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Report: Two Ohio State Veterans Taking Redshirt Seasons · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning for Tuesday, October seventh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: Today's show going to be touching on something that I
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  Speaker 1: kind of mentioned on yesterday's show but wanted to go
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  Speaker 1: into a little more detail about, and that is the
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  Speaker 1: news that two guys who were sort of projected as
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  Speaker 1: at least contributors and maybe even potential starters during the
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  Speaker 1: summer are now going to apparently be redshirting. That's according
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  Speaker 1: to a report from Stephen Means of Cleveland dot com.
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  Speaker 1: I'm joined by Tony Gerderman of Buckey Huddle dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Tony CJ. Hicks and Malik Hartford both apparently going to
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  Speaker 1: be redshirting. Now. Now that does not mean they're transferring,
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  Speaker 1: That does not mean that we have seen the last
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  Speaker 1: of them in scarlett and gray. But still kind of
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  Speaker 1: an interesting move for both of those guys. It is.
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  Speaker 2: And I was on with the Juck on Buckehead a
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  Speaker 2: primetime last Monday, and I made mention of the fact
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  Speaker 2: that we're now to the four game point of the season,
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  Speaker 2: so there could be some movement in terms of players
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  Speaker 2: choosing to red shirt or opt out or whatever, and
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  Speaker 2: not thinking too much of it, just the fact that
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  Speaker 2: the calendar had reached that point. But seeing these two names,
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  Speaker 2: it's interesting in that I can understand it for both guys.
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  Speaker 2: It's also interesting in that I can let me ask you, Tom,
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  Speaker 2: which one of these are more do you think the
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  Speaker 2: coaches are more okay with?
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  Speaker 1: I would say just based on the fact that, well,
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  Speaker 1: that's an interesting question because there's two different ways to
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  Speaker 1: look at. One is that Malie Hartford only played in
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  Speaker 1: two games, so in terms of direct impact on this
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  Speaker 1: year's team, probably that's a little bit less of an impact. CJ.
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  Speaker 1: Hicks had played in the first four game games to
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  Speaker 1: varying degrees. He had nineteen snaps against Texas and then
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  Speaker 1: five against Washington. But you also, in both cases are
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  Speaker 1: potentially you know, if CJ. Hicks comes back for next
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  Speaker 1: year and you know plays as a Buckeye. There are
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  Speaker 1: gonna be spots where they are going to have to
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  Speaker 1: you know, there are gonna be snaps they have to
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  Speaker 1: fill at the defensive end position, and then you figure
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Down's leave, so you're going to need to fill
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  Speaker 1: spots at the safety position. So you know, I can
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  Speaker 1: see arguments for both of these guys in terms of
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  Speaker 1: here's why. Yes, I understand why this makes sense for
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  Speaker 1: the players, but you also can kind of see why
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense for the team.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think yes, if both guys come back,
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  Speaker 2: the team is happy with that. I do think that
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  Speaker 2: it makes them thinner in the secondary, then it does
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  Speaker 2: at defensive end. So I think that creates an issue
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  Speaker 2: where now are you relying on a freshman like Vahem
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  Speaker 2: Delane or retch your freshman like Lee Roy Roker step
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  Speaker 2: in for Malie Cartford, where this guy is a junior
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  Speaker 2: who has experience, is understands what you're trying to do,
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  Speaker 2: So there's that aspect of it. Or does this now
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  Speaker 2: you know, is this something that Lorenzo Styles, if needed,
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  Speaker 2: could do and they can move some pieces around. We
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  Speaker 2: know that, So I just think the experience that he
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  Speaker 2: brings at that position at safety makes this a bigger
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  Speaker 2: loss there if they if they can get CJ. Hicks
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  Speaker 2: to spend a year at defensive end and then come
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  Speaker 2: back and play defensive end, fantastic. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: we want to get into speculating, but at this point,
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  Speaker 2: he's been a defensive end for a little bit, has
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  Speaker 2: played a little bit, not enough of you know, not
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  Speaker 2: enough of a sample size to say this guy needs
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  Speaker 2: to come back next year, or this guy's definitely coming
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  Speaker 2: back next year. But he is an interesting prospect, and
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  Speaker 2: you in this day and age, it's like, what does
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  Speaker 2: an interesting prospect command on the open market? And would
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State be interested in matching that open market?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's a whole separate conversation because you know,
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  Speaker 1: what does he have in terms of film that another
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  Speaker 1: team would be looking at and saying, oh, yeah, this
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  Speaker 1: is you know, this is someone who you're going to
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  Speaker 1: bring in and guarantee a starting spot too, or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. I don't, you know, I don't know. One
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  Speaker 1: of the other interesting pieces of the malikue Hartford thing
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  Speaker 1: is he's only played in two games, so theoretically, if
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  Speaker 1: they needed him, if someone got seriously hurt and you
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  Speaker 1: needed him to fill in and take more snaps. He's
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  Speaker 1: got two more games where he could then still potentially
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  Speaker 1: red shirt if you needed, you know, if you needed
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  Speaker 1: him to step in in that role. One other piece
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  Speaker 1: of this that I think you know we talked about,
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  Speaker 1: this does not mean that you have seen the last
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  Speaker 1: of either of these guys in an Ohio State uniform.
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  Speaker 1: Is the the four game red shirt rule. That's just
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  Speaker 1: the regular scene. So you could theoretically see both of
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  Speaker 1: these guys play five more games. You could theoretically see
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  Speaker 1: Malie Cardford play seven more games, two more regular season
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  Speaker 1: and then a Big Ten championship game and then potentially
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  Speaker 1: up to for college football playoff games. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: these are both guys who I would expect. Will you
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  Speaker 1: will continue to see around the program certainly, and you
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  Speaker 1: know this is this is I'm sure and people will
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  Speaker 1: hear this and think they're opting out, and no, that's
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  Speaker 1: not at all what this necessarily means.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Although we'll see if there's an opportunity for Millie
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  Speaker 2: card For to get a couple more regular season games,
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  Speaker 2: there's no reason for him not to play in those.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you'd save them for like Michigan and then you
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  Speaker 2: know whatever is the next most important, biggest game before Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: and then Michigan if needed. We saw Jonathan Cooper do
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  Speaker 2: that before. The example that I like to use is
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  Speaker 2: the fact that both Aaron Scott and Bryce West played
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  Speaker 2: seven games last year, but Bryce West redshirted because four
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  Speaker 2: of his games came in the postseason and four or
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  Speaker 2: five of Aaron Scott's games came into regular season. So
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  Speaker 2: you can still get plenty of work in from these
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  Speaker 2: guys and enough to help them out, to help the
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  Speaker 2: Buckeyes out and be part of this, and it'll just
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  Speaker 2: be interesting to see what happens the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: regular season with Millie Cartford.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's definitely something where you can have the
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  Speaker 1: you know what they say, what are they going to do?
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  Speaker 1: You know, you watch watch what they do, not listen
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  Speaker 1: to what they say kind of thing that that will
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  Speaker 1: be sort of instructive, I think in terms of do
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  Speaker 1: you see him again for another couple of games or not.
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  Speaker 1: Now the next question is, Okay, who does this mean
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  Speaker 1: more playing time for? I think we kind of got
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  Speaker 1: a hint for the on the defensive line side of things,
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  Speaker 1: where Kenyatta Jackson went down with an injury and all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudd and you saw a bunch more as
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  Speaker 1: Ion Grady on Saturday Night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Zion Grady with ten snaps, and he's the guy
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  Speaker 2: that has you know, you don't see him much, but
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  Speaker 2: he's kind of flashed when he's been out there. This
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  Speaker 2: is a really good opportunity for him. You know, he's
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  Speaker 2: played three games at this point, so it doesn't sound
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  Speaker 2: like they're interested in red shirting him. Another guy to
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  Speaker 2: watch the EPI Saitanola, who has also played three games,
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  Speaker 2: so they each have one more regular season game that
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  Speaker 2: they can play. We've seen Logan George start to come
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  Speaker 2: back a little bit. He's played in a couple of games,
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  Speaker 2: did not play against Washington, So right now they're still
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  Speaker 2: picking and choosing when to play him, which gives you
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  Speaker 2: an idea of he's still a little bit behind the others.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm with you, Zion Grady. We'll see if
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  Speaker 2: Joshua Mickens can get in there more as well. I
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  Speaker 2: think Grady has the higher upside for sure, as he's
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  Speaker 2: just a true freshman and he's already getting a couple
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  Speaker 2: more snaps than Mickens at this point. And then you know,
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  Speaker 2: at some point what we see one of the young
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  Speaker 2: linebackers doing the RVL Reese thing as he's playing on
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  Speaker 2: the edge and taking some of those snaps as well
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  Speaker 2: when they're in that five man alignment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that they're doing some really creative stuff up front
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  Speaker 1: on defense. That's gonna be something I'm going to be
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