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Healing Fibromyalgia, IBS, Migraines? #6 Dr. Steve LaTulippe · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

• 0:24
  Well, I've been struggling with IBS, irritable bowel syndrome for probably most of my life, actually.
• 0:30
  I think when I first discovered I had about 15, 16 years old.
• 0:34
  And then over the last year, it really was kicking me down here.
• 0:38
  And uh so we'll talk a little bit about that and talk about central pain.
• 0:41
  And I never really looked at this as central pain, by the way, but Dr.
• 0:45
  Steve Latulip tells me it is exactly that.
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  And he wrote a book on it as well.
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  We'll talk about today here.
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  Welcome into the broadcast, my fellow Americans.
• 0:53
  It is Malcolm Out Loud here, Project Out Loud.
• 0:56
  We got Dr.
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  Steve Latolip here.
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  And uh now, Steve is one of those unusual guys.
• 1:02
  He's a board-certified family medicine physician.
• 1:05
  He's a is a retired United States Air Force officer, and he's an ordained minister.
• 1:09
  And Steve, in all the times we've talked, and all the times I uh we've interviewed back and forth.
• 1:14
  How many times I tell you uh that uh do I brag on that point with you?
• 1:20
  Uh more than once, I'll say that all the time.
• 1:24
  Well, yes, not many people can say that.
• 1:27
  Not many people can say those three.
• 1:29
  I mean, if you think about it, it's a strange mixture, isn't it?
• 1:33
  No, but it's a nice mixture, it really is, and it really defines who you are as well, by the way, because you you wear so many unique cats in that way.
• 1:41
  Uh, that is very cool.
• 1:43
  But if you think about it, a lot of people would endeavor to be one of those things, and they'd spend their whole life being a okay, a board certified family medicine physician.
• 1:52
  That would be enough about any of us, and then or you know, a retired United States Air Force officer serve our great country, that would be uh a big deal for about any of us, or a an ordained minister, a pastor, um, who can speak the Bible and understand that would be a big deal for any of us, and you have all three, brother.
• 2:12
  Yeah, and a little experience in microbiology prior to that.
• 2:16
  So uh, but I've also done other things, hard labor in different ways, you know.
• 2:20
  I was a pipe fitter, I've done this and that.
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  So uh yeah, I'm eclectic.
• 2:25
  I like that.
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  I've done I've done it as well.
• 2:27
  I've done all those things.
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  I remember working uh in manufacturing when I was a kid, although I've been an entrepreneur, Steve, for probably since I was 18 years old.
• 2:37
  I've never looked back since.
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  But I I did I I guess you call it hard labor, hard hard labor.
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  I did that before 16, 17, 18, 19.
• 2:46
  You know, it's a good lesson to learn for everybody, it really is.
• 2:50
  Yeah, oh, it is.
• 2:51
  I mean, you could be the jack of all trades, but you you've you've done these really well.
• 2:55
  You've you've accomplished a great deal in your life here.
• 2:58
  So all right, let me jump into this IBS a minute here.
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  Uh I you didn't know I had this when we first met.
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  I mean, some years ago now, it's been a while.
• 3:07
  That's correct.
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  But you and frankly, I didn't know I have it because I forgot I didn't really focus on it much.
• 3:15
  But I go through you know what's weird about this for me, anyways.
• 3:18
  And I think if people can relate to this, I've gone through periods of my life where it's really acted up, and then I've gone through other dormant areas where it's settled down.
• 3:29
  Why is that?
• 3:31
  Um, it it's definitely stress-induced.
• 3:34
  And um the the point is with any central pain, it's a learned pain.
• 3:40
  So with IBS, you know, I think people can relate to it in the sense of being related to emotions, uh, for example, people talk about having a gut feeling, or you know, listen to your gut on this, that sort of thing.
• 3:54
  And that's very much a factor in it.
• 3:57
  Um, but when you're talking about pain, as with IBS or fibromyalgia, or migraine headaches, which are very common, um, they are a real physical pain.
• 4:08
  And that's something that a lot of people, uh, especially physicians, a lot of professionals don't recognize that these when you mention the word fibromalgia, they instantly are repelled from that because they think, my goodness, uh, this is all in the person's head.
• 4:25
  Uh, which if you want to get technical, it is very true because all pain, every type of pain originates in the brain.
• 4:33
  Yeah.
• 4:34
  Yeah.
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  But when it comes to uh the central pains, and I use that term to uh put into a category all pains that are derived from some kind of past emotional trauma.
• 4:48
  And I have seen that to be universal in the treatment of every kind of central pain.
• 4:55
  So with IBS, when you know, you say, well, how come it's on and off?
• 5:00
  Well typically once you learn uh, so to speak, how to have a certain type of pain like fibromyalgia like IBS, um, you're actually you you have trained your brain to misbehave, and the brain is connected to the rest of the body.
• 5:15
  So depending on the circumstances of your past emotional trauma, it may trigger certain things, like migraines like IBS.
• 5:26
  So with IBS, um, if you're under severe acute stress, it's gonna persist.
• 5:32
  Let me stop you there a minute.
• 5:33
  Let me stop you there.
• 5:34
  Uh when you say what causes IBS, it's one of the things I'm when you say stress.
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  So we're talking nerves, fear, stress.
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  Is that that is the core uh spark of IBS?
• 5:46
  Is that it?
• 5:47
  Yes, yes, it's uh it it originates from an emotional traumatic event.
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  It's not from uh physical stress, right?
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  It's not from anything that is uh requires endurance or this, that but is it is an emotional stress that is not processed, not resolved in the normal way of things, such as with a you know, a physical healing, if you cut your finger or bruise your thumb or something like that, there's a healing process that takes place, it takes a certain amount of time, and then you're over it.
• 6:22
  Same thing with emotional uh what about a lifestyle stress?
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  Uh, you you said an event.
• 6:27
  I just want to clarify something here.
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  You said uh stress from an event or some situation in your life, some horrific uh PTSD kind of thing, maybe I don't know.
• 6:35
  But what about some people are more stressed than others as a regular deal, but what about um uh just lifestyle stress?
• 6:42
  Does that can that cause IBS?
• 6:45
  Absolutely it can.
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  For example, if you're raised uh in a dysfunctional family of some sort, as many people are, um, if you're under a constant stress all the time, where you're you're always being triggered, uh, and you know, you just in this fight or flight mode all the time.
• 7:04
  Right that can be enough to trigger.
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  If parents are drug addicts, if uh like my dad, he ruled with an iron fist, and he had a heart of gold, you know.
• 7:12
  But my neighborhood kids feared my dad, and so did I, and I lived with him, you know.
• 7:17
  I and I don't have IBS, and that's you know, why not?
• 7:21
  Well, we all have different ways of coping.
• 7:24
  Mechanisms of dealing with things, yeah.
• 7:26
  Yeah, that's right.
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  That's a coping mechanisms, I should call it.
• 7:29
  Yeah, all right.
• 7:29
  Before we go more with that IBS, and I'm just thinking back to my childhood a minute here, so we'll get into that in a moment here.
• 7:35
  What um, what about fibromyalgia?
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  Because that's the other big thing you talk about, and I remember reporting on this years ago, fibromyalgia.
• 7:43
  So tell people what is fibromyalgia.
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  Uh summary, what is it?
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  Well, fibromyalgia is what I would declare in a general way the same thing as any other central pain.
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  It is emotional pain gone bad.
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  In other words, someone is emotionally traumatized, and because of that emotional trauma, they process that.
• 8:03
  We we've got five senses, right?
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  Hearing, sight, so forth, smell, taste, touch, and our brain absorbs all that input from our sensory organs and makes sense of it, processes it, and that actually makes us who we are.
• 8:19
  Now, if we are put under severe pressure, emotional pressure, distressing pressure, so such as someone being raped, uh, or uh an abusive spouse or an abusive parent.
• 8:34
  Um, then it's ongoing, then now, like you're talking about, it becomes like a lifestyle stressor.
• 8:42
  And that becomes the emotional trauma that actually produces what I call limbic inflammation, and it is a theory, it is not fact, but it explains things.
• 8:55
  And when I talk about central pain theory, you know, we're taught a classic uh pain pathway in medical school.
• 9:02
  Every doctor is, and it's a four-step pathway that involves transduction, where you your uh receptors in in the skin, for example, will feel a burn, and then it conducts that pain uh signal up toward the brain, and in the course of that conduction, it can be modulated.
• 9:20
  And the final step is perception.
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  But with central pain, you just flip it over on its head, and that's the most simple way that I can describe it so that people understand it.
• 9:31
  You perceive something like emotional trauma, some emotional event, it impacts you, and your perception causes changes in the brain, and they are physical changes and functional changes.
• 9:45
  Uh, your synapses can rewire.
• 9:48
  So, this is some of this you're describing as fibromalgia as well.
• 9:52
  Oh, yes, it applies to fibromyalgia as well.
• 9:55
  I'm blown away by that.
• 9:56
  I did not know that.
• 9:57
  So you're saying it really, these two things are inner.
• 10:00
  Connected.
• 10:01
  Oh, absolutely.
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  And that is why that is why the current dogma in Western medicine is that all of these syndromes, fibralgae, uh, fibromyalgia, IBS, uh, complex regional pain syndrome, they are so-called incurable.
• 10:17
  And that's a bunch of nonsense.
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  It's a myth.
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  And I say that because it just has to be.
• 10:21
  I let me ask you this.
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  Do what with my case here, would I have possibly had fibromyalgia?
• 10:27
  Is that part of this equation?
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  Or absolutely not?
• 10:28
  How would I how would I know?
• 10:30
  No, absolutely, you would.
• 10:33
  How would you know?
• 10:34
  Well, you probably wouldn't because you know, you can't you can't go uh on the internet and Google central pain and come up with this stuff because it's it's not known, it's not accepted, it's incurable.
• 10:47
  And you go to all these websites, they cannot even define these syndromes because they don't know what it is.
• 10:54
  And how when you're talking nerves fear stress, that can also relate to fibromyalgia, though.
• 10:59
  Absolutely.
• 11:00
  Okay, absolutely.
• 11:01
  So that's interesting.
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  And so that's why I hear a lot of people uh say they never knew they had it, the fibromyalgia that is, or there's a it's a real weird kind of thing.
• 11:14
  It's almost like you say undetected, unknown, you don't really know, and that's kind of what you're saying, I guess.
• 11:20
  It is, it is it is just it's poorly understood by patients who suffer from it and by physicians, and uh physicians, uh, many of them because they don't understand the the first thing they think is oh no, not another fibro patient.
• 11:36
  Uh yeah, well, because well, it's hard to it's not a normal right, it's not one you can put your finger on and say that's it kind of thing.
• 11:43
  So it probably creates a lot more work for them, Steve.
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  I would imagine, right?
• 11:46
  Well, it does.
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  Well, and and how can you possibly treat anything that you don't understand?
• 11:51
  For example, if you have IBS, ultimately you're gonna get to the gastroenterologist, and he's gonna do the best thing he can for you because you know, you've come to him with pain, GI pain.
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  It must be a GI disorder.
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  Well, it's not, and it is a functional disorder.
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  That's another problem because in Western medicine, we need evidence, we need labs, we need diagnostics like cat scans, MRIs, uh various studies, invasive studies, and all of those studies should be normal with central pain because it is emotionally derived.
• 12:32
  It's emotional pain that is actually transformed into real physical pain.
• 12:39
  So, how we live our lives, uh the way we conduct our lives, the way we internalize things or deal with stress in various ways, or whether we have the right coping mechanism or not, um relationships, like you say, family relationships when you're younger, maybe uh spousal relationships later, other types of things, all of these I would imagine are conditions that would bring on this fibromalgia or IBS or SU qualify all the central pain.
• 13:12
  Is that fair?
• 13:13
  Yes, that is right, and there's actually uh a little bit of a rhyme to the to the madness or method to it.
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  Uh, there is what I call a central pain cascade.
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  For example, say you take um a uh a young adolescent who is sexually abused.
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  The first thing that she will tell me is that she developed migraines, uh, just severe migraines after the physical trauma, the sexual abuse.
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  If the abuse goes on, or if she is unable to resolve the emotional damage done by that event, and it still affects her in a really adverse way, then she will develop next irritable bowel syndrome.
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  And if it persists and gets worse, uh and worse, then next comes fibromyalgia.
• 14:01
  That's not a hard and fast rule, uh, but I've seen that.
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  And then after that comes maybe uh bladder pain syndrome, female pelvic pain, uh, and uh a few other things uh that could be related to that.
• 14:15
  And I get into that in my book, it's complicated.
• 14:18
  Uh, and this is just based on observations of thousands of patients over more than two decades, where I figured out like what's going on, because you're saying it's incurable, and I thought, you know, we got to be missing something here, and I think I figured it out.
• 14:34
  Well, and that's what you told me when we started talking about this a little bit, because uh, you know, uh, for folks who don't know, I mean, Steve is a dear friend of mine as well.
• 14:42
  So we talk all the time.
• 14:43
  We talk on the phone, we're talking back and forth, and uh, and we were talking about this problem, and I'm not one that typically brings my problems.
• 14:52
  I don't, I'm very private with my problems, and I don't share them with the world or share them with my friends either.
• 14:58
  Uh, I just don't.
• 15:00
  Uh and uh I see other people do that, they bring all of their stuff with them all the time.
• 15:05
  I tend not to do that.
• 15:07
  Um, but there's a learning process in a lot of these things, and part of what I like to do on this program is bring some of these things out if we can, and that'll help other people, and that's the key to this thing, so we can help other people.
• 15:21
  There's a lot I never knew about this and growing up, but Steve, when I first had this, I I have to dial it back, and let me do that with you now because I want to get into these.
• 15:31
  There are seven strategies to train the brain.
• 15:34
  I do want to talk about in a moment here because you talked a lot to me.
• 15:36
  You said Malcolm, we have to retrain your brain, and I was hearing you, and I kind of knew what that meant just by what you were saying, because uh what in my world, what I would say as a speaker, as a radio guy would have you, it's uh, and I as a positive thinker, Steve, is putting mind over matter in my world, mind over matter.
• 15:56
  So you you take control of the situation, the environment, whatever it is.
• 16:00
  I I usually reference this as I don't like you've heard me say this before, I know you have.
• 16:06
  I don't like negative energy, I don't play in that arena.
• 16:09
  I don't like people who bring that and and and to to the game of life, and so I I sort of push uh you Steve, I sort of push those people back.
• 16:19
  I don't connect with that, and and that's been through my whole life that has been that way where I don't uh connect with that those people.
• 16:27
  I tend to distance myself, and there are people, there are even, and I'm gonna on full confession, there are even some people on the platform here that I will not engage with.
• 16:39
  I have to be honest with you.
• 16:40
  If I'm gotta be honest, you gotta be honest that I would not engage with because I don't connect, I don't connect with that energy sphere they put out, it's very negative in my world the way they do things, so they have their own style, they have their own thing, whatever it is.
• 16:54
  But I'm I'm just admitting to you, I don't do well in that.
• 16:57
  So when I was a kid, I ended up in the hospital, Steve, at about oh I was 15, 15, 16.
• 17:04
  I think I was just before 16, so I know it's about 15 or so, and I was having a lot of pain, a lot of trouble.
• 17:11
  Well, they never said fibromalgia, but they said IBS, you had irritable bottle syndrome, and frankly, you're on the verge of having ulcers.
• 17:17
  Now, what is the difference between I'll get back to that part, but what is the difference?
• 17:21
  An IBS versus a straight-out ulcer is one lead to the next, or vice versa.
• 17:27
  Well, you know, yeah, you're um you're dealing with two different problems.
• 17:32
  Uh it was once believed that stress, emotional stress was the number one cause of peptic ulcers, duodenal or gastric ulcers, uh, until uh a physician came along in the 1980s and discovered helicobacter pylori and said, Hey, no, you know, this bug is associated with ulcers, uh, stress, they used to call them stress ulcers, and certainly you can hypersecrete acid hydrochloric acid in the stomach when you're really stressed out, uh, it alters uh gut motility and so forth.
• 18:08
  But uh, but they're two separate things.
• 18:11
  Um, irritable bowel syndrome, uh, you know, you everybody who every kid that I've seen who came to me with IBS undiagnosed has had a an upper scope and endoscopy, you know, they've had the colonoscopy, and when you do those things, I mean, if you keep investigating, you're gonna come up with these uh incidental ohmas, as we call them, just incidental findings that have nothing to do with the real problem.
• 18:37
  It's like, oh, we just saw this.
• 18:39
  Well, since we found this, let's treat that.
• 18:41
  But of course, if you're not treating the real problem, then you know you're never gonna heal them.
• 18:46
  And so this is why so many of the patients over time, um, just because that is not understood, the origin of the pain, uh, they never get to the the healing of it.
• 18:59
  You have to get to the real problem in order to fix it.
• 19:03
  You cannot possibly effectively treat something that you do not understand, right?
• 19:08
  So can I BS lead to a full-out ulcer situation where you have ulcers or bleeding ulcers or any of that stuff?
• 19:16
  No, no, thank you.
• 19:17
  No, it that's what I heard you say.
• 19:19
  That's what I heard you say.
• 19:21
  It is a functional disorder.
• 19:22
  Now, that said, it is a stress disorder, if you will, at its origin, right?
• 19:29
  Okay, can stress do bad things?
• 19:31
  Absolutely.
• 19:32
  You know, people get have more cancer, uh, more heart disease, but ulcers are more mechanical where they're not in your brain.
• 19:40
  That's correct.
• 19:41
  With regard to the origin, yes, right.
• 19:44
  That's what I'm hearing.
• 19:45
  That's what I'm hearing.
• 19:46
  Right.
• 19:47
  Okay, so that's a way to say it, I guess.
• 19:48
  I I never really realized in fact, the the physician who discovered H.
• 19:53
  Pylori, Barry, he's um he he couldn't get anybody to believe him what he was saying about this.
• 20:00
  H.
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  pylori causing peptic ulcer disease.
• 20:03
  So he ingested H.
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  pylori and gave himself a real bad case of gastric ulcers.
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  And then he treated himself.
• 20:11
  There you go.
• 20:12
  All right.
• 20:12
  Interesting.
• 20:13
  Yeah.
• 20:13
  So I've learned a few things here already.
• 20:15
  And I didn't really understand that, but now I do I do get that with the ulcers.
• 20:20
  I mean, they're more mechanical in nature where something is really wrong that may need some treatment of different types.
• 20:25
  Whereas these others are a lifestyle that have um that have produced uh the way we think, the way we act, our lifestyle, our brains are impacted by it, and then they cause all kinds of pain through other means.
• 20:41
  That's fascinating.
• 20:42
  And yet the um the the ulcer.
• 20:45
  And we have the science to back that, by the way.
• 20:48
  Yeah.
• 20:48
  Um there's a new process that's been discovered with the glial cells, which were when I went through medical school, we were taught those are just structural cells, they don't have any other function.
• 21:00
  Well, that was false.
• 21:01
  The glial cells have all kinds of function, and we now have the concept of reactive astrogliosis or astrocytosis, and that is what induces the physical and the functional changes in the brain resulting from brain inflammation.
• 21:19
  And of course, when I say limbic inflammation, the limbic system is the emotional processing center of the brain, and um if that can be inflamed, and I suggest it can because we have inflammation in every other emotional and help me out here, but inflammation is a dirty word to the U.S.
• 21:40
  It is a dirty word, right?
• 21:41
  It is a dirty word.
• 21:42
  Yeah, all right.
• 21:43
  But it's been proven that even lack of sleep can induce brain inflammation.
• 21:49
  That's been well documented.
• 21:50
  Yeah, yeah.
• 21:51
  And then uh, we have the concept of neuroplasticity, uh, which actually has already shown that the brain literally can change its physical structure as well as its function or its physiology, right?
• 22:07
  Right, and therefore, if it can be trained to behave differently than the process of healing is and that's what you call a retrain of the brain, retraining the brain.
• 22:16
  So let we'll get into that here a little bit more in a sec here, but I I love this concept of retraining the brain for a lot of reasons.
• 22:22
  Uh, there's so many benefits that come from that for all of us, I think pretty much.
• 22:27
  Yeah, if we can do that throughout our lives at different chapters of our lives.
• 22:30
  So for me, I want to weave it back to that story.
• 22:33
  What so uh because I don't know what I did right or what I did wrong personally, Steve.
• 22:38
  But as a kid, I uh I internalized all the pain around me.
• 22:43
  I did not have a good relationship with my father at all.
• 22:46
  Uh I don't think you did either, did you?
• 22:48
  Uh it was rough.
• 22:49
  It was rough because I said he was an iron fist, and he you told me before that.
• 22:53
  That's why I know that.
• 22:54
  Yeah, I knew you were.
• 22:56
  Yeah, yep.
• 22:56
  So we are common in that way, but yeah, I did not get along with him at all.
• 23:00
  Um, and it was very uncomfortable.
• 23:01
  And I had seven siblings, so I had five sisters and a brother, and um I just felt like I didn't fit into that family, that group.
• 23:09
  I just was I I kind of they used to tease me, I was adopted, and I really thought I was, uh, but I kind of didn't fit in.
• 23:16
  How many siblings you had, by the way?
• 23:18
  I have five siblings, six kids in our family.
• 23:20
  So we're similar in that way, and yeah, and so all right.
• 23:23
  So and I just think like you, uh, I in some ways I was different from the rest.
• 23:29
  And I said, I don't know why.
• 23:31
  But they call it a black sheep.
• 23:32
  I don't know what you call it, but in my I was such a black sheep.
• 23:35
  I mean, I don't know what you would what really how to term that, but I just didn't connect in on so many levels, and so as a kid, all this became very uncomfortable for me, very complicated, very you know, you're not grown, your brain hasn't fully developed.
• 23:49
  Um, I was always at odds with my dad.
• 23:52
  I had a good relationship with my mom.
• 23:55
  I got along well with mom, and that really irritated my dad more, actually, because I got along with my mom, so it really pissed him off more, and so he would take it out on me in many ways.
• 24:04
  I remember one time when I was about 15, 16, I had a fish tank in the bedroom, Steve.
• 24:09
  It's real story.
• 24:10
  I had like a like a 15-gallon, uh 15 to 20 gallon, whatever it is.
• 24:13
  You know, you have the fish tanks there, and that was popular when I was a kid and had all the fish and everything else.
• 24:18
  Well, I was away one time out for the day, whatever, and the fish tank somehow broke the glass cracked, and the water came out all over the floor on the carpet and the fish and everything else, and I wasn't home at all.
• 24:30
  Well, when I got back home and I seen it, I was devastated with it.
• 24:33
  My father came in and he blamed it all on me and and beat me up for the fist tank that broke that I had nothing to do with.
• 24:41
  I mean, what an ass, you know, and uh he really did that, and I thought, wow, and so we were always at odds from there on, and it got to a point when I was a young man where I wouldn't tolerate it anymore, so I would kind of push back on.
• 24:56
  I don't know if that happened with you or not, but I wouldn't tolerate it anymore from data.
• 25:00
  I pushed back on it, and I would uh and so you have to learn to cope back to coping mechanisms and how you do that, and I had to learn to cope with that.
• 25:10
  How I coped, Steve is I create a distance, I create resistance, which is uh you know, an effective coping mechanism, separate yourself from the problem, right?
• 25:23
  And that's kind of how I serve myself.
• 25:25
  I now I'm actually this is a good psychology uh lesson for me, actually, here right now, but uh right to sit with you because uh now I see why I am the way I am today as an adult.
• 25:35
  Uh, why I don't tolerate those people who annoyed the hell out of me, and I disengage them almost immediately.
• 25:41
  I just you know, my my idea is life is too short to deal with these jackasses, it's just too short, and I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna do it.
• 25:50
  Uh so and I like positive I like to have I like to have the positive energy.
• 25:54
  So I like and I always say to my kids, my you know, they say, you know, you're gonna be a product of who you're hanging with, who your life is.
• 26:01
  Positive people hang with positive people, they build their life on those metrics.
• 26:04
  Negative people hang with negative people, and they and they become eyesores, they become problematic, they become uh not disciplined well.
• 26:11
  I mean, they have problems in life of all types, so you don't want to do that, and so we go back and forth with this, and I tell the kids that all the time.
• 26:19
  So, and I said, be careful, be careful, you know.
• 26:21
  And and but I uh but I sometimes they would take it out of context because somebody might have other problems, and then they thought I was alluding to the other problems, and it's not so much that, but uh, you got to be careful in today's world of D DEI and and LGBTQIA and everything else, because then you're accused of all kinds of other things, right?
• 26:41
  But I'm just saying, I'm just saying, yeah, you've got that right, and I'm not any of that, so whatever live the life you want to live or do whatever it is.
• 26:52
  So I um um so I I learned to cope by pushing that away, and I disengaged from my dad at that point, who's not here anymore, anyways.
• 27:03
  Um not living, but and I also disengaged from my siblings as well, that I wasn't comfortable, but mom and dad are gone now, and I I don't have the uh rapport relationship, even in today's world with uh with those people.
• 27:16
  Um which is you know neither here.
• 27:18
  I you know, in you know, for me, Steve, I wish them well.
• 27:21
  I don't look at that, I don't carry that baggage with me in life.
• 27:24
  I don't think about it.
• 27:25
  I I really do wish I don't have any like hostile feelings toward them or anything.
• 27:29
  It's like whatever it is, it is uh everybody has to live their life.
• 27:34
  Does that make sense?
• 27:34
  I and is that what you I guess what you're saying is you've forgiven them.
• 27:39
  Uh let them live and you move on, live your life.
• 27:42
  If it's a toxic relationship, staying away from it is probably a good idea.
• 27:47
  Yeah, and you know, you actually exposed earlier why you probably developed IBS.
• 27:51
  You said I internalized all the problems, you know, initially, and then you said enough of this, and you started taking control of it, and that's such an important aspect of healing and training the brain.
• 28:03
  I became very entrepreneurial as a young man.
• 28:05
  I started to do different things, and I had a lot of success early on, and uh, and there were and there was a lot of jealousy within some of those people as well that became very problematic because you were re like you you like in your life, Steve, you were always reaching for the mountaintops, you know, you're always trying to get somewhere, like I was as a kid, but not everybody's doing that, not everybody's doing that, and they sort of look down at you.
• 28:31
  I believe this the way I see it, when you're doing that and they're not, they the the feeling I got is that they think they think that you think that you're better than them.
• 28:44
  Yes, yes, it's on kind of a uh perhaps a jealousy or uh when you're around, they feel inadequate, and you can throw in all kinds of other stuff like sibling rivalry or whatever, but but yeah, I think you pretty much hit it on the head.
• 29:00
  So I mean, so we so now that I see that mean we really do have that in common, very interesting.
• 29:05
  And now, did you ever have anything close to IBS or fibermelge or anything else that was related to that area at all in your life, please?
• 29:12
  No, I did not, I knew nothing about it.
• 29:15
  I never had migraines, no, you never had pain of that kind or problems with your stomach digestive tract.
• 29:21
  Well, that really irritates the hell out of me.
• 29:23
  You know that you have had me tell you what I did.
• 29:25
  I coped as well, and the way I coped is I kind of lived in the woods.
• 29:30
  I grew grew up in Rhode Island, we had ponds all over the place.
• 29:34
  I lived at the ponds catching frogs and turtles and snakes and bringing all the stuff home.
• 29:40
  I just I escaped it in that way, and I took it when I had to take it.
• 29:46
  Um, but I didn't like it.
• 29:48
  But I just minimized my exposure to the extent that I felt I I needed to.
• 29:54
  Yeah, wow, wow, and I did not internalize it, you know.
• 29:58
  I mean, I was a very physical.
• 30:00
  Active kid.
• 30:01
  I was I was I guess I got it out in some ways, you know.
• 30:04
  You must have.
• 30:04
  I was too.
• 30:05
  I played, I played baseball.
• 30:06
  I started with Sandlot ball, played it through school.
• 30:09
  I wanted to be a professional ball player, is what I wanted to do in my youth.
• 30:12
  And uh I remember I got and I really that was a dream of mine, but I got caught up in other things in life and entrepreneurs.
• 30:18
  I was very good at baseball.
• 30:19
  I would pitch or play center center field, and I was very much would watch baseball all the time as a kid.
• 30:25
  And I remember when I got to about 35 years old, I'll tell you real quickly.
• 30:30
  But you know, sports was always cool, but I realized later on as I was entrepreneurial.
• 30:34
  If you invest a lot of time into following sports as a sports person, you're not going to make money with it.
• 30:39
  And it takes a lot of your time up if you become an avid fan.
• 30:42
  So I let a lot of it go that I don't follow anymore because I didn't have the time for it anymore in my life.
• 30:48
  But I got to about my 30s, mid-30s, 35, 36.
• 30:51
  And my wife says to me, she knew I always had the desire to as I love baseball, you know.
• 30:56
  And she said to me, you know, you should try out for the baseball.
• 30:59
  She I was out because I would play and play, I would still play some ball when I was, you know, that age and be doing that.
• 31:05
  I was very athletic, still, you know.
• 31:06
  They say, you know, you should really try out.
• 31:08
  I said, honey, I said, I'm in my upper 30s now.
• 31:10
  I said, I cannot try out for professional baseball.
• 31:13
  She says to for this is really really happened.
• 31:15
  She says, Yeah, yeah, you can.
• 31:17
  She says, You can do anything.
• 31:18
  She said, You can do it.
• 31:20
  Right.
• 31:20
  Oh, yeah.
• 31:21
  I said, Honey, they're retiring at my age.
• 31:23
  Many of them are already done at my age, unless they're really a superstar, and lucky to get to 40 if they're really, really good.
• 31:30
  But that's like that's like a Cario Strunski, number eight, who would get to you know that that's like you know, the the last triple crown winner in 1967 that won the triple crown.
• 31:40
  Nobody's done it since then.
• 31:41
  That would be Yastremsky, one of my one of my uh one of my idols that I loved as a kid.
• 31:46
  No, as many others, yeah.
• 31:48
  And he was a big change.
• 31:49
  What's that?
• 31:50
  He was a big name.
• 31:52
  Oh, yeah.
• 31:53
  There were a lot more like him, but I mean he was one of the big names, and uh number eight, number eight, left-hander, uh, remarkable guy.
• 32:01
  And um, but but anyway, she really said that to me.
• 32:04
  And I thought, oh my golly.
• 32:06
  I said, No, I can't play baseball at this point in life, anyways.
• 32:08
  I don't know why I that I remember that story, but it's one of those stories where your your wife has that confidence in you, which is a good thing, and it really does.
• 32:16
  It's a very good thing.
• 32:17
  And she does think I can do anything.
• 32:18
  She whatever I if I'm gonna set my mind to it, she does.
• 32:21
  She never questions a Steve.
• 32:23
  She'll say, Okay, you got a lot on your plate, but let's do it.
• 32:28
  She believes in you, she does, and we have that back and forth a little bit.
• 32:32
  Uh, and we've been together a lot of years, so there you go.
• 32:36
  All right, you know, I let me read this quick dedication that Steve has in the book.
• 32:40
  Steve, the the title on the book again.
• 32:42
  Give me the title of the book, please.
• 32:44
  The title of the book is Pain Free and Living Again, how to heal fibromyalgia, IBS, migraines, and other mystery pain syndromes.
• 32:54
  Migrains are another part of that.
• 32:56
  That's right.
• 32:56
  That's right.
• 32:56
  Of central pain, yep, yep, yep.
• 32:58
  And a lot of people go through life too with very severe problems of migraines, and never get a never get an answer, never get anything.
• 33:07
  I know people like that, and they just never have done this.
• 33:10
  So, Steve, you come along, and then you said to me when I was really struggling in the past few months, it all of a sudden it had a real hit on me.
• 33:19
  And you kind of said, Well, something's triggering it.
• 33:22
  And we kind of both looked at each other and said, uh, it may be it may be that event, Malcolm.
• 33:27
  You jumped off on and did, or maybe so.
• 33:30
  I'm just being real.
• 33:31
  You said it could be something else.
• 33:32
  I really, you know, I didn't really have any other big central point going on.
• 33:35
  You thought it might be that.
• 33:37
  Uh, and uh, I don't know, but then you said to me, Take what is it called doxicilla doxiclamine.
• 33:44
  Disaclamine, thank you.
• 33:46
  I I meant to bring the bottle, I've got it in the other room.
• 33:48
  Disochlamine, I meant to bring it in to hold the bottle up, but anyways, disocchlamine, and you said um take I think it was 20 milligrams of that.
• 33:56
  I was uh yeah, I my standard was 10 to 20 milligrams once or twice a day, six hours apart, first dosing in the morning tip.
• 34:05
  Yep, yep, yep.
• 34:05
  Yeah, and of course, I walk as you know, I walk five miles uh in the day.
• 34:09
  Um, most listeners know that by now that I I walk every day.
• 34:12
  In fact, I'm on um pretty pretty uh I'm I'm on uh to today.
• 34:17
  Uh I'm I think I'm on 340 something.
• 34:20
  Oh wow, coming up on 350 here.
• 34:22
  Uh coming up on a year.
• 34:25
  Uh the streak lives, the streak lives.
• 34:28
  And um, so uh so I do that and I take the disocchlamine.
• 34:33
  Uh I don't know why it's kind of habit.
• 34:34
  I'll take a drink of juice and I take the pill disocchlumin easy, and I just it's habit, you know, kind of thing, and I go uh do my walk, whatever.
• 34:41
  And because I don't normally eat before then or whatever, and then uh, and that's been real good.
• 34:45
  What um we'll we'll tell people what that does a little bit here.
• 34:49
  I'll get we'll get back to that.
• 34:50
  Don't let me forget the disocchlumy, so we could tell folks what is, but that really was really really helpful.
• 34:54
  And what and it was Steve who told me about that from the book, by the way, that I called my doctor and said, Okay, doc, I need to get this because of this, this, and this.
• 35:04
  And I thought he'd give me some grief back.
• 35:05
  I thought I was gonna have to kick his ass a minute because I thought he'd say, Well, I can't do it.
• 35:09
  You know how they're all they all got such egos.
• 35:11
  I thought he'd say, Well, I can't do that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 35:15
  And I was not in the mood.
• 35:16
  I was not it.
• 35:17
  That would not have gone well for Mr.
• 35:18
  Outloud.
• 35:19
  And luckily, he didn't do that, and I didn't have to go there, which was really, really nice.
• 35:24
  And uh, so he did prescribe it, and I got that.
• 35:28
  And then you talked about retraining the brain, and that's something I want to really talk to you all about.
• 35:33
  Uh, I spend some time and as we go through this, because I think that's the real key to this.
• 35:37
  And there are seven strategies to retrain the brain that I think are very, very helpful.
• 35:43
  And again, in my world, I call it mind of a matter, but it's what we do, and friends, how we live, who we are as people, and uh what the conscious decisions we make or don't make are so important for all of us that are gonna lead us to a happy and healthy, fulfilled life or not.
• 36:04
  And it really is our choice.
• 36:06
  There's no doubt in it is our choice, whether we make that.
• 36:10
  I mean, life is short, so you got you got up, you got paths in front of you, and you have to make the conscious decision whether you're gonna take this path and go there, or whether you're gonna be aggravated and take all these other paths, and it's something we all have to kind of live with and figure out what our path is.
• 36:27
  Um, I have a different way of doing these things now, but I went through a lot of years of struggling where IBS would surface.
• 36:35
  And so when Steve told me this idea, he said, You got to read the book.
• 36:39
  He said, read these chapters quickly, bing at a bing it a bingity bing.
• 36:42
  He said, Certain chat, I get them all marked off in the book.
• 36:44
  The book, by the way, is on the bookshelf behind me, right here.
• 36:47
  Okay, uh, pain free.
• 36:49
  And so I started reading uh those chapters.
• 36:52
  He said, Read these real quick, um, and then take the disoclamine and then get your shit together.
• 37:00
  Not necessarily in that order, but it was pretty close.
• 37:03
  Yeah, and uh, so I I did all of those things, and uh, and it actually I it's been marvelous.
• 37:12
  Uh people ask me all the time, now that's my favorite word marvelous.
• 37:15
  People say, How are you doing today?
• 37:16
  When you call up and you talk to me on the phone and say, How are you doing?
• 37:18
  Malcolm is going to say, Marvelous.
• 37:20
  That's my word, uh, marvelous.
• 37:22
  And I did feel marvelous, actually.
• 37:24
  Uh, because sometimes the pain would be so bad I'd have to lie on my stomach to put pressure on my stomach to get rid of the pain, which I hate that.
• 37:32
  And sometimes I would be in an office building and I would have to do that on the floor of the office, Steve.
• 37:37
  Do you know that?
• 37:37
  The pain was that bad.
• 37:39
  Is that is that is that common or not common?
• 37:41
  Is that uh yeah, it can uh yeah, the spasm uh can be real strong.
• 37:47
  Uh Malcolm, uh you let me throw something in here.
• 37:50
  You have forgotten, I think.
• 37:52
  What uh we had been talking about this on and off for a while.
• 37:55
  Yeah, the IBS.
• 37:56
  I finally said, you know, after listening to you, it's like you got IBS, Malcolm.
• 38:01
  You did, and I said, and I suggested to you, hey, you know, whenever you decide you want to, we can make this go away.
• 38:08
  We can hear you did say that, no, and I said it with confidence because I had done it so many times that I know that I can treat IBS and make it go away.
• 38:17
  And that's the first step in the seven strategies is learning self-employed empowerment.
• 38:23
  Yeah, yeah.
• 38:24
  And it begins at the very first moment that someone tells you, I understand what's going on, and we can heal this, we can make it absolutely go away.
• 38:34
  Once you buy into that, you're a self-you did do all of that now, and I didn't forget that at all, but thank you for uh breaking that down a little bit in the way that you just did.
• 38:43
  That was really good.
• 38:44
  And the thing about it is, let me tell you something.
• 38:48
  As long as I've known you, Dr.
• 38:49
  Steve Lato.
• 38:51
  Um you uh are a truth teller, always a truth teller, and even to your own demise sometimes.
• 39:00
  Like me, like me.
• 39:01
  So we call it the out loud truth here on the network, and uh sometimes it gets us in trouble, right?
• 39:07
  Steve, yeah.
• 39:08
  I sometimes call it uh the uh you love getting hit over the head uh syndrome, taking a beating.
• 39:16
  You love getting hit over the head, take a beating.
• 39:18
  All right, cool.
• 39:19
  That's my out loud truth, uh, part of the out loud brand.
• 39:23
  And Steve, of course, is the host of Unity Without Compromise on the network here uh on the weekends, and um uh is remarkable the the work he has done and what he brings to the table here of all of this, huh, Steve?
• 39:38
  You know, uh it's been fun, it's been incredible.
• 39:41
  Yeah, so Steve, we would be talking, and you would say that, but I also was listening to you and the learn self empowerment.
• 39:50
  I knew that if you were saying that, I knew it had to be true, Steve.
• 39:56
  I knew it had to be true when you told me that, and you told me to do this.
• 40:00
  And this, and it was the clarity in your voice.
• 40:02
  Now, what was really weird about all this, honestly, is that Steve was just writing this.
• 40:08
  I had no idea about the book, really, and the detail that it would hit my own life.
• 40:11
  I have no idea.
• 40:12
  None, zero.
• 40:14
  And I mean, talk about things aligning.
• 40:17
  Think, and I thought about this a bit.
• 40:19
  I really have thought about this.
• 40:21
  That's why I wanted to have Steve on and do this program, which I knew I was going to do this program with him early, early on here.
• 40:26
  And I want to help other people, and I want to teach other people.
• 40:30
  And this will be the first visit of many others, Steve and I will have on these kinds of topics.
• 40:33
  I'm certain on this broadcast.
• 40:36
  But I really thought a lot about it.
• 40:38
  And I thought for that to come into my life at this time where Steve was doing this book, which would help really spotlight some of these things.
• 40:46
  So what I'm saying is it empowers you back to his point of learn self-empowerment.
• 40:51
  You better believe you have to empower yourself to do that.
• 40:55
  And you have to, and many times you have to remind yourself.
• 40:58
  You have to remind yourself.
• 41:00
  And it is mind over matter.
• 41:01
  And again, I tell my kids all the time, positive energy, pull it into your life, and then commit to something and tell yourself you're going to follow through.
• 41:09
  Anyways, that's the key in my world of how you do this thing.
• 41:12
  Now, as we uh so let me pause a moment here.
• 41:16
  Now, when I say pause a moment, we don't go to any on this on Project Out Loud, it's a little different than other programs.
• 41:21
  We're not going off to breaks or doing other things, going to stay right here with you.
• 41:25
  But I do want to invite you to America Outloud.shop.
• 41:28
  And it's because it's we're all of our uh uh partnerships.
• 41:33
  I call them partnerships because they're not just advertiser sponsorships, they're really our friends, actually, because they everybody in my world becomes a friend because I only deal with positive people, I don't deal with others.
• 41:45
  So they all become people I admire, people I love, people I respect.
• 41:48
  And that is the blessing of this network, to be real with you.
• 41:52
  And if there's a the biggest blessing of everything I do every day is the people I get to work and play with.
• 41:59
  I I just can't even tell you.
• 42:01
  It's like a pot of gold to be able to work with such incredible people.
• 42:06
  And I've got it on all walks of life, and it's just truly amazing.
• 42:10
  Um it's crazy.
• 42:12
  It's crazy.
• 42:12
  Sometimes I have to pinch myself to think that you know I have that blessing to be able to do this.
• 42:18
  It's been the gift of a lifetime, honest to God.
• 42:21
  I'm I tweeted you and I've had some interesting things in my life, but this is this is the cherry on top kind of thing.
• 42:27
  And it's good because I'm at the pinnacle of my life now where I'm on top of everything in my life, you know, where you you know what I mean, when it really comes together and the rubber meets the road, and you feel man, I can do pretty much anything I want to do, except play baseball at this age of my life.
• 42:42
  But that's my wife would say, right?
• 42:44
  So, although I could play sandlot ball and do some of that, you bet I could run and yeah, just have to keep up a little bit here.
• 42:51
  But I can do it, I could do it.
• 42:52
  Um, America Out Loud.shop was something we started many years ago, as we now uh have approaching our 10-year anniversary here in uh the birth of this network here.
• 43:03
  It's incredible.
• 43:04
  Um we launched it 2016, and here we are, 2026.
• 43:09
  So it's pretty wild.
• 43:11
  And um, we created these great relationships and partnerships, and they're all in there.
• 43:15
  So use the code out loud, but there are a lot of great products in there that can help you along the way with all of those sites where you click there.
• 43:22
  There's a lot of studies and research and backdrop information.
• 43:26
  They a lot of these people, they're like clear the nasal hygiene products and all that.
• 43:31
  They that's all first class.
• 43:32
  Nathan Jones is the uh principal of that, and this is this product is first class, and uh, and I use the I love I love clear nasal.
• 43:42
  I use it like you wash your hands, I use it every day, and that is a fact.
• 43:46
  It's right on my right with all my other toiletries and stuff.
• 43:49
  And I just said you're squirt up that nostril, that nostril, and inhale and clears up the nostrils, and it helps, and you do that routinely.
• 43:58
  Um, but you do it every day, and so I recommend clear and then uh, but take a look at some of the other products in there, the beer bar, the uh the wellness company is amazing, mason products, and these are great partnerships we've been able to create.
• 44:10
  And so I I invite you in there.
• 44:12
  Use code out loud, get the family discount.
• 44:14
  We've negotiated all those discounts in there for you.
• 44:16
  So, anyways, that's my point there today.
• 44:18
  Uh, the other thing I want to tell you about real quick before we get to the seven strategies that Steve Le Tulip is here with Nashville, Tennessee.
• 44:25
  I'm gonna take just a moment here, and Steve, let's talk about this real quickly.
• 44:29
  I want you involved in it.
• 44:30
  But uh, July 2nd, 3rd, and 4th.
• 44:32
  Steve was one of the ones who uh helped factor into my decision uh to do this.
• 44:38
  He he's been really uh terrific, helpful, and there's been a few others that I've really leaned on to think is this the right time and for us to do this because it's been a lot of requests over the years, and but we felt with us coming in at our 10 year and our great nation at 250 years.
• 44:55
  This would be the moment.
• 44:56
  Uh, America Out Loud 25010 Nashville is what it's called, and it's gonna be at the uh the Grand Sheraton, the Marriott Pro property, downtown Nashville, entertainment, education, phenomenal panel discussions, unique things.
• 45:13
  We have an incredible uh it's about 25 or so right now.
• 45:17
  Uh speakers and uh panelists and just amazing people.
• 45:21
  Um, they're all uh, in fact, there's a new site we have, Steve.
• 45:25
  Uh, there's a new quicker website you can get there now, and it's called um uh is called here.
• 45:32
  We go, America 250 Nashville.com.
• 45:36
  America, we got that site, if you can believe it.
• 45:39
  America 250 Nashville.com, 250, of course, America 250 Nashville.com.
• 45:46
  You can also just click Nashville in the menu back at the site there.
• 45:49
  What do you think about this event, brother?
• 45:51
  America 250 Nashville.
• 45:53
  What are you thinking on it?
• 45:54
  Well, Malcolm, it is a just a major event in our history, and we're blessed to be living in this time with all its troubles and all its woes.
• 46:06
  We also can look back and say, wow, we did it, we survived two and a half centuries.
• 46:12
  And I think it's something, you know, it was uh these are hard times for a lot of people in a lot of ways, uh, emotionally, financially, and otherwise.
• 46:23
  And uh, I could include myself in some of those uh aspects, but I'm telling you, I would not miss this event.
• 46:31
  And as soon as uh you said you were gonna do it, I said, Well, yeah, I tried not to pressure you, but I said, if you do it, I'm all in.
• 46:40
  And uh, and I was, and I signed up very early on, and um I think it's something that if we don't participate actively somehow in the celebration of our country, we are short-changing ourselves in some way.
• 46:55
  I mean, a lot of people go on vacations here.
• 46:58
  Um, and and maybe some people don't because of the circumstances that we're living in right now, but you know, it really they're excuses in some way.
• 47:07
  I think that we have an opportunity to get to just get together and say we're a brotherhood.
• 47:14
  Let's celebrate it.
• 47:15
  Let's first and foremost make this a celebration of our freedom that God has given us.
• 47:20
  Let's rejoice in it, and let's build each other up and encourage each other.
• 47:25
  And so I have nothing but praise for it.
• 47:27
  I think it's gonna be just a fun time and a very rewarding time for all of us.
• 47:33
  Okay, here we're talking to Dr.
• 47:34
  Steve Latolip here, and um uh jump more back into this uh this uh pain factor here.
• 47:41
  I want to talk to you about the uh the the steps here, seven strategies to retrain your brain.
• 47:46
  When you first said to me, retrain your brain, Steve.
• 47:48
  I started to think, okay, how do you really do that?
• 47:51
  We talked about number one learn self-empowerment here.
• 47:55
  But let's give the quick there's seven great point points here, and they all kind of play into a lot of the things I've touched on a little bit of, but let me give you the floor and tell us how from a physician from your standpoint.
• 48:08
  Now that we know migraines, fibromyalgia, IBS, all of this is central pain that is born on to impact our brains in ways that are not good for us, and that there are things we can do to take that control back in our lives.
• 48:24
  Go ahead, Steve.
• 48:25
  How do we do it?
• 48:26
  How do we retrain the brain?
• 48:27
  Well, I talk about it initiating as step number two.
• 48:30
  After once you believe that you actually have the power, you get the power that God has given you in your brain to uh to be able to have a say in your life.
• 48:41
  And uh, once you understand that, and once you have someone that says, 'Yes, this is healable, it is curable.' Don't believe the party line.
• 48:51
  Well, when you get that at that point, then I suggest step number two, initiate some uh essential lifestyle changes.
• 48:59
  And we got a lot of people talking about some good stuff with this with regard to nutrition.
• 49:04
  Uh, for example, now I could wax out eloquent on this and say all kinds of stuff, but it's very simple.
• 49:10
  Eat all the fruits and vegetables you want, get protein from any natural source, and don't be afraid of eating a little bit of fat and stay away from processed foods as much as possible.
• 49:23
  Let me jump in here quickly.
• 49:25
  Nutrition, sleep hygiene, and physical exercise is what Dr.
• 49:28
  Latootlip talks about right there.
• 49:30
  And I have to tell you, I understand all of those things.
• 49:33
  He talks about the packaged foods, he talks about the reprocessed foods, all that garbage we need to get away from.
• 49:39
  Uh, it's not healthy, it's not good for you.
• 49:41
  And that's the one thing RFK has spotlighted on.
• 49:44
  Yes, is you know, in a in a good way that he's at least woke a lot of people up at the very least, and put a spotlight on.
• 49:50
  You don't have to agree with everything, but there's a lot of good things that's come out of there.
• 49:53
  But having the proper sleep is very important.
• 49:55
  You have to be able to turn it off.
• 49:56
  For me personally, that's really really important.
• 49:58
  And eating the right things.
• 50:00
  And having the nutrition value is so important.
• 50:02
  You know, and walking, getting out walking is one of the best things you can do for yourself.
• 50:06
  Simple, simple things.
• 50:07
  Steve, it works, doesn't it?
• 50:08
  It works.
• 50:09
  Oh, it works.
• 50:09
  I used to always tell my patients if you want to live to 100 and be dancing when you get there, walk three to four miles a day.
• 50:18
  Most days of the week.
• 50:19
  Just something as simple as that is incredibly therapeutic.
• 50:23
  If you happen to do it with your spouse, I call it marriage counseling because you end up talking about things that you otherwise wouldn't do.
• 50:29
  And it's a very positive thing.
• 50:30
  We do it all the time.
• 50:31
  All the time.
• 50:32
  That's right.
• 50:32
  Yeah, that's good.
• 50:33
  I do it as well.
• 50:34
  Yeah.
• 50:35
  Okay.
• 50:36
  And then step three develop healthy coping mechanisms.
• 50:39
  We all have coping mechanisms.
• 50:42
  Uh, when people are stressed, the first thing what they most people want to reach for is something to help you to forget, like alcohol, drugs, and whatever.
• 50:51
  Um, and yeah, it will give you temporary relief, but the problem doesn't go away.
• 50:56
  There's ways to develop healthy coping mechanisms.
• 51:00
  One, for example, is just humor.
• 51:02
  Um, I think people tend to regard me as more serious than I actually am in my real life.
• 51:07
  I'm I'm a bit of a clown.
• 51:09
  I always have been.
• 51:10
  Um, but that's another coping mechanism.
• 51:13
  Uh, and I think it's a very good one.
• 51:15
  Uh, as the Bible says, medicine uh or laughter does good like medicine.
• 51:20
  And uh, so there's a lot of good coping skills you can get uh that will actually help you to overcome the emotional trauma.
• 51:28
  And then I talk about taking control of your mind and body, and you have to realize that that is a possibility too.
• 51:35
  If you want uh a great book to read, the brain that changes itself.
• 51:39
  This was written, uh I think back in 1973 or something like that, uh, by uh Norman Deutge.
• 51:46
  And uh incredible uh book that describes the power of the brain to heal itself, to change itself.
• 51:54
  You have control over that, so you have the ability also to take control of it and learn how it works.
• 52:01
  And I talked about uh perfectability, the concept of having a perfect standard.
• 52:08
  Doesn't mean uh perfectability is not perfection, it's having a perfect standard to strive for to better yourself, simply to better yourself, not to make yourself look better than anybody else, just to make you the best person you can be.
• 52:23
  And then step number five critical, practice calmness.
• 52:28
  Uh, people who are stressed out tend to become stressed out people, nervous people, edgy people.
• 52:34
  But like anything, practice makes perfect.
• 52:37
  The more you practice calmness, and I told my patients set an egg timer, 15 minutes, practice it.
• 52:43
  Once you can do it consistently, up the egg timer, the 30 minutes, practice it, fake it.
• 52:48
  You're on stage acting, but after a while, it becomes you.
• 52:53
  It becomes the real you and it's positively reinforcing because everybody loves living in a calm state.
• 52:59
  It has its own therapeutic benefits.
• 53:02
  Number six, practice induced extraversion.
• 53:05
  That means get your focus off yourself.
• 53:08
  Reach out to somebody else who needs help, who might benefit from your presence.
• 53:14
  And just sometimes the ministry of presence is all that people need who are suffering.
• 53:20
  Uh, but beware of toxic relationships, because that can be counterproductive.
• 53:25
  And that's why I include number seven set boundaries.
• 53:30
  That is crucially important.
• 53:32
  You have a right to protect yourself from every form of abuse.
• 53:37
  Doesn't mean you can't take an insult once in a while.
• 53:39
  It doesn't mean you can't ever receive criticism, but don't hang around people who simply want to destroy you, because ultimately they will if you allow it.
• 53:50
  And those are the seven uh rules that I have initiated with people to really drill down and train their brain.
• 54:01
  That book on the brain, uh, it's worth reading.
• 54:05
  It's worth reading, absolutely.
• 54:07
  Yeah, it's absolutely worth reading.
• 54:09
  The The Brain that uh changes itself by Norman Deutsche.
• 54:14
  Incredible.
• 54:15
  It talks about neuroplasticity.
• 54:17
  And that I that book was written quite a while ago.
• 54:19
  So it's gonna race been with us.
• 54:22
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:23
  And um, that book is still available, I take it.
• 54:26
  Um, you I'm sure you could pick up copies on eBay or whatever.
• 54:30
  It might still be in print.
• 54:31
  I'm not positive because I want to put it, I'm gonna put the um I want to put the uh link on try to get it on in the show notes here.
• 54:38
  You know what I mean?
• 54:39
  Yes.
• 54:39
  Um, I'm gonna uh give give me the name of the book one more time.
• 54:42
  I want to type it at right in uh Amazon.
• 54:44
  What is it?
• 54:45
  The brain that changes itself.
• 54:47
  The brain oh here it comes right up immediately.
• 54:50
  Right up immediately.
• 54:51
  Norman Deutsch.
• 54:52
  Oh, it is definitely available.
• 54:53
  And uh yeah, it's only a paperback is only nine 990.
• 54:57
  All right, too, super.
• 54:58
  I'm gonna put it in the America Outloud bookstore, Steve.
• 55:01
  Yeah, it's a good idea.
• 55:02
  Very excellent.
• 55:03
  Oh, I love it.
• 55:03
  Love the cover of it.
• 55:04
  Yep.
• 55:04
  Norman Numman Dodge.
• 55:06
  And it's written in a way that anybody can understand it.
• 55:09
  You don't have to be a scientist or medical doctor to get what he's saying.
• 55:13
  He did a lot of work with uh phantom limb pain and syndrome and things like that.
• 55:18
  Incredible.
• 55:19
  If you're not convinced that how powerful your brain is, you need to read that.
• 55:23
  Yeah, that's cool.
• 55:24
  That's cool.
• 55:25
  That is really cool.
• 55:26
  For the and yeah, it's uh it's definitely available still here.
• 55:29
  427 pages, the brain that changes itself, Normantage.
• 55:33
  New York Times bestseller, by the way.
• 55:35
  Wow.
• 55:35
  All right.
• 55:36
  And uh very interesting.
• 55:38
  All right, good deal.
• 55:39
  We'll get that.
• 55:40
  We'll put the show notes in there and all there.
• 55:42
  Um, Steve's uh Dr.
• 55:44
  Latoul, Steve's pain uh book uh on uh uh pain-free is uh in the bookstore and will all be linked up to the podcast notes and all that here.
• 55:54
  The book is behind me uh on the bookshelf there, as you see it at the very top there.
• 55:58
  And uh he really, you know.
• 55:59
  I'll tell you, when I read the book, it is well, well written.
• 56:02
  Steve is a brilliant writer, one of the better writers, actually.
• 56:06
  You if you read his columns, his articles, the things he does on the platform, you'll know that automatically.
• 56:10
  Some people are really good with writing, uh, but many we have to fake it because it may not be our first element of uh, you know, like like we're really really good at that, but we get a lot of people are the way that get by with it.
• 56:22
  Uh, I'm probably in the middle somewhere.
• 56:24
  Uh it's a good day I can write.
• 56:26
  If it's a bad day, probably not so much.
• 56:28
  Steve can write on his good and bad days.
• 56:31
  So that's a little different.
• 56:33
  And uh he's a brilliant writer.
• 56:35
  And uh so the book is well written.
• 56:37
  Uh and I enjoyed reading it uh because of that.
• 56:40
  You know, it's so nice when you read a book and you're grabbing on to the different ideas and the things the author has.
• 56:46
  Uh, and I thought this is good.
• 56:47
  And your reference points were really, really solid as well.
• 56:50
  So I know how to read a good book, and it was darn good, Steve.
• 56:53
  You know, congratulations on that, buddy, for sure.
• 56:56
  Thank you.
• 56:56
  Um, so anyway, so I encourage you all to get the book there.
• 56:59
  It's in the bookstore.
• 56:59
  It'll be linked to the show notes here.
• 57:02
  And um, that uh is a rap here.
• 57:04
  Hope to see you all in Nashville, by the way, and come come join us here and let's have a good time.
• 57:08
  You can buy me a drink while we're out there.
• 57:10
  How's that?
• 57:11
  Uh so thanks for joining us here on the mission, friends.
• 57:14
  It's time to get involved and get loud.
• 57:18
  I'm not