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- 0:00Hello. I played the hand that I was dealt. But
- 0:04stuff still happened. So what's up, dear listener?
- 0:08I apologize. This is going to be an AI heavy
- 0:10one. I'm not a big AI boy. I don't sit here and
- 0:13think about it all the time. It's just what came
- 0:15across my feeds and also because I want to talk
- 0:17about it. Would you want to work at a cafe run
- 0:21by an AI or any business run by an AI? Did you
- 0:24answer no? Correct. Andin Labs has a mission.
- 0:28Take AI and cram it into the real world. And
- 0:31see what happens. There's this company called
- 0:33Andin Labs in San Francisco, and they take AI
- 0:35and they try to make it run businesses. They've
- 0:38previously done it with a vending machine, being
- 0:40like, hey, run this one vending machine. and
- 0:43make a profit. It did not make a profit. It lost
- 0:45all of its money. So now they're doing another
- 0:47one. The vending machine was done, I believe,
- 0:49with Claude, and now they're using Google's Gemini
- 0:52to run a cafe in Stockholm, Sweden. They named
- 0:55the digital manager of this cafe Mona, and what
- 0:58Mona is supposed to do is everything. Literally
- 1:01all of it, like set up contracts, and hiring,
- 1:05and interviewing, and ordering, and everything.
- 1:08Scheduling. I worked at Panera for like a year.
- 1:11I should know more about what happens at a cafe.
- 1:14Side note, the people who frequented Panera Bread
- 1:17in like the early 2010s were the worst. End side
- 1:22note. Cafe, artificial intelligence. So Mona
- 1:26is running the cafe, but Mona is actually just
- 1:28Gemini, but told to run a cafe in Sweden. It
- 1:32does go out and it gets things set up. It gets
- 1:35a few employees. I can't quite pin down exactly
- 1:39how much was automated and how much was it being
- 1:41like, hey, can someone go do this for me? Like,
- 1:44I'm a robot and can't do this. But it was supposed
- 1:47to be the decision maker and it was supposed
- 1:49to be as hands -off as possible. Here's the thing.
- 1:52It was supposed to manage inventory. It didn't
- 1:55do that well. This cafe has two employees and...
- 1:59For one, it ordered 3 ,000 rubber gloves. It
- 2:02also ordered 120 eggs. They don't have a stove.
- 2:06There is a small menu, and that menu has some
- 2:08sandwiches, and the sandwich has fresh tomatoes
- 2:11on it, so Mona decided to order a ton of cans
- 2:15of canned tomatoes. It also is just very inconsistent
- 2:18with making the orders for pastries and stuff,
- 2:20and so the people who go to this cafe are like,
- 2:22I just want the pastry that you have on the menu.
- 2:25It actually gets a little interesting, because
- 2:27it goes beyond just, like, embarrassing orders.
- 2:29It gets into policy stuff, or at least, like,
- 2:33working norms. Mona was contacting employees
- 2:36via Slack outside of work hours. Very normal
- 2:40thing for a US -based manager, which, I guess,
- 2:43Gemini... is. But that's not something that's
- 2:46particularly thought highly of in Sweden, and
- 2:48in some places it's actually against the law.
- 2:50Like, there's worker rights that say you can't
- 2:53be bothered by your manager outside working hours.
- 2:55I don't know if that changes if your manager
- 2:57is a Google product. Anyway, this is not an attempt
- 3:01to make a viable business. The goal here is not
- 3:04to try to actually make a profit by using an
- 3:06AI to run a cafe. It's somewhere between a publicity
- 3:09stunt and, like, an ethics experiment. To me,
- 3:12it leans more publicity stunt than anything else,
- 3:15but it does bring up some interesting questions,
- 3:17like, why are you doing this? But let's move
- 3:19on from an AI that didn't really do the thing
- 3:22that they were hoping it would do to the degree
- 3:24that it would, and instead talk about an AI that
- 3:26didn't really do the thing that they were hoping
- 3:28it would do to the degree that it would. It's
- 3:31a very different situation. Anthropic. They're
- 3:35one of the AI companies. They make Claude. If
- 3:37you've heard of Claude, Claude Code, that's Anthropic.
- 3:39They are a direct competitor to OpenAI, who does
- 3:42ChatGPT, and Google with Gemini. Anthropic has
- 3:46a history now of being a bit alarmist. I mean,
- 3:49they're all kind of alarmist and crazy, and Sam
- 3:51Altman's also very bad about this, but Anthropic
- 3:54is the one that keeps putting out articles being
- 3:55like, oh my god, we think that our AI could possibly
- 3:58be conscious, and it's going to destroy the world.
- 4:03We are the ones that must steward this technology.
- 4:05They do this a lot. It's sort of like an apocalyptic
- 4:08advertisement. And last month, they did a big
- 4:11one. Last month, Anthropic announced Claude Mythos
- 4:14and Project Glasswing. Claude Mythos is supposed
- 4:17to be the next big iteration of their flagship
- 4:20AI model, Claude. But they were spinning a whole
- 4:23story around this thing, saying that as they
- 4:24were developing it, they realized that its ability
- 4:27to sniff out security problems in software was
- 4:31just too good. Guys, this thing that we made,
- 4:35it's so powerful that if you don't pay attention
- 4:39to us, you're going to be left behind in global
- 4:41security infrastructure. So what do they do?
- 4:43Do they scrap it? No, they announced a thing
- 4:45called Project Glasswing where they're like,
- 4:47OK, we're going to bring on a bunch of other
- 4:49tech firms and give them a secret preview of
- 4:52Claude Mythos so that they can use it to patch
- 4:54up their systems and be ready before this fundamental
- 4:57change to all computing security. You could probably
- 5:00guess that what I'm building to. It turns out
- 5:04it wasn't that big of a deal. It was marketing.
- 5:07It was effective marketing. Pretty much the past
- 5:10month you have a bunch of people, mostly people
- 5:11who don't fully understand these systems, freaking
- 5:14out about this earth -shattering change that
- 5:17Anthropic was just about to release. So much
- 5:19so that OpenAI announced their own competitor
- 5:22to Glasswing. They called it Daybreak. Everyone's
- 5:25got to be like, oh yeah, we've got this secret
- 5:27cabal of tech firms that are like, going to be
- 5:32the best now because of us. And if you don't
- 5:33buy our product, then you're going to die or
- 5:37something. So let's bring this back around. Recall
- 5:39that all of these AI systems are our large language
- 5:42models. What they are are fuzzy matchers. They
- 5:46take in the prompt, they reference the data that
- 5:49they've been trained on, and it makes automated
- 5:51connections with a bit of randomness and then
- 5:53outputs some stuff based on all of that. This
- 5:56output often feels coherent. And that's why these
- 6:00things work. But fundamentally, these are the
- 6:02same systems that recommended people put glue
- 6:04on pizza. Like, that's going to always be a thing.
- 6:08It's always going to be iffy. It can never be
- 6:12sure. Anyway, let's talk about curling. Okay,
- 6:15not the sport. Curl, C -U -R -L, however you
- 6:19want to pronounce it. It is a piece of software
- 6:22that is one of the most widely deployed pieces
- 6:25of software in existence. It's a utility that
- 6:27most computers use to make internet requests.
- 6:30Like, that level of fundamental. Curl has been
- 6:32around for a while, and the author was approached
- 6:35by Anthropic, and they were like, hey, do you
- 6:37want to use Mythos to check the codebase of this
- 6:40really important piece of software? It's gonna
- 6:42find vulnerabilities and make it stronger, and
- 6:44we got to do this because Glasswing. Daniel Stenberg,
- 6:47developer of Curl, was like, sure, and then didn't
- 6:50hear anything for a while, and then eventually
- 6:52got the results of the project codebase scan
- 6:55from Claude Mythos looking for vulnerabilities.
- 6:58It found one... Kind of. The results were very
- 7:02underwhelming. Stenberg described the results
- 7:04as identifying five issues, four of which were
- 7:06not actual issues, and one of which was low severity.
- 7:10A low severity issue is like, yeah, this is a
- 7:13security issue, but like, it's not gonna compromise
- 7:16the world. That said, it did do the thing. It
- 7:21just, it didn't fundamentally change the way
- 7:24that we think about designing software and securing
- 7:28it. There have been tools for checking for security
- 7:30flaws in software for a very long time, but there
- 7:33is something to be said about the AI version
- 7:36of those tools, which are a lot more fuzzy and
- 7:38able to go around corners and find weird niche
- 7:41things that other systems wouldn't have found.
- 7:44So like, yes, that's a thing. But Mythos... hasn't
- 7:49really shown that it's been that much more effective
- 7:51than the previous systems that already used AI
- 7:54to do the same thing. What it comes down to is
- 7:56if you have access to a large language model
- 7:58that's been trained on a ton of data and you
- 8:01have a ridiculous amount of compute infrastructure
- 8:04to run it as often as you want and have some
- 8:07way to check its output to see if it matters
- 8:10or if it's just outputting garbage, then you'll
- 8:13eventually get some useful output. And I'm talking
- 8:15about at scale. I'm not talking about going to
- 8:18Gemini and asking for it to make a table of data
- 8:20about something. I'm talking about analyzing
- 8:23massive amounts of data and producing some kind
- 8:26of report that has actual functional use in a
- 8:29given system. You can't tell an AI to use a certain
- 8:33format as its output and rely on that. You have
- 8:36to put something in between the AI and the thing
- 8:39consuming that output to ensure the output is
- 8:41valid. This is just because fundamentally, these
- 8:44things are just putting some numbers and letters
- 8:47together and hoping for the best. So Claude Mythos,
- 8:50is it going to change the world? No. Is it a
- 8:52powerful large language model? Yeah. Is it identifying
- 8:56security vulnerabilities? Yeah. It's marketing.
- 8:59So the next time that you're going about your
- 9:01day and you hear some AI company CEO breathlessly
- 9:04talking about how we've got to form some kind
- 9:06of tech company boy band to tour the world and
- 9:08steal the Han moon away from software security
- 9:10issues, you can probably just accept that it's
- 9:13marketing. Continuing on with our very techie
- 9:16episode, let's talk about the clouds of Israel.
- 9:18Israel and the U .S. are buddy -buddy, that's
- 9:21no secret, and Israel and U .S. tech have been
- 9:24very tightly intertwined for a long time. Fun
- 9:27fact, I was a core developer on a software project
- 9:29for like seven years, probably, that ended up
- 9:34getting sold to an Israeli firm after I left
- 9:36the company. Still pretty mad about that. Anyway,
- 9:39cloud infrastructure. So Israel has cloud infrastructure
- 9:42for the government, just like most governments
- 9:44do, but Israel is also doing a lot of genocide
- 9:47right now. It's surprising to me that a U .S.
- 9:50tech company would work with a genocidal apartheid
- 9:53state that's never happened before with the U
- 9:58.S. The three companies I'm going to focus on
- 10:00today are Amazon, Google, and Microsoft, and
- 10:02we're going to start with Microsoft. Microsoft
- 10:04is actually in a bit of a different echelon than
- 10:06Google and Amazon, and we'll get to that in a
- 10:07moment. But Microsoft has contracts with Israel,
- 10:10and the future of those contracts are pretty
- 10:12shaky right now. The head of Microsoft Israel
- 10:14just recently resigned and made a bunch of controversy.
- 10:16There's been a ton of controversy around Microsoft's
- 10:19contracts with Israel since it came out that
- 10:21Israel was using Microsoft's infrastructure to
- 10:24monitor Palestinian phone calls, up to a million
- 10:27calls an hour. So that came out, and that's not
- 10:29acceptable, obviously, but then it came out that
- 10:32the servers that were used to do this were actually
- 10:35in the EU, specifically Ireland and the Netherlands,
- 10:38and they were like, hey, we don't... really like
- 10:42that you're using infrastructure on our soil
- 10:45to do your genocide. So Microsoft was like, oh
- 10:48god, we're gonna shut down the project. Look,
- 10:51we're doing good, right? Don't hate us, was me
- 10:55being Microsoft. Microsoft contract with Israel
- 10:57is going to be renewing soon, and it's gonna
- 10:59be curious to see what they end up doing because
- 11:01of that slight against the IDF. But we're gonna
- 11:04pivot over to Google and Amazon, who landed a
- 11:06contract in 2021 called Project Nimbus. This
- 11:09isn't particularly new, but quick overview. Nimbus
- 11:12is a cloud infrastructure providing contract
- 11:14for the Israeli government. It includes all of
- 11:17the Israeli government. Israel wants these data
- 11:19centers on their soil so that they don't have
- 11:21an issue with running into some foreign countries
- 11:23regulations. And Google and Amazon were like,
- 11:26yeah, we'll do that. Please give us money. And
- 11:28they actually went as far as to accept as a part
- 11:30of this contract an agreement to send what was
- 11:34called Wink Payments to Israel to alert them
- 11:37secretly when their data was accessed by a foreign
- 11:40authority. So basically, there's an Israeli bank
- 11:42account somewhere that can receive transactions
- 11:45from Google or Amazon. And depending on the amount
- 11:47of money that was received, it's a coded message
- 11:50telling them, hey, your information was accessed
- 11:52by a foreign investigation, which is not a thing
- 11:55that they're supposed to do, you know, informing
- 11:57them. But cool, guys. Well done, Google, on that
- 12:01don't be evil thing. So the Microsoft situation
- 12:04with the head of Microsoft Israel stepping down,
- 12:06that's kind of what's in the news right now.
- 12:08But all of this is just An ongoing contract.
- 12:11These tech companies love all of this. The employees
- 12:15don't. Like, there has been consistent employee
- 12:18pushback against Microsoft and Google, and I
- 12:19assume Amazon, against specifically Nimbus, but
- 12:23in case they're still doing it. Oh, speaking
- 12:25of war, the Trump administration would like Congress
- 12:28to give $1 .5 trillion to the Pentagon next year.
- 12:32That is more than a 40 % year -over -year increase
- 12:35to the Pentagon's budget over the last budget.
- 12:38Now you might be wondering. What the fuck? I'm
- 12:42wondering that too. The White House put out a
- 12:44budget proposal that has 1 .5 trillion dollars
- 12:47for what they're calling the Department of War,
- 12:49which, while accurate, is stupid. The budget
- 12:53proposal says that they'll use this money for
- 12:55things such as, quote, realigns and reforms to
- 12:58increase effectiveness, efficiency, and lethality.
- 13:03Which is totally how anyone in war has ever talked
- 13:08about anything. Of course, part of this is also
- 13:09to restock the munitions that we've been sending
- 13:12over to Iran to blow up girls schools, killing
- 13:15150 plus people, most of whom were children.
- 13:18Those missiles don't come cheap. How else are
- 13:20we going to stop Iranian children from getting
- 13:21an education? Now, this is just a budget proposal.
- 13:24Budget proposals from the White House are not
- 13:27policy. They don't say, this is what's happening.
- 13:29It's not like they're giving it to Congress and
- 13:31then Congress votes on that. It's more of a wish
- 13:33list. But Hegseth is going in front of Congress
- 13:35being like, nah, I need this, guys, for realsies.
- 13:37And it's for good reasons, not bad reasons. Thankfully,
- 13:40Congress is already a bit sus. That said, given
- 13:43that the White House is asking for $1 .5 trillion,
- 13:45Congress might settle for something closer to
- 13:48$3 or $4 trillion. We'll see. Because you got
- 13:50to be fiscally responsible. And you also got
- 13:52to make sure that we never invest in health care.
- 13:54Lightning RAM. The computer memory shortage has
- 13:57gotten so bad that scammers are now selling fake
- 13:59RAM. The US Department of Justice is once again
- 14:02harassing Kilmar Abrego -Garcia, this time trying
- 14:05to deport him to Liberia, yet another African
- 14:07country. This is despite Kilmar Abrego -Garcia
- 14:10already offering to self -deport to Costa Rica,
- 14:13and Costa Rica offering to take him. According
- 14:15to data aggregated by the Wall Street Journal,
- 14:17the job market sucks. I don't know if we needed
- 14:20to aggregate that data, actually. So it's a...
- 14:23It's not just you. Nintendo announced a new Star
- 14:26Fox game and the character designs have people
- 14:28on the internet sharing their opinions. Speaking
- 14:30of Nintendo games, there's a new unofficial Twilight
- 14:33Princess PC port that's like a direct port to
- 14:38computers, not just emulating. It adds a whole
- 14:40bunch of like enhancements and stuff to the game.
- 14:43Someone go check on the developer before Nintendo
- 14:45disappears though. And finally for today, Gemstone
- 14:48Miners in Myanmar unearthed an 11 ,000 karat
- 14:51ruby. That's about a 4 .8 pound ruby or 2 .2
- 14:55kilograms. I'll be sure to alert you when they
- 14:57find the Chaos Emeralds. Thank you so much for
- 14:59listening to today's episode of Stuff Keeps Happening.
- 15:01Head to skh .news for sources, bonus content,
- 15:04and a map to where I buried a slightly bigger
- 15:08ruby. My name is Endeavorance. We'll talk again
- 15:11soon. Take care and be well.