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S7 293. Nathan Myers -AI mirrors our Brains, Influences our Decisions: A Christian Engineer's Warning, Faith & Perspective · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  That's tough. We're in a very tough spot.
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  I think that what we're doing right now is a great benefit in
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  virtue because it's an end around between this whole
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  corrupt informational system, media system.
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  We claim to believe in a God who spoke the universe into
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  existence and literally raised himself from the dead, and yet
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  we are not going to believe that anything else exists in the
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  spirit realm, even though his word tells us that they do.
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  Their bodies weren't permitted to go to sleep like humans do,
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  and they weren't permitted to go to heaven, so they wander the
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  earth. You know, I've seen the eyes
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  turn black to unknown tongues being spoken.
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  These giants would live way up in the island.
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  The old Braves, the young men would hide up in the trees and
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  wait for one of these 12 footers to come walking down the bath
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  and they would jump on them and kill them, drag them back in the
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  village, and the village would feast on the body.
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  Then people start to get weapons, they start to get
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  armor, they start to build cities, they start to fortify
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  their cities. Now God looks down and there's
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  violence everywhere. The battle, this war that we are
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  at, is not against each other, it's against these
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  principalities and these rulers and these archons in the high
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  places. It's really worthwhile to read
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  the Bible yourself. Fear is one of the primary
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  drivers of mind control because we have to take every thought
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  captive and resist fear. You're going to have a testimony
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  that is a justice case against the Kingdom of darkness.
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  I'm Nathan Myers, and I want to welcome you to the millennial
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  mustard scene. Nathan, great to have you here,
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  buddy. Great to be here.
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  You found me through the Days of Noah podcast, so shout out to my
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  buddy Pete over there at the Days of Noah.
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  And you shot me an e-mail. And I don't know, maybe a dozen
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  times this has happened where I've gotten emails from
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  individuals, Nathan. And I'm like, we need to have a
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  talk because I'm getting, you know, moved in the spirit that
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  there's something more here. And what the more is we find out
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  as time goes on and the more has LED you to joining me here on
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  this podcast, man. So it's an honor.
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  Why don't you officially welcome yourself and tell us a little
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  bit about who you are? You know, what you used to do is
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  pretty interesting. What you still do is an
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  interesting topic. I am an engineer born to be an
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  engineer. Been in the test industry since
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  2014. So I've tested diesel engine
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  controllers, electric motors for hybrid vehicles, and now I'm
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  back in the HVAC system testing with their control boards
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  specifically. Along those lines, I've focused
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  a lot on the test automation side.
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  Programming in general is a hobby of mine.
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  I take on probably projects way too big that help the company.
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  Is that you're a professional hacker?
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  No, I'm just kidding. A funny thing.
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  I really don't know anything about hacking.
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  I'm not real good at computers either, but I can program.
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  I'm really good at programming. Well, and so that was kind of,
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  you know, our behind the scenes conversation was talking a
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  little bit about that, right, Talking about obviously AI, it's
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  a hot topic. Everyone is interested in the
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  artificial intelligence or angelic intelligence
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  conversation and your perspective, some of the things
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  you shared with me over the phone, I'm like, yeah, wow.
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  Because you know, yes, I've done round tables with brilliant
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  minds, great thinkers, great speakers, and we've connected a
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  lot of dots. But I think what your
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  perspective that you had talked about previously, you know, the
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  time you've spent in this and some of your hobbies, looking at
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  that kind of tangible hardline programming and interactions
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  with AI and what systems are looking like, and things are not
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  slowing down. You know, it's like missing
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  scientists this year. Hope to God there's no missing
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  engineers next year. You know what I mean?
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  It's like it's crazy time to be alive.
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  So I mean, just help me and maybe the audience understand a
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  little bit about, you know, your back story.
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  I want to hear about how you came to the Lord and anything
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  you feel like sharing, just kind of leading up to these
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  climactical moments where you started to realize the stuff you
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  were seeing based on your profession was important to
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  what's going on and what's coming.
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  Well, you know, I got saved probably 6th, 7th, sometime in
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  middle school, I don't remember exactly.
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  Luckily I was in middle school. I was still being driven by my
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  parents everywhere and kind of on their schedule.
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  But I was really struggling, struggled lying and stealing.
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  And I'm not, I wasn't good at school.
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  So I felt like I was letting my parents down quite a bit.
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  And I was always in trouble. And I felt like I couldn't do
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  anything right. I played the game for a while of
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  being a Christian, thinking that I'd make it easier, maybe they
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  would, you know, ease up a little bit.
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  But that really wasn't the case. And one night in my bed, I was
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  just, I just, I remember like vividly just laying there being
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  just feeling trapped. And for me that's, that's,
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  that's one of the things I, I really can't stand that feeling.
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  But I was laying there in bed and I just felt like there's
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  nothing I can do, right? I just can't, I can't, I can't
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  do anything. I can't make them happy.
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  I can't be happy. I can't do good at school.
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  And I just, it was just a like I had a moment where I said,
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  Jesus, if, if you're real, then help me get through this and I
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  will follow you. And of course, I didn't really
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  wait for him, his response, I just jumped in, which is also
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  part of my personality. I kind of tend to run head first
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  into an idea. Dang, engineers.
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  The the growth portion of of my faith.
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  How do I put it? I feel like it it like I was
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  learning a lot. I was understanding a lot, but
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  God was still and and I could see see God like his
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  interactions with things around me and and you know, I can put,
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  Oh, you know, God was there for this, but it's still, it's still
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  really wasn't tangible. It it didn't feel really real
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  for me. So probably about high school.
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  Had a good group of Christian guy friends in high school hang
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  out together a lot, play basketball, play video games.
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  I don't know, it kind of just evolved as I, yeah, high school
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  was, was interesting spiritually 'cause, you know, I struggled
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  with typical stuff high schoolers did, but still
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  balanced with my Christian faith.
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  Had a lot of spiritual encounters going up growing up
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  mostly with the, with like the kind of the demonic and it
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  scared the crap out of me. Like it scared me real bad for a
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  long time. Like sleeping with my, you know,
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  the lights on and you know, regardless of the fear.
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  And I, I, I noticed right away that the more time I spent in
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  the word and the more time I spent building my relationship
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  with the Father, those things happened less.
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  And I could always rely on the name of Jesus casting those
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  things away in hindsight. And, you know, I'm just kind of
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  coming to my mind with this now, but it really kind of set me on
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  a path to see things from a different perspective.
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  I was no longer seeing like, oh, you know, I'm depressed.
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  And God's showing me a beautiful flower, which is kind of that's
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  great. And he does that.
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  And sometimes it's very much needed.
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  But I started questioning a lot of things like why does it?
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  Why, why is this here? Why is that here?
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  Why I came to the conclusion that God, I just want to know
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  everything. And it kind of sounds like in my
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  head, it kind of sounds like a kind of the Adam and Eve thing.
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  You, you know, you want the knowledge, but I, I, I even told
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  him I was like, if you teach me everything, I won't tell
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  anybody, which it hasn't seemed to be the case, but I still hope
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  that the second-half sticks sometimes if.
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  You didn't teach me anything, and I'm telling everybody no,
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  Yeah, it's from, from kind of what you're saying is like
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  you're getting into this deeper, more intimate questioning and
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  conversation with the Lord. Yeah, and it's kind of weird
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  because it's the more the enemy pressed, the more the enemy
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  showed his teeth, the closer and the more real my relationship
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  with the father was. I I got to a point where I I
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  thought it was really cool. I mean, that's that's a whole
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  other that's a whole thing. We could go down a whole rabbit
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  trial, but the sticking point of, of the change from high
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  school and to college was I wasn't good at I I mean, I
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  graduated high school with like a 2.5 GPAI got into Purdue
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  because I were I studied real hard for, for the Sats, got a
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  really good score on it. In fact, I was told that I
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  wouldn't have gotten it in at all if I hadn't scored so high
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  on the Sats. But I mean, I worked at it.
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  I wasn't going to go to college. I went to trade school while in
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  in high school, I was all set up to be a, a welder on in a Body
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  Shop, which I enjoyed it, but I'm glad it turned out the way
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  it did 'cause I I love the deep engineering problems, the ones
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  that just really rack your brain where you just can't figure it
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  out. I like, yeah, I that's worship
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  on Sunday says nothing on that for me.
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  Like I just love it, dream about it, sleep on it, not sleep on
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  it. And when I find it, it's just
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  that's, that's true worship for me, like at its purest.
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  And and the programming came in because I it's free.
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  It's free and I can build complex systems and put things
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  together and solve problems, make life easier for me at work
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  or with this or that. And so I've really enjoyed it.
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  Yeah, I didn't. I don't know how I got here, but
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  it was a long, hard journey and I'm, I'm glad I'm here.
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  Yeah. I mean, like one of the things
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  that you said that I think is really interesting, you talked
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  about your passion and how it supersedes your experiences of a
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  Sunday service, for example. It's fascinating because if we
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  get real with ourselves, you know, the, the scriptures say
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  that God gives us the ability to work right.
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  He's made each one of us with a certain programming, if I could
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  say it that way, where we're more prone, right to to lean
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  towards, you know, whether it's an engineering mind, a
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  mathematical mind, You're a people person, but we have
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  diversity of different gifts and God gives us the ability to
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  produce an income. And so like I remember years ago
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  thinking, why do so many men want to go fishing or race their
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  cars or, you know, other than to serve God?
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  And I really spent time on that. So it's so fascinating you bring
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  that up tonight because what I found is that doing things with
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  a pure heart, healthy things, not bad things, right?
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  You know, using the gift that God gave you and working in it.
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  Well, that is a form of worshiping God because worship
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  is a heart posture. When Daniel was worshipping, it
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  was with his life what he did day-to-day.
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  I think there's a lot of miss just miscommunication.
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  I mean, I'm not going to say that worshipping God is is is
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  not true. If you're singing a song to him,
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  that's praise. But I know that worship is a way
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  of life. It's a heart posture.
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  And so it's really fascinating that you say that because it
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  sounds like God created you to figure out some issues.
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  And obviously, if you're here today, right now, which you are,
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  that means God's seen you perfectly designed and fit for
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  this experience that you're living and you have a part to
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  play in all of it. So, you know, Nathan, let's kind
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  of go to a little bit of your notes just because I want to
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  keep a theme with you for this Part 1, and just kind of because
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  you sent me a very hefty e-mail. Not going to lie, it took me a
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  minute to read it. I'm not the best reader, but it
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  was good. And it prompt me to get you on
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  the show quicker than I normally would.
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  Let's let's talk about your fun fact number one and fun fact #2
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  on that e-mail. Just as just as foundational.
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  Yeah, Would you, you give me a call responding to my e-mail and
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  here I am thinking, you know, oh, he's giving me a call.
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  I'm going to be in, you know, be advisor to this guy, you know,
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  help him to, with whatever he needs, you know, 'cause you
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  know, I'm, I'm in, I'm in the technology.
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  I love that stuff. And you, well, I want you on the
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  podcast. And yeah, I immediately my body
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  went like complete panic mode. Complete panic mode.
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  And but I can, I could hear in your voice like it was almost as
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  if like the God, that God was speaking through you and not
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  your words, 'cause I could hear in your voice like we are
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  supposed to talk. And which didn't help the panic
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  mode at all 'cause I, I really don't like being in front of
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  people. I don't, I don't, I don't like
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  being center of attention. Quietly guiding is a really good
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  spot for me. You know, the behind the scenes
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  stuff. We ended the call basically the
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  that I would think about it and pray about it.
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  And it was like immediately after I hung up the phone with
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  you immediately, like God said two things and he said rod is
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  built for this. Trust him to bring it out and
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  trust me to give you the words to say.
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  And second was you can't ask for more and say no to when more is
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  given to you. Like it was almost immediate.
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  So yeah, my response was I'm, I'm in.
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  Let's go. You know it, Nathan, just let me
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  just let me say this real quick before we get to your, your,
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  your other things on the layout here.
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  God is always looking to use us and he's listening when we pray
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  and what we're asking for. And sometimes when we say God
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  use me more, it's the first, maybe the second, maybe the
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  100th time he uses you isn't the preference that you have now.
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  It's like God use me to do what I like to do in my quiet and
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  comfy space. And God's like, yeah, you're
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  good there. I'll use you there.
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  But guess what? Break out of your comfort zone,
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  buddy. Complacency is not going to work
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  here. And so like I said, with that
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  prompting, I got to challenge you to step out because you, you
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  were just so sincere and patient and just genuine in your
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  conversation with me. The first time we talked, I
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  said, Lord, why did you prompt me to talk with this guy?
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  And it he's like, because I speak, you know, I speak through
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  patience, I speak through diligence, I speak through heart
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  posture, I'm speaking through individuals that the world does
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  not want to look at. People that are not put on a
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  pedestal is who God is speaking through.
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  And it's not the big flashy, everybody knows your name people
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  that always have the right thing to say.
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  And I'm not trying to take away any measure of the spirit
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  because I am no judge of that. What I'm saying is that there's
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  no levels to the Holy Spirit based on your public persona or
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  not. God will speak through whom He
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  chooses and in this case, Nathan, it's you saying yes and
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  the whole behind the scenes process of you praying through
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  it, fasting and then wrestling through and then committing.
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  I applaud you for that. Thank you.
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  You can't tell God no. All right, so do you want to
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  move to Fun fact #2 or? Do I get my head cut off at some
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  point? Yeah.
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  Let's let's do this. I don't know.
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  The way my brain works is I don't I don't have much
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  comprehension with works like every word that comes through my
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  head. Not I couldn't say really every
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  word, but phrases and sentences that come in my head are painted
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  with pictures, which has made communication really fun to work
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  on. You know, in, in my marriage and
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  with friends and at work, because sometimes I'm
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  retranslating everything from words to pictures to back to
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  words. But you know, it's, it's one of
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  the God knows it and what like I can get it's, I wouldn't even
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  call it a vision, but it's like a super clear picture that comes
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  to my head sometimes in prayer. Sometimes it's just walking in
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  the spirit and not saying anything.
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  But I'll get a super clear picture.
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  And honestly, after our conversation, I'd really been
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  praying a lot for you and for the, the, your, your ministry
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  and the podcast and, and about what, what to talk about and so
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  on so forth. And I just, I had this glimpse
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  and God, this is all picture form for me.
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  So but I saw you as John the Baptist.
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  And the gist of that is that you are preparing the way for the
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  Lord. I thought that was super cool.
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  I'd usually don't share those things with people, but I threw
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  that one out there. I just don't like, I just don't
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  want to get my head cut off. Like that's just like my, you
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  know, No, I think like with what you were saying.
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  Riches will be greater than heaven, right?
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  Yeah, well, that's that's a fact.
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  I don't take that stuff lightly. And normally I wouldn't, I
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  wouldn't really have a conversation like that on air
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  with, with something so personal.
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  OK. But it is necessary from time to
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  time and in certain settings because the millennial mustard
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  seed is such a it's crazy how God gave me the name.
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  It's yeah, it's in the archives. You know, I've talked about it
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  at length before over the years, but really realizing that here
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  in the West, we've been so desensitized and
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  desupernaturalized and we've had so many religious spirits
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  attacking and infiltrating the churches to constrict and even
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  deceive to a point where it's it's hard for me to deal with
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  Christians. You know, I, I even the name
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  calling myself a Christian is like, man, that's that's that's
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  a bad name to a lot of people. But I'm following the way, you
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  know, I'm attempting failing forward for my gentleness to be
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  made known and to play my part in preparing what I I consider
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  to be a bride. And I think, you know, what you
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  said was really interesting about this kind of idea that
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  I'm, I'm not John the Baptist. That's not what you're saying.
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  And that that would be totally in.
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  I would disagree with you if that's what you were saying.
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  But like I think that. Would be inappropriate.
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  Like like an archetype I must like It's like the way I say it
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  to people is prophecy and poetry are inseparable.
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  The Hebrew mindset understood poetry as rhythmic in life,
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  rhythmic in stories, outcomes, scenarios.
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  And so we think of poetry in the West as rhythmic in Word only.
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  That's why in my book the words are saw.
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  I did some I I coined a couple new terms.
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  Collective flow is one of them. And there's a whole story behind
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  that we'll talk about another time.
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  But the the idea here is the same Spirit that raised Christ
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  from the dead is living in us. He is the Spirit of prophecy and
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  his prophetic words are not to be taken lightly.
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  The same Spirit that was in Joshua and Caleb when they said
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  we can take them God's with us who could stand against us is
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  the same Spirit that's in some of us who are believers here
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  today. And so I don't see a a
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  separation or distinguished, you know, difference.
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  And another thing I want to comment on real quick that you
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  said that's important. I see in in pictures at times as
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  well. So I'll, I'll tell people when
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  I'm listening. Sometimes I can watch a movie
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  clip in my head right of what's going on.
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  Like when I was younger, it was over imagination.
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  You know, you're too lofty man. Get your head out of the clouds.
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  But that's the way God made me and I had to learn through a
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  very difficult process that I'm not ashamed of that that I can
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  see in pictures. And sometimes it's super
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  helpful. So I can totally relate to what
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  you're saying. It's hey, Nathan, the original
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  Hebrew was pictographic, Paleo Hebrew.
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  It was all pictures in the beginning.
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  That's how God was creating his language and communication.
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  And so not to go on rabbit row because I can definitely do that
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  to us. Let's try to steer back to to
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  these some of these concepts you got because what you were laying
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  out, the sobering warnings about AI, about systems that are in
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  play, back feeds, if you will, programs that we're all up
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  against was pretty important. Do you just kind of want to walk
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  into any one of those topics? I think AI is in general is a
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  another form of a tool. The tool itself can be neither
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  evil nor good. It is a tool.
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  The difference with AI, however, is that we have given a machine
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  the ability to think and to process on the base level code.
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  And I've, I've written very, very small, more of an
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  exploratory learning how it works AI system for doing
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  addition, so to speak. And, and I found the tutorial
• 25:07
  online that I kind of walk through with it and it really
• 25:12
  showed like these. The way it thinks is mirrored
• 25:18
  after, well, they try to mirror at it after how our brain
• 25:23
  processes. I know I'm kind of being very
• 25:28
  general neutral here, but I really think that the question
• 25:35
  of whether AI is evil or not is it could be.
• 25:44
  And I think that whoever is feeding it the most, that's what
• 25:50
  it will be. Just like olden days, you would
• 25:55
  leave your dog out chained up outside with no interaction and
• 26:00
  that dog would become aggressive.
• 26:02
  And people wanted that behavior to protect their houses, their
• 26:05
  land and their house and their livelihood.
• 26:07
  And another, another sense you could be overly giving to your
• 26:15
  dog and spoil your dog. And then you have a dog that's
• 26:19
  always expecting stuff, is always needing things.
• 26:23
  And I think that's a simplistic analogy of what AAI is.
• 26:31
  AI is whatever you feed it now I, I've, I've listened to, I
• 26:37
  think I'm on like 170 something episodes of of the podcast and
• 26:44
  there's talks of it being demonic and fallen angelic
• 26:50
  influences. And I can't say that that isn't
• 26:55
  real. What I feel like for the normal
• 27:00
  day-to-day Christian is we see the this system coming into our
• 27:09
  lives. We see the fact that it's A tag
• 27:13
  word. It is, it's it's being installed
• 27:16
  on everything we have. We have AI on our TV's and on
• 27:22
  our dishwashers and on our phones and on our computers and
• 27:26
  it's inexcapable. What we need to look at when it
• 27:29
  comes to whether AI is evil or not, from a day-to-day
• 27:34
  perspective, how it is influencing our lives exactly
• 27:42
  How is this AI taking away what is God?
• 27:49
  It's not taking away. And we as humans, we prefer to
• 27:54
  be do things easier and be in more comfort and we love
• 28:02
  entertainment and AI gives us an opportunity to do all three of
• 28:08
  those. My biggest concern with it isn't
• 28:13
  the the picture of what it's being fed, but what it's feeding
• 28:19
  me and what it is doing for me. I think that there's a slippery
• 28:26
  slope as AI gets gets smarter and it's tied to everything.
• 28:34
  And we already know that everything we see we do in this
• 28:37
  day and age. Our data.
• 28:39
  We are data. They are collecting our data.
• 28:42
  They are learning who we are happening.
• 28:45
  They're probably sharing the data and creating outline of who
• 28:50
  we are. And they were doing that, you
• 28:51
  know, before AI really came to the forefront for us consumers.
• 28:57
  You know, growing up, I knew 20 phone numbers.
• 29:03
  I had them all memorized. Yeah.
• 29:05
  I remember all of my, my friends house numbers in the
• 29:09
  neighborhood. I was, it's so crazy bringing
• 29:12
  that up. I was just talking with an old
• 29:14
  childhood friend of mine a few weeks ago and I'm like, I
• 29:17
  rattled off his, his house number and he's like, yeah,
• 29:19
  dude, I remember yours. And yeah, yeah, how about that?
• 29:24
  And now I, I, I'm, I think I know my wife's and for some
• 29:29
  reason I remember my dad's number.
• 29:32
  So if we see how technology without AI has affected us, we
• 29:37
  have given right, we have given the technology the right to
• 29:43
  memorize for us. My biggest fear with AI on my
• 29:50
  day-to-day walk. OK, So it's remembering for me.
• 29:56
  It's helping me write papers. Yeah, it can teach you concepts.
• 30:00
  It can do this for you and that for you and simplify your life.
• 30:04
  But what are you giving up for that?
• 30:07
  And I think what you're giving up is your mind and.
• 30:12
  And is in my opinion, and I'm like, this is, I don't know how
• 30:19
  to say it. This is really where I see AI
• 30:27
  affecting the majority of humans and I feel like whether AIAI is
• 30:38
  a tool, but those create people who are creating the tools.
• 30:43
  People are feeding the tools have created a system that you
• 30:48
  are the product. So when you become the product
• 30:54
  and now they have a system to learn what you want and now you
• 31:00
  think you are in invested into this system you or have given
• 31:08
  up. It is a slippery slope to give
• 31:12
  up your ability to memorize, to think critically, and to decide
• 31:24
  for yourself what decisions you want to make.
• 31:30
  A is building this picture of you the more you feed it, which
• 31:37
  unfortunately we're feeding it no matter what we do this day
• 31:40
  and age. The more you feed it, the more
• 31:43
  it learns. You think about your Netflix
• 31:49
  movie recommendations. At first, it starts off, this is
• 31:53
  what most people who watch these things watch.
• 31:56
  And then the next step is gonna be, no, I know you.
• 32:00
  This is this is a new show. I guarantee you're gonna like
• 32:03
  it. Yeah, it's, it's like a creepy
• 32:08
  observation. I mean, you know, Nathan, kind
• 32:10
  of what I'm hearing, right, is like AI is remembering things
• 32:16
  for us and tailoring the day-to-day priority of our
• 32:21
  attention. Super dangerous because as
• 32:24
  Christians, we're called to wash our minds in the word, renew the
• 32:29
  way that we think according to this eternal word.
• 32:33
  And AI is definitely in a flashy and comfortable and and
• 32:38
  entertaining and exciting way, stepping into that contending
• 32:43
  realm for our attention, for our mind.
• 32:48
  And here's a here's some weird thoughts that I have about AI.
• 32:52
  What if AI isn't brand new? What if it's the hardware that
• 32:56
  is slowly being unrolled over time?
• 32:59
  OK. And this kind of a theoretical
• 33:01
  cloud version of remembering things for us and introducing
• 33:06
  ideas is actually coming from a spiritual layer where we know
• 33:12
  biblically there's a great cloud of witnesses, whether that's
• 33:15
  negative or positive in your opinion.
• 33:17
  To me, I take that as a positive.
• 33:19
  The negative side is there's an enemy that's watching day in and
• 33:24
  day out. So what if the spirit realm
• 33:28
  needs the agreement of individuals in order to continue
• 33:33
  to study them and log those memories over a period of time
• 33:37
  so that the the sentient kind of mind behind AI might be ancient.
• 33:43
  It might not be some brand new memorization tool that we've
• 33:50
  connected in the Internet of Things.
• 33:51
  Maybe it's a spiritual interface.
• 33:54
  And maybe those spirits need each one of our agreement to
• 34:01
  continue for them to log the information in these computers
• 34:07
  and cell phones. Just a weird, spooky thought
• 34:09
  that I have. Well, what if this, you know,
• 34:12
  we're living in the end of days and what if this is the the
• 34:15
  great set up for the beast system that so many of my
• 34:19
  friends and friends of the show have talked about over the
• 34:22
  years. You know, Gons with Age of
• 34:24
  Deceit 1 all the way to Age of Deceit 4.
• 34:27
  You know, you look at David Beverly and the things that he's
• 34:29
  talking about as a previous NASA employee and just the
• 34:32
  information he brings to the table.
• 34:33
  There's many individuals, Doctor Laura Sanger, having that dream
• 34:38
  about AI enslaving our children and stealing the vocal cords of
• 34:43
  our youth. And then you walk around Nathan
• 34:47
  and everybody's staring into a phone.
• 34:48
  You go to a park, they're staring at a phone.
• 34:50
  Like I've been purposely like putting my phone away from me
• 34:53
  and doing projects, think tanks on my own.
• 34:56
  Me and the Holy Spirit. Let's go for a walk.
• 34:59
  And I, I'm going to tell you that I do notice a difference
• 35:02
  now, as far as like you're the outline you sent me is genius.
• 35:05
  First of all, let me read. Let me read something that you
• 35:09
  sent here, OK. AI is set up for the human race
• 35:13
  in order to to get us to give up our minds.
• 35:16
  You know, you're saying AI is like a Google.
• 35:18
  It can look things up where it can do task, help you learn
• 35:21
  things. However, it's slowly learning
• 35:24
  you how you think, how you live what the next curation and
• 35:29
  playlist that you might be interested in and it's it's
• 35:32
  recommending all these things, OK.
• 35:34
  And it has its own ideas then about each individual person.
• 35:38
  Things like should you watch or listen to these recommendations?
• 35:43
  AI doesn't need to be smart in order to enslave us.
• 35:48
  The three largest money makers revolve around 3 things,
• 35:50
  entertainment, convenience and comfort.
• 35:53
  Our modern life is centered around endorphin highs and not
• 35:58
  the true joy that the Bible speaks about.
• 36:02
  AI only needs to make life easier.
• 36:05
  So the purpose of this technology is definitely, I
• 36:07
  would agree with whether people are in the via negativa or the
• 36:10
  positive on this conversation, whether they think it's demoniac
• 36:13
  or, you know, dominions, principalities, powers, rulers,
• 36:16
  archons that are controlling, you know, slow unraveling
• 36:20
  through multiple generations of technology.
• 36:21
  Whether people believe that or not, it still doesn't negate the
• 36:25
  fact Nathan, that the AI in the way we're interacting with it on
• 36:29
  a daily basis is surplanting our dependence, our reliance and the
• 36:34
  beautiful, the, the intricacies of our relationship with the
• 36:38
  father. The quiet time, time to read,
• 36:42
  time to meditate, time to seek his FaceTime to wash our minds.
• 36:46
  And I, I, I'm a victim of this. I'm not speaking like, oh, I've
• 36:49
  got it figured out. My God.
• 36:51
  I mean, people are sending me videos and stuff all the time.
• 36:53
  I'm like rarely. Well, I click on a link that
• 36:55
  somebody sends me and watch it, unless it's like a close friend
• 36:58
  of mine. But man, people are always like,
• 37:01
  hey, I got explosive information, Rod, you got to
• 37:03
  hear this. This is next level, man.
• 37:05
  This is going to change. And I'm like, I don't know how I
• 37:08
  feel about this stuff anymore. It's crazy.
• 37:12
  I definitely think that AI as a technology, would we have come
• 37:18
  up with it if Sin wasn't introduced into the world and I
• 37:26
  even even if we had the seasons and and the, the weather
• 37:31
  hardships and so on so forth that we have now, I don't think
• 37:36
  so. I I really don't.
• 37:37
  Wow. Community living.
• 37:41
  We, we would, you know, the, the, the whole tribal thing and
• 37:44
  not saying like, let's go back to the Stone Age and let's run
• 37:47
  around a fire with a stick. No, I'm talking about
• 37:50
  communication, eye contact, eye language, going for a walk,
• 37:55
  enjoying quality time with individuals.
• 38:00
  Yep, and and learning communication with each other.
• 38:05
  Our modern society has there's a social aspect to everything we
• 38:13
  do with our electronics, but that's not communication.
• 38:19
  Communication is a phone call back and forth where we can hear
• 38:25
  each other's voice response. Not just a text response, but a
• 38:30
  voice response and connecting with each other.
• 38:33
  And sometimes you can get that over text, but if you're only
• 38:38
  doing it through your friends and social medias, and that's
• 38:42
  not real communication. It's a form of communication,
• 38:46
  but it doesn't allow for the depths that you get.
• 38:49
  And there are time. There's always, you know,
• 38:51
  everything's a bell curve, there's extremes on either side.
• 38:54
  But the majority of the time you're not really communicating.
• 38:58
  You're not able to step into the life of somebody unless you're
• 39:02
  connecting with them on a more physical level.
• 39:09
  Wasn't that crazy how AI now is trying to slip in umms and
• 39:14
  pauses and, you know, they're trying to really learn the power
• 39:18
  of this, this online communication and to mimic a
• 39:21
  human and the breaths, right. And it's like, Oh my God, who's
• 39:25
  AI and who's not AI? Like when you're watching stuff
• 39:28
  on your algorithm feed, because we know obviously they're
• 39:30
  studying you, they're selling your information.
• 39:33
  You know, they're, they're, they're recommending things
• 39:35
  based on how to harness you to the plow and to make you produce
• 39:39
  or to get money from you. That is the name of the beast
• 39:42
  systems that we're up against. And it yeah, the last time I sat
• 39:48
  down, well, I mean today, but I mean, I sat with my wife and you
• 39:51
  know, we had coffee in the morning and tea and priceless,
• 39:55
  priceless for for people to. You're so right, Nathan.
• 40:00
  All the different apps. Oh, I have 10 different apps to
• 40:03
  communicate on. It's like this scary reminder
• 40:07
  that when God is saying I didn't know you to the goats.
• 40:11
  What? You know the sheep and goat
• 40:12
  nation parable? Sheep were blind.
• 40:15
  They can't really see, but they can hear and they can respond
• 40:20
  and they get scooped up by the Messiah and, and he comes
• 40:23
  running after him. They can hear his voice.
• 40:27
  They can pick him out of 100 different people making sound.
• 40:29
  They're like, Nope, that's my guy.
• 40:31
  I can hear. And you think about the goats
• 40:33
  and they're like, we did this and we did that.
• 40:35
  And it you look at this, how AI is pushing this kind of like
• 40:39
  crazy counter church movements where people will say things
• 40:43
  like, if you weren't here for this event, right, you didn't
• 40:47
  participate in God's will or revival like that.
• 40:50
  Man, I've been to a lot of revivals.
• 40:52
  I'm not going to say all of them are bad.
• 40:53
  I have nothing bad to say about the people I've done ministry
• 40:56
  with. But there's something really
• 40:58
  dark and weird about people trying to say this scheduled
• 41:02
  meet up is a revival and if you're not there for it, you
• 41:05
  won't be revived. Like what are you talking about
• 41:10
  when you say you're a Christian or you're looking at Christian
• 41:12
  content or any content, it will filter and try to force a
• 41:17
  narrative at you, but it it goes right back to what you were
• 41:20
  saying earlier, Nathan. If we don't have that allotted
• 41:26
  and respected quiet time or loud time shouting in praise, doesn't
• 41:31
  matter. But time appointed times, moment
• 41:36
  to moment times where we're running to the Father and
• 41:38
  leaning into our faith. That's pretty scary.
• 41:41
  Because the reality is if you're allowing an AI hive mind system
• 41:47
  to navigate all of your thoughts, you're not hearing
• 41:54
  while you're missing opportunities to hear from the
• 41:55
  Father, that's for sure. I mean, there's been days where
• 41:59
  I checked my phone and it was like, you spent four hours and
• 42:02
  18 minutes on your phone screen time today.
• 42:05
  And I'm like, what? I spent there's 24 hours in a
• 42:08
  day. Like, how did I do that?
• 42:09
  And I'm like, Oh my God, I was reading emails.
• 42:11
  I was responding to this. I was in this group.
• 42:13
  It's crazy, man. It's absolutely.
• 42:16
  Yeah, I feel old saying this, but I think we're old enough now
• 42:20
  that we know, we've seen it come into play, we've seen the
• 42:25
  technology progress. But what if you were born now?
• 42:29
  If you were born now, a guys can help you do everything and then
• 42:34
  at what point is it? Are you no longer making the
• 42:38
  decision? And it is and and it's it's
• 42:42
  telling you what decision to make.
• 42:45
  The scary part about AI is that it will know when you are ready
• 42:53
  for it to tell you what decision to make.
• 42:56
  That's a wild statement. My God, Nathan and many of us,
• 43:02
  all of us are subjected to at least a level of SRA.
• 43:07
  The Lord Jesus Christ was the most publicly, satanically,
• 43:09
  ritually abused individual in history.
• 43:13
  They they crucify him, they're ripped his beard out, they put
• 43:16
  thorns, 2/3 inch thorns shoved into his head.
• 43:19
  They whipped and beat his body. This is publicly happening.
• 43:24
  But when I look at what I call Nathan step one and two of
• 43:28
  satanic ritual abuse, it's things like the elevator music,
• 43:34
  the music playing when you're shopping at the mall in 440
• 43:38
  frequency, harmful frequency rates, the billboards, the
• 43:42
  propaganda, I mean, the the, the pressures of this world, right?
• 43:48
  These are levels of, in my opinion, and not everybody also
• 43:52
  agree with me, but satanic ritual abuses because the
• 43:55
  Kingdom that's coming, none of this stuff that we're
• 43:58
  experiencing right now is going to exist there.
• 44:00
  We won't even have the sun in the sky because he will be
• 44:03
  illuminating. He'll, he'll be bright enough
• 44:06
  that we don't even need the sun, the moon and the stars.
• 44:09
  OK? That's the Kingdom that's
• 44:10
  coming. Whether it's in the age to come
• 44:12
  or it happens next week or it's another 500 years, it doesn't
• 44:16
  matter. Our personal rapture is when we
• 44:18
  die. And that could be at any time
• 44:20
  for any of us. And so all of the stuff that's
• 44:23
  taking place, Nathan, the programming, the, the bad
• 44:27
  frequencies that they're broadcasting to us are a form of
• 44:32
  programming ritual abuse where it's, it's, it's just a little
• 44:35
  bit of an irritation. It's just a little bit off.
• 44:38
  It's just, it's, it's a little bit synthetic, more synthetic in
• 44:41
  your environment, synthetic, light synthetic music.
• 44:44
  It's just crazy. So when we're talking about all
• 44:46
  of this in the context of engineering and looking at, you
• 44:51
  know, creating systems, you know, what type of insights
• 44:55
  would you offer in regards to, you know, the hardware being in
• 45:00
  our hands at all times? What is that doing to our body
• 45:03
  in your opinion? And what is it doing to us
• 45:05
  mentally having a phone all the time, 24/7 on your body?
• 45:10
  Any comments on that? I do and and I think this is
• 45:14
  this is one that you have to go before the father and have a
• 45:21
  conversation with him. And if you don't hear an answer,
• 45:26
  then you need to fast. And if you still don't get an
• 45:30
  answer, maybe you should put the phone down for a while.
• 45:35
  And I didn't mean to sound like horribly rude about that, but
• 45:40
  the reality of it is, is we are in a system and we are living in
• 45:46
  a system and we don't even know what systems we are a part of.
• 45:53
  I love to think that a lot of the engineers developing these
• 45:56
  systems are having a great old time.
• 45:58
  If you would, if you would ask me tomorrow if I could go work
• 46:02
  develop the next AI engine, it would be hard pressed for me to
• 46:06
  say no. As an engineer R&D coding on a
• 46:11
  next level, that's fun, but it's the what is driving it from the
• 46:17
  top down, or I mean we want to say more literally from the
• 46:23
  bottom down, meaning that Satan has a purpose for all the
• 46:29
  technology that has come out and most technology.
• 46:35
  Like I said, if sin wasn't introduced into the world, I'm
• 46:40
  not sure if we would have. And I just lost my train of
• 46:43
  thought. No, that's really good, Nathan,
• 46:46
  because you think the Kingdom that's coming and and what we've
• 46:51
  been grafted into and what we will be completely restored to
• 46:56
  on these end days is Eden. The way it was intended to be
• 47:01
  without the fall where, you know, glory bathed in light, God
• 47:08
  walking in the cold of the day with us continually.
• 47:12
  I mean if you really do think anything that tries to bring
• 47:15
  comfort into your life, that is outside of the fiery furnace
• 47:20
  process that God uses to refine us like gold.
• 47:23
  Oh how your faith is more precious than gold faith.
• 47:29
  But yet we have these counter systems that are constantly
• 47:34
  looking to make life easier, more convenient, to be more in
• 47:37
  with the times. And how foolish are we as a
• 47:41
  generation to not acknowledge it and to to cry out and say, hey,
• 47:47
  there's warnings that come along with this.
• 47:50
  You must not have read the warning label.
• 47:53
  Because now we're all looking around trying to figure out what
• 47:56
  do we do? What's happening?
• 47:58
  What timeline are we living in? It's like, man, if you think
• 48:03
  about all the satanic ritual abuse that's happening, as I
• 48:06
  mentioned earlier, who's to say the DID dissociative identity
• 48:11
  disorder, the splitting that takes place within individuals,
• 48:15
  you lose some memory, a part of that splitting.
• 48:18
  It's a protective mechanism within the mind.
• 48:20
  And I had numerous on air and off air discussions many, many
• 48:25
  years with the likes of Doctor Lara Sanger and many others who
• 48:28
  are Privy on these topics. The brain does something weird.
• 48:32
  It'll go into a bit of a survival mode, like a like a
• 48:35
  coping mechanism. So parts or presenters will take
• 48:41
  the wheel and deal with different situations.
• 48:44
  Now let's say COVID happened and wow, that's a scary word to say
• 48:48
  because that definitely gets me booted everywhere I try to put
• 48:51
  this show, but you know, the Jabby stuff and all of that, it
• 48:57
  traumatized the world. So when people are traumatized,
• 49:00
  Nathan, and people are going through like these super
• 49:03
  hardships, mental gymnastics, it's really easy to introduce
• 49:08
  thoughts and ideas that you may take as your own memories.
• 49:14
  They might not be your own memory.
• 49:16
  So if you got AI out here recording all of your
• 49:20
  information when you're most vulnerable, who's to say AI
• 49:24
  wouldn't be planting false thoughts, narratives and ideas
• 49:30
  about your past and who you are? It's an identity crisis.
• 49:35
  Yeah, we are facing an identity crisis, Nathan.
• 49:39
  I think that's exactly for our Christian brothers and sisters.
• 49:44
  I think that's exactly what we're up against.
• 49:48
  We have to go back. We need to continue learning
• 49:54
  about stuff that we haven't been taught, stuff that many of your
• 50:00
  guests have talked about. Gary Wayne's one of my
• 50:03
  favourites, by the way. I'm just throwing that out
• 50:05
  there. But like we never would have
• 50:09
  talked about that stuff in in the past, but we we need to
• 50:15
  couple that with our own identity and Christ and it now
• 50:22
  more than ever is Scripture memorization important.
• 50:26
  Now more than ever, is fasting important?
• 50:30
  We live in such luxury. I think we kind of see the
• 50:37
  persecution of Christian Christians in America rising,
• 50:42
  but we still have it really good.
• 50:47
  And so if we are living in a bubble of comfort, how are we
• 50:52
  going to get refined? And I think the answer to that
• 50:57
  is we need to recenter. We need to keep learning and
• 51:03
  keep growing, but also focus on recentering ourselves in our
• 51:12
  relationship with the Father and fast from things you don't think
• 51:18
  you need to fast from. If it is something that is of
• 51:24
  comfort and of joy that is not from the Father, you should
• 51:28
  probably try fasting from it. And if it's hard you should ask
• 51:33
  God why? Why is this hard for me to fast
• 51:36
  from this? And some of some people can, but
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  I think the majority of us can't see the big movements from the
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  the fallen angels and what they're doing.
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  But we can. But we can see how the trickle
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  down is affecting our day-to-day life now.
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  So much more important for us to focus on the truth and to
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  separate ourselves from the world.
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  We need to live in the world, but not of the world.
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  We can have our phones and have, I'm not saying we need to get
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  rid of anything, but we need to understand and be able to draw
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  the line of no, I'm going to memorize this.
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  I'm going to learn how to do this.
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  I'm going to take the extra, the extra, however long it takes to
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  get to from A to B because I need to be able to do that and
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  not allow our emerging technology and the technology
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  we've had to take that spot from us.
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  Scripture memorization is something I am very much
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  struggle with, but it is it is throughout the Bible for us to
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  be memorizing Scripture. But why is that?
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  Not only does it help us know right from wrong, but it also
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  keeps our minds sharp reading the scripture every day.
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  Memorizing the Scripture not only brings us closer to God,
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  but it is a physically feeding the needs of our mind to grow
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  and to strengthen and to, in essence, become smarter.
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  Feeding the neuro pathways in our brain, as Doctor Laura
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  Sanger would say, right. The way that we think it's, it's
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  better to have no thoughts at all than it is to have negative
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  thoughts. Positive thoughts literally
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  rewires our brain. And So what do we, when we're
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  talking about the scriptures, when we're reading the records
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  of what the 40 different authors over over the course of
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  thousands of years have written by the moving of the Holy
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  Spirit, the Ruach? Yeah, that is definitely
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  something we want to be storing deep within us.
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  I think it was David in the Old Testament who said I store your
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  word within my heart that I may not sin against you.
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  So interesting. You know, David understood Like,
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  hey, I'm attempting and I'm wrestling and grappling that I
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  may keep and and and lean into and absorb and take in this word
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  that I might not sin against him.
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  Sobering. You know, something you said a
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  couple minutes ago, Nathan, being uncomfortable and how the
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  comfort culture we're currently living in and the ease of access
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  that AI offers us, it really does keep us away from the
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  growing pains, if I can say it that way.
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  And I wrote some like original, you know, parables in in my
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  book. The words are salt.
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  One of the quotes I said was growing and learning while
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  healing and hurting is only for the wild at heart.
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  I mean, just think about that. Growing and learning at the same
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  time. You're healing and you're
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  hurting from all the things. All the things.
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  It's only for the wild at heart. And who's the original wild one?
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  It's the most high. He's the one who made a £500
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  tiger in a jungle that could RIP you to shreds if it was hungry
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  and you were found at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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  He's a wild creator. And it's only right for us to be
• 55:45
  a little bit wild ourselves, a little bit of Stardust from the
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  mega star, if I can say it that way.
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  And by doing that, it would be challenging the narrative,
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  pushing back. Don't just go with the flow.
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  My listeners know this and I know you know this.
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  Nathan, you said you listen to about 170 episodes.
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  Our catalog is reaching 300 by the time this episode comes out.
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  Keep going against the grain, listeners.
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  But more than just going against the grain or making a stand,
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  which is honorable, making an eternal stance is of utmost
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  importance for the time that we have left.
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  And that can start with you taking your relationship with
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  the Lord more serious than you're taking time to
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  understand. What AI is recommending next.
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  The next YouTube video, click next.
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  You just finished it. It's an hour and 40 minutes
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  long. We got another one for you.
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  Listen, I get it. I get trapped in YouTube world
• 56:47
  also. But I think, you know, if we
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  have discipleship, which Nathan really means to offend each
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  other, offend each other with grace is true discipleship, You
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  know, because you can't just tell everybody, hey, you're
• 57:02
  everything's OK, you're doing everything right.
• 57:05
  And open rebuke is better than a hidden love.
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  And that's difficult stuff. But that's what we're called to
• 57:11
  do. We're going to call this a Part
• 57:14
  1. I'm going to invite you back and
• 57:15
  we'll, we'll get more into like the, the technology jargon and,
• 57:19
  and, you know, a little bit more defining some of these threads
• 57:22
  that we'd like to talk about. I think this is a really good
• 57:24
  way for Part 1 here for you to share your heart and just cut,
• 57:27
  you know, just to open up and get familiar with the audience.
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  But I'd like to ask, you know, for you to help us land this
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  plane with giving us a word of encouragement and yeah, let's go
• 57:43
  there. If we look at the armor of God,
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  there are two that American modern Christians have, and
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  maybe other parts of the world are struggling with it too.
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  But I see two things that we need to really focus on.
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  So I guess my parting encouragement is homework, and
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  that is the shield of faith and the sword of the spirit.
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  Without a shield, we can't be in a battle.
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  We may be unharmed by the barrage from the enemy, but we
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  can't move forward without that shield.
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  And without the without the sword of the spirit and speaking
• 58:42
  truth into the lives of those around us, we can't actually
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  defeat the enemy. You can't go into battle and
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  hope to win without a weapon, and you can't expect to go into
• 58:59
  battle without a shield. So I really hope that the people
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  who listen to this focus on the sword and the shield and how to
• 59:18
  move forward in this battle and how to make headway.
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  Where does God want you to fight?
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  And you know you're going to be fighting and you're, you're
• 59:29
  hitting the enemy where it hurts when you have opposition, when
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  you have attacks from the enemy and you can feel it, you know
• 59:40
  you're moving in the right direction.
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  I I think that's it. Nathan Myers, it was an honor to
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  get you on this Part 1 and love your heart for the Lord.
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  Man, I, I, I just really want to honor you for your time and
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  thank you for being available to get this message out there.
• 59:59
  Your story and testimony is important.
• 1:00:03
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 1:00:05
  It's it's, it's, it's an honor to be on a podcast with so many
• 1:00:10
  people have been on it that I look up to like it's, it's
• 1:00:15
  great. Thank you.
• 1:00:18
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  God bless and goodbye. I feel guilty, but I know that
• 1:01:27
  guilt's not from you. I feel guilty.
• 1:01:31
  I'm calling. I feel guilty.
• 1:01:34
  I'm calling you. I'm calling you.
• 1:01:42
  I've been a friend of many strangers, a stranger to many
• 1:01:44
  friends. I always handle all the dangers,
• 1:01:47
  always make amends. I hear the prophetic release.
• 1:01:49
  Can you detect I'm recognizing to walk in my brokenness, to be
• 1:01:53
  perfected. It's the sacred dance of life
• 1:01:56
  and death. The powers in your tongue suffer
• 1:01:59
  right? The rest I mumble, the grumble,
• 1:02:01
  a true prayer from my spirit. I walk with the broken and
• 1:02:05
  neglected. I walked away from the only ones
• 1:02:07
  I love and not going to feel the pain.
• 1:02:10
  Always the spot or the detective.
• 1:02:11
  I always cry when push come to shove.
• 1:02:14
  Can you check it? I've sat with the old and the
• 1:02:16
  barrack. I've danced with the young and
• 1:02:18
  wild. Since there's nothing left, I'll
• 1:02:20
  feast it with the starving Manson.
• 1:02:22
  I've starved in the presence of kings.
• 1:02:24
  And I always defend the class I. Feel guilty but I'm still
• 1:02:27
  trying. I'm still trying to let go.
• 1:02:31
  I feel shackled. But I'm.
• 1:02:33
  I'm shackled. You all.
• 1:02:36
  Oh, I'm unworthy. I'm calling.
• 1:02:38
  I'm still trying to let go. I feel guilty.
• 1:02:43
  But I know that guilt's not from you.
• 1:02:47
  Oh, I feel guilty. I'm calling.
• 1:02:50
  I feel guilty. I'm calling.
• 1:02:55
  I'm calling you. I'm calling you.
• 1:03:19
  Ryan, trust no one.