And so now all these dudes are head coaches and
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: there's not as many OC quarterback coaches, you know, to
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: go around, which I think is is tough.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: What about Kingsbury, Like he's what he went to San
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Frano now, right is that?
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: Where where did he end up? He's I don't even
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: He's another.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: One of those guys though, is kind of kicking around
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: right now, and I feel like he would be due
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: for another opportunity based on everything you said. Yeah, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: guess proof is in the pudding though, And you got
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know what.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: Happened with them in Washington, Like he kind of got
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: scapegoated in Washington. I felt like a little bit like
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: their quarterback got hurt and they they had a bad season.
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: You know, it's not ideal, but I don't if Jayden
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: Daniels had played all year last year, I don't think
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: Cliff Kingsbury loses his job in Washington.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Assistant head coach to the Rams.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a weird one. You know, maybe caught back
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: to college for him, doesn't seem like the NFL is.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: He had all that hype when he went to Arizona
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: and like he was one of those guys and even
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: when I mean we lost wed him.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's one of those guys that, yeah, they he
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: tends to come out of the gate hot with a
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: lot of you know, new fresh ideas that are catered
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: to the quarterback, and then once they get into like November, December, January,
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: like there's a cliff that comes for him and he
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: falls off it.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Okay. Patriots news came out recently Terrell Williams was named
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: assistant head coach. So we were wondering, you know, with
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: the elevation of Zach Core to the defensive coordinator, what
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: was going to happen with Terrell Williams. I think that's
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: a good position for him. He's he's part of, you know, uh,
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: maintaining the culture.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to be great in that way. Yeah,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: yeah'd be interesting what his day to day is. Is
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: he's still more involved with the defense. Is he you know,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: dabble in both sides of the ball. I mean, I
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: think he's longtime defensive line coach, so that's clearly where
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: his expertise lies. But I still feel bad for him.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I just I feel like he finally got an opportunity
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: to be the defensive coordinator call the plays, and I
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: felt like he had been building to that point for
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: a long time in his career and then health issues
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: derailed him. And not to say that assistant head coach
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: isn't pretty cool and still an accomplishment, but I wonder
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: if there's part to him that's just disappointed you didn't
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: get to be that guy on the playo, you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: really putting his print on that defense. And that's something
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: we don't really know. Maybe we'll see today and fors
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and Fox Grow episode four coming out today, right for it?
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, later today, we're gonna drop episode four. I think
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: fans are gonna really love it, but a little warning.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Put some time aside because it's not short. But you
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: don't have to all, you know, listen or watch it
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: in all in one sitting. But it's it's a great,
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: great uh, but you'll want to Yeah, great testimony testimonial
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: to the last season. A lot of behind the scenes
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: stuff never before seen. So I can't wait for it
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: to drop.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Did you find it was a hard episode to put
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: together because of the ending? I mean, you kind of
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: have to figure out how to manage a disappointing performance
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to give it away. They don't win,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: but no, no, I win or lose the Super Bowl.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Obviously we were gonna come out with this episode and
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I think we already knew what the ending how we
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: wanted to end it, win or lose. So I think
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: people will see it and let them judge themselves and
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: then we'll talk about it afterwards. Yeah, well, we'll do
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: a breakdown like we did with the other episodes and
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: let people have their critiques and opinions on it, and
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: we'll talk about it. Yeah.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: The point I was trying to make too though with
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: just that is what was Terrell Williams kind of role
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: this year? And you know, how did he assimilate back
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: into the team. And I think he still was one
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: of those guys presenting to the defense, and you know,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: he always talks like they want to play, like that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: effort and finish thing, Like I just see Terrell Williams
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: seems like such a motivator and a guy who's fired
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: up in that regard, and I hopefully, I mean, I
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe there's some footage of him talking on
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: the team would be pretty cool.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: But yeah, we talked of Rabel at the combine, he's
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: kind of outligned with us too, like a little bit
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: more about the role is going to be very defense heavy,
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: very defense focused. But he mentioned you know, defensive line
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: and development on the defensive line, some coordinating type of
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: responsibilities in terms of, you know, making sure the front
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: is you know, kind of quality control type stuff up front.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: And then he also mentioned what you said, Fred, like
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: being an extension of Mike Rabel and carrying that culture
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: and making sure that everybody around the building is pulling
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: in the right direction and doing the right things and
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: preparing the right way and all that kind of stuff.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: But I think that this is as much as you know,
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: I hear what Deuce is saying about how unfortunate it
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: was that he kind of lost the opportunity. It kind
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: of feels like this role is sort of like what
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: he's really kind of meant to be doing. Whereas like
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: Zach Korr, I think is one of these guys that
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: is one of these up and coming play callers that
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: you know, has that sort of mind for the game
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: and that sort of thing, Whereas I think Terrell Williams
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: is like a mentor type, you know, someone that's really
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: there to develop not only players on the field, but
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: also them as humans and you know, develop them as
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: pros and you know, culture building and like all that
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: kind of stuff. So in a way I kind of
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: feel like it works perfectly to have those two guys together,
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: that Terrell Williams is going to be able to do
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: most of that, and then Zach Korr is going to
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: be the one kind of in the trenches calling the play.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: See a really good story. Though, to talk to him
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: this year about what is you know, going through what
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: he went through last year, how does that change you
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and what is his perspective on coaching now, I mean
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: it's a.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Tough probably appreciates it's more more than ever. Yeah, I
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: did want to talk about one email that came in
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: on Sunday. Usually I don't, you know, uh, talk about
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: emails that come in outside of the show. But anyway,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: this is from Simon and it's a long email, so
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to read it all. The bottom line
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: is he felt that he loves the show, but he
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: felt that over last year we became really one sided
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: to the positive, like we weren't as balanced as we
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: have been in the past, and like I was thinking
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: about it, I was like, oh, like it was a
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: good season that like everything was like you know, coming
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: up roses. So like, I don't know if there was
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: a lot to you know, be negative about. So yeah,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: I think I don't know if you guys have any
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: thoughts on that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: It's pretty like, I mean, they went fourteen and three
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: and made the Super Bowl. The quarterback was the runout
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: for MVP the coach one Coach of the Year. Like now,
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: I mean we came on here. I feel like after
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: every game and had our grievances and had our gripes
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: with certain things a catchwany do we do the good,
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: the bad, the stuff that gets you beat. So there
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: was plenty of times where we'd get to the stuff
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: that gets you beat and I'd be like, they beat
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: the Titans by three touchdowns. I don't really have much
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: this week, Like what do you.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Want me to say? Like I mean he said, you know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: we didn't really talk about Dig's legal issues. Well, I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: like what do we know? You know, Like what's the
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: point there? Like he was, He's saying one thing, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: you know, you just go with his words and it's
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: a legal thing until it gets sorted out. There's really
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: nothing to talk about cause you're gonna be just wrong
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: most of the time. And he said it even goes
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: for the segments like the good, the bad, and the injured.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: What used to be a genuinely balanced breakdown now feels
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: like the bad section has almost disappeared entirely, even when
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: there's clearly room for it. There were plenty of bad
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: discussions even when we were winning with Brady like, do
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: you feel that way? I don't know.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: A little, but I would just say when you go from,
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: you know, four and thirteen to fourteen and three, I
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: think the proportion of your analysis should adjust accordingly. I mean,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: you didn't like go nine to eight where every game
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: could have gone, you know, like they went fourteen and three.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: There was a period of time like in the middle
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: of the season when was was it the ten a
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: ten game winning streak? When how much time are we
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: spending on the problems? Like to me, the biggest problem
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: at some point, like in November and December was competition
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: and that ended up bearing out and when we got
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: to the playoffs, I think we spent a little more
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: time on the bad. Yeah, you know, after some of
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: the postseason wins, even because like the offensive line struggles,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: the offense in general struggles, they couldn't run the ball
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: in short yardage. I mean, I think, yeah, there was
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: some stuff to talk about, but I mean, when you
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: go fourteen to three and go to the super Bowl,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: yeah we're more positive.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: But it's not even just that. It's you went fourteen
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: to three coming off two four to win seasons. So
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the story was how did this happen? Had to be
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: good things that happened, so like it's only natural to
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: like focus and want to get those answers, like what's
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: going right here? Why is this happening, rather than dwell
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: on the negative, which to me would have seemed forced. Yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Like if you're forcing negative just so that people think
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: you're balanced, I think that would be disingenuous, because, like
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I said, you just came off two four win seasons,
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: the bottom of the league, and now you're at the
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: top of the league. That's the story.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I think two of Week one two years
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: ago when they beat the Bengals, and I remember that
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: postgame show where the general sentiment was this isn't going
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: to be good enough. This is you're not going to
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: be able to string together these kind of games. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: also think about some of the criticism that we gave
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Drake during the postgame show, and sometimes just by not
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: putting him on the good list, not even putting him
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: on the bad list, that people were you know, sometimes
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: annoyed with us that we didn't think he had a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: great game or you know. But again, they lost three games.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Two of them were in the first three weeks, and
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the other one they blew a lead against Josh Allen.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was kind of it. I would say, though,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: on the playoff games, I feel like we were pretty honest.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: I thought we spent a lot of time on the
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: bad list, even in victory in some of those postseason games,
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: because they didn't play as well as they had been
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: and there were more issues to be concerned about.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: We didn't get to do the Super Bowl postgame show
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that would have been pretty naked.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: That would.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Justin would agree said. Going off of memory, I felt
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: you guys were very balanced. When there were issues, all
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: of you were never afraid to bring them up, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: all the positives were covered fairly well. We just went
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: three straight years below five hundred negativity, be damn. You
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: guys are always very fair all around. So I have
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: to strongly disagree with Simon.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just hope that we are with football
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: and you know, look, it's a special situation where somebody
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: gets pinched and we can't be the ones to jump
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to outrage and how could he do this? Because what
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: happened with Diggs's situation, it got thrown out. So anything
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: we said is sorry, but it's still going on. Well
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: bar wars. You know, this is an example. You know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: see you never know, you never know, and we can't
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: be the ones to sit here and you know, kill
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the players over something that we don't have the information.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: It's great on Paul shows, they can do it. They
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: get you know, plenty of red meat out of it,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: as they should. But you know, that's the one limitation
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like we have being in the business book.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: If you want to talk about football good and the bad,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think anything's off the table.
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was you know, somebody that like started
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: outside and came inside.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: Like.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: The one thing that does like sometimes irk me is
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: when people are like, well you have to be positive,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: and it's like no, not really, liketball, there's stuff that
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: are that's maybe out of bounds, like Deuce is talking
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: about in terms of the legal stuff, that's just you know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: not in our best interest to necessarily be speculating and
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: all that kind of stuff. But I don't feel like
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: when it comes to football, like there's ever been like
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: big limitations of like being able to say they'd played
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: poorly this week, or this didn't go as well, or
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: that player didn't play as well or whatever. And so
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: you know, sometimes I do feel like that's almost like
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: a preconceived notion of what the show is like, because
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: you know, it is a team podcast, and so then.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: People be surprised when they listen, like, wow, you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I've heard that moment.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: I've heard that, you know, people that are, you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: my counterparts at other teams. When we go to places
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: like the Combine and stuff like that, people are always
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: shocked by how brutally honest they let us be.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: So this is for you, Simon. The Patriots offense didn't
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: play well in the Super Bowl? Happy now, happy.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: Any of the four playoff games? Okay, wait a minute, now.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Whoa whoa whoa?
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: Texans was better?
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Henry was all right? Anthony says it should be celebrated
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: for years to come. Talking about us was one hundred
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: percent right in the argument, and I was shocked to
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: see Paul shot to see Paul on the opposing side.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Give big deuces. Deserve respect and kudos to Paul for
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: owning it as.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Usual because it wasn't Fred, I'd still be arguing if
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: it was fresh now, I did not know about Bradley Chubb.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: That's a desperation wolf, I have to say, that's the
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: that's reeks of desperation. I just don't think the bills
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: are done, that's all.
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: They're not done because Josh, they're done now.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I think they're starting to feel the pressure a little bit.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I don't.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: Think about Michael B. Jordan winning Best Actor though tough.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: Chris in New Hampshire wants to talk about A. J.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Brown and I guess the latest on A. J. Brown
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: is everything's going to be kind of on the back
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: burner until June, which is kind of what we thought
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: because of the financial implications.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering how much competition is there right now,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: how many teams are really after AJ Brown's Broncos were
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: supposedly the other the late team that I heard, so
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: what you know, what the market.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Depends on the Eagles if they lower the price, and
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I think more teams will be interested.
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: I think negotiating with Howie Roseman is maybe one of
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: the most frustrating things in the world.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Smelling himself a little bit.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: I get the sense that he has his birdies in
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: the media that he's using to try to create a
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: trade market for AJ Brown that I don't think really
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: currently exists. Like now, all of a sudden, the Rams
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: were like super interested in AJ Brown and it just
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: happened that that was reported at the same time that
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: Dallas Goddard's deadline for his contract avoiding was coming up.
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: And then all of a sudden on Friday of last week,
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: there's all this a J Brown scuttle but like they
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: gotta make a decision here and then you know, nothing happens.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Russini came in hot with it, like you know, decisions
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: gonna be made, and then I was like, and no
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: decision is going to be made.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what's going on? It just this is all him playing,
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, the really built him up to be like
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: this master. He's a great naker and like, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: watch out you make a deal with him, check your
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: pockets after because he's gonna fleece you, And I think
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: maybe he's kind of like himself bought into that a
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: little bit. It just get that sense, what.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Would you what would you be willing to trade? If
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: you were Philadelphia? What would you be willing to accept
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: first and something else? But no one's offering that? So
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: is that him smelling his farts?
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: How do you know? We aren't?
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying I don't. I wouldn't give him away.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: I think he's I think he's right to be holding out.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: I think today's trade is another sort of push into
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: that direction. Jalen Wattle just got a first and a
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: third plus a fourth round pick swap. I like Jalen
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: Wattle a lot. I think he's probably a better player
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: right now than A J. Brown is. But AJ Brown
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: has had a more accomplished career. So if I were
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Howie Roseman, I wouldn't give him away. I think a
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: lot of people are criticizing the Eagles for not quote
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: being serious about trading him. Well, you just said Howie
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Roseman might be smelling his own farts. I mean, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: think he's doing the right thing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: I'm not giving away an asset for nothing.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: That was That was my point is like it's annoying
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: to negotiate with him because he's right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Didn't he want two first round picks and a player.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but like that we're starting, but you're but you're
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: also just like talking about a guy that's just not
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: going to back down from his asking price.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: And so like he's one of these gms. It's not
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: going to lose a trade. He's just not going to
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: lose the trade.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: And like so if you're the Patriots, if you want
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: aj Brown, they don't need to Pauls, they don't need
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: to trade.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: He's on the contrast, Sometimes it can be good for
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: both sides of trade. You don't have to lose.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: If he gets something, it's good for both sides. If
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: he gives him away, it's not good for them.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's telling him or thinking he's.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: I think people think that he's asking for too much.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: I don't. I think he's a good player, not.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: After some of the other trades that have had the
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: first round picks.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: No, I don't.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Well, that's what he was asking. I heard he turned.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: I heard that no one wants to give him a
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: first and a third. That's the Jayalen Waddle thing. So
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: if you heard that, I heard this, I don't know
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: what's true. Just going off of Twitter. I don't know
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: what they're you know, to your point, maybe you're right,
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: According to Jordan Shultz, the Eagles just signed Hollywood Brown
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: to one year deal.
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: What does it mean?
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: What does it mean?
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: But this is what I'm talking like, it's what do
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: it mean?
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: It's just caught like that. You know, you hear about
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: it a lot in the NBA, like Sam Presty with
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: the thunder. Like if Sam Presty calls you about a player,
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: like hang up the phone because he's about to just
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: like you're going to close your eyes and all of
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: a sudden, shake yildess Alexander is going to be gone
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: and winning MVPs in Oklahoma City. Like it's the same
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: thing with Howie Riseman, Like he's just he's he's a
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: fairly good at his job.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: If you're right, and there they were asking for two
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: first I wouldn't give two first for him, but i'd
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: give one and I and I know there's not a
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: lot of teams that want to give up a first
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: round pick for him. And if that's the case, if
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: I were Howie Roseman, I'd keep them.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think each team is different, their situation is different.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: I think for the Patriots situation where your first round
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: picks with thirty one and you clearly don't have that guy,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I think for us it makes sense.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: They want to give it a twenty seven first round pick.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: That's fine. I mean, you mean if we had the
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: twenty seventh.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: No, if a twenty twenty seven first, oh oh nope,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: that made me lest we wanted to do it. No,
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: if the Eagles want don't want the thirty first pick,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: they want the twenty twenty seven, Nope, no, hard This
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: is what I'm saying. If I'm how and I don't
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: think you're wrong. Everybody, everybody is in agreement that next
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: year's draft.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: But I don't think that's unreasonable.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: I'm not giving up any the twenty twenty seven first
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: round pick.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: No, there's a good chance it's a better pick than
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: thirty first.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, but you know what, happefully not too much.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: But like.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: Even if it isn't like we're talking, there's going to
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: probably be i'd say comfortably at least six, if not seven,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: wide receivers that are going to be worthy first round
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: picks in twenty twenty seven.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, now you don't need one because you got one.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: Well, but like it would be well draft, get at
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: rookie ones. I ain't giving up anything in the twenty
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: twenty seven draft yet, not until we get into this
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: season and we see grass Is Oways greener, what the
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty seven draft, what their fall season looks like,
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: if we get to the trade deadline, and maybe some
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: of the hype, but the twenty seven draft was a
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: little bit overblown, then maybe you would just then. But
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: I'm not touching twenty twenty seven, and I think we're
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: seeing it across the league that teams are are hoarding
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: twenty twenty seven draft picks and trying to even get
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: more picks into twenty twenty seven than they possibly can.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Chris in New Hampshire says his title is pathetic simps
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: oh geez AJ Brown AJ Brown, AJ Brown. The pitiful
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: simping of fans and media vermin is gross, shameful and weird.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Sounds like a shot gpt here that bro is not
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: coming here mark this email. I am correct. The thirsty
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: nature of these weaklings has become intolerable. Let it go
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: and let him go. The AJ Brown obsession is unhealthy.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: This email is a guarantee he won't be a Patriot
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: and everyone will be Okay. If somehow I'm wrong, I'll
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: write into acknowledging my mistake. Please Fred, hang up on
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: callers and don't read the emails. Treat this Philadelphia Wide
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: receiver as he who shall not be named.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Wow, I understand, maybe not as strongly as the one
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: in the I don't want AJ Brown category.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: It has gotten to the point of annoyance.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: Mike's point I heard with the AJ Brown crap was
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: just dumping on me on THEOC every day, like you
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: have to have one of the insiders have another hit
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: on NFL Network with Ian Rapaport saying the same thing
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: about AJ Brown that he said two days ago, but
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: still trying to drum up the excitement or drum up
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: the hype of a potential trade.
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: And it could be imminent. It might not be imminent.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: It actually isn't happening. Oh it could happen, like we're
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: just I'm done with it too.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, it goes back to his draft when he
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: was like excited to be here and then you know
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the Nikhil Harriet it all and so like the connections
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: go back. But I just it seems unique to me.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know if other teams are out there being like, God,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: we'd love to get a J.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Brown.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you know teams are generally, but our fans
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: covering a single player as much as Patriot fans have
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: coveted AJ Brown.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, Cynthia right, No one can ever
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: accuse Paula being overly positive.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: The crew clearly.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Outline areas for improvement, even on the wins. Maybe Simon
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: only heard the positive because proportionally there were more of it.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: The season was exponentially better than anticipated, even with the
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: devastating Super Bowl loss. We're on a twenty twenty six.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: One thing we can be sure of is there will
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: be good, bad and ugly and it will be amazing
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: to watch.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: So there you go and injured unfortunately.
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I would just say that I try to
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: take each game individually and not be clouded by the
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: record or the past or the future whatever, and what
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: we see each week. And Mike and I talk a
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: lot as we're walking down from the press box on
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: home games, and certainly we talked the whole game. On
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: the road games, we adjust based off what we see.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: It's not like, you know what, we've been a little
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: bit too positive lately. Let's let's take the other side,
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: or you know what, we've been beating the crap out
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: of him lately. You know, let's, you know, if they
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: if we feel like things are pretty good. And I
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: think Mike's point about Drake May, I think is really accurate.
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: There are times where we sort of have him in
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: no man's lands. Well, he made a great throat to
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: Hunter Henry, you know, against the Chargers for a touchdown.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: But you know, aside from what he did with his legs,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: he wasn't overly. So it's like he's not on the
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: good list, he's not on the bad list. He's just
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: sort of rides in between. And I think there were
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: a handful of games like that down the stretch. Anyway.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Jeff in Canada wants to know if the Patriots
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: were in on Waddle, Miami probably wouldn't have traded it
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: to us anyway.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: I would agree with that. Yeah, I would find it
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: hard to believe that Miami would have wanted to help
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: out a division team unless we just blew him away
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: with the by far the best offer.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, how how would you see him fitting in
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: with Dobbs too, just to play the play the game
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: of you know?
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: Is that pretty well?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: That fits well.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: Stretcher like you like Wattle. Wattle's got great speed like
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: you know, and I think that Dobbs is more of
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: like a possession, chain moving type of receiver. You probably
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: wouldn't like have like I guess, unless you consider Matt Collins,
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: and you wouldn't have like the center on your basketball team,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: like you wouldn't have the guy that's gonna win the
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: ball down the field and do that sort of thing.
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: But those would have been two fun guys to have together.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: What do you do you guys think, if if this
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Aj Brown thing or any trade really has to happen
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: at June first, how does that affect your draft plans?
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Because you won for one, Dobbs for Digs, so you
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: basically have your whole receiving core coming back at least
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: under contract. You know, do you draft the guy and
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: try to get him to push somebody off the roster
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: or do you not draft a guy? Because if you
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: draft a guy and then you get Aj Brown, you know,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and that might be fine. You might want to push
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: two guys off. That's fine, but it's just a numbers
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: issue right now. Where your room is what it was
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: last year. So any addition you make aj Brown rookie whatever,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: or he's going to start to get into the territory
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: of pushing guys like Pop Douglas and Kyle Williams and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Matt Collins down down the duth chart. I
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: wonder how you approach that.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: It's but I think you're in a position where if
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: you can make any unit better, you got to do it. Yeah,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: you know, and if that pushes somebody off the roster,
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: so be it. You know, like you're always looking to upgrade.
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: It's a tough spot to be in with it, though,
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: because it's going to happen after the draft, right and
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: so if they do revisit it after the draft and
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: Eagles put you know, the beacon out there that he's.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Available, do you know what pushes two people?
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: Do New teams start coming back in that maybe didn't
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: get their receiver in the draft, and now all of
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: a sudden there's four teams that are interested.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Again, and it two first rights.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: We're going right back down the rabbit hole again. Uh,
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: you know it's it's a risk. It's a risk to
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: wait until after the draft without any real way to pivot.
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: If he doesn't they don't land him, then you kind
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: of put yourself in a position where like you have
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: to just be the best offer.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: I'll take the boring way out and just say either way,
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: you got to sort of stick to your board. You know,
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: you if the receiver you know, and I'm just talking
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: about a thirty one, if the receiver is your best player,
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: then I think you have to take it, even if
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: you think you might you may be getting a J.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Brown because you guys are right. I mean, they're going
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: to have an idea of right now, we kind of
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: think a J. Brown's on the backburn until June first. Well,
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: they might say they might know right now that there's
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: no way, there's no scenario that we're getting a J. Brown.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: That might be out they'd know that. But either way,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: to me, I think you have to stick to your board.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: You don't want to reach, and I wouldn't ignore or receive.
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't say, well, I'm going to go to the
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: next thing on the board because we don't need a receiver.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: We're getting a J Brown unless it's like a huge
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: gap between players, Like I think you just stick.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Especially when there's so many that are you know, throwing
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: weaknesses or things that don't But there's so many exciting options,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: like whether you're a fan of a big guy who
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't run that great or a little guy who runs great,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Like at that rookie contract price, at that place where
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: you're like, boom, this guy is locked in. We might
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: even have a fifth year option on him. There's just
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: so much appeal to me in that that it's hard
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: to like put that off if you really believe in
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the guy, I guess to your point, if you love him,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: take them.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of you know, conversations this time
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: of year about like surplus value and like the quarterback
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: rookie contracts obviously number one, but you can make a
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: really good case that receiver, you know, really good receivers
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: on rookie contracts is like the number two most valuable
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: thing to have because those guys are making thirty plus
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: million dollars a year and we just saw alp Pierce,
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: you know, signed for twenty nine million dollars a year
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: like that. That's a big contract and so if you
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: have that player for four years, maybe even five with
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: the fifth year option under team control, Now you need
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: to hit like it needs to be a good player.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: But if you can do that, that's sort of the
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: perfect storm of Now you have quarterback on a rookie
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: contract for another couple of years and a number one
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: receiver on a rookie contract. Like, if that opportunity is there,
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: then I think you got to take it.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Derek and Auburn writes in he says the open reminded
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: me of another team living rent free in Mike's head,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: the Giants. I personally feel nothing negative for the Giants.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: We had so many preseason games with them. It's where
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: Bill came from, et cetera. But losing to the Ravens
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs or losing the foot game to the
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Jets affected me way more than that second Giant Super
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Bowl loss. We were frauds that year, wondering what teams
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: are living rent free? For the crew who lives rent
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: free in your head?
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: A Patriots nobody. I spend way too much time thinking
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: about the Patriots.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean that's different though, not to think
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: about the Patriots.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's a little of the Bills.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I mean that's you know, your biggest rival, that's you know,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: if you had to pick one team you want to
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: beat every year. They're the best other team in the division.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if they live rent free in
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: my head, but I'm very curious how they manage Josh Allen.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: I think Josh Allen is a great player, and I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: just think his journey as a quarterback is fascinating, especially
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: when we get to this point where you know he's
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: doing everything he possibly can, including turning the ball over,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: you know, And I mean he just completed the game?
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Is him now? And so it's just and I also
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: just wonder. I know, Buffalo hasn't been to a super
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Bowl since the nineteen hundred, so you know that fans are.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Like, we got a guy like you got to cash in.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: I know what the pressure.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's the very definition, that's the very definition
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: of a team lives in.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I just start charging him rent. I could use that money.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: But but look, I mean I got super obsessed with
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the Patriots when they lost in the playoffs and five
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: that first Brady lost because time's a ticking and you
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: only have so many bites at.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: The Apple, Well, at that point you didn't realize it.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: But you know you thought maybe you had five or six.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: But like at that point, you're saying, we have the
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: best board young quarterback in the game, we have the
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: best coach in the game. What are the challenges going
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: to be to keep this? Look at this defense, it's
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: all you know. So I just know as a fan
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: when I looked at we've got, it's all clicking for
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: us right now.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: But we all know it's a couple.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Of plays here and there and you're losing an AFT
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: championship game, or you know, you one year your defense
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: is little down, and you know it's just it's so
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: fickle and you want to maximize having this player when
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  Speaker 2: you do well.
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: I would think the closest team right now, I would
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: have to say is the Bills, because they're our biggest
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: rival right now, and their fans are so obnoxious that
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: you know, like I can't stomach them winning a Super Bowl.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: You know, don't have to worry about that.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think I have one.
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: I don't have one either. I think maybe they have
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: to care.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I think that no about the other teams about anything.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Oh, I like the NFL. That's that's that's ridiculous, that's untooled.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: I feel like it's, uh, my life has only been winning,
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: so like why would it like there's nobody to hate.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Like when I think of Evan Lazar, I think of winning.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: I mean like I was born in ninety two and
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: the Patriots have been to ten Super Bowls.
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: So I guess that's the kind of the way I
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: look at it. Like when I was when I was
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: a kid, when I was like fifteen, it would have
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: been Miami. Actually, Miami was the team that lived in
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: my head because they always won the division. They were
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: always the team. I don't really feel like I have
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: one of those teams.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I think I think Kansas City got a little out
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: of my head this year. It's just not making the playoffs.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I still I didn't fully except they could be back,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: but like you know, they're just they were the best
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: team and I was sick of them.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Other than the Bills, you know, during the Rex Ryan years,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: certainly the Jets, I was great.
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we went a whole five years without going to
• 46:31
  Speaker 6: you know, the play Oh my god. It was like
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: like I don't know, like it just I've never I
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: haven't known enough, like like the Giants like obviously irk
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: me just because like really because of a way like
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: you know, we should have had you know, we should
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: have had the perfect season, but I did too much success.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: I mean yeah, but like they they're not an obnoxious
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: franchise or their fan base. I don't think is obnoxious
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: the Giants. But yeah, I know, but he's he's a
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: good guy, like you know, you know, just to not
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: like Eli, you know all them, I make it pretty
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: other than he'd beat you twice, right, Yeah, I don't know.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I to have like a visceral you know, bad feeling
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: about a team for them to be in my head
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: like I did about Rex. Ryan had a little.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: I had a little for Denver too in the in
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: the in the early nineties when they couldn't beat Away. Yeah,
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: I feel like that that we are the one to
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: better live renfree and and other like where that's us
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Like where the Red three team.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: When I was young, you.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Know, the Pistons, you know, couldn't stand the Pistons, like
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: losing to the dirty rotten Pistons.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I want to feel this way though, like I enjoyed
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: when Ryan was in my head and I would they
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: be like here will Rex Ryan. He called it the
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: season take a hold of what you know, like like
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I just it might be more invested
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: than I'm just like it was great for the rivalry. Yeah,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I love feeling something about a team like I feel
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: like right now with this move of the bottle, like
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: based on what the Broncos were saying after the AFC Championship,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: like I'm a little annoyed with them right now, Like
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: they were a little in my head, Brent Free, I'm like,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: you know, BONNICKX, let's come to Gillette next Stadium.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: You're not in my head, but you got something. And
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: I saw Sean Payne walking around the combine, I was like,
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: you asked, whoa, whoa. I don't care for the I
• 48:22
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• 48:24
  Speaker 9: That he said, you know, not even just a walked
• 48:26
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• 48:28
  Speaker 9: you a trip to the super not even just about
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: the Patriots, Like he just took like shots at every
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: team they played all year, like the Jaguars, Like, oh
• 48:37
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• 48:39
  Speaker 6: What was like, you're you play in Denver, dude, Like
• 48:41
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• 48:43
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• 48:45
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  Speaker 8: Your thoughts, I mean, I understand it to be big,
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  Speaker 13: Much do you know about the other receivers when you're
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  Speaker 7: That's that's a great question. It's just I'm just grateful, Brough,
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  Speaker 5: Personal You guys have a chance to talk about maybe
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• 52:47
  Speaker 5: backs have been and it's early been the off season
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  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, yeah, we have and you know, I look
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  Speaker 7: forward to that real soul.
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  Speaker 8: But again, then Drake's a great guy, lazing quarterback and
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  Speaker 7: Unless do you think this is the perfect fit for
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  Speaker 8: I think it's really good for my career, you know,
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  Speaker 8: just from the sequence of events that has went on
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  Speaker 8: within the last who knows what it can be weak
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  Speaker 8: months X amount of years and super blessed. I'm very grateful.
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  Speaker 8: I'm very painful to be exactly where do you smile
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  Speaker 8: once you're quiet? You seem like you're quiet. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 8: yes I do, I do, because I know that's been aished,
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  Speaker 7: I am, I do smile, I am doing me. I
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  Speaker 7: do have emotions. But getting injury baud right, would you
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  Speaker 7: look like you enjoyed the case?
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  Speaker 4: Sorry I loved a guest. Yes, why.
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  Speaker 7: Just that's where I come from. I grew up in
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  Speaker 7: a harsh area of South LA and.
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: God that his biggest part injuries about in me and
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  Speaker 8: every step that he can possibly make for me and
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: obviously just allow me to understand some things or walk
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: into some things that I didn't really know what I
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: was getting myself into, allowing me the band real experience for.
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  Speaker 5: That for me, Like you've improved and added to your
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: bag every year of your career, is there a certain
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: area of growth in your particular A.
• 54:34
  Speaker 7: Crowd of.
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: Just yeah, I mean just the reflection of being a
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: ball player and obviously aligning with that off the field.
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: As well, and just just understanding that.
• 54:51
  Speaker 8: As much as being the best player that I can
• 54:54
  Speaker 8: be for this team is important, that being the best person.
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: That I can be off the field just as important.
• 55:02
  Speaker 8: I'm sorry if this didn't ask before, but how is
• 55:04
  Speaker 8: it to come into a team with the expectations that
• 55:06
  Speaker 8: they just made a super Bowl?
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Like you're coming in with winning expectations right away?
• 55:10
  Speaker 7: Does that excite you at all? Yes? Yes, I.
• 55:15
  Speaker 8: Understand what winning, what winning is, I know what it
• 55:18
  Speaker 8: looks like, and yeah, I just feel that just based
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: on what I have done thus far, there's a lot
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: more for improvement for me to just grow and keep
• 55:35
  Speaker 8: understanding what that it's like.
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  Speaker 7: So appreciate it.
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: Thank you, Reuby. What do you think you've grown the
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: mouse since you entered the unevolvement.
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: I've just been a ball player, obviously understanding the position
• 55:50
  Speaker 8: very well and continuously just finding a way to keep
• 55:54
  Speaker 8: understanding it.
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: And yeah, just.
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: Understanding what teams mean we're playing special teams means just
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: speeding up the process of being a.
• 56:09
  Speaker 7: Veteran to some degree.
• 56:10
  Speaker 8: It was just a lot that has went on, and
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: I just understand that moving forward, with these years to come, that.
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: I will grow in all areas from football to life.
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: Holler round, maybe.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: What'd say to you?
• 56:26
  Speaker 12: You know most about this opportunity who started to develop
• 56:29
  Speaker 12: and started over on the Patriots is a place where
• 56:31
  Speaker 12: you could end up.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: What was the most exciting part about the honest play?
• 56:36
  Speaker 7: Uh, the most exciting part was the history that this.
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: Organization has and it's a lot of winning football and
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: playing in this league. The statistical factors is one thing.
• 56:53
  Speaker 8: Maybe someone is getting some individual accoladus another, but it
• 56:59
  Speaker 8: ultimately comes out the weather and I think that's purple.
• 57:02
  Speaker 12: What ex such about the wide receiver as well, where
• 57:05
  Speaker 12: stuff like last year even you're gigs here was more
• 57:08
  Speaker 12: than was any individuals.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: What do you see from that group and is that
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: a factor as well in any work with them?
• 57:14
  Speaker 12: And Drake say that over the time Drake as well,
• 57:18
  Speaker 12: in addition to the wire or what stands out to
• 57:20
  Speaker 12: you you.
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: Uh, just being able to continue to continue to grow
• 57:25
  Speaker 8: together as a unit. And I emphasize, you know, just
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: my time at Green Bay where you know, all of
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: us as receivers from myself to Jayden to Christian or
• 57:38
  Speaker 8: Dn Tavian, which we all came in as a unit.
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: And I feel that with myself being here, I can
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: be able to continue that because I think I've manye.
• 57:47
  Speaker 13: There for the mind, how about how close this team
• 57:50
  Speaker 13: was Twinny Championship last year, Andrews, I feel like to
• 57:54
  Speaker 13: you this group coming in, you guys are all ready
• 57:57
  Speaker 13: to take that next staff and finish.
• 57:59
  Speaker 7: The the Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, I don't know.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah this why so?
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, man?
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: Because it's it's experienced all around the room, from from
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: the from it can be from from the oldest guy
• 58:17
  Speaker 8: in the room going down. It's just experience all around.
• 58:21
  Speaker 8: And again it'll it'll only get better room for it. Uh,
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: I'm excited man, and cateat.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: And this lasting what what do you want Patriots fans?
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: No that like, who are you as a flair and
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: an individual?
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: And what do you vote to port on tape here.
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: New England.
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: Uh, we'll get to know someone who is very grounded,
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: who was very humble and most importantly to to themselves,
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: which comes in some form of self self respect, authenticity,
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: right sir, and.
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: Just knowing that I'm here to work and I'm going
• 59:00
  Speaker 7: to be here for anything other good lady.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And now great moments in.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: History, you know in the media area down by the
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: rope there and all of a sudden this you know, Paul,
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: guys like that's Jason Tatum. I have to admit I
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  Speaker 4: was a little bit starstruck.
• 59:30
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: You know he's tall, and you you let me finish
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: my sentence.
• 59:40
  Speaker 14: Then you see Tatum standing next to an offensive lineman
• 59:44
  Speaker 14: or like a massive behemoth of it of a d tackle,
• 59:48
  Speaker 14: and you're like, Tatum's really effing tall.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: Like this new surgery, I know it's going to have
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  Speaker 5: him back before this starts.
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  Speaker 6: Can you let me have some hope, Paul for some seconds.
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• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: Say we're playing in New York when it happened.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: So that's why she only had the surgery that night.
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  Speaker 4: I have a well, you know they have throw pillows
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  Speaker 4: and all all kinds of stuff, But I have like
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: a temper pedic pillow which is nice, but it's too thin.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: I need something with a little bit more heft that
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: will get you know, fill that space between the shoulder
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: and the neck, you know, beside sleeper. So if anyone
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: has any, you know, I want the best pillow. Money
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: is no object. I think memory memory foam. I I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: lean toward that.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 7: That's what I figured.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but does that like fill the though, like if
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: you got it kind of bunched up between his ear.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: WHOA, I was gonna I was gonna say something, but
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: you just read the bobs read. So maybe I'll tell
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: you about this afterwards, because it's.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: So if anyone can anyone has discovered, much like I
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: discovered the best of other products, if you've discovered the
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: best pillow, please share.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: Well.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: It's so hard to do because when you're shopping for
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: a pillow, you can't really test it out, and then
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: all pillows get broken in, so you know, when you start,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: the starting point when it's in the store is completely
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: different than when you actually like get the pillow in,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: you know, broken into your head and sleeping soule.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: So it's really hard.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: I understand why you're asking for this bread.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of people have this.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: You just kind of wing it. You're like, just try
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: this one.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: It's a journey.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Then you get one of those ones it's like feathers
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: and it gets all like separated out and you've got
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: like thin parts and thick parts. I mean, you can't
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: do feathers anymore, right, But I don't know.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Can't you do feathers anymore? No, it's allergies maybe, Oh,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: if you have allergies, you can't do it. You could
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: never do it.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: You get like the little the little parts poking in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: the face from the feathers, you know when they.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: Feel like those are like a big feather. Memory foam
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: or temper pedic or whatever.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: What pillows do you guys do?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: I don't even know.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Actually was a present though, as I think it was
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: more because my wife saw my pillow without a pillowcase
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: and was like, that's gross you're getting because you know
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: what it looks like when you take the pillow case off.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd be drooling, you know, wedding.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: Don't you have a pillow case for that?
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: We do, but you know underneath sometimes it gets through
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: and then you look, you're like this one, how much you're.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 4: What do you use?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: I don't really know.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: I don't have anything.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Is it memory foam?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 8: No?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 10: No?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: No, But Beth has a memory phone, but she has
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: definitely rotated a few different versions because she has a similar.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: Issue that you do.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: Okay, Evan, you don't sleep, so it doesn't matter.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 6: It's my sitting up watching my pillow was purchased a
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: competitor to the grade Bob's discount furniture. So I'm going
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: to keep it to myself, Okay, I don't want to
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: get us in.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: Trouble, all right, Kristen, all right after me? Eight five five,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: pass five hundred. Let's go to the phones people have
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: been holding on. We'll go to Zach in New Hampshire.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: What's up Zach?
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 16: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 17: Oh, if both Cassius Howell and Zion Young are available
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 17: at thirty one, who would you, guys lean towards.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 18: And you know, who's the better scheme fit, who has
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 18: the higher ceiling?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, I think that's a good question.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: It's just for your mock draft or you're preparing your
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: mock that.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well we talked to me and we talked a little. Yeah,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: I mean Evan laid out.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe Zion Young not quite the measurables they might want.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: But Cashus Howel's got short arms, you know, and he
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't maybe have the exact dimensions. I think Cashus Howel
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: plays with his hair on fire and seems like that
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: kind of guy. But there's a certain appeal to me
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: of Zion Young's length, and you know, is necessarily what
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: they had last year? Is that the rule? Or is
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: that what they had? Would they mind having a bigger
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: guy that that you know, maybe can do a little
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: some things differently?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 10: What was the guy?
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: Was reported Patriots were having a thirty visit with OT,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 4: a safety handful of them. I thought it was an
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: OT that they well, they've had about five reported ones
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: at this point.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: I was, I was intrigued by the same Emanuel McNeil Warren. Yeah,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: he's he's a fun player. We can talk about him
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: in a second. To answer the callers question, my hesitation
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: was Zion Young is that he's two sixty five, two seventy,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: and I think that he's probably naturally more of a
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 6: player that plays inside the tackles instead of outside the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: tackles as like a stand up rusher, just the way
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 6: you know his big body, you know, big frame.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: Long arms.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: So I don't know if he's necessarily the type of
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: fit perfectly in their scheme right now where you know
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 6: it's cash is howled like the coms for cash as howl.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: A lot of the times are Harold Landry, Like he's
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: a guy that's built with speed and with bend around
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: the edge and aggressiveness and just sort of a nose
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: for the football. So he seems to be more of
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: their natural fit. You know, du just mentioned the arm length,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: but I think that's why he would be available at
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: thirty one. Like you're picking thirty one now, like you're
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: not picking fourth where you can just kind of have
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: the pick of the litter. So if he fallows to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: thirty one because of his arm length, I feel pretty
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 6: comfortable taking my chances on a guy that I think
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: is a top twenty talent in this draft that might
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 6: not have the ideal measurables and that's why he's slid
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: a little bit. I like Zion Young in terms of
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: his play style. I just I don't know if it's
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 6: a fit. There was some offield stuff too that they
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: would have to get through as well, but I put TJ.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Parker in that kind of group. Two from Clemson is
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: another like, yeah, edge, late, first edge that's available. That's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: a common target in some of the mock drafts.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, power oriented, you know, like that's a he's a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: speed to power bowl rusher, physical player, you know, pretty
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: good though. I like him, and you know, a key
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 6: Mesidor from Miami's sort of like the cluster, like I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: think Arboys and Thomas has kind of dropped off maybe
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: a little bit into the Day two conversation early day two,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: but already visits. You know, the ones that we know
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: of as of right now, there's about four or five
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: of them are Mason Thomas is one of them. And McNeil.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: Warren was on Kay Adams' podcast yesterday and said that
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: he's been here and had a thirty visit with him
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: as well. So he's a safety, but you know, he
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 6: draws to me a lot of similarities to Nick amm
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: and Warry with Seattle, where he's like kind of like
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: a box nickel safety that can really play all over
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: the defense at all three levels and do a bunch
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 6: of different things. Physical, big dude like six three fifteen
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: to ten, really good play strength, really good open field tackler,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: can take on blocks, can play a little bit in
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: the deep part of the field if you want him
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: to do that. He's he's a really impressive player.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder with him too, And like just to say
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of these like mock drafts, you look at
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: or do. It feels like safety and defensive tackle are
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: two positions that, at least in mock drafts for where
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: do they count seem to kind of fall a little bit.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: And there's you know, a bunch of really high rated
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: defensive tackles there, you know, v skuy. I wonder if
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: that could feed into the concerns with coverage on the linebackers,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: and maybe we take go a little bit more three
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: safety and we use one of those kind of guys
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: to handle tight ends rather than putting it on Spoleene, Like,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: you know, could you evolve the scheme a little bit
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: that way by drafting a third safety to play with
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: with buyer to that's been I thought.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: They didn't play enough dime last year, and I just
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 6: really feel like that's the one thing that you see
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: a lot of these defenses like Seattle do that just
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: causes a lot of flexibility because you can you can
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: still maintain your structure of having those two safeties deep.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: But then this third geit safety is kind of like
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: a free player, and you can kind of just play
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: games with him, whether he's blitzing, whether he's playing like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: at the second level as a robber, whether he's manning
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: up tight ends, like he just sort of becomes like, hey,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: you know, he can put out fires like wherever you
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: kind of see a game plan concern. That's exactly where
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 6: Seattle used him and worry and why he had such
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: a great rookie year was because he was just all
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: he's playing, you know, a role that was sort of
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: very game plan specific, and they used him in a
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: multitude of different ways, whereas like Bayern and Woodson are
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: more like, you know, typical safety type players.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: If you can get a guy like Kyle Hamilton, then
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: you're all set.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and and but like that's sort of like the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 6: apex right and em and warriors like come pretty close
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: to it honestly as a rookie. But you know, that
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: type of player is what McNeil Warren is kind of
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: touted as, like that, that's the sort of dude. We're
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: talking about.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Herm's in DC. What's up? Herm? Herm? Herm is gone. Well,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: he was on the phone for over an hour, so
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: I don't blame him about talking over each other. David
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Maine says, the great podcaster Joe Rogan makes all his
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: guests wear headphones, and he says that when you're hearing
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: your own voice and headphones, you won't talk over each other.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Maybe try that, Fred, I like I rather like not
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: having headphones. I like himphones. You like headphones.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: I why I can hear myself?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 7: I can. I don't know.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: I can't hear yourself now, No, but I hear how.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: There's a difference between actually hearing how you're speaking. I
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: think I enjoy it more.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 7: I mean we do.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: We do it for the outside ones when we do
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: the trade.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: When you're outside, you got a lot of stuff going on.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: But I think it limits some of the talking over.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: It also limits my joke telling. When I do jokes
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: under my breath, not everyone can hear them all the time.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: So I think it limits my one of my biggest
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: The headphones make you because you guys can hear when
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I do a little yeah that's not what he said.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: I do a little thing like that, and then you
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: don't hear it because so that you have the mic
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: in front of your mouth.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: So it's the mic that's helping you, not the headphone.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Well, it's helping you guys hear what I'm saying.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: So I'll throw myself on the grenade, because let's face it,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: this is everybody's this is directed at me. I'm the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: one who argues, probably talks over people. So I will
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: no longer do that. I will do my best to
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: not you know, make the show entertaining me.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: You'll still yell at me once in every six years.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: I have never once been offended by talking over me
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: or anybody else.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: It's just hard to hear.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: Oh God, and the commounts of complaints that that people
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: have for those types of things, Like it's like that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: you really spend time work like complaining about yeah, every
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 6: now and then hell breaks going on. You know you
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: can't you're talking over people or you know this, this
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: person's doing that and that person's It was like, just
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: just listen to the show.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: As a loser who listens to a lot of talk
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: radio and a lot of stuff like this, the ones
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: that I find entertaining and worth listening to are the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: ones that I find the most authentic. And when you
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: get someone that's like really worked up about something, it's
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: hard to fake that. Now do people have faux outrage
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: all the time, But you can tell, oh, you can
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: tell when it's fake, Like Mike, I could tell immediately
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: last week was really into the Bills take. And that's
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: why I attacked because I knew it was real. And
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: I didn't do it because, oh this is great, let's argue.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: I did it because I legitimately disagreed with him, And
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: I think that's healthy debate. I think that's what makes
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: this medium entertaining. Now, sometimes when you do that, when
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: you really feel strongly about the side you're talking about,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: there are going to be times when two guys are talking.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: I thought his rant yesterday about the NCAA basketball was
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: a little bit faux.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: Well you're talking about you're talking about. I heard that
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: rant yesterday, and it's a typical mic thing. You're conflating
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: two different things and you're making it all to be
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: the same. He hates people talking about their brackets. I
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: do too, and I think most people do. I always
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: say this, No one cares about your golf game. No
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: one cares about your brackets or your fantasy football team. Right,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: No one cares about any of that stuff.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: Are your kids' sports?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: That's another one.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: Okay, sorry to the people at this table.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: He can he like extrapolates. You won't hear anybody talking
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: about the NCAA basketball tournament here.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, okay, well that's great because.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: You don't know anything about it. No one's allowed to
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: talk about it. No one wants to go on your
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: show and say I have Austin p which was his
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: example in the Final four. Right, that's not what people
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: want to do.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: But you're not going to talk about the whole tournament.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: Around here, they wear it as a badge of honor
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: that they know absolutely zero about college football or college basketball. See,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: and that's somehow something that they're proud of, two of them.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 6: I think that the part to me that confuses me
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 6: about that is I'm not I don't have a team
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: to root for, and I don't have a dog in
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: the fight. I used to root for Duke, to be
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 6: honest with you, but I don't like I go there.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: So it's not like a big, strong allegiance. But I
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: just it helps me in my day job to know
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: the players in the draft that are playing in these games. Yes, so, like,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 6: even though you might not be a college sports fan,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: at some point, Cameron Boozer is going to be playing
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: the Celtics in a big game that you're gonna have
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: to talk about and it's good to know who the
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: heck Cameron Boozer is. And I just like that's the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: part that I don't understand.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: It couldn't have been any more perfectly illustating. And I
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: love you guys, know. I love Mike and TONI I
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: love going on this shows, but I think that they're
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: full of crap a lot of the time, and this
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: is one of them. The perfect example is last year
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: what Evan's talking about, Tony Maz really didn't have a
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: clue as to who Cooper Flag was.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, I remember that he really didn't like he was,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: like he was just overrated because a he didn't know
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: who he was and then be he found out he
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: was white, and like that made him over from me,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: And you know, Cooper Flag, I don't know how great
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: he's going to be, you know, over the balance of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 5: his career, but he's obviously every bit worthy of the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: number one overall pick. And that a fine rookie year,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: albeit for a terrible team.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: Well I mean, I think it even better if it
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: wasn't on a terrible team. I remember Maz gave that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: take and Cooper Flag was on the USA Select team,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: which is like the B team that goes to the
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: camp to practice. It's like the practice squad for a
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: team USA. And Cooper Flag in the select team like
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 6: played a down to the wire game against the actual
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 6: USA basketball team, and after the game, Lebron James said
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: Cooper Flag was the best player on the court for
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: either team. And Tony Mas goes on the radio and
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: is like.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: He's a bump, and I was just like, yeah, you
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: guys don't like college sports, and that again, you don't
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: have to like everything that I like. I mean, I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: really like hockey and a lot of people don't. It's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: a niche sport, the NHL hockey in general. I watch
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: a lot of college hockey. A lot of people don't
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: watch it. I'm not offended by it in any way.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: For some reason, they take offense if you like sports
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: and they don't. Well, I don't really understand.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: My psychological profile of Mike is that he resents the
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: fact that he has to work so hard to maintain
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: his Nantucket lifestyle, so he has no time for people
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: who actually have the passion for things like college and
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: it comes out. It comes out. You can tell that
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: he would rather be not doing this, but he has
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: to do it.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: It's like, you know, like I said, with the draft,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: like they go they have barth on this time of
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: year and they make fun of him for knowing all
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: these players. And it's like, you know, Indiana and Miami
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: just played in the College football National Championship. There was
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: twenty NFL players on the field in that game. So
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: if you paid any second of attention to that, like
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: we how many times, Douce have we brought up Omar
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: Cooper Junior or a keey mesador or any of the
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: guys that played in that game, and like you would
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 6: at least have some sort of like be oh, yeah,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: I remember him. He played in the National Championship, and
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: they're pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: It's good to speak with some basis of knowledge.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: Right, But that's an NFL. That's you know, not even
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: talking about it being a college football thing.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: But you could also be in between that, like you
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: don't have to know every single guy, no, but it helps,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: But you also don't have to close your eyes and
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: go out of your way not to know any of them, right,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: which is what they do right, right?
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  Speaker 7: All right?
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  Speaker 4: What's really important? A Pillows in Stacy in California has
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: a suggestion, what do you got Stacey bring it to me.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 16: Well, my son researches everything kind of like you do, Fred,
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 16: and I've appreciated your suggestions throughout the years. I'm still
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 16: trying to get my husband to buy a speed Queen,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 16: but his recommendation. I bought it for him. He loves it,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 16: and then I bought it two other people and they
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 16: love it.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: Is a pillow cube. Pillow cube, Okay.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 16: It's one of those things you got to buy online.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 16: I'm not getting a kickback. I don't own any interest
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 16: in the company. One of those things comes in a box,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 16: you know.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: Like those mattresses do, and then it like yeah, it's compressed,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: and then it comes out. Yeah.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: They sold over one point five million.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, pillow cube. All right, I'm gonna go do my research.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: Thanks Stacy, all right, thank you. Steve from Pittsburgh writes
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: in I recently bought my side sleeper wife who has
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: a long struggle depth shoulder problem pain. That's me a
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: Medcline pillow. It's great. It's a whole system designed for
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: side sleepers and provides a ton of heft between your
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: neck and shoulder. Med Cline. Write that down MEDUSA and
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: client you've got the Cube, pillow Cube, and the med cline.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: I mean the cube one is a cube. It's literally
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: a cube, which you know usually pillows kind of rounded edges.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: This one, you know, it's hard, so maybe it would
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: be good for your specifically designed for side sleepers too, Okay,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: special side sleepers.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: I'm going I'm gonna make a purchase tonight online for whatever.
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  Speaker 6: It is that I decided.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: So this is this is big, is big.
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  Speaker 2: I tried to order one and it says four or
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: four page off found, so maybe they got to update
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: their ones.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Spiing Fresno says, I'll throw my hat in the
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: ring with the pillow brand. Healthy Sleep their memory foam
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: hyperallergenic materials, but sleep cool and are designed to promote
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: proper spinal alignment for side sleepers. They have varying loft levels,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: so the high loft version might be right for you,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: given that, as mister lifuse to say, you have shoulders
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: like boulders. We just got a new mattress, went with
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: King Coyle and wanted performance pillows, which described the Healthy
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: Sleep brand. However, they are not bank breakers. I know
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: that's not important to you, but I think these fine
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: sleep materials will be a suitable addition to your palatial estate. Listen,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: money is always an issue. But you cry, you buy ones.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: Cry once with the pillow, get a good pillow, something
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: like pabo that.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: Says it's okay, she's been through a lot of them.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, I need to write these down. I need to
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: write these down. Does anyone have a pen?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: When we got the med climb, we got the side
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: cube and what what's what's what's the pillow cube?
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: The E P A B.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: But it's just a conto memory foam pillow.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then what was the other one? Oh?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: That?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: And then the healthy sleep? Did you write down health
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: healthy one?
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, just write it down though, I mean you
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: can get that one ergonomical cerrocal pillow.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, he just turned it all right, we're off to
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: a hate starts.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, these med climb ones. I mean you're talking yep,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty bucks?
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: Oh is that right? Really? Wow?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: That's that's a deal breaker for you.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: Well, if I want pillow, I want? Oh no, if
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: if listen, don't underestimate the power of good sleep.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no, I wouldn't know.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 4: It's uninterrupted, deep rem sleep, you know, it's healthy, it's
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: healthier for you. Paul, you should look into it. I
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: believe me.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: I know I should, But I haven't had a go
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: on like the seventh grade.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: You have you thought about pills? No, I don't sleeping pills.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: PM is like not for that deuce like melowtonin like
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: something healthy.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: You can take a bath with bath salts. I guess
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: that gets the call you a bath guy.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: I don't really like taking No, I haven't taken a bathroom.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: You don't go to the Evert bath house.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: There is not an ever bath house. There's no no
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: beach in Evert, no bath I.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: Thought there was a bathhouse in Evert. All the old
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: guys sit around.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: That's that's just the rest of.
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  Speaker 5: Hang hanging low. Yeah. No, I think that there's not
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: really any pill that's going to be able to pay
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: for anything that I need. So that's that's the issue
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: for my sleep.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I understand that.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: Paul Max writes in so back to football, if anyone
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  Speaker 4: has If anyone has pillows stuff, put it in your subject.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 6: Or to talk about football. Now, fine, good afternoon.
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  Speaker 4: As good as AJ Brown has been, he's older and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: it appeared he was not happy while winning a Super Bowl.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: I prefer Jacksonville's Thomas over him. He's not available, though
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Liam Cohen said he's not interested. He comes in under Vrabels,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: younger and cheaper.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's true. If Brian Thomas Junior was available,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: then we would.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: I would prefer Brian Thomas now I would, but I
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: don't I believe the report that he's not available.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: David in Madrid, finally able to watch the show live
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: for the first time in a while. Patriots have eleven
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: picks in the draft would lead me to two questions. One,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: is there such a thing as having too many picks?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: I think yes. Two, Which of the following op since
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: do you believe is most probable out of three? A
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: they use all of the picks and double dip in
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: certain positions edge, tight end, wide receiver, et cetera. B
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: they use a few of those picks to trade up
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: in the mid rounds or see they trade for veteran players.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: What do you think they'll do? Multiple picks at multiple positions,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: so you think they'll use eleven picks.
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  Speaker 6: I think they will come pretty close. Like maybe I
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: just think that the the value of the picks where
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: they have multiple picks in the round is not very high,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: Like you have four to six round picks, right, Like.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: What I was just going to say, like having eleven
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: picks and a lot of them are second, third, and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: fourth guys.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: That's eight of the eleven picks or later exactly right,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: So it's.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 6: Not exactly like they have a ton of value in
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 6: all these draft picks that they have. You know, I
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: wouldn't say they double dip at receiver. I think you know,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 6: Due's kind of outlined it earlier, like you already have
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 6: a lot of bodies in that room. But you know,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 6: double dipping at tight end makes some sense. Double dipping
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: on the offensive line or defensive lines is always you
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 6: always can use bodies at those types of positions. So
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: you know, I could see either one of all the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: above there. You know, two tight ends makes a lot
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 6: of sense. It's a really deep diight end class. But
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 6: it's hard to kind of parse through who's better than
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 6: whom in some of these, you know situations like I've
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 6: been getting into some of the day three tight ends
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 6: now and it's like, you know, they have pros and
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 6: cons all of them, and it's you know you throw
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 6: two darts, then you'd double your chances again.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: Paul in Providence a few episodes ago, Fred was saying
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: Booty still has some upside left. I stand by that,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: and Evan was more along the lines that at this
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: point he is what he is. I agree with Evan.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: We have seen enough to have a good idea that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: what he's shown what he is. That said so too
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: was Dobbs. He's a serviceable low end number two and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: having shown what he is over four seasons, projecting above
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: and beyond that is risky. How many times have the
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: Patriots signed a wide receiver in the knee jerk reaction
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: that the Patriots will unlock his potential by using him
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: the the way he should be used because the previous
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: team had no idea how.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: To do so.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Who is the last wide receiver not named Welker to
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: have success with the Patriots not seen on a previous team.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: I would just I don't necessarily disagree with that premise.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: I would disagree with the low end number two part
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 6: on Romeo Dobbs. I think Romeo Dobbs is a quality
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: number two receiver, not a low end number two receiver.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 6: And I don't think anybody's really expecting him to be
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 6: more than that here.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: No, I agree with the emailer. I think that Dobbs
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: kind of is what he is too. Now if he
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: stays healthy and maybe that might be the difference. Could
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: his numbers go up a little bit, Yeah, but I
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: think the kind of receiver he is, No, I don't
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: think you're all of a sudden going to see like
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: a fifteen hundred yard season out of him, you know.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: But I don't think it's out of the realm that
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 6: he could be pushing a thousand. Yeah, because of the
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: volume that's he might get a few more opportunities. But
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: at the same time, I agree with the emailer. Like
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 6: he was on a team that they spread their wealth.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 6: He's coming to a team that they spread the wealth. Like,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 6: I don't think this a huge difference, but I kind
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 6: of like the premise is what it is. I think
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 6: that Dobbs is kind of four years in five years
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 6: in this is what you're gonna get, you know.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: But I think that's pretty good. I don't think it's
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: a low end guy. I think he's a solid too.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: I think Elliott said last week he thought that that
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Booty could move around a little bit more. I think
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: that potentially could be something that could I think.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: I don't think.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: I'm just aware of that point of it. Like I
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 6: keep hearing that that all he's really is isy and
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 6: he can play more inside and like maybe pre injury
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 6: lsu Kseh on Booty was that guy. I just don't
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: see like the suddenness and the separation ability that like
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: he's this is a guy that wins with like play
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 6: strength and body positioning and hands and like that that
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: sort of thing. And I keep hearing that, and it's
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: not just like to come at deuce Like I keep
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 6: hearing that. Elliot Wolf said it. Other people have said it, Oh,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 6: he's really misscast in this offense. And it's like three
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 6: different regimes have played him on the outside at this point,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 6: Like ye, at what point is that like just who
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: he is?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're not coming to me for sure.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I I with you. I think that's kind
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: of what he is at this point. But I just
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: wonder when you look at the group, do they try
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: to see if they can get anything more out of him?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you know, Josh in year two, does
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: he see something? I would think that if Josh had
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: grand designs on what he could do with Keishambudi, it
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: would happened last year.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: My question with that, you know, and I think you
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: can make it to be whatever you want it to be,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: like there's more in there. Okay, So does that mean
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: he would catch more passes? Yeah, I think it's reasonable
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: to expect him to catch more passes than he caught
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: last year. Does he make more plays? I don't think
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: you will. And then you start to wonder.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: You ask.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: The downfield stuff, the big plays, the touchdowns? Is that
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: more important to you? Like I I for Alec Pierce,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: the reason that he intrigued me was he's a thousand
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: yard receiver on low volume. I find that to be
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 5: incredibly valuable and incredibly rare. I think there's a lot
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: of guys that give you ninety catches for a thousand yards.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: There ain't a lot of guys that give you fifty
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: catches for a thousand yards. I'll take the ladder. A
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 5: lot of other people think it's more important to get,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: you know, the receptions and the first downs and all
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: that stuff. What Booty brought to the offense last year.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: Was plays fifty four thousand.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: You're changing games, right, And I think Booty changed some
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 5: games last year, you know, with some of the big
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: plays that he made, you know, not the least of
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: which was the one handed touchdown against Houston's in this game, right, Like,
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 5: I don't want to lose those at the expense of
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: him catching thirty more passes, right, but not making those
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: kinds of plays. So someone might, reasonably not being wrong, say, well,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: he see he was much more valuable he caught thirty
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: more passes. I would probably argue if he did that
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: at the expense of the big plays, that you got
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: a lesser player.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just when you look at him, like, do
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 6: you look at him as like a digs that's going
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 6: to be in the slot, like breaking the reading coverage
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: and finding soft spots and getting separate, Like, I just
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 6: I don't think that that's necessarily his game. I think
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 6: that's what a lot of people hoped his game was
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: gonna be, and just, unfortunately is his career path has
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: kind of took him away from that.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: Joe from Supporo Maine rights in Maine support Japan. Oh
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: why didn't I say, may? I don't know, I had
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: I had Maine on my mind. We were talking about
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: Cooper flag, go.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: Find my son and give him some money. He's really
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: annoying right now.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: My question is the presence of number one receiver. I
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: read that Elliott Wolf said that OC Josh McDaniel's offense
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: is designed in such a way that the defense can't
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: key on the number one receiver. But I remember when
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: Tom Brady thrived, he was teamed with Randy Moass one year,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: like in O seven, and look how good Brady was
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: that year. Then there was Rob Gronkowski during the Super
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: Bowl years of sixteen to nineteen. So I think the
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 4: presence of a number one receiver does count. That's why
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: I don't want the Patriots to stop looking for that
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: receiver this coming season. AJ Brown maybe, but I hope
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: they find another receiver, either in the draft or other
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: free agents. What do you think?
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: So, yeah, I think the way the question was posed,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: because I've seen the folk go around, I have to
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: go in context. Yeah, the way the way the question
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: was posed was like, can you win games without a
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 6: number one wide receiver? And was he supposed to say no?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 6: Because they're trying a corner, right, we all know looking
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: at their roster objectively that they probably don't have a true,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: bona fide number one receiver. So if he comes out
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: in a media session and says, yeah, no, you can't
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: win big without a number one wide receiver, then he's
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: basically saying that they're not they're short players, right. So
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 6: I think that the way that it was phrased, he
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: sort of said, well, you know, there's there's different ways
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 6: to do it. And I think, you know, the Dabbs
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 6: situation in Green Bay was kind of pointing to that
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 6: a little bit of like this was a team that
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: had four or five guys that kind of shared the
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: ball and they were able to be a pretty active offense.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: But I don't I think it was more about the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: context of the question.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: I think you got to always keep trying, and that's yeah,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: you know, and look the draft every year, there's dozens
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: of these guys. I mean, we've been doing the draft
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: like hardcore for a while now, and it's just every
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: single season you see guys who potentially coming out look
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: like game changers, and that's what you got to find.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: For Drake some point, I continue to look at the
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: tight end position. I just that's as much as people
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: are obsessed with that number one receiver. I would love
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: to see, you know, a legit move tight end that
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: can really just create some mismatches. I think it fits
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: Drake well. I think if it's the offense, well, I
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: think it takes some of the pressure off of the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: wide receivers. I just continue to see that. I don't
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: know if a rookie's going to come in and be
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: that guy, but I see that that tight end spot
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: is a huge opportunity.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just wonder with a receiver. I think we
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 6: are seeing that receiver talent is starting to climb draft
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 6: boards every single year, where like there used to be
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 6: you know times where you know, we talk a lot
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: about the nineteen class that guys like Terry McLaurin or
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 6: Puoka you know, goes in the fourth or fifth round.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: But I don't see that happen as much anymore. I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: think a lot of the times now, these receivers that
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 6: are coming in and making like instant splashes and instant
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 6: you know, immediate impacts or top fifty picks, and so
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: you kind of have to go out and get that
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 6: guy early. Like I don't think that the days of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 6: you know, you found you know, the stud receiver in
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 6: the fourth or fifth round. I'm not sure you're going
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 6: to get that. Tight ends a different story, Like, that's
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 6: a position and there's been a lot of studies about it,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 6: Like athletic testing is. If there's anything the combine is
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: worth looking at, it's at the tight end position. It's
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 6: the one position where athletic traits really translate to NFL production.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: And a big reason for it is because of the
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 6: way they use tight ends in college. They don't throw
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 6: to the tight ends as often in college and create
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 6: mismatches with tight ends in college as much as they
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 6: do in the pros. So some of these guys that
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: you know where these great combine testers have been the
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: ones that have hit the biggest at that position.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: Vincent in North Carolina has another Pillow suggestion the wolf
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: Shire no plastics, organic handmade sheep to bed.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: Is that it sounds like a fancy hotel, the Wolfshire.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: Now we know the we know the will show the Wilshire.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh it's the Woolshire, wol woolfshore wool. Yeah, I
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: mean eighty these these don't look good to me, Fred,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: This doesn't look like you're.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: I will put it on the list. I'm going to
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: do my research.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is gonna be a great It's going to
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: take a nap at various stores.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: You can't do that. That's the problem, is the hygienic thing.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: You really try it out.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: I put my head on you know, John and Derby England.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: Sorry for the possibly dumb question, but I have not
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: heard this idea ever talked about. I live in England
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: and follow football soccer very closely. And teams can do
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: deals in advance. Arsenal wants a player from PSG for
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: a twenty six twenty seven season, for example, then they
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 4: can do the deal now and announce the details in
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: the press. Is there any way we could offer a
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: team picks from this year's draft but announce we don't
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: be getting the player until June? Or is that just
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: not permitted in the NFL?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: Not allowed unfortunately? Like you you can't designate a trade
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: as a post June one trade, like you can designate
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: a cutting a player like a post June one cut.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 6: If they could do that, I think that all this
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: aj Brown nonsense would probably be put to bed pretty quickly.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 4: But you can't.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: So the other thing is you can do those advanced trades,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: and you saw one with that blew up, you know,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: epically with the Raiders and the Ravens. Before the league
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: year started. The teams had agreed to make a trade
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: and all the details leaked in the press and it
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: wasn't official until the start of the league year, and
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 5: then it started the league year, Baltimore backed out of it,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 5: you know, for various reasons. So you can't do that,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: I would. I have a question for you guys, and
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 5: I don't really understand. I don't know the answer. But
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: the whole June one thing, like why do they do that?
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: Like why not just if you're given a mechanism that
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: teams can you know, sort of spread the cap hit
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: out over you know, two years instead of one, then
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: just let them do it. Like why do you have
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: to wait till June first to do it? It doesn't
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: hurt there's a reason, but it doesn't help the player,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: like if the player gets designated you know. And that
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: was like they originally said, you you know, if you
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: if you cut a player after June first, you could
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: do that, but then that hurt the player because now
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: he doesn't hit free agency until June first. So then
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: they said, well, okay, you can do designated designated them
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: with June first cut. Okay, so that way it helped it.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: You know, the player doesn't get hurt. Why, like, why
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: are we doing this? Like if the if the Eagles
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: are in fact waiting till June first and it's inevitable
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: and they're going to make a trade, this is dumb.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: The NFL should change this.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 6: I think it's a bit of an outdated rule. Yeah,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 6: I think that absolutely used to be a much bigger
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: deal h fifteen to twenty years ago, and more of
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: these things would happen, and you get to the draft
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: and maybe the board fell a certain way, and so
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 6: you would draft players at certain positions and then the
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: vet are in. Players that were expensive on your team
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: maybe were more expendable after the draft, and so the
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: post June one was a way to sort of circumvent
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: the cap issues with all of that. And now we
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 6: don't see there's always, you know, a small handful every
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 6: single year, but we don't see the volume of post
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: June one cuts the same that we did maybe twenty
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: years ago.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: But it's because you can designate the guy. You don't
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: have to do you know, you don't have to wait
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: till June first. Anymore. I don't know why an exception
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: isn't made for the trades. The way is for the
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: straight releases, and you shouldn't be able to do it
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: for every guy. And I think teams are only I mean,
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: unless this has changed. I don't I'm not up on
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: the all the details of the CBA, but I think
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: you can only do it for one guy, right. You
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: can't just designate all your releases as post June first,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: I don't think.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 6: I think it's two two.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, it's.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: Two now, but you'd ever you very rarely see a
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: team designate two different players like it happens very rarely,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: but I believe the maximum is two.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: I don't really have a good answer for the trade. Well,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: if I was missing something, why you can't designate a
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 6: player as a trade as a post June one trade
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 6: when you can do it as a cut Because I
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: asked somebody about if you could do that and I
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: was told that no, you can't. And I don't really
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: understand why not. It doesn't that part of it doesn't.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: I think the league has done some good stuff with
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: like IR for example. You know it used to be
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: if you put on IR during the season you were out,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: no questions asked.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 7: That's it.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: So now you can designate guys to return first, it
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: was just like one guy, you know whatever. Now you
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: know you can do it to whatever. Eight I think
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: it's eight something like that. You can do it to
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 5: multiple players. I think these things have improved rosters and
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: improved the game. I think they're positives for you know,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: the everyday attrition that happens in the NFL, like you.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Know, practice squad too, and the quality of depth.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, the practice squads are a little ridiculous, but
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: I'd rather have sixteen five when I first when I
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: started with Fred, now literally the practice squad was five guys. Yeah,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: now it's sixteen.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 6: They they did revise the post June pre June one
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: thing I don't know, probably about twenty years ago, by
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: allowing you to designate releases, because what was happening was
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 6: is that they would cut players in June, and those
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 6: players weren't getting market value contracts because everybody had already
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 6: spent all their cap space.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: It wasn't the players right.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 6: So they revised the rule to allow you to designate it,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: but they did not it does not apply to trades,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: which I still don't. No one's given me a good
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: answer as to what the difference is.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 5: That makes a lot of sense to me. But there's
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: probably a reason.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 6: You know it's different. That's it. I'm like, tell me
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: how I don't understand.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 4: Pete and Florida. I've been really interested in all your takes,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 4: even you Fred, that was how you build your team
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: like the Rams have been doing it for a while now.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 4: I understand that you probably need the quarterback before you
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: make your decisions like they are. They seem to have
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 4: decided that the draft is not as important as every
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: other team does. It's an interesting possibility, new method of
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: building your team for success.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: I would push back on them saying, I'm saying that
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: they don't think the draft is important. They just don't
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 6: value picks the way that other teams value picks. They
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: their studies, their analytics, whatever, show that there's not as
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 6: big of a gap between the first round picks and
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 6: you know, the subsequent rounds, so they don't put as
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 6: much stock into the difference between having a first round
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 6: pick at the end of the first round or second
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: round pick or a third round pick like some teams do.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 6: They treat that they treat a first round pick like
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 6: it's a precious gem. The Rams don't think at it
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 6: that they have been so I guess but they but
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 6: they're very very good at drafting. On days two and three,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 6: they hit on days two and three.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 5: I would also say, if you you know, and we're
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: just talking about this current regime, right, let's need Yeah,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: Sean McVay, off the top of my head, what's the
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: highest first round pick that they traded, because I think
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: the one time that they didn't make the playoffs may
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: have been the year that they got Verse. They got
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: Jared Verse, right, and that was like fourteen or something
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: like that. So I think they're probably looking at it
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: as like we're picking twenty eighth to thirty two. To
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 5: Evan's point, is there a huge difference between twenty nine
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: and say, you know, sixty, not as big as there
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: is between ten and thirty? Probably right. So I think
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: they've also drafted exceptionally well, and people don't give them
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: enough credit, I think for because they for theaction.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 6: In the first round, and I feel like we just
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: cut it off at the first round, like they there's
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: that stat out there that they haven't made like a
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 6: first round pick in like eight.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: Of the nine last nine out of verse, right, just
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 4: that one guy.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: But they've also hit on Pokin Nikua. They've hit on
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 6: Kobe Turner and Brandon Fisk and Cameron Kitchens and Kyron
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: Williams and I can keep going.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: So they've been able.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they've been able to hit on all of these
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 6: players on days two and three, and that their scouting
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: has been fantastic, and that's why they don't have to
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: put all their stock in their first round pick.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 5: And I just do think that if they have a
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: bad year or two coming up, I'd be very surprised
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 5: if they were as cavalier about dealing off, say the
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: eleventh pick of the draft, as opposed to twenty seven. Yeah,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: which is I think a lot of the first round
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: picks that they've traded have been late first rounders, and
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: there is a difference.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: YEA, how do they handle the transition from Stafford? You know,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: as he gets towards the end, do they use the
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: late first round pick on him or do you know?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: I think Ty Simpson, you were talking about Pittsburgh earlier,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: I could see I don't think it's going to happen,
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: but I could see a world where McVeigh says, I
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: can work with this kid for a year or two, yeah,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: and he could replace Stafford.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 6: They are more to me like a fascinating case study
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 6: of how do they scout to be so good on
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 6: days two and three? You know, I think a lot
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 6: of their scouting is kind of unique and outside the
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 6: But they don't go to the combine, they don't do
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 6: thirty visits, they don't have a lot of contact with
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 6: the players. They're drafting strictly based off of the numbers
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: and based off the film. They're not looking into like,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 6: let me get to know this guy as a human, Like,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 6: they know that's not their jam. So they look at
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 6: analytics like a big reason why they drafted Pukin Nikuos
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 6: because of how fast he was in game speed like
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 6: player tracking data paid a huge role in drafting him.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 6: He didn't run particularly well in his forty and they
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 6: didn't care because he was fast in pats and so
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 6: they just prioritize that. It's interesting like how they've gone
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 6: about it, because they've just been nails in the draft,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 6: even without first round.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: Picks Zach and Watertown rights in I'm also sick of
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: the aj Brown stuff dealing with Howie is how I
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: imagine other teams fan bases felt about dealing with Danny
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: Ainge when he was the GM of the Celtics. This point,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about him unless the schefter
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 4: breaking news comes in. Personally, I really keep coming back
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: to Rabel's comments about how in order to get a
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: WR one you have to draft them. I agree they
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: don't hit free agency and trading for them as a nightmare.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: I know this fan base has PTSD when it comes
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: to trying to draft them, but you can't just give
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: up because of that one dude from ASU. Plus, this
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: regime is different and using a whole different scouting grading
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: system than the Belichick system. It sounds like the top
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: guys are going to actually listen to their scouts instead
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: of going rogue.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: You know, just sorry, real quick. I was looking at
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: the Rams draft history. In twenty three, they drafted Byron
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: Young and Kobe Turner, both in the third round. Both
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: have gone on to play fifty one games each, and
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: they've combined for fifty one and a half sacks the
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: two of those third round picks. Yeah, it's just really
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: good production. Two defensive players in the third round.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they That's what I said. They drafted exceptionally well.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 5: And I don't think they get as much credit for
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: that because the sexy quotes are f them picks and
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: that's what they're known for.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Was for Matthew Stafford and now you have a Super
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Bowl the community.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: They also, you know, do this with I was going
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: to say they went to the Super Bowl with Goth too,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 6: The Jalen Ramsey trade, I want to say, might have
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 6: been with Jared Goth.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they they made So that's the other part
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 5: of this is like it's one thing to just trade
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: away your picks, but they traded them for veteran players
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: that were established and that have worked out for them.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: And then I think that they've done a good job
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: of sort of like a guy like Ramsey. They got
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: the best out of Ramsey, you know, when when he
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: was kind of becoming a pain, they moved on from him. Yeah,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: you know, And I mean some teams. I think mcveig
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: is a really good coach, and I think they have
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: a good structure and a good, good culture, a lot
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: of less stuff that we talk about with with Rabel.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 5: You know, I think that there was a huge difference
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: between the twenty five Patriots and the twenty four Patriots.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 5: I don't think that they were necessarily all that much smarter,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: but the way they went about it and the culture
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: and everything, the foundation that Mike talks about all the
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 5: time is apparent and all that stuff is true in LA.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 6: I think it's just huge. You know, the word that
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: Rabel uses a lot is vision for players, like when
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 6: you have a coaching staff that understands, like how this
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 6: player's skill set fits into the scheme and the defense
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 6: and the type of way you want to play. And
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: I think Sean McVay does a great job of it too,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 6: Like you know what a Rams wide receiver looks like,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 6: because Sean McVeigh has a type and he has a
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 6: way that it fits into their their whole system. And
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 6: I think the Patriots kind of got back to that
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 6: last offseason. Was that that ability to say, you know,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 6: we like Roberts, we know what we're gonna do with
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 6: Roberts Blaine, Like we know what we're gonna do with
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 6: Carlton Davis, we know what we're gonna do with Milton Williams,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 6: And like those players having the trades that can fit
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 6: perfectly into it.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: Let's get back to the phones. We'll go to Anthony
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: in Pennsylvania. What's up, Anthony.
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  Speaker 18: Hey, longtime listener Watson For a while, A lot of
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 18: people I feel like I have him been talking about
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 18: Ramandre and his contract ending coming up. Who do you
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 18: guys think in this draft could be a good replacement
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 18: for him? I think, uh, Nicholas Singleton from penn State
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 18: six foot two twenty, I think he'd be a good replacement.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 18: Or yeah, Jordan Vaughan out of Appleline Christen a little
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 18: uh lower level talent, but six three, two thirty five,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 18: I think he could be like a good little Derek
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 18: Henry replacement for Mike Grabel. Thanks guys.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, should the Patriots be in the future replacement of
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: Andre Stevenson market? I hope not.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think you're potentially in the draft
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: of running back this year. I mean, I think, you know,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: third guy, day three kind of thing. But I find
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: myself questioning what kind of guy do they want? Because
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: we know what Henderson is, and he's you know, got
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: a specific set of skills. But I feel like I'm
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: a little bit of tracked into the stouter, fatter short
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: yardage big guys, you know, like to complement this group,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like you got Romondri can
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: kind of do it all. Do you need like a
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: like a short yardage kind of guy, you know somebody's Yeah.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 6: Maybe not super Me is not a he has an
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 6: out at the end of the contract at the end
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 6: of the year this year in his contract, but he's
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 6: under contract till twenty twenty eight. Like he's not a
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 6: free agent till twenty nine. So unless you're thinking that
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 6: he's you know, going the wrong way, you know, they're
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: not in like a contract crunch with him or obviously
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 6: with Henderson. But I just I feel like, yeah, you
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 6: can talk about like the their third running back being
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 6: a whole, but I think we could do that everywhere
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: on the roster. Like I keep hearing like cornerback is
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 6: a sneaky need. It's like, yeah, like if you want
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 6: to say, like the fourth corner is, like you could
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 6: upgrade a you know, the your fourth and fifth cornerbacks
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 6: on your roster, Like I think we could probably do
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 6: that with every single team, like you know, and so
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 6: like we're just kind of going through all of these
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 6: at this point. Like if they're gonna draft a running back.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 6: They have four six round picks. I have no if
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 6: they want to throw a running back in the sixth round,
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 6: then no one's going to be going to, you know,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 6: lose any sleep over that. But I hope that they're
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 6: not thinking of investing in another top one fifty pick
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 6: at that spot.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Just real quick, I share this. I saw Daniel Jeremiah
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: released as DJ DJ three point.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't go crazy for everybody's
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: mock drafts, but it's what I said earlier. He went with,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: you know, Caden McDonald, defensive tackle from Ohio State. You know,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: it's just it's a position I don't think a lot
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: of people are talking about care for.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: You know, we went with a two gapping run stuffing
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 6: two down defensive linemen in the thirty first pick, and
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 6: his reasoning was something about Ohio State allowing Milton Williams
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 6: to sort of eat do the dirty work.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean need somebody like somebody.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you need him at thirty.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: Everybody's going to need somebody to be a first round pick.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: No, yeah, Malcolm Brown.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: Everybody's focused on the edge at that spot though, and
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: I think that's just I think we need to be
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: open to other positions because as I play around with
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: mock draft, it's, I mean, you're right, like the Zion
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: Young's of the world, and Cashius Howell was gone in
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: this one. But I don't know, there's just not a
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: lot of like up there. He is ye perfect, you know,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: it's you're considering maybe a safety.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 6: Not to pick on, Like I'm not mean to pick
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 6: on DJ. I think when I look at DJ's mox,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 6: I always look at like, okay, who are the five
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 6: or six guys that are in that range, because he
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 6: has a pretty good feel of the board. So like
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 6: maybe I don't necessarily agree with him taking McDonald's specifically,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: but like who you know, I think Kenyan Sidiki that
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 6: chase that's pretty low from like what a you know
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 6: we've heard of Sadik I take a top twenty pick,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 6: like all the way down at twenty seven.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got Keller Fock down at thirtieth.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 4: Okay, Uh back to the phones. Willhelms in Philam, what's up, Willem?
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: How you doing all right?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 17: How how the team doing?
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 4: Teams? You know most of them aren't here, but we
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: saw the free agency here last week. Oh this team,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: Oh we're doing that thing.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 17: Yeah, the thing is you're next time, yes, Paul evident, dudes, Yes,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 17: they're all doing Where do I be here? Look, I
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 17: don't again, I don't trust anymore. I don't trust the scouts.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 17: I'm going back to twenty twenty fourth draft class. Where's
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 17: Rick May's weapon? Where's his tight ends? Where's the receivers?
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 17: And if Patriots have not proven to me or to
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 17: the Patriots fans that they can build, you can draft
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 17: or receiver. I haven't. We haven't seen it. And the
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 17: jury's still out, you know what I mean. I know
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 17: I hate you dudes. You said keep trying. Yeah, well,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 17: I don't know to say about that one, you know
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 17: what I mean? So I'll just leave it at death FROs.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 17: But I just don't trust this at all days, I know.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: But like, don't you have to draw a line between
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty four and everything after that? Like, I know
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: Elliott's still here, but I don't know what constraints were
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: put on him prior Now. Vrabel's here, and you know,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: Ryan Cowden's here. Was another voice in the room, and
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 4: maybe it's different and twenty five wasn't that bad.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: Twenty five was a good draft.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 6: I just hope that one of these days we can
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 6: get a wider William. We just need to get William
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: a wide receiver. That's your I get it, I got.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: I'm with you, dude, you got, we got. I just
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 6: want it for you though, I want you to be happy.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 17: Right, I'm right, I'm out on it. I'm out on
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 17: the A. J. Brown thing. I'm done with Dicky. I'm
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 17: done with Dick. I'm not keep slaying that you gonna
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 17: get him a not that's it on you know. But
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 17: I'm just saying that pictures cannot draft or receive it.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: They can't.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 16: They can't do it.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 17: It's like kryptonite.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: They haven't been able to.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: I think it might be time for but one of
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: my little polls.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: Oh for his little pole. All right, thanks William.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 5: A lot of people in the show today. We had
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: multiple emailers now William and philam.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: You know out.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 5: Oh, everybody's out. Everybody's sick of AJ Brown. Everybody's out
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: on AJ Brown. So I'm really going to be concerned
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: on June first, right when they make this trade, how
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: everybody's going to jump back in. Yeah, and I'm back in.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: Just you know, I'm not out.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: I'm going to keep it. I'm going to keep a
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: little still in the amount of out.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 6: The player by any means. But it is a hard
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 6: line to walk of. Like if you punt on receiver
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 6: in the draft planning on getting a J. Brown, well,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: then you you kind you need to do everything to
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 6: get a J. Brown, and that might lead to a
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 6: significant not I wouldn't call it an overpay necessarily, but
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 6: you might be ended up giving up a lot because
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 6: you can't get out bid at that point.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 5: Let me throw this out there, at the risk of
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 5: is it was it Simon that called us, At the
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: risk of, you know, drawing the ire of Simon, Simon says,
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: you know what, right, I gotta do what he says,
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: a bit of a bit of a force. You're better
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: than that, Okay, be better if they don't get AJ
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 5: Brown and they don't draft someone, say in the first
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: two rounds and this is the wide receiver cord they
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 5: go into the seat. So basically you go in the
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 5: same thing you had last year and subbing Dobbs for Diggs. No,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying this is the same set of receivers
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: you had. Is that is it that bad? Like you
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: that much worse off?
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I mean, I think you'll
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: be okay.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: It depends on the maturation of Drake May.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: Sure, I would just ad no. I know, I think
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: they asked a lot out of him last year. I
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: don't think that this is a great receiving corps, and
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: I think he made them look better than they were
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: at times, and I think the offense for the most part,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: was successful. Now you can come back at me with
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: the argument of it's going to be much more difficult
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: this year, given the expectations, the schedule, the you know,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: all the things that go into it, and I wouldn't
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: be able to argue with you. But I don't think
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: it would be a disaster if you just said, well,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: Diggs was, you know, getting a little older, and we've
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: replaced him with a younger guy, and even if we
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: don't get quite the production that we got from Digs
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: last year, it'll be close enough. It's not that bad.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: I ask you questions. That's does Kyle Williams.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 5: Look No, I'm just saying the same.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not If he's the same then Okay, I'm.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 5: Just saying you have the same chorus last year and
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: then Dobbs for digs.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 6: My fear is that that feels very twenty twenty two
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 6: E to me, where Parker it was it was maybe
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 6: it's twenty three where it's Meyers out Juju in and
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 6: then that was like kind of all they did.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: I like that movie.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: And and I'm not saying like that's obviously that was
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: a disaster, like this ends up if place like Juju.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 6: I'm not saying with you, I'm not saying that. All
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 6: I'm saying is that you had this window of opportunity
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 6: with a quarterback that wasn't as good as Drake may
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 6: by any means, but at least showed some signs of
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 6: life in his rookie season, and then you just didn't
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 6: keep the gap, your foot on the gas pedal, and
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 6: you didn't keep adding significant moves to the roster. I like,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 6: if they went into the season with the way it
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 6: is right now, they kind of kept its status quo
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 6: for the most part on offense, and like, that's not
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 6: you're not accelerating my theory.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 5: In order for my theory to be remotely accurate, I
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: would need a much closer approximation for Dobbs to Digs
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 5: than you got from Juju to Jacoby Minh.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I don't expect that to happen, and it
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 6: will be significantly better, I'm sure with Romeo Dobbs, much
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: younger player, like much no injury concerns like Juju had.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 6: But it just felt the same where in twenty two
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 6: and twenty three, like they didn't really take a step
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 6: forward around back Jones and they didn't really load up
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 6: for him and absolutely go all in for him, And
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 6: it's kind of the.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: Same the great camp. And it also just to me,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: like Williams is the only guy I feel like has
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 2: a large level of unknown left if any you know,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: the rest of them, you kind of know what Hollins is,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: You kind of know what Davis is or Douglas excuse me,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: you know even Booty too, but you know Ath loves Booty.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: We're hoping, But I think Williams is the only one
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: right now to me that really has an unknown ceiling,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: and he might already be at it. I don't know.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: All right, that's going to be it for this edition
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: of Patriots Unfiltered, but we've got more to come. This week.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: We've got Catch twenty two tomorrow at ten noon, the
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: weekly Barth wellness check. How's he doing?
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: I don't want to repeat the time and the show.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: What's at noon?
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 6: Okay? Why it's always at show?
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: Usually he does it at ten because we do it.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: Do it at noon? All right, we'll do it at noon.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: Patriots Draft Countdown, we'll do our first episode will be
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: out tomorrow, Draft Countdown come tomorrow, coming tomorrow.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: And Forged in Foxborough coming later today, so can't wait
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: for that. We will be back on Thursday. We'll talk
• 1:56:44
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