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Healing by Design with Dr. Jason Kramer · Christian Business Growth Podcast

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  Hello and welcome to the Christian Business Growth Podcast.
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  I'm here with Dr.
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  Jason.
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  Dr.
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  Jason, let's put that word together.
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  He's a neurochiropractic.
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  He does things different.
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  Now, I'll tell you honestly, I've had problems with my neck.
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  So if you see me doing this, that's what that is.
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  And so I've gone to chiropractors and a lot of Christians are like, oh, I'm a Christian.
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  Am I really allowed to go to chiropractor?
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  Is that legitimate medicine, everything?
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  So we're going to have an open-frame conversation.
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  But first I want to hear Dr.
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  Jason, welcome and tell us your story.
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  How'd you get started?
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  your business.
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  Thanks for having me, Lyle.
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  I'm excited about this.
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  The business got started years ago.
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  It probably started in the making before I even became a chiropractor.
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  A very brief story of how I got into this and how it all started was I got in a car accident when I was in undergrad and
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  I did what everybody does when they get in a car accident, you go see a chiropractor, right?
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  That's what chiropractic is for.
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  It's for back pain, for neck pain, for headaches, for car accidents.
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  That's the only thing I thought it was for.
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  So I ended up seeing one and this guy says, what do you end up, we long story short, he's a smart aleck just like I was, I was 20 years old.
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  And he goes, what do you actually want to do with your life?
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  And we're just BSing together.
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  I said, well, I'm not really sure I want to do something in health because I've always wanted to be healthy and natural health has always been important.
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  But.
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  I kind of want to be a teacher.
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  thought about doing that for a while and he says teacher.
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  I said, yeah, well, everybody can remember one of those teachers that they've had way back in the day.
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  can probably even, I mean, shoot loud, you could probably remember one right now.
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  If you think of a teacher back in the day, you can probably think of like the influence they had on you or you can even remember their face.
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  And I can do that same.
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  I was my fifth grade teacher.
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  I'd actually go back when I was in high school and even back from undergrad and just have chats with her.
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  So I kind of wanted to be a teacher.
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  uh...
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  he says why i said well because i want to make a difference i think that'd be really cool i want to be one of those people and he uh...
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  he if you really want to make a difference you gotta be a chiropractor and i was like sure yeah um...
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  i understand the chiropractors help to make a difference and they help people get out of pain and that's awesome but i'm at like on a deeper level and he says no no no
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  You should come shadow for just one afternoon and see what you think.
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  So I did.
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  And what I saw was there were a few people in pain, but he helped people on the spectrum with health issues, stuff that they couldn't find answers for throughout any natural means
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  or pharmaceutical means or mainstream medical means.
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  And people were bringing their kids in for colic issues, for asthma and allergy issues, for digestive issues, mom with infertility issues, headaches and migraines, blood pressure
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  issues, all this stuff.
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  And I thought, what in the
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  world is going on you're either tricking me or there's this there's some sort of voodoo going on and he goes no no no here's the thing is the nervous system controls every single
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  thing in your body you said God created the body God heals the body the chiropractor's job is to remove the fearance interference and get out of the way the body is created pretty
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  well to self-regulate and self-heal and I went I can get on board with that I can I can do that
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  So ever since then, that's how everything kind of started for me anyway.
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  Fast forward to
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  Going through school and seminars and one of the things we learn about is statistics health wise we're not that healthy ah overall, especially not in our country is crazy to
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  hear stuff like We how much of the world's population we make up and how much money we spend on health But how we're one of the sickest in fact, I think now we're the sickest in
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  Dutch industrialized nation, which is crazy We take more pills and medications and surgeries and procedures than anybody else and especially
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  more money on them than anybody else but we're not any healthier in fact we're less healthy ah so that kind of built a fire in me going wait a second if all these things that
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  I saw and if all these statistics are real we need to change we need some kind of actually wrote this in my notes when I was back in school we need a healthcare revolution and
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  that's kind of where revolution chiropractic came from
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  It's just natural health and we're doing it the best that we can and our entire job is to correct the interference in the nervous system, get out of the way so that the body that
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  the good Lord created can work the way that he created it to work.
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  And that's just kind of where we've been at for the last 14 years now.
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  That's cool.
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  And you and I have talked about this a little bit, how everyone lives in a box.
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  We type in front of us, we're driving in front of us, we're cooking in front of us, and our body just has this little small area of movement, and our bodies don't have that
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  movement that takes us further and beyond things and everything.
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  And so the adjustments you're doing are helping our body move and the body flow better.
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  So explain a little bit, because I know you and I have talked about this, you're not the cracking back type chiropractor.
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  You do something different, because you see how the body is created by God.
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  strategically and intelligently.
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  Very much so.
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  So I guess probably the best way to put it is I jokingly tell people that you can teach a monkey to do chiropractic if all you do is point to where it hurts and push really hard.
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  But if we can take a step back and say what even caused that pain in the first place and then we have to remember that pain is a symptom.
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  So in order to have a symptom there has to be something wrong with the system of the body.
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  And we have to remember that the system of the body, all systems of the body, are controlled and coordinated by the central nervous system.
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  So if we go back to the nervous system and we actually have some pretty cool, as you know, some pretty cool grade three medical equipment here that we actually scan and assess the
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  nervous system for.
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  So we can see what fuses in that nervous system are blown, just like a breaker box, which ones are about to blow and they're overworked and overwhelmed.
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  And we can go back there and make specific adjustments to those areas, which will help the communication between the nervous system and the system of the body.
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  The system of the body gets better.
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  Now there's no reason they even have that symptom.
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  So the symptom, like often pain, goes away.
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  And it's nothing miraculous.
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  We're just using what the body has, the way the body was created, and going back there, just doing it a little more objectively so we could test, treat.
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  Retest and then see if we've made any difference and it all goes back to the way the nervous system was created We just know it's got to work a certain way if it's not there's
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  got to be a reason and we want we're reason people We found that a lot of times people don't dig deep enough when there's an issue going on
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  And I'm the same way because if I have a symptom, I'm a big baby too, just like a lot of people.
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  Nobody wants symptoms.
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  You want to treat the symptom right away so you feel better.
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  But oftentimes, once the symptom is better, we forget that we still have to figure out what caused it in the first place to see if that's hanging around.
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  So that's kind of the whole approach that we take to that.
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  And just real quickly, what do you call your style of chiropractic?
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  Okay, somebody's not in the Dallas area.
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  If you're in the Dallas area, I highly suggest checking out Dr.
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  Kramer, but if they're not in the Dallas area, what's the style of chiropractic?
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  So somebody could search that and look that up online.
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  Well for us, I would tell you to search either neurochiropractic, neurotonal chiropractic, or we often use just a tonal-based chiropractic.
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  So it's a little bit different than just hands-off.
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  It's a little bit different than completely hands-on and being forceful.
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  It's a good mix of reading the nervous system and seeing what it actually needs and how it should be best corrected.
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  Okay, makes sense.
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  So tell us what's God doing in your life and in your business currently?
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  You know, it's funny, I watched this, I listened to this sermon the other day with this pastor saying something, he was telling this story about his life and you could tell
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  everybody that was listening just kind of went, what?
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  And he goes, yeah, I talked to God like that.
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  Like, hey, God, what is up?
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  Like, I'm struggling.
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  I got some stuff going on and I'm asking you what's going on and I'm going, huh.
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  And he goes, that's just how I talk to God.
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  It's personal, it's relationship.
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  He's like, I know you love me, I know you got my back, but what is going on?
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  So that's kind of like an ebb and flow in the office and my personal life and with that as well.
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  Sometimes it's like, man, I'm so blessed.
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  And you're so blessed no matter what, but sometimes you're struggling.
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  It's not always sunshine and rainbows.
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  So it's always interesting to start the day or the week or the month or even the year.
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  Everybody writes yearly goals, I feel like, right?
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  Which I feel like is different than resolutions because people are gone with the resolutions by like February.
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  But to have actual goals that you can think about, that you can process through, that you can pray about and see what's going on.
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  I think that that's kind of a big deal.
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  In fact, we even start every day here at the office with a daily devotional.
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  Just gives us a Bible verse, a description, and then we were able to discuss it as a team and say, what does this actually mean?
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  How does it apply to our lives?
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  How does it apply to the practice and to the community?
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  And what can we best do today to not only better ourselves, but help influence and make a difference in the people that walk through our doors?
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  So I think it's just all encompassing day to day.
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  day-to-day challenges, struggles, trials, and relationships, really.
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  Yeah, there's a song where David says, sounds like my prayers are hitting a tin ceiling and falling back on my face.
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  I to look that verse up, I always forget it.
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  But prayer is that intimate conversation.
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  When that intimacy is broken, it's hard to have a conversation.
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  So tell me, how do you deepen your prayer life?
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  Let's dig in this a little bit.
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  Great question.
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  ah
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  And I'd love to tell you that I have a very specific answer, but I still struggle with it.
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  What I think is I used to have a problem with that going, wait a second, this should just be straightforward.
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  There should be a, I'm at A, I'm gonna go B and then I'll end up at C easily.
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  Turns out that's not real life.
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  So it's just a constant struggle or constant challenge to figure that out on a day-to-day basis.
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  And it's been everything from...
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  daily routines to praying differently or asking for different things.
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  So it's been just a process, I think it's realistically, I think that's how it's supposed to be kind of.
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  It's not just, hey, boom, here's life, here's all the answers.
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  Everything is going to be beautiful and amazing all the time, but there's going to be struggles and triumphs.
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  It's like one of those verses where, uh,
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  God said, I'll butcher this, God doesn't say I'm gonna keep you out of the storms, but he says I'll be there through the storms with you.
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  And again, butchered that, but it's the same kind of thing.
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  So it's just been changing the prayer life, changing the mental part of it and the meditation times and spending time with the Lord, all that.
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  So it's a process that never ends.
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  It's kind of like your relationship with your spouse.
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  I used to tell people, you you don't just go in and say, love you, then that's the end of it.
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  You have this constant back and forth, this constant conversation.
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  And part of that conversation is listening as well.
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  And listening for God to guide you, not just in your personal life, but also in your business life.
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  How does that play into your life?
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  Do you do a lot of that?
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  We do.
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  ah There are a lot of things.
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  fact, yesterday we turned down an opportunity for there's this TV show that was thinking about putting the chiropractor on.
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  I forget what it's called, World's Greatest or something.
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  which I thought we are the world's greatest.
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  This is amazing.
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  This is going to be awesome.
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  So we go, we went through this as a team and sat through an interview and just kind of a process that said, Hey, this is what we're going to do.
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  Do you think you're a good fit?
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  Tell me why.
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  Tell me different ins and outs.
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  And the Eagle part, we were like, yeah.
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  yeah.
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  TV.
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  This is going to be great.
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  We're like, we're in, we got this.
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  When we're sitting back and I think all of us came to the realization.
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  yesterday we turned down even the opportunity to be part of it because it was, hey, this is a national thing.
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  And really all we're going to use it for is ego that says, hey, look at us, look at what we've done.
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  Check this out.
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  but there's not really any meaning behind it.
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  sometimes there's stuff like that that just kind of gets in the way that you gotta take a step back and actually think through those and pray about those and actually think what's
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  real and what's important.
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  So it's little things like that or it's even like I was talking about the daily devotional stuff.
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  Hey, how can we actually apply this today?
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  What do we need to change?
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  What kind of things do need to get rid of?
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  What do we need to implement more?
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  So it's a process of all different kinds of things.
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  Like that TV show, what's that TV show?
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  It's a million little things or something like that.
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  Something like that.
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  But that's, it's just small things all the time.
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  And it turns out some small things aren't that small as you move forward in the process.
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  They add up, yeah, the little small things add up.
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  Especially when it comes to your discipline.
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  I love that you're doing it on a daily basis, you're doing it with your staff.
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  That's huge.
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  That brings you together in a unique way.
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  So we're gonna move into the next section, which we call our business growth section.
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  What are you doing currently that's growing your business and maybe an idea you have that might help someone else in their business?
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  Yeah, great question.
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  Especially because there so many different things I feel like not only for myself, but for everybody.
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  And we've, I think we've tried almost all of them.
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  It feels like over the years, man, we've just, we've just been grinding and then sometimes we'll take a break or sometimes we're slacking or sometimes we're exhausted.
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  And we've done everything from external marketing week after week after week.
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  And what that looks like is finding different community events.
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  We're real big on community, so everything we do for our office, our vision is really to create connection in order to build community through the best form of chiropractic that
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  we can possibly offer.
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  So we're out in the community a lot doing different health screenings or meeting different people, creating connections.
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  But I think what's happened recently, even more than I think is making a bigger impact is being intentional with connection.
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  And it's not just overall connection, which we're not putting that on the, on the back burner.
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  But if you can be intentional with like-minded partners, especially when it comes to business, then it's people that you're like-minded in business with and life with, and
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  they actually want to see you succeed.
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  So they're going to actually help.
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  And you're gonna do the same thing because that's what you're that's the kind of connection that you're looking to provide and that's the kind of kind of connection that
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  you're looking to create so that's one of our bigger things that we've been doing now is Actively seeking searching out and that stuff on different people's websites or find them
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  on social media That's been a great one to find just searching locally who's in your local area that does something similar and for us that's if you're in a natural minded
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  healthcare field in the
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  the area we want to get to know you we want to know a little bit more about you not for selfish reasons but to say hey let's let's do better by ourselves and by our community and
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  just natural growth I think comes from that.
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  So you're about affinity connections, people who are aligned with what you're currently doing.
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  Is that what you're talking about?
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  oh
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  doing community events too and inviting people to that.
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  Talk a little bit about that.
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  How's that impacting your business?
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  We have, some of them are really great, some of them are smaller.
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  We're doing a monthly workshop right now that is a little bit slower to gain some traction, but it starts, we're doing a series right now called Am I Healthy?
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  And I think like right now, what a great time for that because especially going into the colder seasons and right now health is just confusing.
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  People think they're healthy, but is it, are you healthy because you're symptom free?
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  Because the absence of symptoms is not the presence of health.
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  So we'll put on different events like that where we'll feed you.
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  We'll give you food and drinks.
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  Just come by, say hello and let us chat about health for a while.
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  But we'll do much bigger ones.
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  As you know, we do a yearly barbecue event.
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  which is one of my favorite things to do because I love every part of that.
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  So we're doing all the cooking and all the prepping.
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  We do two of them a year.
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  The biggest one is in September and we invite community to it.
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  Most people, think, originally think that it's, oh, you're just doing this to try to create business because you want my business.
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  But that's not at all what we're about when it comes to those type of events.
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  We tell people, bring your family, bring your friends, bring your neighbors.
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  You got parents
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  or family in town that we know can't possibly come to get under care, bring them because we want to love on them.
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  We want to chat with them.
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  So it's just a few hours set up where we get time to feed people, chat with people, connect with people and that's been a really good way to create that extra communication
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  and connection out in the community and that's one of most enjoyable things because our entire team loves doing stuff like that.
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  I think it's funny because you have a hobby of cooking and canning and doing all this interesting stuff.
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  You've taken that and you've literally moved your hobby into your business to make a greater impact.
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  I love to hear how that's transpired.
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  And then going back to what you originally said, you know, want to be a teacher and you're utilizing those same skills in your business.
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  God's allowed you to use that teachability to impact people's health beyond just your practice.
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  It's really a unique thing to see.
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  I didn't realize that when I started going to school that doctor actually means teacher.
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  So I was thinking, man, so what a great thing and how exciting is that.
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  Think about wanting to be an actual teacher being in front of a classroom to teach and connect.
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  But now I still get to do that.
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  It's just in a different form.
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  The one I never saw happen or saw coming.
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  So that's kind of an interesting road or path that has come before me.
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  It's not from my doings.
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  But it's kind of nice to be able to go, Hey, this is actually just what I was talking about doing or wanting to do.
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  Just doing it on a different scale, different level.
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  So that's been kind of cool.
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  Our barbecues are amazing because yes, my hobby, one of my biggest hobbies is to cook food.
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  actually smoked a brisket last night, which most people would be like, wait a second.
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  yeah, I just smoked it overnight.
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  Now it's wrapped and resting in a cooler right now.
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  And I love doing that stuff.
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  It's a hobby, whether it's smoking meats or cooking foods or
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  I like to pickle uh green beans.
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  I tell people they're self-proclaimed world famous.
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  They're all natural and organic.
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  And uh one of the reasons I enjoy doing that because I just like the prep of it.
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  I like the process.
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  But also, if you ever been to grocery store and try to find something pickled or meat-wise on a grocery store shelf and you read the ingredients, that stuff will kill you.
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  It is crazy.
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  So everything we make is natural, organic, sugar-free, no preservatives.
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  And now we get to do that, which I just love doing anyway.
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  And I get to take that and make that kind of like the center or the base of the food part of our community.
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  So I'm gonna get to do my hobby that I love to do anyway.
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  Now I'm bringing it to the barbecues, which I love to do.
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  We're creating that community and hosting an event, which I love to do, and all the while teaching throughout it.
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  So it's become a pretty cool thing.
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  That is cool.
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  What's one little bit of wisdom you want to leave us with as we end up here?
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  Wow.
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  And while you're thinking about it, also think about how we can get in touch with you, especially if someone's local.
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  Sure, probably the biggest thing would be connection.
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  I don't know if that, I'll do this real real quick, I know we're about out of time, but there's a YouTube video where a guy talks about connection and he talks about health and
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  it's the largest health study that's ever been done.
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  It's been going on for man, probably a hundred years now.
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  And it's amazing what's going on because usually a director will die or retire or whatever and the research gets lost.
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  But this has been passed down.
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  And what they did was they started back, think, in the Great Depression and they took two different groups.
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  a group that grew up around the Great Depression.
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  They didn't have any money.
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  They didn't have any like they're homeless.
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  They didn't have much.
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  They're all that.
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  And then the second group were people that were really well off financially and economically and all that.
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  And they've studied their health and ask them questions every few years.
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  And then they even got the spouses involved.
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  And they found that the number one determining factor that they found through all of this research over a hundred years is that the people that live the better quality of life or
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  live the longest, healthiest lives are the ones that have the best connections.
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  It's not about where you grew up.
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  It's not about what you have.
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  It's about who you're
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  connected with and how strong your connections are.
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  And I think that's freaking cool.
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  So if we can help provide that, and I think that if anybody out there can provide that, no matter what your service is, I think that's just gonna be beneficial for you and for those
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  people.
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  So it's a win-win for everybody.
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  That's probably the number one thing I would say.
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  And then if you wanted to get ahold of, what's that?
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  I think that my church is so important because it builds those connections and gives you that immediate affinity with someone.
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  That's huge.
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  Okay, how can I get in touch with you?
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  So you can get in touch with us at several different ways.
• 21:49
  I do tell people that one of the best ways to check us out is on social media.
• 21:55
  And let me just...
• 21:59
  is our social media because that kind of lets you know who we are.
• 22:03
  ah Our Instagram is probably the one that we're most active on is Revolution Chiropractic Dallas.
• 22:12
  Revolution Chiro for Facebook or our YouTube is Revolution Chiropractic Texas.
• 22:18
  That's probably the way to get to know most about us without coming in to spend time which shows all types of personalities and education and connection on those things.
• 22:26
  If you want to check out our websites, revolutionchiropractor.com, give us a call, shoot.
• 22:33
  We're in Plano, 972-599-7064.
• 22:39
  Any one of those ways you can reach out to us and really you don't have to reach out to us just to say, I want an appointment.
• 22:45
  You can reach out and say, hey, I got a question.
• 22:47
  Hey.
• 22:48
  heard you talking about this, you just give me a little more information about this?
• 22:51
  We love that kind of stuff too, so it's not all about capturing every single client patient that we possibly can, but let's help make some connection and help people out the
• 23:00
  best ways that we can.
• 23:01
  Cool.
• 23:02
  Well, thanks for being with us, Jason.
• 23:04
  Appreciate it.