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Movie Exchange #2: Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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  - Hello, and welcome to the Pop cCulture Junkie podcast.
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  I'm Olivia.
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  Here, as always, with my fellow Junkie.
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  - Shauna.
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  - So, Shauna, how about how have we been?
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  How are we living life?
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  - How are we living life?
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  You know, day to day,
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  putting my pants on one leg at a time.
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  - Oh, you don't jump in.
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  - No, I'm not coordinated enough for that.
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  - I think 37.
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  - I think at this time, I would like eat shit
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  and like hit the bed.
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  - Hopefully the bed.
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  - I've done that before.
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  - You just put your pants on the ground.
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  It is hopped perfectly into them.
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  - And when I was younger, for sure.
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  Probably because someone said,
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  "Put my legs in one leg at a time."
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  You know?
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  - I'm not like other girls.
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  I put on my pants, different, special.
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  (laughing)
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  - I jump right in and see the day.
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  - Carphing.
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  - Oh, Jesus Christ.
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  - I think I--
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  - I've got to have the will to live.
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  - I know, like a carpe Diem, Jesus Christ.
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  (laughing)
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  - Back when I was a measly five years old
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  and still had a goose stuff alive.
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  - Yeah, there you go.
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  - Maybe when I was a baby,
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  I could just leap into my pants at one jump.
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  (laughing)
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  Anyway, how have you been?
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  - I'm a gut.
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  It is like better, really rare moment in time
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  where it's actually like 70 degrees consistently
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  in San Francisco.
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  And one thing about living in a city
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  where it is not always sunny and nice is
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  there is just a sense of whimsy when you go outside
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  and everyone is outside one
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  because none of the places here have air conditioning.
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  So like, you gotta be outside.
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  Just in general, you can't be in your house,
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  but everyone is just like so stoked.
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  And trying to be at a park.
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  - I'm so jealous of every time you send
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  like a video or a picture and you're just
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  walking the streets with a drink in the hand
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  and there's just like a gay parade or a gay race
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  or a gay concert or a gay Jesus.
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  - Like,
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  (laughing)
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  - I wanna do all of those things.
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  - If you do not follow me on Instagram,
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  you probably missed it,
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  but I went to this race in San Francisco.
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  It is called Bay to Breakers.
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  And it's either like a marathon or like a 10K.
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  I don't know, it's not the point.
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  - It is the point.
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  - That's not the point.
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  So it has become this thing where it ends along
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  the Panhandle and At Ocean Beach.
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  So it's right by Golden Gate Park.
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  And every year, the runners dress up
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  in like these crazy costumes.
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  It's become like a whole thing.
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  And everybody dresses like in really odd,
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  clothing and stuff like that.
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  There's a group of runners every single year
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  who dress up as salmon and they run
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  the opposite way of the race.
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  So it's just like a silly, silly goofy thing
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  inside the city. - That is so funny.
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  - You weren't responding to the group chat like all day.
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  And I was like, what is she doing?
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  And I looked at your instance.
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  Like she said a gay foot race.
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  (laughing)
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  Oh, okay.
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  The gays are running for fun.
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  And so all of the houses along the Panhandle,
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  they turn their stoops into like little mini like DJ sets
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  as well.
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  So I had a friend who was DJing.
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  So we went, like, and I rode bikes like two miles
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  to get to the same room in the morning.
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  And then we,
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  - You rode your bicycles to a stoop party.
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  - Oh my god.
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  - Now life is looking up.
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  And Sean already knows this, but today I got my birthday present
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  in the mail from my mom and it was a dog backpack
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  so that now Ziggy can come on our bike rides
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  and have a grand old time with us.
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  It was so cute.
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  - I can't decide though.
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  Like in his photograph,
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  he looks both intrigued and also petrified.
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  - Is it a little bit of both?
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  - I think that's Ziggy's face.
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  - I think that's Ziggy's face.
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  (laughing)
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  - It's a little cash Patel.
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  - Yeah, he's giving cash Patel for sure.
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  He's giving cash Patel.
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  Yeah, no, we'll see how he does
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  'cause after we're done recording,
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  I'm gonna go ride my bike with Ziggy in the back pack.
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  - Oh my god.
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  - So it's gonna be a Easter.
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  - It's gonna be fun.
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  - Yeah, damn, it's an e-bike.
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  So I don't know if I'm a hipster.
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  I feel like a hipster would say that's like settling out.
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  Maybe I'm just going full tech bro.
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  - I have an e-bike.
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  Well Andrew has an e-bike.
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  But I've never, like, are an e-bike.
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  - I've never done it.
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  - It's an e-bike.
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  - It's an e-bike.
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  I've never controlled it.
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  I've always been in the little seat in the back.
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  Like, he always rides it and then he's got a little seat.
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  - Is it a little bike?
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  - No, really.
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  - It just has a e-bike.
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  - He bought me a little like cushion seat.
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  And whenever, and I like wrap my arms around him.
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  And I look like Yoda looks back.
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  - You know, it's like you have a Ziggy backpack.
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  - Yeah, I'm in his little shawner.
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  I'm a little shawner inside of the backpack instead of Ziggy.
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  - So I've never actually done any peddling.
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  - Okay.
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  Okay.
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  You can imagine that it's just like riding or controlling another bike.
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  But this time you get a little boost every time you pedal.
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  - It's quite nice.
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  - It's a zip-slipp.
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  - Yeah, sometimes I'm like, oh, should we not use the electric
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  bikes, get like a good little workout in and we're like,
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  absolutely not.
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  - And definitely.
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  - We're going up San Francisco to Olslai.
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  - That's insane.
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  - But people do that all the time.
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  And like, and I have a, one of the steepest streets
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  of my neighborhood in all of the city.
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  And I see people just riding their bike up that thing.
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  - No, that's insane.
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  - That's insane at all.
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  And I'm like, this is why you're better than me, you know?
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  - Fabulous buns and thighs everywhere in your neighborhood.
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  Those asses are just out of control.
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  Cause that hill is steep.
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  - We're walking it like drunk home from the bar one night.
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  - Yeah.
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  - That's not even the steepest one.
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  That's right, when I'm talking about that one's just crazy.
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  - Oh my god.
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  - But yeah, absolutely.
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  It is crazy.
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  What's funny though is I wouldn't say I'm like,
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  great asses in San Francisco.
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  They probably exist.
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  But everybody just wears really baggy clothing.
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  So I guess I don't know.
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  - That's kind of like the Ginzy thing now.
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  Like we're not, I don't know, everyone wears baggy jeans.
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  I went to Levi's last week.
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  Cause I was like, I want some new jeans.
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  All I ever skinny jeans.
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  Yeah.
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  And I, there were like low rise extra baggy.
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  And I was like, I can't do it.
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  I got like a boot cut, like straight leg situation.
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  Cause I feel like those will always be in style, right?
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  Just like as 501 Levi's.
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  - Yeah, boot cut.
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  But like no, I got a pair of low rise jeans at this rift store.
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  I don't think I ever set you the picture.
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  I got a pair of Calvin Klein jeans
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  that were high-rise skinny and they were cute.
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  But then I got a pair of lucky brand jeans.
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  And I couldn't tell they were low rise
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  until I got them home and put them on.
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  And I was like, yeah.
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  - How big was the crotch?
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  - I mean, not as low as like we used to wear,
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  but too low for my millennial body.
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  Like, if I still had the abs that I did,
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  back when low rise jeans were a thing.
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  But say, Lavi, one leg at a time, am I right?
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  (laughing)
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  - Yeah, there's no jumping into those bad vibes.
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  - We are really.
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  - We started with pants and made it back to pants.
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  - Yeah.
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  Everything comes back to pants in the end.
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  - It's, everything is circular as one would say.
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  - So yeah, a few weeks ago,
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  Shana shared her favorite movie,
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  The Furventada with me.
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  And I'm here to return the favor by making her watch
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  one of my favorite movies,
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  "A Turn'al Sunshine of the Spalas Mind."
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  I love this movie so much.
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  I think if you were to ask me like,
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  okay, what type of movie do you really enjoy?
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  I love like, simply put a mind fuck of a movie.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I like it whenever 30 minutes in,
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  you were like asking yourself like,
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  I have no idea what is going on.
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  (laughing)
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  At this exact moment, are they here?
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  Are they there?
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  Am I supposed to understand what's happening?
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  - So you like a non-linear kind of movie.
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  We're kind of hop-sol over the place a little bit.
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  But make sense in the end.
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  - Yeah.
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  - One of the movies that I really love,
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  super, super fucked up to love this movie,
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  Butterfly Effect.
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  Really great.
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  You don't really understand what's going on.
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  Things are jumping around.
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  - Yeah, I love it.
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  Don't let me air a timeline.
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  In a movie, I also think that just in general,
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  like something that is really gonna leave you thinking
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  about it for days, sometimes even years on end.
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  And just really gets into the psyche.
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  Like I think in our,
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  I mean, this movie came out in 2004.
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  Back then, not as much of the problem now,
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  but we're in such an attention economy
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  that I think when a movie can really just grab you,
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  we're like, oh, I can't look away.
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  I need to really stay watching.
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  I also'm gonna miss something like generally great.
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  Also, I think this is such an iconic movie in general.
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  We're gonna talk about it at length,
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  but to show you what was your experience prior to this
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  with Eternal Sunshine and the Spice One?
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  - I haven't seen it since it came out in 2004.
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  Okay.
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  Or maybe like, I rented it from Blockbuster.
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  - Oh shit, that's how you know it's vintage.
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  - Yeah.
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  And I love this movie too.
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  I think Jim Carey is so hot in this movie.
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  - Oh my God, we try not to talk about movies too much before,
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  like we record, so you guys can really get our authentic thoughts.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So Allshonna sends me is,
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  oh my God, Jim Carey is so hot in this movie.
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  (laughs)
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  - I can't think Jim Carey is just hot anyway.
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  Like the first Sonic-- - Yeah, maybe not right now.
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  - Yeah, that's true.
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  - The first Sonic the Hedgehog movie?
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  Hot.
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  Hot.
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  - Okay, please.
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  - He plays the bad guy in Sonic.
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  Oh my God, I can't remember his name right now.
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  And he's ridiculous looking in the second and third movie,
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  but the first one?
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  Hot.
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  - Oh, I might--
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  - I'm probably very alone in this.
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  - Okay, it's the one that you're talking about
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  where is the Curly Little Hipster mustache?
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  - Yeah, not the Dr. Robotnik.
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  Not with the stupid, huge one that he has in the cartoon.
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  - But like the little hipster stash and I'm like,
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  yeah. - Okay, yeah.
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  - I see it.
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  - I see it.
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  - Thank you, thank you.
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  - The one where he's got the really big one,
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  I don't see it, but yeah.
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  - No, no, don't see that one.
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  - I love Kate Winslet.
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  I mean, I was such a Titanic fan girl growing up
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  and then seeing her in such a different role
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  from being in Titanic.
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  - Okay, yes.
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  - I feel like this movie was a step away
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  for all of the actors from like what they were kind of
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  typecast as, what we were used to seeing them in.
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  Like Elijah Wood was right in Lord of the Rings time then
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  and I am a huge Lord of the Rings.
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  - So I think this was actually his first movie,
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  post Lord of the Rings.
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  - Yeah, and seeing him be douchey,
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  I was like, "Frodo, what? No!"
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  (laughs)
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  - "Frodo, what are you doing to me?"
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  - I know.
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  - Yeah, so what's really, really interesting is Jim Carey
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  had really just been kind of coming off of Ace Ventura,
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  the mask, he had already done the Truman show.
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  So like the Truman show was really kind of this foyer
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  into him taking more serious roles.
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  I do think they're both kind of really interesting things
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  to consider and stepping away from comedy.
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  But Kate Winslet as well took this movie
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  because she was trying to get out of being typecast
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  as the period drama girl.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So I do think it's really, really interesting
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  out of all the actresses out there,
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  like Kirsten Dunst never misses.
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  - Oh, her entire movie career.
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  - Is just straight iconic films.
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  - Yes, I think it's really, really interesting
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  that she did this movie, Mark Ruffalo,
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  as well, just such an all star cast.
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  - I forgot that Mark Ruffalo was in this movie,
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  like 'cause I haven't seen it in, gosh,
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  what, 22 years Jesus.
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  - Oh, that hurts me.
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  - That hurts me.
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  - It's just a little bit.
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  - So when I saw his name pop up in the opening credits,
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  I was like, "Oh yeah, Mark Ruffalo is in this."
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  - I was like, "Ah, my guy."
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  - I've been saying since you said
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  you wanted to watch this movie
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  that I had to bring this up this episode.
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  One of my favorite bands of all time,
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  and one of your favorite bands I know, Circa Survive,
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  their debut album, "Jutana" is based on
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  "A Turnal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind."
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  So apparently if you listen to "Jutana"
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  at the exact same time as you start the movie,
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  it like coincides perfectly in lines up with the movie.
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  - Oh wow. - And we should have done it.
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  - I know, they have a song called "Meet Me in Montauk."
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  Like that's like the closing song on the record.
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  Yeah, so definitely give that album a listen again,
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  if you have it, and like there's so many things
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  that it little references to the movie that...
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  - Yeah, I'm gonna have to do a re-listen there.
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  - Yeah.
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  - So yeah, I mean, like it's a 2004, like emo kid,
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  art, broke culture, like movie.
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  It is just ultimately like such a cult classic.
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  So it's directed by Michael Gondry,
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  and it's written by Charlie Kaufman and Michael Gondry
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  and Pierre Bismuth.
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  And Michael Gondry is actually really interesting.
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  He is from a theater background,
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  and if you listen to like most of our episodes,
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  "Shana" and I are very big fans of movies
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  with practical effects.
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  And Michael Gondry actually is so anti-CGI
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  or editing things like that.
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  He really likes in his productions.
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  So when you see moments within this movie
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  of the characters almost like faded out in the background
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  to imply like your memory doesn't remember every detail,
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  those are actors behind a screen.
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  - Oh, that's all in camera effects.
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  - Yes, yeah, those are all in camera effects.
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  And so there's a moment where Jim Carrey
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  begins the process of having his mind erase.
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  And Kate Winslet is running through their apartment.
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  And that is not editing.
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  That is actually Kate Winslet running into the bathroom,
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  going out a trap door,
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  and then moving into another part of the apartment.
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  And what's interesting is they talk about
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  how intense Michael Gondry is as a director.
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  And things like that.
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  So it is very, very interesting to know those things
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  and rewatch it.
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  We were like, we only call of CGI
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  is when the car like drops.
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  - Yeah. - And you know,
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  like everything's, yeah, you know,
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  they didn't actually drop a car.
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  - Did they lay on the ice?
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  - Yeah.
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  - So they're actually on the ice
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  and it was actually broken next to them.
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  - Oh, that's hilarious.
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  That's amazing.
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  - I feel like we just jumped straight in.
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  So if you can see the turbo sunshine of the spotless mind,
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  it is a movie where Jim Carrey and Kate Winslet
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  are in a relationship with Joel,
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  bearish and Clementine.
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  And it is a movie about a couple
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  whose relationship turned sour
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  and a couple undergoes a medical procedure
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  to have each other erased from their memories forever.
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  - Yes.
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  - Well, Clementine does it first
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  and then Joel kind of stumbles upon
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  the fact that she did this,
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  which I think is such an important thing to think about.
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  He goes to the bookstore to visit her
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  to try to make up with her and realizes
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  she doesn't know who he is
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  and then realizes talking to his friends
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  that she had had this procedure done.
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  Don't you think that that would happen all the time
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  that you would run into your ex and be like,
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  oh, hey, and they'd be like, who are you?
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  - 'Cause he doesn't actually know
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  that she doesn't recognize him.
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  He just thinks that she's ignoring him.
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  - Yeah, that's true.
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  He doesn't realize it until his friends tell him.
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  - Yeah, and tell his sister and her husband tell him.
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  But so, yeah, it's ultimately,
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  I mean, if you've ever seen pictures
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  or stills or clips of this show,
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  Kate Winslet as Clementine is so iconic.
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  I'm obsessed with her.
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  - With her blue hair.
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  - With her orange hair.
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  - And so my favorite is her red hair
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  when she has the fire engine red hair.
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  - Yeah, I like that too.
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  - But she has so many good ones.
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  She has a span of multi-colored hair.
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  She has her typical blue hair liberal living in New York City.
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  She might be the blueprint of blue hair liberals,
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  but she starts the movie and you look at her
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  and you really think, oh, this is just like
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  a manic pixie dream girl.
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  - Exactly.
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  - She is weird.
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  She's quirky.
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  She has all of these things.
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  But one thing that I really love about the writing
• 18:09
  of this film is it really subverts that
• 18:13
  and flips it on its head.
• 18:15
  And she actually has a really famous monologue
• 18:17
  that they show in the movie.
• 18:19
  I'm just a fucked up girl living in her own world.
• 18:22
  And then she says, wow, I really read you right then.
• 18:25
  Like you have this sense of fourth wall breaking
• 18:29
  as well within their memories and their moments.
• 18:32
  And I would say Joel, Jim Carrey's character,
• 18:36
  is like this sad boy who isn't responsible
• 18:41
  for his own actions and his own sadness.
• 18:45
  I think it's just really up the time.
• 18:48
  - Yeah, I agree.
• 18:49
  And the manic pixie dream girl,
• 18:50
  I mean, I'm sure everyone's heard that term by now,
• 18:53
  but it's kind of that weird quirky girl
• 18:56
  that every guy wants to date.
• 18:58
  She's a guy's girl.
• 19:00
  She doesn't fit in with the other girls.
• 19:02
  She's smart and well-read and likes the pixies.
• 19:06
  And dress is fun.
• 19:08
  And like, she rescues him from his boring life
• 19:12
  and then they live a life of wonder together.
• 19:14
  And I mean, she does fit a lot of those tropes,
• 19:17
  but at the same time, Clementine is fucked up, right?
• 19:20
  She's depressed, she's angry, she's impulsive,
• 19:23
  she's annoying.
• 19:25
  She's annoying as all get out.
• 19:27
  But like it works for her.
• 19:29
  And they balance each other out so well
• 19:32
  because he is bored and depressed and sad.
• 19:35
  And she's impulsive and depressed and sad, right?
• 19:40
  So they kind of fill in each other's gaps.
• 19:43
  - Yeah, and like we've mentioned in the beginning,
• 19:45
  like it is a non-linear timeline.
• 19:48
  So we see them meeting and ultimately,
• 19:52
  you see Clementine is like this really self-assured,
• 19:55
  confident woman who is like unapologetically her
• 20:00
  and just like so upfront.
• 20:03
  And then Joel, who's very like in their head and things like that.
• 20:07
  And you see them meet, which we think is for the first time
• 20:10
  in the movie as well.
• 20:12
  And then we start to go back through this like mind-erasing process
• 20:16
  and you start to see how imperfect their relationship was.
• 20:21
  - You're watching their relationship backwards.
• 20:25
  So like it starts, it's,
• 20:27
  while Joel is in bed with Mark Buffalo and Elijah Wood
• 20:33
  erasing his memory and then eventually Kirsten Dunst shows up
• 20:36
  to dance round in her underpants and complicate matters more.
• 20:41
  But yeah, you start with like his most recent memory
• 20:44
  of their last fight and then kind of go backwards
• 20:48
  through the relationship until, you know,
• 20:50
  we get into all the beginning and the happy memories.
• 20:54
  And then her hair kind of gives you like the audience
• 20:57
  a hint of where and the timeline this is too
• 21:00
  because she dies her hair so often.
• 21:03
  And when we first meet her, it's that blue color.
• 21:06
  And we think that that's when they meet, but it's not.
• 21:09
  - Yeah, her hair is such an interesting thing as well
• 21:14
  because when they're together, it's always this hollered color.
• 21:18
  She's very like intentional about that.
• 21:21
  But as we know, she's had her mind erase, Joel erased from her life.
• 21:26
  She starts to let like her blue hair really grow out
• 21:29
  and things like that.
• 21:30
  And God gives us this kind of like point in time narration.
• 21:35
  But I think what this movie does so well is,
• 21:39
  it really has a lot of different questions
• 21:42
  that it's asking you.
• 21:44
  And like it's trying to say a lot.
• 21:46
  Like I think that one of the core themes
• 21:49
  that I see within this movie is love
• 21:51
  isn't meant to be perfect.
• 21:53
  - Yeah.
• 21:53
  - And the ending of this movie,
• 21:56
  which if you haven't seen this movie
• 21:58
  you're listening to this, we're spoiled.
• 22:01
  The ending is insane because they literally hear tapes
• 22:05
  of themselves like describing the reasons
• 22:07
  that their relationship failed
• 22:08
  and why they shouldn't be together.
• 22:10
  And they decide ultimately to try again.
• 22:15
  - It's so serendipitous that they meet again, right?
• 22:18
  Like the thing that we see in the beginning
• 22:21
  is actually them coming back together
• 22:23
  after they've had their memories erased.
• 22:26
  And still just being so drawn to each other
• 22:29
  and her being like, have I met you before?
• 22:32
  Like there's still there's just like a cosmic pool
• 22:35
  between the two of them.
• 22:36
  And I love like him dropping her off
• 22:39
  and then Elijah Woods character coming up to the car
• 22:42
  and being like, can I help you?
• 22:45
  And Jim Carrey or Joel has no idea who this man is
• 22:49
  or why he's asking him that.
• 22:51
  And as a person watching the movie for the first time
• 22:53
  you're like, why is he asking in that?
• 22:55
  He's just dropped this girl off.
• 22:58
  But Elijah Woods like seriously
• 23:00
  after we did all this work, after I did all of this work
• 23:04
  to erase them from each other and swoop in and steal her.
• 23:07
  He's still fucking shows up.
• 23:08
  He's still, they still find a way back to each other.
• 23:11
  - Yeah, I think one of the really interesting things
• 23:14
  of this movie is it's asking our soulmates
• 23:19
  are like two people faded to be together.
• 23:22
  And even if we lose our memory of one another,
• 23:27
  are we still meant to be?
• 23:29
  And what does that look like?
• 23:30
  And I still to this day, like every time I watch it
• 23:33
  think differently or is it that their memories
• 23:37
  like weren't actually erased well enough
• 23:39
  and there were still those things.
• 23:41
  Does the body like continue to feel those things?
• 23:44
  Is it facial memory?
• 23:46
  Yeah, you know, all of those different things.
• 23:50
  But I think it is really like a Rorschach test
• 23:53
  of where you are in that moment in time.
• 23:56
  I think that I've always really looked at things differently
• 24:00
  like when I was young, Guren, I first saw this.
• 24:03
  I saw it as like, wow, they're soulmates.
• 24:05
  They're meant to be together.
• 24:06
  And then it's like, okay, as I get older,
• 24:09
  like if that changes.
• 24:10
  - Yeah, or like where you are in a,
• 24:13
  if you're in a relationship or not
• 24:15
  or how you're doing, right?
• 24:16
  Like, or yeah, how old you are.
• 24:18
  If I, you know, watched this as a love struck teenager,
• 24:23
  oh, there's soulmates.
• 24:24
  They're meant to be.
• 24:25
  And now that I'm watching it as a 37 year old woman
• 24:29
  who is deeply in love in a committed relationship,
• 24:32
  even I'm still just like, are they gonna work out?
• 24:36
  I don't know if I'm supposed to.
• 24:37
  Like they annoy each other constantly.
• 24:39
  They fight constantly.
• 24:41
  And there has to be more to a relationship
• 24:43
  than just being in love and whimsy,
• 24:46
  you know, you got to put in the hard work.
• 24:47
  So, yeah.
• 24:49
  - Well, I think like ultimately,
• 24:52
  like the movie is asking,
• 24:55
  can you remove pain without also like removing joy
• 25:00
  and intimacy and ultimately like who you are, right?
• 25:04
  So like, my brother and I read this book,
• 25:08
  it's called the Midnight Library, very, very good.
• 25:10
  And it's essentially like if you could go back to any point
• 25:15
  in time and start like pick up living your life
• 25:19
  as if you had made that decision
• 25:21
  or you didn't do this, would you be happy in that life?
• 25:24
  You don't get to like live from that moment on,
• 25:26
  you just drop into like the world where you are today.
• 25:29
  And would you be the same person?
• 25:32
  And I think I loved that book so much
• 25:34
  because it really asked that question of like,
• 25:37
  are you who you are if you removed all of those bad things
• 25:41
  that happened to you?
• 25:42
  Like I guess would you to the stay knowing where you are,
• 25:46
  go back and like erase the worst relationship you've been in?
• 25:51
  - Yeah.
• 25:52
  And would you?
• 25:54
  Would I? - I think that would be interesting.
• 25:56
  - No, I've been thinking about that for days
• 25:58
  'cause I knew we were gonna bring that up.
• 25:59
  Like would I remove the worst relationship I was ever in?
• 26:03
  And no, like it, you know, I had to,
• 26:06
  I would therapy about that relationship.
• 26:10
  (laughing)
• 26:12
  It turned, you know, it probably created some bad habits
• 26:16
  in me and ways that I thought about myself for years.
• 26:20
  But even so, I think that it like turned me into the woman
• 26:23
  that I am today and how I stand up for myself.
• 26:26
  And I would be too afraid of the ripple,
• 26:28
  like the butterfly effect.
• 26:30
  Like if I went back and changed, or not even changed it
• 26:33
  'cause it still happened, right?
• 26:34
  Or just erased it from my memory.
• 26:37
  Yeah, like what person would I be today?
• 26:39
  Would I be with Andrew, right?
• 26:42
  Like would I find my way to him if I forgot all the lessons
• 26:46
  that I had learned from that previous relationship?
• 26:49
  There's also a scene in the movie
• 26:51
  where Joel first goes to, what is it,
• 26:54
  Lunatic or something?
• 26:56
  - Lunatic.
• 26:57
  - La Cuna.
• 26:58
  - La Cuna, thank you, Lunatic, Lunatic.
• 27:01
  - He first goes to, of course.
• 27:04
  - He first goes to La Cuna and he sees a lady sitting there
• 27:07
  with a box of like, what is supposed to be maybe like a dead dog's
• 27:12
  stuff, like it has her dog's bowl in it and a collar
• 27:15
  and like a bone sticking out and she's just crying.
• 27:17
  And I was like, how could she?
• 27:20
  Like, how could she?
• 27:22
  - How could she moments of like people
• 27:25
  like looking at their kids?
• 27:27
  - Yeah.
• 27:28
  - Maybe like a kid who died really early.
• 27:31
  Like it is a good question of like grief as well
• 27:35
  on top of like failed relationships, right?
• 27:38
  - Yeah, and there's such a difference there
• 27:40
  because like your dog didn't ask to,
• 27:43
  your dog didn't break up with you when it died, right?
• 27:46
  - Yeah.
• 27:47
  - It was just like the natural circle of life.
• 27:48
  Like your kid didn't ask to die or break up with you.
• 27:52
  They just died like same with like a,
• 27:54
  to see spouse or parent, right?
• 27:56
  So unless your dog did break up with you,
• 28:00
  your dog one day is like, Susan,
• 28:03
  you've been feeding me at least 30 minutes late everyday,
• 28:08
  bitch.
• 28:09
  - 'Cause that one happens when a dog runs away.
• 28:11
  They're just breaking up with you.
• 28:14
  Whenever my dog runs away in the Sims,
• 28:16
  I'm always like, I'm such a good dog mom.
• 28:19
  I take you to the vet every time you turn polka dots
• 28:22
  or get a red nose.
• 28:23
  (laughing)
• 28:25
  What the fuck?
• 28:27
  I beat you so many times.
• 28:28
  Anyway, we digress.
• 28:30
  But like in a relationship, yeah, you do break up
• 28:35
  with each other, right?
• 28:37
  Can you think of anything in your life
• 28:41
  that you would want to forget?
• 28:43
  Even if it wasn't a relationship.
• 28:46
  - I think in the moment,
• 28:49
  I could have probably been like impulsive like clementine
• 28:53
  to be like, you brace this, make me not feel it.
• 28:56
  I think in hindsight, no.
• 28:59
  Like what comes to mind when I was younger
• 29:03
  is like I had a restraining order on someone, right?
• 29:06
  And where I'm like, oh, could I go back and like,
• 29:09
  ebrae's that?
• 29:10
  I think when, again, Rocha touched
• 29:12
  when I was younger, yes, now I'm like, absolutely not.
• 29:15
  And I think those moments really do change you.
• 29:20
  And I think that this movie really talks about memory
• 29:24
  and appreciation of the things that you've been through,
• 29:28
  both bad and good.
• 29:30
  - Yeah, and returns you into a deep.
• 29:33
  - You know what would be cool though,
• 29:35
  is if you could make someone else forget something about you,
• 29:38
  that I will do.
• 29:39
  - Oh, that would be so.
• 29:40
  - Yeah.
• 29:41
  - If I was like, oh my God, I want everyone to forget
• 29:44
  that I tripped in that dance recital in the seventh grade.
• 29:47
  - Oop.
• 29:48
  - Or I want everyone to forget about that stupid thing
• 29:51
  I said after too many cocktails.
• 29:53
  - And I just didn't remember that I shit my pants.
• 29:57
  I love if I could have everyone forget that time,
• 30:00
  I shit my pants.
• 30:01
  Now I would have to erase a lot of memories.
• 30:04
  - Yeah, you'd be just straight wife and you'd have
• 30:06
  like a wife and I'm subscribed to the game.
• 30:08
  - Just like I would wipe my ass, just wife and memory.
• 30:10
  Just you forget, you've.
• 30:13
  - Yeah, I think that's cool.
• 30:15
  - That's what it's really, really interesting to like think
• 30:20
  about what this movie is saying.
• 30:21
  And it's also asking the question of like,
• 30:24
  did you appreciate the good moments
• 30:27
  until they were disappearing, right?
• 30:29
  Like even in the end of a relationship,
• 30:32
  like he's like, oh, all of it was bad,
• 30:34
  all of it was negative and then as it starts to be taken away
• 30:38
  from him slowly, he's like, no, wait, this person
• 30:41
  is actually amazing.
• 30:42
  I love them.
• 30:43
  And you know, like those tiny moments,
• 30:45
  like going to the grocery store, getting jewelry,
• 30:48
  like silly amounts of opening up,
• 30:50
  like I think that it really does talk about
• 30:53
  how memory is so tied to emotion and things like that.
• 30:57
  - Yeah, let's take a quick little break
• 31:00
  and then we'll get more into this deep memory talk
• 31:03
  'cause I'm really loving this.
• 31:04
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• 31:07
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• 31:13
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• 31:55
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• 32:00
  - Okay, I have a question for you.
• 32:02
  And I think that this is kind of at the end of the movie,
• 32:07
  when they do kind of watch through their tapes
• 32:09
  and realize that they do wanna stay together,
• 32:12
  these little tiny moments that you mentioned
• 32:14
  are romanticized with them, right?
• 32:16
  The buying, the necklace,
• 32:17
  they're going to the grocery store, just the small things.
• 32:19
  And I think that like when you break up with somebody
• 32:22
  or when you end a relationship or even a friendship,
• 32:25
  we can so often think back to like tiny little things
• 32:30
  and only focus on those and then be like,
• 32:34
  oh, but maybe we should get back together.
• 32:35
  We used to laugh together so much
• 32:38
  or maybe we should get back together.
• 32:40
  We loved that restaurant.
• 32:42
  We always had the best noodles there together, right?
• 32:44
  And just realize that just because happy memories
• 32:48
  does not equal compatibility and a relationship, right?
• 32:53
  I feel like I've had moments like that too where I think back
• 32:58
  and I'm like, oh, I really, I should call her,
• 33:01
  you know, we had so much fun during that trip
• 33:04
  to blah, blah, blah together and then I'm like, wait, no.
• 33:07
  That friendship ended.
• 33:08
  - I wouldn't have thought about it.
• 33:10
  - She was so cool and she was a fried squid in my wedding.
• 33:13
  And then I'm like, no, that relationship fizzled out in time.
• 33:16
  And like, just because I have those happy memories
• 33:19
  doesn't mean I need to reconcile, right?
• 33:21
  Like just because you have those happy memories,
• 33:25
  you know, that's a good thing you can hold onto those
• 33:26
  but it doesn't mean you need to reach back out to the person
• 33:29
  and reconcile.
• 33:30
  Does that make sense?
• 33:32
  - Yeah, I agree.
• 33:33
  - I completely agree.
• 33:34
  No, I think that's why this movie is so interesting, right?
• 33:39
  Is it fate or is it a toxic pattern?
• 33:43
  And you being drawn to the same emotional dynamics
• 33:48
  that ultimately you have told yourself
• 33:52
  are not good for you, but you are going back in for it.
• 33:55
  Like is it destiny?
• 33:56
  Is it fate or is it comfortable?
• 33:59
  Even though you've forgotten them in this situation.
• 34:03
  Like, I guess the question is, do you think Joel
• 34:06
  and Clementine are still together?
• 34:08
  - No.
• 34:09
  - Okay, yeah.
• 34:10
  - No.
• 34:11
  What's really, really interesting is there is an alternate
• 34:15
  script ending that was interesting
• 34:17
  where in the original script of the Eternal Zone
• 34:20
  to turn in the sparrows mind,
• 34:21
  you see Joel and Clementine well into their old age
• 34:25
  erasing each other frequently.
• 34:27
  - Yeah, see, I feel like this is gonna be a loop for them.
• 34:31
  They are gonna find each other and erase each other
• 34:34
  over and over again because Clementine is so impulsive
• 34:39
  and in her emotions, right?
• 34:41
  And then Joel is gonna get so hurt every time
• 34:45
  that she should do it to exactly that it's just,
• 34:49
  God, they're gonna have major Alzheimer's, but the end.
• 34:53
  Oh my God.
• 34:53
  - Oh my God.
• 34:54
  - He's like, there's cause brain damage.
• 34:56
  The procedure in this is--
• 34:57
  - And the brain damage.
• 34:59
  - Yeah, they're just like taking whipits to the face
• 35:03
  every time they do this procedure.
• 35:05
  - But, you know what, Kirsten Dunn's character is the
• 35:09
  secretary and she's on the phone and the lady,
• 35:11
  she's talking to somebody and we don't hear the other sign,
• 35:14
  she's like, you can't do it three times in one month, ma'am.
• 35:18
  - Yes, yeah.
• 35:20
  - You have to wait until next month.
• 35:22
  I'm like, God damn, this woman is just making mistakes
• 35:25
  left and right.
• 35:26
  Like,
• 35:27
  - Well, I feel that get almost be addicting to,
• 35:31
  - Yeah.
• 35:32
  - Like, have that ability to a race pain,
• 35:37
  to race a negative emotion, ultimately,
• 35:39
  because it's pain, it's anxiety, it's uncomfortableness,
• 35:43
  and is it like, ultimately like a drug, right?
• 35:47
  Like, it becomes addictive and you start to see these things
• 35:52
  and is it better to never love,
• 35:56
  - To have loved and lost,
• 35:59
  than have never loved at all.
• 36:00
  - Yeah, and I think that's ultimately like what this,
• 36:03
  this movie really, really asks you.
• 36:05
  - I was just thinking too.
• 36:07
  I feel like I'm high now.
• 36:09
  I'm like, would I?
• 36:11
  - It's not gonna be your high.
• 36:12
  - If I knew I could erase the memory of something,
• 36:14
  would I take the risk and just do it
• 36:16
  and then erase the memory afterwards?
• 36:18
  But then I'm like, no,
• 36:19
  'cause you would still have to experience the consequences
• 36:21
  of people around you.
• 36:23
  Like, you know, like, if I wanted to run through the streets
• 36:27
  naked and screaming,
• 36:28
  but then I, yeah, I'll just erase the memory.
• 36:31
  Like, yeah, I feel like if I were a doctor,
• 36:35
  you're doing those procedures.
• 36:37
  I'd be like, that'd be dangerous.
• 36:38
  I'd just be like trying to be like,
• 36:41
  you could do a little brain damage right here.
• 36:43
  - Literally, I'm like, so no,
• 36:45
  I can't just go and do something impulsive
• 36:48
  and then just erase it because then the next day,
• 36:50
  everyone's gonna be like,
• 36:51
  "Shanna, you like, you were insane yesterday."
• 36:56
  And I'd be like, what do you mean?
• 36:58
  - Yeah, and ultimately in the movie,
• 37:03
  Kirsten Dunst, as we mentioned, is in this,
• 37:06
  and she's a secretary for La Cuna.
• 37:08
  And she's like, kind of obsessed with the main doctor
• 37:13
  in this movie.
• 37:14
  - He's so thrilled.
• 37:15
  - He's so thrilled.
• 37:16
  And she's definitely got like a crush on him
• 37:17
  and she's like, oh, he's so smart
• 37:20
  and he's like an old, funny, dirty, you know?
• 37:23
  - He's not that special.
• 37:24
  He's not like a hot silver fox.
• 37:26
  He's just an old dude.
• 37:28
  - And so in this, like you're kind of like,
• 37:31
  oh, she definitely like wants him,
• 37:32
  but she's hooking up with Mark Ruppell's character.
• 37:35
  And throughout the course of Joel's procedure,
• 37:38
  we discovered that the doctor and her had actually
• 37:42
  been in a relationship together.
• 37:44
  - At an affair.
• 37:45
  - Yes.
• 37:46
  And she asked him to erase her mind
• 37:49
  and continued working there.
• 37:51
  - Yeah.
• 37:52
  - Which is so fucking stupid of him and the wife.
• 37:54
  If I were the wife, I would have been like,
• 37:55
  no way the bitch would still work in there.
• 37:57
  - Yeah, right.
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  Like, just because she doesn't remember,
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  doesn't mean that the consequences of her actions
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  are still there.
• 38:04
  Exactly.
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  Like she might have forgot, but the pain that she caused,
• 38:08
  I mean, knowing that he caused, like it is still raw
• 38:12
  and he knows that he slept with her
• 38:14
  and that they had an affair.
• 38:15
  Like, yeah, it's so messy.
• 38:18
  - Yeah, I've been like, what?
• 38:21
  I think that is really, really interesting
• 38:22
  because Kirsten Dunst throughout the entire movie
• 38:25
  is a very willing participant in helping other people
• 38:29
  do this, right?
• 38:30
  Like, she's like, yes, it's amazing.
• 38:32
  She's like, believe in this.
• 38:34
  - She's like, believe in this.
• 38:34
  Yeah, she's a big believer in it.
• 38:36
  And then it happens to her and she flips her script
• 38:41
  and ultimately sends everyone their tapes
• 38:43
  and reminds them that they wanted to do this
• 38:46
  and she thinks that they should know.
• 38:48
  Which I think is also an interesting point it's making.
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  Where it's like, they're like in this hypothetical world,
• 38:54
  there are people who are profiting off of it,
• 38:56
  but then it happens to them.
• 38:58
  And the answer to that question is very different.
• 39:00
  Whenever it's them themselves.
• 39:02
  - Yeah.
• 39:03
  Dude, I imagine all hell breaking loose in this society.
• 39:07
  Like, she was pretty much a lot of--
• 39:09
  - She was pretty much a sense of--
• 39:10
  - Yeah, like a lot of those letters went out.
• 39:12
  It shows that printer printing out a ton.
• 39:14
  So a lot of people have gone through this procedure, right?
• 39:18
  So like, if you just, I don't know,
• 39:20
  I feel like people would just be losing their goddamn mind.
• 39:23
  It's like, I did what?
• 39:25
  Soon died.
• 39:26
  Oh God, like who am I?
• 39:28
  - I erased my dead child.
• 39:30
  - Oh my God, I'm out of kid.
• 39:32
  I had a dog.
• 39:32
  - Yeah.
• 39:34
  - That's not what I feel that way.
• 39:36
  - Every one of you just peeing all the time.
• 39:39
  I got a kid.
• 39:39
  - I shit my pants how many times.
• 39:42
  Oh my God, what now?
• 39:43
  Every day.
• 39:46
  I haven't been to a gastrointestinal doctor.
• 39:50
  I have a medical condition.
• 39:52
  My God.
• 39:53
  - So funny.
• 39:58
  It's so good.
• 39:59
  - It came back to pants.
• 40:00
  It came back to pants again.
• 40:01
  - It came back to pants.
• 40:02
  It came back to pants.
• 40:03
  We are in a non-linear storytelling here.
• 40:07
  But-- - Oh yeah, I think that.
• 40:08
  - It would be a good point of, if you've forgotten,
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  like if you've erased the lessons,
• 40:15
  are you destined to repeat them until you learn them?
• 40:19
  - I think personally in my own life.
• 40:21
  - Yeah.
• 40:22
  - Yeah.
• 40:23
  - Sometimes I learn the same lesson five times.
• 40:26
  - That's the only thing.
• 40:27
  - I had to keep dating the same version
• 40:31
  of a very terrible man until I had to take a step back
• 40:34
  and be like, "Okay, you're the best man here."
• 40:37
  - It reminds me of someone.
• 40:40
  - Wait a check.
• 40:41
  Wait a check.
• 40:42
  - Wait a minute.
• 40:42
  - Wait a minute.
• 40:43
  - Wait a minute.
• 40:44
  - Yeah.
• 40:45
  - And it wasn't until I took a step back
• 40:47
  and really looked at the reality of those things
• 40:50
  and felt my way through my own responsibility
• 40:55
  in the days of relationships as well.
• 40:59
  And how I was also a contributing factor.
• 41:02
  So yeah, I think that this movie is just so beautiful.
• 41:06
  It's so-- - I agree.
• 41:07
  - It's so provoking.
• 41:08
  And it is a script wildly of its time,
• 41:13
  but still holds up.
• 41:15
  - I agree.
• 41:16
  It's definitely very like two,
• 41:18
  that early 2000s hipster along with like,
• 41:20
  garden stay, you know.
• 41:22
  - Yes.
• 41:23
  - And I've rented it at the blockbuster.
• 41:26
  But it does still hold up.
• 41:28
  Like I just watched it two nights ago, whatever.
• 41:30
  And I was like, "I remember why I liked this movie so much."
• 41:33
  - Yeah, it's amazing.
• 41:34
  I truly wanted to be Clementine so bad when I was in a great--
• 41:38
  - Oh my God.
• 41:39
  - I still think she is so iconic.
• 41:41
  - She's amazing.
• 41:42
  - Massie and Oliver.
• 41:43
  - Massie and all.
• 41:44
  And you know, I did what rewatch it and say,
• 41:47
  "Should I dive in here, fire in the red?"
• 41:51
  - You do that and I'll do the blue.
• 41:53
  I mean, I already have crazy--
• 41:54
  - Yeah, you could throw the blue in there, easy.
• 41:57
  - See, I would have to go fully bleach blonde again
• 42:02
  and my hair really didn't like that when I--
• 42:04
  - I just bleached blonde from purple hair.
• 42:07
  - Yeah, I just bleached to this little part.
• 42:09
  But I was already-- - That's your bangs.
• 42:12
  - If that doesn't have to go all the way to--
• 42:14
  - Yeah. - To patch your shoulder blade.
• 42:15
  - Your entire head would be expensive and time consuming.
• 42:19
  (laughing)
• 42:20
  - Maybe I'll just copy and do money pieces.
• 42:23
  - That'd be so cute, too.
• 42:24
  - That would be cute.
• 42:25
  - That would be cute.
• 42:26
  - We should just keep copying each other.
• 42:28
  People already think we're sisters anyway.
• 42:30
  - Yeah, you know, a shana dyed her bangs.
• 42:33
  So I dyed my hair as well.
• 42:35
  But yeah, I think that ultimately,
• 42:38
  like I could keep talking about this movie forever.
• 42:41
  - I'm curious for anyone listening what your thoughts are.
• 42:45
  Really what you think,
• 42:47
  the what the film is trying to say,
• 42:50
  what things you think that we missed.
• 42:54
  - And would you erase?
• 42:56
  - Yeah, would you erase someone?
• 42:58
  - Yeah, or a painful awkward bad in your life.
• 43:00
  - Yeah, also what is your favorite clomantine hair color?
• 43:03
  I think those are the important ones.
• 43:06
  The moment where-- - Oh, and how do you put on your pants?
• 43:09
  - How do you put on your pants?
• 43:10
  - Yeah, the moment where she has the little space buns
• 43:14
  with the double tropsticks in them.
• 43:17
  - And the tendrils.
• 43:18
  So cute. - Yes, so good.
• 43:21
  - So good.
• 43:22
  You know, Ariana Grande agrees.
• 43:24
  She did do an album, "Aternal Sunshine."
• 43:27
  - Yeah, not as good as the Circus her five album,
• 43:29
  but that's okay.
• 43:30
  - Yeah, well, forgive her.
• 43:32
  This is also like Ariana Grande's favorite,
• 43:34
  one of her favorite movies.
• 43:36
  And I think that really checks out.
• 43:38
  - It does. - For everything.
• 43:40
  - She's also obsessed with Jim Carrey,
• 43:42
  just like us, just like us.
• 43:44
  - He's so fine, so hot.
• 43:46
  - And Kate Winslet in this movie.
• 43:48
  - Oh, yeah.
• 43:49
  - She's gorgeous too.
• 43:50
  Kirsten Dunst is gorgeous.
• 43:52
  Mark Ruffalo, "I Have A Huge Crouch On Elijah Wood."
• 43:55
  - But he's really creepy.
• 43:57
  - I was so proud of her.
• 43:57
  - Grrly.
• 43:58
  - Grrly is just moving.
• 43:59
  - Grrly is just moving.
• 44:00
  - Oh, we didn't even talk about this.
• 44:01
  It's really interesting.
• 44:03
  So I think that Elijah Wood is also like a great part
• 44:08
  of this, is it fade or is it a pattern?
• 44:11
  Because Elijah Wood tries to steal those same moments.
• 44:15
  - He's forcing himself in.
• 44:17
  - Yeah, but they don't hit the same, right?
• 44:20
  So it's like what makes connection and love?
• 44:23
  See, I'm starting again.
• 44:24
  He's faking it.
• 44:25
  - He's faking it the whole time.
• 44:27
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• 44:31
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• 44:34
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