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Gordie Chiesa on National Coaches Day, We'll find out how good Will Hardy is now that Jazz want to win (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiesa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy. Come for the Hoops Talk.
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  Speaker 2: Stay for his list of the day.
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  Speaker 1: My list today.
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  Speaker 2: Here's OC with basketball savant Gordy Chiesa on the Sean
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  Speaker 2: O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, hey, hey.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing will matter with your head. Baby, find it. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome in our resident NBA guru, Gordy Chiesa, the longtime
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  Speaker 3: coach at all levels of basketball.
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  Speaker 1: And it's your day, Gordy. It's National Coaches Day.
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  Speaker 4: Sean, yes it is. Today, October 6th, is recognized as
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  Speaker 4: National Coaches Day where, in all sports, where athletic and
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  Speaker 4: life coaches are being honored. because of their mentoring, how
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  Speaker 4: they motivate, how they instill lifetime positive values. So it's
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  Speaker 4: really a big thing. And think about, Sean, anyone who's
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  Speaker 4: been successful in any sport, there was a coach in
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  Speaker 4: your life or coaches that helped you gain where you
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  Speaker 4: were as far as positivity.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, coaches, I think, still feel a really important
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  Speaker 3: role in kids' lives, young men's lives at the college level,
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  Speaker 3: probably still at the professional level, although I never played
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  Speaker 3: professional team sports Gordy. And I guess I want to
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  Speaker 3: start there when you're, when you're talking about the professional ranks, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like coaches in little league, they do it for the
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  Speaker 3: love of the kids, the love of the game in
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  Speaker 3: high school. I think it's still mostly that in college,
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  Speaker 3: there's some combination of that. And obviously it's an incredibly
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  Speaker 3: lucrative business and the professional success and the reputation and,
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  Speaker 3: and the, the winning matters more than anything else. When
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  Speaker 3: you get to professional ranks and you're still dealing with,
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  Speaker 3: at the NBA level, all these young people that are
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  Speaker 3: in formative years, are becoming who they're going to be,
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  Speaker 3: is there room for coaches to fill that mentorship, father-type
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  Speaker 3: role still in professional sports?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, very much. And a lot of it is to
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  Speaker 4: instill those people confidence. So besides building up their skill set,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people... which is perfectly normal, even though
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  Speaker 4: they're bravado as far as outwardly inwardly, sometimes they lack confidence.
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  Speaker 4: And when you're around players, you can see their personalities,
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  Speaker 4: what makes them go and what makes them hesitant. And
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  Speaker 4: as coaches, we try to bring the best out of
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  Speaker 4: each person at their potential. And that's why I always
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  Speaker 4: talk about you see it and feel it for the players.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes as a coach, you know, it's better to, for
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  Speaker 4: the player that he knows himself of what he can do,
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  Speaker 4: what he accomplished. Because a lot of times it's like
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  Speaker 4: a hidden mechanism where if I try and I fail,
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  Speaker 4: then it wasn't worth it versus the opposite where you
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  Speaker 4: want to be the best you can be and the
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  Speaker 4: coach will bring your best out of you and there's
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  Speaker 4: no such thing as failure if you give it your best.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what coaches do at every single level, especially
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  Speaker 4: in the pros. I like to think that every successful coach,
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  Speaker 4: especially in college and in the pros, they listen, they challenge,
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  Speaker 4: they develop, they connect, and they inspire. And those five
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  Speaker 4: attributes is a winning formula between the coaches and the player.
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  Speaker 3: For this Utah Jazz franchise right now, the coach... We've
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  Speaker 3: talked about him a lot over the years. Will Hardy
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  Speaker 3: has been in a really awkward situation where he's trying
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  Speaker 3: to achieve all the normal goals and the things that
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  Speaker 3: you just talked about while also playing this game of
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  Speaker 3: tanking and maximizing draft positioning and things like that. And
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  Speaker 3: I think I've asked some form of this question several times,
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  Speaker 3: but the reality is upon us where he will have
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  Speaker 3: to flip the switch, and he will have to be
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  Speaker 3: the best version of himself, and he will have to manage...
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  Speaker 3: things like playing time and injuries in a real way
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  Speaker 3: instead of a manufactured way, and the difficulty of doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Give me some sense of the challenge ahead of Will
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  Speaker 3: Hardy there.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the accountability defensively. So the challenge will be is
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  Speaker 4: that how can we remain an offensive force, which the
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  Speaker 4: Jets really are. They can score the ball, but now
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  Speaker 4: it comes to accountability on the other side of the floor,
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  Speaker 4: and that's playing defensively. So, Sean, usually speaking, there's an
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  Speaker 4: element of hurt feelings. Hurt feelings. Because you're asking players
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  Speaker 4: to do things that they don't want to do naturally.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why I play defense and be able to
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  Speaker 4: run down the floor and get yourself set and all
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  Speaker 4: the things that most times defensively that it hurts. It
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  Speaker 4: hurts your body to get over screening action, to play
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  Speaker 4: help to help with defense, to run in transition and
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  Speaker 4: build a wall, to take away, we'll say tonight, Jamal
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  Speaker 4: Murray's penetration versus the Jazz versus the Nuggets or be
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  Speaker 4: early position to try to take on Jokic if he
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  Speaker 4: does play as a Jazz tonight as far as him
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  Speaker 4: being a laser passer. So these are all things. that
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  Speaker 4: the jazz have to try to improve dramatically. And there's,
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  Speaker 4: it starts with accountability. And I'm sure the coaches, they
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  Speaker 4: know this and the players, I'm sure we'll find out
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  Speaker 4: very shortly. So there'll be element of hurt feelings and
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  Speaker 4: her feelings, Sean are good in the pros, because that
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  Speaker 4: means that you're challenging them about where we're playing to win.
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  Speaker 4: And that's really the essence of the whole thing, especially
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  Speaker 4: in the pro ranks and college and high school, there's
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  Speaker 4: mixed emotions and, and, um, You want to win, certainly,
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  Speaker 4: but you're still developing someone's personality. The pros, it's a
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  Speaker 4: business all the way.
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  Speaker 3: We started the show today, Gordy, talking about the Oregon quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: Dante Moore, who's got to make a decision on risking
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  Speaker 3: further injury, coming back. He's a projected top draft pick,
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  Speaker 3: all these things. You've got to weigh in a lot
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  Speaker 3: of different factors when you're trying to get yourself back
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  Speaker 3: on the field.
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  Speaker 1: For any team.
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  Speaker 3: And in the recent years for the Utah jazz, as
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  Speaker 3: soon as somebody broke a fingernail, it was like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: we can shut that guy down or we don't have
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  Speaker 3: to rush him back because again, you're not really trying
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  Speaker 3: to win. Now this year you have to manage those
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  Speaker 3: injury situations a lot more carefully and you got to
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  Speaker 3: maximize someone's potential and contributions while also preserving their longevity. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: How as a coach do you do that? How as
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  Speaker 3: a coach do you handle that with players? How involved
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  Speaker 3: does the medical staff have to be here? Because the
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  Speaker 3: Jazz are going to now try to get guys back
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  Speaker 3: on the court as quickly as they can.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. So the first thing is that the coaching staff
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  Speaker 4: added the equation. It's based on a medical team. The
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  Speaker 4: doctor is determined and the athletic trainer determined. They are
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  Speaker 4: the key parts of it, of a player can play
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  Speaker 4: or not. And within that, the trainer especially, he knows
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  Speaker 4: the player's personality and their innately pain threshold. Again, certain
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  Speaker 4: players can play through pain. And I'm not saying long-term pain.
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  Speaker 4: I just mean as far as you have a sprained
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  Speaker 4: wrist or different level of that, obviously. But the trainer
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  Speaker 4: knows that, and they determine if a player is ready
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  Speaker 4: to play. and especially in the playoff games. Most guys
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  Speaker 4: want to play, absolutely, in playoff games. But if it
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  Speaker 4: hurts them as far as long-term, they're going to sit
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  Speaker 4: them out. So the doctors decide the coaches have no
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  Speaker 4: input in that at all.
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  Speaker 3: Gordy Chiesa is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
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  Speaker 3: talking all things basketball, coaching NBA basketball right now. Also,
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  Speaker 3: the NBA, Gordy, is experimenting in this preseason with smart basketballs.
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  Speaker 3: and like, uh, Apple watches basically for the referees where
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  Speaker 3: they could communicate with the replay center and things like that. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: more technology being added into the game of basketball. We've
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  Speaker 3: already seen in every sport, how officials jobs can get,
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  Speaker 3: you know, cleaned up.
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  Speaker 1: They can get calls a little bit more accurate.
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  Speaker 3: The replays make sure that Exactly what is supposed to
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  Speaker 3: be called does get called in most cases. And now
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  Speaker 3: the smart basketball, the ball itself providing some data could eventually,
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  Speaker 3: not this year, but could eventually change that and dial
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  Speaker 3: things in even further. What do you make of these
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  Speaker 3: technological advances in the game of basketball?
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  Speaker 4: I'm all for it very much. Again, with AI being involved,
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  Speaker 4: to say the least, is that it's the next generation
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  Speaker 4: of it, and it should. So short describing right now,
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  Speaker 4: we're Wilson Sporting Goods, who makes the NBA basketball. And
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  Speaker 4: they're going to have this ball where it's sensory, and
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  Speaker 4: that is able to determine, basically... to help the referee
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  Speaker 4: make a decision. Sean, for example, if the ball is
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  Speaker 4: out of bounds and the ref couldn't see it totally
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  Speaker 4: and he makes the call and suddenly the ball would
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  Speaker 4: tell the referee, who touched the ball to go out
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  Speaker 4: of bounds. And I'm not talking about the last two
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  Speaker 4: minutes of the game where you can go to monitor.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just talking in general about doing it. And so
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  Speaker 4: they have the technology to do that. And also with the,
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  Speaker 4: you mentioned about Apple, it means that the referees have
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  Speaker 4: on their wrist, they can communicate with the replay center
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  Speaker 4: in Seacoast, New Jersey, about scoring changes. Was it a
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  Speaker 4: two-point shot or was it a three-point shot? Was there
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  Speaker 4: a clock malfunction? And was it uh, reviewable? Some of
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  Speaker 4: the different things, you know, really increase as far as
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  Speaker 4: a takeaway time. So a big factor in the NBA,
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  Speaker 4: the world's perfect showing they like to have, because the
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  Speaker 4: TV purposes have every NBA game finished between two hours
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  Speaker 4: and 10 minutes, two hours and 15 minutes so that
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  Speaker 4: they could have after the game, um, have the star
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  Speaker 4: player on the court interview him a quick day called stand-up,
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  Speaker 4: and then the next game starts, let's say, at 7.30
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  Speaker 4: at night, 5 o'clock back east, 7.30 here in, let's say, Utah,
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  Speaker 4: or 8.30 in the West Coast. So they want to
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  Speaker 4: have the game more concise, and this helps the referees
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  Speaker 4: make better decisions without going a long time. You've seen
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  Speaker 4: it so many times, Sean, where players and fans, they
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  Speaker 4: keep going to the monitor, and they keep saying, really? Really,
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  Speaker 4: we make a decision and that takes away the flow
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  Speaker 4: of the game. So they're trying to make the game
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  Speaker 4: much faster, more importantly, accurate based on technology.
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  Speaker 3: The New York Knicks and Carl Anthony Towns have not
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  Speaker 3: come to an agreement on a contract extension. How is
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  Speaker 3: this going to affect him, them, the relationship between them?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are usually professionals about all this stuff, but.
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  Speaker 3: That's a defending championship team with some high hopes for
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  Speaker 3: this season.
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  Speaker 1: How does this affect things?
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  Speaker 4: It does. You see what happened with that. Jalen Brunson
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  Speaker 4: gave a hometown discount on his last contract, and that
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  Speaker 4: helped him get the players they needed, meaning they were
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  Speaker 4: able to get OG and Anobi, and it helped them
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  Speaker 4: tremendously as far as them and the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So the question in nickelbacker basketball and for Carlton Downs' people,
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  Speaker 4: he's a CAA client, is that who blinks first? That
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  Speaker 4: the Knicks offered him a really tremendous contract, but there's
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  Speaker 4: a slight discount of him not getting the max. And
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  Speaker 4: the question is that who's going to give in first? Now,
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  Speaker 4: where the rules are is that Anthony Towns on the contract. Sean,
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  Speaker 4: he makes this year $ 57 million, and next year, $ 27 million,
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  Speaker 4: $ 28 million. He makes $ 51 million with a player option.
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  Speaker 4: So he's eligible for the extension right now. If there's
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  Speaker 4: no terms, if it doesn't come to terms, then this
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  Speaker 4: summer they can get a do-over again. But the question is,
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  Speaker 4: are there hurt feelings? And those hurt feelings become hard feelings.
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  Speaker 4: And so, again, this is what happens when you have
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  Speaker 4: an elite team Everyone wants to get paid, and from
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  Speaker 4: a management ownership standpoint, they can't do it as far
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  Speaker 4: as the practicality of it, that someone has to not
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  Speaker 4: get paid, they believe, as far as equal value, and
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  Speaker 4: that's where it gets so interesting. And, Sean, that affects
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  Speaker 4: the chemistry of a team. Chemistry is so important in
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  Speaker 4: any professional sport, especially in an intimate locker room of
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  Speaker 4: only 12 people. And if the guy next to you
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  Speaker 4: is dramatically overpaid or dramatically underpaid, it does affect the group.
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  Speaker 4: Even though you have well intentions, it does mentally affect.
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  Speaker 4: You say to yourself, I'm not getting what I'm worth
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  Speaker 4: as far as my value. And then you're a professional athlete.
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  Speaker 4: You only have X amount of years in your career
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  Speaker 4: to make money.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're Carl Anthony Towns, what is the right
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  Speaker 3: number for him? If it's four years, 200 mil, and
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  Speaker 3: they're like, no, that's not enough. He's eligible for a
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  Speaker 3: max contract up to $ 276 billion. You're a guy who
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  Speaker 3: knows everything. All these dynamics that you're talking about, the
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  Speaker 3: danger of overpaying a guy, the danger of underpaying a
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  Speaker 3: guy who helped you win a championship last year and
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  Speaker 3: maybe losing him emotionally.
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  Speaker 1: So what should they pay him?
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  Speaker 4: What they offered him, remember now, he's also age 31
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  Speaker 4: years old. So in his world, this is the last
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  Speaker 4: big contract. In Neckerbocker's world, they're not going to say
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  Speaker 4: it because it doesn't affect Anthony Towns, but it does
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  Speaker 4: as far as negotiation. Josh Hart also offered the extension.
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  Speaker 4: So the question is they're trying to pay both guys
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  Speaker 4: where they respect their value, but they don't want to
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  Speaker 4: dramatically overpay. And so that's where it gets interesting, Sean.
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  Speaker 4: So the Knicks offered him a fair contract. He wants more.
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  Speaker 4: Who's in blink first? Part of that also discussion is
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  Speaker 4: Josh Hart, who we know at 6'6, one of the
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  Speaker 4: best players in the NBA as far as rebounding. He
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  Speaker 4: plays much bigger than his height. And that the Knicks
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  Speaker 4: would like to have both guys as far as being happy.
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  Speaker 4: They're going to try to navigate that and see if
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  Speaker 4: they can get Both of them somewhat happy, but how
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  Speaker 4: they do it is when they do it. Will they
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  Speaker 4: do it during the season before the season starts? Will
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  Speaker 4: they do it next summer? Or will they do it
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  Speaker 4: not at all and take one guy over the other? Again,
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  Speaker 4: it's fascinating. It's way beyond just playing on the court.
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  Speaker 4: Chemistry on the court is one thing, but also chemistry
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  Speaker 4: in the locker room is a factor also. So it
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  Speaker 4: should be interesting how it plays out.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, what's your list today?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, my list today, Sean, is very segway also as
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  Speaker 4: far as players and reliability. So this list today is
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  Speaker 4: the all-time leaders in most consecutive games played. The most
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  Speaker 4: consecutive games played, the all-time leaders. And it has a Utah, Sean,
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  Speaker 4: flavor in it. So here we go. Tied number 10,
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  Speaker 4: as far as the all-time consecutive games played, is Jack
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  Speaker 4: Twyman and John Stockton. They played a total of 609
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  Speaker 4: consecutive games. Number 9. Former Ute standout Andre Miller played
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  Speaker 4: in 632 consecutive NBA games. And Andre Miller is one
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  Speaker 4: of the most underrated, tremendous players in the last 25 years.
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  Speaker 4: And as far as what he did for his teams
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  Speaker 4: over the year, he had a brilliant 17-year career. Number eight. Sean,
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  Speaker 4: he plays for the Knicks, and Jalen Brunson took a
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  Speaker 4: hometown discount to help the Knickerbockers trade for this guy
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  Speaker 4: from the Brooklyn Nets, Mikkel Bridges. He's never missed a
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  Speaker 4: game in his eight-year NBA career. Actively, he's played now
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  Speaker 4: in 638 consecutive games. Number seven, his nickname was The
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  Speaker 4: Horse because people used to bounce off him because he
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  Speaker 4: was so strong. Harry the Horse Gallatin, he played back
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  Speaker 4: in the 50s and 60s. 682 consecutive games. Number six,
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  Speaker 4: Bill Lambert, 685. Number five, all-time, Dolph Shays, 706. Number four, all-time,
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  Speaker 4: Michael Cage, 736. Number three, Johnny Redker, 844. Number two
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  Speaker 4: all-time in most consecutive games played in the NBA is
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  Speaker 4: Randy Smith at 906. And the all-time leader in most
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  Speaker 4: consecutive NBA games played over a 15-year period. This guy
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  Speaker 4: didn't miss a game. A.C. Green played in 1,192 games. Quickly,
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  Speaker 4: just some quick side notes. Ron Boone, our colleague and friend,
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  Speaker 4: has a streak of 1,041 consecutive games played, including 662
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  Speaker 4: in the ABA and 379 in the NBA. And the
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  Speaker 4: last point is this. This is the all-time record that
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  Speaker 4: might never be broken by anybody in any sport. That
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  Speaker 4: is Cal Ripken. Cal Ripken of the Baltimore Orioles played
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  Speaker 4: in 2,632 consecutive games from May 30th, 1982. Sean, that's
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  Speaker 4: before you were even born, Sean, you and James Peterson.
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  Speaker 4: And he played through September 19th, 1998. So that's my
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  Speaker 4: list of today.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 3: I think that might be the most unbreakable record in
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  Speaker 3: professional sports because I don't think people, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: anyone's even going to try to chase it anymore, right?
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  Speaker 1: Nobody wants that record.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody wants to just grind through 16 years of baseball
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  Speaker 3: with 162 games played per season. They're shutting down voluntarily now,
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  Speaker 3: even if they don't have injuries. So that one is
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  Speaker 3: going to stand until the earth turns to dust.
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  Speaker 4: I know quarterback could last for longer. The alignment, it's
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  Speaker 4: tough for alignment though.
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  Speaker 1: Really difficult in the game of football. Gordie, you're the man.
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  Speaker 4: Very much.
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  Speaker 1: Always appreciate you, my friend. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Sean.
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  Speaker 4: Peace out.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, Lou Gehrig played 2,130 consecutive games.
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  Speaker 1: They just don't do it. They don't make them like
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  Speaker 1: that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: As long as we're on baseball with that transition. Conversations
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