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280 - Lisa Doig: Leveraging Values For Conscious Change · Coaches Rising

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the coach's rising podcast, and delighted to be joined by Lisa Dorg today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to be unpacking the transformational potency of understanding our client's values.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I used to, whenever I heard people talking about values in coaching, I used to kind of feel like so up, but really inspiring conversation to see how the challenges
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[SPEAKER_02]: reveal the values that are most important or the values that are at play for them and how understanding that and working with that actually can unlock the next phase of our clients transformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lisa will share with us exactly how she does that and she will also talk about seven levels of consciousness and how values apply to each of those levels is very revealing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lisa is the founder of Corporate Evolution, which is a pioneer in integrating values and levels of consciousness in leadership development.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She is the creator of Illuminate Facilitating Deep Transformation, which is a program that's trained more than 250 facilitators worldwide, and she works globally with multinational organizations and top leadership teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're in good hands.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's dive in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the podcast with Lisa Doig.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Lisa, good to be with you again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really excited about our conversation today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So could you say just a little bit before we dive in about your work, I'm really excited to unpack, like what are you doing with your clients?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like tell the people listening, who you are first of all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So great to be here and thanks for inviting me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am, you could hear from my accent, I'm American.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I live in Australia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been in this work for about 25 years and it started back in, when I was about 40, I'm 66 now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And really it started when I was, what I'd say is a kind of superwoman, you know, I was brought up to be superwoman, be successful, achieve everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I became a workaholic perfectionist, control-free, and really my whole identity was about being successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at 40, I collapsed, and at that point, my husband, Malcolm, was working for an oil company that McKinsey came into, and they brought a guru for personal transformation called Gita Bellin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've heard of her before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know they were doing remarkable work and a lot of people you know you don't have come out of that training with Gita and I came out of a weekend course and it completely transformed my life and Gita looked at me and she said you are meant to do this work and I was a marketing consultant for the oil industry for 20 years so long story short I got trained by her and
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[SPEAKER_00]: of personal transformation, so I was really mostly working there for about 15 years, but there was one thing that I was passionate about, which was values and the seven levels of consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the main part of the work and taking guide as work and a lot of the other thought leaders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was something that spoke so deeply in my body to the power of values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know at the time why, but I followed that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I became the trainer for Barrett Value Center.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what it did was it bridged the intellectual,
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[SPEAKER_00]: emotional and spiritual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was very kind of mind, structure, how do I get there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, show me the steps and by seeing that seven levels road map, it showed me a road map.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it spoke so deeply to my own personal experience of why I was kind of repeating the same upsets and never, you know, really transforming them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So long story short,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Left McKinsey and the thing I was passionate about was training facilitators in this work, which was both Gede's work and the values and purpose lens, and now we have corporate evolution and most of what I do now is I train facilitators in this values and purpose methodology, which we call illuminate, and we have maybe 260 people around the world who
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[SPEAKER_00]: bringing this work, you know, they're accredited in this methodology, and are bringing this work to the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it about values and the levels of consciousness for you that are so powerful when it comes to facilitating transformation?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you could also just tell us about what you mean by values and how they connect to the seven levels, so we can just, yeah, come text for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the reason I was so connected to the seven levels, because I'd explain my life, I'd explain why, I mean, let's just explain what the model is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what Richard Barrett did was, he took Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, physiological safety,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Survival, love belonging, self-esteem, and then self-actualization.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he noted that what we value, so values are what we value, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What we make more important than other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What we value is connected to whether those needs have been met or on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you think about, let's say one of my values is a cheque was achievement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you think about the bottom of the iceberg, whatever life experience you know this kind of zero to seven when we did yet have the neocortex to make meaning, whatever life experience of whether I perceived that I was safe, I was loved or I was good enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all we can do in that early age
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I move towards a different pleasure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I move away from it if it's pain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so whatever life experience I had forms my belief, so the achievement was I have to overachieve to belong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you can see how the life story forms a belief and we form a value around it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: being the youngest of four girls, that by the time I was born, I felt completely forgotten about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I remember this one time, we're going off for dinner, and I see my parents at the top of the driveway, my three sisters, my parents are arguing, my sisters are on to themselves, and they got in the car and drove away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they forgot about me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of my core beliefs is, there's no one there for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My value is independent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how values get formed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most of us are unconscious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the belief is, you know, no one there for me, has actually been an accelerator at my life, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's why I'm independent, trampled countries, you know, build offices, build companies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: lots of benefits so we don't make that belief all wrong but what I was unconscious of was team player nope feedback nope do I listen to people nope you know unless I really truly respect them so I was completely unconscious of that belief is still present in my life so if you unpack the iceberg
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I see that belief, there's no one there for me, I kept recreating the same upset throughout my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, I'll leave them before they leave me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why the values encapsulate what's really important to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one other thing, we studied with John T. Martinez,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things he said was, whatever you call out as your top one or two values is where your biggest perceived missingness is, where you believe that you're not whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like when I had achievement, it was so important to me because I didn't feel good enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be interested in your top value.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My top value now is just being presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even that has a perceived on met need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm striving for it, but even, you know, I've been doing this for 25 years, I can see I perceive on not source.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I perceive I'm not presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So therefore, I value it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in that, I mean, again, the reason I love the values
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[SPEAKER_00]: by noticing that that's my number one value and I perceive the misiness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I know my next transformation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To move through that illusion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So a couple of questions come up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really powerful what you're sharing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One is this point to I think the, again, what I hear on this podcast, which is
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[SPEAKER_02]: striving to attain a particular value.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, the self-improvement paradigm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually sounds like it's a turn back towards the pain inside of us, you know, this mistaken belief that I'm not already that thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a kind of via negative experience, you know, like metabolizing that belief rather than, I need to perfect and develop myself to that next stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's loving that belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's noticing it and allowing it space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, allowing it space to feel it and to say, well, how is that actually served me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got you here, you're successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, think about at work, at home, and with self, how is that belief served you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How is it not served you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if the not serving you when we bring it to our awareness is big enough, then the, you know, it's almost like the ego is willing to shift it because I actually ask to the ego, um, do you want to shift this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, I want to go into that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll, we'll kind of bring in the seven levels in a moment when we feel it's the right time, but just to stay with what you've just shared here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Could you share, you said like, oh, you know, this belief around this value around being presence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember exactly how you articulated it, but, and it reveals to me my next area of development.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, what you're saying also is that our top values are, you know, and I imagine our challenge reveal our challenges around that value and can be a doorway in
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[SPEAKER_02]: to the development.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So how do you actually start to work?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you say it's my next area of development, how do you work with that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have the practice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was reflecting on this about, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This type of work that I've helped to create, it's really for a kind of structure discipline people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And most of my clients are like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we ask ourselves on a scale of zero to 10, how much am I living in presence in my life at work at home and with myself, 10 out of 10.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I give myself a,
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[SPEAKER_00]: seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I say, what would be different of our attend?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I were ten, I would have space, I would feel expansive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be on the balcony of my triggers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would see life unfolding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the question is, what's the belief that keeps me at a seven and not a ten?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I get my belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm worried about what my husband will think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm worried about this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, so then what we're listening for is what's the old story and the old belief?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we do the transformation on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so how would you, yeah, I mean, I'm just gonna keep following this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how would you do that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You've surfaced that belief.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then maybe the client maybe is even by talking about it, it's starting to feel how it lives inside there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, their body and their shape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you work that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we start with what are the top two or three values?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's an intermingling between values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: they're often the same value in a different words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Integrity, fairness, honesty, achievement, success, balance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really interesting, first of all, just to sense into this person and what's their kind of life theme, or what's their personality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk about the five personality traits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Having done this for 25 years, it is there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the different personality types.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost like, you know, the scarf model.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like they, those same beliefs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when you look at the top three values and you ask those questions, you usually get a core belief, like I'm not good enough, I'm not loved, I'm not safe, whatever it might be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we just pause there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just awareness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then again, the balcony.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What would you love to create in your life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the heart connecting with who you really are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's the belief in the way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So both of their current challenge and I love that question of what you'd love because that's just, that's their deepest knowing or their deepest yearning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you could say, so what's the sense into what's the core belief?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they feel in the body like you said, all the questions are not the head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We keep saying, because if I see them go like this, you know, they're in their head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a connect back with your heart, feel it in your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could also connect out with the chakra as just in terms of where it is in the body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, often I do the Byron Katie question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, first of all, is it a hundred percent true?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not good enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you feel in the body in my stomach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: With her chakra?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I put the apple leaf aside, who would you be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you ask it of the heart and the true self voices or an image comes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one of the questions you had for me is, what is one of the most powerful movements as a coach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you might have to ask it two or three times because the head and the ego want to interfere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can say it from your heart and your, you know, as a coach, we have to hold the person in their highest potential that they will connect with their knowing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you put that belief aside, who would you be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you get words and images that are from another world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not rational words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: light, glowing, expansiveness, love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so we're up this, so we say, that's your authentic, that's your true self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel constricted or expansive, expansive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I often ask the question, so how is that upset, that challenge?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How is that a set up, the upset set up, or what's the biggest?
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[SPEAKER_00]: what's calling you now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what value is calling you to be a little more fully or courageously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because once we've shifted from the belief, who would you be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What values calling you now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the next evolution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's usually the next level of consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what's gonna happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna have upsets with that value and they go through the whole process again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, for example, I was working with a lady, she's been in a coaching circle, and she was pretty stuck for two or three months we're going through the same process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she had the same upset, the same stockness, and like nothing was gonna budge, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes it takes, you know, several sessions to connect with your heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, we went through the same process, put the belief aside, who would you be, and, oh, the space and the knowingness that came.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, what value is now calling?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, surrender.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, it just came out, surrender.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's you're knowing within surrender?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the I am?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am, I usually say whatever the value is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the knowing or belief that's it's within.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am dot dot dot, let the person fill it in from the heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we say, what's a prototype?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like, you know, it's up there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, let's ground it into,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, a prototype, because I do think just having awareness is not enough, just light bulbs is not enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to walk through the fear, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to walk through the illusion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she said, she called me a few weeks later, she goes, you're not going to believe us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, I've been living surrender.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, my type, everything's changing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, I feel light, I feel love, I feel like this whole issue is not even an issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I'm hearing and I'm curious what you say about this is, in a sense, like there's a mistaken identity, identification with a certain belief, which then, you know, that's projected onto the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the way the world is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then through the values exploration, you're able to reveal that belief.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and then there's a dropping and so there's awareness of that and then there's a shift beyond it, a dropping into this, into the heart, into it, through self and then there's a kind of knowing of who one is from that place and you know, I see this move in various ways in many different
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[SPEAKER_02]: paradigms where, yeah, you're so shift from, it's a disidentification from a contraction into an identification with a wider sense of self.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, like, I am this, I am surrender, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you need to disidentify from surrender.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's now, no, you're going to be surrender.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the ultimate connection with that embody knowing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's a bodily knowing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's one piece I would say, surfacing the belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a transformational questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a piece there about loving your belief.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad you, because I wanted to bring that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's essential.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not just trying to get away from something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's like, oh, here's what we're not doing is we're taking a belief in we're exchanging it with a more empowered belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do feel we're going deeper than that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is this transition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like being on the balcony of your belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How has it served you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you have to hold that so that they could feel it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, yeah, you know when people go, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know they're not feeling it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what are all the ways?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And can you feel that in your body?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because don't make it all wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really gotten you here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what's the ways that it's now not serving you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, work home self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's usually the self that's the biggest pain point, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm not living my potential, because I'm not well, because my children will carry on the pattern, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're, but you're really holding them, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're holding them in this kind of crucible, one of the things D Martini says is, there's an equal number of drawbacks and benefits to every life experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and when you acknowledge and see both sides, then the belief collapses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The belief about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, one of the things D. Martini Hall, do you know John D. Martini have you- I mean, I would just agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're referencing of him when we met.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't know how he's- No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so his work is the breakthrough experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he talks, I mean, he talks about how every,
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[SPEAKER_00]: life experience has an equal number of drawbacks and benefits and what happens is we only see one side of the coin and we make it wrong and then it gets you know it stays in our nervous system and so I'll give you my example so my belief was my mother pushed me my whole life to be successful and at 40 I was really angry and I remember this coach Barbara will be in Sydney
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[SPEAKER_00]: would side stuff, Anthony Kinsey, and she said, so, what are all the drawbacks if have any mother who pushed you your whole life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, you know, I knew all those really, they came really easily to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she said, so every life experience has equal number of drawbacks, but if it's, let's turn the coin, what's the benefits of having the mother who pushed you your whole life?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are a tiny, I seriously could not think of one,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how stuck I was in that belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, well, can you just, just one small thing?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, okay, well, I guess I moved from Chicago to London, and I opened these offices.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I traveled the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then I, you know, successful businesses, then we're just, oh yeah, now I got this work and now I'm in transformation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a breakdown, which actually led to,
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[SPEAKER_00]: me coming into this work and now I'm transforming lives and there's an equal number so I do have a deeper coaching process where you will be amazed that if there's 50 they'll be 50 on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we read back all those benefits, physical and mental emotional spiritual and of course the emotional spiritual are the most important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, of course I would not be doing this in my life and my mother not push me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we read back all the benefits and say as a result of this life experience where your mother pushes your whole life, who have you become?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is another one of these powerful questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just comes, it comes from the knowing, it comes from the soul of what your soul contract has been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What you're here for, it is the most amazing process.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has one that has like 16 columns, I've just taken it down to two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the deeper, that's where we're holding for every co-cheat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will never, you know, there's no life experience that doesn't have perfection to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can't hold consciousness as a coach if we don't believe that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we still feel victim of any part of our life, we can't hold consciousness for our coaches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, how come, say more about that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've got a charge with,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because well, you can get them to kind of level for consciousness, which is all about growth and evolution and being on the balcony of your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you want to move to the higher levels of consciousness, which is seeing the perfection of life and that you are life, you are source consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If at the higher levels of consciousness, there is nothing wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only perfection.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, we're going to go to that in a moment, but with the Dhamma tini, it sounds like there's something that gets released as you see that there are an equal number of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, it's a call out, so think about anytime we're holding a belief, it's energy, right, a thought is energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In all energy has a positive charge and a negative charge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a waveform all thought as a waveform has a positive and negative, you can't not have both.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what we do with our beliefs is we hold the negative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're not seeing the wholeness of every life experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're only seeing the drawback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so by evening out, and normally, as we get older, we start seeing these things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can actually, in every moment, this is the day of my teeny work, every moment has the wave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have a big charge, it's really wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he does a lot with rape and insist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that the bigger the wave, of course, the bigger emotional charge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I'm still victim, the drawbacks are going to be very big, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it has the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all due, it's collapsing duality is what his work is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can feel it, I see that in my own life where there's like a heat or a charge around the particular belief I have about myself or the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I see the bigger picture and that, you know, that thing that I've been judging as wrong is just as part of the sacredness of life and actually it did bring benefits or, and so yeah, then it's like that heat, I can feel what you say, like the heat just dies out of that issue, you know, it's like, when you see the perfection, it's just an event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: without it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to go, I want to like pivot and pivot back later to talk about metabolization of this, this topic of metabolization of, you know, beliefs and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we've teed up like the levels of consciousness a few times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's good to just bring in here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe you could just kind of name
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[SPEAKER_02]: what they are for you and how it connects to values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so let me explain the seven levels of consciousness, which is from Richard Barrett.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I said, our values are based on our beliefs and whether we feel they've been met or not met.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the level one of consciousness,
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[SPEAKER_00]: is essentially around survival.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I might have values, the belief is do I have a right to exist?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you think about the first chakra, it's the same thing, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The root chakra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The need is to survive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so therefore, my values could be about money, it could be about control, it could be about health.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like your health, but at a survival level, not wellness, which would be level 6, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my worry is there's not enough, and I might not exist, so that's level 1.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The positive side of that is I'm grounded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I look after my finances, you know, I have to pay school bills, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a positive side, and there's a shadow side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The shadow is that I might not survive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to control, like COVID.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, honestly, I went to the shops by toilet paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I went right back to level one, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because things happen in life, look at the war at the moment, you know, that a lot of the world's going back to level one consciousness, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I get that need met, then a human being wants to grow and evolve to the next level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is also like age 0 to 7, 7, 14.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the second level of consciousness develops typically, you know, teenager years when I want to belong and I want to be liked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the need of level 2 is to be loved or to belong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to connect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The shadow side is, if I'm fearful that I'm not loved or I had a life experience where I didn't think I was loved, then I might be scared of conflict.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I might be scared if I say that somebody's gonna leave me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alternatively, my favorite one is, I, you know, that happened for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the teenage years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I did was I left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would prefer to not belong in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would leave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that I didn't have to deal with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of 7 to 14.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next level of consciousness is a human being wants to be recognized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to prove themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the third one is around performance or achievement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the types of values at level three would be success, achievement, recognition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you think about it, it's kind of 21 in your 20s and early 30s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The healthy side of it is you want to prove yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get some skill, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the shadow side is, if my whole identity is about being recognized, or if I didn't feel good enough, my father never told me I was good enough, whatever the story is, then the potentially limiting values like workaholic could happen, control, can happen, perfectionist, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All these ones, the first time I saw this list in the shadow ones are in red, I was like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are those in red?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I thought that's who I was supposed to be, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know they were shadows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and we don't, so those are all socialized mind, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all reactive tendencies, both positive and shadow side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Level four comes in a time in our life when you say, you know, what got me here won't get me there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it doesn't necessarily happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's usually the wake-up call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Divorce, health, some big ups and not, you know, I told you my story where I collapsed because that level three was an overdrive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so level four is the essence of it is growth and it's moving out of fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's becoming aware that my fear was driving me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is really that bold step about courage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you could kind of hear how the values change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's courage, it's learning, it's growth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, most people in this field, who do what we do, have had some type of wake-up call to want to do this work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So level four is a time you go back and you look at your life story and the patterns and the beliefs and you take accountability for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So levels one to three, you can still be in victim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your blaming, your feeling separate, and level four to seven is kind of the soul journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the level four is a wake-up call, level five, is about being your authentic self, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as coaches, this is mostly what we do for people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is about, do I live my core values all the time?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're not living them all the time, there's some belief that's in level one, two and three, not to make it wrong, but there's still some perception of why I can't be my authentic self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what level five is, also I start stepping into purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who am I?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one, two, three, four is more like the internal validation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need you to tell me I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so four is the self-authoring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the external, getting your validation from inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So four, five, and I do feel like there's this big shift from level five to level six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The six is really the scene, the perfection of every upset in your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're more in tune with your soul purpose and starting to see all the synchronicities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the frequency really shifts, um, you know, when you think about when we all bet each other in Spain, that was people living their their soul purpose, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so level six is collaboration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a higher level two, but we're able to let go of our fears and we're in abundance to truly collaborate and
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[SPEAKER_00]: is level six is the emergence of the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're listening and sensing to the field of what wants to emerge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the IAM and level six is IAM love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Level two, it's IAM love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Level six is the realization that IAM love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And level seven is unity consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are all one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're interesting, when you get to the level seven, we all have moments of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to think like, oh, that's Gandhi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only Gandhi who could be that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We all have moments of seeing a sunset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And before our mind goes, oh my God, this beautiful sunset, your body isn't all, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that moment that glimpse of level seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the shadow of seven is one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know a lot of spiritual gurus who have no money, six is two, five is three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I see it as a spectrum, Joel, not a, it is a hierarchy in terms of consciousness, but it's a spectrum that seven isn't better than one, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the center of gravity and what happens is we have some upset in our life,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to the earlier levels because there's a belief that wants to be transformed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't make one, two, three bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, two, three is the space of transformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that I glad you bring that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've had conversations quite some on this podcast about levels of consciousness and some of the pitfalls potentially, particularly in Anglo-American culture
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[SPEAKER_02]: those stages were born from, you know, particular industrial models of, you know, what it means to be human.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the pitfall of like it's like I want, you know, higher is better basically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we can kind of assess people as being lower.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, so like I
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been sat with the sense of, like, you mentioned Spain when we were on Patrick Conner's retreat together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've noticed that, so that, you could say then a sense like that retreat was a modulator of experience.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like Patrick holds a powerful field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's very difficult to, it's kind of, although it's a field which within which one can be all that one is, that's also beautiful to actually name here, but it's,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's also a fieldman which is very easy to feel one sense of unity and light, you know, as one, as the core of one's being.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I've noticed this in other places and I lack of my own life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I, I can see that part of me that wants the survival instinct that kicks in and wants to prepare.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of rich and nuanced and we're nuanced and like we're very much based and our identity arises in relationship to the context we find ourselves in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just kind of naming a few kind of... Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so anyway, let me pause there because I want to name some more as well, but I don't know if anything comes up there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I'd say is...
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[SPEAKER_00]: a few things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the groups we work with here are Aboriginal elders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We actually do an Aboriginal leadership institute here in Perth, which has been formed by some elders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I trained one of the ladies in the seven levels and she couldn't really resonate with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, do a year away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what she did?
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[SPEAKER_00]: She started with level seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, this is who we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, we are the land, we are unity, we are the animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she teaches the seven levels from seven to one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She, I like that, that's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we're coaching, you know, our clients, I, it's like an onion, you know, at the core of the onion is level seven, that's who we are a source, consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the layers come on the outside, which is just our, you know, the ego illusion to fall away, and that's our life journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what we hold as coaches is that our client is level seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the holding energy for the whole coaching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What, I mean, maybe the answer is very simple to this, but how do you do that if you just do it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, honestly, you know, I've been doing this 25 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I first started, my wake-up call just got me a level four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just in terms of personal growth and courage and moving out of fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been, you know, Joel, it's been my journey for 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And every upset has shifted my consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like what I would say is the illuminate facilitator accreditation we do, it is designed to take people from one to three to four, maybe to five, where they could stand in their life purpose and see every upset in their life has been purposeful for them to be in the purpose of their end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's nothing that has been wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: like you could see the red thread in every single person's life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're free.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're absolutely free to be in their greatness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was gonna write in a book and one of my first versions was my personal story of how I've moved from four to five to six and now I'm kind of six to seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's because I live the work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I deeply, deeply believe in this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's truth, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that intense, the intensity of life can actually create a shift from, you know, like one to six or to seven?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I asked that because, friend of mine once said, like, the
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[SPEAKER_02]: with the most powerful soul-making times, you know, history, you know, and like a very hear the story with like a school teacher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: who wasn't Jewish going into the gas chambers with the children to comfort them as, you know, as that, that's just an extraordinary act of service, you know, of sacrifice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, you know, so I wouldn't, because it can feel kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: a bit bleak if we think, well, everyone's contracting to one because of the intensity of life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my sense is, and I've seen this amongst my friends that people, and I feel listen, my own life, it's like, let me say this, if I'm honest, like I can feel the part of me that wants to kind of hunker down and survive, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to make that part of me wrong, but I can also feel this call into service, you know, to being a contribution.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, God, it really is going to get very difficult.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to be on my death bed looking back and feeling like I was a contribution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, well, it's a choice and where you choose to spend your energy, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the first step is just to become aware that that's not me, and I have these patterns and I have these beliefs, but that's not who I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of coaching is just awareness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're aware, and then we're always a choice of do I want to spend, do I want to, like, noticing I'm in this fear-based paradigm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just noticing it and choosing, see, this is another thing about values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can always go back, what are my top two values?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's my purpose?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's my top two values?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I go off on tangents, and I have this discipline, I have this little book, which is my values journal, which is my purpose and my top values, and every week I go back to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I see the perfection of my upset two, my values teaching me this right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, one is choice, noticing and being a choice, and investing your time in feeling your purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I remember when we were at the retreat, I saw your potential, so I was like, I just, I don't know if you felt this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw what you're going to do with coaches rising, and I saw it more than you saw it at that moment, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, yeah, it's choosing to spend your time in the aspiration of who you want to be, because it's always evolving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And who you want to be, of course you're going to get the next upset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then you transform that a new value emerges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've just been in awe of watching my values evolve and now they're pretty much all around being in presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I did have a new one last week around courageous conversations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, that's back to level two, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The upsets of my life, I'm not speaking my truth fully.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, okay, back to that life pattern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my self work is speaking expressing my truth from source as opposed to from ego.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now I've set myself in the next week to have these courageous conversations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had one yesterday and I was really good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and yeah, I'm walking through my fear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to ask you about this process, but just the reflection is what I noticed for me is, I used to, when I came across these kind of stages of consciousness and even the idea of enlightenment, Ken Wilber often kind of placed, like non-dool awakening at the top of his stages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really wanted to, just like, of course, I wanted to be that, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The older I get,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the less I care about things like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I feel now it's like I'm coming out of a kind of indoctrination.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a bit of a, it's not indoctrination, but it's like the parts of me that felt like it needed to have that in order to be okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the parts of me that took on spirituality as a bypass, as a way to escape,
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[SPEAKER_02]: suffering and tension, and the real well-being that's come from a descent, you know, and an actual embracing of things which I had kind of judged before due to, you know, maybe spiritual beliefs that I took on, like, you know, impeccability, integrity, like, performance,
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[SPEAKER_02]: like real love in the craft, you know, things that I like before I'd kind of written offers like, well, you know, I'm just gonna, I just wanna end up in some kind of like completely liberated being state where I don't care about anything and so, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a striving, that's a striving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, it's actually loving the journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to experience it fully, and in the whole body, and you know, asking your inner self, like listening to your inner wisdom, what is this about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the message from me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the deeper truth?
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least what I've learned with this values, this values work, is it's opened my channel within me to hear the messages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's what I'd say to you, to remember that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know that's something we've talked about quite a bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, you know, the importance of inner wisdom and how you connect to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does that feel?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think everyone has different senses, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like visual hearing,
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[SPEAKER_00]: My thing is I go off for a walk and I just get downloads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I just, I need space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for me, it's, I just hear messages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I used to think it was my self-talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I went to a body worker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm laying on the,
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[SPEAKER_00]: on her table, and she'd find where the block is, and she'd go into the block, and I'd have a voice come through me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was my self-talk, and she said the same thing that I was thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was my inner wisdom that was speaking, and she said the same thing, because she's psychic or whatever it is, and I thought, oh, that's my wisdom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not my self-talk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that actually gave me confidence, and especially when I'm facilitating, is to trust it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So trusting the voice, that's within you, because like one part is just knowing the old pattern and go, oh, here I am, rinse and repeat again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And well, you know, I'm passionate about values as when I come back to what I'm surfacing
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the part of me that wants to evolve and grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm listening for the wisdom that's within it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the day, you can't live on a cloud, so you have to walk through the fear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know a lot of people who go to every spiritual retreat but you have to come back to reality and have that conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but I'm just finding that these synchronicities and the unfoldment is because you got to do the work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's got their pattern, and it's just not making it wrong and saying, this is connected to my soul purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I've come here for, this is the duality, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, does that make any sense to you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It does, yeah, it kind of comes brings me back to what you said before about you have a value, kind of a journal and I'm wondering how you would invite people listening now to kind of, this is what came up for me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like I heard Joe Hudson talking about decision-making
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[SPEAKER_02]: really alive for us right now, which I think is the same thing, it kind of, not the same thing exactly, but it points to like, what are the deeper principles and values behind what's important to us, which can inform what we choose to do, and when you talked about
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[SPEAKER_02]: courageous conversations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, there's just moments in life where you feel like, oh, this has just become, this has come alive for me right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm wondering how you would invite people to kind of start to relate to values, you know, if you, they were journaling or just, you know, relating to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So something super simple, I think, is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: first noticing what is challenging you in your day-to-day life, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're just noticing discomfort, you're noticing you're illuminating about the same thing, but you're just noticing that there is an upset and a really easy way is noticing if you're blaming someone or feeling
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[SPEAKER_00]: situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, you know you're in an upset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, one is notice the biggest challenge in your life, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, what are the top two or three values that are important to right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, not the same list you had for 20 years ago, but right now what's important to you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And secretly, we know why it's important to you, right, is because there's a perceived
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[SPEAKER_00]: that the values trying to wake you up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what are your top two or three values?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much are you living that value?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Zero to 10, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the belief of why you're not living it fully?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Boom, there's your belief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Notice your beliefs, two or three values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's usually the mass level core beliefs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not loved, I'm not good enough, or variations of those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you connect those beliefs to your challenge?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You immediately have a light bulb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's your work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the transformation work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what most people do is they make the challenge wrong, but we're kind of going, no, the challenge is your wake up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The challenge is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: consciousness waking you up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the next growth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, the transformation is loads of people have modalities, like Byron Cady and, you know, we have the values.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone has different modalities, but the key is the heart knows who you are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what's the
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[SPEAKER_00]: put the belief aside, who would I be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do I want to be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any of these transformational questions?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how is this part of my purpose?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Live, I created this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All these type of questions, your heart knows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the lightbulb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, that's, you know, to see everything in life is in service of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it was Eckhart Toy, who says life will give you
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[SPEAKER_00]: life will give you whatever experience is most beneficial for the evolution of your consciousness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Life will give you whatever experience is most beneficial for the evolution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's really what our work is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Being on the balcony and seeing that everything is serving us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That brings me back to a point I wanted to come back to, which is
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[SPEAKER_02]: that kind of piece of loving the beliefs or feeling the emotional valence of that belief and I know you've got your own method and you've talked about these different practitioners you've worked with, you know, Byron KT and Dimartini and I know you've a Gita Ballin and you know, Shai Tobali's expansion method.
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[SPEAKER_02]: from all of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder, and you've probably spoken into this somewhat, but I want to kind of see we can expand it a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is the essence of opening, you're releasing that belief, you know, or, yes, metabolization?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this was a really big light bulb for me a few months ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because as you know, I took this shy's course on Chakra Healing, trauma and healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really see the Chakra's mirror in the values, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the life development stages of Chakra's, of course, those values become important at every Chakra level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, every Chakra has three levels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I realize values have the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The outer layer is where our data day triggers are, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say the value of achievement for me is my, you know, I'm getting triggered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to, you know, overwork.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to be perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, that is a pattern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the outer layer is our day to day triggers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The middle layer is where our trauma is held.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that belief, I have to overachieve to be loved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's held in my zero to seven years, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is held in my mother pushing me in my story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so therefore we have to do that deeper work, whether it's trauma healing or expansion method or the de-Martini, that's the deeper work to see the perfection and the gift, so that the belief
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the stutterness and the nervous system transmutes to light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know this, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's whatever process where they at belief that we have held as wrong when we realize that we've become who we are because of that, that it was almost a sole contract to experience that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that when that transmutes, then we get to the core of the value or the chakra, which is love, or source, or essence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So every value is teaching us love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every upset setup is an experience of love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have this light bulb that we can actually consciously track our values to go through
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[SPEAKER_00]: the upsets set up and I realize every upset in our life is teaching us love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like love, think about the seven levels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As we move, we're learning love, love, love, love, ultimately, level seven, as we move through this, that's the, there is only love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is my life journey to realize that I'm not saying everybody should realize that.
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, wow, you know, there's only fear and love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to let that breathe a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's been my experience that it's interesting to you talk about this, you know, the outer middle
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[SPEAKER_02]: it does speak really beautifully, doesn't it, to that same process of like that the outer world is a reflection of, you know, it's an invitation into the, you know, the patterning, the contractions and, and it's just recreated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like that patterning, that contraction, if we're trying to get rid of it, it only grips on more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's actually like the healing comes from the light, from, you know, IFS, it comes from self energy, you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then that brings a kind of loving presence to this
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[SPEAKER_02]: trauma that it never had and then it unwinds into love, you know, as Patrick says, it's like, in fact, I'm kind of like, I'm not going to be able to quote him now, but it's something like, you know, the darkness is contracted light, basically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it, you know, in the greater the darkness, the greater the light?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, do you remember up, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's beautiful, beautiful.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that kind of maybe opens up just to move into like, you know, one of the things I have from say to our communities like I feel coaches can play an important role in our times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I've been sat with also,
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[SPEAKER_02]: inquiring into where are we actually making a difference in the world, you know, as opposed to having, you know, a dream or a spousing to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think so, and I'm more humble than I used to be, but at the same time,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do believe in the more people we have not to save the world but to support others to be able to meet themselves in relationship to the intensity of life right now seems more important than ever because like the triggers are really loud.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the gift of our times you know that I've been thinking about this is like
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's really devastatingly difficult for a lot of people and I'm very privileged, so I'm careful saying this, you know, it's easy for me to say it's a gift, but for me it has been and that I've had to look at where
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, where am I being really caught in reactivity and judgment and fear and to love those parts of me?
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so I'm losing my question a little bit, which is, I think, what do you think is the core for coaches right now and the challenge that the field of coaching needs?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel there's, you know, when you think about seven levels, there's coaching way of being at each level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel the most important thing is for coaches to live transformation in their own life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when they do and they shift their consciousness, they're able to be of greater service to their clients.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're truly at level 7 consciousness where you are me and I am you, every client that I'm attracting is me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So therefore, that's a message for me to do that work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really do believe everyone who I come in contact with is a reflection of me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's my work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, non-judgmental, it's not, I remember my early days of coaching, and I was like, if I didn't leave that coaching thinking I'd really, you know, transform them such level three consciousness, right, that's my message is the more you do the work on yourself and you see the perfection of every moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You hold a bigger field for your clients and you're a, you're just, your, your frequency is shifting the planet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything we haven't talked about that you want to name before we start to bring our conversation to a close?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that was one of your questions was I do sense this possibility for us all to hold this feel together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, maybe it's because I am letting go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I do notice in the last few years, it's like let go, let go of all the, it's mine, it's my stuff, you can't have it.
1:07:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like I'm just letting go and what that does is it opens up deeper connections, you know, with Amy and with Bob and with you and it's just a, I have this feeling,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that holding this wider feel together has the ability to shift more and in resonance.
1:07:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know the answer, I just have this feeling in sense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It does speak to me that,
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[SPEAKER_02]: on one level if we're all making our way as, you know, practitioners and we've got our businesses and there's something beautiful about that but we're all siloed and separate and if the field in general is able to collaborate in a way that amplifies what we can give, then that
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[SPEAKER_02]: a beautiful thing and you know, I find the kind of current paradigm that's dominant, you know, capital capitalist paradigm is kind of like a field dense and trying to escape that kind of siloed feeling sometimes.
1:08:55
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do resonate with what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel with what you're
1:09:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:09:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey Lisa, thank you so much for sharing yourself so generously and it's been a real delight to get to know you, I must say that.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_02]: And you really embody generosity for me like the conversations we've had and your holding of space has been really rich for me.
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Where can we find out more about your work as well?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you can find out our website,
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[SPEAKER_00]: see our pevolution.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, everything's there.
1:09:43
[SPEAKER_00]: People can contact me directly on LinkedIn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I love the conversation.
1:09:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.
1:09:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we are.
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1:09:55
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll see you again next time.
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