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Normally Podcast: Super Bowl Culture Wars, ICE Surveillance Whiplash & Why Trust in Media Is Collapsing · Normally

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm back.
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  Speaker 2: Normally the show was normally it takes for when the
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  Speaker 2: music getting weird.
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  Speaker 1: I am Mary kathn Neil, and I'm Carol Markowitz, Mary Catherine.
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  Speaker 1: Did you watch that Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 3: It was not the most scintillating super Bowl, but what
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  Speaker 3: the Pancriots lost, which is all I was rooting for
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  Speaker 3: so well, and the head coach of the Seahawks is
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  Speaker 3: a dog, so I got to be excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I watched.
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  Speaker 1: I know that in advance I would have extra rooted
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  Speaker 1: for the Seahawks instead of just rooted for them by
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  Speaker 1: default because I hate the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: So many did, Yes, so many did. I watched the
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  Speaker 2: halftime show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I tend not to get too wrapped up in that.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, yes, but I would prefer my generation get
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  Speaker 3: a few more Super Bowls before we.
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  Speaker 1: Move on to the yards too. Yes, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: did not watch the halftime show. We did switch to
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  Speaker 1: the Turning Point one, and then I watched The Bad
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  Speaker 1: Bunny one this morning just to kind of catch up
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  Speaker 1: on everything. I don't know, I didn't. I don't mind
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  Speaker 1: his music, and it's not even the Spanish or you know,
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  Speaker 1: all being in Spanish that I had a problem with.
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  Speaker 1: I really did have a problem with the God bless America.
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  Speaker 1: And then listen to all the countries in norths and
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  Speaker 1: South America as if that's what you're talking about when
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  Speaker 1: you're talking about God blessing America. It just don't try
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  Speaker 1: to like fool us with this nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: Now that's the part I don't like too, where it's
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  Speaker 3: like I see you, I see what's happening exactly like.
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  Speaker 1: We know what's happening. And I have to say this
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  Speaker 1: about the Turning Point Show, I thought I would not
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  Speaker 1: have any idea, Like I thought I would have no
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  Speaker 1: clue who any of the stars on their performance were.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, kid rock obviously I know. But like everybody else,
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  Speaker 1: I turn it on and this woman is singing a
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  Speaker 1: country song that I know, you know, the I hope
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  Speaker 1: by Gabby Barrett, I hope you know next time she
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  Speaker 1: cheats on you. Whatever the But I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: know this one, and that's crazy. They got somebody that
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  Speaker 1: I've heard of.
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  Speaker 2: That's wow.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting that the Bad Bunny Thing,
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  Speaker 3: I know it's a play for younger people. It was
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  Speaker 3: I was watching a lot of reels with NFL players
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  Speaker 3: where they were asking them, what's your favorite maybe Bad
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  Speaker 3: Bunny song, and they're like, they clearly didn't have one,
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  Speaker 3: So it's missing at least part of the demo, even
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  Speaker 3: among the young and the hip. I thought the staging
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  Speaker 3: was cool, but it is like the NFL is just
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  Speaker 3: trying to reach an international audience still filled with left
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  Speaker 3: leaning executives, and their way to reach an international audience
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  Speaker 3: is to not be like America is awesome. Here we are,
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  Speaker 3: here's some flyovers and the most successful sport that we created,
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  Speaker 3: the most successful TV product there is.
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  Speaker 2: Their version is well cater to you, Well cater to you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and this isn't even one of our topics. But
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  Speaker 1: of course I know, how did you? But Ricky Martin
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  Speaker 1: and I'll have a piece about this in Fox Too,
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  Speaker 1: because I it was on my mind this whole halftime show.
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  Speaker 1: But Ricky Martin joins Bad Bunny on stage for a
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  Speaker 1: song Loke Paso and Hawaii what happened into Hawaii? And
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  Speaker 1: it's about Hawaii becoming gentrified and newcomers moving in and
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  Speaker 1: people who live there not being able to afford their lifestyle.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you could apply this to the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the country and talk about illegal immigration, right, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know what you're saying here, Like what happened to
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  Speaker 1: Hawaii could be what happened to America. It's not specific
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  Speaker 1: to Hawaii.
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  Speaker 3: Uh. One last point on this that with the Ricky
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  Speaker 3: Martin thing, I appreciated a little Ricky Martin that was
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  Speaker 3: my generation. Look, it looks great this thing that that
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  Speaker 3: the left always does where they say finally there's representation.
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  Speaker 3: And in the show where you're saying there's finally representation
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  Speaker 3: is Ricky Martin, who was one of these central faces
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  Speaker 3: of the giant Latin pop moment that lasted several years
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  Speaker 3: and was almost all of.
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  Speaker 2: Pop music at the time.
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  Speaker 3: Like if you look at the if you look at
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  Speaker 3: the TRL countdown around the Ricky Martin era, nothing but
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  Speaker 3: Latin influenced music. Yeah, so I hate racing that to
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  Speaker 3: claim that finally we're redeemed by bad money.
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  Speaker 1: Gloria Stefan, she was a thing. Yeah yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into the actual news day. All right, what's
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  Speaker 1: our first story? The ring camera commercial? I liked it.
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  Speaker 3: Goodness. Okay, we can have a disagreement on this. Can
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  Speaker 3: we play the ring camera commercial from the Super bowl.
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  Speaker 4: This is my low HET's her family. But every year
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  Speaker 4: ten million go missing, and the way we look for
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  Speaker 4: them hasn't changed in years until now. One post of
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  Speaker 4: a dog's photo in the Ring app starts outdoor cameras
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  Speaker 4: looking for a match. Search Party from Ring uses AI
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  Speaker 4: to help families find lost dogs. Since launch, more than
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  Speaker 4: a dog a day has been reunited with their family.
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  Speaker 4: Be a hero in your neighborhood with Search Party available
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  Speaker 4: to everyone for free right now. Join the Neighborhood at
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  Speaker 4: rain dot com.
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  Speaker 1: It's so touching.
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  Speaker 2: Let me let you get on a secret. Guys, where
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  Speaker 2: are the dogs?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not going to just use it on them.
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  Speaker 1: We're the dogs.
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  Speaker 3: Like no, oh wait, my Ring camera can be automatically
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  Speaker 3: deployed without my knowledge or consent.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there's some box you check that says yes.
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  Speaker 3: But this is this weird thing where we've opted into
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  Speaker 3: mass surveillance, which can have many upsides.
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  Speaker 2: Right, you can solve crimes more easily.
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  Speaker 3: One time I bought something off a Facebook marketplace and
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  Speaker 3: lost a piece of it and surveilled myself trying to
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  Speaker 3: find where I had left.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool, it.
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  Speaker 3: Worked, by the way, but there are significant downsides and
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  Speaker 3: every tool that law enforcement can use, they will use,
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  Speaker 3: and sometimes that will be an invasion of privacy.
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  Speaker 2: And I just thought that ad was like, I know
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  Speaker 2: you're using the dogs guys that I see you, I
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  Speaker 2: see what's happening here.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The thing is, I guess I just think that
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  Speaker 1: ship has sailed, like it is something that I would
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  Speaker 1: have definitely been concerned about fifteen years ago. And now
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  Speaker 1: I just think, like, go outside and there are cameras
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  Speaker 1: everywhere and they're watching you, and it's over. Like the
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  Speaker 1: idea that you're not going to be watched on house
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  Speaker 1: cameras is you know. I just think it's that that
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  Speaker 1: time has passed. I completely understand the concern and feel
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  Speaker 1: it also, but just don't feel like there's anything we
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  Speaker 1: can do about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm sort of with you where it like
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  Speaker 3: it rankles me, and then I'm like, I'm part of this,
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  Speaker 3: Like I've put my face and my voice everywhere, same right,
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  Speaker 3: And and I do also appreciate that you can have
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  Speaker 3: video to figure out where crimes happened or whether crimes happened, right,
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  Speaker 3: you can you can.
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  Speaker 1: You can see the face possibility for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, on this a similar front I want to
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  Speaker 3: give us an update from the Democrats demands for ice
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  Speaker 3: because it sort of dovetails with the ring camera. This
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  Speaker 3: is maybe the quickest I've ever seen Democrats and liberals
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  Speaker 3: go from this is the righteous thing to wait, no,
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  Speaker 3: the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: Is a righteous thing. Are you ready for this?
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  Speaker 3: Headline for political ice Surveillance concerns shift Democrats demands for
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  Speaker 3: body cameras. Critics fear the cameras could be used to
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  Speaker 3: feed video of protesters into facial recognition tools. So the
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  Speaker 3: thing that they were like, let's must have ice do this,
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  Speaker 3: we have to do this to protect everyone. They are
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  Speaker 3: now at the last minute when actually a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: people like me because all other law enforcement uses body cams.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's fine with me.
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  Speaker 3: Then they go, no, no, we don't like body cams anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So funny, you know, they should have been onto this
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  Speaker 1: when they demanded police officers have body cameras, and all
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  Speaker 1: conservatives are like, yeah, I think I agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: We were like all for it. Of course they should
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  Speaker 1: have body cameras. Sure, record all the interactions that they
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  Speaker 1: have with you know, potential criminals, and let's see if
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  Speaker 1: they behave correctly of course.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and it does seem like there's a shift in
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  Speaker 3: messaging on body cameras in general.
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  Speaker 2: There was a piece in The New Yorker last week
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  Speaker 2: saying that all these.
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  Speaker 3: Foya able like so readily available bodycams of drunk people
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  Speaker 3: doing sobriety tests and stuff, saying that they exploit women because.
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  Speaker 2: There are YouTube videos.
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  Speaker 3: There are YouTube channels that take these funny videos and
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  Speaker 3: put them up in the worst day of your life
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  Speaker 3: is on YouTube, and there's nothing.
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  Speaker 2: You can do about it.
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  Speaker 3: But also bodycams have revealed I think largely that cops
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  Speaker 3: do a really hard job and that they are often,
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  Speaker 3: though there are bad apples, they are often just having
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  Speaker 3: the patience of saints and behaving really well with people
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  Speaker 3: who are very very.
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  Speaker 2: Challenging and or trying to kill them. And I think
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  Speaker 2: the left is maybe not excited about how that worked out.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Having people see that up close, I think is
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  Speaker 1: not what they had in mind.
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  Speaker 2: It is not what they had in mind.
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  Speaker 3: There are more updates from Minnesota. You'll notice that the
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  Speaker 3: news has moved on, which always is my clue to say,
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  Speaker 3: that's the tell what happened, guys. So Tom Homan went
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  Speaker 3: to Minneapolis he took over the process, and his most
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  Speaker 3: recent report is I'm getting cooperation from the counties. They
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  Speaker 3: were already getting cooperation from higher level prisons and state level,
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  Speaker 3: but counties were not operating with ICE to give them
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  Speaker 3: criminals from the jails, right, And so he says, I'm
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  Speaker 3: getting better cooperation. We're going to cut down the number
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  Speaker 3: of officers by seven hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Now, there was a lot of like, oh, no, Trump caved.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that's the case, because what happened was
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  Speaker 3: Trump said there will be two thousand officers ICE folks
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  Speaker 3: if you guys don't help us out, and then once
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  Speaker 3: Renee Good had been killed, he upped it to three thousand.
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  Speaker 3: And now we're minus seven hundred, so we're still over
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  Speaker 3: two thousand. Homan apparently has cooperation from people. So I
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  Speaker 3: think we're like, this seems like a better place to be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Then we kind of knew that Homan coming in
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  Speaker 1: would change the dynamics a little bit. I think it
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  Speaker 1: happened faster than I expected. I didn't think that it
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  Speaker 1: would happen this quickly. I didn't think they this quickly,
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  Speaker 1: But here they are.
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  Speaker 3: We have a little video just to see how this
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  Speaker 3: the worm has turned here of CNN asking Jacob Fry,
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  Speaker 3: the mayor of Minneapolis, a tough question, and I find
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  Speaker 3: this fascinating.
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  Speaker 5: Here we go, It is worth noting that during the
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  Speaker 5: Obama years, the Hennepin County Jail actually had a policy
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  Speaker 5: where they let an ICE agent keep an office they
• 10:25
  Speaker 5: are and allowed them to talk to immigrants. So the
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  Speaker 5: policy has clearly been under a Democratic president. What now
• 10:33
  Speaker 5: the Trump administration is asking for? I mean, big picture,
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  Speaker 5: do you think it's good policy for the jails to
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  Speaker 5: follow an ICE detainer and hand someone over if they've
• 10:44
  Speaker 5: committed a crime. And again, this only happens after they've
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  Speaker 5: served their time, you know, for whatever crime they may
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  Speaker 5: have committed against the people of Minnesota.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, look, you're asking all the right questions here,
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  Speaker 6: and while I don't have full expertise in how the
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  Speaker 6: operations that the jail are conducted, again that's not our jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 6: What I would say is that there are mechanisms to
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  Speaker 6: do this lawfully.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, you should have full knowledge. You're the mayor, Yes, you.
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  Speaker 3: Could call up a bunch of people and have them
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  Speaker 3: brief you on this exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And she's asking about something that's in his purviews. So
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  Speaker 1: it's not like she's asking some crazy state wide questions.
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  Speaker 1: She's asking me about county jails and local jails. It's just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting because it is such a vibe shift,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we love that term on here. But
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  Speaker 1: CNN pressing him at all, he seemed stunned by it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because she's saying, hey, Obama had an ice officer
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  Speaker 2: hanging out in the jail to confer with, right, So
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  Speaker 2: why isn't that okay? Yeah, And my question would be
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  Speaker 2: the same why He's like, that's okay, question, Like think
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  Speaker 2: you answer it?
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  Speaker 3: So things seem to have changed. It also seems like
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  Speaker 3: state and local police are doing a lot more policing
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  Speaker 3: of protesters, which again is why Democrats have now decided
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  Speaker 3: that they don't want tape of any of these encounters.
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  Speaker 1: The videos have changed. It's no longer the protesters running rampant.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's police cracking down on it. And it changed
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  Speaker 1: the image for Americans. I think, like the Norman American
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  Speaker 1: who didn't understand what was going on in Minnesota is
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  Speaker 1: now seeing a very different picture. And I like.
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  Speaker 3: That well, And to me, it's just your job is
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  Speaker 3: to keep people safe. Your job is to Again, maybe
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  Speaker 3: it's my only issue, but like these protesters and agitators
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  Speaker 3: do not own the streets. The taxpayers do. They are
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  Speaker 3: allowed to drive on them. Do not let them take
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  Speaker 3: over like this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Evergreen, Mary Catherine Evergreen could be any cause, really,
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  Speaker 1: and it will be Yes, it.
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  Speaker 2: Will be all right. We will be back on normally
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  Speaker 2: with more on the dismantling of the Washington Post.
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  Speaker 1: We are back on normally where the Washington had a
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  Speaker 1: round of layoffs recently, and that is because they lost
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  Speaker 1: around one hundred million dollars in twenty twenty four and
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  Speaker 1: their traffic has largely cratered. It's owned by Jeff Bezos,
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  Speaker 1: and the vibe seems to be from the people laid
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  Speaker 1: off and the people still working at the Washington Post.
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: Why doesn't he just continue to pay for it? And
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  Speaker 1: why do we need to make money, which, let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you, is not how people who have made money
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  Speaker 1: think about it. They don't think, okay, let me just
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  Speaker 1: own this and lose money on it continually. So Jeff
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Bezos is the target here, but I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: any other owner of this newspaper would have done anything differently.
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  Speaker 1: The readership has dropped. Daily users fell from a peak
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  Speaker 1: of twenty two point five million in January twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: one to between two point five and three million in
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: summer twenty twenty four. And that's you know, it's a
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: significant drop. As they say, I was told there'd be
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: no math, but I think that's around ninety percent.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pretty big deal.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and like, the crazy thing about journalist is that
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  Speaker 3: many of them, who are also activists, argued and pushed
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: for happily subscription cancelations after The Washington Post decided not
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: to endorse in the presidential race. Okay, well, it is
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: hard to complain about this becoming a non viable situation
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: once you have encouraged people to drop their subscriptions. There's
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: a huge number of people who are out of jobs.
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  Speaker 3: I do not think that that's something to rejoice about.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: But the extent to which they do not understand that
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: they have made their own beds is amazing to me,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: and I have never understood in all my life. Maybe
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: this is what makes me write a center. I have
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: never understood why people think they are entitled to someone
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: else's money.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: It's bananas. And I've worked for outlets that have gone
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: out of business. Heat Street was owned by news Corps
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: and you know, went out of business, just wasn't doing well.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: What are you going to do? That's life. It sucks,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: but it's life. And this, you know, he only bought
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: the Washington Post for two hundred and fifty million and
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: he's already lost. I don't know, it looks it's this
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: says one hundred and seventy seven million over the last
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: two years. It's like the purchase price of the newspaper.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's very serious.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing about journalists is many of them are
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: very well off, right, particularly like high level anchors and stuff,
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  Speaker 3: who are complaining about this. And it's like, Okay, any
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: one of you rich people who has not taken the
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  Speaker 3: portion of your salary that you can spare to hire
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  Speaker 3: a full time journalist and put them on your staff
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: or make a new substack for them and completely fund it,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: you are as morally culpable as you say, bezosis, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like you're a millionaire. Why does it matter if you're
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: a multimillionaire, Why does it matter that he's richer? You
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  Speaker 3: just your assertion is that journalists good spend money on
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  Speaker 3: journalism no matter what.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, do it, do it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which brings us to someone I hate criticizing because
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  Speaker 1: she was such an inspiration to me, just you know,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: getting started in the journalism world. But Peggy Noonan, her
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: take on this was not the best, and she writes,
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  Speaker 1: I fear sometimes that few people really care about journalism,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: but we are dead without it. Someday something bad will happen,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: something terrible on a national scale, and the thing we'll
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: need most literally to survive is information, reliable information, a
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: way to get it and then to get it to
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  Speaker 1: the public. That is what journalism is, getting the information.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: And everyone kind of all at once read this and
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: we're like, we just had that happen and journalism failed
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  Speaker 1: on a massive, massive level. Yeah, COVID was that era.
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  Speaker 1: It was the time where we needed the information and
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  Speaker 1: the information was so politicized that we weren't allowed to
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  Speaker 1: have it and people were getting banned from Twitter, from YouTube,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and the media was literally not reporting the information that
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: we all knew to be true on schools, on masks,
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  Speaker 1: on all of it, and that people kept giving other
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  Speaker 1: examples of things that you know why American trust in
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  Speaker 1: media has created. But Christina pushaw listed, Covington, Catholic Russia Gate, Kavanaugh, COVID,
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  Speaker 1: BLM cover up of Biden's sanility. I mean, these are
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  Speaker 1: all kind of big things that the media completely whipped
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  Speaker 1: on in the last few years.
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  Speaker 2: And it's group sync. It's not getting information. I wish
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  Speaker 2: it was getting information. I wish it was.
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  Speaker 3: I am a fourth generation newspaper journalist. I grew up
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  Speaker 3: in a newspaper, metro daily war. My dad was an editor.
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  Speaker 3: I value the idea of journalism. I value it when
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  Speaker 3: people do it who aren't even technically Washington Post employees.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think getting information can be democratized. And look, it
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  Speaker 3: is harder to tell what's real and what's not these days,
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  Speaker 3: and this is going to be the problem of the future.
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  Speaker 3: But journalists didn't make it easier to tell what was
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  Speaker 3: real and what was not.
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  Speaker 2: They made it harder.
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  Speaker 3: And COVID is the one that I think most closely
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  Speaker 3: aligns with Noonan's take here. Because something terrible on a
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  Speaker 3: national scale, something bad.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, we just lived through this, did this? And
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  Speaker 2: who just did this?
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  Speaker 3: And I could count on one hand the journalists who
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  Speaker 3: got any kind of platform in a major media organization, right,
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  Speaker 3: who actually dug on facts. The mainstream media largely they
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  Speaker 3: deified people who demonized rational risk analysis and all of
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  Speaker 3: the information that we needed to know, and then demonized
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  Speaker 3: the rational risk analysis themselves. Those two things do not
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  Speaker 3: make for reporting news that's right, that is, that's propaganda,
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  Speaker 3: that's nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then so many of those journalists or in
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  Speaker 1: my DM saying like I love you speaking out on schools,
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  Speaker 1: like obviously I couldn't do it. No, of course not,
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  Speaker 1: of course you could.
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  Speaker 2: How could you?
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  Speaker 1: You couldn't tell you and listeners the truth? That would
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  Speaker 1: be career suicide for you. Obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is the great thing about being
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  Speaker 3: right a center and a critical thinker, is that become
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  Speaker 3: pre canceled.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't care, like I'm not getting in
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  Speaker 2: the club.
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  Speaker 3: It's fine, but it gives you leeway to say things
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  Speaker 3: that are true, whether it's on Hunter Biden or COVID
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  Speaker 3: or school's closing or Russia Gate. And it turns out,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you don't need the journalists as much when
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  Speaker 3: we're the ones saying the things right, they are the
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  Speaker 3: ones disgracing themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Turns out journalism was already in a bad place
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  Speaker 1: before the Washington Post firings who knew except who knew?
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  Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right back with a little more
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  Speaker 1: on normally, talking Blue state problems, you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: our favorite topics, and Jews leaving New York for Florida
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  Speaker 1: my favorite topic. We are back on normally where Tablet
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  Speaker 1: had this great piece in the last print edition. It's
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  Speaker 1: February twenty twenty six. They have this beautiful glossy magazine
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  Speaker 1: they do now. If you don't subscribe, you should. It's
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  Speaker 1: basically the only magazine I get to my house now.
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  Speaker 1: The article is Miami the new Jerusalem question mark. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even think we need that. I already refer to
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  Speaker 1: Florida as the other Promised Land. But it opens with
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: a great anecdote where Josh Greenberg, a digital media strategist
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  Speaker 1: who left Park Slope, New York in early twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly when I left. That's also where I left.
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  Speaker 1: I also lived in Park Slope, got mugged and realized
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  Speaker 1: that his friends had more sympathy for the mugger than
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  Speaker 1: for him. That is such a classic New York story
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  Speaker 1: of that era, where the five million dollar Browns zones
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  Speaker 1: on my block put up the defund police signs, and
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  Speaker 1: it was just so obvious that none of this was
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  Speaker 1: ever going to affect them. They lived in their little bubble,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, the normal people all moved to Florida. And
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  Speaker 1: this piece says, for many, especially Jews, the move wasn't
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  Speaker 1: really about the weather. It was about oxygen. So true,
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  Speaker 1: because I never once considered the weather in our move.
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  Speaker 1: Not never once did I think like, oh, I don't
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  Speaker 1: like the cold, and now I can never go back.
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  Speaker 1: I've gotten so soft. The weather has absolutely broken me.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that, having lived in fifteen degrees for the
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  Speaker 2: last two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: No, I do it.
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  Speaker 2: I can imagine. Now.
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  Speaker 3: This is the repeated problem with liberal governments, particularly of
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  Speaker 3: large cities, but they apply it in many other ways too.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the person violated, yeah, is the one who
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  Speaker 3: has to sort of take the l not just the violation,
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  Speaker 3: but also affirm the person who has violate them. This
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  Speaker 3: happens in women's sports with trans athletes, like, oh, you
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  Speaker 3: got a guy competing against you. Not only do you
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  Speaker 3: lose your metal, but you have to stand up there
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  Speaker 3: on the podium or nearby and go, thank my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: So brave, so brave you got to write out eds
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  Speaker 3: about how amazing it is that you got beaten. And
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  Speaker 3: in this case, you know, the mugger is the real
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  Speaker 3: concern because obviously you law abiding citizen are you know,
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  Speaker 3: you have a much nicer life, right than this person
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  Speaker 3: who tried to hurt you, and you really shouldn't complain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. There was a great piece in twenty twenty two
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  Speaker 1: by Susie Weiss at the Free Press, and it was
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  Speaker 1: crime as a construct, My morning with the parkslow Panthers.
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  Speaker 1: I must read. You have to look it up if
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  Speaker 1: you haven't read it. But it was a homeless guy
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  Speaker 1: kicked a dog and the dog died, and basically some
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  Speaker 1: people decided to form like a community watch, and some
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  Speaker 1: other people were like, that's racist, having a community watch
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  Speaker 1: against violent predators who want to kill your dog. That's racist.
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  Speaker 1: And the story is just it's chef's kiss perfection. Must read.
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  Speaker 2: David Sedaris had a piece, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Again, urbane liberal approved for sure, David Sedaris writes, and
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  Speaker 3: your little dog too in The New Yorker. He's bit
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  Speaker 3: by a vagrant dog on the street. It doesn't and
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  Speaker 3: he has the temerity to complain about this two fellow
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  Speaker 3: liberals who say to him at a book signing, you
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  Speaker 3: have to understand that these addicts, especially those with an
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  Speaker 3: opioid use disorder, lead incredibly difficult lives.
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  Speaker 2: And he's like, the dog bit me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I made that clear, the victim.
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  Speaker 3: And he keeps having these encounters with people who are like, listen,
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  Speaker 3: those people have a real hard time taking care of
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  Speaker 3: their animals, and finally he breaks It's like, that's when
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  Speaker 3: I quit talking about it. I mean, how hard should
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  Speaker 3: it be to get a little sympathy when an unleashed.
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  Speaker 2: Dog bites you? What if I were a baby, I wondered,
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  Speaker 2: what would people side with me?
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  Speaker 6: Then?
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  Speaker 2: What if I were ninety or blind or Nelson Mandela?
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  Speaker 3: Why is everyone's so afraid of saying that drug addicts
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't let their dogs bite people?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I know why. We're afraid we'll.
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  Speaker 3: All be mistaken from Republicans when really, isn't this something
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  Speaker 3: we should all be able to agree on. How did
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: allowing dogs to bite people become a democratic point of
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  Speaker 3: principle or is it just certain people's dogs. If a
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: German shepherd jumped, growling out of one of those Tesla
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  Speaker 3: trucks that looks like an Origami project, and its owner
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  Speaker 3: wearing a maga hat yelled trump or no, then he
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  Speaker 3: will in the audience be a gas.
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  Speaker 1: That line is so good.
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  Speaker 3: This is the dynamic in so many places. There's a
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  Speaker 3: great Freebeacon police piece by Aaron Sabariam, who is a
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  Speaker 3: wonderful reporter, who went out to Prince George's County, Maryland,
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  Speaker 3: which is in the DMV area, and found a condominium
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  Speaker 3: complex with a giant homeless camp next to it that
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: the county refuses to do anything about. So they sleep
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  Speaker 3: in the hallways, vandalize. They have ruined the heating system
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  Speaker 3: in that area. They've made it incredibly dangerous. It's an
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: open air drug market. They ruined the heating ste and
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  Speaker 3: you know what the city did. The city came and said,
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  Speaker 3: y'all have to be evicted from your owned condos now
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  Speaker 3: because you don't have proper heat.
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  Speaker 2: But the encampment they feed right like it is wild.
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  Speaker 2: The priorities and.
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  Speaker 1: We saw this coming. This is another like we were like,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't the idea of you getting bitten by a dog,
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  Speaker 1: an off leash dog be a universal value that we
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  Speaker 1: all oppose that, and David Sedaris in twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six is coming up with the fact that
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  Speaker 1: it should be We were saying that all along, We
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: were saying, shouldn't opening schools be something we all agree on?
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  Speaker 1: Why is that political? You know, it's either danger to
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  Speaker 1: the kids or it's not on the teachers. It's just
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: we got to the point where they were believing crazy
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: stuff and we just let them have it. We were like, fine,
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  Speaker 1: you guys want to be okay with dogs, you know,
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  Speaker 1: homeless people, dogs biting you, go for it. You can
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: go live that dream and we'll be over here not
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: taking it.
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  Speaker 2: But as the reelection of Donald Trump shows, there is
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  Speaker 2: a point at which people go like, I don't know, man, Like,
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  Speaker 2: even if I think this guy's a little much, I
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: can't take this anymore. San Francisco, similarly, where the super
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  Speaker 2: Bowl was held, the mayor there is finally like, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so the thing we do now is that we prosecute
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: the crime. That's the thing we're doing now, and that
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  Speaker 2: makes everyone happier and.
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  Speaker 1: It's no longer racist to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Which is why they can hold the super Bowl there
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  Speaker 3: and not have you know, feces everywhere, I guess, so,
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  Speaker 3: good job, guys, big plus Well.
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