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Patriots Unfiltered 3/15: Kicking Off Free Agency, New England Swaps LBs with Browns · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 1: at Jilette Stadium, and the news is coming fast and
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  Speaker 1: furious for the other teams right now. I was gonna say,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, things are happening here at Ailette Stadium, and
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  Speaker 1: this is more like it usually is, isn't it this? Yea?
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  Speaker 1: This is this is more like normal. Last year was
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  Speaker 1: an outlier. Crazy. We were the Jags last year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was that was Yeah. I mean, and even the
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  Speaker 1: Jags aren't signing kind of players we signed last year. Yea.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they've gone even farther. But I'm seeing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the same Twitter chokes of backing up the
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  Speaker 1: brinks truck and I've just signed with the Jags and
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  Speaker 1: those kind of things. Yeah, but um, you know, so
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  Speaker 1: there is news coming out people that they've resigned a
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  Speaker 1: big you know what a trade. I'm glad you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad you caught yourself a notable trade. I'm glad. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's because the Patriots were involved. Other than that, well,
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  Speaker 1: I think everyone's favorite blonde haired outside linebacker Chase Winovich
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  Speaker 1: has been traded to the Browns for uh, what's his name,
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  Speaker 1: Mack Wilson. Wilson. Now, he had a great first year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he started like fourteen games I think in his rookie year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he started the last fourteen games plays of the defense.
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  Speaker 1: He had a knee injury in twenty twenty. Uh, and
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  Speaker 1: he didn't play that much last year. Six starts fourteen games,
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  Speaker 1: I mean most special teams. So but he runs fast apparently,
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  Speaker 1: and that's all anybody wants, right, So, yeah, he's small
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  Speaker 1: and it was a player for player. Yeah, similar two guys.
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  Speaker 1: Did the Patriots get better, even if it's incremental, I
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  Speaker 1: would say maybe, just because it's they might have maybe
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  Speaker 1: a position they need a little bit more. But I
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  Speaker 1: still think the bunch a depth that outside linebacker and
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of depth that inside linebacker, and none of
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  Speaker 1: it's really proven beyond Matthew Judon that's kind of the
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  Speaker 1: only guy. Well, the question to me is is he
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  Speaker 1: going to play defense? Did they trade for him to
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  Speaker 1: play defense or did they trade for him to play
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  Speaker 1: special teams? Because if they traded for him to play
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  Speaker 1: special teams, the answer is no, they didn't get better.
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  Speaker 1: Questions and we don't know. The I don't know the
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  Speaker 1: answer is that first year, his rookie year, he had
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  Speaker 1: like eighty some odd tackles and you know he had
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  Speaker 1: every down three, you know, a really good player. And
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  Speaker 1: then what happened, Yeah, well, knee injury. You mentioned the
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  Speaker 1: unique knee injury. But then last year he wasn't that
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  Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't as good either, right, so what
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  Speaker 1: happened last year? Oh? I mean I think there is
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  Speaker 1: a parallel to Winovich and you know, not that win
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  Speaker 1: of Itch really showed a lot his rookie year like
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  Speaker 1: this guy did. But um, you know, I kind of
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  Speaker 1: see that whole group is as similar. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that he's like, oh well, now we got a guy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's in the mix with ray
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  Speaker 1: Kua McMillan and Cameron mcgron and Anthony Jennings and Gelanni
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  Speaker 1: Tavayan to Rose Hall and that kind of group. And
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  Speaker 1: how's it all going to play out? I mean, at
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  Speaker 1: this point right now, it just seems like we're you
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  Speaker 1: and throw it at the wall and see who can
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  Speaker 1: compete and who who's going to win a job. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's another guy. It's another one year deal,
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  Speaker 1: Miles Jack's available, Miles Jack, which a lot of guys
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  Speaker 1: still available that our name, right, Yeah, And I think
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  Speaker 1: that's everybody who's like pulling their hair out. It's like
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  Speaker 1: we said, I mean, this is kind of what they do,
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  Speaker 1: and I understand what people want, and I do think
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  Speaker 1: that they need to get younger and better. But I
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  Speaker 1: think the next couple days or where you see the
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  Speaker 1: values start to come out and and all right, these
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  Speaker 1: are the guys that got passed over in the initial rush,
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  Speaker 1: and we'll be able to maybe bank them more amenable
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  Speaker 1: to a deal that's a little more friendly for us.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean, I think I still think there are
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  Speaker 1: moves to come. I don't I think losing JC and
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  Speaker 1: having the big opening a cornerback seen it coming for
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  Speaker 1: two years, and I think that's definitely worthy of conversation
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  Speaker 1: and concern. The trade. The trade for me, though, the
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  Speaker 1: first thing I thought of was the Bethel Johnson Jonathan
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  Speaker 1: Sullivan trade where two players who both teams. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: those guys were both kind of you know, higher up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll first round draft pick and Sullivan's case
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  Speaker 1: right back then, but two guys who sort of were
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  Speaker 1: underperforming with the current teams that and they kind of
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  Speaker 1: figure out maybe a change of scene. He's kind of
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  Speaker 1: could be the best kind of thing. That's the first
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  Speaker 1: thing I thought of with Winovich though. It was to me.
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  Speaker 1: He gets the haircut, then he's traded. It's hair today,
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  Speaker 1: gone tomorrow. So he didn't get to write. Guy, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: can I just do an extra? Got to put a
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  Speaker 1: bow on that story, right, he comes up with him.
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  Speaker 1: It is funny though, the day after he cuts it. Seriously,
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  Speaker 1: he must have known like, oh, I'm going to get
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  Speaker 1: a new job. I better make time time for a
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  Speaker 1: time for a change. Alabama guy, another Mac from Alabama. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so obviously the biggest news this week is J. C.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson leaving. He's gone officially, He's now a charger Charger guaranteed.
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  Speaker 1: I still say I said it before. I would have
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  Speaker 1: signed him or at least franchised him, at least keep
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  Speaker 1: the asset. If the market was that hot for him,
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  Speaker 1: then maybe you can get a third round. Well. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder how hot the market was though, because I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: The only team I heard that was really interested in
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  Speaker 1: him was the team that ended up signing. Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't hear anybody's name other than the Chargers associated
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  Speaker 1: with jac Jackson. I heard the generic sort of oh,
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a market for his services, but no
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  Speaker 1: teams were ever like that. I heard of were saying like,
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  Speaker 1: let's just say the Broncos are really interested in Jac. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I never heard anything other than the Chargers associated with
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  Speaker 1: his name. So I wonder if he did the shopping
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  Speaker 1: around and realized, wow, LA is the only one, or
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  Speaker 1: if they just threw that money at him and he
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  Speaker 1: kind of did like the Jackie Child's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: so I'm in. Or teams were just quiet about it
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  Speaker 1: because they didn't want to like start a bidding war.
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  Speaker 1: But usually you hear like, yeah, usually the agent takes
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  Speaker 1: care of you. Here, like at least a handful of
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  Speaker 1: teams start a bidding war. Yeah, it did take a
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  Speaker 1: little while. It wasn't like they had that deal all
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  Speaker 1: cued up and was all agreed to. I mean there
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  Speaker 1: were a couple not a boss today but h J yeah, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I know. I mean I mean there were a couple
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  Speaker 1: though that like as soon as twelve o'clock hit it
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  Speaker 1: like and this guy has so I mean maybe there
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  Speaker 1: was some back and forth with some teams that pretty quick.
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  Speaker 1: I mean to sign on day one, no matter whether
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  Speaker 1: it's in the afternoon or in the evening, it's that's great.
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  Speaker 1: And don't forget it's West Coast time. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that the money wasn't outrageous. I mean the forty million,
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  Speaker 1: that's a nice guarantee, but it comes out to like
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  Speaker 1: sixteen and a half million. You know, Now those years
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  Speaker 1: at the end it was a five year deal, and
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  Speaker 1: the years at the end, who knows, So really it's
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  Speaker 1: the first two or three years that really matter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, it was like eighty two and a
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  Speaker 1: half million for five years, forty million guaranteed, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of common now about half of contracts or guarantee.
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  Speaker 1: They used to not be that way, but now fifty
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  Speaker 1: percent of more of these contracts of being guaranteed. So
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like outrageous. It was about where the franchise
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  Speaker 1: would have been. That was like seventeen and a half
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  Speaker 1: and this comes out. So I still say, I think
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  Speaker 1: I think they should have signed him. Well, I think
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  Speaker 1: they should have. I could have kept the asset. My
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  Speaker 1: preference would have been tagged with the intention of trading
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  Speaker 1: or tag because I don't think they were going to
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  Speaker 1: pay that kind of money for I think I would
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  Speaker 1: have tagged. If you trade him, great, but be prepared
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  Speaker 1: to pay him, right, that's the risk you have to take.
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  Speaker 1: So they would have had to do some accounting jiu
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  Speaker 1: jitsu to get him underneath there because they had to
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  Speaker 1: resign all of these existing guys that they wanted to keep.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm fine letting him go. I've I've seen it
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  Speaker 1: for two years coming. I just don't think he's there
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  Speaker 1: kind of guy. I don't think he's a guy that
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  Speaker 1: you invest in long term to build around. Um. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to argue with you. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have much talent, certainly long term on the roster right now,
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  Speaker 1: and that part of it hurts. There's no real I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think more Jaila Mills than some people,
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  Speaker 1: but I still don't think he's a starting outside corner
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  Speaker 1: that they've had. And now what do you do? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you really don't have anybody in place. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: can put Mills back there for another ar sure, and
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  Speaker 1: you got Jonathan Jones and Moles Brian, but I think
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  Speaker 1: you know you need at least two guys there, and
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, it's just kind of the tip of
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  Speaker 1: the iceberg. Like even if you had JC Jackson, I'd
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  Speaker 1: still feel like you need some moves to happen. So now,
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  Speaker 1: I just saw on the Sports Hubs TV broadcast here
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  Speaker 1: that I didn't see whose tweet it was. It might
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  Speaker 1: have been Albert Breer, but um, that the Patriots offered
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  Speaker 1: him Jackson three years fifty one million. Did I see that? Right?
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  Speaker 1: It just kind of they quickly showed a tweet and
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  Speaker 1: it was gone before I could read the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: But it's possible. But you don't know how that structured,
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  Speaker 1: like how much of that was contingent on things, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like how much of it was guaranteed. You don't know, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I've just seen different reports that the Patriots
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  Speaker 1: had offered three at fifteen and then then it dropped
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  Speaker 1: to three thirteen. But then I also saw reports here
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  Speaker 1: met yeah, that that that the Patriots weren't even really
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  Speaker 1: close to it, never really in the mix, um, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he heard something similar with Ted Harris
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  Speaker 1: where they had put money on the table for him,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, he went somewhere else for a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more so. So Yeah, carrass is out. Yeah, Bengals. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: helped protect Joe Burro, Um, mccordy, and Slater in Nick
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  Speaker 1: Nick focus in James ferns, I don't want to get
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  Speaker 1: ahead of our parents. I know Paul's got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff teet up about about his favorite he's not
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  Speaker 1: here signing. Uh yeah, I don't really want to get
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  Speaker 1: into it, but he's writing the analysis that you that
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  Speaker 1: I forced the god forbid. Well, when we signed somebody important,
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  Speaker 1: then it's worth analyzing until then. I I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: I remember specifically two weeks ago on the show, we
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  Speaker 1: were kind of talking, um, you know, I think I
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  Speaker 1: think Fred you said directly, who do you want to sign?
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  Speaker 1: And I kind of was like, kind of our own guys,
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  Speaker 1: and then it went into a thing of saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you owe Devin mccordy money. And at the
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  Speaker 1: time I was misinformed believing that if you have dead
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  Speaker 1: money that you know, you can somehow play with it, um,
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  Speaker 1: and so apparently you can. I mean, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: I was put back in my place on that inventially,
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  Speaker 1: but now I'm seeing, you know, mcguel putting out the
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  Speaker 1: tweet that that uh, that it went from six point
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  Speaker 1: four or five down to five points up. So somehow
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  Speaker 1: they reduced the dead money hit on mccordy. Now they
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  Speaker 1: did push money out, um, you know down. I think
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  Speaker 1: to twenty twenty six, you're still playing dead money for mccordy.
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  Speaker 1: But I'll just get this out before Paul gets here,
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  Speaker 1: and then I'll and then i'll you know, we'll get back.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's fine. I don't I don't work.
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  Speaker 1: You can manipulate it all the way, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: Paul says, but it's not crap. You have to figure
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  Speaker 1: it out somehow. So like you can sign anyone you
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  Speaker 1: want for any amount of money, but there comes a
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  Speaker 1: date by which you have to be under the cap, right,
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  Speaker 1: so however you figure that out, you have to, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why I think it's lazy to just say
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  Speaker 1: the cap is crap. Yeah, and one like you can
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  Speaker 1: you can manipu. There's a million ways to manipulate it, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: especially in long terms. But I think it's the one
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  Speaker 1: year stuff with a franchise tag and a one year deal.
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  Speaker 1: Those are those are harder to those. You can't those
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  Speaker 1: that's it, that's real money. You know, you can't fudge
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  Speaker 1: that around. But like like you said, with this mccordy thing,
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  Speaker 1: like they're pushing stuff to twenty twenty six, Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna be around to twenty twenty six. So eventually
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be some dead money associated with Devin mccordy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, and then you know, and are
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  Speaker 1: they playing as we said yesterday, are they paying a
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  Speaker 1: premium for pregame and postgame speeches? Right? Maybe a little bit, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: But I'm fine with it. I don't think that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's crazy mine. I think they need to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: keep some of the leadership in place. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: mccordy is dropped off that much. And I think you've
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  Speaker 1: got three good safeties and that gives you some continuity.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm fine with Slater. I don't think that those
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  Speaker 1: moves are going to define. Oh no, this free agency period,
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  Speaker 1: the pages didn't get worse or better. But again, like
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  Speaker 1: I don't want it to seem like any of us
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  Speaker 1: was I don't think any of us was really expecting
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  Speaker 1: them to do something even remotely close to what they
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  Speaker 1: did last year in terms of signing marquee name players.
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  Speaker 1: So it was underwhelming yesterday, but it was also unsurprising.
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  Speaker 1: If we knew this, it's not, but we wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be surprised. We wanted to see you want to be
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  Speaker 1: like figure out like how to bring in a big
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  Speaker 1: but realistic. I thought they'd signed some realistic It's not
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  Speaker 1: over yet, no, I'm saying, but they would sign somebody.
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  Speaker 1: The first day is typically when the big stuff happens. Now.
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  Speaker 1: I know last year they had a big day on
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  Speaker 1: day one and then they had a big day on
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  Speaker 1: day two as well. But they don't have Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 1: that whole first week actually was very exciting last week.
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  Speaker 1: If they end up figuring out how to sign Miles Jack,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't that be a big thing. If they figure out
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  Speaker 1: a way to do it, that would be a big thing.
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  Speaker 1: That would be big. Yeah, he's available. What do they
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  Speaker 1: have to figure out sign him? That's what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: If they sign him, if they figure out a deal
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  Speaker 1: with Miles Jack, that would be big. Right. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: it's not, it's not a done deal. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: still could be things to come Miles Jack. There has
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  Speaker 1: to be there has to be stuff coming. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they just why they don't have a full roster oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: well they do, it's just not with players that you
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  Speaker 1: would They took all their guys back from last year.
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  Speaker 1: They had a full roster when they finished last year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they do have a full roster, it's just not you know,
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  Speaker 1: populated with people that you think are gonna I don't
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  Speaker 1: prove that that roster at cornerback right now, they got three.
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  Speaker 1: They got three guys they have they have bodies, is
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  Speaker 1: my point, Like they have bodies. How many people are
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  Speaker 1: on the roster right now? You have a draft, mic, right,
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you negative. Right now, there's sixty three.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty three, So there's room for a lot more. Because
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  Speaker 1: that's so technically that's a full roster. That's your fifty
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  Speaker 1: three man roster. You gotta cut ten guys. You're gonna
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  Speaker 1: add six from the draft, you know at least probably
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  Speaker 1: you know so that, but you still have room for
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  Speaker 1: twenty one more guys. But this this dovetails into something
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  Speaker 1: I brought up to Paul upstairs. Um, was that if
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  Speaker 1: you just look next year to twenty twenty three. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: the eighteen guys on the roster, Mike three team guys
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  Speaker 1: really bumped me out this morning. And of those eighteen
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  Speaker 1: bumped you out, bumped me out. Ten guys are ten
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  Speaker 1: guys are starts, like starters, guys that you'd want around.
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  Speaker 1: I'd maybe go to eleven. Me and Paul were probably split.
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  Speaker 1: But say that again, they have eighteen guys under contract
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  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty three, which is not crazy. Like I
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  Speaker 1: looked it around the rest of the league. It's not like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, they're an outlier in this league. But
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  Speaker 1: but it's generally what the dumb teams do. But you
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  Speaker 1: look at who are the guys that you really want
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  Speaker 1: to build around of that group, and and you know,
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: it's it's a little frightening. And I think, you know,
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: even for somebody like me and Paul brought up you
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: know how how I often am fond of saying that
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: I think Bill when he leaves wants to have the
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: organization in great shape. Well, it's hard for me as
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: that person to reconcile looking at the roster next year
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: and saying, you got to hit on like ten draft
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: picks this year. You know, you need a lot of work.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I still think they got a lot, a
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: lot of things to do in free agency. I think
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: you're you know this is when they usually start to
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: let the big things go find the guys who are
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: you know, in the mix, and I know that that
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: maybe is not as exciting, but get to the clearance ract.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: I think they got a lot of work to do.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: I think they got a lot of work to do.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, maybe it's just the events of that
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: last couple of days kind of reminding you of that,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: because I don't really feel all that surprised, but I
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: still want it to be a little bit surprised. Yeah,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: we wanted to be surprised, where yeah, we always want
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: to just summarize my thought like, yeah, I mean I
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: kind of thought they wouldn't do a whole lot, but
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: I was still bummed out that they didn't. Yeah, sure,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you know, now never been years where they've done a
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: lot of their work on week two when most of
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: the high profile names are gone. So this has that
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: kind of feel like and I'm not interested in I mean,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: like Fred's Miles Jack thing. You know he just got
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: released today. I mean that would qualify as something you
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: know that that would be big. But I mean generally,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: when you wait a week, you're getting guys that, oh Paul,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying no, I want it unless you trade.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Unless you do some type of trade. Yeah, you know,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: but well not a lot something a lot of commodity
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: to get trade like special teams linebackers. But you're not
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: going to trade like to get Miles Jack. Like if
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: he was a trade candidate, you're not getting him for
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Chase winning, right, I mean, what do you have that's
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: tradeable right now other than future first round draft picks? Oh, Chase,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: one of which was one of your was one of
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the probably the first guys you'd say, right, I mean
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: that that was that that's the kind of guy and
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: kill Harry, right. I mean, those are the guys that
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: you're going to be trading. Otherwise you're losing something you want, right,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean. Like, what do you have that's
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: worth something to another team? Yeah, to get somebody like
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: a like a Miles Jack. I know he's cut. I
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: mean like that type of player. Draft picks can always
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: be involved, but I don't think that makes a lot
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: of sense when you only have six of them and
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: you need to get younger. Yeah, And it's not like
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you have a bunch of depth at a position where hey,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: we can move on from veteran player X to give
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: younger player be a chance, like you're already kind of
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: being forced into that. Yeah, okay, sorry, We're just I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: feel like we're waiting. We're waiting still right, keep waiting.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I can. I can just imagine what's going on right
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: now in the football offices. I mean, I'm sure that
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: like they're working overtime. They're working overtime because where they
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: know that they've got a lot of work to do.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: When I brought up to I said to Paul this
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: morning as well, is like you brought up Miles Jack
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: as an example. How how does football prepare for those
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: kind of releases, those kind of you know, all of
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: a sudden, nobody's talking about Miles Jack for the last
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: two months as being an option for the Patriots, just
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: using as him as an example, But how do you
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: stay ready for that kind of thing where you know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: we're targeting this free agent that we know is going
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: to be a free agent in you know, in like
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: give me who's a linebacker that was a free agent
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: this year that's like Layton Vanderis or whatever, just a
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: free agent we know we're targeting him. All of a sudden,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Miles Jack comes available and you say, geez, he's way better, Like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: you know, how do you know what I mean? Like
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you have to be fluid, But is there any way
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to kind of know we think these guys could be available?
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: We think these guys, I mean, that's what the pro
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Personnel Department does. Now, nobody knows every single guy that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: going to get released, but they'll tell you, like, you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and that's where like the analytics, the research people that
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: are more unto the numbers will tell you, you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at Cincinnati and I'm looking at the rams,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: and the numbers don't drive here, They're going to have
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: to cut some guys. Here are a couple of guys
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: that are strong candidates to get released. And I think
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: that's where the combine also comes in, where you have
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: that week of all the decision makers are kind of
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: gathered and you kind of start doing your your groundwork
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: for Hey, you got a guy that you don't really
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: play much. We kind of like him. What's the chances
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of you know, and don't underestimate the role of agents
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: in this whole. Well, yeah, because most times when a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: guy like Miles Jack gets released, it was not a
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: stunner to Miles Jack. Now I'm not telling you that's
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: always the way. Sometimes it is sometimes, you know, like
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: go back to the most famous lawyer, lawyer Milloy. Yeah. Look,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they were working with lawyer Malloy to read you his
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: contract the entirety of the off season. So lawyer Molloy
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: could not have been stunned that it ended the way
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: it did the way we were right like, they were
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: asking him constantly to read you his deal. So finally, no,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: he may have said they won't cut me, and it
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: was a surprise to him, but not a stunner that
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: it might. But it might be on the table more
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: often than not when a guy, you know, just looking
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: at this timeline to me, Jacksonville was probably looking at
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: it and saying, we're probably gonna have to do something
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: with Miles, Jack. But let's make sure that we get
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: these guys, because they signed like three or four guys yesterday.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Let's make sure we get the guys that we that
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: we think we're going to get that we're in on,
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and then if we do, we'll have to let them go. Yep. Yeah,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: So all right, A five five pats five hundred is
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the A Sticket Outline web Radio at pagris dot com.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Other stuff going around the league. Um, you know, as
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you said, some other teams are making some big trade
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: JC Jackson over to the Chargers. Yeah that's ah, Paul.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: What did you think about if those numbers are right?
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: You know, um on Jackson five years eighty two a
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: little less than I thought, just like just a little
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: bitch a million. Yeah, I see, I said, I still
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: think they should have signed him. Well, yeah, you wanted
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a franchise for that, well, or signed clearly they didn't
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: want a franchise and for seventeen point three, so they're
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: not going to sign them to a five year deal
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: for sixteen point five. No, I know, but like like
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and you, I would have done either one. I would
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: have done either one. Right, No, and you were very
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: consistent with that and that, you know, I like from
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: back in like October, right, you were very consistent with that.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: You haven't wavered, no, and I package that I keep
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: them both. But anyway, yeah, he hasn't wavered. Yeah, we'll
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: see on Thursday when you guys all to yourself. Where
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you going, I'm off I'm off? Oh yeah, um yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So with with jay Z, Jacks, Peter Kiss play, there
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: were so many. I don't know if the Yeah, they're him,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: they're in. They're in a play in game. Oh yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: they play tomorrow right then? Yeah, you're right that I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: forgot about that. Yeah, they're already in. Could you play
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: in game two? I hate when they call it the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: first four I thought that, Um, I thought that if
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you one year conference, you're automatically in. They are, But no,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: they have to play in. They're in. That's that's in
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: the turn To me, that's not I agree with you. Yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, it's still to me, it's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a sixty sixty fourteen. I still consider it a sixty fourteen.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Providence is in there? Where do you draw the line
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: one game? If you had a player in time, it's
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: been thirty two, forty eight, fifty three, sixty four, and
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: sixty eight. But I still consider it sixty four now.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: But if you have to do a play in game,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: then you didn't get an automatic bit. You did get
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: an automatic bit. If they didn't get an automatic bit,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't be in the playing game. I know what
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: you're saying, But today I agree with you. That's still
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: a prove it game. I agree with you, it's approve it, right,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: those are the rules. I know it's to know, but
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I thought playing games for only the at large pete. No,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: there's there's two of those, and there's two for sixteen seeds. Yeah,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: that are automatics. That's the way they do it. Anyway,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: it's it's coctas. Anyway, we're talking football here, Um, football's time. Yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: The JC Jackson thing, what I found kind of interesting
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: is it was it was a little less mind. Like
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I thought, probably like seventeen or eighteen. You got sixteen
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and a half. So I'm not gonna sit there's wow,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: he signed right away and that's all he got. No,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: he banked, he got he got a huge set, he
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: got a huge contract. A lot of people are like
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: killing the Patriots for not like, how can they not
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: go They told you the week before when they didn't
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: franchise him they weren't willing to go to seventeen point three, right, Yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: like for eight hundred thousand, you think that that was
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: going to be the difference. Plus, as Mike said, the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: forty guaranteed over a five year Like they were telling you,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: seventeen point three was more than they were comfortable paying. Yeah,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: so sixteen and a half was still too much. Yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: like the difference between you know, less than a million
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: is not gonna you know, change change that. And again
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you've been very consistent. You wanted to keep him, you
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: thought they should have gone. I just look at the league,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: and there aren't Like, he's not a shutdown corner. I'm
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: admitting that to all those people that are saying he's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: not the Roe Reevers and he's not kill him. Yes
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: he's not. There aren't a lot of them. But you
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: need somebody, and you're gonna have to pay somebody, and
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: when they get even to his level, you're gonna have
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to pay the Yeah, it's like with quarterbacks, like you
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: might not want to have to pay a starting quarterback
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: kind of money you pay like the Vikings just guaranteed
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: thirty five millions her cousins. But that's the going, right,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Matt Jones just stays like an average quarterback. Yeah, it
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: gets to his fifth year, he gets there. I'm just saying.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I said, if he gets there to his fifth year
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and he's an average quarterback, he's gonna get paid by somebody. Yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: you know right, he's gonna get paid. And again, like
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, I bring up that example again, like he's
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: made an incredible career out of being an average quarterback.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: All of the national UH heavyweights were wrong on the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Randy Gregory to Dallas thing. Evidently he's signing with Denver.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Randy Gregory signed a big all said he was staying
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in Dallas. Yeah, five year. Yeah. Tell you that that
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: AFC West is an arms race, right, yeah, it is.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It is an arms race. They are just loading up
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: charge repete against each JC and Mac. Yeah. I wonder
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: if that puts them out on on von Miller. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: hear some interesting stuff like Miller would still maybe considering.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you that the team, the odd team out
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: might be Kansas. I heard Tyrone Matthew is leaving. Yeah,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: they're not going to resign him. He's available, you know. Interesting,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: So I mean that that's gonna be a wild of him.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Who would you have rather had wild and crazy Tyrone Matthew, Yes?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Or d mac Tyro Matthew. Yeah. I mean I mean
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that's even though, like that's a tough one. I think
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: they're a little bit different kind of players. But and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: you and you're gonna have him one year? Yeah? I
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: think if you if you tell me, I can have
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: him for at least three years, I'll take because that's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: what you'd be signing him for. Yeah, you wouldn't be
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: signing him for one year. He's a he's younger. Yep, Um,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: he's more of a playmaker. I think he's more of
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: a playmaker. I don't like he seems to have been
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: a leader at Kansas City. Like you know, I'm not
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: so much worried about that aspect of But I want
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a guy I am, I said, not so much. I
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: want to start with who's going to be an impactful
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: player on the field. The off field stuff is great,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: but I want you to be an impact player on
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: the field first. Yeah, and I think he would have
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: been more of a well an asset. Has he signed
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: with anyone? He hasn't, but the fact that the cross
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: him off the Patriots ain't signing there. Yeah, why so
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: he could be the fourth safety? Well maybe maybe he's not. Maybe,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: you know, can you play corner? Could be in a
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: four man rotation. That's why I bring up the would
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: you rather have? Maybe now you you trade Kyle Dugger.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe he's like if you had, if
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you had, if you had Phillips and Matthew as your
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: two starters and Dugger like, maybe Dugger is a potential
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: like down the road, like mid season trade prospect if
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: he doesn't kind of pan out the way you think,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: or if not, you keep him. Paul's like, I don't
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: want to He's one of the five guys play. I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: don't want to trade him. Yeah, I mean I don't
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: want to trade him either. But I'm saying like I
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: don't want Tyron Matthew instead of Kyle Dugger. I'll take
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger. I know that might shock people with me
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: being positive on a young Patriot player. It is Matthew
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: was knocking on the door and he's coing on his
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: fourth team. Like, I don't think Tyrn Matthew is Jordan
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Poy or Micah Hyde. I'll take those two over what
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I have, you know, as older safeties. Tyron Matthews not
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: that guy. No way, I'll take too. You would take
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Devin mccordy. Yeah, Now, I wouldn't necessarily done the contract
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that they did for Devin mccordy, like pushing more. You know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: these void years are ridiculous. We look forget about the Okay,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: so let's just say that you haven't done the contract
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: yet with mccordy, because I get it, you're not gonna
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: pay Matthew and mccordy. But what if it was one
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: or the other. You know, if I think this is
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: an argument to be made that mccordy is more valuable
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: with the Patriots than Matthew would be coming in really, yeah, Okay,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think Tyron Matthew is, you know, in his prime. Okay,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I think he's a good player, but I don't think
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: he's in this prime, much like I know mcquody's not
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: in this prime, right. I watched him the last whole Thanks,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: the guy who stays on his own team is more
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: valuable than so that. Eric. I caught that too. I
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: caught that too. I didn't want to go down that road.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Not the same I didn't want to go down that road.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I get it. That's that's thanks, that's stupid. It's funny
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: for you, normally the most humorless guy. I just said
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that I wouldn't want Tyron Matthew. He looked at me like,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I just like, you know, ate an onion or something.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: So that was funny for the most humorless guy in
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the show. But wow, but it's not the same. He
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: don't get mad at me. I didn't force you to
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: write the same the useless analysis piece today, So don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: get mad at me. Take your anger out on the
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: person that you're just supposed to take it. Who's harumpan.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Now Paul's mad because I made him right today. It's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: not mad for that one. It's we gotta talk, Okay.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I do get I'm curious. I'm getting two thousand and
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: five defense vibe, and that's I was just curious to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: your guys's opinion on that one where it was like,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: all the sudden you went from thy law and and
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: then dween Starks. But you know, you go, well, it
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: was just a period where you had a bunch of
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: guys who have been around for a while. Bruski stroke
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: obviously that without you didn't see that coming. But Fiffer,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you know, I think Johnson was gone at that point.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know. I'm just I'm getting
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: the vibe of these positions at cornerback and linebacker that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're gonna look out there and
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: you're like Monty Bisle, like Chad Brown, like you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden. It just goes from like a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: defense that is established and you're like, God, I love
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: these guys that trust him to Like, I guess we're
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: gonna try to do it with this new group. Now.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. I think. I think it's
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: not just the Patriots, but you get you get caught
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: in positions in a certain position, you know, like because
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of the cycle, and it's like, oh, this is the
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: year that we're going to be short here, and you
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: just got to work through it, you know, you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: because like you said, during the Dynasty, that happened and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: they just had to work through it. I I remember
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the Monty Bis Chad Brown era. I remember Chad Brown
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: being folded up like a folding chair in Denver and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Monnie Bisel, you know, couldn't play. They didn't I couldn't play.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: It was awful. Chad Brown was a good player who
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: was passed this right and then they kind of outside
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: linebacker and they had him like inside the Babel was
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: moving inside, had a linebacker drives around in a Mini Cooper.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I mean that was ridiculous. How do you remember, Yeah, yeah, hey,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: how do you remember that? And be I remember that?
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: I just struck me. It's like, why wouldn't you want
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to be comfortable? What you think he wasn't comfortable? And
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a Mini Cooper, Well, the car is not mini like
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: for he's not like driving like a clown car now,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: but they're small cars, big enough for a linebacker to
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: fit in. I don't know, this is what I was
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: looking for when I asked about two thousand and five,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: what was Chad Brown driving? I just you know, did
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: you ask about two thousand and five? Well that was
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: where he brought it up, because I think it's a
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: great like when you said it, I was like, I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: remember what defense was stacked and it's not really cut.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: But then you started talking talking about some of the
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: different pieces that they had, and I was like, huh, yeah,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: it's not you get stuck. It's not all that different. Yeah,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I mean that's a different like that's what makes football
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: great but also more complicated. You have so many pieces
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: that you have to you know, take care of every year,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: so you know, it's not like basketball or hockey and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you know sation yeah yeah, and then you put the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: guys in the Sometimes when you get to a certain
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: position group, you know there's a year or two where
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: you're kind of stuck. You know, you're in that cycle
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: because you can't replenish every position every year, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: especially with what the Pagers are going through. Now, you
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: know it's it's there's going to be a position this
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: year that they're going to be not good at, you know,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, and they're gonna have to figure out how
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: to hide that. Yeah, And I mean, and I bring
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that up less like you know, one for one player,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: just as like a fan going from these players that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: you've been watching orever that you trust on the high tower,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: like you know, for example, to these new play these
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: new guys that you're trying to sell yourself on. Are
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: they are they patriots? Ye? Are they going to be
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: able to keep it going? Or like you know, is
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the magic just happened that they come in? And I mean,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I think that year was a little bit of a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: of a reminder. But then you know, I also think
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that you look at the turnover on defense, oh nine
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: ten those you know, you gotta find these gems like
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: you gotta find a Rob Nikovich, you know, you got
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to find a cast off long snapper. Then nobody's talking
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: about that all of a sudden knows how to play
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: or you and you got to hit the draft out
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: of the park. So I mean, I understand right now
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: after what happened in Buffalo and how the off season's
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: gone and people are like, we need to get better,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and right now it seems like you're at best tread
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: and water what you got. There's time to go. But
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: at the same time, like I think it's just shining
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a light on how badly they need to really get
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: some players in here. And it's probably the draft, but
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: maybe a free agent gem that that nobody's gonna talk
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: about and we're gonna you know, maybe it's this guy today,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Mac mac Wilson. But I think you know, we talked
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: about it last show, you know, when they got rid
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: of Van noy Um and now they got rid of Winovich.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: What we were saying about that linebacking corps is well again, yeah,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: if they're they're telling us that they agreed, right, But
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, as far as getting rid of those guys.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: But like, is mac Wilson gonna play defense? That's the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: question I brought up at the start. Did they trade
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: for him to play defense or special teams? Because Fred
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: asked at the start of the show are they better
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: because of this trade? And I said, well, if tell
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: me incremental? Yeah, But I said, tell me is he
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: gonna play defense or just special teams? Because if he's
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: just playing special teams, I don't think they're better better
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: from last year. No, over Winkovich, Like did they trade that? Yeah?
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: They don't play the same position, so it's not apples
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to apples. Yeah, Winovich is an outside edge guy and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Wilson isn't off off the ball inside gap. Yeah, so
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: they're not really the same, right. Well, I mean, like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and who's to say what the in Avich to Ronnie
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Perkins is gonna be to what Mac Wilson to uh Rayon? Like,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: it's is he better than Jawan Bentley? Because that looks
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: like the guy I think that's I think that's an
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: interesting name to bring up. And is this signal because
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: if that's the swap that they're that they're not gonna
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: go forward, which I'm surprised. I thought that Jawan Bentley
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: was going to come back and that was going to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: be the move that everybody's like, they're not gonna change
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the linemaker position. He's not fascinating, you know, like it
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: will freak people out but I think Joanni Tavy might
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: kind of be that thumper dude anyway. And see, I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: think Bentley is Bentley is smaller than most of those
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: guys that he usually has two He's just not um.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: He's not as small as Wilson. Like I like, despite
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: what I just wrote, I wouldn't be surprised if Bill
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Belichick just says, yeah, yeah, I'm good two hundred thirty
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: pind guy. Yeah, I'm gonna pu him in there, like
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: talk about going cold Turkey and just completely switching from
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: two fifty plus to I don't buy a small I
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: only need to see that before I believe that he's
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: going to do that. I think he probably feels that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: mac Wilson is a better alternative than a guy like
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to buy um to fill in to play different roles
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and maybe you know, he'll definitely play special teams. I
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: think I think that he's looking at that kind of
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a thing, and maybe he feels like with Ronnie Perkins
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and Josh Oocha and some of those guys, he has
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: some guys that might factor in on the edges. So
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Winovich was expendable, Let's get some more depth on the inside.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: But like you bring up ray Kuan McMillan. Don't you
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: have to expect to see ray Kuan McMillan out there
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: at the start of training camp calling the defense, calling
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: like and you're like, yeah, what are we doing? Yeah?
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Here we go. Yeah, that's what I kind of expect.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: He could be out there to start the start camp.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: But will he be there at the start of the
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: regular season. Well, as long as he's healthy. Yeah, if
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: he starts camp, that's what he'll feel like. That's well,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: you know, and how many times do you see that change?
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Like when the first thing that we see, you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: with a veteran like rookies that they go in and
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: out all the time, you know, oh wow, Miles Bryant's
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: getting a lot of run today. And you know, I'm
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not making fun of anybody. I'd write it too, but
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: when you see like a veteran like ray Kwon McMillan, well,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I just wonder. I just wonder if coming off the
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: knee injury, whether they put him out there to start
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: saying okay, let's go, and then they see, boy, he
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: really just doesn't have it and oh that could he
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, Yeah, that could happen. Absolutely. That's
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: why I said, if he's healthy. Yeah. I also just
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: wonder what's happening on the edges of the defense. I mean,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I think we've talked playing about the run defense, and
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: you know, say what you will about Dante hide Tower,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: but I think he's the last year set the edge
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: when he needed to set the edge. I don't know
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: who's set in the edge now. I don't know who's
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: going to set the edge of the of the side.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: You got Matthew Jude on one side, okay, but you know,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: I just I think there's some holes glaring right now.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Things that I really think, just from like a basic
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: football perspective, you need and you don't have a young,
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: tough edge guy right now. You have Jude on And
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that's about it is Ted Carriss not coming back. A
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: sneaky kind of loss. That's a little underrated because you
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: know that that line was having trouble last year and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: obviously when Trent Brown came back, that help, but it
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: also helped when they inserted Carriss at guard. It did. Yeah,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I think that was a good point of conversation throughout
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the year of like you know, maybe one for one,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: maybe you like the skill set of and when you
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: a little better. But it just worked better with Ted Carriss,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: whether it's experience or you know, just his you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: comfortability within New England. I think it just depends on
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: how you feel about a when you if you're pff,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: You're like, well, of course they'd let Ted Carriss walk.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: They've got the best guard in the league and Michael
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: and went to playing right, so you know. But but again,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: another you know, conversation Paul and I had is like,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you know, for for all the positive that you say
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: about Michael and when you he's not Logan Mankins. He's
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: not a day one walk in. Guess what, I'm playing
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: left guard and you're gonna have to drag me out
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: of here, Like I mean, for whatever reason, he's moved
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: around a little bit um so I like that move.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: And Mike and I did talk about this a little bit,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: and the reason is, like I look at some of
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: the things they've done in the last few years and
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I've been like, you don't need to give Shaq Mason
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: this big extension. You don't need to franchise tag Joe Tuney, like,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: just get the next guy, like Ted Carriss, was there
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: a market drop off between Joe Tuney and Ted Carriss
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: last year, Like did you look at Ted Carris and say, wow,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: they really I'm not saying Joe Tuney's not a better player.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not being like a Patriots homer and saying wow,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: they were right till that Tuney. No, I'm not saying
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: that at all. Joe Tuney's a better player than Ted Carriss.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: But did you look at that spot and say, wow,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: we really miss Joe Tuney at left guard? It doesn't,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and I don't think you'll miss Ted Carriss at left
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: To the layman, it doesn't seem like it was a
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: drop off, but like who knows when they go in
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: the film room what they know, Like maybe it was
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and we just don't realize it. But I'm just telling you,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You're right, and I don't I don't
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: ever pretend to be an expert on offensive line play.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Freddie, But when you watched the games,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: did you look at that and say, wow, Ted Carriss
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: is getting overwhelmed. They need to make a move there,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: like they're like or when when you was playing, like
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: they had some issues there's no question early in the
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: year they had something. They also had a lot of
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: moving parts. There were guys in and out of the
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: lineup constantly early in the year, and once Carris went in.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: I kind of think it was more coincidental than it was,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: you know, as a result of a drastic upgrade between
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Harris stabilization, right. I just think it kind of it
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: coincided with the line jelling a little bit, and Carris
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: was the beneficiary. I think, O, when you will play,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: he's gonna start somewhere. If Brown comes back, he'll start
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: definitely at guard. If Brown doesn't come back and they
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: need to replace both, they have a decision. I think, O,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: when you will stay at guard either way, and Haran
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: might be the right tackle, and then we'll start to
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: look at things. But I don't think a when you
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: was a problem. I think he was a good young player.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's great. But I like the idea
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of saying, yeah, Ted, Carris did a nice job for
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: us last year. Six million a year. Okay, thanks Ted,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I'm good with that. You know, we're all like, we
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: gotta improved where we got improve the line, gott improve cornerback, linebacker,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and then Bill says we can't improve special teams. Let's
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: bring in mac Wilson. Johnny Hecker is available too. I
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: don't know a punterer move. He's leave the punter alone.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: He's fine. Eric, you you you are very very defensive
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: of I get of my special teams, I know, but
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Hecker he's a weapon. I like Bailey. He's our guy
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: two years for full what's the guy, the San Jose
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: State guy? Oh Arizon, Yeah, the punt god. Yeah, he's
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: the guy coming left footed. That's right. I don't need
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: an offense anymore, except the punter only plays when you're
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: off exactly. Eight five five pass five hundred is the
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: a stick at line web radio at Patriots dot com.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Let's open it up, see what people are thinking about, right, Yeah,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: we'll start with Chris with a T. I A N.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Can't wait to stop. Christian. Hey, guys, what's happening? Hey?
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Not much over here? Literally, I am. You know. I
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: didn't expect expect him to do that much coming off
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the last year, obviously, and I figured Jackson was gone.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: You know my I kind of have like a hope
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and a worry at the same time. You know, the
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: hope is that the guys that they signed last year
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: obviously get better if they stay here. Um, and then
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the guys that were you know, good last year improved.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: My My, my question to you is is the coaching
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: in place to do that? Yeah, you have Bill, but
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know how good Mayo and Steve are And
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I have no idea on offense who's who and who's
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: doing what and who's good enough to for those guys
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: taking step next step. Like if Josh was there, I
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: feel a lot better obviously, but he's not, so, you know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: and I just that's my concern. Like you've dole out
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a ton of money last year, you better get something
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: from Joe Husmith this year. Um, I lost all faith
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: in Harry. But I'm hoping that guys like uh, you know,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: m Jacoby Buyers and Kendrick Bourne can take another step. Um.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they fit there seiling it. So
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like where I'm coming from, Like I
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: didn't expect them to make big moves, but I do
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: worry about going into the season, like and they got
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to nail another draft again, like they got to get
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: another exactly that might be the most important element out
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: of everything that you talked to. Absolutely, they need more
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: young players. That that's my concern about what they did
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: yesterday is it's great to bring back the band, but
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you know, thirty seven, thirty seven, thirty five, thirty four,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: like they need to get younger, and resigning all of
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: your thirty something year old veterans isn't the way to
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, And they need Dev back there, Like
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I didn't mind that, Like I I think that I
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: love having him there for guys like Dugger, you know,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: um to continue to learn from a mentor so. And
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I quite frankly I think they need him. I mean
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: even with Phillips, uh, you know back there, and I
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: starting to think, I'm I might be too high on Dugger.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: You might be I might be okay, And that almost
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: never happens on this show. No, No, I mean I thought,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: I remember last year, like there were times where we
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, Dugger's not quite taking the second year
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: league Phips. Last time Paul was high on somebody who
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: was on the Patriots, he got traded a Buffalo. Oh,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I just shake your head and said, he said, all right,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: said all right, I think I'm one. I'm worrying that
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm a little higher, like, what is wrong with
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the tandem of Phillips and Unner Like nothing that we
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: had to have this guy back for nine million plus
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: more money on I think we're good at debt safety.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, I'm finally I think just a point
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: though to to Christian though, is I mean, I think
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you've seen this kind of defensive coaching configuration the last
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: few years. But you know, especially for Steve and Gerard,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: they've had a veteran group and so now I think
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: you're really going to see what those guys have because
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: there probably is. We've been talking about going to have
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: a bunch of new players that they're going to have to,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: you know, not only teach the system, but figure out
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: what they do well and adapt and and you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: maybe bring their own twist to this new thing, because
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: it's not all right, we know we can do this
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: with VANOI will do this with High Tower. Put Collins
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: over there, you know, like it's it's it's gonna be
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: all new to them too. And if you're going to
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: have less of the head coach involved on the defensive side,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: then I think it's even more on them. So that
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that that's what I'll be interested to see, is is
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: how they manage this and who else they bring in?
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Would you would is it fair to say that the
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: younger your players, the more your coaches should be experienced
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: that that's another point that Mike. When Mike was talking,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: that kind of made me worry a little more. And
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: maybe that's why they feel like they had to have mccordy,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: because right they're not awfully confident in the instruction. And
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, it was also just another
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: button on it is that Steve Belichick was really involved
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: with Ronnie Perkins. So you know, it's the guy you wanted.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: You're gonna get to go, get a chance to play. Now,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: we'll see what you can do with them. Collaborative, COLLABORI
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: collection one other thing, just to say real quick, um
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: for another Alabama guy the Bills. The Bills are adding JD. McKissick,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: which is a you know, a good receiving back kind
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: of interesting move. Just somebody I kind of on my
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: radar a little bit with with the Patriots, but you know,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: just more what they wanted, what they wanted that stiff
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: breeder to do for them last year. Yeah, I think
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: it's a good, good little signing for them. Let's go
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: to Eldred in North Carolina. Eldred, I'm just dropping the
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: ball in that Monday and game for no reason. Hey,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: how y'all doing good? I'm not happy. There's a surprise.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: You don't want to say it, but I'm gonna say
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: it's like, hey, no, no, I gotta say the average.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I would have got my hunt honey badger and been
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: happy with him because, like I said, I don't I
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: don't remember seeing a forty last year or your full
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: as impact place. I don't see it as I'm safety
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: for eighty something millions. That's a bunch of bull that's
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: a bunch of bulls. And like I said, Jim, I
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: don't like it. Coach, I love him to death. Jim
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I never did like like some of his move He
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: always paid his buddies. You always paid the foot soldiers
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: that told that line in whatever. But no, million's not
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: do for leadership, especially when you can't lead on the field.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: You lead by example. Yeah, and I'm like, no, yeah,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I would have. I would have kept j T. You know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I have corners because you got some safeties, but you
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: ain't got no corners. Would you would rather have signed
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: j C. Jackson, fred or resigned mccordy. If you can
• 46:46
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• 46:49
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• 46:52
  Speaker 1: JC Jackson's gone. I've been pretty consistent. I think he's
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: a good player, not a great player, but I would him.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I would rather have kept him now. And then did
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you get another corner in the draft or someone like that,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: and then you may have a tandem on it. But
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: right now you got five nine, five eleven flow corners
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna be an air attack all year long. See,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. It's just and and yes,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: McCardy didn't make any big dynamic plays. He's not. You know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: I thought there was a drop off flash, you know,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: in the minority. But I think what the coaches would
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: tell us is you don't understand what he's doing out there.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: That's why you don't think that he had an impact. Well,
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to use that as the barometer,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: then why do we talk about any of this? No, no,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: but but obviously the coaches know a lot more than
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: we do. No, I know. But but in terms in
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: terms of getting the calls, making sure people in there.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: You know. Now, now the whole new corners, the whole
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: defense played terribly in December, including him, you know, like
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: you have to include everybody in that conversation at the
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: end of the season, like, now, why that happened is
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: something that they need to figure out, and they're never
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: gonna tell us the answer. But no one played well
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: at the end, you know, and he's part of that, right,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: and we decided to bring the band back together. One
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: more question I have to run. Would you keep Jacobe
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Myers instead of let him walk get a stuck around,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: cause you really ain't got no receiver and Harry ain't
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: gonna never jump to a first round in the NAP
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: five years Well, they tended Myers right right, yes? Yeah,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: So so would you take a second round? I think yeah.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: His his question is if someone you know shows interesting,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Jakobe Myers, would you take the second round pick for
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: him or do you feel like you need the receiver
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: too much? To you need receiver? I do think you
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: need the receiver, but I think you could get a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: second that's probably more. Okay, that's the thing. Are you
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: gonna get somebody that's better than him in the second
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: round and maybe maybe not immediately. I certainly would think so. Yeah,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: but wow, well I think he's pretty good. And the
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: second in the second round, yeah, you might get somebody better.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: You gotta be able to get a better second. I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: don't know, you have to. Yeah, I mean I know that,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: all right, thanks, Aldred. I know everybody looks at everybody
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: looks at Belichick's track record or wide receivers, and I
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: think that they're scared to death of it. But there's
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of good receivers in the second round. Yeah.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: But you know, Jacobe Myers, what was he drafted in?
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: There wasn't But now, like where would he be drafted? Like,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: not knowing what he is? Now, where do you think
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: he would be drafted three? Early day three? I mean,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I still don't think he has the measurables to like
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: light it up. But I mean I would still say
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: he's better than like the Slate Bolden guy that everybody loves.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think he's got good size and
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: good athleticism, but I just don't think he has the
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: any any plus, you know, one of those things in
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the scouting combine where they're gonna say, oh, I agree
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: with Mike. I think you'd get drafted. I don't know
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: how high, but I think you would be drafted somewhere
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, we didn't talk at all about Deshaun Watson.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: You know, awhere Saints and Carolina sounds I mean Falcons,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and I thought the Browns too, and the Browns were
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, he's talked I think to the Saints, Panthers,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: and Browns. Well, I heard that the only two teams
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: that he would allow to be traded to were the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Saints and the Panthers. But now it seems to open
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: up something. Sat Atlanta was a dark horse. I mean
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: we saw something that that John mcclein and San Francisco
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: is possibly lingering too. Yeah. John McClean retweeted somebody from
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Carolina that said that that they have a deal in
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: place for him that would include Brian Burns, Jeremy Chin
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: and two two three, three ones and two good young players,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: which would be a good haul for Houston, I think.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: But I mean, the only thing that makes sense to me,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Like I know that Indie looked into it in the category.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: You're not going to trade him in the division. I
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: think anything else would be I don't think you want
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: him in your own division. Um, you know in his prime.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: It's not like Drew. You know, back in the day
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: when Drew was sort of, you know, nearing the end. Yeah,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: you know what, you didn't really care where he went.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: This guy's twenty six years old. He could kill you
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: for another ten years. Yep. So all right, let's go
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: to William and Philham. What's up, William Fellas, what's going on.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: How y'all doing good? Good? Okay? Um um saying I'm
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: with you, Paul, Kyle Dugg, I'm high on him. I'm
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: a fan, man. No, if you want to add the
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Honey Badger, fine, but don't get rid of Kyle Dugger. Nah.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: May I'm a fan on that one, definitely. And and
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: you're right too also, Paul. You know Bill's drafting on
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: wide receiver. It just hears the hell out of it.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I'm one of those one of those fans. Yeah, it does,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, every year we used to have
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: I guess you said in the draft it always was
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: a good receiver. Bill, Just I don't know what the
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: hell he'd be thinking. Man, Honestly, don't buy it's something
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: really wrong with you. As the coach, he's the greatest
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: of all time with it, but as the GM, he
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: stuck man like y'all, y'all gotta call it what it is, like, y'all,
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: that's the scout candle that for real. He needs to
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: let the scout cander, not him. I'm sorry, is this it?
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: And Miles Jack I would love to have him, So yeah,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: that's all right, thanks William. I just want to kind
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: of just to defend my bringing up to Kyle Dugger's
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: name earlier, and just because I didn't say I wanted
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: to trade him. I said he's a potential guy that
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you could put on the trade market in mid season,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: before the trade deadline if he starts playing like he
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: did last year. Because I remember at the beginning of
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: last year, we were saying coming out of camp, coming
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: out of the preseason, he's not quite what we thought
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: we were getting coming into the year two. He was
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: a little weak in coverage. He made a couple of
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: nice plays, you know, tackles open field, that kind of thing,
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: but we saw him and I remember all of us saying, boy,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: he's not really playing kind of the way we thought.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: End of the season, he made a couple of nice plays.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: He had that pick in the Jacksonville game, but everybody
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: played well in that game. So I just want to
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: say that. I'm not saying I want to get rid
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: of him. I still have hope for him, but I
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: think he's a guy that you need to look at
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: as a potential. If he's still not living up to
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: things in year three, you have to consider it. I
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: don't think he's great in courage. I think he's adequate,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: but I don't think he's great in coverage. I don't
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: think safeties in general are great in coverage. I don't
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of those guys. That's why I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: think the Bill's tandem is so impressive. Yeah, let's go
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to Rashad in Baltimore, Harashod, Hey, what's up? What's up?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I gotta jump on a cow dugger thing because I'm
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: definitely a fan of Coward. Okay, you see, I mean
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: he's young, he's still developing. To mean, is he going
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I'm liking I'm liking a jump, I'm liking a jug
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Scott forbid, somebody has a different I agree Eric hates him,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: but I don't know him. But I wanted to talk about,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: like the free agency Umm, I'm guessing I want the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: Patriots just to just to just to get a like
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: a veteran corner like you. I don't even have to
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: be nobody who going to be here for a long time.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Just somebody can be here just two years, just to help,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure we're going to draft a corner,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: so just somebody who can help. They should have just
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: franchised jac Jackson. You know, like, I agree with you.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I don't think. I don't think he's
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: looking for a veteran corner to make seventeen million dollars. Well,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: I'm still I'm still on my boat. I don't think.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jason, he was good, but he's not elite.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: He's not elite. He's not only me, he's not only
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: retired officially good, but he's not He's not worth that money.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: And I feel like, I feel like you can say,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: three of that contract, they would be trying to renegotiate
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: or even maybe release him because he's not gonna be
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: performing to the values of the contract and how they think,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: how they think they, you know, according toupposed to be.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: So here's the conundrum, though, shot, he's not elite but
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: any one at his level in today's NFL is going
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: to get paid that money. You know, that's the problem.
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: So if you don't want to pay that money, fine,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: but you're not going to get a cornerback, even as
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: good as J. C. Jackson, you know, all right, No,
• 55:16
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  Speaker 1: in history. Maybe I'm over that's going around too. That's
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  Speaker 1: going around too. What the picture he posted subterfuge where
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  Speaker 1: he posted a picture and it was him like smiling
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  Speaker 1: and if you'll look close, he was actual. Let's stay Brady.
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  Speaker 1: The picture he posted was him at from the Tampa
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  Speaker 1: guy didn't I didn't look at the thing. I know
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  Speaker 1: you didn't. I was asking something. I was on part
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  Speaker 1: we should reference just look, the animals need the trees. Eric,
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  Speaker 1: think about that. My second question is whether you guys
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  Speaker 1: think that's another great moment from all right, Welcome back
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  Speaker 1: of read some. Yeah, one of the things we were
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: talking about during the break, Uh, that Adam Schefter tweet
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: about Deshaun Watson. You know, I I know he gets
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: very you know, defensive when people say, oh, you're carrying
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: water for this person or that person. But that was
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: obviously just repeating what the agent told him. You know, yeah,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: it seems like he gets locked into communicating with agents
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  Speaker 1: and managers and you know, it's like you got to
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: take a second, I think. I mean, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: you need you need to develop your sources and you
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: want your sources to trust you. But part of that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: is like explaining to the source, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: objective here, and if I write something good it has
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  Speaker 1: more weight than if I'm just carrying water and write
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  Speaker 1: something good. He didn't have to say anything no, you know,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: negative there, and to me, it's it. I even think
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: this is less about just taking the agent, but just
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: has some common sense, like the fact that he wasn't
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: criminally charged with anything does not equate innocence, right, which
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: is basically what he intimated with the you know, Watson
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: felt all along the truth. Oh what do we got, Patriots?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: What do we got? James White? Oh? Okay, resigned, resigned
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: James White to year two point five million? Deal? Can't
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: have enough thirty somethings. Oh, that's it two point five
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: total or per year? That's a total, Tom Pella sero,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: that's a deal. That's a deal? Is it yeah, Okay,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: a million a year for James White guaranteed. That's a deal. Well,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: he's coming off a serious hip injury. I don't worry
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: about it. No, I think he was gonna get like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: cash in all market, had all kinds of competition for
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: his services. I thought he'd made three four million. He
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: only made three last year when he was healthy. When
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: he was healthy. Now he's coming off a hip surgery. Oh,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: if he's not gonna play, and you know what, we
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: sign him. Obviously they think he's gonna play, right, No,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I know, but how well Fred like the guy like
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Jamison Williams is coming out of the draft with a
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: twenty acl. He's going to play at some point. We
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: just don't know when, and we don't know how well.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Great deal once again, Patriots chess chess chess. I think
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: take a ten and eight team that got blown off
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: the yield to lose the playoffs and pull a Tampa Bay.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: He wasn't part of that. He wasn't pull a Tampa Bay.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Let's bring the band back, let's keep the band together.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: That it wasn't part of that demise. Somehow, the Super
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Bowl champs decided to run it back and were mocked
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: and ridiculed for it. I think, but the ten and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: eight Patriots who got knocked out the first round of
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: the player I think James, I'm not forcing a fourth
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: thound in the game. I think he's a good guy.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Think he's a good guy too. I think he's nice. Yeah,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I would disagree with that. One of my favorite all
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: time Patriots. Yeah, I think. Uh. I mean, I think
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: it's something they kind of had to do. I mean
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that I brought m Kissick before the break. I think
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: they needed a receiving back. He saw some good chemistry
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: between the two low money, you know, the older guy.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I like not to dismiss Paul's point about
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: you need young guys to get talented, but I think
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: that that's a given what's out there, what they need,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: what that room needs, what they can afford. It's all
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: about what you've had. Can I ask a question? I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: have another because I know it's coming. I I want
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: to apologize for two reasons. Number one, I completely cut
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: you off in the middle of a sentence. I want
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: to apologize for that. But a number two, I don't
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: want you to think this has anything to do with
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: anything you've said, because it doesn't. Did the Patriots have
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: a culture issue last year? I don't know. I'm asking
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: what your opinion is, Oh, this is gonna be good.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: I think they might have. I don't know. Okay, I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't sense that at all, but evidently
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: they did. Evidently you're right, because that is the number
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: one priority. And again, no disrespect intended to a lot
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: of guys that I really really like in some cases
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: really really respect, like Mike Reese. Have the utmost respect
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: for Mike reest. If he writes it once, he writes
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: it a hundred times in the last three weeks about
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the culture fit. And these moves were clearly made with
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: the culture. I wasn't aware that the Patriots had a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: culture problem. Well, and now I'm a little worried about
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Now I'm even like you know me, I get worried
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: about random crap. I almost said you almost did, so
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: I get worried about a lot of these little things.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: What if it was, well, I'm worried that they had
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: a culture problem that I didn't know about last But
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: if it was less a culture thing than more of
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: differences of opinion among players, you know, and not that's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: a culture problem. Well, yeah, I mean you guys not
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: on the same page. Yeah, it's not like but now
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: you were brought up your culture not yeah, but no,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: but I know what, I know what you're saying. But
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: it wasn't It was less um you know, like, oh,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not bought into playing football that type of culture
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: thing less than what we're doing. I don't agree with
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: what we're doing. That's a culture problem. That's what I'm
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: talking about. Well, like, yeah, I mean remember the famous
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: quote from Matthew Slader about you know, hey, this can
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: go oh, And I was for that, for being concerned
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: about that, right, right that we hadn't heard anything like
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: that come out of that locker room. And I can't
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: even remember the last grade or something. I see the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: same who's the one that said, you know you need
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: it's time to look in the mirror? That was later,
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I would say, because this could go one of two ways,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Like you could either pack it up, pack it up
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: and go home and quit or something along those lines. Yeah,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: or we could sider I know what I'm going to
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: do something like that, right, and you had you know,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: we had the um, we have more news over there.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: You look like you have that look on your face.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: We had the quote from Van Noy, I don't remember
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: if it was during the season or right after the season,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: where about like you know judeon oh yeah, being able
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: to run around and do his own thing, which may
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: have had something to do with why he was let go.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: But you know, you had JC Jack. I wasn't aware
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: there was a culture issue, but now you know, evidently
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: they thought it was really important to get every thirty
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: five year old guy that was on the Patriots last
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: year and retain his services or get rid of before
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: you know, like and the other thing that I don't
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: understand is why all of these moves are being made
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: when everybody else is signing other free agents. Why weren't
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: all these moves made last week, Like get your house
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: in order last week, so you're ready to go this week? Right?
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I love you know, in all seriouses.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: You know, I love me some James White. Who does
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: I was on James White before he played, I mean
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: that year that he was basically red shirted. I loved
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: the guy. I thought there was a lot of potential there.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: I love James White. I just don't think you needed
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: him back. I don't oh I mean it's basically free all.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: All it is is a roster spot at this point, right,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: And I'd rather have the roster spot with a twenty
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: five year old guy to do that, wow, to see
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: if maybe he can do something over the next three
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: or four years. You know, that doesn't mean we can't. Yeah,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to cut him, but he's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: costing you someone in that role now, Cap is crap.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Paul has nothing to do with the cap. He's on
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: the roster. He's gonna fill that role, I know. And
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: don't worry. Bolden's coming back too. You wait, well we'll
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: see about that. But okay, you wait, He's coming to
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Joe you next. Yeah, I mean, I would you be
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: surprised if the fourth round they pick a guy that
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: is a running back, you know, a pass catching running
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: back Cook from Georgia. I would you would be? Yes, Okay,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: I would based on this signing, I would be. I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: would not be they only have six draft picks, I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: would not be. I would be a little more surprised. Now,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: but I do like James Cook from Georgias as a
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: fit Dalvin Cook's brother. Um, but I mean, can we
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: tie the Josh thing into this of losing offensive coordinator.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: We don't really have a coach, you know, having that though, Mac,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: we need one from from Andrey Stevenson too. It's on
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: fire today. I'm not like, I'm not gonna lie it's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: in his bonnet. I thought, I thought there was a
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: couple of things that were priorities. And I totally agree
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: with your original premise, Fred, that I heard you talking
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: about as I was walking in. We didn't think they
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: were going to go hog wild two years in a row.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: So I'm not disappointed in them for not doing that.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: And that's nothing to do like the whole they don't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: want to spend money thing nonsense. That's not what I'm
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: talking about. I thought they needed to get faster and younger.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: I've done neither. Okay, retaining old, slow guys is not
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: what I would want to do. This still over twenty
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: roster spots available and guys can get you know, so
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: we'll see right now, you're right, they haven't addressed that yet.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: You know, they have not addressed that yet. Let's go
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: to Christian. If you think they can address it with
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: young guys that cost a lot of money, then you
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: agree with me about the cap. Then what's that. I Well,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: we talked about it as you were. This is another
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: thing we were talking about as you walked in the catridge.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: I let it go. Okay, then I'll let that go.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: That dumb remark, let's go to Christian. Let's go to Christian.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Then anytime you can sign a guy to a one year,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: nine million dollar deal and his cap numbers less than
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: nine million, the cap is craped. Well because like there's
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: gonna be dead money with mccau like, there's a million
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: ways to do it, a million ways to do No
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: one's saying that you don't have to do things to
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: do it. But that's the only sport that you can
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: get around the cap. Football and hockey you can't do.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: It's a looser cap, absolutely no doubt about it, because
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: fifty three guys, you gotta be somewhat flexible. Christian. What's up,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Hey you guys, Good to talk to you again. Um, so,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: what do you guys think about possibly, you know, pulling
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: an earl Thomas off the scrap heat one two? Give
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: me your top three if we could do it free
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: agent wide receiver and as opposed to your top three,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: if we can pop to get them. Uh, Draft pick
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: wide receivers and then and then lastly, could you guys
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: possibly explain this double cap thing that Aaron Rodgers did.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: I don't get the map how they they It's like
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: a one time special deal or something like that. Not
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: not familiar with that. Do you have anything you're working
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: off of a report or anything. So supposably they are
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: paying Aaron Rodgers seventy five million dollars over three years
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, one hundred and fifty million dollars over three years.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: And so what they did was they pushed his contract
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: back three years from twenty twenty four, and they're going
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: to give him a signing bonus each year. Yeah, I
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: mean that seems to like, is that some sort of
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: weird doubles jeopardy is a signing? Yeah, he has I
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: think he has a fifty million dollars roster bonus this
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: year or something like. Yeah, signing bonus is when you signed.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: But then they have these roster bonuses. If you're on
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: the roster by a certain date, it's guaranteed money. You know,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: when he knows. They said that if he doesn't play
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: two years now, if he decided even though he's signed
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: for years, if he decides to walk two years from
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: now that, um, the Packers will be stuck with like
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: sixty eight million dollars of dead money. Okay, so like
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: imagine that and they still signed it. Oh what are
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: we going to do? Yeah? Yeah, onto the question old
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Thomas pull him scrap pet You know, Eric Whytel did
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: well last year. I think he's done. I don't think
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: he can run anymore. I mean, it was a bad
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: ending two for him in Baltimore, wasn't it. There was
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: all kinds of issues with him off the field as well. Yeah,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I think they're good at safety. If you got any
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: old cornerbacks, I'd probably consider pulling any of them off
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: the scrap heap though, right, Yeah, well, you know I
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: always loved old Thomas Harry sad to see him go.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't think he was too old to play. Probably
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: just a headcase. Um what about the top three free
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: to wide receivers and your top three uh possible draft pick? Oh,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Alan Robinson's still a help. Yes, that would be the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: number one. I don't really if you never you never performed, though, guy,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: he's always been like, oh if he had a better quarterback, Obie,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: if he wasn't hurt. Oh this than that. He's like,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: he's almost like a Nikil Harry to me, you know,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: more more talented. Yeah, but what have you done? Yeah,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: he's better than Nikil Harry. I mean yeah, I don't
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: even put him in the same sentence as Nikkil Harry.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Juju Juju still love the Juju is still out there.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: I don't have much interest in him, but there's not
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: that much. But there's not a lot, not a lot
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: of names left at this point. That's what you reduced to. Possibly,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: would you guys possibly see digting deep and getting that
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Adams and he doesn't want him playing on the cap.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: We give him a little more than the cap. Either,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: he's gonna stay. He's gonna stay in Green Bay. He's
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: gonna stay in Green Bay. Well, they're not trading, they're not.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: You'd have to get they're not they're not getting you'd
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: have to give up a first round pick for him.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: And I think one of the reasons Rogers resigned with
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: them was the understanding, you're keeping Davantae Adams here, so
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: don't even think about him. There was a report yesterday
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: that there was playing the franchise. He's he's going to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: sign a new contract. He's going to sign a new contra. Wait,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: did you you heard that he won't He said he
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: won't play. He has said he's not going to play.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: He said, you don't want to play under the franchise,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: which means they're working out a new deal. What if
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: they can't, they will because that's why Rogers stayed there.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere. Same guys, The same thing just
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: happened with Randy Gregory, right, the Cowboys tweet. It's different.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Find Randy Gregory, it's different. Whoa lo and behold something
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: happened and now he's going to those teams. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: they changed the langue in the contract and he decided
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: to go to one other team. Right, DeVante Adams doesn't
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: have that luxury. He's franchised. I mean, he's nine years in, right,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: and so what if the Packers of thinking, you know,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: DeVante Adams is what he's he's nine ninth seasons in
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: or something. No, DeVante Adams is not entering his tenth year.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: DeVante Adams is not entering his tenth year, is he. Well, anyway,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what. I want to give you
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: some stats of the guy who never has performed in
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one hundred and two catches for twelve hundred
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: and fifty nine yards, in twenty nineteen, ninety eight catches
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: for eleven hundred and forty seven yards, in twenty sixteen,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: seventy three catches for eight hundred and eighty three yards,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, eighty catches for fourteen hundred yards, and oh,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: by the way, fourteen touchdowns that year. That's Alan Robins.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: Why he always teeds to be that guy that everyone's
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: waiting for them for him to because he's expensive as hell.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: He's like Brandon Cooks. He got franchised and now he's
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: gonna make bank. You know, Brandon Cooks started his career
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: as a first round draft pick. So he's always been
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: an expensive player, and he has been in two places
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: with terrible quarterback play, Jacksonville and Chicago. Yeah, yeah, that's
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: said guy that said he gets a hundred catches every year.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Do you guys think his route treat matches what Mac
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Jones does? Well? Already do What can you tell me
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: just how to curious out? Now? What did you tell
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: me about the Alan Robinson route tree? Yeah? You know
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: his route tree typically from what I've seen. I just
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: looked at his thing on YouTube. He does a lot
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: of he does a lot of out and a lot
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: of comeback, not a lot across the middle stuff, not
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: a lot of deep stuff. Well they need that too,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: that we need. Yeah, you need every you need, You
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: need talent that. I would take Alan Robinson in a heartbeat. Yeah. Now,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: if you want to tell me he's a little old
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: and you don't want to you think his best years
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: are behind him, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. But
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: you can't. You can't tell me he's never produced too.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: You can't tell me he hasn't produced. Yeah, he had
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: one bad year, he's a last year. He got hurt.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: He's a good player, take that back, but one he's
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: already been injured. And how do you put him up
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: against the top three, you know, potential draft pick. Well
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: that's separate. You can still do that, like you can
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: still take I don't want Davante Adams over a draft
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: pick either. I mean, even though DeVante Adams is a
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: thousand times better. Yeah, you can do both. Oh, by
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: the way, it's two years five million for James. Okay,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: that makes more sense. Yeah, that makes it better. Year
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: was twenty fourteen when you saw him in Green Bay
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: beat the Patriots. Uh, and this is will be his
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: ninth year. Thanks questions, he's been around longer than I thought,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: so again, yeah, I'll take but he's not healthy, Jamison
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: william he's not going. There was there was the rumor
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: yesterday that the Patriots were in were interested in h
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Valdes Scantling. That's another receiver's name that was kind of
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: out there. But again that wasn't an imminent signing. That
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: was just one of those kind of like rumor mill
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: they might be interested in. I just love to know
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: who they actually are interested in. It's just like there's
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: probably a long list of like guys they've talked to,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: guys that people made up that they're interested in. Agents
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: they want their guys to be interested Like if you
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: really ask Bill Belichick right now, like who we interested in?
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: Like is it a list of like six guys total?
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: You know, like everybody's connected to them constantly. Let's get
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: to some emails, um web Brady or Patriot dot com
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: one and Stratford writes and according to Tom Pella Sera,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: the contract for is five million, two years, two and
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: a half million from sweet Feet. I hear Paul's point
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: of giving the younger pass catching running back a chance,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: But from a long term perspective, is it worth it
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: that White mentor Stevenson for the team's future? What are
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: your thoughts. Here's the thing about players mentoring other players.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: That's not their job. Yeah, it's over. I mean it
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: can help and obviously, and all that does just make
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: me worry more that we have a bunch of guys
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: that are lost souls. Well, but we need seven guys
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: thirty five year older to make sure that all these
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: other guys know what to do. But it's otherwise I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: don't even think anybody to be able to show up
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: to the facility. It does help to have guys who
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: show who you know, show the way by example, you know,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: it does. It does help to have them, But they're
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: not like, you know, sitting down next to players and
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: going over the playbook and all that stuff they're doing.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: They have to they have their own jobs, yes, their
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: own survival to worry about. But does it help to
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: have guys who lead by example? Yes, it does. Yeah,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: and it's and it's hard to ignore the like the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: reverence that Damian Harris has when talking about James White,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: and like how emotional they got, you know when he left,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: you know, was hurt. So I think it's good for Mac.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's good to have another option. I think
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: James White, we'll see if you can still play. I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: would love because think Damien Harris last year. It's good. Yeah,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, it's amazing you did that without James White.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: I know. But like there's a certain to building a
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: team that I do not just purely, you know, like
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: you have to put some thought into it, right, Like,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: I get it, you're being a little give me one
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: of those guys, maybe two. We have six like guys
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: that don't need the field, but there's a lot of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: guys that their biggest contribution next year will be mentoring
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: in the locker room leadership. Like it just I don't
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: know how many of those guys should be. I love
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: these players, I love them all, but I always listen
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: to Bill it's better to get rid of these guys
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: a year earlier, but a year late. Right now, now
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: were like three years past time. But now we're really
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: talking about three players at this point, right, Slater, mccordy,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: and now James White. That's it. Yeah right, I mean,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna throw Nick Folk into that group,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: all right? Or Brian Hoyer. I would you would, yeah,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: because I would rather go with a younger guy at
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: both of those spots. Nick Folk is like, hasn't missed
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: a kick inside fifty yards since Like I'm I'm aware
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: of that, you know, I'm aware of that. On him,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: I a little bit more on pause with rolling the
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: dice on that one Egyptian doesn't matter. I think it's
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: a matter of time. The guy, I mean, at some
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: point he's gonna revert anywhere. And then, like you say, Paul,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: you just get another kicker then you well, but that's
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: your ward's not mine. You have another kicker, Quinn developmental. Yeah,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: he's so. Then you bring him up and you start
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: him on the practice squad once once, folks, you know
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: it looks like he can't do it. Then you have
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: him so great you know, competition. Yeah, I think you're
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: not up in arms over each individual guy. I'm up
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: in arms over all of them. Yeah. But like I said,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: it's only three. Yeah, that's that's too too many in
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: my opinion. Like, I don't be dramatic. I'm not being dramatic.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: I don't understand what the benefit of all of them is,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: you know, and I would say especially Slater once you
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: had the worst special teams in football last year and
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: he's the leader of it. Yeah, and backing up Paul's point,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Zolac and Bertram right now, they just had their little
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: how they put like what the topic is that they're
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: talking about? Ye? Are the Patriots headed in the wrong
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: direction signing all these guys in the twilight of their career? Okay?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Well you know, I just like, I really are not
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: the ones all these guys want me to be. Three guys?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to be snarky? It's five guys?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Alan Brian Hoyer is you know what happened to like
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: j Jared Sidema is like you can't back up your mind?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: Does not that matter or not? I can't keep up
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: with you? Sure it does? Okay, So you don't have
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: to pay your backup quarterback with that veteran is making. Yeah,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: you can pay a lot less for a backup quarterback
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: if the cat actually matters. And that has nothing to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: do with why I don't want Brian Hoyer here. But
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: that's beside the point. I think you can have a
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: better backup quarterback that, if he has to play, is
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: better than Brian Hoyer. All right, but we'll never know
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: because evidently we have a culture problem. To me and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: I have to fix it. The world's not to me.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: The world's not, you know, falling apart because they signed
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: James White. No, the world's not falling apart because of that.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: It's falling apart because their roster showed that it wasn't
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: strong enough last year and they decided to go with
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: the same guys. Yeah. Wow, that's what it's falling apart over. Well,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: you're missing the whole point, you know. I don't think
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: they were good enough when the season ended last year,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: you know, and their solution was let's just keep it
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: all together. I think the linebackers that are so far
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: not returning were more responsible for that than James White
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: who was hurt, or mccordy on the back end as
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: a free safety. I don't blame it on anybody. I
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: don't I don't blame it on anybody. I'm not I'm
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: not blaming I'm just saying those guys weren't the answer.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: They were all here last year, they weren't good So
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: the end of the year. Everyone should go. No, I'm
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: saying let some of them go. They are. They are
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: letting some of them go. They let jac Jackson go
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: to one young guy, and they let Kyle van Noy go.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: That's different. They're probably gonna let Bentley go. Hi High
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: Tower probably will go. High Tower will be an example
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: of this. If I ain't High Tower back, then that's
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: another bad move. The rest of them are all young.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: I would agree with that. You know, now we're getting
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: into like now to me, it's like High Tower in Bentley.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Not the same thing. Yeah, letting Bentley go isn't. Oh,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: they're they're doing it. They're letting them go. No, Bentley
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: is a guy that I wouldn't be opposed to resign it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: High Tower, yes, I would be. I think they need
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: to move on. But Ni again, another thirty something I'm
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: fine with. Okay, so they're doing it. They least one
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: guy friend Paul just doing it columns listen in three
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: weeks Free Agent. I railed against that move last year. Okay,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: but when they do different things, we'll have different things
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: to talk about. We can only do a show that
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: was on the table. I understand, but they agree with you.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Then that's right, they did. I don't think they did.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think they did. I don't know where this
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: like sudden influx of tent like Miles Jack. Okay, then
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: they heard me on the linebackers special team guy Mac
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Wilson Alabama. Miles Jack can play like Mac Wilson is
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: a special teamer. Soup. Was that article you just wrote
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: called oh the future at linebacker? Could the addition of
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Matt Wilson be as sign of changes that come? I hope.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: So now I'll answer my own question. But LRC justin
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: in Orlando. I know Deuce is all about the front seven,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: but it seems like the draft focus on the D
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: line is about getting a defensive tackle to pair with Barmore,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: like the Georgia defensive tackles or Winfrey out of Oklahoma.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: But how much focus should there be on getting an
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: edge player early in the draft. New England could really
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: use a boost to the defense like they had in
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: twenty twelve when they drafted High Tower and Chandler Jones,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: setting them up for the next era of success defensively,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm not sure drafting a corner early will impact
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: the defense as quickly as an investment up front night
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: bottom line, they need a big defensive infusion of young
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: talent over the next couple of drafts so they can
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: afford to sign a top corner like they did with Gilmore. Yeah,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: hundred percent. I mean I and that's can I ask
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: why why? Because they got no Why does the impact
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: right now? Why does the impact upfront happen faster than
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: an impact in the back. Oh, that's what he thinks.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: That's why I asked why. I don't know. I mean,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: I apologize if that's it an, but I'm asking why
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: drafting a first round defensive end, we'll have a faster
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: impact than a first round cornerback. Yeah, I mean I think,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, you are involved him in more of the
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: action up front, But I mean I think the better
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: corner could certainly outsign a defensive end. But I mean
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: that's that's where I go. I know we differ on
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: that one, but no, and I'm not listening if they
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: if they sign Um, like, I would want an edge guy.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: I don't want any part of a defensive tackle at
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: twenty one. I would want an edge guy. But if
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: they signed a good player, I don't care what position plays. Yeah,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm asking, just in theory, why a guy
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: that plays one position potentially as a faster impact over
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: a guy who plays another position. I think it's regardless
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: of players of position. To me, it's all about did
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: you get a guy who can play? Like if they
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: Christian Barmore could play, he made an immediate I've heard
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: that about running back, that it's easier to like make
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: an instant impact in the NFL that morning back. Now
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, that that makes total sense to me.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: But like if it's just if they took an instinct position,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: if they took a cornerback at twenty one and now
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: just having lost JC Jackson, you don't think he'd be
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: in line to be a day one starter. Oh yeah, no,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: he should right, sure, for sure. And if they took
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: a if they took a defensive end edge guy to
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: play opposite Judean, you don't think he would be in
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: the mix to be a day one starter. Absolutely, So
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: I think I think you know Paul's right, Like, whoever
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: they take him, he's good. Yeah, I don't really care
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: what's good he should be. If he should be in
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: the mix to be a starter, if you do, But
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not anti Douce here if Deuce Deuce wants defensive linemen.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: But but I'm with you, but I'm not an anti
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: defensive lineman there either, right, Like I think at twenty one,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: you got to get a good player, yeah, the best player.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: I'll just say this. I think that the Patriots defense
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: got pushed around and had no answers at the end
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: of last season. And I think that if you're gonna
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: rebuild your defense, for me, it starts with guys like
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: Christian Barmore and you know, a guy like I've I've
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: mentioned Trey Von Walker from Georgia, who now is probably
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I mean i've seen him going all the way up
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: at third overall now. But you know that kind of presence,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: and that's why I love, you know, Trey Flowers. I
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: think he's a tough guy that they that's what they need.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Last year. I just it didn't seem like it. In Spurts,
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: they were tough and they were hard to play against,
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: and you know, you liked what you had, but they
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: got pushed around, they had no answers. So you need
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: you need to remake the defense almost in a way
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: like when they brought Gronk in and that kind of
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: refreshed the whole Patriots offense in a way, you know,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Gronk and Hernandez. It was a new it was just
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: a new dynamic that you had new so and I
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: think it's easier to have a defensive front guy maybe
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: do that than say a shutdown corner. But it's not impossible.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: I just think picking at twenty one, you're probably you're
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: just gonna choose what's left. I'll steal some of the
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: headlines I saw when Trey Flowers was made available. Does
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: a return to the Patriots make sense? Yes? Yes, should
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: take him? Yes, yeah, I would take him. Yeah. I
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: wouldn't give him any money, but I would take him. Yeah,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: let him play for a year and then go get
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: bade by Houston. I would. I'd love to get him back.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he's on the thirty. I mean he's
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: so Yeah, I would. I would take him back because
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: he has familiarity with the system and whatnot, and he's
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: gonna come in and play and it's not like, all right,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: you know, can he play like that's but that's not
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: like he's not an edge guy, Like he's not going
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: to give you a sacks. He's not gonna he's gonna
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: stop the run. He's gonna be you know, solid people.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: I'll just take somebody. Yeah, that is that fair? Right? Um,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: let's see Marie in Durham, New Hampshire. H just caught
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: up in the last few episodes and as a you
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: mass alum, I have to chime in on the possible
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: ability of an Andy Isabella na Kiel Harry trade. In
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: the past ten years, I've seen about four good things
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: that you mask football games, Andy Isabella, Taj Sharp, the
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Marching Band, and the fact that the stadium started selling
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: alcohol because you really need to get it to need
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: it through to get through some of those games. Yes,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: the bar is supremely low with you, mass football, but
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: if you can get a good price for a guy
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: with some potential, and why not. He's only got a
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: year left on his contract, so if he doesn't work out,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: to the next one, onto the next one. If he
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: does work out, resign him and let him keep growing
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: with mac. I agree. I think that's the kind of
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: move that would make sense. You have a young athletic
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: guy with upside. If it doesn't work, you've lost nothing, right.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: I agree with that email a thousand percent. I do
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: a similar move of my boiler viscache Chanel chano what
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about? Yeah, well they were pronouncing its channel
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: through the draft process, right, and then today prof it's
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: like Chanel, Oh yeah, thank god, but the same kind
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: of thing. I take flyers on those guys absolutely, especially
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: if you can say bye bye to Harry. I'd be
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: more willing to truss with Isabella because of the speed.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: And I think, sure, yes, I watched them all through college. Yeah,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: I've only been thrown on it off on it. Today
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: when I looked at p Reff and it said fronancy,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I just caught pronunciation, right, Yeah, but did Aaron do it?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: Go on? I don't know why. Let's do next week.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: Let's go in of April. That was the greatest. That
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: was the greatest moment in the history of that meeting.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: It says here in April, people don't know what we're
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: talking about. That's okay, it's inside you. Um, let's go
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: back to the outline. Patty's an agawam, what's up? Patty?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: What's up? Guys? I love following up Paul. It's great, Um, Paul,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: I I agree with you on certain plays, but I
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: think um with a couple of them, like Player and mccordy,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Like we don't they're they're certain guys that we don't
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: have replacements for at the time being. And I know,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: like a backup quarterback you can get anywhere, but I
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: mean that you've heard guys stay it over the past
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: couple of years. I mean, he's probably, aside from Tom Brady,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: the guy that knows this offensive system the best. But
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: not only that, I mean this is kind of a
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: telling problem that we've seen, Like we've seen them sort
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: of miss more's a quarterback position with Brady. We've seen
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: a miss manage a cornerback position this year. This is
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: the first year since um oh seven when a sant
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: by Samuel left off for the season, though we don't
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: have a clear cut guy in the waiting and even
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: at pretty safety with mccordy, I mean, they haven't. They
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: haven't replenished the well sore to speak or Bellis mc
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: hasn't repunished the well. And to me that that's a
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: little bit more concerning than them just bringing back like
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of old guys. It's like, when are they
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: gonna replenish the well? You know? Yeah? Okay, So Patty
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: My point is, instead of some of the guys that
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: you resigned, if they went out and got like Darius
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Williams for h is it shavarious War, Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: you know, and then maybe you'd say, Okay, well they
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: replaced jac Jackson. That's a guy. You know, they got
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: another guy and they replace them. But instead, you know,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: we're bringing back thirty five year old safeties because we
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: have to fix the culture. Evidently you can do both.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: At some point. You can't because they're all signed, I know,
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: but but like you can't sign other guys signing, but
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: signing Devin mccordy did not mean that they couldn't replace j. C. Jackson.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Now they may not, and we can criticize them for that,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: but I don't think that you know, McCord doing that.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: I can only go off of today, I know, but
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying they're not related. Okay, so you say
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: they're not related. I do. I think they are related.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: I think that they chose to spend half the money
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: that it would have taken to get a guy like
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: that on mccordy. I would rather take that money and
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: give it to a corner, a young corner. I think
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: they can do both. But you know, we'll see if
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: they do. I don't know, they're gonna have to get
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: another corner. I mean, okay, then I'll rephrase it. I
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: would rather have taken half the money from ac Cordy,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: got in a corner, and then taken the rest and
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: gotten someone else. Okay, all right, Like we can just
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: keep sad. They could do both. They could do it. Yeah,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: they could sign anybody they want. We get that, but
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: it doesn't look like they're going to. I just don't think,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the signing of Accordy indicates that. I think
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: it's an indication that the direction that they're going, they're
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: decided to keep the veterans intact and go that way
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: because for whatever reason they felt like they needed to
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: And the most often repeated reason for it from the
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Phil Perry's, the Tom Currents, the Mike Reeses is culture.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: They felt like it was important to us to keep
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: the leaders in place at once. At some point, I wonder,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: maybe get some coaches that can be leaders, and then
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: you won't have to worry about your players doing it too.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, I think you always need to circle the wagon. Guys.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Every coach says that, Yeah, let's get either of them.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: It's a balance. It's a balance. I mean, I don't
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: think you can just, you know, turn everybody over because
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: it wasn't good. But no, I wasn't in favor of
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: turning everybody over. I would have liked to have seen
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: one guy go which one, two guys go which one. Mccordy.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think mccordy is worth the money. That's why
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: I brought up the question earlier about him or the
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: honey Badger or take your pick, right, Thomas, he would
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: rather have mccordy, right, But my my preferred choice is
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Phillips and daughter. Well they've got them. But but but
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: now one of them won't play as much as I
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: want him to play, because mccordy will play every snap.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Much like last year when I had all of these
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: linebackers that I wanted to see play, they didn't play
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: because High Tower played every snap and Collins came in
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the year. They play a lot
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: of dimes, they play a lot of three corner and
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of three safeties. I want less of one
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: of the three as that, but it won't happen. Mccordy
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: will play every snap. I just him in his bonnet,
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: just like this beats all right, listen. I mean I
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: could sit here and put a smiley face on it
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: and just say, hey, it's great that all these guys
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: are that's the passion I love. I don't think it's
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: great that all these guys are back. I'm a very
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: mediocreep guys, three guys, and you brought them all back.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Three guys, but they were more than that. They didn't
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: bring them all back. I can't get worked up about
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: those three. I can get worked up about the lack
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: of young talent and that I just don't feel that
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: that those guys are really I guess I stunting the
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: growth of anybody, because you don't have less than of
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: mccordy last year than you guys did. I thought mccordy
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: was a big part of the problem last year at times.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Big I just thought he's I think he's fine. I
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: think he plays free safety now and the other two
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: guys do the heavy lifting and he just kind of
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: keeps everything on the back end in order. And I
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: thought mccordy was gone. Remember that, Remember that mackenzie run
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: down the sideline in the playoff game. Cordy came over
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: this way and then turned just chased them up aside,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: like I have like eight of those in mind. I
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: do too. That's why I didn't think he was coming
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: back bad angles. Like you know, you're talking about you
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: need someone to get the calls in. But he was
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: the one who's complained about the calls. Ye, like, I
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, And again this is not about his career, No,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: it's about right now. I'm talking about right now. If
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: we're talking about patriots, Devin mccordy's a great patriot, great,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: not a good one. Great. Same with James White, same
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: with Matthew Slater, same with Dante Hi. Great players, I
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: would think, so, yeah, yeah, I mean, especially based on precedent. Well,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to say that. Especially based on precedent.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: He belongs over about half the guys that we've elected. Yeah,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: all right, let's get back to the phones. They're stacked
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: up here. Let's get to Brian in Indiana. What's up, Brian? Hey, Hey, Hey,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm on your side of the argument, Paul,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: but I'm not even surprised. I mean, and y'all I
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: just heard y'all McCarthy good, great, great, Patriot. That not
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: to me. I didn't like the contract like he got
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: last time they resigned him. That's just my personal opinion
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: on him. I've always felt like he was this is
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: my thing, and I wasn't gonna call. But listening to
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Paul and Douce, I mean, not Paul, listening to Fred
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: induced frustrates me. Uh. Had Bill chose to get rid
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: of all of these people that you complaining about, Paul,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: it would have been the right thing to do, and
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: everybody would be excited for you, Fred and Deuce Da.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Whatever Bill does is the right thing. I mean, I
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: don't see why you still fighting. You've been working with Paul.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: You've been working with Fred for how long? I know,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: But I still fight him now, and I'm starting to
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: like fightin. I'm lockstep with y'all. Get him out. Jason
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: Jackson's check out. Y'all gonna want to pay him fine?
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: The Dana pisses me off about the boss just sports media,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: and I knew it. It was like clockwork, Okay, everybody
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: been saying they can I go sign Jackson. It's kind
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: of been a foregone conclusion for months. They wouldn't go
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: resign them, right, of course, here comes to smear campaign.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Right now, I'm hearing all of these things about Jackson
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: that I didn't hear in the two or three years
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: prior that he was here, before his contract was coming up.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: And it's just typical and it gets under my skin.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: Who's saying what? But not on this show cartel ever
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: heard before? But here we go convene Bard and all
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: the rest of the wager carriers as Paul like to
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: call them, And uh, it's disconcerting. And I don't know,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: I don't, I ain't, I ain't got the answers. I'm
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: not the gem Bill is, But that don't mean I
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: can't have an opinion on what I think his g
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: M has turned his gem uh skills a problems, has
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: turned this team into into me is no talent? I mean,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: dude's will at least complain about that? And and one
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: more thing before I let y'all go. Paul, I'm not
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: fighting the youth moving no more. And the reason I'm
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: not fightingigas because for what get all of these young guys,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: Bill's not going to play him anyway. Yeah right, I mean,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: I know you're right, Christian Barma, You're right, absolutely right,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: all right? You know. Another part of this that worries
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: me is I wonder if maybe he's doing this because
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: he ain't gonna be around that much longer, and he
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: knows it. I think he wants to win football games still, right,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: So the better way to win football games is to
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: retain your thirty eight year old guys. Not according to you, No, maybe, no,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: maybe this year right now, you're better off by bringing
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: those guys back, but you're not better off long term.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: I always i Bill cared about both, because that's what
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: he's always told me. But now I'm wondering if maybe
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: he just looks at it says, whatever gets me those
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: twenty wins or thirty wins or whatever I need now
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: I can get out of here as fast as I can.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's the better thing for him. I mean, how
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: many guys are under contract for twenty twenty three, Mike Well, No,
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: nineteen now, James White right right, right, right? Yeah, I
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: don't know he brings back Nicko Vicha McGinnis, I'll get where. Yeah,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know why Brian's he might as well. They
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: did as much for the defense last year of his mccardick.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't know this was going to be such a
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: hot hot buttons. All right, But I'd just like to
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: say in my defense against Brian that I didn't think J. C.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Jackson was staying here a month after I started working,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: and I saw him stand in the locker room and
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: they asked him about Juju Smith Schuster and he rolled
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: his eyes and gave up. And that right there, I said,
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: this guy ain't long for here. That was my question
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: right there, right there. So I'm not coming out to
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: blast him or anything, but this whole time, every time
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: he's done an interview, he's not one of their guys.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: And you can say not my I'm not. I'm just
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: telling you what they want in a cornerback, what they're
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: going to give forty million guaranteed, not that guy. Not
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: that guy. And I knew it two years ago. Okay, yeah,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: but you didn't rip them. No, you didn't say all
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Is why I've said this though, I said,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what he's making fun of, coming out
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: saying making fun of you. No, he's making fun of
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: the people that are smearing him. You said you didn't
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: think they'd resign him. I get they said they didn't
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: resign him because he's lazy, he doesn't show up to
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: meetings sometime, he's a bad guy. I just it's a
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: big difference. But I'm just trying to say though that
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: on this show, we talk about it, and we talked
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: and that, and that was something that I was saying
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: here when I just started here. So like, you know,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: don't say that nobody at jac Jackson was a dream
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: and oh, how could this possibly happen? Because we've been talking,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: We've been debating it all year. I mean, Fred came
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: out for him in this seas Mike and I and
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: we were saying, I don't think it's gonna happen, and
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: so we've been talking about it for a while. I'm
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: not gonna speak to any of the Nikovich stuff, but
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: just but it's not just the nick of it stuff.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: If you've read the stuff and they're telling you about
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: how he's he's, he's okay, he's like during the season
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: he was mister Iant on you know the local writers
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: twitter feeds, mister Iant strikes again. But now when it
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: got to the point where they clearly had told everybody
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: Queen resigning again, Uh, you know, he's you know, that's
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of money for a good not great corner
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: I read yesterday in a number of places, not just
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Rob Nikovich, but to Mike's point, Mike felt Mike had
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: a vibe yeh from the player, that he didn't seem
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: like a patriot guy that they would invest in long term.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: But and Mike and I were lockstep on you, and
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: Mike's right about like the type of player. But if
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: you're looking at good cornerbacks, they're all like that, you know,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: like you're not gonna get like. I agree, that's why
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: they just all by the corner. By the way, good
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: wide receive the same thing. They all have their swagger
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: and attitude, speak their mind, but just go over it.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it was by the way, I agree with
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: Carlos Heel on the revolution to speaking speak their mind.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be playing in those conditions. You shouldn't. They
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: should not be playing games in March. I didn't hear
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: him complaining when they won the game of a couple
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago. I understand that, but I'm just saying
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: the same type of condition. It was crazy. I don't care.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: I don't like the MLL schedule in March, and I'm
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: sure there's a million reasons why you need to do it.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: I don't like it. Well I took a turn, yeah,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: just to make a few more speaking their mind, to
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: make a few more people hate me. Uh. Jamison Williams,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: same vibe with him. Not not their kind of guy.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: So sorry to all the guys who want him. That's
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: the same vibe I got about him when I heard
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: him talking in Indian. But but but that's to me,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: that's relevant. What he's telling you was relevant. It is.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: But I'm telling you they're making a mistake. What what? What?
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: No like? And you know why Paul Paul acts like
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: I never say these things. I do be but usually
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: well they rare yes, you know, I've been saying this
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: for a while. Wide receivers, cornerbacks, you got to coach
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: them if if you know, if you don't like their personality,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to work through that because there's very
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: few of them are like Matthew Slater as as a
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: wide receiver or cornerback, I mean, can I ask a
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: question like as an owner, mister Kraft, you know, is
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: this is this? And I don't want to, you know,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: try to make anybody speak for them, but as an
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: ownership looking down at a head coach hand and GM
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: giving out your money. Uh do you like that? Do
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: you like how? Because the bar is extremely high, and
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: I agree it's it's probably too high even regardless of
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about right now, because who on the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: roster right now has been extended? Who like Shaq Mason?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: I think I think as an owner, guys, I think
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: as an owner, you don't pick like that as long
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: as you're winning. Later if if you have if you
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: have several seasons in a row, if you have several
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: seasons in a row or you're not, then you start
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: nitpicking things like that. Yeah, but as an owner, you don't.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: You don't worry about those details until you're not winning
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: any because it's just like on the surface, they're not
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: winning anymore. Yeah, they did win. They did win. Unbelievable,
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: they haven't won a game of two years. They left
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: a bad taste in your mouth. They did. They can
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: we not a quate not going winless and not winning
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: like you don't have to go. But it's slowly it
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: goes from seven and nine and ten and seven to
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: like it's really what it is, seventeen and seventeen over
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: the last two years. Okay, so that's that's that's that's
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: that's fact. That's not Paul Snart. There average, that's average,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: and Bill players average five hundred. You know, you can
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: play that game anyway you want. But you know there's
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: there's still I'm sorry, what game are we playing? You
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: know where they not go seventeen and seventeen last year?
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: Bill Parcels not be a five hundred coach with the Patriots?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: What was he as a Patriots coach? Yes, you know
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: he was. I mean he's a bad coach. Who said
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: that Bill is a bad coach? You know? Do you
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: talk about making things up? No one ever said anything
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: about belichick coaching ability. I just think as if I'm
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: Robert Kraft, I'm not freaking out yet. You know, I
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: saw improvement. I got, we got our quarterback who we
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: think we can work with. I see things. Okay, Now,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: like I said, if you have four seasons in a
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: row that you know they get worse, then you start
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: nitpicking Bill. Then you start looking at you know who,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: you know, the little things that we were just talking about.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: But right now, like it's kind of waiting the owner.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: I think a good leader looks at things as they're happening.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: And doesn't wait for the results to determine whether or
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: not they were good moves. Yeah, I think you look
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: get out in front of things, well, like what are
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: we doing? Do you do? You really want your owner
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: in there saying you know, why did you do this?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Why did you do? When you analyze it? You don't
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: wait to see what happens. Well, well, I don't know.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: I think earned a little bit of leeway. He's had
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: a lots had it, and he's earned it. He's had
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of it. So what do you? I mean, like,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: who are you railing against? Who has the giving him leeway? You? You? You?
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: He made a couple of signings I disagree with. I
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: don't want him fired. I mean, let's not make stuff
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: up for I don't know almost I thought I heard.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I want to I want to pose a question, and
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I should because it might be fodder
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: for for years side of the street. But please, we
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: got only fifty three They in the in like the
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: first iteration of the dynasty, did they did they do this?
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Did they hang on to guys too long? Did they
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: give contracts to guys where? Well, they did the opposite.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: They did older guys. They constantly recycled the rost. They
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: brought in on the guys immediately, and you know, I
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: brought in Bobby Hamilton and Brian Cotts. He brought in
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: veterans in and out and out, but you can't have
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: those guys staying around too. He brought in veterans that
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: he knew, like he could count on until he got
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: the younger guys to play. Yeah, McGinnis led them on.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: Right now, you're kind of beginning things. Bruskie was different,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: yea of his health thing, but that you haven't seen
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: those guys play yet, those younger guys enough, right. I
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: think that Deuce has hit on the problem. And this
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: is why I why I feel like they've done what
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: they're doing right now, is because back then it was, yeah,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: we can let that guy go because we got this
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: guy coming. We can let Damien Woody go. We got
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: Dan Copen in the fifth round. Like, just as an
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: example right off the top of my head, we can
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: let Ted Washington walk after a year because we're drafting
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: Itz Wilford and you know, trailer, They're not doing that
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: in a consistent basis anymore on that one. And that's
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: why I feel like that they need to retain some
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: of these guys because they feel like they can still help. Unfortunately, unfortunately,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: because I don't think what you have is good enough.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry that I feel that way, but that's
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: how I feel like. I guess that's sitting poorly at
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: some I just think on every team, every coach needs
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: their guys that they can do Penn done, you know,
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: like the old how many of them? But again, like
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: how many are we talking about? It feels like everybody
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: after it after it's not. It feels like it, but
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: it's not. But it's every move they made has been
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: with that in mind. Well that's initially, let's see what happens.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: Okay again different on Thursday, they resigned mc cordy. Next
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: tuesday later and James White. Next tuesday, we might be
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: talking about four new guys that they might sign, Darius Williams,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: Alan Robinson and Miles Jack. And I'll have a totally
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: different tone. You're not gonna be here Thursday. I'll have
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: a totally different tone if they go out and they
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: sign younger, big money guys and and and an infusion
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: of town and I'll and I'll go on your side
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: the street, and I'll have a different tone. If they
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: bring back High Tower and Bentley and I'll have a
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: different tone. Yeah, yeah, you know so that I don't
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: think that one more will put you over the topic.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: I sign High Tower that that'll be it. I said,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: what are they doing? And you know, well, Bentley's young.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: Bentley doesn't fall into me. But it's kind of like,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: you know, like he's a young player, too big. He's
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: only four years ago, as was just I mean, it's funny,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: you know, but bent least not my problem, Like he's
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: not thirty five years old. I don't like if they've
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: resigned Bentley, I'm not going to add him to the
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: list of I can't believe they're resigning all of these
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: thirty somethings because he's not you'll put them on the
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they said, of these guys that can't run,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know, is he any different than efreny Uh?
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, m what's this guy's name, Ray Kuan McMillan. No,
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: you think Ray Kuan McMillan can run any better than Bentley?
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: Run at all? Right now? Yah? Oh my knee? What
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: this once? It's coming back up on him to fight it.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: I'm boy. Yeah, I'm just I am a little jacked
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: up today, no question, I I thought. And it's funny
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 1: because this is exactly what I expected, And sometimes when
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: you're right, it's even more because I just think that
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: they needed to they needed to take steps. I thought
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: they took steps last year to bring in some younger guys,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: and I thought they needed to continue that, to continue
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: to recycle through that. And I think that they've been
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: literally reluctant to do it. And I don't, but I
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: don't think that what they've done eliminates the possibility of
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: that happening. Hey, I do, yeah, Okay, it's just more
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: of a perception kind of thing. I don't think there
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: are openings now that are apparent to a perspective free agent.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: You know, with something there's certainly a wide receiver, there's
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: a yeah, there's a job, but there's only one wide
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: receiver worth taking. I don't think they're going to be
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: in I think there's plenty of openings. I think the
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: whole rosters open for crying out loud, starting corner, corner, linebacker,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: front line. Okay, but if you're gonna like you can
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: sign Jalen Mills. I wanted to sign like a good player,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: like a guy that was worth right, you know, Like
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: I don't want to just sign like a patchwork guy. Like, yeah,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: they're gonna sign. They're probably gonna sign a cornerback. Yeah,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna get blood twins. But it's not
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: gonna be you know, yeah, it's not gonna be the
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: guy that's jac Jackson's caliber. Listen, I'm on record saying
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: they should have jac Jackson to be on the team
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: right now. Yeah you are. I mean, what can else
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: you think you'd be disappointed by that? But you're not. Listen,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: You're gonna move on. I can't. I can't dwell on it.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: I gotta move on. You know, we got football. It
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: just it just feels like it just feels like that, Yes,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: we got football to play. They were ten and seven
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: and they made the playoffs. But I think the way
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: the season ended and they will be remembering, and the
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: way the AFC is evolving around them, it makes it
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: look like they're stuck in quicksand right now, right now,
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: they are in Okay, Well, that's all I'm commenting on.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not commenting on I get but but and I
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: agree with that, but I don't think the signing of
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: these three guys makes it any worse, Let's put it
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: that way. But it doesn't make it any better. But
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: but it's the point. But right, yeah, but I don't
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: think it prevents them from making it better either. Well,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: but Mike said it earlier in the show. They need
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: to hit in the draft, whether or not they signed
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: those three guys, they need to do that. Yes, you know,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: so that's what I'm saying. But it would I think
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: people wanted, had had at least a little bit of
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: hope that they would do something to improving. We all
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: said that, right, we all said that at the beginning
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: of the show. We're not surprised, but we all wanted
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: to be surprised. Yeah, you know, I'm still there. I
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: wanted I'm still hoping to be surprised. You know, there'll
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: be somebody we'll see. I just hope there is something
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: crazy or happens tomorrow and then we don't have pp
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: over here. They signed like an eighteen year old kid,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: and it's like, hey, we got younger from his couch.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: If they signed uh, if they signed Miles Jack, we
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: could do it emergency podcast tomorrow. All right, that's gonna
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered, lively show,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: very passionate as it is, can imagine what the football
• 2:00:09
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• 2:00:17
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