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The Execution of Peggy Lynn Howard · Gone Cold - Texas True Crime

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The Gone Cold. Podcasts may contain violent or graphic subject matter. Listener discretion
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is advised. The loved ones of missing adults go through thought processes that are
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impossible to relate to by someone who has not experienced them. Analyzing every facet
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of that person's life, scrutinizing every recent stressor they've been dealing with, or
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recalling every bad decision they've ever made are often part of the process. Even
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if the disappearance is starkly uncharacteristic, Clinging to the threads of hope that it
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was simply a relapse or mental breakdown, something that is undoubtedly worrisome, but
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temporary and fixable once the individual is found safe is almost inevitable, and for
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good reason. Loved ones of a person who goes missing often learn fast that
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figures and statistics highly favor the probability of a good outcome. In a vast
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majority of cases, the missing adult is found relatively quickly, alive and unharmed.
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But for the families and friends of the remaining minority, life can become
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a seemingly never ending nightmare. After a certain amount of time goes by with
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no sign of their loved one, an amount of time that is never long
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and certainly varies depending on the missing person's life and personality. The ability to
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hold on to those could bees and maybees begins to deteriorate. Panic tinged to
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fear as the product of worry and uncertainty, always accompanies this crumbling of hope.
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When the actions of someone intimate with the missing individual become strange or questionable,
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and when the circumstances surrounding that relationship become known to have been volatile,
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holding on to hope can become a near impossibility. I mean, no one
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can speculate. If you know you're going off of facts. You can't say
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somebody, as a matter of fact, did this to her. We don't
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have that proof, right because we haven't found her. However, there's no
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excuse for taking the money out of you know, that emotional manipulative You know,
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he told the kids that she left them, he wasn't looking for her.
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A steady fear, compounded by grief, begins to consume family and friends,
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even as the loved one's fate is unknown. Their thought processes then become
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much less centered on analyzing the missing person's recent or past stressors and habits,
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and focused more on the movements and behaviors of the potentially troublesome person close to
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them. When someone whose actions or behaviors are in question was the last known
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individual to have seen the missing person, hope is often replaced by a law
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for justice. A minute ago, you heard from Jovanna. On May first,
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twenty sixteen, her sister Bianca Carrasco went missing from San Antonio, Texas.
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Jovanna knew right away the circumstances behind the disappearance didn't make any sense,
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not the way Bianca's husband, Daniel explained them. To this day, Bianca's
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whereabouts appear to be less shrouded by mystery than they are purposefully concealed by confusion
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and obfuscation. Bianca Zanette Palomino was born in Odessa, Texas, on July
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twenty first, nineteen eighty six, to parents Michael and Barbara. When Michael
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and Barbara parted ways, Bianca and her older sister Jovanna went with their father
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to Houston. Childhood was tough for the sisters. Not only was their family
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broken, but also their father kept them from seeing their mother and her side
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of the family. Mom was in and out of prison for drug related convictions.
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Perhaps because of that, Michael's strict household and their upbringing in general,
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Jovanna and Bianca developed a close relationship. A strong bond is often felt between
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siblings who experienced trauma. When Bianca became pregnant at age seventeen, her father
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kicked her out of the house. After giving birth, she was forced to
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give the baby up for adoption, a reluctant decision that devastated her. Shortly
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thereafter, Bianca packed up her things and moved to Odessa in an attempt to
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get to know her mother and that side of the family. But because mom
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continued to struggle with drug abuse and had trouble with the law as the result,
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developing any kind of worthwhile relationship just wouldn't work itself out. While in
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Odessa, lost and with no dependable family near her to help her make a
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healthy transition into adulthood, Bianca fell into a life many young folks do.
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When she did get to Odessa, she was going down a very bad path
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of getting mixed with the wrong people, got into drugs. She was a
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stripper for a short amount of time, and that's actually how they got involved
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the he Jovanna is referring to is a man named Joe Daniel Carrosco, who
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was known to most by his middle name. As a quick note, its
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most often reported that he and Bianca were eleven years apart, but he was
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born in nineteen seventy seven and she in nineteen eighty six, Their birthdays separated
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by only a few months. There is instead a nine year age difference.
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Around two thousand and five, Daniel, twenty seven or twenty eight years old
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at the time, connected with eighteen year old Bianca at the strip club she
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worked for. Things were particularly tough for Bianca at the time. There's no
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question she was immensely vulnerable, and Daniel offered her a level of attentiveness she
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lacked. More importantly, he offered stability. You know, my dad disowned
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her and made her, gave her a baby up for adoption, went to
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look for my mom. She didn't have any family support. Although she never
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really knew Daniel before coming back to Odessa, he'd been married to Bianca's aunt.
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They officially divorced in the year two thousand, after all most most four
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years of marriage, but by all indications, their relationship continued to some degree.
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According to Bianca's close friend Julie. Things ended between her aunt and Daniel
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in March of two thousand and five when he caught her in the act of
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cheating with his best friend. This didn't end well, particularly for the best
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friend, and what happened as the result might have some relevance further along in
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the story of this case. As it played out, Daniel rebounded from the
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situation fast, and it was with Bianca he pursued her, first at the
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strip club and then beyond. Something reminiscent of a father figure. He made
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her feel loved and protected, and that was exactly what she needed at the
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time. They began a serious relationship, which strengthened when Bianca became pregnant.
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Her sister, Jovanna, and certainly others were less thrilled with the relationship between
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Bianca and Daniel. Nobody approved of the relationship. I never approved of the
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relationship. I loved her through her choices, but no one encouraged her.
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Still, their relationship deepened, and Bianca once again became estranged from her mother.
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She and Daniel were married in March of two thousand and seven and went
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on to have two more children. The couple got on with their lives,
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and as far as the information available to us goes, it looks as if
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the family was normal and healthy from the outside looking in. According to some,
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however, Bianca and Daniel's marriage was rocky from the get go. One
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thing is certain. By the time the couple moved to another Texas city several
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years into the relationship, things between them quickly became strained. In twenty sixteen,
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newly married and ready to do something meaningful with her life, Bianca Carrasco began
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a fast track program to become an LVN, or Licensed Vocational Nurse. The
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program lasted a year straight through, five days a week and was certainly an
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intense course, but she was smart and motivated, definitely up to the challenge.
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To those who knew her, Bianca's chosen career path was no big surprise,
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really, as she was an attentive, compassionate, and caring individual.
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During the LVN program, Bianca met Julie, who would go on to become
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her close friend and confidant. After finding out they lived within blocks of one
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another, the friendship seemed meant to be. They carpooled the class during the
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week and studied together on the weekends. Julie quickly became like a part of
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the family. We went to nursing school together and then we once we graduated
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and set for the boards and got our licenses, we worked for the same
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hospital together. And so with him working in the old field, you know,
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they're gone sometimes it's usually like a seven off, seven on rotation.
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And so Bianca and I staggered our schedules to where we worked opposite of each
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other, and I would help her by keeping her kids, you know,
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whenever he was gone at work, and vice versa. She would help me
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with my kids. So we kind of tagged teams together to help each other
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with the kids. At the hospital where they both worked, Julie watched Bianca
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fully come into her own. She developed bonds with her patients and took pride
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in giving them the best care she could possibly give. Bianca advocated for her
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patients and their families, Julie said. In October of twenty thirteen, after
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she, Daniel, and the kids moved to San Antonio, where they bought
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a house in the Longs Creek area in the city's northeast, Bianca began attending
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the Galen College of Nursing to obtain her RN or Registered Nurse certification. She
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graduated the program in the fall of twenty fifteen and began work as a registered
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nurse at Toprawine Medical Center, a cancer clinic in nearby Live Oak. Bianca's
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patients adored her. They'd later make remarks about how inspirational and genuinely empathetic she
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was as they trudged through chemotherapy and other treatments. It was in her nature
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to care for and help others. She was a giver, She was a
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helper, She was a fixer. At some point around the time she officially
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became an RN, Bianca and Daniels separated, although they still continued to live
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together in their middle class suburban home with their three children. It isn't clear
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if Daniel's consistent absence from the home due to his work on Odessa and Ector
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County oil fields, was a factor in the couple's growing apart but it seems
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like a likely contributor. Because Bianca didn't think those around her would understand,
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and because she didn't want to deal with folks trying to talk her out of
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separating from her husband, Bianca was very secretive about she and Daniel's marital problems
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and their status as separated. While the media would later report Bianca as dating
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several men after the separation. This appears not to have been the case.
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Instead, she's believed to have been in a serious relationship with one man who
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she'd not yet told that she was taking the steps necessary for a divorce,
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but still technically married. She considered Daniel her ex husband, according to a
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change in her Facebook status, At the very least. At this point,
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Jovanna was well aware of her sister's situation. There was a lot of drama,
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Jovanna would later say, and she was keeping up with Bianca on a
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daily basis. Bianca was sending Jovanna some alarming text messages, things like I
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feel like I want to go to sleep and not wake up. She and
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Daniel were not speaking unless there was a conflict. Unless there was a conflict,
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because Bianca talked about giving him custody of the kids so they'd be better
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taken care of financially speaking, her close friend Julie believed Daniel was manipulating her
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into thinking she could not take care of them. It was probably not the
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first sign of spousal abuse through financial manipulation, and certainly not the last.
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Daniel would spitefully compare Bianca to her mother, implying that she didn't have the
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ability to take care of her kids. Julie told her friend that as a
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registered nurse, she absolutely had the ability to take care of the kids financially.
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All it would take was to seek out better paying work. Toward the
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end of April twenty sixteen, things between Bianca and Daniel Carrasco heated up.
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As things between he and Bianca continued despiral downward, Daniel quit his oil field
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work and got a job in San Antonio. He was having a hard time
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accepting the fact that she no longer desired to be with him, and thought
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being around the house more might begin to close the rift between them. It
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was delusional, perhaps, and anyway, his new line of work didn't last
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long. Daniel was unable to bear not knowing where Bianca was, who she
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was with, and what she was doing at any given moment. He was
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so consumed with Beianca's movements that he lost his job. Still, if he
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only knew, Daniel thought he could somehow gain the knowledge he needed to save
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the marriage. Not at all careful what he wished for, the desperate man
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instead uncovered something he perhaps did not expect. Everything happened unimaginably fast. I
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don't know. He made me think he was worried about her as like just
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an individual, Like he was worried if she was going, you know,
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if she was doing drugs and she was hanging out with people that she wasn't
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supposed to. He made it sound like he was concerned about her in that
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way, and he just she clearly wouldn't let it go, and those days
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leading up just got really bad after he manipulated her to do so. Jovanna
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helped Daniel gain access to her sister's callogue on Wednesday, April twenty seventh,
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twenty sixteen, and he discovered Beyonca's new relationship. Thinking about what Bianca Carrasco
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went through the next few days is terrifying. Daniel immediately transferred all the money
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from he and Bianca's joint checking account to one only he had access to money,
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of course, that also belonged to her. Bianca bought a new cell
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phone to keep Daniel out of her business and began discussing what was happening over
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texts with Jovanna and Julie. According to them, she also began confiding to
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co workers about her new love interest and the goings on with Daniel, like
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the fact that he'd found out about the man she'd been seeing, had taken
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measures to essentially render her penniless save the little room left on her credit card.
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Bianca showed her coworker's texts Daniel had been sending to her new phone threats
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she had received between Wednesday, the twenty seventh and Friday, the twenty ninth.
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On each day, the messages were disturbing, but as a survivor of
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plenty of trauma throughout her life, Bianca joked her way through them. As
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she shared still she was obviously taking them somewhat seriously. At the same time,
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after receiving a text that he was going to show up at her place
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of employment on one of those days, Bianca left early. Other texts were
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far blunter, it's reported, and simply stated that he Daniel was going to
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kill her. On Friday, April twenty ninth, after sharing texts with them,
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Bianca joked to coworkers, well, if I go missing, you know
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what happened to me. Within these few days, Daniel called the guy his
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estranged wife had been seeing. Upon finding out she was married, Bianca's boyfriend
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confronted her and not comfortable dating a woman who was still officially married ended the
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relationship. Bianca was apparently very invested in this man, and Daniel's meddling hadn't
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had the effect he'd likely intended. Now she was ready to get the divorce
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moving at once, and she told Daniel as much. On Sunday, May
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one, twenty sixteen, at around two pm, Bianca spoke with Jovanna over
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the phone. The days since Daniel found out about her new relationship had been
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intense and even terrifying. One night, at around two am, Bianca told
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Jovanna she awoke to find Daniel standing in over her. She'd made an appointment
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with an attorney to get divorce proceedings started, Bianca went on, and she
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also wanted to discuss getting custody of the kids. Daniel had beaten into Bianca's
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head doubts about her ability to keep primary guardianship, and she calmly expressed those
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doubts to Jovanna, sort of thinking out loud about how she'd figure something out
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to get it done. Not long after they got off the phone, Bianca
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posted a snapchat video of her and one of the kids. It was twenty
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nine year old Bianca Carrosco's last known activity of any kind at that point,
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and the explanation of the circumstances surrounding her further movements that evening were about as
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suspect as they come. On Monday, May second, twenty sixteen, Jovanna
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couldn't get a hold of Bianca. Her phone oddly was turned off. That
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afternoon, sometime around four pm, Jovanna phoned her sister's estranged husband, Daniel.
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She'd spoken to him many times in the two weeks leading up to this
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call as he obsessed about trying to save the marriage, but on this call
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there was a different tone. And that's when I knew something was wrong with
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that Monday after she went missing and I spoke to him, he sounded completely
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opposite. I mean, it was like night and day from what he had
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been how he had sounded for weeks, carrying over obsessing to just passive,
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though he was strangely calm and seemingly rational when he told it. Story left
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a lot to be desired. The night before, Daniel told Jovanna, after
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she put the kids to bed, he and Bianca began arguing. After the
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fight, according to Daniel, Bianca told him she was done and leaving before
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walking out of their house on the sixteen thousand block of Walnut Creek Drive in
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northeast San Antonio. This immediately struck Jovanna as odd. She could picture Bianca
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leaving the house in her car, but to leave by foot was unusual for
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her. Bianca didn't take walks, her sister knew. Daniel, anyway,
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continued with the story. Just after she walked out of the house. He
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told Jovanna he left for Odessa to go to work, taking his and Bianca's
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youngest child with him. As they headed off, Daniel went on he saw
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Bianca walking down the street. This also made little sense. She knew her
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brother in law had quit his job in Odessa and had also recently quit his
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job in San Antonio to keep dibbs on Bianca and anyway, why would he
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take the kid? Why would he leave the two others, nine and ten
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years old home alone. After getting off the phone with Daniel, Jovanna called
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her other sisters to let them know what was going on. In a last
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ditch effort, that day, family posted about Bianca's disappearance on social media.
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The next morning, now May the third, and almost two full days since
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Jovanna had heard from her sister. She talked to Bianca's boss. Jovanna was
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told that Bianca hadn't shown up for work or even called both that day and
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the previous, something that starkly contrasted her generally responsible character. She again called
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Daniel. He told her Bianca was probably just off with some guy. She'd
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left on her own, and he didn't want to report her missing to police,
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Daniel told Jovanna, who was shocked by what she was hearing. After
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hanging up with Daniel, Jovanna called the San Antonio police and reported everything.
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They were also reluctant to list Bianca as a missing person at first, a
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treatment unfortunately often rendered to adults who disappear. Officers visited Jovanna at her home
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in Houston. She told them everything she knew. Bianca left without her car.
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It was paid off and her purse was inside. Daniel had told her
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so it made no sense for her to leave the vehicle behind. If she
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had simply walked away from her life and her kids, whether temporarily or permanently,
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and that was the other thing. Bianca would have never walked away from
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her three children, especially now when she'd been strategizing how to get guardianship of
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them upon her divorce from Daniel, But Jovanna had no answer to one of
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their questions, why hadn't Daniel called them instead? In her presence? An
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officer called him. Upon answering the call, Daniel told the policeman he had
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the wrong number and hung up. Things Jovanna knew weren't looking good. It's
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unclear to us exactly when the San Antonio police decided to list Bianca as a
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missing person, but they did seemed to investigate some in the meantime. When
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they were finally able to speak with Daniel, he told them Bianca had been
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cheating on him and she likely just left town with the guy in question.
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He told police that Bianca had given him her wedding ring back before leaving,
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a detail later disputed by family. Later, Jovanna provided the cops with what
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they need did to find her sister's boyfriend. When they went to visit,
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detectives discovered he was out of town for a game with a sports team he
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coached. Speaking with him would have to wait. Investigators had no leads,
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and upon obtaining Bianca Carrasco's cell phone records, it appears they didn't fare any
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better. They saw her call with Jovanna, learned about some social media activity,
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and that she left the house at about three in the afternoon, after
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which she kept in contact with her daughter over text. After returning home sometime
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before eight pm at eight oh eight, she shot a text to the guy
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she'd been seeing and called him exactly thirty minutes later. When that call was
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over, activity on the phone stopped until ten twenty two pm. At that
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time, Bianca's phone was turned off inside her and Daniel's home. It was
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never turned back on. A call was placed from Daniel's cell phone the exact
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time her phone had been turned off, the first activity on his for more
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than two hours. When police finally began treating Bianca's case as it should have
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been from the time they learned of the disappearance, an endangered missing person's case,
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they issued Beyond the Lookout or BOLO. They also made flyers describing her,
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which were distributed both digitally and physically. Bianca Carrasco, the description read,
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is a twenty nine year old Latina with brown shoulder length hair and brown
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eyes. She's right handed, where's contact lenses on her hip is a tattoo
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of the letter B, and on her abdomen there's a large surgical scar.
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Bianca stands five feet one inch tall and weighs about one hundred and twenty five
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pounds. The description continued, though that weight is certainly on the high end
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of estimations. I do know that he was working out daily lifting weights.
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You know, he wasn't he was in shape, and Bianca was like one
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hundred pounds, one hundred and twenty pounds at most. Petit, very petite.
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Small. Also included in the flyer's description of Bianca was what Joe Daniel
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Carrasco told the San Antonio police she was wearing when he last saw her,
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pastel multi colored leggings, a blue denim jacket, and wedge shoes. She
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also carried her pink Prada purse, he told them, which contained a black
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Prada wallet. It was the first time her sister Jovanna and friend Julie heard
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anything about what she might have been wearing early on. When Jovanna asked Daniel,
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he told her he couldn't remember. He'd also told her the purse was
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left in Beanca's car. Like so many aspects of Beyanca's case, particularly when
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its information up against Daniel's side of things. It's unclear which is true.
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The outfit, too, was out of character for the missing woman, who
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Julie described as very into fashion. It didn't sound like something she would wear,
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and aspects of the outfit didn't match. Julie said it was something Bianca
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would have never paired together, if she even owned those particular items at all.
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In a rare comment to the media, Daniel claimed his and Beanca's divorce
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papers had already been drawn up and were being processed. That simply was not
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true. For Julie and Jovanna. Nothing was adding up the area. Search
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is on foot, atv and by drones. Two in Bianca's neighborhood turned up
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nothing. Even dogs couldn't pick up a workable trail, as if she hadn't
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taken off on foot from her home. On May fourth, twenty sixteen,
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in the middle of the night, Child Protective Services performed an emergency removal of
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Bianca and Daniel's children from their northeast San Antonio home. An employee of the
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daycare the Carrascoes used had called to report that Bianca and Daniel fought often and
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they were concerned for the three kids' safety now that their mother was missing.
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For the next six months, unaware of exactly what was going on, the
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children lived with Jovanna. They were returned to Daniel after that period. The
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San Antonio police neglected to search the Carusco home for days after Bianca went missing.
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Likely a warrant would have been easily obtained, but it wasn't until several
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days after the disappearance, when Daniel called them and gave them permission to search,
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that they entered the house. He told them he could no longer afford
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to live there and was getting things ready to move so he could lease the
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place out. Using trained dogs and luminol to detect traces of blood, police
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searched the house and Bianca's car. If they found anything of real evidentiary value,
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they kept that information to themselves, though they were told Daniel's car was
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also searched. Bianca's family later learned that was not the case, after reviewing
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her missing friend's phone wrecord and speaking with at least one individual who had talked
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to Bianca earlier in the day she'd gone missing. Had never even reached out
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to speak with this person. Bianca Carrasco, as near certainty as a situation
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can get, did not disappear on purpose by walking away from her life.
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Like most folks these days, she was glued to technology. Bianca was essentially
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a city girl. She didn't like camping or hiking, and would have probably
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dreaded even the thought of living without social media and other modern luxuries and conveniences.
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There's been no social Security activity, and her driver's license hasn't been renewed.
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She had a small amount of money in a personal checking account that was
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never touched. Bianca left her car behind, which was paid for. Theorizing
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she'd have left without it requires a leap in logic. Perhaps the biggest single
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reason to discount Bianca left of her own free will is her children. Her
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family and friends insist she'd never have done such a thing. A vast majority
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of mothers wouldn't. By the end of twenty sixteen, the San Antonio police
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finally announced they had determined that foul play could not be ruled out in Bianca's
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disappearance. Although there were certainly two persons of interest Joe Daniel Carrasco and the
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man Bianca had been seeing, police never publicly named a suspect. According to
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Bianca's loved ones, her boyfriend has been eliminated. They also said Daniel clammed
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up and stopped cooperating with police at some point after agreeing to but then declining
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to take a polygraph examination. Also, at some point after Bianca vanished,
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Daniel deactivated his social media accounts. Apparently he has only been questioned once.
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Bianca's close friend Julie, believes Daniel snapped during an argument at the house,
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killed her, placed her in the trunk of his car, and dumped her
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body somewhere between San Antonio and Odessa. There are three hundred and forty miles
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of nothing but open space and small towns between the two Texas cities, making
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search efforts nearly impossible without Daniel's cell phone activity logs, of which police will
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release almost no details. We know Daniel is capable of violence, as he
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severely beat his best friend when he found him sleeping with his ex wife and
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girlfriend. He broke his nose and his ribs. Efforts by private investigators hired
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by Bianca's loved ones have been in vain, mostly due to the fact that
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police will not share information with them. Odessa Crime Stoppers has put up billboards
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and offered the standard one thousand dollars reward for information leading to the arrest and
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indictment of a suspect in the case. While it's unknown exactly what police in
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San Antonio are up to concerning Bianca's disappearance, as they remain mum about the
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case, likely they're simply waiting for someone to come forward with the right information.
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For someone who had been trying desperately to save his marriage to Bianca before
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she went missing, immediately before she went missing, it is markedly odd Joe
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Daniel Carrasco has neither advocated nor looked for her. On the other hand,
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Jovanna and Julie have been consistently pushing for answers both from the public and police,
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by keeping Bianca's face and story on social media and persuading news outlets to
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publish segments send articles. They've reached out to many podcasts who have published episodes
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about Bianca's disappearance. Julie and Jovanna have also received some help from Project Absentis,
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a Texas based nonprofit organization made up of retired and former FBI agents and
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other law enforcement who seek to assist families of missing persons and locating their loved
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ones to directly quote their website. This is one of the several messages to
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Joe Daniel Carrasco sent by Abel M. Paigna of Project Absentis. So again,
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this goes to Daniel Carrasco, I want to ask you a question.
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I want to know if you're willing to take the time, just take time
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away from your golf game and meet us meet Project Aubsentis. Meet me so
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that we can give you a polygraph test free of charge. These things usually
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are in the thousands of dollars, but we're willing to give you one free
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of charge. If you want to clear your name, we want to give
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you an opportunity to do that. Are you willing to do that? You
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know, we know it's been probably on your mind since twenty sixteen and it
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must be bothering you, So do yourself a favor. Contact us so we
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can clear you. We'll give you a polygraph test. We would look forward
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to hearing from you. You can call us at seven two six seven seven
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seven thirteen fifty nine. You can even text us at that same number,
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or if you're an old school and want to email us. You can email
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us at info at projectupsentis dot org. I mean, we can give you
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all kinds of ways to get ahold. We'll go to your house to give
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you a polygraph test. Just give us a call, get in contact with
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us. And here's the other thing. If anyone else listening to this has
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any way of getting a hold of Joe Daniel Cardrasco, let him know that
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we're willing to, you know, to offer this to him. We're standing
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by. Please give us a call, and God bless all of you guys
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for listening to this. Thank you. Efforts such as these only strengthen Julie
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and Jovanna's push for information through public pressure or best case scenario along overdue confession.
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On the day before this was recorded, Saturday, July twentieth, twenty
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twenty four, a memorial and awareness event was held at Freisenhan Park in San
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Antonio, organized by Julie and Jovanna and other loved ones. On the day
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this episode released July twenty first, twenty twenty four, Bianca should be celebrating
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her thirty eighth birthday with family and friends. If you have any information about
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the disappearance of Bianca, Zenet Carrasco. Please contact the San Antonio Police Department
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at two to one zero to zero seven seven two seven three. We'd like
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to thank Julie and Jovanna for their contributions to this episode and Project Absentis for
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allowing us to play clips of their reels. Also a huge thanks to Amy
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Worley who helped research this episode, and an extra special thanks to Hailey Gray
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and the podcast Moms and Mysteries for supplying us with the bulk of the research
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