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The Late Debate | 19 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, gentle manner, Welcome to the Lake tur Base.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on the late debate. I'm James
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  Speaker 1: MacPerson with Joe Hildebrand and Caleb Bond coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Snake catchers in Victoria are rebelling against nanny state laws
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  Speaker 1: that make it illegal for them to film themselves catching
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  Speaker 1: a snake. They say it's a ridiculous law that prevents
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  Speaker 1: them from advertising their services. Plus, in one of the
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  Speaker 1: more unusual objections to renewable energy, surfers are worried that
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  Speaker 1: a cable through the sea from a wind turbine is
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  Speaker 1: going to ruin their waves, and kids are now riding
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  Speaker 1: suitcases on wheels around airports. It's a great way to
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  Speaker 1: keep kids occupied, but not everyone is impressed. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: to all of that shortly, but first, there's been another
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  Speaker 1: shark attack in Sydney, with a man bitten on the
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  Speaker 1: leg while surfing at Sydney's Northern Beaches earlier today. The
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  Speaker 1: man was pulled from the water by members of the
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  Speaker 1: public who commenced first aid before the arrival of an
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  Speaker 1: urgency services. The man, believed to be in his twenties,
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  Speaker 1: was treated for serious leg injuries and is now in
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  Speaker 1: a critical condition. The incident is the third in just
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  Speaker 1: over twenty four hours. Earlier today, an eleven year old
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  Speaker 1: boy lucky to survive after a shark took a bite
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  Speaker 1: out of his surfboard, and of course, yesterday there was
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  Speaker 1: the mauling of a twelve year old boy in Vercluse.
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  Speaker 1: Police today praised the boy's friends for bravely jumping into
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  Speaker 1: the water to grab him after he was attacked by
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  Speaker 1: what's believed to have been a bull shark. So that's
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  Speaker 1: three attacks in two days. Is this just life in
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  Speaker 1: Australia or is this something authorities should be addressing?
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  Speaker 2: Kayleb Well, I will admit this is not my line,
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  Speaker 2: I have stolen it, but I have heard it suggested
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  Speaker 2: tonight that maybe we need to go Trump style on
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  Speaker 2: the sharks, or or more specifically the fish and chip
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  Speaker 2: shop owners of Australia and say that there will be
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  Speaker 2: a fifty percent tariff on all fish and chips that
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  Speaker 2: are not made out of bull shark. Henceforth, use up
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  Speaker 2: the bull shark and get them out of the water.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just kill them. I look, I don't care whether you
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  Speaker 2: put up a sharkknit and it kills a few sharks,
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  Speaker 2: or smart drum lines or whatever's most effective. I don't
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  Speaker 2: mind the means by which you do it. A shark
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  Speaker 2: that attacks ought to be culled. We're at the top
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  Speaker 2: of the tree. We have a right to go in
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  Speaker 2: the water. And all these people say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's the shark's home. What do you expect if you
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  Speaker 2: go into his home. Of course he's going to attack you.
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  Speaker 2: And well, maybe it is his home. But guess what
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  Speaker 2: we have, via this wonderful thing called evolution, risen to
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  Speaker 2: the top of the evolutionary tree, and we go in
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  Speaker 2: the water as well. And human life is more important
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  Speaker 2: than any other life, and we have the right to
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  Speaker 2: remove other lives and protect our own lives by whatever
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  Speaker 2: means necessary. And if that means sacrificing a few sharks
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  Speaker 2: along the way to turn them into delicious fish and chips,
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  Speaker 2: I'm all for it.
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  Speaker 3: Look, obviously, these events are tragic, and they do send
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  Speaker 3: a chill through the community. And you know, it has
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  Speaker 3: to be said that declaring a war on all sharks
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  Speaker 3: just because of a few isolated incidents is irrational and
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  Speaker 3: does not make scientific sense, and.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care. I want every single one dead. I
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  Speaker 4: hate them. I hate them, I hate them, I hate them.
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  Speaker 4: They are terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: There is just no way in the world that any
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  Speaker 3: one of these things should be able to live another
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  Speaker 3: second after I mean, maybe it's a reason why we
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  Speaker 3: should actually ditch the gun control laws so everyone can
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  Speaker 3: have all the guns they want, but sharks. So, as
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  Speaker 3: you can see, this is something of I wrote my
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  Speaker 3: very first column for the Daily Telegraph on sharks and
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  Speaker 3: basically how we should kill them all let God sort
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  Speaker 3: them out.
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  Speaker 4: Just kidding. They're not going there. Certainly, in all seriousness,
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  Speaker 4: this is.
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  Speaker 3: Not the time to be removing shark nets, which is
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  Speaker 3: crazy nutty greeny environmentalist counselors are trying to get the
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  Speaker 3: state government to do in which Chris Men's in his
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  Speaker 3: infinite wisdom, has said no way, Jose after the attack
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  Speaker 3: in d Y. But also we need to be looking
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  Speaker 3: at ways to make our beaches safe. Clearly, sharks are proliferating.
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  Speaker 3: We know that when they cleaned up Sydney Harbor, which
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  Speaker 3: is a bull shark's paradise. The Premier then Bob Carr,
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  Speaker 3: bragged about the fact that marine life was coming back
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  Speaker 3: and with that there were sharks. I remember when I
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  Speaker 3: first arrived in Sydney, I think a bull shark had
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  Speaker 3: to go at some kids, some school kids who were
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  Speaker 3: doing rowing practice on the harbor. As it turns out
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  Speaker 3: it was okay because they were from a private school.
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  Speaker 3: But still it is just absolutely he's just absolutely terrifying
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  Speaker 3: that these things are everywhere. I also spoke and I
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  Speaker 3: have to say to the navy diver who got his
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  Speaker 3: arm and leg and had by a shark, and he
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  Speaker 3: became a shark advocate and said, no, no, no, this
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  Speaker 3: is exactly what you say. You know, we have to
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  Speaker 3: understand these creatures and it is their territory and we
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  Speaker 3: have to respect them. And I've suffered more than most
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  Speaker 3: at the hands of these creeps, and I respect him.
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  Speaker 3: And he's made himself an expert in this, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the years since his.
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  Speaker 4: Accident or the attack, and he is much more expert
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  Speaker 4: than me.
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  Speaker 3: But again I don't care, because I just want these
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  Speaker 3: things dead. I don't even eat flake, but I will
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  Speaker 3: take it up if that's what's necessary to put a
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  Speaker 3: bounty on the head and the target on the back
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  Speaker 3: of every single one of these monsters. I mean a
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  Speaker 3: bullshark is like the shark equivalent of terminator. It can
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  Speaker 3: go in the waves, it can go in the still,
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  Speaker 3: it can go in salt water, it can go in
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  Speaker 3: fresh water.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, are we really gonna let them? We won't
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  Speaker 4: be the apex species for much longer.
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  Speaker 1: Someone walking on the lands. Some of these attacks have
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  Speaker 1: been frighteningly close to shawls. It hasn't been out deep
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  Speaker 1: in the ocean. The twelve year old boy was simply
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  Speaker 1: jumping in.
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  Speaker 3: There was a story of a bull shark taking one
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  Speaker 3: of the workers on the Sydney Harbor Bridge while he
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  Speaker 3: was washing his boots in the in the water and
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  Speaker 3: he's washing his feet and the bull shark just comes
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  Speaker 3: and takes it. Now, I may have made that up,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm sure.
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  Speaker 4: I've heard it.
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  Speaker 2: So he was on the ABC, so it must be true.
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  Speaker 2: I think the spotted vaul clues where that fella the
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  Speaker 2: boy was swimming. He's right near Shark Bay as well.
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  Speaker 2: So we know there are sharks in the harbor. But
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  Speaker 2: surely we have the right to go out and safely.
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  Speaker 1: Swim, And surely these three incidents in twenty four hours
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  Speaker 1: will shut up all those crazy counselors who as you say,
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  Speaker 1: there's three councils who have been lobbying the Men's government
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  Speaker 1: to remove sharknets. Surely that argument is done and dusted.
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  Speaker 1: Shark nets must remain, And surely you can cull sharks
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  Speaker 1: in Sydney Harbor, which is populated by so many people,
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  Speaker 1: without doing damage to the general shark population. But we
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have bull sharks overpopulated in areas where people are
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  Speaker 1: surfing and swimming. It's pretty basic.
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  Speaker 3: I would have thought, Yeah, I think the plan to
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  Speaker 3: withdraw the shark nets is dare I say it dead
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  Speaker 3: in the water.
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  Speaker 2: So it should be while we are talking about the
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  Speaker 2: water and going to the beach, it's not just sharks
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  Speaker 2: you have to worry about. Offshore wind farms are apparently
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  Speaker 2: becoming a big problem now. Thankfully here in Australia, offshore
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  Speaker 2: wind farms seem to have fallen by the wayside because
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  Speaker 2: all the people who said they were going to make
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  Speaker 2: them happen and invest in them have discovered that they
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  Speaker 2: are hideously expensive to build, so they just keep disappearing.
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  Speaker 2: All these plans for offshore wind farms keep disappearing, but
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  Speaker 2: not so over in England, where they are building offshore
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  Speaker 2: wind farms, and of course you then need a way
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  Speaker 2: to get the power that is being generated by these
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  Speaker 2: wind farms to land so you can use the power.
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  Speaker 2: And this is what they're going to do in the
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  Speaker 2: Devon area. And there's a little town called Braunton, which
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  Speaker 2: is a little village north of Devon and it's a
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  Speaker 2: popular surfing spot. Now they have to put in a
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  Speaker 2: big cable, bloody big cable in order to get all
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  Speaker 2: this power from this offshore wind farm. It's about thirty
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  Speaker 2: miles off shore. I'm not sure what that is in
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  Speaker 2: the New money.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's a.
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  Speaker 1: Fair way out.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going to build this really long cable that
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  Speaker 2: will come up to the beach at Braunton and then
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  Speaker 2: go over the dunes and then off into the world
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  Speaker 2: to give people power. But they're going to have to
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  Speaker 2: surround this cable sort of put all around it concrete
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  Speaker 2: so that it doesn't get damaged. And now the surfers
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  Speaker 2: are concerned that this big concrete structure that is going
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  Speaker 2: to go right through the water could in fact interrupt
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  Speaker 2: the waves and change the way that the waves moved
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  Speaker 2: to shore, and their surf beach might be turned into nothingness,
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  Speaker 2: and worse than that, if they put this big concrete
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  Speaker 2: thing through the beach and then the sand sort of
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  Speaker 2: erodes away from it, and then they're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to be forever closing the beach to put the sand
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  Speaker 2: back on top of it, et cetera. Could it be
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  Speaker 2: that there is another thing that renewle energy has ruined
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  Speaker 2: in this case, it's surf.
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  Speaker 1: Welllease surfers, we're all at pains to point out that
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  Speaker 1: we're not denying that there's a climate crisis. We're all
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  Speaker 1: in favor of decarbonization unless our surfing is interrupted.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, lifestyle is impact, well, bets are off.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not sure you can have it both ways.
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  Speaker 1: If you believe in a climate crisis, you do whatever
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  Speaker 1: it takes to preserve life on planet Earth, regardless of
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  Speaker 1: how it impacts your surfing. If there's not a climate crisis,
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  Speaker 1: well then they make a very good point.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think you do it, And I think there's
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  Speaker 3: been too much in this debate of people saying, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and by people I mean teals, so are they people
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  Speaker 3: but saying you know, oh, we've got to do everything
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  Speaker 3: we can to climate change. But of course when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to doing something in their electric or dare I
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  Speaker 3: say it changing the car that they drive suddenly? Oh no,
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  Speaker 3: but not in that particular case, because that's not appropriate
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  Speaker 3: and that's not suitable. We've seen Bob Brown even I think,
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  Speaker 3: raised concerns about the impact of wind farms on wildlife and.
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  Speaker 4: Actually in a particular area. So yet again it is
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  Speaker 4: this whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: We absolutely have to do something, but when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to anything that affects my pet cause or my way
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  Speaker 3: of life or something that I have, actually, no, that's
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  Speaker 3: not appropriate, And I do honestly think we need to
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  Speaker 3: like you do it. You need to put your money
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  Speaker 3: where your mouth is. If we see the same surveys
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  Speaker 3: as well, oh yes action on climate change, would be
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  Speaker 3: prepared to pay more on your power bill or for you,
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  Speaker 3: oh no, not really come to do it. So either
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  Speaker 3: we do it and we accept that we're all going
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  Speaker 3: to be you know, impacted, we're all going to have
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  Speaker 3: pay more and there's stuff that we won't be able
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  Speaker 3: to do anymore, or you just say all right, well
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  Speaker 3: maybe we should just be a little bit more you know,
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  Speaker 3: pragmatic about this and sought out. But it did present
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  Speaker 3: a wonderful idea that I just had, so I reckon.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about the shark nets of the previous episode.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon we go to all those greeny environmental counselors
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  Speaker 3: and say, listen, got a great deal for you. We're
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  Speaker 3: going to put a huge bunch of wind turbines offshore,
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  Speaker 3: but we're to run shark nets along all of them.
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  Speaker 4: Just see what they saw.
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  Speaker 1: Joe hulde Brand, You're that's genius, right. I tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: you should honestly be running the country. I certainly you
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  Speaker 1: do a better job running Victoria. So here's a question
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  Speaker 1: for you. Is this progress or is this just pressure?
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  Speaker 1: It turns out four in five mums in Victoria are working.
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  Speaker 1: For perspectives, seventy seven percent of mothers in Victoria who
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  Speaker 1: have children under the age of fifteen are working. That's
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  Speaker 1: up from sixty two percent just ten years ago. In Queensland,
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  Speaker 1: it's actually worse. Eighty four point three percent of mums
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  Speaker 1: with kids under fifteen are going to work, either full
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  Speaker 1: time or on a part time basis. I was curious
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  Speaker 1: at comments from the Gender Equality Victoria Organization who said
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  Speaker 1: this is great progress. They seem to think this is
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  Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. Although the system their words, not mine,
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  Speaker 1: still says that women should carry the bulk of caring responsibilities. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'd noticed that we're three males on the panel, so
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  Speaker 1: I want to be about this.
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  Speaker 3: Games, but we won't have anyone interrupting to say, Rob exactly,
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  Speaker 3: is it really.
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  Speaker 1: Progress that mums are at the office, or at the
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  Speaker 1: factory or in the corporate world rather than home with
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  Speaker 1: the kids. Is that progress or is that bad for
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  Speaker 1: families and bad for kids. I can't speak as a woman,
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  Speaker 1: but I can speak as a son. You really value
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  Speaker 1: the input of your mum, especially in your formative younger years,
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  Speaker 1: much more so than your dad. And I love my dad,
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  Speaker 1: but kids want their mums.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's well, it is certainly down to the economics.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other answer to it, right. I think there
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  Speaker 2: are very few women who if you ask them, if
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  Speaker 2: you had the choice of money was no object, would
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  Speaker 2: you rather spend more time at home with your kids
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  Speaker 2: in their formative years or go to work and send
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  Speaker 2: them to childcare? And nine out of ten I am
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  Speaker 2: sure would say I'd rather spend the time at home.
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  Speaker 2: But the economic impairatives as they are now simply mean
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  Speaker 2: that it is not possible. I know I've written and
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  Speaker 2: spoken extensively about this, but you know, my parents, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a young man. When I was growing up in the
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  Speaker 2: early two thousands, mum worked part time on Thursday nights
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  Speaker 2: and on Saturdays, and my father was is a council
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  Speaker 2: gardener on a pretty low but you know average wage,
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  Speaker 2: shall we say, and that was more than sufficient to
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  Speaker 2: raise two kids and pay a mortgage. Right, you just
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  Speaker 2: can't do that anymore. Like, there is no one having
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  Speaker 2: kids today unless they're earning really good coin. Who can
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  Speaker 2: afford to have a parent mum or dad at home.
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  Speaker 4: So women have to go to.
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  Speaker 2: Work in order to support the family. And then we go, yay,
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  Speaker 2: that's gender equality, you know, the idea that you can
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  Speaker 2: have it all. You can't have it all. Not only women,
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  Speaker 2: all of us have been duped, I think in the
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  Speaker 2: sale of that message, and I think it's worse than that.
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  Speaker 2: It was never really about gender equality. The idea that
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  Speaker 2: women could go to work if they want to. The
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  Speaker 2: idea was that everyone should be a good little worker bee,
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  Speaker 2: and everyone should be generated tax for the government. And
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  Speaker 2: so we must get women to go to work. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: even women who are stay at home mums now almost
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  Speaker 2: feel this sort of pressure and shame about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they stay at home mums, because you should be
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  Speaker 2: going and having a job and having your own career
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  Speaker 2: and advancing yourself in that way somehow lesser if you
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  Speaker 2: stay at home and look after your children. But I reckon,
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  Speaker 2: deep down most women wish they could do it, and
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  Speaker 2: they just can't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's more meeting in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: So I think previously there has been that thing where
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  Speaker 3: you know, Dad just came home at six o'clock at night,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I put his feet up and read
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  Speaker 3: the newspaper and said hi to the kids and maybe
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  Speaker 3: kissed them good night. And I'm very glad that I'm
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  Speaker 3: doing much more with my kids than a generation even
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  Speaker 3: a guy, or certainly more than my dad did with me.
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  Speaker 3: But let's not get into my personal psychological trauma. But
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  Speaker 3: but I think the question is simply, you know, is
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  Speaker 3: it are you working more or harder than you want
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  Speaker 3: to because you have no choice because the cost of
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  Speaker 3: living crisis is just too much. And I have absolutely
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  Speaker 3: no doubt whatsoever that that is true. Obviously very well
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  Speaker 3: off compared to other families, and even I just fret
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  Speaker 3: about you know, the next you know, the next job
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  Speaker 3: falling over, or the next you know, bill coming in,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the house falling down, you know. And my
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  Speaker 3: wife is working like crazy full time and should probably
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  Speaker 3: rather not work as many days.
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  Speaker 4: As she is. But she is very dedicated and hard worker.
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  Speaker 3: But she also you know, knows that, you know, if
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  Speaker 3: she doesn't do that, that is, you know, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to struggle to sort of break even each month.
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  Speaker 2: And sinterly you raise the she'd probably rather not work
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  Speaker 2: as many days. This data that the Herald's Son went
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  Speaker 2: through also found that in the last twenty years, the
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  Speaker 2: number of Victorian women who are working five days a week,
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  Speaker 2: so full time essentially has doubled. So you've had this
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  Speaker 2: increase from you know, sixty five to seventy seven percent
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  Speaker 2: in terms of women who are working at all, but
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  Speaker 2: the number who are working five days a week has doubled,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's the difference. A lot of women
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  Speaker 2: like my mum probably used to work part time just
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  Speaker 2: to bring in a bit of extra income, and it's
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  Speaker 2: now become you can't work part time anymore. You have
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  Speaker 2: to be at work all the time simply to sustain
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  Speaker 2: the family.
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  Speaker 1: No it's forty percent of mums are now working full time.
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  Speaker 1: But then it is victoria. A lot of six and
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  Speaker 1: eight year olds are out trying to get jobs as
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  Speaker 1: well to be able to pay the mortgage.
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  Speaker 4: What you know what mothers should be doing. They should
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  Speaker 4: be quitting their jobs and becoming.
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  Speaker 3: Instagram influencers so that they can post ridiculous stuff on
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  Speaker 3: Instagram and TikTok and then get shamed by the vast multitude.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: I can't believe you haven't done it already.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, well I just thought of it then
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: after seeing this inspirational article about kids who are riding
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: along on luggage. They are using luggage wheeled luggage no
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: less as scooters and scooting around and flying around during
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: the throughout the nations and indeed the world's aerotropolises or
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: is it aerotropoli I have to work my Greek And
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: they are posting this online, of course, because nothing actually
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: happens if it hasn't happened online, and people are saying,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: you know what, actually that's pretty stupid, Like the airports
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: are full of rushing people getting around and trying to
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: do stuff, and your kids are just getting away. My
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: take is that even if the kids were you know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: doing it and running around and flying around this, because
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I would have no problem whatsoever.
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: That the fact that the caption on the post from
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: the parents says the kids are racing scooters through the
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: terminal and where the parents film me instead of stopping them.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Are we crazy fun? Are we a little bit out there?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: That is enough to make me say, like the sharks,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: you need to be hunted down, you're dead. A little
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: bit that bad. But I just but just that kind
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: of oh look, where's the kookie? We're just like having
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: a good time.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: If you're really can you just like having a good time,
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't be posting it on Instagram, you douchebag.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, we have an epidemic of fat kids right now.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: The adults are all on the ozimpic now right, but
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: we've got fat kids and so they've gone. What can
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: we do to make kids even fatter? We'll give them
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: ride on luggage, like you know. Okay, so the kids
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: are on their e scooters at home and mum and
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: dad drive them to school. Now no one no one
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: walks to school anymore because you know, you might get abducted,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: which happens far less than it used to. But anyway,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: be that as it may. Life has just become so
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: much easy for kids, and everything is automated now they
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: don't have to put in I mean kids even do
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: house work anymore to get pocket money, probably not. And
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: so we're like the one opportunity.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: They get to actually do some walking, which is through
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: the airport terminal. We now say we'll give them an
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: electronic luggage bag to ride on as though it were
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: a scooter. Except not being so lazy pull your luggage.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Kids don't walk through the airport. That's the problem. If
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: you've ever tried to get kids to the gate on time,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you can't afford to let them walk because you'll be
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: late for your flight, so you end up trying to
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: mad enjoy your luggage plus carry kids. I think it's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a great idea. I got off a plane recently and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: saw a kid scooting off the aerow bridge on his
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: sure zipping in and out of the other passengers. As
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: long as parents are controlling the kids and not letting
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: them run into other passengers, which this kid I was
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: watching very nearly did, but I was impressed by his maneuverings.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's fine. It all makes it easier for parents.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: Just bring back the rope, you know, I just chuck
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: a leash on them.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Time all up together, over the shoulder, your march to
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: the terminal. They've got nice saying that you keep doing
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: that you learn about twenty one.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: But the funny thing here is a lot of airports
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: have got policies, very serious policies saying no scooters in
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the airport, no skateboards, et cetera, et cetera, for obvious reasons.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: But now you've got luggage that acts as a scooter
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: for kids. It's a bit of a dilemma for policy makers, right.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I just why are we so lazy about everything?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Now that I get the idea that it's probably more
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: interesting for a kid to ride on a piece of
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: luggage than it needs to walk with.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: And they take responsibility for their luggage. It's helping the teacher.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Well, they should just be able to do that anyway,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and that's responsibility that they should take.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: But kids are born with responsibility.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Give give them responsible. This is a way of doing
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: But it's the same principle as you know, my kid
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: won't shut up, so I put a screen in front
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: of them. Now, sure, the screen shuts them up, but
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: it doesn't deal with the actual problem. The problem is
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that the kids fidgety and doesn't do what it's told.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: If you could get a wheeled suitcase with a screen,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: now you'd be gone.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You can actually you can get I was looking a
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: new luggage recently, and you can get ones that come
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: with a little fold out phone holder thing, so you
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: can sit there and watch stuff on your phone on
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: your Actually no, probably not, but who cares as long
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: as you've got your devices. Hey, One Nation, what an
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: extraordinary result in today's news poll. And we've seen this
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: sort of creeping through in other polls, but News Pole
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is generally taken to be the arbiter of what is
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: really going on in Australian politics, and it has confirmed
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: what we've been seeing in other polls because the primary vote,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: as I'm sure you've seen today for labor sits at
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: thirty two percent, which is down four percent.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: It's a fair old whack.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: But One Nation is up seven percent to twenty two percent,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: which makes it now the most popular right wing or
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: conservative party in this country. And keep him on the
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: coalition is two parties, so One Nation as one party
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: is now polling better on primary vote than the Liberal
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: and National parties combined, and the Greens are sitting around
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: there at twelve percent. So the real third party in
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: this country now actually could even be one of the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: top two. It is the top two is one nation
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and the two party preferred. They're still calculating on a
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: labor and coalition standing. It'd be interesting to see what
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: it looks like if you sort of extrapolated it out
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to one nation, and you can see here the rise
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: in one nation support from May when we had the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: last federal election six point four percent now up to
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: twenty two percent. What an astronomic rise.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: It is extraordinary, and it is a perfect storm. I mean,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I think the circumstances, the political climate for one nation
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: to be successful has never been stronger than it is
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: right now. You've got cost of living anxiety with a
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: lot of people, and housing costs and housing shortages, which
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: people are blaming on mass migration, which is of course
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the ultimate one nation touchstone, and they are seen as
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: more legitimate on it by people who have concerns about
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: mass immigration. So if you don't like mass immigration, one
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Nation is always going to be your party because they've
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: been on it since they died. And then of course
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: you have adding on top of that the aftermath of
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the Bondai terror massacre, which presumably a lot of people
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: were not presumably predictably, a lot of people on the
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: far right are blaming on mass migration and intake of
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: too many Muslims. Quite frankly, that is what they're saying.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I disagree, but whatever that is increasing the risk or
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the likelihood of an attack like this. So it is,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: you know, it is just a perfect perfit kind of
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: bath for one nation to line the thing with the
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: two party preferred thing though, is where it all kind
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: of falls over.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm not any judgment I don't you know. I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: not looking down on my nation voters. I never have.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: But the.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Just mathematically it just can't work.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: So if there was to be, if you were going
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: to flip it, because technically the two party preferred should
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: be between Labor and one nation now because it's just
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: pip the coalition.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Labor would be doing even better than it already is now.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of one nation vote that actually bleeds
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: into labor through preferences.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: That's right, But there would be even more people if
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: you are still voting for the coalition in this climate.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: So if one nation leap frogs, So if if one
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: nation runs behind the coalition and gets knocked out right,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: the vast majority of those one nation votes are going
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: to go to Labor or the Liberal party sorry sorry
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: to going to go labor or the National the Libs
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: or the Nationals and not go to labor. So it
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: means that that liberal or National candidate is more competitive.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: If you are still voting for the coalition even with
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: the rise of one nation, and you still haven't bought
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: that one nation's worth it, chances are those votes are
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: going to split much more even land. So if you're
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: not voting for one nation now, like I said, in
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: the most perfect environment, you're probably never going to image.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: The bulk of those votes will probably go back to
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the labor plant.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Can I say something about you said the political climate
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: is perfect for one nation. Can I take issue with
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that because maybe you didn't mean this, but when you
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: say the political climate, it sort of sounds a bit passive, right,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: like the conditions that the stars are aligned. It's not
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the political climate, it's the abject failure of both the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: government and to be Frank the Liberal Party on issues
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that you mentioned like and that would be immigration or
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: national security, the economy, social cohesion, national identity. It's not
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like Pauline Hanson has suddenly found herself in perfect climactic conditions.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: She has been presenting the same policies year after year
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: for about thirty years and finally proven right, not by
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the climate, but by the abject failure of those on
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: the other side.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: And I don't think it's.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: As simple as mass migration and far right and whatever,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: because the people who have now switched to one nation
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you would think by and large ex coalition people who
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: would have put Coalition number one lives on that are
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: now saying I'll put one nation one and that's because
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: they're frustrated with the coalition. And there is also it's
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: not just about mass migration. I think it's about the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: culture and the state of the country, which is a
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: little more nuanced than there are too many people coming here.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: It's about the face of the country, and I think
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: it's also a response to how the Prime Minister has
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: acted in the last month since Bondai. I think a
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: lot of people are dissatisfied and I'll go through the
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: numbers to that and six are dissatisfied with the Prime Minister,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: but they also don't think that the coalition and Susan
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Lee are up to the job of taking it to him,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and they see someone stronger in paul In Hanson. And
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: another poll from the nine newspapers over the weekend asking
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: people how they rate the Prime minister's performance since Bondai,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: ten percent said very good, twenty five percent said good,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: twenty one percent said poor, thirty five percent said very poor,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: nine percent undecided. So that's fifty six percent of people
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: who think the Prime Minister's performance since Bondai has been either.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Poor or very poor.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty convincing result.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: It is, except that when someone is wrung up and
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: asked about something, I mean, who would say, you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: given the coverage that's been out there, and given that
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: what obviously has not been a particularly you know, a
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: brilliant moment for the PM. There have been backflips.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: There's been say the coverage is the problem.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: But again I say that not because the coverage is wrong,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: but because the coverage has been so intense and that
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: engages people. So people are just thinking, oh, what was
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: the last thing I read oh yeah, no, apparently it is.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, now of these people are actually they're watching
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: it firsthand or watching it live. So so I think
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: it has been that, and Anthony Albinizi has been betrayed
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: by it as that. And there have undoubtedly been a
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: lot of failings, and there have undoubtedly been failures that,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: you know, indirectly or whatever led to the sort of
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: culture that we saw express itself on Bondi Beach on
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: December fourteenth. But the thing is that most people, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: this is why you get these results and why one
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: nation in trouble, Most people are just not that heavily politicized.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: They want to know from a politician, what's in it
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: for me, how is it going to make life better?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: How are you going to fix my problem? So I
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: think for most people, if they're angry at Anti Albanesi,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: they're angry at him because food bills, energy bills, you know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: housing is costing too much and it's putting pressure on them.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: And if you actually look at where the one nation
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: vote comes from, based on where their preferences go afterward,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: it's about a third labor.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Two thirds coalition. And so I think from some people,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you know, on the right.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I think it is that really sort of they're really
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: into their politics and they hate Anthony Albanesi. But I
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: think for a lot of people it's like, nah, you've
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: you know, either you're gone too woke and you're not
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: looking after my interest, but it's basically you've stopped caring
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: about me. I don't think it's necessarily I don't like
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: your response to the Bondai terror attack because I don't
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: think people, aside from what they see on the news
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: and reading the newspapers, are that kind of fully all
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: in engaged on that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: They want to know what's well.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Of course that the rise of One Nation is drawing
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: parallels understandably with the rise of Reform in the UK.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: There's another parallel as well. You remember obviously Barnaby Joyce
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: defected from the Nationals to One Nation. There was a
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: major move in Australian politics. The same has been happening
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: in the UK with members of the Tories defecting to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Nigel Faraja's Reform Party. I think there's been four who
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: have defected, including just over the last couple of days
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: the former Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs. That's Andrew Rossendell,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: who's moved from the Tories to reform. He's a Thatcher right,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: and he says he's come to the point where he
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: has simply had to put his country before his party.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: He's been a member of the Tory since he was
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: fourteen years old, but now has decided, even as Shadow
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Minister of Foreign Affairs, can't afford to be with the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Tories anymore. They're not the future for the UK, and
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: he's moved to reform. This only strengthens Nigel Faraja's claim
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: on the on ten Downing Street and.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Robert Jenrick as well, who was a former cabinet member
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: in the Tory government, the previous Tory government under Rishie Sunak,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: who interestingly told Camillatomy from the Telegraph that he would
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: never defect just a week before he did. And it
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: does annoy me a bit when people do this, because
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like, if you've been elected by
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: the public on the banner of running for a party,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: they elected a Tory and so they expect a Tory
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: to represent them, and there's an element of you dance
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: with the one what brung you, and I feel it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a bit unfair to be moving around between terms. But
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: much like Barnaby Joyce in his decision to leave and
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: go to one nation. They are making these decisions because
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: they think they have to go where they can be
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the most effective. And clearly, if you want to be
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: an effective member of a Conservative Party in the UK
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: at the moment, reform seems to be the place to be.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Can wholly understand why they would move over.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and reform could do really really well, absolutely way
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: that one nation can't possibly.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Because they've got your first system.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: So the UK, obviously, as most people will know, have
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: a first past the post system and also a voluntary system.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: You do not have to go out and pick up
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: your sausage and cast a vote, or at least do it,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: you know, squibble on the ballot.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: In the UK.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: And that means that if you are very disillusioned with
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Keir Starmer and very disillusioned with the Tory Party and
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I reckon that is a huge number of Britons, you
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: can just stay home.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Just stay home, have fish and chips, eat your shark.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: And if you're really emboldened and passionate about reforming, you
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: think this is our big chance, you can get out
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: and you can vote that and that will have devastating
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: consequences because the other two parties can't effectively team up
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: to go over the top of you. So you just
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: got to You just got to get more votes. You
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: don't have to get the most votes, you don't have
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: to get the majority of votes. You just have to
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: get more votes than anyone Else's like that old joke
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: about you know, you know, Timmy and Billy, you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: are running from a lion that's chasing them, and Billy says, Timmy.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: What are you doing? You know we're never going to
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: outrun the line, and Timmy says, I'm not trying to
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: outrun the line. And that's all that reform happened.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: A couple of things to get through very quickly. Before
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: we get to the break, I just want to show
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: you again we talked last week about these anti ICE
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: freaks in the US.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Take a look at this.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: This is ICE agents trying to arrest a sex offender
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: and being impeded.
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: We're here to arrest a child sex offender, and you
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: guys out here honky, No, we're pressing that right there
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: is honky and impeting our investigations. Well, we're trying to
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: arrest a child sex offender. That's who you guys are protecting.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Well done. That's in Minnesota, and also in Minnesota, people
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: who are coming out to protest and try and stop
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: these ICE agents they're carrying around rifles. You live in
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: the neighborhood, yep, this is my block, this is my area.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't go into other people's neighborhoods and
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: try and intimidate them.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: I protect my peopil.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Are you gonna get your name?
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: No, I'm okay with that.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Our neighborhoods showing up.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You guys had a lot of people out here, at
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: least thirty or more forty or fifty.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: That's pretty good for a quick.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Turnout for goodness sake. And meanwhile they're going after people
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: they think are ICE agents. But I'm not.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I like the affect.
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  Speaker 4: You are you law enforcement? No? Why are you law enforcement?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Bro?
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: Is this a simulation?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Oh? It's just like one of those ice things or
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: something cool? Thank you?
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Good to know. Are you law enforcement? Listen to grab
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: your your car here? Okay? Yeah, go ahead, Yeah.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: It looks like you're law enforcement.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, gonna make sure. Okay, yeah, go ahead. The guy's
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: just a YouTube stream.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: It's like Hey, he's a what a mannequin in the passengers?
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  Speaker 4: And this woman?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Uh, you could be an ICE agent.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I was wrong with these I just like the guy
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: standing there with a gun. He's on national television. They say,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: what's your name?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: I won't give you? How could anyone possibly?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: I do? But I'll shoot ice agents.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Maybe before we go to the break, we need to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: talk about a massive government over each in Victoria, Apparently,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: snake handlers or snake catches rather, are not able to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: film themselves catching a snake and post it online because
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that means that they won't be focused when catching a snake,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and they may encourage others to catch snakes, which would
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: not be safe, or they may harm the snake while
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: focusing on producing the video. Snake catches around Victoria have
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: been reminded by a government department that they face a
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: thousand dollar fines if they film themselves catching snakes. But
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: it's not only that. They're not even able to allow
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the resident to want to watch them catch the snake
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: lest they be distracted. Do we really need regulations and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: rules like that?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Of all the weird nanny state rules and laws I've seen,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I think this one is right up there, like who's
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: sitting there going Yes, we must prevent the snake catchers
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: from putting photos and videos on social media. They're just
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: trying to run a business like anyone else, and they
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: need business. That's how they promote their business. I really
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: don't get what the issue.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: And of course they argue if people want to see
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: people catching snakes, and they're really popular videos, million videos
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: online from everywhere else, just not from Victoria. We're going
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: to go to a break. When we come back, we'll
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: look at what's making news tomorrow, including the e Safety
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Commissioner gets a massive pay rise. I'm not sure what
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: for that, and more after this, well, welcome back to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: the program as it expect to borrow's newspapers covering the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: condolence motions moved in Parliament today. Caleb, you've got the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: front page of the Australian.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Indeed, where it says of all the days Greens accused
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: of lacing massacre condolences with anti Semitism and deflection, the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: anti Israel Greens of shocked Australian Jews and families of
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Bondai terror victims after using Parliament's official condolences to claim
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: quote powerful forces are using the massacre for political ends,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and that the attack could have happened to gay and
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: trans people or Muslims. As Anthony Albanesi made a solemn
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: promise to protect the nation's Jewish community, greensleader Larissa Waters
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and two of her top senators, Marine Feruki and David
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Shubridge all made speeches that condemned the massacre and anti Semitism,
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: but put other forms of hate on the same level
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: as the nation's two years of anti Jewish violence and intimidation,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: and Senator Faruki at one point said that her Jewish
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: friends had put down the political division in the aftermath
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: of the nation's worst ever terrorist attack to unnamed powers.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So you had a terror attack perpetrated upon Jews gathering
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: at Bondai Beach, and the Greens think it could just
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: as easily have happened to gay people. Look, there are
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: countries in the world where they kill people for being gay.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a hint.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: They're not Christian countries, and they're not in the West.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: These countries like Iran, where protest is from the left
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: try to shut down anti Iranian Ayotola protests for being Islamophone.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Their places like Palestine to be fair as well.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Planet are these people on, Well.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: If hypocrisy was a planet, they would be well and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: truly in charge there. Senator Wish Wilson was another Green
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: senator who made an extraordinary speech where he talked about
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: the fact that these two terrorists were men, and then
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: he made the point that it's never women committing these
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: acts of terroriants, always men. So he said, nothing about Islamism,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: but toxic masculine.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: It must be, because that's the only linking fact, because
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: they were men, of course, and they.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Were just tossing up you know, do we shoot trans people?
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Do we shoot This is the.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Problem that I'm on. So many of our politicians, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the Prime Minister is among them, talking about we must
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: ban hate, this vague sort of you know, we must
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: ban all hate, which is ridiculous, and frankly, people should
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: be free to hate whatever they want to hate, but
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: you're not free to act on that hate. You're certainly
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: not free to commit acts of violence. But when the
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: government is so vague, it allows room for the Greens
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: to then say, well, what about hate against trans people
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and gay people and ooriginal people and every other type
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: of identity group that they wish to nominate. And I'm
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: not saying that any of that hate is okay, but
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I am saying that's not the hate that caused fifteen
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: people to be murdered in cold blood at Bondai just
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: And that's the salient point. You can say, oh, they
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: could have been Muslims, or they could have been Transferab. Well,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: yes they could have.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: But they were, but they weren't exactly.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: And it actually respond reminds me of a response by
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: the very same type of left activists during the Black
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Lives Matter movement?
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Do you remember that?
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: And people say, and there was a response all lives matter,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: and the left posted memes of the yeah, yeah, but
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: your lives aren't the ones being lost. You're not the
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: ones who are being killed by police, You're not the ones.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Who are living in poverty.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, so, yeah, all lives matter, but some
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: people are suffering more than others. Well, it's exactly the
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: same this, Yes, or people should be protected from hate
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: and no one should be subjected to violence.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: But what we're talking about now is a.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Very specific act, very specific violence, with a very specific motivation,
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: and it doesn't have anything to do with trans people
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: have to say, all right, let's go to the front
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: page of the Canberra Times.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Pay rises for the top tier reads the headline. Have
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: a listened to this. Australia's E Safety Commissioner, Julie Inman
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Grant is taking home a seventy four thousand dollars salary bump.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: They like it?
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: How they call that a salary bum? Yes, that's a
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: little tire wage to enforce the government's social media ban
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: this year, after senior agency heads collectively received pay rises
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: of around two point four percent, the head of the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: National Online Safety Regulator, who's leading the government's implementation of
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: social media restrictions for under sixteens, is earning an additional
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: seventy three thousand, seven hundred and ninety dollars in the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five twenty six financial year, bringing her annual
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: salary to five hundred and thirty three and a half
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. A seventy four thousand dollars pay rise. Joe,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: how do you like that your wife wouldn't have to
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: go out to work?
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I would actually, if anyone would like, new E Safety
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Commissioner happy.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: To do the job.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I've got a pretty good vibe about sort of what
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: works and what doesn't. As Jmac just said, you know,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I just solved hate speech in about what thirty seconds
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: in the last topic of line.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'll take the money.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I'll you know, I'll give some of it to the
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Lost Dogs Home if that makes people feel better, you know,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: donate ten percent charity.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: It's still come out ahead.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: It's hard work trying to control the internet, you know,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean you need another seventy four thousand
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: dollars in order to deal with that.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Now you just say, hey, grot control the Internet? Very good?
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Can I point out something quickly value for money? So
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the e Safety Commissioner gets a seventy four thousand dollars
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: pay rise, right the woman in charge of the AFP,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: which I would say is a little more important right
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: now than banning kids from getting on social media nineteen
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars pay rolls, see.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Although she was already on like about eighty grand. And again,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: if anyone is looking for a new commissioner for the
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Australian Federal Police, I'm available.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Just give me a call number.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: You know that that'll be a trip into the wild West.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Anyway, onto the Daily Telegraph now and as you can imagine,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: it is all over these terrible spate of shark attacks
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: in Sydney. It says, simply stay out of the water.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Josh Hanrahan and Matthew Ben's both great friends of mine. Caleb, Yeah,
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: great likes, great mates of mine. City siders have been
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: worn to stay out of the water after three shark
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: attacks in twenty five hours.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: It still seems amazing to even say that.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Last night a surfer was given CPR on the sand
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Manly after being mauled. Earlier, a surface board was chomped
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: at d Y where of course that horrible fatal attack
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: occurred just last year, and that followed Sunday's attack in
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Sydney's East. And if you want to know the Daily
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Telegraph's position on sharks, it's pretty much kill them all exactly.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Sometimes we don't say it like that, but that's what
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: we're thinking. On insight. It's terrible.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: On the front of the Advertiser tomorrow was sad story.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: He was joy Health Minister Chris Picton and his family,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: This is the health minister in South Australia, have paid
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: loving tribute to his political mastermind, brother Tim Tim Picton
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: thirty six beloved dad de Charlotte four died yesterday after
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: he was coward punched in Perth. His kindness, generosity and
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: humor brought joy to our lives, the Picton family said,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And he'd worked as a strategist for the Labor Party.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: He's been working in the mining industry most recently and
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: was coward punched outside a pub, a club or something
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: weeks ago. Now it's been in hospital the whole time,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: so an awful time for the Picton family.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: He was the guy who was behind Mark McGowan's Yeah
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: win read a ballge record, broke all records and left
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: I think the Liberal Party with two seats or something.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Yep, Torrago Sockers.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Our thoughts are with the Picton family. Another story in
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: the front of the Taza tomorrow, is there a serial
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: killer in your bowl? Cereals are an easy grab for
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: early mornings on auto pilot, but your favorite pick is
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: often packing more sugar than you realize. In a new
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: ranking of serial nutrition value, plain rolled oats took first place,
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and corn flakes were only just ahead of kid favorites
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: such as cocoa pops and fruit loops, which came in
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: last due to their high sugar.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Conlit cocoa root loops came in last.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I know who do.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: But the corn flakes are only just ahead of them.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: So the moral of the story is have the cocoa pops.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Corn flakes.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: If the corn flakes are only just ahead, I think
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: the moral of the story is a win. Is a win?
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Great point. All right, We're going to go to a
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: break when we come back. The Australian politician who is
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: baffled by strange objects that keep appearing in his letterbox.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: That's coming up next. Welcome back to the show, and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: now to one of the stranger political stories of the week.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Caleber politicians getting weird objects in his letter book.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, the Deputy mayor of Mount Gambia, at the bottom
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: of South Australia is dealing with them. Well, something rather odd.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: He's had all sorts of things in his letter box
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: and up since he's come back from holidays. He's found
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: shells that there is a shrine to Nicholas Cage that
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: was put in his doorstep. He's found shells, Lolly's garlic,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: a signed photo of Delta Gudrum a Keanu Reeves Children's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: book in his letterbox, a QR code stuck on his
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: letterbox that if you scanned it took you to Rick
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Astley's never going to give you up, so you're getting
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Rick rolled. Then he found a bunch of blue items.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Butterfly wings, a blue tie, googly eyes were stuck to
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: his letter box. It was a hand fan, a book,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: a color sample card, and the chap who is alleged
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to be doing all of it looks like this and
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: he has no idea why any of this is going on? What?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: What on earth is happening in Mount Gambia. I know
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: they've got a problem with people smoking ice down there.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: But no, God, that's.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Is he upset about this or is he?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I think he's a bit amused by the whole thing.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: But like what there?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You'd be pretty perturbed to find a shrined Nicholas Cage
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: on your.
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: Nicholas Cage has been doing some great work lately. It's
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: perfectly rational.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Do it at your house, not mine.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, it's weird.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: The thing is they've called this guy the letterbox lurker,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: but he's also been described as a mystery Bandit. Surely
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: a bandit is someone who takes things not giving to it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: It should be called the Mystery Mystery Icy Santa with
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: the weird face mask. Anyway, I work in pr and
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: comms incidentally, and I'm happy to do that job for
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: eight hundred thousand dollars a year as well, if anyone's offering.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: Now, speaking of comm's, so, how did that segue? Incredible?
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: A bunch of protesters in Greenland and the Denmark have
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: started wearing red MAGA caps.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: You wouldn't read about it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: Surely they'd be anti Maga because Trump keeps threatening to
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: invade Greenland and take it over.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Baha. Here's the catch.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Those witty little Inuit funsters have in fact made Magasa
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: make America go away, another nugget of Scandinavian humor.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Therefore, you just I'm sure it'll make all the difference.
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: Not just a habit that has gold part of them.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And this is this is why Trump needs to take
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: over Greenland, because if the only defense they have is
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: wearing caps, playing on the Maga reference will then to.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Encourage Trump to do something. I think it's to tell
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: him to go away.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I think he'd like the compliment really exactly.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Also read apparently in the Inuit language nuke, which is
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: apparently a play on Greenland's capital nuke.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: All right, before we go, It's good to be the king,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: but not always. Prince William has taken to riding a
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: scooter recently, but having moved address to Forrest Lodge inside
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the four thy eight hundred acre winds a Great Park,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: he's no longer allowed to use his scooter because inside
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: that park all forms of motorized transport are outlawed for
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: safety reasons and traffic management. So he's the Prince, but
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: not even the Prince can ride a scooter there.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: He won't be riding his luggage like the kids, will he.
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: That's it, from us to the ground. Coming up is
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: the reader pennety show.
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: Good Night,