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Hot Tub in the Middle of Nowhere · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. Today we
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  Speaker 2: are breaking down episode five of Gen season. Ben. I
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  Speaker 2: watched three episodes, so like six hours in the past
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  Speaker 2: forty eight hours. I did a little binge. Actually, we
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  Speaker 2: watched the episode that aired two weeks ago in the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: This was the second time that I delivered on a Monday,
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  Speaker 2: and I watched the show in my hospital bed. But
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't like fully grasp, you know, everything, because I
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  Speaker 2: just had delivered a baby eight hours six hours earlier,
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  Speaker 2: so I had to rewatch that episode. And then I watched,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the past two weeks as well.
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  Speaker 3: So you were watching episodes in bed like before or
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  Speaker 3: after delivery, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Like six hours after delivery.
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  Speaker 4: I watched the episode where they did the strip teas interesting.
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  Speaker 4: What'd you think that episode was the one where Sam
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  Speaker 4: and Devin really went at it, or like Sam kind
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  Speaker 4: of became a little bit of a villain for a moment,
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  Speaker 4: and then I saw the trajectory of the villain thing
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  Speaker 4: didn't really go that far. I think that they're done
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  Speaker 4: with villain. I think they're done with creating a villain.
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  Speaker 2: Right now. I think we're just we're just going to
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  Speaker 2: see where the love goes, you know. I think that
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  Speaker 2: was one of those things were just like.
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  Speaker 3: A blip kind of except I don't think Sam in
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  Speaker 3: the audience's eyes, has gotten recovered recovered. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think he's recovered yet. From that, I don't think he
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  Speaker 3: will kind of viewed as that. Okay, you don't know
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  Speaker 3: if he will. That's really the big things leading up
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  Speaker 3: to this episode, or is the Sam story obviously, Devin
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  Speaker 3: kind of being this character that at first we thought
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  Speaker 3: was just annoying the house. Now we don't know if
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  Speaker 3: he's on in the right or in the wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's just good now. You know how we
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  Speaker 2: said that, we were like, we were like not defending him.
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  Speaker 2: We're like, you know, I'm not saying I like him.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of like him.
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  Speaker 3: Now, how do you feel I'm pretty neutral on Devin.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really know yet. I don't think he's the
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  Speaker 3: right one for her. I'll stand up, I'll stand beside that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think though he is again, like you were saying,
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  Speaker 3: the villain, I don't actually know if there is a
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  Speaker 3: villain this season. As much as there's just some people
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  Speaker 3: that the audience might be like, Ah, I'd rather not
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  Speaker 3: I'd rather not watch them, or I'd rather than not
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  Speaker 3: be with Jen And but I don't think anybody's gonna
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  Speaker 3: leave this show being known as the villain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that this episode really narrowed it down
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  Speaker 2: to the guys that I actually i'll see like having
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  Speaker 2: some sort of a chance kind of.
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  Speaker 3: I will say that the exit this week was shocking
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  Speaker 3: to me. We'll talk about that later. Dylan, Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: a little surprising.
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  Speaker 2: I like, I would have liked Dylan to stick stick around.
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  Speaker 3: I like Dylan. He we didn't get see enough of him.
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  Speaker 3: But let's dive into the first scene before we get
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  Speaker 3: into the exits. Obviously, leading up to this episode, which
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  Speaker 3: is episode five, we've kind of said it, the big
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  Speaker 3: characters have been Sam and Devin and Marcus and also Jonathan.
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  Speaker 3: They've all kind of been the ones that have been
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  Speaker 3: shown the most so far. We do have two Rose
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  Speaker 3: ceremonies this episode. That's kind of a shock. But the
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  Speaker 3: first scene is the cocktail party. So we leave last
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  Speaker 3: week where Matthew shows up the very end to kind
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  Speaker 3: of tell Jim that he, you know, wants a second chance.
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  Speaker 3: We don't really know where that relationship was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: three months ago or four months ago, whatever they're saying
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  Speaker 3: the timeline was, but we do know that he's into Jim. However,
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  Speaker 3: the audience, the good old sleuthers out there, have found
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  Speaker 3: that Matthew did a lot of content around his appearance
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  Speaker 3: on The Bachelorette. Oh yeah, kind of recording that he
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  Speaker 3: was leaving, doing a lot of things on his content. Now,
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  Speaker 3: was he doing it for purpose, for his own purposes?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I do though, wonder you know, how
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  Speaker 3: in the world he knew where Jin and the team
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  Speaker 3: was at, and how in the world he ended up there,
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  Speaker 3: and how Jesse knew he was walking in at that moment.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you brought up so many things that I want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about now. Last in the last episode, when
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  Speaker 2: they said that he paid his way, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I believe that.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: They really emphasized it, and then I started to it
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, I guess he really did.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he did, but it was he still told them, yes,
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  Speaker 3: this is not a shock to the show. The show.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely show come on over, but we're not paying for it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but come on over. We'll make sure that you
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  Speaker 3: get to see Jin. And honestly, Jin handled this as
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  Speaker 3: well as I think you could have. Ashley, did you
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  Speaker 3: think Matthew should have been let back on the show?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, like I would have left that up to Jen.
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  Speaker 2: I think she made the best decision, which is not
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  Speaker 2: letting him up. I think that the guy probably this
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  Speaker 2: is what happened. They probably just had a reason that
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  Speaker 2: they weren't going to be together. You know, they dated
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  Speaker 2: dated a couple of years ago, and then they like
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  Speaker 2: kind of rekindled something over the past few months, and
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  Speaker 2: there's the allure of him being with the Bachelorette. Like
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  Speaker 2: every lead out there has people from their past that
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  Speaker 2: are watching them be the lead on this show and
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  Speaker 2: be like, holy crap, I could have been with the
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  Speaker 2: Bachelor or the Bachelorette and I missed out on that.
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  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, that person has extra
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  Speaker 2: glow around them and it's like, oh, I can't go
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  Speaker 2: on without them. And then in addition, this guy between
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  Speaker 2: you saying that he was documenting on social media, I
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  Speaker 2: think he just also like like a TV moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it feels good, right your ex is
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  Speaker 3: now on television you have this kind of romanticized idea
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  Speaker 3: of what this could be probably and you say I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna go do it, And quite honestly, like Matt did
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  Speaker 3: it well. He walked in with confidence, he handled it well.
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  Speaker 3: I actually, like you said, it's Jen made a decision
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  Speaker 3: she made I would say this, outside of everything else
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  Speaker 3: we know about Matt, which isn't a lot, I really
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  Speaker 3: appreciated him coming into the room and being like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: Jen is sending me home. I came here to try
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  Speaker 3: to figure this out, but she really likes the guys
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  Speaker 3: in this room, and so as a result, I'm going home.
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  Speaker 3: I did not, though, love the response from the OG
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  Speaker 3: contestants on how they kind of spoke to him. It
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  Speaker 3: felt like it was very us versus him, which is
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  Speaker 3: a little fair. But when a guy does what he
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  Speaker 3: just did, I feel like there should have been a
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  Speaker 3: warmer welcome of like, hey man, thanks for thanks for
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  Speaker 3: telling us that. Yeah, nice to look.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks bye.
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  Speaker 3: It was a little bit of like this bolly outsider mentality,
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  Speaker 3: which I don't like, like Matt's an outsider, you don't
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  Speaker 3: belong here, but it does show and really, for the
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  Speaker 3: first time all season, actually I was questioning this, it
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  Speaker 3: does show that Jen is very happy with her group
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  Speaker 3: of guys. I didn't actually know she was or not
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  Speaker 3: until this moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought she was definitely going to allow the
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  Speaker 2: him back in, especially based on how they made the
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  Speaker 2: preview look last week. They did a great job with
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  Speaker 2: that preview. Let's just say also about Matt, I felt like,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like everybody has that person in their past
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  Speaker 2: right that even if they don't become the lead, some
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  Speaker 2: there's just distance between you. Guys say you like you
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  Speaker 2: go to different schools and then you start thinking like,
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  Speaker 2: oh did I I miss out on that chance, and
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  Speaker 2: you totally romanticize it. So like I understand having to
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  Speaker 2: go through that and seeing like if there was one
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  Speaker 2: last chance. I'm wondering though, just because the previews again
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  Speaker 2: are making it seem like this, like she doesn't pick anyone.
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  Speaker 2: What if in her head Matt lingers.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm, right. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked. They came
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  Speaker 3: to my mind watching the previews that I would not
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  Speaker 3: be surprised if we find out that Matt and Jen
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  Speaker 3: are actually trying to make this thing work, because he
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  Speaker 3: was kind of this figure now that she was curious
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  Speaker 3: about there's so much we don't know about the relationship.
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  Speaker 3: It felt very tongue in cheek, even while they were
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  Speaker 3: talking to each other about things said and unset.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that was the other thing we have to talk
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  Speaker 2: about that. Did he ever say I love you? I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, because she said that she's never heard I
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  Speaker 2: love you before when she was talking who said that?
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  Speaker 2: Who said that to her? This episode? Was it Devon?
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  Speaker 3: It might have been Devon.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody said like, I'm falling in love with you and
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  Speaker 2: then she was like, oh, yeah, I was on the
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  Speaker 2: one on one with Devine. He said like, I'm falling
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  Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, my gosh, I've never like heard
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  Speaker 2: somebody say that they're falling for me before. But Matt
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  Speaker 2: goes and says that he had said that before.
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  Speaker 3: It's interesting. There's just feels it feels like this could
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  Speaker 3: have been messy, like there could have been a lot
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  Speaker 3: brought up that was not brought up based on, you know,
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  Speaker 3: his quick appearance. It just felt like they were kind
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  Speaker 3: of looking at each other and I could be just
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  Speaker 3: assuming things, which I typically am. It almost looked like
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  Speaker 3: Jen was looking at Matt being like, please don't say
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  Speaker 3: too much and Matt was looking at Jim and being like,
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  Speaker 3: do you want me to really talk about our past? Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that's what I felt.
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  Speaker 1: Ben.
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  Speaker 2: You just said it so well, especially what happened with
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  Speaker 2: for the past couple of months, because I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 2: it was probably between the Bachelor season becoming the Bachelorette
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  Speaker 2: that they like, she should became friendly again. But I
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  Speaker 2: think that they probably were.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't even judge. There's no like, there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: wrong with that. So if anybody's out there like, how
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  Speaker 3: in the world could she date between shows, like, well,
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  Speaker 3: it's been three months, four months, she's single. Why wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: she if she didn't meet her future husband during that time,
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  Speaker 3: then please go off and be the bachelorette. And she
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  Speaker 3: obviously doesn't feel like she met her future husband because
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  Speaker 3: the only guy that we know might have been in
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  Speaker 3: that time period was Matt, who she sent home once
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  Speaker 3: he arrived.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they brought up the weddings because she was like,
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  Speaker 2: you went to the weddings without me, because obviously they
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  Speaker 2: were intending for her to be the date at these weddings,
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  Speaker 2: but then she began the Bachelorette.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was just a lie. I just felt it
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  Speaker 3: in her eyes, like, hey, Matt, please don't mess me
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  Speaker 3: over here, like this is gonna be This could get
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  Speaker 3: a lot messier than what I want and what you want.
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  Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, you're not my guy,
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  Speaker 3: and so you need to go home. So he did,
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  Speaker 3: and he spoke to the men. The men handled it
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  Speaker 3: like children, in my opinion, and then the rose ceremony happens.
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  Speaker 3: The rose ceremony is right off the beginning of this episode.
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  Speaker 3: Not a big shock here. Honestly, this was kind of
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  Speaker 3: what I expected. If you would have said, what's the
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  Speaker 3: odds on favorite to go home during this row ceremony?
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  Speaker 3: I would have one hundred percent picked Thomas to be
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  Speaker 3: that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Thomas was the only one on my list to
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  Speaker 2: go home from this batch.
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  Speaker 3: He felt like the guy that was there. He was
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  Speaker 3: kind of causing some he was stirring up the pot
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, but that's kind of ended. And now
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  Speaker 3: at this point his connection with Jen is not there.
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  Speaker 3: His role kind of the stir of the pot is gone.
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  Speaker 3: So Thomas going home was not a shock to any
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  Speaker 3: of us. We still have an episode in front of us,
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  Speaker 3: full of dates and one on ones, and so we
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  Speaker 3: start out with the first one on one of the week,
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  Speaker 3: and it's Jonathan and Jin. Jonathan is somebody that you've
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  Speaker 3: been a fan of since the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: So cute, and now you like him too. You get it.
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  Speaker 3: I get it. I thought he was really great. I
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  Speaker 3: thought their date felt like it felt natural. Now I
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  Speaker 3: think viewership could watch him be like, hey, that was
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  Speaker 3: like forced fun, like the producers like you guys should
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  Speaker 3: throw berries at each other or whatever that was.
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  Speaker 2: Then I was thinking the same thing. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad I'm not the bachelorette at this moment,
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  Speaker 2: because this would be the most awkward date ever where
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  Speaker 2: they're like, Okay, Ashley, just go run in the field
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  Speaker 2: with him, like there's no actual activity here, just yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just frolic.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys just telecoptered into a place that you
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  Speaker 3: guys are supposed to watch, Dude, I don't know, have
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  Speaker 3: fun and it's like okay. But outside of even the
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  Speaker 3: forced fun and probably some nudging, I do feel like
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  Speaker 3: they actually enjoyed themselves and that they made this forced
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  Speaker 3: fun actually fun and silly and enjoyable for them. But
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  Speaker 3: I know exactly what was happening. They're like Jin talk
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  Speaker 3: about how Jonathan brings out your goofy side, and she's
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  Speaker 3: like he does. And then they're like, Jonathan, talk about
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  Speaker 3: how fun you how much fun you have a gin,
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  Speaker 3: And that's all they wanted. They just wanted to show
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  Speaker 3: that the two of them have a lot of charisma together.
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  Speaker 3: But the most important point out of all of this
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  Speaker 3: is if somebody is making you have forced fun, if
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  Speaker 3: they are forcing you into some activity that feels super
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  Speaker 3: awkward and goofy, if you have a partner that you
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  Speaker 3: can do it with and actually make it enjoyable or
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  Speaker 3: at least not make it awkward that you're both like,
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  Speaker 3: n all right, let's go for it. I do feel
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  Speaker 3: like that shows a compatibility. Okay, yeah, it's a lot
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  Speaker 3: better than being with someone you're like, this is so terrible,
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  Speaker 3: Like this person's a bump on the log. They're not
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  Speaker 3: going to enjoy any of this now, They're going to
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  Speaker 3: make it awkward, or they're going to get mad that
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  Speaker 3: we're supposed to be throwing things at each other and
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  Speaker 3: playing in Hide and Go Seek. No, I think they
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  Speaker 3: both like owned it and did it, and they were
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  Speaker 3: good partners to each other in the midst of that,
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  Speaker 3: And it made me like it made me like malt,
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  Speaker 3: I do feel like he is at the top of
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  Speaker 3: my list when it comes to connections with.
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  Speaker 2: Jen He's top four. Now I think I can safely
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  Speaker 2: put him in my top four.
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  Speaker 3: He's top two for me, oh top two.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, see he's in my top two as in favorites.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know that he's in the top two
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  Speaker 2: in Gen's favorites.
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  Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later, but that's an interesting statement.
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  Speaker 2: So what he did was they're sitting in the hot
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  Speaker 2: tub and he was like, obviously we're great at like
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  Speaker 2: giggling together, but do we like have a deeper emotional connection.
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  Speaker 2: And at that moment, I was like, oh, is he
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  Speaker 2: going to be eliminated in this episode, on this one
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  Speaker 2: on one because they can't get deeper. But it was
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  Speaker 2: absolutely the opposite. At dinner when he talked about he
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  Speaker 2: talked about his dad wasn't really in the picture and
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  Speaker 2: that his mom him very young, and he felt like
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  Speaker 2: he needed to be strong and stable for him and
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  Speaker 2: the sisters and not very vulnerable and emotional, and they
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  Speaker 2: really found common ground there.
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  Speaker 3: Just his openness. I think oftentimes when you watch this
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  Speaker 3: and somebody opens up and it is important to do
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  Speaker 3: on one on one date. It's not something that should
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  Speaker 3: ever be shied away from, especially if you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: date this person because you don't know how many opportunities
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  Speaker 3: you get. It just felt like, again, I'll go back
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  Speaker 3: to this compatibility, this comfort, this ability for the two
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  Speaker 3: of them to actually have a conversation that is tough
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  Speaker 3: and both reciprocate not only with empathy relatability, but just
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  Speaker 3: in this way that You're like, this looks like a
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  Speaker 3: real date to me. This is not you know, this
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  Speaker 3: isn't a one sided date. Jen is also participating in
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  Speaker 3: the conversation. She's not just a listener here. She is
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  Speaker 3: actually like, the two of them really feel like that.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I say he goes it to my top two,
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  Speaker 3: because it feels like the two of them this date
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  Speaker 3: really skyrocket him for that. Now, granted, he and I
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  Speaker 3: will say, there is something about getting the hot tub
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of nowhere date. I do think that
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  Speaker 3: gives him with some legitimacy. I think that's a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't there something there like Bachelor data has that did
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  Speaker 2: you have a hot tub date with somebody on your season?
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  Speaker 3: Lauren?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Really? Look at that, so there is something there.
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  Speaker 2: No wonder why he's in your top two yeats the
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  Speaker 2: stats here, okay. And then there was the kissing in
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  Speaker 2: the rain, which was fake rain.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that was rain. Yeah, there's a lot of rain
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  Speaker 3: this episode. I totally forgot about that.
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  Speaker 2: What other rain? Well, yeah, because it was if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the ground, it was only raining on them.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it was supposed to be their rom
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  Speaker 2: com moment because they were talking about wow, you know,
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  Speaker 2: wanting a love like you see in romance movies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean this whole date felt very good to me.
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it. I like Jonathan. I think he's
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  Speaker 3: very into gen and I think he's does this make sense,
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  Speaker 3: He's just the appropriate amount into Jen. He's not like
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  Speaker 3: overwhelmed and like, oh my gosh, my world is falling
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  Speaker 3: down around me.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: He's not a sam n He's.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Not a sam in. No, he's not freaking out. He
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: just feels like this could go a long ways or
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: some longevity to this relationship.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: He feels safe to me.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: He feels safe is a good word. Now. I don't
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: know if safe is the one at the end, I
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: think she'll have to decide, does she want safe or
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: does she want a risk or maybe she doesn't want anybody.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna be confused at this point why Jonathan
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: would ever go home. It feels like everything is kind
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: of aligning for those two to really work.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, because I think she's gonna find I think she
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: might go with more of a passion.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Was she loves the passion, which we see in the
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: final one on one. But before we get to the
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: final one on one, we do have a group date.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: The group date card says this love is messy, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: it was, and it is and Devin, Sam Marcus, Spencer, Jeremy,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Dylan Austin all go on this day. I loved this
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: group date. I thought it was the perfect group.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Date, best group date. You know how I usually pick
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: up my phone and scroll during group dates when there's activities.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: This was so fun. Take him to the farm, have
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: them shovel poop, having them shepherd the sheep was awesome.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Great.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: The guys seem like they just really had a good
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: time with it, no complaints. Great. I mean, was Devin
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: the greatest farmer again? I don't know. Definitely. I don't
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: think like anybody stood out as the best farmer.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: And that was just a that was definitely foreseen. Yeah,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I could see that Devin was, you know there, he
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: was being pulled aside to the you know it's that
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: still that kind of narrative of Devon has a target
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: on his back, Devon's taking hair, of stealing all the time,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. I think that's overplayed though at this point.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know why it still exists in episode five,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: because this is such a turning point episode. Usually each season,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: episode five is where we start to get more serious
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: with most relationships, where the like conversations about who's good
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: and whose bad kind of ends, or at least if
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: it still continues. Then next week's the two on one
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: and one of those people end up going home, Devin's.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I don't think what we see much more of this,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: but Devin does win more time with Gen, which we
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: don't really see a lot of, if any at all.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Make out.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: They just kind of make out, which is cool. Good
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: they both wanted it, especially after shoveling poop all day.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: But I love this group date because I think for contestants,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: it took a lot of pressure off of them. It
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: took a lot of pressure off of Gin, and it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: fun to go to these new countries and do something
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: that maybe you would never have done in the United States.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: There's not like farms that you can just call up
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: and be like, hey, can I come over and shovel
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: your your poop and like, you know, shave your sheet
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: for a bit. No, that's not a deal. So it's
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: cool that they get to do that there. They probably learn.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Something dingleberries, how to take off dingle berries.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I think it's great. So what a great group date,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: what a great idea from the show to do. It
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: was enjoy to watch, and it was also enjoyable to
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: see how these guys kind of reacted to it. They
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: all want to you know, some of them were you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: digging in literally and others of them were like, hey,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: not my deal, and I don't really get involved in
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. So great group date. Really enjoyed it.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: But it does lead us then into the night portion
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: of the date, which Devin is still a part of it.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: All the other guys are a part of as well.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: And so this is where Austin decides to leave. And
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I felt like this was an ego move. So Austin
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: to me has been I mean, I like him I
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: think he's cute, right, but he's been feeling like he's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: under the radar, not getting a one on one, not
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: getting attention, having his relationship not compared to the other guys.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: He says, he feels like he steps and steps below
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the other guys. And when he goes up to her
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and says that he's leaving, it feels to me like
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: he wanted to dump her before she dumped him.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Right, And there was no reasoning besides that to me.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: No, I just felt like he had gotten in his
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: own head and had said, hey, I'm not the one,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: and he probably isn't. And so if he wanted to
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: go on home, go home and is on his own accord, great.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's really how this is all supposed
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to play out, but I don't. I also think if
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: he was in the top choices for her, she could
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: have convinced him. She didn't try any convincing. She more
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: like when internal and was like, what am I doing
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: wrong here? Why are these guys not into me?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It was like a girl, it's not that guys aren't
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: into you, it's that like he just he just felt
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: his ego was bruised because he wasn't getting probably the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: attention that he does back at home, and he just
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: didn't want to be He just didn't want to be
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: sent home by you, So he made the first move
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to not be crazy. But like, also, do you think
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: that the producers knew that, like if a guy went home,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: especially without much reasoning, that it was really going to
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: f with her psyche, which it did and her so
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: of worth and so they're like, hey, let's like, let's
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: make her feel something here for a second.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Happened to me, Yeah, happened to me during the Bachelor season.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Uh one, I had, you know, two people go home
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: early on on their own, and then in the Bahamash, everybody,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: all the girls got mad at me because they felt
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: like I was spending too much time giving attention to
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: a few of the girls that were definitely in the top.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: They weren't wrong about their criticism adjustment. But then they
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: were all like, I'm going home because if this is
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: if you're done with me or if I'm not even
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: in consideration, I'm going home. And it did. It messed
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: with me bad. I remember being like, I don't think
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I can save this. Every one of these girls is
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: going to be going home, and I'm going to be
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: sitting here being like I'm the only bachelor at week
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: six to lose all of them at once, which wouldn't
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: have been a shock to me. I was just like
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I thought the show was supposed to protecting from this,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: go to messing with your psyche. It humbles you, but
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: it also makes you refocus a lot on Hey, maybe
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I am not giving attention to some of these guys
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: and I do want them or need them to be here.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: It's good for everybody, and so I need to start,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: you know, caring for them a little more.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Yes, I think the show is like this is perfect.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Go ahead, Austin, go home. Tell you're going home, doesn't
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: bother us at all. Let's shake gin up a bit,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: get her refocused.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And the reaction she gets from the guys is actually wonderful.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: She goes in and she tells them how she's feeling
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: about how she's like worried about being worthless. There's a
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: lot in this episode that you can just tell that,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: like her dad leaving the family really direct her to
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the core. Yeah, and it really did have her choose
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: the wrong guys once she started getting to the dating
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: age and all that, but these guys like kind of
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: go around in a circle, and I feel like it
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: was unprompted, at least I like to think that it
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: was unprompted sharing about how like they have felt similarly
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: to her before.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a great moment, and I
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: do think they all stepped up. There is one thing
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: about the group date that we haven't talked about that
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about. What's the guy's name that
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: was petting her head, Jeremy? How is he still there?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I thank you. He's the only one when we look
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: around the circle that I'm like, yeah, I don't get
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that one.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, this guy, I'm sure he's a
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: nice guy, he's looking whatever, but like we haven't seen
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: any moments with him in gine. In fact, every moment
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: we have seen has been pretty awkward. I mean this literally,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: I was watching this was like he's just petting her hair,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: like just smacking the back of her head's and I
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: liked it. Jen was like, what are you doing? Are
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: you petty?
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: But like I think that I kind of like like
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: each other in the sense that there is like that
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: playfulness where she's like, why are you petting me? He's
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: definitely the next to go. Like he does not survive
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: next week.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be shocked if he did. But maybe
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: there is the playfulness, maybe there is the comfort. I
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: don't know what you call it, but it was a
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: weird moment. And I was shocked that Dylan went home
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: above him. But that's, you know, something we can talk
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: about later.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: That that's a good point, man.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of shocked. We do have the Grant and
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Gen date. This was a massive date for many reasons, right,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Grant came out of the limo as one of the favorites.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: He definitely stood out. He had confidence, he had the
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: swagger he had.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Didn't trust him because because the swagger and the looks.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: But he's grown on me a lot. Especially this episode.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: He growed me a lot. We saw him kind of
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: bring his guard down and actually talk you know him,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: And we were saying Grant and Sam kind of had
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: this same same thing going where it felt like they've
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: spoken movie lines for a bit. But this episode we
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: could see so much of Grant where he actually converses
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: with her and you know, shares his heart, shares his feeling,
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: shares who he is. And I'm like, this is a
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: good dude for you. Jen, This is a guy that's
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: up there now for me, and I wasn't convinced initially.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: So walk us through this one on one and at
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: the end, I want to talk about what you think
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: this means moving forward?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Well, this one on one, you know, what did they do?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: What was it? Activity? Why don't I remember in activity?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Hold on?
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Do you remember horseback riding?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, So the two of them go horseback riding.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: It's cute, it's playful, but it's the nighttime portion of
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the day where we like feel connected to him because
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: he starts talking about his dad and now his dad
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: has been he's been addicted to We're not really one
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: hundred percent sure, but I know he has an alcohol
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: problem and he's been rehab over the past, very recently,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and he just came out of rehab and it's the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: first time that he that he and his dad have
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: like connected in a sober way, and he just again
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: there's the that compatibility or that shared experience and the
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: fact that he hasn't had a full father figure the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: way that she hasn't had a father figure, and we
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: just we feel depth from him, and I just feel
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: like he is way more sincere than we thought that
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: he was.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think his story was one that so many
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: people in the audience will probably watch and be like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: I either understand or this helps make you make sense.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: You're a wise person, You've been through a lot. You
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: obviously are somebody that wants to stand beside those who
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: are hurting. There was a lot there when he was
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: speaking about his experience with his father that just felt
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: like for me personally, I said, I want to watch
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: more of this guy. I want to learn more about him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: There's so much now to uncover. And I really appreciated
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: this date. I think these two one on ones this
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: episode were absolutely incredible when it comes to connections moving forward,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: and when I ask you the question, what do you
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: think this means moving forward? What I was getting to
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: is because in my eyes, and maybe it's just a
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: recency bias that I have, Jonathan and Grant are my
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: top two for her.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I think they could be a smart top
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: two for her, but I don't think they'll be her
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: top two.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: It's that's I mean, that's why I was so curious
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: when you said that Jonathan now steaks into the top four.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: I was like, all right, he's either one or two
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: grant him or you know, going back and forth. We're
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: gonna again. We'll talk more about that as the episode
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: ends here and as we stop our recording, because we
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: go through our top fours, but obviously somebody not in
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: the top four is well the person that goes home
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: from the rose ceremony. This episode, we don't have a
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: cocktail party. You know, Jen already knows what she's going
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: to do, which is kind of shocking considering how it plays.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: She ends up sending Dylan home, which for me was
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: a shock. I don't feel like we got to see
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: enough of Dylan. He seemed to be very well liked
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: in the house. He seemed to have a lot of
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: friends in the house, and he also, at least episode
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: one I think it was it felt like he was
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: kind of a main character and gonna definitely make some
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: waves here during the season.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: I know, the only other guy who didn't have a
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: one on one in this group is Jeremy, So I
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: really thought I was gonna be between him and Jeremy,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and you know, I guess what it comes down to,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. They're both going to go home.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: But it was just unfortunate. I think that Dylan and
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: her didn't connect just because he just seemed like such
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: a good stand up guy and they're both in the
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: medical field, and who knows, who knows why it wasn't there,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: but it wasn't there. And if we are going to
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: go into what we think is going to happen, there's
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: a little spoiler in the since the next episode, and
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: that is you see her with Devon in front of
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: a home and it's definitely not like a mansion or
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: anything like that. It is it's just an American home.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so we can assume he makes the hometowns.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: He makes it to hometowns, And I guess that's not
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: a huge spoiler. That's like probably something they could put
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: in there because he's just been such a prominent character.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that we can both put Devon
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: in our top four because it's basically in front of
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: her eyes. Yeah, and then I'm going to put Sam,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna put Jonathan. Then my like, hmm,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the person who I think can be who do I
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: think can be in there? Who's like my up in
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the air dude. I guess we could put Grant in there.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: You've always liked Marcus Marcus.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: There we go, Thank you. Marcus. Marcus is going to
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: get in there over Grant for me.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: So it's her aunt and Jonathan Marcus for me and
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: then Devin. I think that's my top four.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: So you don't have Sam in there. No, you think
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: that she's gonna get over Sam in the next week. Yeah,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that would mean that Sam gets eliminated next week.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I think he gets eliminated next week.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Why you are just saying this for interest?
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I think it's just coming. It has to come at
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: some point, especially with all of the stuff online that's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: been happening, you know, with his family kind of commenting
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: on their relationship and you know, making the statement that
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Jin's going to look like an idiot and all this.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I've been in baby world, tell me what this is about.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: On Instagram, his family has been commenting on his pictures
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: in defense of him, especially when the weeks were going
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: on where you know, people weren't reacting well to him
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: and they just said, just wait till how this plays out.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: But that makes me feel like they met her.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah they could. I don't know, it could. I just
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: don't have I just can't put him in my top
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: four because I just don't think it plays out well.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: And those guys I still think have a chance. I
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: think they still have a chance to be there next
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: week and the week after and the week after. The
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: four I mentioned I think could be the Hometown four.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: That's my prediction right now. I have no idea, but
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: it is my prediction right now. I do think Grant
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: will be there because of this really sweet moment we
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: see with him and Marcus, and it just says a
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: lot about Marcus I think. I mean, Grant definitely had
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: his episode, this was a big episode for him, but
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: telling Marcus like I'm falling.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: For her, oh yeah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: And him trusting Marcus with that information and then say
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: hey man, can we not? Can we not really like
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: share this with the group and he's like, I won't
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: do that. Man. That is just like that reminded me
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: of my time on the Bachelorette with some of those guys,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: like with a Jared, where I could be like, Hey, Jared,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I know this is weird. I know this whole thing
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: doesn't make any sense, it's all crazy, But can I
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: talk to you? Because I haven't had anybody else to
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: talk to her. I just need to talk to somebody
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I trust, even if this is weird, and like, those
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: are the moments now I look back on him like
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: those were some of my favorites because it you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: it was the best of guys that you choose to
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: want to do that with, and Jared was definitely one
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: of those for me.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: He remembers this time with you in the sauna.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Sauna. Yeah, we said a sona for three hours just
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: talking about stuff, so we know they can have mics
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: in there.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, thank you for bringing that moment up to
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  Speaker 2: the two of them. It was really sweet and seeing
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  Speaker 2: him cry over feeling love that totally changed my opinion
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  Speaker 2: on him.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's what I'm saying. Those two
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: are those two are far beyond in my eyes, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: it's interesting that they're not in yours.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Marcus is and I would hate to see him
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  Speaker 2: leave next either of them leave next week, which I'm
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: saying that it would, but we'll see. Okay, I have
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: to say, can I give you my prediction, Yes, especially
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: after you tell me about the family's comments. Yes, I
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: think it's going to go down to Sam and Devin,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and I think that the family is referring to something
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: that she does in the end, which is like, either
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: don't propose to me, or it's just she's the pick
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  Speaker 2: No One and they're gonna be like, look, she screwed
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  Speaker 2: him over. And I think that in getting down between
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: sam and and Devin, who both have like some you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: it wasn't so prevalent during this episode, but have had
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: tension before and they're both alphas, gonna it would just
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: be really good TV.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: It'll be a Nick Vile shambo.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: That's what it is. It's either Nick Vile and sham
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: booth or it's Nick and Josh.
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  Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah, from previous He's interesting. It happened twice for
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Nick's I never thought about that way. Roa cumony happens.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Dylan does go home. As we mentioned, we have the
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: preview Ashley's mentioned it. We do see Devin kind of
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: standing in front of door. It makes us assume he's there,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: at least through hometowns. There's a lot of tears, there's
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of cutting and pasting here. We don't exactly
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: know what happens. But the one thing I think Ashley
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: and I would stand firm on is we still both
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: believe she doesn't end up with anybody at the end
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: of the season.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But now that they're teasing that so much, do
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: you think they're just trying to throw us off?
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's one hundred percent what's going to happen.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I don't why Why are they going to tease it
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: so much? Why want they just make it a real surprise, because.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I think they're almost thinking it's like reverse psychology. Yeah,
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: like if you tease it, they'll never believe it. Kind
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: of that, I think because for so many years they've
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: teased things and it's never happened. Remember we complained here.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: We're like, it's they're going to lose a trust the
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: viewers if they keep doing this. I think they probably
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: listen to the almost famous podcasts. They trust our opinions,
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: and they're like, now we're going to actually build in
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: the trust of the viewership by actually doing what we
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: say we're going to do.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes that is the best way to end
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the season dramatically. Is like when you watch a movie
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: where like somebody there's some murder and then the murder
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: ends up being the one that was obvious the entire time.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: That's the actual twist.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, actual twist. I think that's how it plays out. Well,
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: we have more exciting episodes coming your way. We still
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: have headlines coming out this week. Obviously. This is episode
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: five of the Bachelorette season where Jin is leading and leading, well,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: she's actually crushing it. She's a great bachelorette. She's so
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: very likable, and I just I hope no matter what,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: she finds some happiness. I just don't know where or
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: when it's gonna happen. I don't think it happens from
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: the show. But Gin has been awesome and we look
• 36:25
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• 36:28
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