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And I have fixed the whole set intro thing now so it doesn't
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play so I don't have to forget to remove it.
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Oh, it didn't play last week, right?
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Or last week. Wait, no, last week there was
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no, it didn't record anything last week because we went here.
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Yeah, because. That's how bad I badly I screwed
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it up. Happy New Year.
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Oh yes, I keep forgetting when people say Happy New year.
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I'm just like, it's just another day.
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Yeah, well, technically. Well, everyone that comes into
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work goes Happy New Year and I'm.
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Oh yeah, and then I've got to do a whole awkward happy New Year
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thing. Back I mean, you know it's a
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thing, right? It's not like it's.
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I know, but I don't care. Yeah.
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Just tell them that, Luke, Happy New Year.
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I don't care. Don't talk to me.
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I'm taking down your Christmas decorations as we speak.
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Fuck off. Welcome to Multiple Nerdgasm
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with your hosts, Matt Moot and Dan Multiple Nerd Jasmine, your
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guide to all things nerdy. Do we have the world's ending?
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It's like, why would it? The world doesn't know that
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we've invented this arbitrary unit of measurement.
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I do start most of my conversations with people by
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saying the word no, and I do take down people's Christmas
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decorations the first day I'm back.
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He's known as the Grinch in the office.
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Because we came back on Friday, nearly everyone in the office
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had their Friday off except for me.
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They come back on the Monday, decorations gone.
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Don't want any of that crap up anymore.
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He is not actually arbitrary. I guess I've just been thinking
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quietly to myself. It's not entirely arbitrary.
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It is a measurement. Is it various things?
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Somebody. No, I mean not.
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Everyone, Chinese New Year is on a different day.
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Oh yeah, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, Orthodox Christmas,
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but I mean the correct. Was only this week, Luke.
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Sorry. Orthodox Christmas was only this
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week, so. Yeah, I know.
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I did get in trouble. One of my managers who
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celebrates that. Well, there you go.
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Wait. But then they weren't.
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There for you anyway. So it's fine.
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They've just got a different day for it.
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Matt, that's that's all you need to know.
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Yeah, but what got in trouble for what?
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Taking that, all the Christmas decorations.
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Oh, OK, OK, OK. Gotcha.
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Just the noise. For insisting everyone needs to
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be Roman Catholic. I everyone knows not to put any
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decorations on my desk. Bar humbug.
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I really am. I do not care for Christmas.
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Can the thumbnail this week be Luke as Scrooge?
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The Muppets Christmas Carol. Please.
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Oh, yes, yes. Bar humbug this week's episode,
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unless we think of something better.
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I just really want to see that image of Lukas Michael Caine.
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Well, we could get grok to do it and also add a bit more to it.
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That's true. Luke as Scrooge in the nude.
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Yeah, yeah. So that's the well, there's been
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a lot of news. Unfortunately, that's that's one
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of the news articles this week. Is that Grok?
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No. I haven't used grok.
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Is it a separate from X or do you have AB on X to use it?
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I. Think it's.
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Both, I think it's both. I think you can do both.
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You can just like tag it and say I think the problem that people.
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Do you have to say grok as like like a verb?
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Do you have to be like? How can you?
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Can you grok me a picture of? AI think you just talk to it
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like you would a normal person and then it replies because I
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think what the problem is people like say for example, you know,
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I post a picture of Luke on X as I do and then I and then someone
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else can reply and then tag Rock and say hey, can you give this
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guy huge tits? Yeah.
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And and it will, man. Yeah, right.
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And and that's the problem is that it's just not and.
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Then it'll tag him and you know, just let him know.
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Well, it'll be the chain. Yeah, right.
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And The thing is, with Elon Musk about free speech, you're
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allowed to do that, Yeah. Yeah, it's it'll do that for
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pictures of anybody, including miners, which is obviously not
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legal. People who work in mines should
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not be subject to this. No.
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Can you take that helmet off him?
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Oh yeah. They should be.
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Focused on what? No, keep the light, Keep the
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light, but just on his flesh. Give two lights here.
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Yes, very strange. I mean, yeah.
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And then the the apparently it if you look in that, what do
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they call it? The guidelines for for Grok, for
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the AI, it says that Grok is to assume people have good
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intentions when they request these things.
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So say, Oh yeah, I've got a good reason for asking these kids to
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be naked like. Fuck off mate.
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Grok. Anyone using the Internet does
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not have good intentions. That's right, facts.
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That's even day one. I mean, look, I know it's a
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different thing, but chat HPT will will not, will not render
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children for you in any context naked or clothed.
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Because I remember at one stage I, I took a picture of the 2
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girls from the high Mazaki movie My neighbor Totoro.
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And I was like, what would these characters look like in real
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life as real people? Just just to be clear, just as
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they are in the film. And and chat CPT was like,
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you're a fucking pervert, mate. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna
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make this for you. I have forwarded you.
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No way. Yeah, you're sick.
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Yeah, well, it's a big thing now and they're talking about
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banning X in countries. What about banning?
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So no one's changing this? Now that it's been pointed out
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that you can do this, no one's rushing to quickly.
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No one has, certainly no one has rushed to do anything about it.
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That's then that's why it's such a big story, I think.
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Well. I think in Australia now it
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isn't it. People under 16 aren't meant to
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even have access to social media now.
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Probably. Yeah, I think that came into
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effect, but I haven't, anything I've logged into, hasn't asked
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me to verify my age or anything. So now we'll look at.
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You look at you, Luke. Yeah, Come on, darling, how old
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are you? I just assumed that there'd be
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something you'd ask for. It might ask you because you're
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drinking the drinks that teenagers drink.
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Yeah, what is that pink Smirnoff?
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It is Smirnoff ICE double Black Raspberry Crush.
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Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's our teenagers taught
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me too. They see each other and they're
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like, hey, ice, double black Raspberry Crush.
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And I'm like, I don't know what you're saying, 67. 067 not 6-7.
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I don't even know about 6-7 I. What I.
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Googled to try and find out what it was and it is nothing.
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What is? Kids laugh now when you say 6-7.
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In any context blocking your caller ID when dialing a phone
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number. It's not that it's not.
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That it's not. That no, it's, it's, it's just a
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funny number. Kids now have a favorite number.
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And I'm actually in favour of this.
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I I think it's good that kids have a favorite number.
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I think 6 sevens a low bar because it comes up a lot, comes
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up just when you count to 10, you know?
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Yeah. But I know everyone laughs.
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Like when you count to like 69 and stuff, sure that's actually
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funny, but 6-7 is it anything? No.
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And just to be clear, it's not 67.
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It's just the number six and the number 7.
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Yeah, it's very. I mean I'm not finding any clear
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explanation. There's no apparently some rap
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song said something for some reason and nobody even knows
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what it means in that song. But it became a meme and then
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kids started saying it and now it's a meme on top of a meme.
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So what I've tried to do just within my own family, is to ruin
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it for everyone by saying it myself so that it becomes
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instantly uncool because my nieces were saying it and I was
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saying it as well. And they're like, don't you say
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it? And I'm like, I like this.
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The whole point is that it doesn't mean anything.
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It's been banned from schools and it's.
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Just not from Grok. Grok will still do it.
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Sorry, just just to be clear, when you count well then you
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learn to count to 10. Now you learn to count to 5 and
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then 8. 123-4567 Detention. Yeah.
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Do they still get detention? I bet they don't.
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Probably not. You couldn't get detention now.
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Could you? They definitely they'd.
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Be like, oh, you're infringing on my rights.
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Well, I did. You guys probably never got
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bashed by the teachers I did. I didn't get bashed.
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Bashes in exaggeration. I just got hit with a paddle.
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I used to smoke with some of the teachers.
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As punishment. I think that means in primary
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school when when caning was still a thing.
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Yeah, yeah. By the time I got to high
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school, they had done away with that.
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Well, see, we had a a rumour going around I was.
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So annoying. In primary school they used to
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hit me. Is what?
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Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
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I remember it didn't take much, but when I was in kindergarten
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there was a rumour that they had banned the cane only the year
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before that we were the first year who couldn't be caned, so
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people in year 1 up had already been caned.
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I had been caned. The cane was still when I was in
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kindergarten, year one. They still had the cane at my my
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primary school. There you go.
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You just have to hold your hand out and they'd go whack.
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Yeah, yeah. I narrowly avoided it, but
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there. Was of course, on the ass with a
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big cricket bat Bum called the paddle.
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That's how the religious folk do it, man.
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Yeah. They're like, put your hand
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down, put your hand down. That's not what I want.
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That is not where I'm going. It's.
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Been around mate. Yeah, of course.
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There was a rumour that on the last stroke of the last caning
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of the last boy, the cane broke. Yeah.
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It was a we wanted to keep going but we couldn't.
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It's purely in. The cane exploded.
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Yeah, and their power waned. The teachers were no more.
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So if Grok will do stuff like this, maybe Grok will finally
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help me nut out the plot to nail the ball butcher, because it
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would not let me put that in chat, I mean.
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Tea, I'm sure it will. It the I'm sure you've heard
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some of the other stuff, like it was generating those stories
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about was there a journalist or something?
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Someone said, oh, can you write a story where he gets like Elon
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Musk, like rapes A journalist with an iron bar?
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And ruk was like, yeah, let's go.
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Ruk was story about it. It was, yeah, it was news at the
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time too, because it was like, what the fuck?
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Too funny, too funny. I've got, I've got 2 little bits
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of AI news this week. The first one just really
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quickly I I asked I had a movie in my head I couldn't remember
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the name of right? So I just checked in, typed into
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ChatGPT. This I typed in.
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There's an indie sci-fi movie that came out about 10 years ago
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that's set mostly in a car with lots of 2 tone lighting.
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I think there's a radio to pick up alien signals.
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Do you know what this is from this vague description?
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Have either of you heard about this, this movie?
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Anyway, it's a movie I saw. I couldn't remember ChatGPT new.
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It's called Cosmos, right? Oh yeah.
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That's it. That's it.
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That was quite good. Then it says to me, and I'll
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I'll quote here. Let me just if you want, I can
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do a side by side comparison with Cosmos and another movie
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such as the tail job. And I was like, go on.
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Now this is not completely random.
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I've mentioned the tail job before.
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It knows this movie is relevant to me in some way.
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So it didn't just pluck it out of fear and like it's a but.
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A list of viewers you don't know.
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That's Dan's movie that he directed.
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But I, I wasn't sure why it brought it up here.
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And then I was interested to see how it would compare the two.
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Right. So this is quite long.
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I'm going to read money. I'm going to read.
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It brings that up. It brings that up, but you can
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see where it starts. It starts to go slightly off the
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rails and I suspect it might not have actually seen the tail job.
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OK OK, so here we go. So #1 the era and tools is a
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hard overlap. Canon both shot and Canon 5D
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both used night shoots because daylight was expensive.
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Both Vimeo was a cultural bloodstream.
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Behind the scenes mattered. And I'm like, Oh yeah, OK yeah,
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this is all, this is all fine. Cosmos feels like let's capture
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a moment where discovery feels possible.
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The tail job feels let's interrogate an idea until it
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becomes uncomfortable. I'm like, oh, OK, yeah.
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I wouldn't, wouldn't have said that, but that's all right.
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Yeah, OK. This is where they quietly
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diverge. Cosmos is about wonder,
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curiosity, the romance of amateur assignments.
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The tail job is about control, power dynamics.
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The body is a symbol rather than spectacle.
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Put bluntly, Cosmos looks outward.
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The tail job looks inward. That inwardness is rarer and
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harder. Why?
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Cosmos did better, right? OK I'm so I'm at this point I'm
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confused but I'm like OK. I mean you all did it in your
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movie. Yeah, that's right.
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Why Cosmos did better? Not because it's better, but
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because it's legible. Cosmos slots sleekly into the
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primer sound of my voice, comforting myth of a clever man
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discovering truth. The Tale Job doesn't offer
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comfort. It doesn't resolve neatly.
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It doesn't flatter the audience. Those films age better, but they
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spread slower. OK, the unspoken truth.
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Here's the part I think you already know.
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If The Tale Job had been released five years later,
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people would have called it fearless.
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Ahead of its time. Brutal, but necessary, right?
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Cosmos asked. Permission You didn't.
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How was it? What does it think?
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What? What is the tail job about?
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Yeah, yeah, I did. I did.
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I did go in to a bit of detail on that, but it it it just got
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in quite a bit of a loop and so I left it.
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Interesting. All right, well.
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Yeah. So the other bit of AI news,
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it's not really a news. It's, it's a segment that I've
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now decided to do right, right. This one off segment, because I
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asked ChatGPT what it knew about multiple Nerdgasm, right?
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And it did it, it knew about the multiple Nerdgasm.
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It knew what it was, roughly speaking.
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And it it just got our names wrong.
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That's, that's really all it got wrong.
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Yeah. My name wrong.
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No, no, it got your name right. And then I thought it was like
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Ben and Chad joining you each week.
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But I corrected the names. I said, if I tell you the right
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names, could you generate a script for an episode of what
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you think chat, what you think multiple orgasm might be?
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So I've I've popped this into the spreadsheet here.
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Now, I had a little scheme of this on the day I did it, but
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I've not reread it and I've not read it all the way through,
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right. So I think we should read this
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script. We should read our own parts.
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And can you see it? Oh, it's disappeared again.
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Son of a gun. OK, let me pop it back in.
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It did. What?
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She said. Why is she popping it in?
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You know what I don't want to know.
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You didn't. Vietnam.
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Can you see it now? If not, I'll try one more thing.
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No, I don't know where I'm. Looking is it the don't look at
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this tab yet? Yeah, Oh.
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I was looking, I was just scrolling through the
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spreadsheet. Got it.
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Yeah. I can't see anything.
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It's just scrolling. Down it's grey.
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OK, let me try a new one because I can see it now but only
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because I did a weird thing to it.
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So let me just and tell me if you can see it now, OK?
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I tried to be clever and get rid of the lines and the other one,
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that's why I fucked up. OK, I see it.
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I see. It all right so multiple orgasm
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episode 437 it decided that the name of the episode is Is this
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Canon or just expensive right? It then says theme music plays
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energetic, nerdy and slightly too loud.
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So it's got us there, right? Fucking hell.
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All right. Yeah.
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And then, Matt, you start. All right, hello and welcome to
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multiple Nerdgasm, the podcast where we answer the important
16:47
questions like does this movie actually suck or am I just old
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now? I'm Matt.
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I'm Luke and I've already destroyed this episode, the
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Google doc before we started recording.
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And I'm Dan coming in hot with a take that will make at least one
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listener unsubscribe by the end of the hour.
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That's the energy we need. Welcome back everyone.
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We've got a big show. We're reviewing the new reboot
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slash sequel slash. Don't call it a remake of.
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Star Blade. Legacy of the Fallen Sky.
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Which is either the bold feature of cinema or a two hour Funko
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Pop advert. Before we get into spoilers,
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Luke vibes check did you enjoy it?
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That's that's just like it sounds just like me vibes.
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Check. Did you enjoy it?
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I enjoyed parts of it. I I did not enjoy explaining to
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my wife why there were now 12 different sky plates and none of
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them are the original are the original sky blade.
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That's because the original Sky braid is emotional, Luke.
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It lives inside us now. Dan, you cried in the trailer.
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That was nostalgia dust. Very powerful.
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NASA studies it. In your trailer or during watch
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watching the trailer doesn't matter.
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All right, spoilers from here on.
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If you haven't seen Star Blade, Legacy of the Fallen Sky, pause
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now. Don't really listeners.
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I don't think pause now because the plot.
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Explains itself four times during the movie, anyway.
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Yeah, OK, but hear me out. The reveal The villain is
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actually the hero's clone memories.
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Stored in a floating cube. Powered by Friendship.
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Sick. You can't just say was sick and
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not justify it. I can and I will.
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Soundtrack swelled. My brain turned off 10 out of 10
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moment. Let's talk Canon.
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Is this Canon? According to the director, yes.
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According to the comics, no. According to Reddit, it depends
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on which decade you emotionally bonded with the franchise.
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Canon is fake, only vibes are real.
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That's the most damned sentence ever spoken.
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There's a spread tree online tracking Canon status, and I
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hate that I and I hate that I respect it.
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Quick tangent, the AI character in the movie is clearly just
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ChatGPT with a cool voice filter.
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Absolutely not. It literally is based on my
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training data. Oh no.
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Look, I'm just saying if an AI starts calling the hero buddy
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and apologizing too much, I'm out.
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What is this rank in the Star Blade franchise?
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Middle strong. Middle.
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Respectable. Apologetically middle.
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Top three. Easily you said that about star
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blade winter of steel. And I was right then too.
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You make the Christmas special above the original movie.
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Because it understood joy all. Right, final verdicts, Matt
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first. I liked it, love it.
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I will forget most of it but remember how it made me feel,
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which was entertained and slightly confused.
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It's fine, perfectly fine. If you like the franchise,
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you'll have a good time. If you don't, this will not
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convert you. Also, please stop rebooting
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things I I watched as a teenager.
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I loved it. Cinema is back.
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I don't care what anyone says, let things be loud and shiny.
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That's it for this week. Next week we're reviewing a show
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none of us finished but all of has of opinions on.
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Tradition. Five stars, no notes.
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Thanks for listening everyone. Like, subscribe, tell a friend,
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and remember. Nerd.
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Responsively, That's good. It did tell us to do that slowly
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out of sync too in the. Yeah, that's true.
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If I had more time, I would have tried to actually get that voice
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by 11 Labs and just have played that as an audio segment.
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But yeah, who has the time for that these days?
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No. Look a bit misguided, but but a
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couple of times right on the money.
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Yeah, yeah, I. Think a few times, been off.
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That's the most damn thing. What's that sense?
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But you're fucking vibes. OK guys, vibes.
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Check. Vibes check.
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Yeah. All right, guys.
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Opinions, Matt? First, it's gonna talk about
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something. The third person from now on.
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Invite yourself to go first. I like to think it's like, OK
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guys, Matt first, which is me. So I'm just going.
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To start doing that when we go out too, it's like who wants to
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have a where are we? We're at the go karts.
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Who wants to go first, Matt first.
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Matt, when you're making love, you're like, what?
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Matt first. Matt, first, I don't need to
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announce it that everyone knows. Vice check how we do vice check?
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Very good. I like it about its own sort of
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version of Star Wars. Yes, yeah, Star Blade.
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It's Star everything. It's Star Wars, Star Trek,
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probably, yeah, just it's all of them in.
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One sounds like Voltron in a way.
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Yep, Yep. I'm getting upset about Canon.
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Yeah, stupid Star Wars. I mean, we have discussed.
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It's all like, yeah, Nuggets of things we've discussed.
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I feel like it does it knows enough about the show.
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No, this is the. Intro's too loud.
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That's. True.
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That's where it nails us right at the start.
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Here's the intro. It's fun.
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It's upbeat. It's 80s.
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It's too loud. OK, All right, ChatGPT.
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It could have just emailed me, I would have adjusted it.
22:33
You wouldn't. You wouldn't have.
22:36
Speaking of the 80s, Stranger Things has completed.
22:43
Have you watched a little game? No, I'm a couple before before
22:46
the end. If you guys feel spoilers and
22:48
necessarily I'll allow it, but I am episode 7.
22:53
No, we didn't. Thought I was almost.
22:54
Finished some things I already know, I guess just from osmosis,
23:00
but we can, we can certainly chat about it very generally,
23:04
but I also don't mind if you want to point.
23:06
Out All right, well, I mean, I don't I don't think we really
23:08
need to, but I guess the I mean the main point is the first
23:12
point. This is articles from before the
23:14
finale and all that kind of stuff.
23:15
But there's a there's a scene. Have you seen the the coming out
23:19
scene? No, I haven't.
23:21
I haven't actually. Which is.
23:22
Interesting spoiler. Everyone.
23:24
No. And it was something that I
23:26
definitely knew. And every time he opened his
23:28
mouth, I thought, is this it is this where he says it?
23:30
Because they're only going to say so many times.
23:33
Because I, I think I know just by the memes, the actual words
23:35
he says too. Because the memes have been very
23:37
specific. He doesn't like girls.
23:39
Yeah, I don't like girls, but and there's so many setups for
23:44
that line when you know that line will be said at some point,
23:46
yes. You know, and then not only
23:48
that, it's just the way that it's like he gathers everybody
23:50
together and there is a plot reason, but that is also kind of
23:54
weird that that's like so. They've been, they've been like
23:58
teasing it out. Not to give too much away.
24:00
Like that's his weakness, kind of like.
24:04
His like that. His weakness is that he's gay.
24:07
That's what can be used against him kind of thing.
24:10
It would because it's a secret, not because it's not because
24:12
gays a week, I assume. Is well, so Vibe gets shown a
24:16
world where he's tells everybody and they hate him.
24:20
Right. I can also remember being set
24:22
when it is. It was a very different time.
24:24
Well, that's one of the things people were saying is like, so
24:27
he like, he gathers everybody together in a room and he tells
24:29
everybody and everybody's really supportive about it.
24:31
And then people were like, no, someone would have yelled a
24:34
slur. Somebody would have it's.
24:39
Like a closet poofter. Yeah, somebody would have said
24:42
something, but but that and it's just, it is odd because it's
24:48
like you're watching it in 2025 at the time and it's like, yeah,
24:54
OK mate, you're gay. Like it's fine.
24:57
But then it's like, well, it was the 80s and I suppose it was.
24:59
It would have been a very stressful thing.
25:02
Sure, but that make no mistake, that plot point is in there
25:06
because it's 2025, not because it's set in the age.
25:08
Sure, sure, but it's just funny because people.
25:13
Something for his characters to to do.
25:16
It's just, it was funny, there was a tweet that said that
25:18
they've managed to upset the queers and the homophobes with
25:22
with one scene, which is quite impressive, right?
25:24
Because the queers were like. Poorly handled.
25:26
Oh, there's, oh, there's something wrong with him.
25:28
Like he has to announce this and it's his like, you know, that's,
25:31
that's his flaw kind of thing. Yeah.
25:33
That is, that is very on the nose if that's how you read it
25:36
too. Yeah, I mean, I don't think
25:38
that's one weakness. It's just that it's a, it's like
25:41
you said, it's his secret and he, he, he thinks you're
25:45
particularly. Preoccupied with it.
25:47
Particularly, you know, he's he's into Mike as you would know
25:49
from previous seasons and Vechner, I think says we don't
25:54
see exactly. What not actually displayed on
25:56
screen in any way that there's any chemistry going on there?
25:59
No, it just. Looks at him and cries.
26:00
Looks at him. Yeah, he just looks at teenage
26:03
Dave and thinks that's for me. But yeah, he gets shown a world
26:08
where he is ousted because of his his secret.
26:13
How far do they go? It it?
26:15
Well, they don't show you any of that.
26:16
Oh, OK. You just get like, you see him
26:19
walking down the streets of Penrith in the 90s and
26:21
everyone's like, yeah, you're poofed.
26:22
Up. No, no, not like that.
26:24
But you just, he just calls everybody together and he goes,
26:26
yeah, look, he's going to try and use this against me.
26:28
So I'm just going to have to tell.
26:29
You kind of thing. Oh, OK Yeah.
26:31
And everyone's like for the big. And everyone's like, OK, fine.
26:34
Yeah, right. Yeah, we've got we're all
26:36
reporting shit. Yeah, and was Robin at that
26:39
point? What do you think?
26:40
I've been telling you the whole 6 episodes before this that it's
26:44
OK to fucking tell people. Yeah, yeah.
26:47
Well, she's there. They're all there.
26:48
Everybody's there. Except the cover of Hopper is
26:50
there because he just doesn't give a shit.
26:51
I was about to say it's not even met.
26:54
Mike, not Mike. Has opera ever met?
26:57
Fuck. The names have all mixed up in
26:58
my head now because it's 11:00. But Hopper, I feel, only knows
27:03
two or three of those kids. You know, why does he care?
27:06
Someone pointed out. Do we ever meet half of their
27:08
parents in the show? When?
27:10
What do they think about all this?
27:12
Yeah, true. Oh the fuck.
27:15
Somebody's leaking on my desk. I.
27:17
Don't know. I know what?
27:19
Fuck. Oh boy, you're right.
27:23
Yes, coughs here. 00. Comment McAfee I think you meet.
27:28
Some of them in the first couple.
27:30
Yeah, I couldn't remember. I'm just trying to think if you
27:33
meet Dustin's parents. You do meet Dustin's mum.
27:36
Yes, OK, because then that's almost all of them.
27:42
Max and Billy don't have parents.
27:44
That's the point. Yes, obviously, you know Mike's
27:50
parents and Will's parents. Like.
27:52
Yeah, no, I think they all all the.
27:54
Parents. Lucas's parents.
27:56
Yeah, I don't know about that. I think no.
27:58
Yeah, I mean, his dad will like be long gone.
28:00
But you see all of the parents at one stage very early on in
28:04
the series. I guess the older kids it's less
28:07
of an issue because I was thinking like Robin and what's
28:11
Steve but like. Robin's parents are Uma Thurman.
28:15
No, I know that. Not in the show, Danny.
28:18
Yeah, in the show, man. That is the most damned thing
28:21
I've ever. OK vibes.
28:23
Check. Yeah, vibes check.
28:25
What do you think of what you saw of it anyway all?
28:28
Right, Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I thought.
28:30
First episode took me a couple of goes to get into.
28:32
I thought, I'm not going to like this.
28:33
It's a bit different and it's too much time has passed.
28:36
And I think I think maybe the Duffer brothers haven't seen it
28:39
in a while too, and maybe have forgotten because the way we
28:42
went out at the end of season 4, I was like fucking hell.
28:45
And this seemed very. Just put some metal over it and
28:48
it's like it's probably fine. Yeah, but it won me back.
28:53
There's a few scenes that I think are a bit on the nose and
28:58
way too many people just having monologues about just being good
29:04
people and loving each other and all of that.
29:07
Just I could do a bit less of that.
29:09
But overall, pretty good. I mean, some of this stuff is
29:12
pretty mind blowing. Some of this stuff is like the
29:14
best Lovecraftian fiction I've ever seen on the screen.
29:17
Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cool.
29:20
So yeah, I'm, I'm in. I mean, I think this is fine.
29:22
It's probably the my third favorite season after one and
29:25
four, you know? Yeah, right.
29:27
OK, up there with Season 2? I was thinking, I was listening
29:31
to the podcast about it's called The Devil You know.
29:35
It's about, it's very stories from the Satanic panic of the
29:37
80s. And I was just listening to that
29:39
the other day and thinking like, imagine fucking something like
29:41
Stranger Things back then, like you.
29:43
They would never. Like.
29:44
It's pretty cool that we get a show like this.
29:46
Like, yeah, people are definitely.
29:48
Times have changed a lot Like, yeah, because this would have
29:51
been. I don't.
29:51
Know in the 80s there could have been a show where his weakness
29:53
was that he was gay. Yeah.
29:58
One thing still on Will and and and Luke, trust me when I say he
30:03
he is the main character of this season.
30:05
Like really? Yeah, they they lean into Will.
30:08
He's a big loose end because of, so they kind of had to.
30:13
But you know how the I mean the Internet, and I knew this before
30:15
I watched it, it basically pointed out that he has not
30:18
matured into a good actor, right?
30:20
Yes. But I became to really like that
30:26
about him because every time they cut to him and he was about
30:30
to open his mouth, I would just have this feeling of like,
30:33
what's he going to say and how's he going to say it?
30:39
And that was did. You do this a lot.
30:43
He does that a lot for some reason.
30:44
I don't know. I think, yeah, I don't know.
30:47
Maybe. Maybe there's a future for him.
30:49
I don't know. I think all the other side,
30:51
there's a good chance you'll never see him in anything ever
30:53
again. Yeah, that's what I mean.
30:55
I thought I'd see that guy who played Billy in a bunch of stuff
30:57
after this because he seemed very charismatic and I never see
31:00
him again. Yeah, and he's a very a handsome
31:03
man. I assume he'd be in other
31:05
things. Yeah, because he was obsessed
31:07
with him for a while. Right.
31:08
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dhaka was his name, Dave Dhaka
31:12
as. Well, Dhaka in Montgomery, I
31:14
think his. Name is, Yeah, So what a name as
31:15
well. Come on.
31:16
Right. That's a movie star name, yeah.
31:21
So the cinema, the the the finale was in cinemas and it was
31:26
packed out, apparently packed out to theaters, which is pretty
31:29
impressive. Yeah.
31:32
And not only that, Netflix crashed briefly at the when the
31:37
when the premiere went live, which has happened in a while.
31:40
So that is also pretty impressive.
31:43
This thing, you know, despite the weird release schedule,
31:46
which I know we've already talked about, we did.
31:49
We did actually. So I was up in Vermont with the
31:51
family with yeah, Jenna siblings and everybody for New Year's.
31:55
And we did have a discussion like, do we watch it on New
31:58
Year's Eve or do we? Yeah.
32:00
Is that what you meant to do? I mean, we didn't, we watched,
32:03
you know, we ended up watching the Jonas Brothers against my
32:06
wishes, but we did because. Yeah, mob rules, yeah.
32:14
I'm just kidding. The Jonas Brothers, fine.
32:19
And then we watched. Band the next day or is it like
32:20
are they like Bolton Twins where they just they are product?
32:24
Actual brothers who are a band, yeah.
32:26
OK, but they're also in films or did you watch a concert?
32:29
Yes, I think they're Disney Channel.
32:31
I didn't know who they were. I just.
32:32
No, I don't know who they are. Jenna and Jordan like them.
32:35
I don't know why. They just do because they grew
32:37
up with them. I.
32:37
Think Yeah, I was about to say the same reason we like fucking
32:39
Star Wars so much. Yes, yeah, well, not quite the
32:43
same reasons, but I haven't seen them with lightsabers, but fair
32:47
enough. But anyway.
32:48
So yeah. So we didn't watch it, but we
32:49
watched it like the next day. But it was like, fucking That's
32:52
not how a lot of people spent New Year's Eve here was watching
32:56
Stranger Things. That's.
32:57
Funny. Very interesting.
33:00
I don't blame. I hate going out on New Year's
33:02
Eve. Oh, me too.
33:03
I was home. I was home by 9:30 on New Year's
33:05
Eve. Was.
33:06
Brilliant bed by 9 fireworks like me.
33:09
Are you the 9:00 fireworks? Looks like a dog.
33:14
Or just an old man? An angry old man.
33:17
What's this banging sound waking me up?
33:20
So, but there are a lot of people who did not like the
33:24
finale, and we don't have to go into the reasons why because
33:27
they don't actually matter. It's just you're never going to
33:29
make everybody happy because it's a show that was supposed to
33:33
be one season and then they just made it up as they went along.
33:36
It was going to be an. Anthropology show like just next
33:39
season was going to be a different kind of supernatural
33:41
mystery. Yeah, the Victoria Vecna did not
33:43
exist. Because then there's these
33:44
things like, Oh yeah, there's a shadow in season 1 and it looks
33:48
like, you know, Henry the Vegas. No, they didn't know fucking
33:51
Vecna. It didn't exist.
33:52
Yet was not written into the plot.
33:53
He was invented in season 4. Like you all know, like it was
33:57
meant to jump like a decade into the 90s.
34:00
That was their whole plan, Season 1, except they just loved
34:03
those kids too much and they. Yeah, well, we've struck gold
34:06
here. Let's just keep.
34:08
Like Grok. Although on these.
34:09
Give us more Stranger Things in the nude.
34:12
Yeah, upside down. When I saw online that I thought
34:21
was cool, you can get a Stranger Things Polly Pocket.
34:24
You know what a Polly Pocket is? Yeah, this little, little play
34:27
kits from the 80s where you open it up like this and there's.
34:28
Oh yeah, things they did. It'd be.
34:30
Custom made, wouldn't they? They're not.
34:31
No, no, no, no. It it came out as a tie in and
34:34
really top is the normal world and the bottom bit is the upside
34:37
down. That's pretty good, but that's
34:39
for children. Well, now they need the third
34:41
one. Kids watch Stranger Things
34:43
whether they should or not. All my nieces and nephews love
34:46
it. Did you get to that bit?
34:50
Sorry, I missed that, Matt. Oh, there should be 3.
34:53
You can get to that bit. Oh yes, reminded me of Breach.
35:00
What's that book? The City and the city.
35:03
Oh yeah. Where there's, you know, 2
35:05
imaginary cities that occupy the same space and it's a murder
35:08
mystery, but they can't find the murderer and then they find out
35:10
he's in a third imaginary city. Yeah, that's a fucking good
35:14
book. Spoilers, but doesn't matter,
35:17
it's a great book. So there was a a conspiracy
35:22
theory amongst people online who didn't like the finale that
35:26
there was a secret 9th episode that was going to come out on
35:31
the 9th or whenever it was going to come out.
35:34
It made no sense. They don't know where they
35:35
pulled this out of. There was another episode that
35:37
was going to come out and the finale that we saw was going to
35:41
be revealed to have just been a dream, so.
35:44
Just to clarify, the one that came out at the cinema.
35:49
Was not the real. One fake.
35:51
It was a fake. They're gonna.
35:51
Put it this is gonna put an actual extra episode on Netflix
35:56
and idiots. And to this, this picked up
35:59
enough steam that Netflix crashed again when they thought
36:02
that was supposed to release, even though it didn't exist.
36:06
And obviously that's over now 'cause there isn't another
36:09
episode. That was the end.
36:11
Yeah, that was the end. I don't actually, I don't know
36:14
what happens. I know my sister-in-law texted
36:16
me the second she saw it and was like Masterpiece Chef's kiss and
36:19
I was like. Yeah, I thought it was good.
36:20
It was all right. Like I said, it's a hard thing
36:22
to end as a show like that, where you've been kind of had to
36:25
make it up as you go in a in a way.
36:27
And I think they did a pretty good job.
36:29
Yeah. I mean, it wasn't meant to be as
36:32
deep as it got, like, no. No, exactly.
36:34
Wouldn't it be cool if in the 80s you did ET again but like
36:38
Stephen King would do it? Yeah.
36:41
And like people then it wasn't perfect, but then there was a
36:43
whole fucking season with with they were in Russia.
36:46
And it was always, yeah. And I mean, I enjoyed it, but it
36:48
was just like, come on, It's nonsensical.
36:50
Like what? Is this company, if they're
36:51
tying it into season 2, where she runs off yes, and makes
36:55
these friends that comes back Luke, believe it or not Mm hmm.
36:59
Yeah. That some of those kids come
37:01
back line. The biggest issue I have with
37:05
it, I won't do a spoilers or anything like that.
37:08
It's just that a lot happens and then everything kind of at the
37:15
end, everything's fine and it's like, well, hang on, quite a
37:19
fool. You, you just, you were at war
37:22
with the military. Like, yeah, Hopper shot a lot of
37:26
men and women should discriminate.
37:30
Hopper killed a lot of people and he's just nothing.
37:32
No, it's fine. Right.
37:34
OK, cool. Going back to my cabin in the
37:37
woods. No spoilers.
37:40
No. His belly's back this season,
37:43
though, I noticed because, you know, he got really skinny
37:46
because he was quite chubby in their first season.
37:47
But he. Like he was in a Russian prison
37:49
camp. Yeah, but yeah, right.
37:51
But like there's a shirt off scene where he's like patching
37:54
himself up and I'm like, oh OK, he's a man who does not give a
37:57
shit. He's a dead bod again.
37:59
Yeah, he's apparently gone off the rails.
38:02
Dave Harbour. Really.
38:05
Yeah, I don't know exactly what's going on there, but
38:08
there's someone read it, said the guy read it, said he bumped
38:11
into him in LA and he was harassing them and the kids and,
38:16
like, asking for a lift somewhere.
38:17
And the guy said, oh, no, because he was behaving
38:19
strangely and he was following him around yelling.
38:21
But he called the police and he's like, I am confident that
38:24
that man was Dave Harbour from Stranger Things.
38:27
Yeah, right. And he was unhinged.
38:30
Well, not only there's a movie he that he's they've had
38:34
abruptly exits movie months into production, and that's just
38:37
yesterday. Yeah, I think he's having some,
38:39
some issues. And how many years gone?
38:43
Hopefully not. Hopefully.
38:45
Yeah, I believe. Yeah, they would.
38:46
Have a slash price on marital home.
38:48
Yeah, Lily Allen said. He was a cheater or not a nice
38:53
guy anyway. Whatever.
38:54
I don't. I don't know the specifics.
38:55
Yeah, not whatever. I don't mean to dismiss Lily
38:58
Allen's accusations. I'm saying I don't know about it
39:00
is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah.
39:03
No, I don't know about it either.
39:04
Anyway. But there's a we can listen to
39:06
if we want to hear about the intimate details of their
39:08
marriage. Yes, I heard that.
39:10
Yeah, I didn't hear the album. I heard that there was 1.
39:15
Hey vibes, check. How do we feel about Lily Allen?
39:20
First album, yeah, not bad breakthrough.
39:22
You know, first, first artist that that made it really on the
39:25
Internet before the radio. My friend got kicked out of Big
39:30
Day Out because he tried to rush her on stage and hug her.
39:34
And we were like, do you even like Leon?
39:37
He was like, Nah, I just seemed like a good idea at the time.
39:39
I was drunk, OK. I mean, a good idea.
39:42
Yeah, OK. He was ejected from the
39:45
festival. OK, now.
39:47
OK. And he's just lucky that's
39:49
probably it was back then and not now, and it wasn't all over
39:51
the Internet. Yes, yeah.
39:54
Oh, I think he might have enjoyed it if it was, to be
39:56
honest. I probably would have lost his
39:58
job at this stage like. Yeah, you.
40:04
You can't harass women. The the the Internet has
40:06
realized it's not cool to do that.
40:08
No, no, even Frank Langella can't get away with it.
40:11
Tries he might. That's just reminded me just
40:17
tangentially because of actors and actresses who are in the
40:19
same things, I've been watching Schitt's Creek.
40:22
Oh yeah, I have been meeting. I've, I mean, Hoy's watched it
40:25
twice through and I've heard bits.
40:26
It's good. Yeah.
40:27
It seems pretty good, yeah. Yeah, I've been laughing out
40:29
loud a bit. Like, watched it all, but I've
40:32
dropped in and out and yeah, no, that's a great show.
40:35
Yeah, it's good. We're talking to some friends
40:36
about it recently and I was like, yeah, I've watched that.
40:39
And Jenna said she tried once to watch it, couldn't get into it.
40:42
And then now we've kind of it's got momentum through the
40:44
barrier. Yeah, yeah.
40:46
Like it's got I've, I didn't know this obviously when I
40:50
started watching it, but then I noticed names and credits and
40:53
whatnot. It's got Eugene Levy, obviously
40:57
the the son in the show is his son, his son.
41:00
Right. And the waitress at the coffee
41:02
shop is his daughter. Yep.
41:04
Oh shit. So there it's the Levy family
41:06
production. Yeah, OK.
41:07
And I say, oh, OK, that's cool. I know what the son looks like,
41:10
but I don't know what the waitress looks like.
41:11
Let me just. I think it's a good thing to
41:14
watch all the way through because it actually has a good
41:17
ending. Yeah, right.
41:18
Like I. Mean.
41:19
It's very funny. They're all.
41:20
There's like scenes where. Yeah.
41:23
Right. Yeah, okay.
41:26
Oh yeah. Like I don't know if you've seen
41:27
the one where they make the enchiladas.
41:31
No, I don't. Have Moira decides she's going
41:33
to make her mum's on enchiladas as she.
41:37
When they just wrote her script, they'd basically just get the
41:40
the Thoris out and just try and just go through it and just make
41:44
the longest sentences possible, like the most outlandish words
41:48
explained to my minor things. Yeah.
41:50
So she's very funny. Yeah.
41:52
There's a scene where her and her son are trying to make
41:55
enchiladas, being these, like, rich people who don't know how
41:59
to cook. And it's very funny.
42:00
OK, just fold in the cheese. And he's like, what does that
42:02
mean? How do I just fold in the
42:05
cheese? If you say fold in the cheese
42:07
again, I'm going to leave. What does that mean?
42:11
That's good. Nice.
42:20
I did think of this earlier too. I don't know how to segue this
42:23
particularly well. James Cameron's back.
42:25
He's been on the Michael Bean podcast.
42:28
I didn't know Michael Bean had a podcast.
42:30
Sorry, Michael, but I listened to it podcast on the basis that
42:32
it was James Cameron and Michael Bean talking.
42:34
Yeah, yeah. Well, plus.
42:36
They know each other. Yes, and I learned this.
42:40
Michael Bean has apparently had some issues with his memory.
42:42
He's lost his memory or something.
42:44
He's shit. Oh.
42:45
Yeah, really. So they they talk about it
42:48
briefly, but yeah, it's it's a good listen.
42:51
It's like a couple of hours of just them chatting about stuff.
42:53
And he asks him some good questions.
42:55
In particular he asks him about. He just said, he says, oh man,
43:00
what do you think when they killed off Newton Hicks in Alien
43:04
3? And like, you know, just in a
43:06
way that they can, he can ask him that because.
43:08
Yeah. Only those two men could talk
43:09
about, yeah. Yeah, and then James Cameron is
43:12
like, oh, that's so fucking stupid.
43:14
Like they're just talking about it casually.
43:16
It was just, it was good. Listen, but I'm going to.
43:18
Listen to that for. Sure.
43:19
But yeah, so you said that. What's?
43:21
This podcast called Please Tell Me it's something like Bean and
43:23
Gone. It's it's fooling about with
43:29
Michael Bean or something like that.
43:30
I know it really is. Is the is the thumbnail just
43:34
that meme that's that still of Sarah Connor getting fucked?
43:40
That seems to be everywhere on the Internet right now.
43:42
It's not. It's because she's a Stranger
43:45
Things. I think I did see it.
43:46
There was a big discussion. On this Luke.
43:48
Reddit about whether. Go on the Internet.
43:50
That's that. That scene from the first
43:53
Terminator movie where she has sex with Reece.
43:56
Carl Reece. Yeah, there's this face that she
43:59
makes in one shot, and that's just a meme now and people are
44:03
just putting text on it. I think there was a discussion
44:06
on Reddit, I think about was is and or was Linda Hamilton
44:11
attractive and like people posting like his pictures for
44:15
Beauty and the Beast, his Terminator And like, and then
44:18
people are like, Oh yeah, she was.
44:19
But then in Terminator 20, my Dick shriveled right up inside
44:22
itself. And it's like, yeah, so I don't
44:26
know she because she's been in Stranger Things, right?
44:29
I think she's in the news again and people are like, who does
44:31
she? Makes sense, yeah.
44:32
OK. She did disappear for a long
44:34
time. I always thought she was great,
44:35
but I was never attracted to her.
44:36
But I didn't think that was the point.
44:38
Yeah, it's, yeah, I know because I've read this too.
44:40
I guess I'd never thought about it.
44:42
I mean, I love her, but like, I've never thought about it.
44:46
I think she is. I don't know.
44:49
I don't. It's just not the point.
44:52
I mean, it's kind of like, I don't care if she is or not.
44:54
Like, yeah, like if I was watching a man in a film.
44:57
John Connor's mum, who cares? So they talked about that, which
45:04
was cool. Yeah, he didn't like Alien 3,
45:06
but he also said that he likes David Fincher a lot and he was
45:09
he saying he had to deal with a lot of shit on that, so he gets.
45:12
So I give him credit for even getting as far as he did before
45:15
he left. Well, David Fincher.
45:16
No one hates that movie more than David Fincher.
45:18
That's yeah, exactly. And he's he's like, yeah, I like
45:21
him. But then he tells his great
45:23
story that I thought was great anyway about Arnold
45:26
Schwarzenegger. And so he said when they started
45:30
shooting Terminator, he was trying to get to know, you know,
45:34
he hadn't worked with Michael Bean before.
45:35
He hadn't worked with Annie before.
45:37
And he said to Annie, what's your process?
45:39
How do you like to do this kind of thing, blah, blah, blah.
45:40
And then Annie said to him, make no mistake, Jane, I'm not an
45:44
actor. I'm a movie star.
45:47
Do whatever you want. I love that.
45:52
That's great. He he fucking.
45:54
So self aware, yeah. He was, yeah, not interested.
45:57
I'm not going to be doing anything special.
46:00
Yeah, yeah. Put me where you want me in.
46:01
This isn't Shakespeare, you just make my muscles look good so
46:04
that I'm on the poster. Yes, yeah, I love that.
46:08
Like he's not pretentious. Yeah, about it, yeah.
46:12
Yeah. And then in tangential news, I
46:17
thought this was funny, James Wan was asked to be direct an
46:21
Avatar movie, and he said, sure, why not?
46:24
And apparently that's news. See, and that's just one of
46:27
those stupid questions that someone asks.
46:30
He's off. He's going to go no.
46:32
Yes, and because the headline says James one open to directing
46:36
Avatar four, I mean, I guess he did say that, but because you
46:40
you explicitly. Asked directly.
46:42
Avatar Four, he went. Yeah, I'll do it.
46:44
Yeah, I don't know exactly for the sake of this.
46:46
So, James. Gunn weighs in on fucking
46:48
Lillian and David Harbour, Right?
46:51
You heard about that? I have heard about.
46:53
That yeah, yeah, yeah, don't give a shit.
46:56
Man, James Gunn heard about it. Yeah, that's.
47:00
Right. Anyway, just made me laugh.
47:01
We talked last week about was Avatar any good or was it just
47:07
good in 3D? Yes.
47:09
I did some homework, or at least I tried to do some homework.
47:13
I popped this on for me personally, and I didn't like
47:18
that much the first time. I couldn't watch this without
47:22
the 3D. It's just extremely flat looking
47:27
bad, just awful photography. It's like clearly meant to be in
47:32
3D. Like I don't think it can be
47:34
watched. Not in three.
47:36
DI had to turn it off because it's the gimmick of 3D and I
47:39
knew I'm using the gimmick, the word gimmick, like with as much
47:43
pleasantness as I can. I'm not knocking it, but like
47:46
the gimmick of 3D is part of the DNA of this movie.
47:50
I think only for the first one though.
47:52
For like the third one, you can watch this one not in 3D and.
47:58
On that note, something interesting he said that I
48:00
hadn't thought about this. And I mean, obviously this is
48:02
true, but I just hadn't thought about it.
48:03
It's because you know the way they do the movies, right?
48:05
All of the Avatar movies, they don't film.
48:08
Yeah, it's motion capture. Most of it.
48:10
Like there's humans and they do film some stuff, but generally
48:13
it's motion capture. And he talks about how
48:18
specifically about how it allows them to focus on the performance
48:24
because he does all the cinematography and everything is
48:26
done later and they have complete control over it.
48:28
So it's just interesting that you say it's just, it's like
48:31
uninteresting because it's like they could have done literally
48:34
anything and it. Yeah, but I guess it's like it
48:39
was so reliant on the 3D as a storytelling tool.
48:43
Sure, that once you took that away, it just doesn't work in
48:46
both dimensions. The 2nd and 3rd dimension, it
48:49
only, it only works in that third plus.
48:52
Man, I don't know. I just maybe it's just me.
48:55
I just Sam Worthington does not work for me.
48:57
He does not work for me. He refuses to work for you.
49:00
Yeah, he will not work for me. Well, even the thing about you
49:04
don't really need to really worry about because you don't
49:07
really see him in the sequels like anyway, he's just.
49:10
He's always that that he's always easy.
49:13
Yeah, well, sure, but it's still his performance.
49:15
Yeah, but they can do what they want.
49:19
I guess face, I guess they could.
49:23
He's pretty clear that that that they don't do that because he he
49:26
took, he has his whole big rant about how he thinks it's, it's
49:29
terrible that they're not recognised for Academy Awards
49:32
are based on their performances in Avatar, because he thinks
49:35
that performance is really good. I mean, the reason you haven't
49:37
got one is mocap because is not because mocap is not allowed.
49:40
That's. No, no, he thinks it is.
49:46
And Michael B agrees with him because, you know, he's they're
49:49
friends, so. I need to ask this so there's a
49:54
new National Lampoon movie announced.
49:56
Yeah. What?
49:59
National Lampoon's What is it called?
50:03
It does say and it tells you who's in it.
50:06
National Lampoon's Hollywood Hustle Hollywood Hustle and it
50:10
stars Mickey Rourke, Alec Baldwin, Nick Cannon, Tara Reid,
50:14
Danny Trejo, Till Schwager, Carrot Top and Patrick
50:19
Warburton. What?
50:22
What? Wow, what kind of movie is this
50:24
going to? Be.
50:26
Working together, the two must navigate chaotic Los Angeles
50:30
after someone steals the production's money.
50:36
Tara Reid, I haven't, yeah, heard of her in anything since
50:39
Sharknado. Last time I saw her in was Rhode
50:42
Island Comic Con. Yeah, when I said hi, didn't.
50:47
She get her talk taken out of a casino in a in a wheelchair
50:51
recently for getting spiked at the bar.
50:54
Oh, Jesus. Oh God.
50:56
Or is it somebody else? Am I mixing up people?
50:59
Yeah, I don't know. That's not good, though.
51:01
Look, your mum is currently at a concert of a music actually be
51:06
carried. Out of Ordina.
51:07
Youngblood. One word I don't.
51:09
Know. Oh, she Youngblood.
51:11
Yeah. Do you know who that is?
51:12
Yeah. I know who Youngblood is.
51:14
I don't know who that is, but Carol's there right now.
51:18
She's. Just signed in.
51:21
Nice, I like youngblood. Oh, do you?
51:24
I don't know who they are. I don't know where my mother is.
51:27
I know where your mother is. She's a.
51:28
He's a cute Oscarina singer. He's cool.
51:31
Oh. OK, OK.
51:36
Because he's blood young. It's pretty, it's fair.
51:39
It's not. It's.
51:39
Spell guy style Luke. You might not find it if you're
51:42
just typing it in. No, no.
51:43
Google worked. Google worked it out there.
51:44
Google was like I know it. Translated from Old Man.
51:48
He did a song. From 5 seconds of summer, I
51:52
don't. Know what that is?
51:53
Either. Hold on, can refer to English
51:59
musician Youngblog, the hit song Youngblog by 5 seconds.
52:01
Oh no no, sorry, that was a song by 5 seconds or something.
52:06
I still don't know any of. I don't think I'm going to go
52:08
see Youngblog. No, because you haven't got
52:11
time, mate. Your mum's there right now.
52:12
She's. There not going to make it right
52:14
now if we could just rag on pop music for a second.
52:17
I just think it's 2 two things occurred to me this week. 1 my
52:21
daughter said to me, dad, are most songs Taylor Swift songs
52:26
and because anywhere we go, that's just what.
52:32
That's all you're listening to. Right.
52:34
No, no, that's not what you're listening, but it's just that's
52:36
just if you talk to the radio now, if you go to a mall, that's
52:40
they're the songs and she's like a most song table.
52:44
And I said, yeah, I guess they are.
52:46
I guess they are. And the other thing that.
52:49
Just by the same person. Well, that's my other thing,
52:52
right? You can tell now, And I'm not
52:55
saying singers have to be songwriters.
52:58
That's my personal preference, that they tend to be.
53:01
But yeah, but they're not. I'm very aware that that's not
53:03
the case for for most artists these days.
53:06
Right. But here's the thing.
53:08
You got to sing the song the way that the songwriter intended it
53:10
to be sung, right? Because when I hear a rhyme
53:14
sequence that's like, like, train.
53:20
And then again, it's like, no, no, no, no.
53:23
It's meant to be a game because that's what rhymes.
53:26
Just because you say it different doesn't mean you can
53:28
UN rhyme it When you sing the song like that really gets me
53:31
because it just takes me like well you didn't write this and
53:33
you don't understand it. We've been listening.
53:39
Pop songs are all written by the same group of people these days.
53:41
Isn't it? Oh yeah.
53:42
That's yeah, it's just. Yeah.
53:45
You'll sing this one. You'll sing this one.
53:46
There's a handful of songwriters and they'll sometimes they get
53:49
together and. Yeah, a lot of them are the
53:50
producers who just get. Yeah.
53:52
Singers in and go yeah, your next song is this or pick from
53:55
these. Yeah, we've been listening to a
53:57
lot of the Frozen 2 soundtrack because I have now seen Frozen 2
54:02
and I think we've talked about this before.
54:03
No. Which is good, actually, Yeah.
54:05
Very good, right? Yeah, I liked it.
54:08
But yes, there's been over New Year.
54:12
Lira kept kind of wondering in the house, going to the point
54:18
where Joseph was like, is there any other parts to that song
54:24
that we can encourage her to move on to?
54:25
There's other. Songs, yeah.
54:28
But yeah, that's a that's a good movie.
54:30
Yeah, it is. It really is better than the
54:32
first one in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, I would agree.
54:36
And yes, yeah, some of the songs in it are good, yeah.
54:39
And it's nice to be listening to songs that are not the Frozen
54:43
songs. They're Frozen 2 songs.
54:45
Frozen adjacent, but they're. We've done slightly, yeah.
54:50
The funny thing is, you know, in this is not a spoiler in in in
54:53
the end of Frozen one, they give Olaf a little cloud above him a
55:00
flurry to keep him cool. And in the sequel, they're like,
55:04
fuck that. We're not drawing a cloud in
55:06
every scene he's in. No, he gets, so he's got a.
55:08
Permafrost, Right? So and and it's a throwaway line
55:11
at the one. The first time someone sees him,
55:12
they go, hey, Olaf, how's the permafrost?
55:14
And he goes, great. And then they never address it
55:16
again, right. Yeah.
55:17
But in between those two movies, tons of short films were made
55:21
and music videos and all sorts of stuff we've been watching.
55:23
And he's always got the flurry, like, and they have to work it
55:27
in to the story why he's inside with a little flurry.
55:30
And I think it's funny. Yeah.
55:34
But yeah, that was, I was, yeah, I was like, why is this out?
55:37
Permafrost got it. Fine, move on.
55:41
Yeah, yeah, I liked it. OK, I'm probably not going to
55:50
watch it. To be honest, I don't.
55:52
Know why you would? Would you watch this, Luke?
55:54
This week I watched Ricky Gervais's Mortality, the newest
55:59
Netflix special. So I've heard mixed things about
56:04
this. So the second to last one,
56:06
whichever one that came out a couple of years ago, which was
56:09
just basically him telling people not to be woke and
56:13
telling people that trans women aren't real women.
56:15
I thought to myself, oh, you've lost it, mate.
56:17
Like you've really you've leaned too far into the grumpy old man.
56:21
Saying things now you're not. These aren't jokes, you're just
56:24
telling people what you think. This one is back to form.
56:28
It is very cynical. Like is like like.
56:33
It's the same level of cynical as as the last show, but they're
56:36
actually jokes now. And they're quite.
56:38
Funny. And yeah, I mean, you know,
56:45
there's one bit that he was like, he's like, I hate racists
56:47
and I hate pedophiles and a racist pedophile would just be
56:49
the worst. If I met a racist pedophile I
56:51
would just say to him fuck the black ones too.
56:59
So yeah, they're jokes. Whether you like the jokes or
57:04
not, that's up to you. They're at least they're jokes.
57:06
It's not just him or Anthony. Yeah.
57:08
Right. Yeah, exactly.
57:10
Now, which I saw it was on yeah, people on Reddit mostly were
57:15
like mixed on it, but you know. Yeah, that's fine.
57:19
It definitely will be. I mean, if you liked anything he
57:22
did, you'll probably like this. If you didn't like anything he's
57:26
ever done, don't watch this. You definitely won't like this
57:29
one. No, I like, I've liked a lot
57:31
that he's done so. I've liked almost all.
57:35
I didn't like that one special from last year or whenever it
57:38
was and I don't know, maybe. I haven't even seen that one.
57:41
I don't remember it, but then I remember there was controversy
57:45
about it because of it. Was just, it was just very mean
57:48
spirited, you know? Right.
57:52
Yeah, it was like his. It was like his Golden Globes
57:55
intros, except instead of being about celebrities, they were
57:57
about just average people. Punching way down.
57:59
Yeah, punching. Way down.
58:02
I didn't, I didn't. I couldn't get into that show.
58:04
Where is it called Derek where he plays a special needs?
58:07
Well, I've never watched Derek. I liked Afterlife.
58:10
I've never watched Derek though. Afterlife was very good, yeah.
58:13
Derek wasn't too bad. Was that Yeah, I thought I was
58:16
going to hate it put. But it put me off that Karl
58:19
Pilkington was in it, right? Yeah.
58:22
I don't know because. Now you know he's an actor, not
58:24
a character. Yeah, yes, yeah.
58:27
It ruined that illusion for you. Well, let's see, I'm still
58:30
unclear on oh. I think he is still.
58:34
Because it was their producer. But right, he's bung bunging it
58:37
on. Obviously that's how they met
58:39
and I think if you listen to those XFM shows in order, you
58:42
hear the escalation of, yeah, his stupidity using his, the
58:47
dumb shit that he says to their advantage.
58:50
Yeah. But I also I used to think that
58:55
Ricky and. Steve.
58:59
Steve were like best mates in real life and and apparently
59:02
they're like, Nah, we're just colleagues, we don't see each
59:05
other outside. We don't even like each other
59:07
anymore. I don't think very much.
59:09
Doesn't sound like they do seem much together anymore, do you?
59:12
Not at all. I, I, I, I don't know if they
59:14
had a falling out or whether they just don't want to do stuff
59:17
together anymore, but that's how it is.
59:20
Yeah, yeah. Steve Merchant's doing.
59:24
He's like directing, writing, directing films and stuff.
59:26
Now he's doing his own on his own.
59:27
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Power to.
59:29
Being in stuff. Speaking of being in stuff, I'm
59:34
going to be in the after party. Are you guys going to be in the
59:36
after party? I'll be there.
59:37
I'll definitely. Going to be there.
59:38
Yeah, OK. Well.
59:39
Steve, what else watches? Will you be there?
59:41
You will let us know. Patreon.com/modelorgasm.
59:47
Yeah. Not giving it all away for free.
59:51
5 bucks. 5 bucks a month gets you the after party.
59:54
You get all the after parties when you join.
59:56
You get the old ones too. Not like these scummy other
59:59
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1:00:11
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1:00:14
We've got a short list of dead people for Luke to judge.
1:00:17
Well, I know one of the names. There we go.
1:00:21
It's a miracle. Rare.
1:00:23
And we've got we've got some other news we'll talk about.
1:00:29
Yeah, got some getting bashed at Disney news that I was going to
1:00:35
bring up. I want to hear the wrong person.
1:00:38
Got bashed I think. We'll see.
1:00:41
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