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MTM-Interview with DR. Bob Sears Part Two · More Than Medicine

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country.
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  SPEAKER_01: Robert Jackson and his wife Carlotta and daughter Annabeller.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to More Than Medicine.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm privileged once again to have Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bob Sears online.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's calling all the way from Southern California just so he can educate us a little bit about vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bob, thank you for being with us.
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  SPEAKER_03: I want to start off by asking a little bit about a measles outbreak that we had in South Carolina.
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  SPEAKER_03: This last year we were one of about six or seven states that had a measles outbreak.
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  SPEAKER_03: And there were a little over 2,000 cases of measles in our state.
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  SPEAKER_03: And of course, those of us who are a little uh permissive with our patients in regards to childhood vaccines are criticized because they number one claim that 95% of those who had measles were unvaccinated.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then number two, physicians who don't promote vaccines are contributing to the loss of herd immunity.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if if you can start off by just let's talk about those two things.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, let's touch on herd immunity first, Robert.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, let me let me take us back 60, 70, 80 years, back to when everyone caught measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if you caught measles when you were a kid, but but everyone used to catch measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: And during childhood, measles is actually the mildest uh you know of all the ages you can catch it.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, measles is easiest on children.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, so everyone would get immune for the rest of their life.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, they'd grow up, they'd have immunity as adults, and then you know, the next generation of kids would catch measles and they'd be immune.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and measles, though, sometimes can be pretty severe if a really young baby catches measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like a little, you know, one, two-month-old baby can catch measles, it can be pretty bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: The thing is, what used to happen is all these moms were immune because they caught measles when they were kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they grow up during pregnancy, they would be immune.
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  SPEAKER_02: They would give their immunity to babies, so their babies would be born naturally immune to measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: So babies wouldn't catch it while they were young, and then the cycle would continue.
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  SPEAKER_02: Basically, everyone developed natural herd immunity so that older adults and the elderly, when measles can be pretty severe, they were all immune.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in me and infants in the first year of life, they were immune.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the herd that needed protection, the elderly and the babies, they were all naturally immune to measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then kids, you know, had to endure the disease so that they would develop natural immunity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, what we've done, Robert, is we've taken away natural infection during childhood and replaced it with vaccine-induced immunity.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the problem with vaccine immunity is it wears off in almost everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: It begins wearing off in the early teenage years.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, the two childhood measles shots we now get, those wear off in the teenage years, and you grow up to be adults totally uh open to catching measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I understand.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then the the other problem is these young babies are now also being born with no natural measles immunity anymore because their moms have no natural immunity for the disease.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, what we've done is we we've taken the disease away from our country, so kids don't really catch it much anymore until recently, and we'll talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But kids get the vaccine, and maybe the vaccine works pretty well in a lot of these kids, and so they don't catch measles, but they all lose their immunity.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we essentially no longer have herd immunity, Robert.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the reason we don't have herd immunity in all the adults is we don't have a vaccine that lasts into adulthood.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So the entire herd of adults are are wide open to measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and um, you know, newborn, you know, newborn babies, they're wide open to measles as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we could see some severe infections in babies because we've taken away their natural immunity.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's the number one reason why we will continue to have some measles outbreaks is that adults will spread it to each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: They'll catch it from their kids, they'll spread it around.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we'll we'll never be able to get rid of measles because we can't, because too much of our population has no immunity.
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  SPEAKER_03: I understand that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, now if you add that, add the factor in though that childhood vaccination, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I feel like we had really high rates of childhood vaccination for measles, you know, in the in the 70s, 80s, 90s, the 2000s, even the 2010s, that decade, we had a lot of people vaccinating against measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I know, Robert, that we we tend to try to say, you know, vaccines don't work and they have all these side effects, and people that don't like vaccines often will just claim that vaccines don't work at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: While I might agree with them for some vaccines, I feel like the measles is one vaccine that does seem to work for several years, and that it gives you some pretty decent immunity for several years as a child.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I think that's why we went many years with having very little measles in our country.
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  SPEAKER_03: I gotcha.
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  SPEAKER_02: We might have a few hundred cases here, a few hundred cases there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes we'd have a thousand cases in a year.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then last year and this year, we have the most cases we've ever had in 30 years.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have more measles this year and last year than we've had than we've seen in a very long time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and a lot of it is happening in children who don't get the vaccine because people have totally lost trust in the safety of the measles vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's actually a triple vaccine, it's measles months, rubella, MMR vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_02: The public has lost confidence in the safety of the vaccine, so they've stopped a lot of people have stopped giving it to their kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: And consequently, we're seeing more measles in kids.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you know, again, everyone who's vaccinated, they don't have to worry about, you know, being around these unvaccinated kids because if their vaccine works, then they're great.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um so I don't blame unvaccinated people for these outbreaks um because again, adults are a big source of spreading the disease, regardless of the children.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_03: I understand that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And uh so that's that's kind of how I look at our current measles status.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I you know, I feel like until we come up with some sort of safer vaccine, people just aren't trusting the current MMR because of it because of its side effects.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I feel like people now kind of are probably gonna have to get used to accepting measles as a potential risk that you know that the kids face.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the good news is there's a lot of things we can do to prevent severe measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we can talk about that, you know, if if you would like to.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would like to because because my patients asked me, doc, if if our children don't get the vaccine, um, will they eventually get measles?
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  SPEAKER_03: Or if they get measles, will it be worse?
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  SPEAKER_03: And then they ask me, what if they get measles, how do I treat them?
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  SPEAKER_03: What should I do?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So those are all valid questions.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so let's talk about how to prepare for measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like we don't have any way to stop you from getting infected because it's such a contagious infection, it's very easy to catch.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you're exposed really closely to someone else with measles, you're probably gonna catch it.
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  SPEAKER_02: But how do you prepare your body so you fight it better?
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  SPEAKER_02: You got a lot of you have to get a lot of uh vitamin A into your body.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, eat vitamin A foods.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can just Google search online what foods have natural vitamin A.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you take cod liver oil as a supplement, that has a lot of natural vitamin A.
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  SPEAKER_02: You could even take a vitamin that you know that has vitamin A in it.
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  SPEAKER_02: We know that kids who have a lot of vitamin A in their system through their diet, measles is much water much milder for them.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's the good news.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's very easy to get enough vitamin A.
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  SPEAKER_02: And let me touch a little bit on the data we have, and this is kind of partly why I'm part of physicians for informed consent that you and I are going to talk about later, is is we did a lot of research on measles, and we found that based on all the CDC data from 50 years ago and 80 years ago, and even more recently, some good data and good research, if you're a healthy child that has enough vitamin A in your system, the chance that you will die of measles if you catch measles, you know, the chance of a fatal case of it is only one child for every 93,000 cases.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, one in 93,000 is the fatality rate for measles if you have a lot of vitamin A in your system.
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  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's great news.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a very low fatality, low fatality rate.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because they were probably less than uh, I don't know, 14,000 total cases last year.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah in all the six or seven states that are involved.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I know now, I mean, if if you are a very malnourished child, uh maybe you grew up in a lot of poverty and you didn't get enough food, or say you live in a third world country where where all the kids are impoverished and malnourished, measles is a whole different story.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's very severe in those in those countries.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the fatality rate could be as high as about one in a thousand, you know, if you look at you know kids that are way less healthy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or we know if if if someone's really sick with measles and they go to the ER or they get hospitalized or something and they're really, really sick with it, the fatality rate is about maybe one in a thousand.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and there's a lot of different ways to look at the numbers, but you know, get your kids healthy, get them well fed with vitamin A, and and that's how you prepare for measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the final way to prepare is, and Robert, you might even want to do this because I I have some of this in my office, is if you catch measles, you can take very, very high doses of vitamin A once a day for two days.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you take a dose one day, you take the dose the next day.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you're exposed to measles or you actually get infected with measles, you take two days of very high dose.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that vitamin A can also give you a much milder case.
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  SPEAKER_03: How big a dose is a is a high dose of vitamin A?
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  SPEAKER_02: So a high dose is if you're a if you're a child one and older, it's 200,000 units.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh 200,000 international units.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you're a child one year and older and an adult, you take that once a day for two days.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um if you're younger, if you're a little baby, like less than six months, I think it's 50,000 units.
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  SPEAKER_03: I gotcha.
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  SPEAKER_02: If you're uh between six months and twelve months, it's a hundred thousand units.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um well the amazing thing is that as as much of an outbreak as there was in our state, I I didn't see any of those cases.
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  SPEAKER_03: None of my patients who don't take vaccines were one of those cases.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I didn't know anybody in my county who saw a case of measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and you know, a lot of these healthy kids are not vaccinated.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're not even getting exposed to measles because the outbreaks are pretty, you know, spread far apart and they're they get pretty well contained.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I I don't feel like people need to fear measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think you need to understand it and be ready for it, but I don't think you have to live in fear of it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, think uh things are not the same now as they were in the early 1900s in terms of sanitation and in terms of hygiene and in terms of um nutrition.
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  SPEAKER_03: Everything is different now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh you know, this is almost a hundred years later.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so if folks get a case of measles nowadays, it's not like the early 1900s when folks were often vitamin deficient, nutrition deficient, hygiene was totally different.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh our our patients are a different patient population nowadays.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, let me ask you about physicians for informed consent.
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  SPEAKER_03: How how did that get started?
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  SPEAKER_03: And you what are the publications that y'all have produced?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, you know, back in uh 2015 in California, the they mandated vaccines.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, they they took away our our uh our right to say no to vaccines and still go to school.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they they made vaccines mandatory for school, um, just like they are in in New York and a few other states.
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  SPEAKER_02: Now, most states vaccines are not mandatory for school.
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  SPEAKER_02: Most states you you can you have the freedom to choose.
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  SPEAKER_02: Right and you can opt and still take your kid to school.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and what happened is the legislators in California that they believed the CDC data that showed people who don't vaccinate are are dangerous to be around and they spread disease and they put everyone at risk, and they and the CDC has a lot of data that that overblows the danger of these diseases.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like, for example, the CDC used to say, yeah, every you know, you can you have about a one in a thousand chance of dying from measles.
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  SPEAKER_02: Whereas the reality is it's you have a way, way less chance dying from measles, yeah, like I said earlier.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the problem was the legislators in California they believed the CDC data, and they believed that you know uh all these diseases are gonna come back, they're gonna start killing everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we really need to vaccinate everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: Physicians for informed consent was a group of us that got together and decided, you know, we know that none of that's true.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna research all the available data, including all the CDC's own data, and we're gonna we're gonna publish the truth about vaccines using real data collected over the last hundred years.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's what we did.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so our uh we call it the uh we call the silver booklet, but I think the real title is what is it?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's vaccines and the diseases they prevent.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um by by physicians for informed cent.
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  SPEAKER_02: What you'll see in there is the true data about how what was the true fatality rate of every disease, how many people were dying every year before every disease, before every vaccine came out is what I meant to say.
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  SPEAKER_02: What how dangerous was everything before each vaccine was developed, and what would it look like today if a disease came back?
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  SPEAKER_02: And and you know how many people would be harmed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And what we found is even before each vaccine was developed, 99.999% of the population in our country was never harmed by any of these infections.
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  SPEAKER_02: The infections were were harming or causing fatalities in like one in a hundred thousand people, one in a million people.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, one in five hundred thousand people were were being harmed by these infections.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot of people are surprised when they find out how truly low the fatality rates were of all these infections prior to each vaccine.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep, that's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I think everyone's impression is yeah, everyone was dying left and right.
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  SPEAKER_02: We were losing people by the millions, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: But everyone was like was was scared of these vaccines and worried about them and think thinking that that we're gonna lose everybody if if if we let measles come back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Whereas the reality is that's that's that's very far from the truth.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: These infections uh were not nearly the as severe as as people say.
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  SPEAKER_02: So um so we put together the data so people could look at the data themselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they could read the uh and understand uh that they don't have to live in fear of of infections coming back and causing a great deal of harm.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, now did the legislature in California receive gladly the information that you positioned or informed consent?
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  SPEAKER_02: They didn't listen to us at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: No.
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  SPEAKER_02: They ignored our data, of course.
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  SPEAKER_02: Any gear you're asking a rhetorical question.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: I am, I am.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, now, what kind of opposition did you personally or the group of you get for producing the silver booklet?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, well, silver booklet has actually been very well received.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um everyone that's looked at it is is amazed.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm amazed.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was very pleased with it as a production.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I think I think what we're finding, Robert, is the number of doctors that agree with us is there's so many more doctors than we thought that were out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: I feel like doctors have been so quiet about this for so many years because they're afraid to speak out.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
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  SPEAKER_02: But now, you know what?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_02: People are not afraid to speak out anymore.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: People are you know all over the country, all over the world speaking out about vaccine safety and and wanting to you know understand, you know, vaccine risk better and understand vaccine side effects and help their patient understand it.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, the it's been very well received.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: I know, um, I know medical boards uh who license us doctors, you know, who kind of oversee us and and you know allow us to practice medicine.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Medical boards have really come after a lot of doctors that are taking this alternative look at vaccines.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I understand.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_03: Well Andrew, did you did your personal practice uh have opposition or issues because of your policy?
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly for sure for patients to decide?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I spent uh I was I was in an eight-year battle with uh with my state medical board over this issue.
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  SPEAKER_02: They they tried to take my medical license away because of my uh the way I I practice and and educate my patients about vaccines.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And in fact, I wrote a book about it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, tell us that title, because I think folks would enjoy reading that.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's called One Doctor versus the Medical Board by uh Dr.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Bob Sears.
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  SPEAKER_02: But you know what, you know what the best part of the book is?
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us it's it's a fictional retelling of my whole account.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: I got you.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of me just writing out kind of like a boring commentary, you know, about my real life, I decided to turn it into a story where I could create characters and create, you know, more drama, make it more interesting, but but truthful still.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and basically it's kind of like a like a historical fictional autobiography of my life.
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  SPEAKER_03: I got you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where I present what what it's truly like for a doctor to live through a medical board investigation.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I I tell the story in a way that I think is is actually a pretty fascinating, enjoyable, and and uh interesting uh story to read through.
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  SPEAKER_02: So you kind of live it with me instead of uh and you live the other characters.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I have like medical board characters and police investigators and lawyers and uh other doctors, and there's politicians in the book and media.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I kind of created this whole tale to make it more interesting so people could people to read what it's like for a doctor, for a country doctor to I'll definitely order that for myself and some of my medical friends.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it also kind of teaches you how to navigate.
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  SPEAKER_02: through a medical board investigation as well, you know, as a doctor.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like what I learned, you know, what lessons I learned from I need to know I need to read that my own self.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well now d tell tell us a little more about your personal experience and your medical practice w with patients who received the vaccine versus those who did not.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: We started on that yesterday but then we sidetracked to another topic.
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  SPEAKER_03: I I want to hear that a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_03: That was fascinating to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah but basically I I used to vaccinate a lot of my patients uh starting about 30 years ago when he first started practicing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um but then about 15 years ago my patients all kind of wanted to stop vaccinating and I became the office that pretty much raised you know kids without vaccines.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: When did that happen because you were willing to listen to the patients or mostly because you were promoting your own perspective?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: No I in fact I wasn't even really promoting my perspective much at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: They came to me after doing all their own research and they just said yeah I don't want to vaccinate.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: How about that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Um and or or I mean some of them were unsure and so we would do a whole bunch of talking and we would discuss it and they would then decide they don't want to vaccinate.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it it was just a whole shift nationwide Robert you've probably seen the same thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I have more and more moms coming in who who just straight up don't want to vaccinate.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: And then I had a lot of others who have a lot of questions.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah so what I've seen with these families that don't vaccinate they're they're so amazingly healthy.
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  SPEAKER_02: They almost never get all the childhood ailments that all my vaccinated patients used to get and my practice was busy you know probably like your practice was years ago tons of ear infections and sinus infections and allergies and asthma and more and more you know developmental problems and and uh you know intestinal problems and just all these you know all these infections you know tonsillitis and enlarged tonsils and all the stuff that we had to deal with as as pediatricians my patients my vaccinated patients were sick left and right what I'm seeing with my unvaccinated patients is it some of them still have some of those problems but but it's rare.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah it's now very infrequent.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I'll sit around and I won't even see a single sick kid some days.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: My goodness um yeah like I'll see I'll do like you know 20 checkups and no sick kids.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah or used to be 20 checkups and 10 sick kids every day.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I almost never see all these normal childhood ailments in my unvaccinated kids because I suspect their immune systems are healthier because we haven't messed them up by artificially hitting them with all these vaccines.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: So their immune systems just plain old work better.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so they fight off all these ailments that they come across them.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I never have to see them.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have no other doctors that have had a similar experience in their medical practice?
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah not not in my same practice but no I have a lot of colleagues that do the same thing and we're all finding the same the same thing with their patients.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah I've read about a few other medical pediatric clinics mainly that have had the same experience as yours and it was pretty eye-opening to me and and quite amazing uh on top of that so I was I was intrigued to learn about pediatric practices like yours that had um either a large collection of unvaccinated or 50-50 where some were and some weren't and you could compare the the wellness so to speak of the two different groups and it's been quite fascinating.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yep all right well look our time is about up do you have any final comments or or was there a third book that you had published?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know no we just have the vaccine book you know the the one doctor versus the medical board we have the vaccines and the diseases they prevent okay yeah those are kind of some of the the main you know vaccine related books that I have out there people can check out my website and and and see more that I have to offer and what's your website again it's it's just drbobse.com okay just uh drbobsears.com.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha and your books are they available on Amazon?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yep they sure are and and I have the same uh the same handles on social media as well drbobsears gotcha gotcha well I want to thank you for your time and for your expertise I appreciate the experiences that you've had uh I share some of the opposition that's come down the pipe for my own self in regards to COVID vaccine and adult vaccines so it it's a similar road that we've traveled.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: So Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bob I want to thank you for your kindness for your um in um expertise and the willingness to share your experience with my listening audience.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: You're very welcome Robert all right maybe we can have you back another time to talk about another subject all right well thank you for your time all right you're listening to More Than Medicine.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Robert Jackson my guest today is Dr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Bob Sears all the way from California and until next week remember Jesus loves you and your doctor loves you and I'm praying that the Lord will bless you real good.
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