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The Kenny Report | 17 February · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Thanks for joining me. Isis
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Speaker 2: Bride's heading from Syria to Australia. The coalition says they
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Speaker 2: should be blocked. But what will the Albanezy government do.
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor unveils the new coalition front bench. I'll speak
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Speaker 2: to a couple of winners elevated from the back bench.
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson and just into Namba, jimper Price will join me.
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Speaker 2: I'll show you what happens to your taxpayers subsidies when
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Speaker 2: the green dream goes bad. Donald Trump on the Epstein
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Speaker 2: files and Barack Obama on the X Files. Kristen Tate
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Speaker 2: joins us from the US plus Tim Blair, Susio O'Brien
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Speaker 2: and Stephen Senna Tempe. Let's get into it. Let's say
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Speaker 2: a look at this new coalition front bench announced only
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Speaker 2: minutes ago in Canberra. We'll discuss it with guests tonight,
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Speaker 2: but let me run through some of the highlights. The
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Speaker 2: new Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party, Jane Hume, has
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Speaker 2: taken on himlay moment, productivity and deregulation. That's a good
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Speaker 2: call play to work with their on the economic agenda.
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Speaker 2: Tim Wilson gets a huge boost straight into shadow Treasury,
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Speaker 2: taking on the smugg at Jim Chalmers and Justento Namba.
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Speaker 2: Jimper Price rockets back and she'll take small business. She'll
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Speaker 2: join me on the show later. Andrew Hasty of course
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Speaker 2: gets recalled as well, taking on industry with a particular
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Speaker 2: focus on aligning national security with economic security. John o'dunheam
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Speaker 2: gets the key portfolio of Immigration and Home Affairs front
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Speaker 2: and center. Right at the moment. Michaulia Cash will be
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Speaker 2: Shadow Attorney General. James Patterson takes Defense, with veteran Phil
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Speaker 2: Thompson assisting him. Former Deputy leader Ted O'Brian gets a
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Speaker 2: plum gig. He gets Foreign Affairs and Dave Sharma will
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Speaker 2: assist him in that portfolio. Sarah Henderson returns to communications.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak with her in the program as well. Claire
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Speaker 2: Chandler gets a big promotion into the crucial finance portfolio.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bragg kept Housing and added environment as a leading moderate.
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Speaker 2: Julian Lisa gets Indigenous affairs where he's held sway before,
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Speaker 2: and Anne Rustin stays on in health. So plenty of
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Speaker 2: so called moderates. Lee's supporters did pretty well. In this shakeup.
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Speaker 3: Our people are our greatest strength and will make the
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Speaker 3: most of everyone's contribution. I want a culture, healthy competition,
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Speaker 3: the kind that lifts us out, lifts us all to
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Speaker 3: deliver for Australians and to hold a bad government to account.
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Speaker 2: It is a stronger team, There's no doubt about that.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what we expected. How could it not be
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Speaker 2: stronger when you're adding Andrew Hasty and just s into
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Speaker 2: nambajimper Price. But it's pretty well balanced too. It looks
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Speaker 2: like one that can deliver a bit of much needed firepower,
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Speaker 2: but as well some unity. We will see. As I said,
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Speaker 2: Senators Henderson and Namba jimber Price will join me tonight.
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Speaker 2: Call it Islamic State or ISIS that is Islamic State
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Speaker 2: of Iraq and Syria, or isl Islamic State of Iraq
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Speaker 2: and the Levant or Daish as many Arabs would call it.
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Speaker 2: Whatever you call it. We're talking about an organization or
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Speaker 2: a movement of pure evil. This is an Islamist extremist
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Speaker 2: movement that used terrorism and grotesque violence to create their
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Speaker 2: dream of an Islamic caliphate in Iraq and Syria. In
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Speaker 2: twenty twelve and twenty thirteen. They ran it for about
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Speaker 2: six years, slaughtering people of other religions or Muslims who
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Speaker 2: wouldn't join their extremist movement. Women were raped, they were
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Speaker 2: sold into slavery and murdered. Children were killed or brought
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Speaker 2: into the savagery. Incredibly, two hundred or more Australians left
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Speaker 2: this country free to join the caliphate, to join the bloodlust.
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Speaker 2: Think about what that says. We had two hundred or
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Speaker 2: more Australians who wanted to be part of this. It's
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Speaker 2: believed about one hundred of them were killed, forty or
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Speaker 2: so came back to Australia and the others fates will
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Speaker 2: they remain unknown? Yep, some of them still live among US.
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Speaker 2: Police alleged that the gunmen who slaughtered fifteen innocent people
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Speaker 2: at Bondai in December were inspired by ISIS. An ISIS
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Speaker 2: flag was found in their car. This is what we're
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Speaker 2: dealing with, which is why there is such concern about
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Speaker 2: reports today that so called ISIS brides, wives of former
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Speaker 2: ISIS terrorists, are on their way from Syria to Australia.
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Speaker 2: In all, it's believed eleven families and thirty four people
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Speaker 2: are on their way. They left an internment camp in Syria,
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Speaker 2: on to Damascus and flights to Australia, but apparently they
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Speaker 2: were turned back in Syria last night because they didn't
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Speaker 2: have the right travel documents. Reports from Syria say this
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Speaker 2: is just a delay and they'll resume their journey soon.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister says the government is not organizing this evacuation.
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Speaker 4: It won't repatriate them, and indeed the government was taken
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Speaker 4: to court by one of the non government organizations saying
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Speaker 4: that we had a responsibility and they weren't successful in that.
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Speaker 4: My mother would have said, if you make your bed,
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Speaker 4: you lie in it. These are people who went overseas
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Speaker 4: supporting Islamic state and went there to provide support for
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Speaker 4: people who basically want a caliphate, and you know.
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Speaker 2: It is unfortunate for the children they caught up.
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Speaker 4: It is, but we have a very firm view that
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Speaker 4: we won't be providing assistance or repatriation. Of course, Australian
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Speaker 4: law applies and there are obligations that Australian officials have,
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Speaker 4: but we want to make it clear as well as
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Speaker 4: we have to the people involved that if there are
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Speaker 4: any breaches of the law, then they will face the
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Speaker 4: full force of the Australian law.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if these people are Australian citizens, then they have
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Speaker 2: a legal right to return home, although as the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister said, some could face criminal charges on their return.
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Speaker 2: Under the former Morrison government, some orphaned children of ISIS
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Speaker 2: fighters were brought back into this country, and under the
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Speaker 2: Alberanesi government some adults and children have been allowed in
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Speaker 2: over recent years. This time, however, the Coalition is calling
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Speaker 2: on the government to block the families from entering the country.
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Speaker 5: These are individuals who chose to associate with a terrorist caliphate.
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Speaker 5: This is not aligned with the values we as Australians
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Speaker 5: believe in democracy, the rule of law, our basic freedoms,
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Speaker 5: including freedom of religion. The door must be shut to
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Speaker 5: people who do not believe in those things.
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Speaker 2: Of course, we don't want ISIS sympathizers in this country.
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Speaker 2: We don't know the individual circumstances of the mothers, but
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Speaker 2: the children have no choice in these affairs and are
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Speaker 2: most likely entitled to Australian citizenship. Prominent Australian Lebanese GP
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Speaker 2: and former Australian newspaper Australian of the Year Jamal Riffi
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Speaker 2: is reportedly with the families attempting to arrange their travel
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Speaker 2: to Australia. Now I know Jamal and I respect him.
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Speaker 2: I've reached out to him without any luck so far.
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Speaker 2: I'd be keen to hear his take on all this.
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Speaker 2: This issue highlights the crucial inflection point that this nation
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Speaker 2: is at with terrorism, extremism and social cohesion. The Albanezi government,
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Speaker 2: as I've said repeatedly ad nauseum, in fact, for the
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Speaker 2: past twenty seven months, it's been too soft on anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism and Islamist extremism. And over that period it's issued
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Speaker 2: three thousand visas to people from the Hummas controlled bad
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Speaker 2: lands of Gaza, something that's extremely risky and unwise given
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Speaker 2: security checks could only have been cursory. We're dealing with
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Speaker 2: the fallout from the worst terrorist attack in our nation's history,
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Speaker 2: an ongoing elevated terrorism alert level, hate preaches in our
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Speaker 2: midst and the government looks like it won't prevent the
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Speaker 2: return of Isis families. Anthony Albanez. He says the government
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Speaker 2: won't repatriate them. That just means he's not organizing the returns.
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Speaker 2: So far, it hasn't said it will block them, and
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Speaker 2: we don't know who's funding all of this. Albanizi has
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Speaker 2: failed every test on these crucial issues for more than
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Speaker 2: two years. You couldn't trust him and his team to
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Speaker 2: get this one right. Let me share a stunning example
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Speaker 2: of the dangerous idiocy gripping this nation and the world
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Speaker 2: when it comes to these crucial issues of Israel, Gaza,
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism, and Islamist extremism. Have a look and listen
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Speaker 2: carefully to this. This is activists at Sydney University over
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Speaker 2: the weekend at a fair to celebrate the game in
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Speaker 2: Lesbian Marti gram globalize the Interfada, queers, queers for Gaza.
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Speaker 2: What hateful, reckless fools, what nasty, dangerous idiots. Gaza is
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Speaker 2: run by Hummus. Gaza has been plunged into war by Hummus.
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Speaker 2: Hummus is an Islamist extremist terrorist outfit that would happily
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Speaker 2: slit the throat of any queer or throw them from
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Speaker 2: the nearest rooftop, as they've done in the past. Hummas
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Speaker 2: would happily kill any gays, lesbians, transgender intersects or pluses
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Speaker 2: of any kind who wandered into Gaza. They do that
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Speaker 2: just as happily as they kill, rape, torture, and defile
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Speaker 2: Jews or Christians or any other Westerners. So these so
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Speaker 2: called progressives at Sydney University, these ignorant haters, call for
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Speaker 2: a globalization of the interfata. In other words, they are
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Speaker 2: calling for more terrorist violence against Israelis and Jews, more slaughter.
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Speaker 2: And they don't even seem to realize that those same
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Speaker 2: attacks would target them with just the same bloodlust. These
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Speaker 2: are turkeys marching for Christmas. They are rabbits marching for
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Speaker 2: the greyhounds. They are antelope marching for the lions. They
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Speaker 2: are like queers marching for Hummus. These people preach hatred,
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Speaker 2: They imperil their nation with their activism, and they also
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Speaker 2: show us what hotbeds of lunacy and ignorance our universities
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Speaker 2: have become. We all know how they sell the so
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Speaker 2: called green energy transition, don't we. I mean, they don't
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Speaker 2: tell you about the endless hikes in your power prices,
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Speaker 2: and they don't tell you about how unreliable our energy
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Speaker 2: supply has become. And they don't tell you about the
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Speaker 2: land alienated, the bushland cleared, and the farming families surrendering
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Speaker 2: the rights to their own land. Now they sell the
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Speaker 2: green dream with sweetness and light. They sell it as
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Speaker 2: part of a grand green dream, just like this video
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Speaker 2: from the Clean Energy Corporation.
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Speaker 6: It's now ten years since we began investing in a
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Speaker 6: straight as transition to zero missions. We can all be
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Speaker 6: excited and inspired by the seismic shift that's occurring right now. However,
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Speaker 6: it must continue an even greater scale.
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Speaker 2: Well, of course, it's wonderful and we've got to keep going,
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Speaker 2: they say. But have a look at how it sometimes
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Speaker 2: turns out. This is a solar farm, or what's left
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Speaker 2: of a solar farm, at gem Along, not far from
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Speaker 2: four in central western New South Wales. The farm's owner,
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Speaker 2: vast Renewables, went into administration last year and as you
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Speaker 2: can see, the plant has gone to rack and ruin,
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Speaker 2: leaving the locals none too pleased. There's not just rubbish
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Speaker 2: playing here.
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Speaker 7: A huge amount of money that's gone into this thing
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Speaker 7: that's now just evaporated in smoke and taxpayer subsidy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure enough, there's plenty of your money involved. Before
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Speaker 2: it went bust, vast Renewables attracted hundreds of millions of
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Speaker 2: dollars in government grants and subsidies for various renewables projects
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Speaker 2: around the country, many of which have fallen over. You
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Speaker 2: can see here what the gem along soul Of Farm
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Speaker 2: looked like a few years ago, and you can see
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Speaker 2: how it looks now, how your taxpayer subsidies turned out.
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Speaker 2: In the real world, locals are worried about the abandoned
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Speaker 2: site left behind and the risk of bushfires, especially after
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Speaker 2: a fire last year at the Wellington Solar Farm a
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Speaker 2: short drive to the east.
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Speaker 5: See by a fight and aircraft over the back there
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Speaker 5: water bombing two helicopters.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. This is a real worry, isn't it a legitimate fear?
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Speaker 2: The green dream gets a big run in the media
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Speaker 2: and in politics, and it attracts countless billions of your dollars.
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Speaker 2: But the renewable energy reality is something entirely different to
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Speaker 2: the spin. Let's hope enough people wake up quickly enough.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the newly reinstalled frontbencher, the Communications shadow Minister,
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson joins us from Geelong. Congratulations, Sarah, it's a
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Speaker 2: portfolio you've held before. I bet you're really clean to
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Speaker 2: get keen to get back into it.
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Speaker 8: Well, I'm absolutely delighted, and of course led by Angus
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Speaker 8: and Jane. We are determined to hold labor to account.
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Speaker 8: This is a team that will hold labor to account
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Speaker 8: every single day and also prosecute the policies that we
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Speaker 8: need to take up to the action.
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Speaker 2: I want to come back to your portfolio in a moment,
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Speaker 2: but first up the reshuffle in general it looks to
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Speaker 2: be fairly conciliatory. I see some prominent moderates getting promotions
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Speaker 2: or holding their senior roles. Tim Wilson obviously seen as
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Speaker 2: a moderate, straight into Shadow Treasurer. That's a big job
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Speaker 2: for him. Well.
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Speaker 8: Tim has been a force to be reckoned with in
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Speaker 8: terms of prosecuting issues that we know we need to prosecute.
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Speaker 8: Labor has so failed Australians in terms of its mismanagement
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Speaker 8: of the economy. It's reckless spending is driving up the
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Speaker 8: cost of everything.
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Speaker 1: As we know.
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Speaker 8: Chris and Tim will do an amazing job as Shadow Treasurer,
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Speaker 8: along with the rest of the economic team of course,
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Speaker 8: Jane and Claire, led by Angus. So it's a very
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Speaker 8: very strong team. But Mangus has made a very important
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Speaker 8: point to all of us. We are all leaders in
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Speaker 8: the Liberal and Nationals team and we are all going
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Speaker 8: to play a very very important role in holding this
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Speaker 8: government to account and taking it right up to them
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Speaker 8: and fighting for the Australian people.
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Speaker 2: Now, John o'dunium gives the crucial portfolio of Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: and Immigration. It's in the news today with Labor essentially
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Speaker 2: saying they can't block the return of ISIS brides. Both
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor, John o'dunium and yourself earlier has said that
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Speaker 2: Australia should block the return of these ISIS brides. How
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Speaker 2: can Australia actually block them if they're Australian citizens.
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Speaker 8: Well, one of the opportunities for the government is to
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Speaker 8: impose temporary exclusion orders. I mean, let's not forget Chris.
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Speaker 8: These are women who've gone to Syria to support terrorist fighters.
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Speaker 8: It's horrific to consider what these women have been involved with.
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Speaker 8: We have no confidence that they can come back into
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Speaker 8: Australia and not pose a very serious community safety risk.
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Speaker 8: So the government should be doing a whole range of things,
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Speaker 8: including imposing temporary exclusion orders. We need to know every
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Speaker 8: single Australian deserves to know that they will be safe
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Speaker 8: and frankly, the government has just wiped their hands of
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Speaker 8: this they say, you know, we're not doing anything, We're
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Speaker 8: not helping to reperpatriate. When Tony Burke, of course, and
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Speaker 8: we've found that evidence has been having a secret meeting
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Speaker 8: with Save the Children, sendingly to assist them through the
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Speaker 8: back door. It is simply not good enough. And in
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Speaker 8: cened estimates last week I prosecuted the case. We need transparency.
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Speaker 8: Australians deserve to know what is going on. Pennywong last
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Speaker 8: week denied any knowledge about this cohort other than she
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Speaker 8: made some very general observations. And of course within days
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Speaker 8: we see eleven families seeking to come back to Australia.
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Speaker 8: That is simply not good enough. These are women who
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Speaker 8: supported ISIS ideology and let's not forget Chris, it is
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Speaker 8: extremist ISIS ideology which underpin the Bondai terrorist attack. There
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Speaker 8: has never been a more important time for this government
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Speaker 8: to take our community safety seriously and to stop these
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Speaker 8: families coming back to Australia.
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Speaker 2: That is the allegation put out there by police, yet
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Speaker 2: to be tested in court. I just should quickly add
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Speaker 2: now discussing these issues on this station last night with
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Speaker 2: my colleague Shari Marx and Pauline Hansen had this to say.
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Speaker 9: I've got no time for the radical Islam. Their religion
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Speaker 9: concerns me because what it says in the Quran we
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Speaker 9: are they hate Westerners and that's what it's all about.
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Speaker 9: You know, you say, oh, well there's good Muslims out there. Well,
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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, how can you tell me they are a good.
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Speaker 2: Mo Your response to those comments Sarah Henderson and their
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Speaker 2: impact on the national debate, Well.
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Speaker 8: Our concern is not about targeting any race or any religion.
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Speaker 8: Our concern is about targeting extremist ideology. People who come
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Speaker 8: to this country who want to do is harm, people
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Speaker 8: who are here in this country and want to do
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Speaker 8: is harm, people who have hate in their hearts. And
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Speaker 8: Angus has made it very clear we are going to
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Speaker 8: shut the door to anyone who seeks to harm our country,
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Speaker 8: simple as that, Sarah.
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Speaker 2: I haven't got time to get back into the ABC
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Speaker 2: with you. Will try and catch up again next week.
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Speaker 2: We've run right out of time. I appreciate it. Sarah
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Speaker 2: Henderson there, who's now the Shadow Minister for Communications, and
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Speaker 2: we'll catch up with her on matters relating to the
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Speaker 2: ABC and the social media band too. I should say.
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Speaker 2: Of course, also that interview with Pauline Hanson last night,
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Speaker 2: Charry Markson pushed back against those comments from Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: which are now creating qu quite a bit of controversy
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Speaker 2: in the national debate. Now I mentioned their social media
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Speaker 2: get back onto this issue. That is the federal government,
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Speaker 2: so world leading ban no social media band for the
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Speaker 2: under sixteens in this country. The e Safety Commission, that
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Speaker 2: is effectively the government, says four point seven million accounts
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Speaker 2: have been disabled since the ban came into place. MATA
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Speaker 2: that's Facebook and Instagram, so they've closed just over half
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Speaker 2: a million accounts, while Snapchat has blocked just over four
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand children. But do these numbers add up and
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Speaker 2: is the ban having any effect? Let me bring in
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Speaker 2: Tamar Lever, who's the professor of Internet Studies at Curtin University.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Tamar really interested in this because
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Speaker 2: these laws are incredibly popular, not just in Australia but
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Speaker 2: around the world. Other governments are looking to implement them
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Speaker 2: because they sound great. But from the available evidence, are
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Speaker 2: they working well?
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Speaker 1: The available evidence is pretty thin.
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Speaker 10: We have a number of accounts that have been closed,
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Speaker 10: but we're not encouraged to what the impact of that
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Speaker 10: is yet, and certainly anecdotal evidence that a number of
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Speaker 10: the protections are being.
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Speaker 1: Circumvented fairly easily.
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Speaker 10: There's certainly a number of stories of young people being
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Speaker 10: able to get around the essentially taking a selfie to
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Speaker 10: estimate your age not working terribly well.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean the ban is.
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Speaker 10: A failure as such, but what it does mean is
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Speaker 10: that what we've known all along is that this is
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Speaker 10: the first attempt by national government to do something like this,
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Speaker 10: and inevitably that means that there's a lot of bugs to.
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Speaker 1: Work out, as it were.
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Speaker 10: So I do think that it's too early to say
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Speaker 10: whether it's working or not. It's certainly too early to
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Speaker 10: say whether it's changed culture or not. But it is
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Speaker 10: also true that some of the concerns that are expressed
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Speaker 10: in advance about young people being able to get around
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Speaker 10: this relatively easily seem to be the case, even though
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Speaker 10: there's not a huge amount of evidence one where or
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Speaker 10: the other.
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Speaker 2: Yet. Yeah, even if we look at those numbers from
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Speaker 2: Meta and Snapchat adding up to just shy of a
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Speaker 2: million accounts, even if they are all accounts that have
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Speaker 2: been closed, that doesn't necessarily really mean that a half
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Speaker 2: a million or a million children have been blocked, as
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Speaker 2: it these could be jupilar accounts or down the accounts.
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Speaker 2: We don't actually know how many legitimate accounts four children
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Speaker 2: have been blocked, no.
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Speaker 10: And it's very difficult to tell. It's very likely that
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Speaker 10: the young people would have had multiple accounts across multiple platforms.
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Speaker 10: We don't have a granular breakdown of that four point
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Speaker 10: seven million, so we're guessing that the bulk of that
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Speaker 10: number would be made up of TikTok and YouTube accounts.
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Speaker 10: But again it's very hard to tell, and we don't
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Speaker 10: know what the impact has been on, especially those young
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Speaker 10: people that already had accounts. So it's one thing to
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Speaker 10: talk about those young people that will be have never
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Speaker 10: held in accounts who are under thirteen, We simply won't
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Speaker 10: have the opportunity to go on to those accounts until
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Speaker 10: they're sixteen. But for those that were fourteen or fifteen
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Speaker 10: who've inferiorly's been pulled back off, it's very hard to
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Speaker 10: tell whether they might have done something else to get
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Speaker 10: around this. For example, where there seems to be have
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Speaker 10: been a large number of fourteen year olds that are
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Speaker 10: signed up to TikTok as eighteen year olds now and
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Speaker 10: remove any protections.
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Speaker 1: That they might have had.
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Speaker 10: So there are definitely some kinks to work out.
23:07
Speaker 9: So they're released.
23:08
Speaker 2: Will we find out what can we do to find out?
23:10
Speaker 2: Will we get more data in six months in a
23:13
Speaker 2: year that gives us a better idea as to just
23:15
Speaker 2: how effective this has been.
23:17
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look that the platforms are obliged to give the
23:19
Speaker 10: EESAETY Commissioner numbers on a regular basis. They're also open
23:24
Speaker 10: for scrutiny, So I do think that there'll be more
23:26
Speaker 10: information available about which platforms have removed, what numbers of people,
23:30
Speaker 10: and how that's working as an ongoing thing. So that
23:33
Speaker 10: initial four point seven was all in December, but all
23:36
Speaker 10: of these platforms so that they are continuing to look
23:39
Speaker 10: for other signals that somebody is under age and to
23:42
Speaker 10: police that in some capacity. So we'll see over time,
23:45
Speaker 10: I guess how much that that continues to be the case,
23:47
Speaker 10: and whether we do see a culture shift or not,
23:50
Speaker 10: whether young people find that they are moving to alternative platforms,
23:54
Speaker 10: whether they're going outside, whether they're doing other things. Is
23:58
Speaker 10: it is really hard to tell this pite for what
24:00
Speaker 10: we can say is the rest of the world seems
24:03
Speaker 10: to be taking a photocopy to this legislation.
24:05
Speaker 2: Sure, we will need to know how it works exactly.
24:07
Speaker 2: That's why it's so fascinating, because it's not just for us.
24:10
Speaker 2: The rest of the world is looking It looks like
24:11
Speaker 2: the UK will be next to follow suit. Thanks so
24:14
Speaker 2: much for joining us, Tamara. I appreciate Tamar Lever there,
24:16
Speaker 2: who's the professor of Internet Studies at Curtin University. We're
24:20
Speaker 2: going to get to a break. On the other side,
24:21
Speaker 2: Tim Blair will join. We're going to talk about how
24:24
Speaker 2: Donald Trump now was trying to revive the fossil fuel industries.
24:33
Speaker 2: Let's catch up with Tim Blair, who hangs out in
24:35
Speaker 2: western Victoria and brings sanity to the world from his
24:40
Speaker 2: man cave there. Tim, I love your column today focusing
24:44
Speaker 2: on how Donald Trump has actually tried to inject some
24:48
Speaker 2: reality into the climate change and clean energy debate. Just
24:53
Speaker 2: reminding people about the crucial role of fossil fuels in civilization,
25:00
Speaker 2: a bit of Donald Trump.
25:02
Speaker 11: In two thousand and nine, Barack Cussin Obama his EPA
25:07
Speaker 11: designated fossil fuels such as oil, guess and other things
25:17
Speaker 11: that actually make factories rock and roll and other things
25:22
Speaker 11: drive very nicely as a threat to health and human welfare,
25:26
Speaker 11: known as the endangerment finding. This determination had no basis.
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Speaker 2: In fact, it's brilliant stuff. Tim These things aren't a
25:37
Speaker 2: danger to the planet. They actually make the joint rock.
25:39
Speaker 7: And roll absolutely, I mean, they built the world and
25:45
Speaker 7: to turn it back to them is kind of self destructive.
25:48
Speaker 7: I like how he's identified in this new move the
25:52
Speaker 7: fact that so much climate activism, so much, so much
25:56
Speaker 7: of the green left's attempts to straighten us out, it
26:00
Speaker 7: just makes things more expensive and worse. It doesn't actually
26:03
Speaker 7: help the environment at all. It just adds huge expense
26:07
Speaker 7: for a weaker product, weaker services. So that's what this
26:11
Speaker 7: is about. It looks like it looks like he's going
26:13
Speaker 7: back to fossil fuels just as a more practical way
26:16
Speaker 7: of delivering power to enormous numbers of people, including because
26:20
Speaker 7: this will have worldwide impacts, including for Australians.
26:23
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now, the big picture here is the one that
26:25
Speaker 2: we go on about in great detail with experts and
26:28
Speaker 2: the like here on this program, and that is the
26:30
Speaker 2: so called transition to renewable energy. How that increases energy
26:34
Speaker 2: costs and it gets rid of energy reliability. And this
26:38
Speaker 2: is a massive issue for most developed nations in the world,
26:41
Speaker 2: and we'll keep focusing on that. And that's the main
26:43
Speaker 2: game of what Donald Trump and his administration is trying
26:46
Speaker 2: to do. But there's another one that he mentioned here,
26:49
Speaker 2: which I just love because it drives me nuts. It's
26:53
Speaker 2: that frigging button in my car that makes the engine
26:57
Speaker 2: cut out every time I stop, and you can't disable it.
27:00
Speaker 2: Most cars, you can't disable it. Here's the President.
27:05
Speaker 11: Under the Endangerment finding the forced the hated start stop
27:11
Speaker 11: feature onto American consumers, which unnecessarily shut so off a
27:16
Speaker 11: car's engine when you stop at a red light. In
27:18
Speaker 11: other words, the engine goes off.
27:20
Speaker 2: That's great, Alielujah, Tim.
27:24
Speaker 7: Why a lot of people me included own old cars.
27:28
Speaker 7: You know that stopped start thinking. The first time I
27:32
Speaker 7: drove it, Carl like that was some years ago, and
27:34
Speaker 7: I thought something was dreadfully wrong.
27:36
Speaker 2: Are you're sure you'd stilled it?
27:38
Speaker 7: Oh? No, you know, I'm all worried and trying to
27:41
Speaker 7: refire the thing. But all it needed was just to
27:44
Speaker 7: wait until little lot bent green up at my foot down.
27:46
Speaker 7: But it is irritating and as as I think There's
27:50
Speaker 7: been some ads in the US pointing out the greatness
27:52
Speaker 7: of this move by Trump. It shows people in the
27:55
Speaker 7: car the red lights with their engine off in the winter,
27:57
Speaker 7: freezing because the heat just stopped. Yes, this is this
28:01
Speaker 7: is what I'm getting at. You know, everything that the
28:03
Speaker 7: green left introduces about climate makes things worse, Chris.
28:07
Speaker 2: It sure does. Now, if anybody was in any doubt
28:10
Speaker 2: as to whether Barack Obama really overdid this stuff and
28:15
Speaker 2: over sold it, I always like to remind them this
28:18
Speaker 2: is my favorite grab I think of all time. These
28:20
Speaker 2: are the words direct from not the president. This was
28:24
Speaker 2: the July two thousand and eight. I think it was
28:27
Speaker 2: just when he'd won the Democrat Party nomination, and this
28:31
Speaker 2: is what he told the world.
28:33
Speaker 12: This was the moment when the rise and the oceans.
28:37
Speaker 11: Began to sell and our planet began to heal.
28:42
Speaker 2: Unbelievable Hubris.
28:44
Speaker 7: And also like, do you notice how deep he was
28:46
Speaker 7: into the Martin Luther King mode in that in that segment.
28:50
Speaker 7: This is the moment, I mean, the cadence he had,
28:53
Speaker 7: the whole thing. It was almost the parody when to
28:55
Speaker 7: look back at it. I was in the Daily Telegraph
28:57
Speaker 7: newsroom and that speech was made and everyone just sort
28:59
Speaker 7: of looked as care with each other, like did he
29:01
Speaker 7: really just say that? Did he really say that he
29:04
Speaker 7: reversed planetary conditions? Live with a bit of a dodgy moment.
29:09
Speaker 2: He was right though, he was right because the oceans
29:12
Speaker 2: haven't swamped Sydney Harbor and the planet still is beautiful.
29:17
Speaker 2: It's lovely out there. So who were we to doubt him?
29:20
Speaker 2: That was the moment. Apparently it was all sold. Thanks
29:24
Speaker 2: for talking to us, Tim, will catch you later in
29:26
Speaker 2: the week. You've got to read stuff. Tim's stuff via
29:29
Speaker 2: the Daily Telegraph website. Don't miss out on it. We're
29:32
Speaker 2: going to get to a break on the other side
29:33
Speaker 2: Angus Taylor's new coalition front bench. I'll catch up with
29:37
Speaker 2: a new shadow Minister for Small Business. Just into Namba
29:41
Speaker 2: jimper Price. Let's go to the heart of the nation now,
29:47
Speaker 2: the Red Center in Alice Springs, where we're joined by
29:50
Speaker 2: Just into Namba jimper Price. I saw you on the
29:55
Speaker 2: podcast with Karl Stefanovich the other days saying that you're
29:58
Speaker 2: going to be back. You're back by Well you are.
30:01
Speaker 2: Now you've arrived.
30:04
Speaker 1: I've arrived. I'm here.
30:06
Speaker 2: It's really good to be back. Congratulations. Tell us why
30:10
Speaker 2: small business.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 13: Small business is the backbone of this country. It's how
30:16
Speaker 13: this country was built. Once upon a time, I was
30:20
Speaker 13: a small business owner and operator. The joys that come
30:24
Speaker 13: with that, we're being able to employ people, train them,
30:28
Speaker 13: give them opportunity, is so satisfactory. But for many Australians
30:33
Speaker 13: a lot of that has gone backwards in recent times
30:36
Speaker 13: under the Albanesi government, and we need to make sure
30:39
Speaker 13: that we're supporting small businesses in this country. We are
30:44
Speaker 13: the Party of Small Government obviously, and our role really
30:49
Speaker 13: is to create an environment where small businesses can thrive.
30:52
Speaker 13: And when we get out of the way and let
30:54
Speaker 13: ossies get on with the job and that way, you know,
30:59
Speaker 13: we can ensure that people are employed though more opportunities exist,
31:04
Speaker 13: and that we can have a healthier economy that everyone's
31:08
Speaker 13: contributing meaningfully in that way. And so I'm really pleased
31:12
Speaker 13: to be given this responsibility back on the front bench,
31:16
Speaker 13: to be working with other colleagues in their portfolios. Really,
31:22
Speaker 13: I think it's such a stellar front bench and I'm
31:25
Speaker 13: just really excited to get on with this job going
31:28
Speaker 13: forward to serve the Australian people.
31:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think It's one of the most interesting things
31:32
Speaker 2: at first blash of this reshuffle to me is the
31:35
Speaker 2: focus on the economy and getting back to a liberal
31:38
Speaker 2: agenda of small government and productivity. Now doesn't sound very sexy,
31:43
Speaker 2: but when you've got to Tim Wilson, a real fire brown,
31:46
Speaker 2: a real young up and comer who is happy to
31:49
Speaker 2: take on the unions and fight hard, taking treasury, the
31:52
Speaker 2: deputy leader no less than Jane Hume, looking at productivity
31:56
Speaker 2: and deregulation, getting bureaucracy and rules out of the world
32:00
Speaker 2: way of business, and yourself as one of the absolute
32:03
Speaker 2: crowd favorites in the coalition, tackling small business, which should
32:06
Speaker 2: be at the heart and soul of any liberal government.
32:10
Speaker 2: It looks like you're going to have a really really
32:11
Speaker 2: strong focus on this sort of back to basics liberal party.
32:16
Speaker 2: Small business, enterprise, job creation.
32:22
Speaker 13: Absolutely is and I've already had members of the small
32:26
Speaker 13: business community reach out to me and congratulate me and
32:30
Speaker 13: say how pleased they are that they know that they're
32:32
Speaker 13: going to have somebody with our voice that's not afraid
32:37
Speaker 13: to use it to champion their needs on their behalf,
32:40
Speaker 13: to hold this government to account and to demonstrate that
32:43
Speaker 13: we are the alternative government for this country, and we
32:47
Speaker 13: want to fix this country. We want to restore our
32:51
Speaker 13: country it's living standards and protect our way of life.
32:55
Speaker 13: And I'm just so excited at the direction and the
32:59
Speaker 13: vision that Angus and that Jane have together as the
33:03
Speaker 13: leadership team.
33:04
Speaker 2: Now, a lot of people thought you might get Indigenous affairs.
33:07
Speaker 2: I'm glad that your talents are being used elsewhere. But
33:11
Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about Julian Lisa taking Indigenous affairs.
33:14
Speaker 2: Of course, he's had that before and resigned it to
33:18
Speaker 2: support the Voice, So how are you are you going
33:21
Speaker 2: to go and Angus Taylor and others. Obviously you have
33:24
Speaker 2: faith in him as a shadow minister in that area,
33:27
Speaker 2: even though like me, he was a supporter of the Voice. Yeah.
33:32
Speaker 13: Look, I mean Julian and I have already exchanged congratulatory
33:36
Speaker 13: messages with one another and outline the fact that look,
33:40
Speaker 13: we look forward to working together for the benefit of
33:44
Speaker 13: Australians and Indigenous Australians. And obviously for me, I've always
33:48
Speaker 13: championed the fact that we need to encourage more Aboriginal
33:51
Speaker 13: people to be independent away from government dependency, to encourage
33:56
Speaker 13: the entrepreneurs in this country to stand on their own
33:59
Speaker 13: two feet.
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Speaker 1: And look, I look forward.
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Speaker 13: To knowing that Julian and I when we're working in
34:07
Speaker 13: these positions, we're working for the benefit of this country
34:10
Speaker 13: first and foremost for the Australian people, and we can
34:13
Speaker 13: certainly do that together and work across portfolios to achieve
34:18
Speaker 13: the objectives that we want to achieve going forward. So yeah,
34:22
Speaker 13: it'll be absolutely fine. We've got our eye on the
34:27
Speaker 13: price and we're here to serve the Australian people.
34:30
Speaker 2: Great stuff. Really appreciate you joining us. Congratulations again, look
34:34
Speaker 2: forward to everything ahead of us. Just since a Namba
34:37
Speaker 2: jimper Price there now the Shadow Minister for Small Business.
34:41
Speaker 2: Now let's move on to other issues, and the Nancy
34:45
Speaker 2: Guthrie mystery is intensifying in the US as the search
34:49
Speaker 2: for the elderly mother of Today's show host Savannah Guthrie
34:52
Speaker 2: has now passed the two week mark. President Donald Trump
34:56
Speaker 2: is brought into the issue today, saying that the kidnappers
34:59
Speaker 2: of Nancy three will fight the death penalty if the
35:03
Speaker 2: eighty four year old is not found alive. It's an
35:07
Speaker 2: extraordinary intervention. As I discussed with our US analyst Kristin Tide.
35:12
Speaker 14: Well, it's been sixteen days since Savannah Gumphrie's mother was
35:17
Speaker 14: tragically abducted, and something needs to be done here. So
35:22
Speaker 14: good on the President for speaking out and making it
35:25
Speaker 14: clear that there will be harsh consequences, especially if the
35:28
Speaker 14: mother's not returned. I do have to say, you know,
35:31
Speaker 14: given how long it's been, I personally I fear the
35:35
Speaker 14: worst for her mother. I mean, I'm not sure she's
35:38
Speaker 14: alive anymore. But it's a very strange case. The whole
35:41
Speaker 14: nation has just been heartbroken for Savannah and we hope
35:47
Speaker 14: her mother is found and alive.
35:49
Speaker 2: Incredible amount of interest, as you say, a great mystery,
35:53
Speaker 2: big issue in Australia as well, because there's obviously an
35:56
Speaker 2: Australian connection. Here is Savannah Guthrie talking about the lightest.
36:01
Speaker 12: It's been two weeks since our mom was taken. We
36:06
Speaker 12: still have hope and we still believe to whoever has
36:16
Speaker 12: her or knows where she is. You're not lost oil alone,
36:23
Speaker 12: and it is never too late to do the right thing.
36:27
Speaker 2: I suppose the one benefit Christian of this having such
36:30
Speaker 2: a high profile this story is that there's three hundred
36:33
Speaker 2: and fifty million sets of eyes and he is around
36:35
Speaker 2: the us who would be looking out for any clues
36:38
Speaker 2: to what's going on here.
36:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
36:42
Speaker 14: I mean there was ring doorbell footage that was released
36:44
Speaker 14: of the suspect, but it's sort of hard to see
36:47
Speaker 14: who this person was. He was wearing a ski mask.
36:49
Speaker 14: Of course, the authorities have said what his height is.
36:54
Speaker 14: Generally you can kind of see his build, but there's
36:56
Speaker 14: just not a lot of information and it's a little
36:58
Speaker 14: bit scary for us to think something like this can happen.
37:02
Speaker 14: You know, an older woman can just be.
37:03
Speaker 1: Taken from her home and nobody can find her.
37:07
Speaker 14: And you know, you'd think with the best law enforcement
37:09
Speaker 14: in the world on the case, something would have happened
37:12
Speaker 14: by now.
37:12
Speaker 1: But no, just nothing. Nothing has really been discovered yet.
37:16
Speaker 2: It's kind of scary, extraordinary stuff. Let's go to the
37:19
Speaker 2: other end of the law enforcement scale and talk about
37:22
Speaker 2: the Epstein files. The Attorney General, Pam Bondi, has been
37:25
Speaker 2: before Congress. She says that everything that's going to be
37:27
Speaker 2: released has been released, the three hundred politicians and prominent
37:31
Speaker 2: people named in the files. But the President in the
37:35
Speaker 2: last few hours has had his say again on the
37:38
Speaker 2: Epstein files. I have nothing to hide.
37:41
Speaker 11: I've been exonerated.
37:42
Speaker 2: I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein.
37:45
Speaker 11: They went in hoping that they're finding and found just
37:47
Speaker 11: the opposite.
37:48
Speaker 2: I've been totally exonerated, totally exonerated. That has worked out
37:52
Speaker 2: pretty well for him, despite the expectations of the political
37:55
Speaker 2: left over the past couple of years.
37:57
Speaker 1: Kristen, Yeah, that's true.
38:00
Speaker 14: However, I would say this new list that was released
38:03
Speaker 14: has kind of infuriated both sides of the political aisle,
38:06
Speaker 14: just because people are really upset that there were so
38:09
Speaker 14: many millions of emails that were redacted, and also the
38:12
Speaker 14: way Pam Bondi did it kind of muddied the water
38:15
Speaker 14: on who was a predator and who was simply mentioned
38:18
Speaker 14: in an email. There were three hundred or so people
38:21
Speaker 14: that were included in her letter, as you mentioned, really.
38:24
Speaker 1: Famous people, and you had people like.
38:26
Speaker 14: You know, the songwriter Janis Joplin mentioned as one of
38:29
Speaker 14: the three hundred people. Jennis Joplin died when Jeffrey Epstein
38:33
Speaker 14: was seventeen years old. And then you have her in
38:35
Speaker 14: there with people like Lex Wexner, who was a seriously
38:38
Speaker 14: questionable guy involved in what seems like a lot of
38:41
Speaker 14: bad stuff. So all these names were kind of jumbled together.
38:44
Speaker 14: You had even like Marjorie Taylor Green mentioned as a
38:46
Speaker 14: name on this list, and yet the actual documents that
38:50
Speaker 14: you know included her name to give us context were redacted.
38:54
Speaker 14: So people would like a little more transparency. But it's
38:56
Speaker 14: a good step in the right direction. And it does
38:58
Speaker 14: seem so far that Trump has been exonerated, so that's great.
39:02
Speaker 2: Well, one person who certainly hasn't been exonerated is the
39:05
Speaker 2: former Prince Andrew Andrew mount Baton Winsor. It's getting a
39:10
Speaker 2: lot of attention. Some new photos have been brought to
39:13
Speaker 2: a lot here we can show of the Prince when
39:15
Speaker 2: he was working for British taxpyers effectively hanging around with
39:19
Speaker 2: various women who are unnamed. Is this getting a lot
39:23
Speaker 2: of attention in the US or are they focusing more
39:25
Speaker 2: on the politicians.
39:27
Speaker 14: Oh no, it's getting quite a bit of attention. And
39:30
Speaker 14: I think this could take down the entire royal family.
39:32
Speaker 14: I mean, anti monarchy sentiment is at pies right now
39:36
Speaker 14: in Britain. I saw a poll that only like fifty
39:39
Speaker 14: one percent of people there say it's very important to
39:42
Speaker 14: have a monarchy. That is down significantly from eighty six
39:45
Speaker 14: percent in the nineteen eighties, So this is very bad
39:49
Speaker 14: news for the royal family in America. Of course, Americans
39:52
Speaker 14: are very interested in this as well. It is just
39:55
Speaker 14: such a far reaching scandal that seems like it touches
39:59
Speaker 14: every part of the globe, and people are fascinated by it.
40:02
Speaker 1: But we do need more transparency.
40:04
Speaker 2: I think, Well, if you want a story that's just
40:07
Speaker 2: a little bit more bizarre even than the Epstein falls,
40:10
Speaker 2: check this one out. Barak Obama and aliens. Hell, look
40:14
Speaker 2: what we have to decide are aliens real?
40:18
Speaker 15: They're real, but I haven't seen them, and they're not
40:21
Speaker 15: being kept in h what is it? Fifty one? There's
40:26
Speaker 15: no underground facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they
40:33
Speaker 15: hit it From the President of the United.
40:34
Speaker 13: States, What was the first question you wanted answered when
40:38
Speaker 13: you became president?
40:41
Speaker 15: Where are the aliens?
40:42
Speaker 7: Were the aliens?
40:44
Speaker 2: Kristen was going from the Epstein files to the X files?
40:48
Speaker 14: I mean, that would be the first question I would
40:50
Speaker 14: want answered to fire a president. But I've always thought
40:53
Speaker 14: that all this talk of uso UFOs were a distraction
40:57
Speaker 14: from other things going on. You'll remember the end of
41:00
Speaker 14: the Biden administration, there were these weird things floating through
41:04
Speaker 14: the sky, all these drones. Americans were obsessed with, talking
41:07
Speaker 14: about it for months, and then Caroline Levitt gets up
41:10
Speaker 14: there when Trump is elected and tells us all, oh,
41:13
Speaker 14: those were just you know, authorized drones that people had.
41:16
Speaker 1: Begin to notice. And I couldn't help but.
41:18
Speaker 14: Thinking, you know, I feel like the Biden administration almost
41:22
Speaker 14: wanted the conversation to be about UFOs to distract from
41:25
Speaker 14: you know.
41:25
Speaker 1: Wide open border and the fact.
41:27
Speaker 14: That it was basically, you know, a brain dead guy
41:30
Speaker 14: in office.
41:30
Speaker 1: So could there be UFO lives out there. Maybe, But
41:33
Speaker 1: I think a.
41:34
Speaker 14: Lot of this stuff is distraction from political scat.
41:37
Speaker 2: A great political distraction. Thanks for joining us, Kristen. Great
41:40
Speaker 2: to talk to you as it.
41:41
Speaker 12: Thank you.
41:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. If I've account President, the first thing I ought
41:46
Speaker 2: to ask is why are we funding the United Nations.
41:49
Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break. On the other side,
41:52
Speaker 2: Susie I Bryan and seven Sana Ti Empire. We'll talk
41:55
Speaker 2: about the Klis reshuffle and the return the imminent turn
42:00
Speaker 2: of the isis Brides. Let's go to the panel now.
42:07
Speaker 2: Cusi O'Brien joins us from Melbourne, where she looks after
42:10
Speaker 2: education for all the news court newspapers and Steven Center
42:14
Speaker 2: Tempo is stuck poor soul in the nation's capital where
42:18
Speaker 2: he does breakfast radio, which is a lot of fun.
42:20
Speaker 2: How are you going living in Melbourne? In Canberra? You're
42:23
Speaker 2: loving it in the Capitol. Look, it's a great place
42:28
Speaker 2: to live.
42:28
Speaker 16: There's some strange people here, most of them work in
42:31
Speaker 16: this building.
42:32
Speaker 2: But look, over all it's a pretty good place. You
42:34
Speaker 2: got to say that, of course. Now it is a
42:36
Speaker 2: great place wandering around, but that building is pretty weird.
42:39
Speaker 2: Tell me how big a shakeup is this shadow cabinet
42:42
Speaker 2: going to make in that building, Stephen.
42:45
Speaker 16: Look, I think overall it's a pretty good shadow cabinet.
42:49
Speaker 16: I think the most important move that Angus Taylor's made
42:52
Speaker 16: is putting Dan teen And as the manager of Opposition business,
42:55
Speaker 16: because they've been absolutely woeful on the fall floor of
42:57
Speaker 16: Parliament and hopefully he'll be able to spark it up
43:00
Speaker 16: a little bit. Look, a senior US Wales's politician many
43:04
Speaker 16: years ago once said to me, if you've got a
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Speaker 16: cabinet of fifteen people, five of them are superstars, five
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Speaker 16: of them are hard workers without any super talent, and
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Speaker 16: five of them are a dead wood then you've got
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Speaker 16: a pretty good cabinet. I think he's done better than that.
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Speaker 16: There's a couple of mistakes. I would have put Zoe
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Speaker 16: McKenzie into a more important role. He's got rid of
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Speaker 16: a lot of dead wood. But because some of those
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Speaker 16: are factional hacks, they're probably doing more damage off the
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Speaker 16: front bench than they will on there, and then he's
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Speaker 16: had to keep a couple of them in there. But overall,
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Speaker 16: I think there's some inspired decisions. They're bringing Sarah Henderson
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Speaker 16: back into communications I think is brilliant. Tim Wilson, as
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Speaker 16: much as I'm not a fan, I think we'll do
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Speaker 16: a great job taking some bark off for Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 16: That's if he can hold his seat, of course, that's
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Speaker 16: the important thing there. But overall I think it's a
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Speaker 16: good team that should be able to take it to
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Speaker 16: the government.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Tim Wilson's got a lot of pluck.
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Speaker 2: He's already had some wins when it comes working on
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Speaker 2: I issues. So that's a really interesting appointment. Obviously, Susie,
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Speaker 2: you've got a keen interest in education, Lisa. Taking education
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Speaker 2: as well as Indigenous affairs is going to be interesting. Yeah.
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Speaker 17: I mean he's already been holding that portfolio. So yes,
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Speaker 17: I was asking my contacts this afternoon who's got education,
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Speaker 17: So he's keeping that. Look, he's been very, very good,
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Speaker 17: very strong advocate for Australian schools. Look, I think it's fascinating.
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Speaker 17: I mean, already the coalition has scene a bounce from this,
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Speaker 17: a Roy Morgan pole that came out this afternoon has
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Speaker 17: put them back up over one nation and it's really
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Speaker 17: clear look at the rhetoric that's coming from Angus Taylor,
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Speaker 17: they are chasing those one nation voters. It's almost like,
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Speaker 17: you know, they've sort of given up on some of
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Speaker 17: those key Till seats and they are chasing that one nation,
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Speaker 17: those one nation voters down.
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Speaker 1: And it was interesting.
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Speaker 17: Men were the ones who responded the most, and I
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Speaker 17: guess you would assume that because a woman's been replaced
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Speaker 17: by man, they were the ones who bounced back stronger
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Speaker 17: than anyone.
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Speaker 1: Women were kind of flat.
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Speaker 17: They didn't really change their votes in this Roy Mogan po.
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Speaker 17: But gee, I mean they are going to be really
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Speaker 17: I think, you know, as Stephen was saying, with people
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Speaker 17: like Tim Wilson, Sarah Henderson back, Jane Hume has been
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Speaker 17: a fantastic operator. I mean she's on you know, Sunrise
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Speaker 17: and like she's out there and talking in language that
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Speaker 17: people understand.
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Speaker 1: She's great.
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Speaker 17: So number one rule, I think it's onwards and upwards
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Speaker 17: for them because there's nowhere else to go.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I can't go burn down.
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Speaker 2: Number one rule for being an effective opposition is you
45:29
Speaker 2: must do media. You must hit the media. You need
45:32
Speaker 2: to be media junkies. Of course you've got to get
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Speaker 2: everything right, your key judgment's right. But there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of people in this front bench now who know how
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Speaker 2: to advocate publicly through the media. And I think we're
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Speaker 2: already seeing that. It's early days and they got a
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Speaker 2: hell of a mountain to climb, but there are promising
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Speaker 2: signs Stephen, when you see how strong the coalition has
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Speaker 2: been today when it comes to Isis Brides actually saying
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Speaker 2: no stop these people. I don't think that would have
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Speaker 2: happened a week ago under Susan Lee. No it wouldn't it.
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Speaker 16: But I think they've created a problem, and so is
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Speaker 16: the government here because legally, I don't know that they
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Speaker 16: can shut the door on these Isis Brides. They are
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Speaker 16: citizens of Australia and they are our responsibility. So I
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Speaker 16: think the strong language is great and it's going to
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Speaker 16: resonate with the electorate. But when it comes to the
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Speaker 16: rubber hitting the road and actually enforcing what they're saying
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Speaker 16: and the rhetoric, I don't know that it's actually going
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Speaker 16: to be possible.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is difficult, but as Jane him sorry, as
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson said earlier in the program, they could look
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Speaker 2: at temporary exclusion and even if they forced the government
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Speaker 2: to make sure there's proper security checks and all the
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Speaker 2: rest of it, rather than just spiriting people back in here,
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Speaker 2: I think it'll get a lot of sympathy because most
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Speaker 2: people are very worried about this. Let me just show
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Speaker 2: you again what the Prime Minister has had to say
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Speaker 2: on this today.
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Speaker 4: Well, we monitor all of these issues, but we are
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Speaker 4: not repatriating these people.
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Speaker 1: How we seek to stop them from coming to.
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Speaker 2: Australia, but we're not repatriating them.
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Speaker 8: We use, for example, the opposition suggestion of the temporary
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Speaker 8: exclusion order.
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Speaker 4: Well, what we will do on national security issues is
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Speaker 4: we deal with it appropriately upon advice.
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Speaker 2: He's just so weak, Susie. He's just so weak. He's
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Speaker 2: just saying I'll do whatever the experts tell me to do.
47:21
Speaker 2: And he's also very sneaky by saying we're not repatriating
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Speaker 2: them and in other words, we're not flying them here.
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Speaker 2: It's not a government operation. But he's not suggesting he's
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Speaker 2: going to do anything to stop them.
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Speaker 17: Well, I heard other quotes where he was saying, they
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Speaker 17: made their bed, they line them, we're doing nothing to
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Speaker 17: help them. So there are other quotes where he is
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Speaker 17: much stronger than that. And I think the opposition, really,
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Speaker 17: the new invigorated opposition, was really pushing him to say
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Speaker 17: something on that. He absolutely needed to come out, you know,
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Speaker 17: no more weezer words sitting in the background. He really
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Speaker 17: needed to come out and be strong on this issue
47:56
Speaker 17: because this is a key point of difference between the
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Speaker 17: two parties now. And you've got Hanson in the background,
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Speaker 17: and she was already goading the opposition. She was saying
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Speaker 17: today they won't go far enough. So it's an absolutely
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Speaker 17: fascinating kind of litmus test for the power of these
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Speaker 17: parties and to see how they're positioning themselves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell you what. I ran that grab earlier
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Speaker 2: where he said they made their bed, they lie on it.
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Speaker 2: But then Stephen, there's not going to be any follow through.
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Speaker 2: He was creating his mum. But there's no follow through.
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Speaker 16: No, And that's the point, you know, there never is
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Speaker 16: any follow through is there with this bloke. It's been
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Speaker 16: I think Angus Taylor said, the worst government in Australia's history.
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Speaker 16: Well at least the worst since Whitlam, that's for sure.
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Speaker 16: But you know, I mean, the rhetoric on border security
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Speaker 16: from labor for the last twenty years has been lacking.
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Speaker 16: And now that we've got effectively a lame duck Prime Minister,
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Speaker 16: despite the fact that he's got ninety four seats in
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Speaker 16: the Lower House, what do we expect?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed we will see. Now a happy New Year
48:58
Speaker 2: to both you and year tonight. So the Year of
49:02
Speaker 2: the Horse. I hope you're all back a decent horse
49:04
Speaker 2: this year in some stage, so O'Brien and Steven sanatiempo there.
49:09
Speaker 2: I've just got some pictures here of the lunar New
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Speaker 2: Year celebrations underway in Sydney's Chinatown earlier today. The Year
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Speaker 2: of the Horse. Indeed, I'm hoping it'll be the Year
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Speaker 2: of the crow. We'll see what happens. Just some of
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Speaker 2: your feedback now on what I had to say last
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Speaker 2: night about Anthony Albanezi and his weakness on all these
49:27
Speaker 2: issues of anti Semitism and Islamist extremism and the like.
49:32
Speaker 2: Jared says, the leader of the country should stand up
49:34
Speaker 2: for the police and condemn the law breakers, spineless weakling.
49:39
Speaker 2: Another viewer says, week men create hard times. The police
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Speaker 2: did a fantastic job, moved the disruptors on anyway possible.
49:46
Speaker 2: We've had a gutfull and another viewer says, thanks Chris.
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Speaker 2: Keep holding them to account. That's what we do, that's
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Speaker 2: what we're here for. I'll be back tomorrow night. And
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Speaker 2: here's Peter Creedlin.