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The Sound of Star Wars · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1: I'm going to recruit this Welcome to the note party.
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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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Speaker 2: The Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
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Speaker 2: are listening to aggressive negotiations.
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Speaker 3: That's right, it's aggressive negotiations. The Star Wars podcast that
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Speaker 3: delves into nooks, crannies and crevice's you never knew existed
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Speaker 3: in the galaxy far far away. I am one of
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Speaker 3: your humble hosts, Jedi Master John Mills and joining me
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Speaker 3: on this journey once more, forever more. Possibly don't know
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Speaker 3: we lost the map on how to get out of Hyperspace,
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Speaker 3: Jedi Master Matthew Rushing, Matt, do you know where the
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Speaker 3: damn map is?
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Speaker 1: I'm panicking here. I was laughing when you said crevices.
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Speaker 4: I was like, did we get lost in one of
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Speaker 4: the fold some job of the hut here?
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Speaker 3: You know what if that's where the topics are, that's
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Speaker 3: where we're going, Matt. That people should expect that by
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Speaker 3: this point with this show, And something that they should
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Speaker 3: also expect is that if they're enjoying the show, they
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Speaker 3: should go over to Apple Podcasts and drop us a
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Speaker 3: rating and review. Look, we know that we ask so
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Speaker 3: much of everybody to go over and tiel star rating
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Speaker 3: and review.
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Speaker 1: But it's all we ask of you.
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Speaker 3: All we will ever ask of you, and we would
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Speaker 3: appreciate it if you did. And Matt, we have another
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Speaker 3: one of our surprise topics sort.
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Speaker 1: Of nights going on.
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Speaker 3: We'll having a little bit of fun with this, and
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Speaker 3: you know what, first and foremost, before we get into
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Speaker 3: the topic, I just want to say, from Matt and
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Speaker 3: myself out to everybody, we hope everybody's doing okay, all right, yeah,
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Speaker 3: genuine side noe. Just I know it's weird to open
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Speaker 3: the show like this, but you know what, here we
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Speaker 3: are in summer twenty twenty five and everybody just seems
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Speaker 3: to get more and more angsty. Let's be more Jedi,
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Speaker 3: let's be more Qui Gone going forward, and let's let's
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Speaker 3: roll with little.
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Speaker 4: Mar Yeah, let's go a little more zen out there,
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Speaker 4: you know.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little a little bit more zen, a little
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Speaker 3: bit more zen. Even Yoda in the sixth season of
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Speaker 3: The Clone Wars realized, you know, everything's going to work
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Speaker 3: out too, shall pass, That's right, But what won't pass
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Speaker 3: is this idea that I have in my head for
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Speaker 3: what we're going to talk about, which comes from a
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Speaker 3: conversation we were having before we started recording. Okay, so
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Speaker 3: you mentioned how a friend of ours, Yancey, and myself
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Speaker 3: just listened to a brand new audiobook interpretation of Shadows
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Speaker 3: of the Empire. Now, you and I, there's an episode
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Speaker 3: of Aggressive Negotiations. We'll reference it in the show notes
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Speaker 3: that you can go back and listen to us rereading it.
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Speaker 3: I just went and I listened to this audiobook and
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Speaker 3: I enjoyed it more this time than the last time.
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Speaker 1: You know, you can try our meetings and everything like that.
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Speaker 1: I did. I enjoyed it more. It was fun. It
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Speaker 1: was a lot of fun.
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Speaker 3: Really captured the spirit that maybe I was missing on
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Speaker 3: the most recent reread.
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Speaker 1: Anyway. Two questions.
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Speaker 3: First question, do you think that this is going to
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Speaker 3: generate a rebirth of interest in Star Wars books, which
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Speaker 3: has flagged over recent years by revisiting the classics and
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Speaker 3: making them available as audio editions. And two, given the
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Speaker 3: podcast streaming audiobooks Spotify environment, do you think it's time
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Speaker 3: for Lucasfilm finally to re embrace the radio drama, which
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Speaker 3: they did so well with the original trilogy.
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Speaker 4: I love this question, John, and you know, I think
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Speaker 4: back to a few years ago. I'd been reviewing the
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Speaker 4: Star Wars books for the longest time, and one of
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Speaker 4: the things that they they did was they did that
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Speaker 4: Dooku Jedi Lost audio drama, which is, yeah, phenomenal. The
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Speaker 4: production value is fantastic, h and you know, a full
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Speaker 4: cast and all the sound effects and everything like that
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Speaker 4: so well done. And you know, I grew up listening
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Speaker 4: to audio dramas as well as as a kid. I
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Speaker 4: loved them like a radio show that I would I
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Speaker 4: would listen to all the time, my sister and I
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Speaker 4: and so I'm predisposed to love this stuff, right, And
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Speaker 4: so when this came out, I thought it was a
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Speaker 4: great medium to dive into because it was almost like
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Speaker 4: listening to an episode of the Clone Wars right in
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Speaker 4: in a format where they just did such a good job.
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Speaker 4: So I think that there really is something to this
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Speaker 4: to to be able to create stories in this this
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Speaker 4: type of format that like the Extended Universe novels that
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Speaker 4: we loved, you know, started with Air to the Empire
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Speaker 4: and beyond, you know, to go back and tell stories
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Speaker 4: in this manner that can fill in those wonderful little
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Speaker 4: gaps that we have in all of these characters' lives,
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Speaker 4: I think is pretty fantastic. And obviously, you know, one
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Speaker 4: of the things that has been kind of filling that
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Speaker 4: kind of void is you know, the Tales of series
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Speaker 4: that they've been doing in animation, which both of you
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Speaker 4: and I very big fans of. We've we've been you know,
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Speaker 4: big proponents of people going to watch those. It's great stuff.
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Speaker 4: But this I think is really an untapped medium to
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Speaker 4: be able to tell Star Wars stories uh and really
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Speaker 4: interesting and powerful ways, and to experience Star Wars uh,
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Speaker 4: you know, in in new and fascinating ways. And I
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Speaker 4: am surprised that we haven't gotten more of this. Now
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Speaker 4: they have to their to their credit, uh, you know,
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Speaker 4: Star Wars has done this in other series. They did
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Speaker 4: this in the High Republic series. They actually did a
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Speaker 4: couple of audio dramas and people seem to like those.
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Speaker 4: So it's not as though they have not continued this.
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Speaker 4: But I'm surprised that we don't have a more regular
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Speaker 4: like every year, you know, one of these comes out.
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Speaker 3: Right, and that I think hits the nail on the
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Speaker 3: head is especially in the crowded content field. We were
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Speaker 3: talking about this in a whole different context. Recently, in
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Speaker 3: a crowded content field, content's just getting more and more hectic,
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Speaker 3: and it's just more and more of just a fire
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Speaker 3: hose turned on everybody. And the only shot you have
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Speaker 3: at keeping your IP alive is you have to flood
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Speaker 3: the content in. And the thing is, I will I
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Speaker 3: will throw Stranger Things under the bus right now. I
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Speaker 3: understand there are different production considerations and stuff like that,
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Speaker 3: but any TV show, not just Stranger Things, but any
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Speaker 3: TV show which has taken two to three year breaks. Yep,
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Speaker 3: that's why people cool on these things. The whole reason
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Speaker 3: that you go back to the golden era of television,
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Speaker 3: which I contend goes through the nineteen nineties, are agreed,
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Speaker 3: and maybe even the early two thousands, is you had
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Speaker 3: something every single week. When something caught on, you could
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Speaker 3: hammer people with it. You can't let up on the gas.
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Speaker 3: So to your point, yes, I should have a new
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Speaker 3: audiobook on a regular basis. I should have a subscription
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Speaker 3: feed on a regular basis. They should be making it
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Speaker 3: available through Disney Plus or little tastes of it on
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Speaker 3: Disney Plus, where it's like, hey, check out our audio books.
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Speaker 3: They have all of these outlets open to them and
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Speaker 3: they don't take advantage of them, which blows my mind.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And in terms of, like, you know, radio dramas, wouldn't
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Speaker 3: it be great just we just had the renaissance with
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Speaker 3: the anniversary re releases, a Phantom Menace and Revenge of
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Speaker 3: the Sith. Yeah, let's do a radio drama, guys, come on?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think that is actually a fantastic idea
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Speaker 4: because in that you know what you can do, especially
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Speaker 4: you know, you think of creating a radio drama that's
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Speaker 4: based off of Stover's Episode three novelization. Oh my gosh,
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Speaker 4: can you imagine how? Because that novelization is the high
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Speaker 4: water mark of Star Wars novelizations. It's up there with
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Speaker 4: the greatest of Star Wars books because what it did
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Speaker 4: is it took one of the very best Star Wars
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Speaker 4: movies that was ever made and it made it even better,
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Speaker 4: right because it gave you that insight into the characters
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Speaker 4: with that moment, this is Anakin Skywalker, this is Obi
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Speaker 4: wan Kenobi, which filled in those places that you always
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Speaker 4: wanted to go and allows you to experience the characters
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Speaker 4: that you would always love in a way that expanded
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Speaker 4: your knowledge of who they were by getting to explore
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Speaker 4: pieces of information that brought them to life in a
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Speaker 4: whole new way. And so I couldn't imagine a better way,
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Speaker 4: you know, to then celebrate Star Wars than by doing
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Speaker 4: something like you just mentioned well.
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Speaker 3: And I think additionally, you know, you go back to
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Speaker 3: the original Star Wars radio dramas and Jedi unfortunately doesn't
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Speaker 3: live up to the first two, and it's because they
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Speaker 3: took so long to get around to it. There were
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Speaker 3: only six episodes. Brian Daley was ill at the time
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Speaker 3: their hold. But it's fun in its own regard. But
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Speaker 3: I go back to Star Wars and Empire, and there
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Speaker 3: are so many things that are different. It embraced the
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Speaker 3: fact that the medium was different. It frees you up
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Speaker 3: in a certain way, and I think it allows you
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Speaker 3: to do certain things where other act get the opportunity
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Speaker 3: to perform these beloved characters and bring their own spin
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Speaker 3: on things. And in addition to their own spin, you
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Speaker 3: get to the essence of what makes the character the character.
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Speaker 3: If I change the actor who's playing the character, doesn't
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Speaker 3: change the character.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 3: If I change certain dialogue, does it change the character? No,
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Speaker 3: Like you suddenly under you get a better understanding of
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Speaker 3: character by the fact that different people. It's just like
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Speaker 3: a Broadway play. Yeah, I didn't see Michael Crawford play
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Speaker 3: the Phantom of the Opera. I saw Steve Barton play
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Speaker 3: the Fano of the Opera. Steve Barton was the original role.
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Speaker 3: He did it differently similar enough because it's a big
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Speaker 3: Broadway production sort of thing. But he did Phantom in
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Speaker 3: his own way. It was his voice, it was his mannerisms,
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Speaker 3: it was his speaking, it was his movement. That gets
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Speaker 3: that you know, that gets further to that core, you know,
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Speaker 3: because Christopher Lee wasn't in Dooku Jedi Lost, right, but
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Speaker 3: it was still Doku well.
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Speaker 4: And I mean again to point to the clone Wars, right,
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Speaker 4: they helped us to be able to see how different
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Speaker 4: voice actors could bring characters together and and vibe them
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Speaker 4: with a whole new sense of being. You know, James
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Speaker 4: Arnold Taylor or Obi Wan Kenobi or Matt Lantern as Anakin.
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Speaker 4: You know, in some ways, you know, you think about
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Speaker 4: those those two specifically. I mean, they are an expression
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Speaker 4: of those characters that some kids that's all they've ever known.
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Speaker 3: Oh you know what, I actually I want to interject
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Speaker 3: there really really funny really quick is when when my
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Speaker 3: youngest saw Revenge of the Sith for the first time,
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Speaker 3: it was in the theater re release that was recent
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Speaker 3: compared to when we're releasing this to whatever historian finds
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Speaker 3: this on a disc lost somewhere three hundred years from now.
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Speaker 3: I'm talking relative time here anyway. So in the beginning,
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Speaker 3: Hayden Christensen walks out, you know, in that little intro
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Speaker 3: where it's like, hey, thanks everybody for coming to this
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Speaker 3: special anniversary President blah blah blah blah blah. To her,
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Speaker 3: Matt Lanter's voice was Anakin's voice, right, because she had
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Speaker 3: been watching the Clone Wars up to that point. When
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Speaker 3: Hayden Christiansen walks out, she leans over to me and
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Speaker 3: she says, oh, I can tell that's Anakin. And I
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Speaker 3: didn't say anything to her, but in my head I
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Speaker 3: was like, Wow, what a tribute to Matt Lanter that
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Speaker 3: to her, there's no difference between these two people like that.
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Speaker 3: That I think speaks to what we're talking about. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: where you can have it in different media but people
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Speaker 3: will still accept it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, when you think
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Speaker 4: too about this, you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 4: you mentioned kind of at the top of the show,
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Speaker 4: was the whole idea of, you know, does this kind
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Speaker 4: of help revitalize you know, Star Wars fiction, which you
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Speaker 4: know has had a rough time.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: I'm actually reading a review cop right now of the
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Speaker 4: bad Batch Sanctuary novel that is going to come out
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Speaker 4: later this year, enjoying it. But I'm thinking to myself
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Speaker 4: as I'm reading it, how wonderful would it be to
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Speaker 4: have a full audio production of this book with all
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Speaker 4: of the actors from the bad Batch series playing these
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Speaker 4: characters in an audio drama version of this It would
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Speaker 4: be astounding, you know, because it would be like having
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Speaker 4: an episode of the show, but in this format, which
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, if if you're going to do
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Speaker 4: these things, this is I gosh, this is the way
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Speaker 4: to go, man, I think, because you could really bring
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Speaker 4: people back to Star Wars fiction and by then also
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Speaker 4: doing great dramatizations of some of the very best of
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Speaker 4: the expanded universe, Like say, can you imagine doing this
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Speaker 4: with a audio drama version of the Air to the
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Speaker 4: Empire series?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? You couldn't.
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Speaker 4: Just me from buying all of them as fast as
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Speaker 4: humanly possible.
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Speaker 1: And and to your point.
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Speaker 3: It's not just somebody reading the book that's fun. An
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Speaker 3: audiobook is fun. And again I will sing praises on
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Speaker 3: Shadows of the Empire. They did just the right amount
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Speaker 3: of production on it. It was really well done and
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Speaker 3: it was read really well. But taking Air of the
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Speaker 3: Empire and making it a proper script with a voice cast,
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Speaker 3: and paying attention to the way they did the way
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Speaker 3: that Brian Daily created those original ones, you could have
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Speaker 3: real magic there, real real magic there. And agree, I
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Speaker 3: think that I think that the thing that gives me
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Speaker 3: hope is that it seems that in this Disney era,
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Speaker 3: what hobbled some efforts was this desire to control and
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Speaker 3: unify all of the media to tell one single story.
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Speaker 3: And I think, especially for an old Geezer fan like myself,
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Speaker 3: we always accepted that that wasn't necessary. These were, you know,
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Speaker 3: the comics were the additional adventures of Luke and Hahn
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Speaker 3: and leg.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't care.
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Speaker 3: Oh that doesn't jibe with what's on it. We didn't care.
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Speaker 3: We just wanted our monthly fix. We just wanted some content.
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Speaker 3: And again it gets back to that whole thing of
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Speaker 3: like just giving that content, and I think it would
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Speaker 3: be so beautiful, even if you did like a fifteen
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Speaker 3: minute weekly show where it was story like you and
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Speaker 3: you broke it up as like, imagine the story possibilities
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Speaker 3: of a Jedi trying to survive Order sixty six. Or
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Speaker 3: you want to tell the story of the origin of
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Speaker 3: the Jedi. We were talked about this on the recent show.
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Speaker 3: You want to tell a story about the origin of
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Speaker 3: the Jedi. Here's your formata and now you're not locked in.
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Speaker 3: It's not a film and your uh, your your whole
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Speaker 3: return on investment is different. Your expenditure is different, your
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Speaker 3: distribution is different, your presence is different. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 3: talking myself into doing something now and just be like,
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Speaker 3: let Disney come after me. This is this is uh
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Speaker 3: uh my name is Matt Rushing, and Disney consume me
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Speaker 3: at Matt Rushing zero two on any social networks. Remember
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Speaker 3: that name is Matt Rushing. Yes, go after him, Disney Wolds, yes, yes.
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Speaker 4: Please please don't.
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Speaker 1: Uh No.
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Speaker 4: I I see the thing about this is and I
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Speaker 4: you know, I just couldn't agree with you more. I
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Speaker 4: think that there's there's just kind of so much to
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Speaker 4: love here about this idea and what it does is
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Speaker 4: it really gives us the opportunity to to just be
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Speaker 4: able to enjoy uh Star Wars in a new way,
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Speaker 4: you know, and you and Yancy living that experience of
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Speaker 4: of of getting to hear a great audio version of
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Speaker 4: Shadows of the Empire and it bringing the book to
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Speaker 4: life to you in a way that made you think,
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Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this is like way better than I remember.
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Speaker 4: I think that's that's kind of the beauty of what
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Speaker 4: we're talking about, Like you're you're actually allowing people to
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Speaker 4: be able to then experience things that may make them
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Speaker 4: fall in love with it in a way that they
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Speaker 4: weren't in love with it before. Uh And and in
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Speaker 4: that experience, people then are hungry then to go and
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Speaker 4: search for more, you know, because you know, I don't
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Speaker 4: think Yancy will mind me saying this, but one of
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Speaker 4: the things that happened is that he immediately went and
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Speaker 4: listened to the audiobook version of Rogue Planet that had
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Speaker 4: also just come out. Because of his experience that he
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Speaker 4: had with the Shadows of the Empire, he immediately thought, well, man,
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Speaker 4: I want more of this. So he went and picked
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Speaker 4: up Rogue Planet and he listened to it. And so
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Speaker 4: when you do that you're just you know, you're encouraging
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Speaker 4: people then to go explore more of the content because
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Speaker 4: they liked something so much, they're like, oh, I want
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Speaker 4: more of this, and you know if you provide it,
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Speaker 4: if you build it, they will come.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: That's that's what they say. And so I would love
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Speaker 4: to see them build more of these things so that
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Speaker 4: when people enjoy something like Shadows of the Empire, they
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Speaker 4: can immediately be pointed to, if you liked that, you
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Speaker 4: should try this. And that's just all about creating that
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Speaker 4: content to make sure that it's there.
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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if they had done something like this
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Speaker 3: and then you tease it on Disney Plus and stuff
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Speaker 3: like that for galaxies Edge to sell the place as
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Speaker 3: a place you wanted to go. If you had an
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Speaker 3: audio series Tales from galaxies Edge, Tails from the Galaxy's Edge,
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Speaker 3: and it's it's not just centered around the Kylo Renen
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Speaker 3: character or anything like that. They can you know, come
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Speaker 3: and go as you need them to. But you could
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Speaker 3: actually tell those stories because look, I hate to break
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Speaker 3: it to everybody, as just as a closing point, kids
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Speaker 3: ain't reading no more. They're they're not They're they're scrolling
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Speaker 3: on on their devices.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that like old man shaking his physic clouds.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not yelling at the cloud right, I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: like it's rare for books to move. Now. This is it.
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Speaker 3: This is how you're going to revitalize what was your
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Speaker 3: expanded universe in the past and move it beyond the
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Speaker 3: Gen xers and older millennials who are still okay with reading.
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Speaker 3: And I said, people aren't giving up reading because they're dumb.
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Speaker 3: They're giving up reading just because it takes a lot
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Speaker 3: of time and you can engage somebody a lot faster
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Speaker 3: and you can get anyway. I think we've made our point.
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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be labor it or anything like that.
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Speaker 3: I think it would be great if the taste makers
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Speaker 3: and producers somehow heard this. I'll offer my services for free.
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Speaker 3: I think you would too. Matt Will Will Will be
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Speaker 3: your your initial group to get this moving inside the
20:36
Speaker 3: hallowed halls of Disney and Lucasfilm. Just you know, I'll
20:41
Speaker 3: show up for a weekend. I'll just pitch some ideas
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Speaker 3: that you guys walk out there. You go, free charge,
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Speaker 3: free charge. Just put my face like a little stamp
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Speaker 3: on every single product you sell.
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Speaker 1: That's all I'm going to ask him at her. So
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Speaker 1: that's a boy. I'll kill sales.
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Speaker 3: But what won't kill sales is if people reach out
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Speaker 3: to you online.
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Speaker 1: Matt, where can people find you?
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Speaker 4: Well, you could find me all over social media under
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Speaker 4: the name Matt Rushing zero two, So just search the
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Speaker 4: media platform if I'm there, that's the name I'm under.
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Speaker 4: Of course, here on the network, there's a completed show
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Speaker 4: I did with Dre Kaufman talk about every single chapter
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Speaker 4: of the Harry Potter series one chapter of time. Speaking
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Speaker 4: of books. Also over on the TFM network doing a
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Speaker 4: bunch of shows once called the six Oho two Club,
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Speaker 4: which is a show where we talk about all of
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Speaker 4: the franchises we love. John's a frequent guest. We also
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Speaker 4: cross over with Star Wars episodes here with Aggressive Negotiations
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Speaker 4: or so. I'm also doing a lot of great Star
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Speaker 4: Trek up over there with my wonderful friend Chris Jones.
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Speaker 4: So if you like that franchise, that is the place
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Speaker 4: to be. But John, you know, if people would like
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Speaker 4: to talk to you, maybe they have some great ideas
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Speaker 4: of you know, stories that they would love to see
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Speaker 4: in this format where could people find you.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, you could go ahead and you can find
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Speaker 3: me as Kessel Junkie on your social network of choice
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Speaker 3: best one, and I think is letterboxed because all I
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Speaker 3: can do is talk about movies. You can also find
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Speaker 3: me on good Reads for those nerds out there like
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Speaker 3: me who are still reading. I'm active on that platform.
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Speaker 3: Name again is Kessel Junkie. And of course here on
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Speaker 3: the network you can hear me co hosting a series
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Speaker 3: with Darren Moser and Trisian Radel called house Lights, where
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Speaker 3: we talk about the works of different directors. We just
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Speaker 3: wrapped up Wes Craven and we're talking about Spike Jones
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Speaker 3: and if you have an idea for any directors, go
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Speaker 3: ahead and reach out to us.
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Speaker 1: And let us know. I'm just saying, Joseph Kasinski, I'm
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Speaker 1: on board. I'm already sold. I'm already on board.
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Speaker 3: I'm huge fan of the guy, and hopefully we can
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Speaker 3: get there and if they're listening, I hope that they
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Speaker 3: finally listen to me and we do a series about
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Speaker 3: Catherine Bigelow, because talk about a great director. People have
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Speaker 3: slept on over the years, but I had to go
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Speaker 3: back and I have to go into the Jedi archives,
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Speaker 3: and I have to reorganize Yoda's DVD collection so that yeah, right,
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Speaker 3: there's some classics in there, i'll tell you, but he's
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Speaker 3: into one of the he's there's some weird stuff in there.
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Speaker 1: The less I say, the better. But I think it's
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Speaker 1: time we close these negotiations.
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Speaker 4: John, negotiations are closed.
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Speaker 2: Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party,