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Chris Robinson _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _645(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Florida, baby.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be in Jacksonville this week. We've got shows Friday
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  Speaker 2: and Saturday. That's March 13th and 14th. One on Friday
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  Speaker 2: and two on Saturday evening. A few tickets are still
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  Speaker 2: available at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R. Practicing, preparing for my Netflix special.
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  Speaker 2: So grateful to be down there in the great state
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  Speaker 2: of Florida. Today's guest is a musician, He's a founder
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  Speaker 2: of the legendary rock band The Black Crows. He has
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  Speaker 2: a new album called A Pound of Feathers that comes
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  Speaker 2: out March 13th. I cannot even believe today's guest is Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Robinson.
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  Speaker 1: Shine on me and I will find you. And I like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind being decrepit a little bit. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I've never.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of artsy. It's a little bit Tim Burton-esque.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm kind of proud that I've survived 59 winters. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I can imagine with your life, I bet. Did
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  Speaker 2: you feel like when you were young, like I'm never
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  Speaker 2: going to live long? And then as you've grown, you're like, fuck,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I'm.
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  Speaker 1: I don't, you know what? It's so funny because I'm
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  Speaker 1: not afraid of the theme at all. And of course,
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  Speaker 1: I never really, I mean, no, I didn't really, I've
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  Speaker 1: never really thought about it. I adhere to, do you
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  Speaker 1: know the French artist Jean Cocteau? Do you know who
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  Speaker 1: he was? He's very, have you ever seen the original
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  Speaker 1: movie Beauty and the Beast? Yeah. The black and white
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  Speaker 1: one with the hands. He directed that film. He was
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  Speaker 1: a French artist, intellectual.
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  Speaker 2: Jean Cocteau.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a very important figure in the 20th century in art.
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  Speaker 1: And I subscribed to something that he said. And he said,
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  Speaker 1: living is a horizontal fall. So I'm just like, dude,
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  Speaker 1: should I? When I read that about 35, 36 years ago,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, that's it. I mean, what else do
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  Speaker 1: you need to know? I mean, it was like perfect, philosophic.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, ah, ah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a line. Sometimes I get so jealous when you
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  Speaker 2: hear somebody that said something or that wrote something, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not jealous, but also I guess I used to get
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  Speaker 2: more jealous. Now I think I just get grateful that
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  Speaker 2: I got to hear it or read it.
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  Speaker 1: Of course.
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  Speaker 2: Of course.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it's all about. I mean, there's, there's a
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  Speaker 1: million things to inspire, you know? And I think, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's really sad if you get to a point
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  Speaker 1: and it could be anything, just whatever. I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of varied interests, you know what I mean? So,
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  Speaker 1: I'm constantly like interested in stuff and the world is
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  Speaker 1: just information. You know what I mean? Um, because I'm
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  Speaker 1: dyslexic as well. I just process it in a different way,
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  Speaker 1: but it's, it's, that's why I've been in a fucking
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  Speaker 1: rock band my whole life. That's what.
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  Speaker 2: It'll lead you there. You saying, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If your brain is fricking doing donuts or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Every, every artist I know. Yeah. It's like, that's why
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  Speaker 1: we found our way to this. And, the success part
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, that kind of aspect of it is just whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That's what either happens or
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  Speaker 1: doesn't happen. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I read somewhere that you, um, like you have like a,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a fascination, but like about
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  Speaker 2: the first line of a song or a, um, like
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  Speaker 2: even whenever you mentioned that thing about Mr. Cocteau, it
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  Speaker 2: made me think about that. Like how the first line
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  Speaker 2: is so important.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's well for, it's funny that you're, I did
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  Speaker 1: say that. I've said that because you know, lyrics are the,
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  Speaker 1: the writing songs was the first thing I thought I
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  Speaker 1: could do. Do you know what I mean? So I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I was, that's what I was into. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That was my interest, poetry and writing. You know, that
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  Speaker 1: was something that I felt I had, maybe I could
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  Speaker 1: get into this.
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  Speaker 2: Was it a music first? Like you were just thinking
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  Speaker 2: poetry and they're just.
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  Speaker 1: Poetry first. You know what I mean? Because the music
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  Speaker 1: part came a little later when I was kind of,
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  Speaker 1: like fuck you know like we're going to see like
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  Speaker 1: hardcore bands in Atlanta in the early 80s at like
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  Speaker 1: punk rock matinee shows and stuff because that's the shit
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  Speaker 1: we could go see because I wasn't really interested in
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  Speaker 1: like MTV and kind of the same stuff we were
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  Speaker 1: just different my brother too that kind of led to
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  Speaker 1: the whole world of oh there's like all this other
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  Speaker 1: shit going on but it's not on TV or it's
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  Speaker 1: not the on the radio, you have to really dig
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  Speaker 1: and find it. And then you see some other kid
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  Speaker 1: in like a fucking circle jerks t-shirt or something. And
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  Speaker 1: you're like, let's go talk to that guy.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which the world is still the same way. I
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  Speaker 1: think you meet the people you're supposed to meet. It
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  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with technology. If you're out in
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  Speaker 1: the world traveling around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
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  Speaker 1: Actually.
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  Speaker 2: I think you come across.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking people because you guys are, people are on a,
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  Speaker 1: A certain wavelength.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a real human wavelength that's still happening in
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  Speaker 2: the universe, even though so many of us are sidelined
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  Speaker 2: on our devices, though. It's almost like you're on the
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  Speaker 2: sidelines when you're on your device.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost as if it's by design, too. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean, I don't really wander into
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  Speaker 1: those realms so much. I'm too busy with Mr. Cocktoe.
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  Speaker 1: Just kidding. Once I read that you said that, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, yeah, I was trying to think of... Oh,
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  Speaker 1: the first line thing. Well, that dictates the... Yeah, where, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: if that first thing to me is something like I could,
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  Speaker 1: in a stupid visualization, open up a page and see it,
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  Speaker 1: and then if that would be something that... If I
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  Speaker 1: could capture something in imagination or feeling or where those
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  Speaker 1: two things come together in the first few words of
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  Speaker 1: the song... Yeah. That's, you know, and I find my,
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  Speaker 1: I like that with songs too. Yeah. You know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? I'm not going to wait until the third
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  Speaker 1: verse for some good words.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to tickle you a little. Yeah. Go get it
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  Speaker 2: to it. Yeah, you want to tickle him up front. Like,
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  Speaker 2: what's a Johnny, that Johnny, I hurt myself today.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. That one. The Trent Reznor song.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, my friend was just at, they just went
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  Speaker 2: to see Nine Inch Nails last night, actually. He was
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  Speaker 2: sending me videos.
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  Speaker 1: They were here last night?
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  Speaker 2: No, they were in New Orleans.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, New Orleans. Oh, that's right, that's right. He just went. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: I saw that. My wife and I went to see
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  Speaker 1: them in Brooklyn over the summer. It was like a
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  Speaker 1: crazy week of like fucking gigs because we got there
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  Speaker 1: and Korn and System of a Down were playing. So
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  Speaker 1: we went to that and I've never seen shit like
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  Speaker 1: that and that was fucking amazing.
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  Speaker 2: With Brian Walsh, was he playing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. But that was the gig where a guy
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  Speaker 1: was like jerking off in the stands. Oh, in Brooklyn?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is at the stadium. What's it called? MetLife Stadium. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was all over the internet.
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  Speaker 2: There's a guy jerking off.
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  Speaker 1: There he is. That's a trap beat. Bro, that's playing
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  Speaker 1: an 808, huh? He's really upset at that point. But
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  Speaker 1: a guy runs over and smacks him. I was at
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  Speaker 1: that gig, but I was on the floor, so I
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  Speaker 1: had nothing to do. Oh, you were down there in
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  Speaker 1: the recipient section. Maybe he was looking at me right there.
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  Speaker 1: You never know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that dude's just serving a little bit of body butter.
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  Speaker 2: That dude's just making his own vending machine, dude.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, this guy's had enough of you, man. Bro,
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  Speaker 1: to run up and hit a guy who's jerking off
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  Speaker 1: is insane, though. Unless maybe he's a... That's what he wanted.
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  Speaker 1: He couldn't really get it together unless he got punched
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  Speaker 1: in the back of the skull.
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  Speaker 2: Good point. Maybe that was his.
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  Speaker 1: His plan all along. Wow, this guy's really on to something. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad I can get off easier than that.
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  Speaker 1: I was at that show. I was at Nine Inch Nails,
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  Speaker 1: and then we went to Oasis.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, amazing, huh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great week. But I tell you,
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  Speaker 1: Nine Inch Nails was... unbelievably good show. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: was so theatrical, so visual. It was, it was, there
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  Speaker 1: was also like a real human part too. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I was just so impressed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I heard the effects on this tour is supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be pretty amazing. Did it just kick off? No,
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  Speaker 2: this is the second half of it, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They did half of it last year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't got to talk to my friend. He's seen
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  Speaker 2: like four videos last night though. So it was pretty
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  Speaker 2: cool just to have like moments from our childhood, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that you just like, and for like 30 seconds each
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  Speaker 2: time I was, like, back in these moments where you're, like,
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  Speaker 2: feeling something, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's... I see some concerts now are less
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  Speaker 1: phone-driven than they used to be.
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  Speaker 2: Like, people want to be there more.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's funny when you see, like, when
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  Speaker 1: it's juxtaposed with, like, if you see some footage from, like,
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  Speaker 1: concerts before phones and everyone is focused on the same
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  Speaker 1: fucking thing. And it was really, you know, about some
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  Speaker 1: other sort of interaction. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you'd have a, you'd almost have a, like a,
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  Speaker 2: it was like you were riding a wave during a concert.
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  Speaker 2: Like you'd find somebody that had a beer.
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  Speaker 1: Emotional. Yes. You're there and then you.
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  Speaker 2: Connect with a girl, but she disappears. And then you're like,
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  Speaker 2: oh wait, I'm here with my wife. And then that's there.
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  Speaker 1: Concerts were every, I mean, they were, it was a
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  Speaker 1: different thing before. I mean, they can still have magical moments.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people can still be involved. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But your friend would go off to get like,
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  Speaker 2: and then somebody would go off to get beverages and
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  Speaker 2: you would never see, like that person, they were gone.
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  Speaker 1: Never saw them since.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, dude, there was just something about experiences like that.
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  Speaker 2: There was something about like, I always feel like the
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  Speaker 2: best music was during my childhood, but I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that stunts my appreciation for music as an adult.
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  Speaker 2: You know what it is?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's about it being the best music.
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  Speaker 1: I think my wife and I were talking about this
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  Speaker 1: because she, she's like an anthropologist. When she sees some
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  Speaker 1: teenagers sitting on the sidewalk smoking cigarettes, she's like, we
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  Speaker 1: need to study them. Look at them. This has been
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  Speaker 1: going on forever. But I say, I'll do the drawings.
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  Speaker 1: But I think what it is, and we talk about it,
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  Speaker 1: is when you're a teenager or you're an adolescent, you're
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  Speaker 1: so alive in a different way for the first time
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  Speaker 1: from the childhood alive to like this, oh, now the
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  Speaker 1: way the world feels to me is going to be
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  Speaker 1: something different. And when that music comes, it's like fucking
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  Speaker 1: imprinted on like this fresh you know what i mean
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  Speaker 1: there's no no one is swollen at that age.
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  Speaker 2: Before that you're kind of pulp and this is like
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  Speaker 2: that's like the first time but i get it.
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  Speaker 1: But it makes sense you know what i mean because
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  Speaker 1: i'm not i feel that i mean i'm lucky that
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  Speaker 1: i'm not nostalgic i don't really care about nostalgia oh
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  Speaker 1: you don't get into that it doesn't make me things
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  Speaker 1: are the way they are when they're happening and Yes,
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  Speaker 1: there could be an aspect of something like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: remember when I first heard that record, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: listen to a record like, I don't know, it could
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  Speaker 1: be anything. Even if it was from the 80s, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, something like Let's Active. There's a band from
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina, Mitch Easter.
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  Speaker 2: Let's Active?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, loved Let's Active.
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  Speaker 2: Bring them up. I want to see them.
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  Speaker 1: But if I hear that, I'm not back in my
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  Speaker 1: mom and dad's house. I'm like, oh, listen how cool
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  Speaker 1: that guitar sounds. Music has always made it alive. The room,
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  Speaker 1: wherever I am.
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  Speaker 2: Does it– yeah, it's funny because a lot of music
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  Speaker 2: I think I immediately go back to place. I'm like
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  Speaker 2: a nostalgia junkie. I'm like a romanticist, like let's go
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  Speaker 2: back in time kind of guy. And I think I
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  Speaker 2: miss out on probably a lot of like life and
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  Speaker 2: present moments sometimes like that. But I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: I'm that upset about it. Maybe that's just who I
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  Speaker 2: am on this trip.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I don't think that's necessarily– yeah. Yeah. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's also just dreaming. Yeah, maybe it is. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: And I love, I just love, like, I think I
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  Speaker 2: just loved some of those years so much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, are you kidding? If I could, like, if
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  Speaker 1: I could dress like a, you know, 17th century French aristocrat,
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  Speaker 1: I would. You know, I'd walk around with the wig
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  Speaker 1: and the, like, pants, and I would, like, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, if they had chain mail.
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  Speaker 1: And I would feel great about it. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: would feel great about it. That's a little, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But if they had chain mail, like, if you showed
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  Speaker 2: up to, like, say there was going to be people, like,
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  Speaker 2: there might be beef at this thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there was kind of always
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  Speaker 1: beef with those things.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, dude. Yeah, so somebody that
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  Speaker 2: showed up in chain mail was just like a dude
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  Speaker 2: who showed up with like.
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  Speaker 1: The richest, most powerful people are the most unhinged, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, run him through! Run him through! I think
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  Speaker 1: we're there now, dude. I don't think it's ever been
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  Speaker 1: any different. Yeah. I mean, I also think the resistance
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  Speaker 1: is always there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope it is.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I also think the moral
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  Speaker 1: compass will always show the way to what is right
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  Speaker 1: and what is wrong. And that doesn't have anything to do.
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  Speaker 1: That's just a fundamental. We know what's right and wrong. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And you believe that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I do because I've seen it happen. I mean, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, sometimes it doesn't come without a full on struggle. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I've been worrying about that a lot recently.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you have to like, like we got to
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  Speaker 1: believe that.
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  Speaker 2: Morality wins, you know, somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, but again, these things are in a constant
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  Speaker 1: sort of struggle that keep going and going. I mean, forever.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know we like to think that.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It's all now. Yeah. It's all our life.
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  Speaker 1: That life was, you know, there was Victorian people and
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  Speaker 1: then Crocs and airports. You know what I mean? But
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  Speaker 1: there's some other shit that happened in between. Yeah. your
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  Speaker 1: comfort and uh you know robber barons or whatever um
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  Speaker 1: but there is a there is a constant line in
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  Speaker 1: it you know what i mean and so i don't
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  Speaker 1: know what did they say what's that clint eastwood movie
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  Speaker 1: where the grit no it's one of but it's like
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  Speaker 1: a mid-70s one but the guy who's like his plays
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  Speaker 1: like the Native American guy, when they're talking about the troubles,
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  Speaker 1: he goes, we must endeavor to persevere. And ever since
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  Speaker 1: I was a kid, I was like, yeah. Oh, it's
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  Speaker 1: the Outlaw Jesse Wales. That's the one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I've heard of that. I've never seen it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's great. Is it? It's great, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to check that out, man. The
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  Speaker 2: Outlaw Jesse Wales. Josie Wales.
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  Speaker 1: Josie Wales.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they just remade it, I think, actually.
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  Speaker 1: No, don't do it. I know.
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  Speaker 2: Rarely have they done it well.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird. Why? Leave it alone. Just come up with
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  Speaker 1: something else.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's just to get people that saw it
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  Speaker 2: once with nostalgia to go get them to, hey, come
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  Speaker 2: pay for it one more time. And just, you know
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  Speaker 2: it's not going to be that good, but there's a
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  Speaker 2: part of you that's going to connect.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really love musicals, but I love West Side Story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the newsies.
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  Speaker 1: I always did, you know? Yeah. And as a lyricist,
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest lyrics of all time is in
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  Speaker 1: the Officer Crumpke song, when the kid goes, I'm depraved
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  Speaker 1: on account of I'm deprived. And I was always like,
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  Speaker 1: that's like fucking Bob Dylan. I'm depraved on account and
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  Speaker 1: I'm deprived. I mean, it is one of the great
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: lyrics of all time, but then Steven Spielberg remakes. What's
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: that story? I don't get it. I want, I mean,
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: he didn't call me. He didn't ask my opinion, but
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure, you know, that's Steve. He's going
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: to do what he wants to do. Yeah, man.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder if I had made something wonderful. would
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I try and remake it later on? Like, I wonder
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: what my desire would be in that.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, that, I don't, yeah, I wouldn't, I don't
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: understand that.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: Is there times like that in your career where you've
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: written like music that you really thought was great or
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: that had commercial successes or something? And then later, have
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: you ever like been like, I need to try and
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: get myself back into that space to write music like
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: that again, instead of trying to be like, I'm writing
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: music from where I'm at.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: No.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you. But I'm not, I've always found
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: it to be, I don't know. I've always found it
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: to be the most sort of fulfilling just to be
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: in the moment, you know, which is difficult too because,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: you know, it's hard. You know, it's hard to, I've,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: it's hard to remain in the dream place sometimes. Yeah.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: It's not hard for me. It's hard for everyone else
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: because you have to deal. I'm a husband. I have kids. Pets.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I have pets. So demanding. So much pressure from the pets. Okay.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: But the reality is I can't fully remove myself from
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: the dream place or the muse or whatever you want
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: to call it because I do understand that it's a
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: very jealous entity and it will leave you. If you're not,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: it has to have its proper place.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: What does you're saying?
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: The Muse, you know what I mean? That creative spark.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: It's like Quest for Fire. Do you know that movie?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Ever seen Quest for Fire? Dude, we have to have
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: a movie night. I mean, you're missing a lot of
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Quest for Fire. I've seen, whoa. The best.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I look like I'm related to one of those people.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: We all are. We all are.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: There we go. I've seen... I think the first movie
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I ever saw was either like Jason Voorhees, like the
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: killer guy at the lake. And then there was the movie.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: It was the guy, the older guy, he has the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Coke bottle and he throws it in Africa or whatever.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: The gods must be crazy. Yes. Okay, that's a pretty.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: And Cheech and Chong, that was an early one too.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: That was like still kind of popping. Oh, look at
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: this guy.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: My first movie, I remember watching my parents let me
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: stay up and watch Lord of the Flies. Fuck yeah.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Nothing could be wrong with that.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: That kind of fits, you know.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, cool. He'll like this. And I did.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: I fucking did. That's crazy, bro. Yeah, that's great, dude.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Just like early influences and stuff. I love that kind
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: of stuff.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: But the first movie I remember, I always saw Patton
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: with George C. Scott in the drive-in movie theater in
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: my parents' car.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: No, with them?
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Do you know that film? You know, because it has
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: that music.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I've seen this. I've never seen the film.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: It's good, too. Oh, my God. It's epic, like psycho
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: General Patton.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, I saw, oh, crazy.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Psycho George C. Scott doing it. I mean, he's really.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I got to tap in then. Yeah, I'm just kind
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of out of touch with some films. I did just,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I started reading All's Quiet on the Western Front last night.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Amazing. And the original, both of the films, the original
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: one is unbelievably good. If you've ever, you should watch it.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: That's the one that they remade that was like on
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Netflix or something that was great. But that's the original one.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: The remake is good? The remake was fantastic. Oh, that's
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing tonight. Watch the original one first, though. Okay.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Don't sell yourself short. Okay. Go to the source. Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's incredible.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Here's a situation where they made another one and it
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: was good. But I guess it's not like a part two, though.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: No. And you're right. That is it. That is it.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: They did a good job. I loved it. I loved
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: the modern one. But the original one is... to me
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: holds like the, the real magic of the thing. Okay.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I did see the jury. What's that movie?
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: The Jury?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It's like 12 men. It's like- 12 Angry Men?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, dude. It's a big one.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Louis C.K. told me to watch that, and he was right, dude.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: It's great.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Fantastic.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I appreciate the recommendations. I don't get
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: a ton.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I'm lucky because I'm old enough that when I grew
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: up in Atlanta- We had three channels and then we
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: had channel 36 or whatever and TBS and they played
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: fucking movies. Yeah. Because later it splinters off to Turner
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Classic Movies or whatever. But when... There wasn't that much,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: there's not that much content, you know?
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, there wasn't much at all. Beastmaster, remember when that
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: came on? On TBS, dude? Every other Tuesday.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: For like 10 years. That's right, the ferrets.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Remember this, dude? That was crazy. Some white guy from
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: WWF tickling a couple of pets. Dude, I was like,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: what is going on here?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really, all those fantasy movies are really strange.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Dude, I loved times like that. We would ride our
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: bikes to go get the videos at the video store.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: And they had like those Wild West doors on like
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the titty area. You know those?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm a product of like the early 80s, you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: VHS boom. And my parents had moved. They had made
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the regretful decision to move to the suburbs. That's the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: worst blow in life. You know what I mean?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: In Atlanta, if you move from the city to the suburbs?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Well, we had moved to Charlotte, and then when we
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: moved back, yeah, we were in town, and then we
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: moved to the sub. But my parents also, this is
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: at the ripe time of them really being too disinterested
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: in my life to, like, edit what I was doing.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: So it was the great time at these stores of, like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the midnight movies and European movies. You know what I mean?
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And I had the fucking pick of whatever weird... Shit,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: we wanted to watch, like, I remember my dad seeing
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: us watching Eraserhead back then, and he was just like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: why are you doing this to yourself? What is wrong
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: with you? And I'm like, Dad, it's cinema. We would
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: watch David Lynch's The Elephant Man, like.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: All the time.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, it's not a lark.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude. This isn't a one-time offer.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Like this, we would play it again, you know what
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I mean? Like, what the fuck?
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Were you like an angry child? Because music usually comes
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: from some feeling of youth, I feel like. Like a
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: lot of that blast-off energy does, like real music, like real,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: you know, like whether you're going to become a musician
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: or like an anarchist or a peeping Tom, that shit
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: comes out of your childhood, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Crime and art. Yes. yes fuck yeah vandalism and art
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: uh yeah uh yeah there was the bad kid part
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: of it and i think that's always been associated with
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: rock and roll at least in our case because we
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: just gravitated that that was our shit like we were
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: into music so now we're in a band and let's
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: go how do we get in the grown-up club to
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: play you know we were kids you know how do
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: we get in there it's like well get write some
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: songs you know get better and get up there do
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: something and but it was yeah always the bad.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Was your brother the same i know because you he's not.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: A bad kid i mean he kind of is bad
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and he was down for vandalism and shit too but
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: He's not as bad.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: He's down for vandalism. That has to be going on
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: his headstone if he ever passes away.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Down for vandalism and shit. Occasionally. Sorry to admit it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: You know, it gets like more of, you're going to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: need another stone. Yeah, yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude, that'd be great. Two stones. Because you're just,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: because yeah, there's a little more to tell about him.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: People don't get buried anymore though. Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Did you see that stat that like, they're like, where
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: are all the bodies going?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, they're, Throwing them in Lake Lanier
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: or something? I don't know. Yeah. Where all the ashes go.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I want you to take me up to the top
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: of Stone Mountain, and I want you to throw my
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: ashes all over those Confederate fuckers up there, all right?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Dude, one of my friends who works at TSA, he
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: said that, I was like, what's some of the things
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: that have been left in the thing?
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Ashes.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: He said four times they've had people that left somebody's
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: ashes and never came back to get them.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Where's Uncle Larry? Oh, I've... Is that a layover? Yeah, totally.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I asked you to go pick up your racist uncle
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Seth's ashes. What are you doing with them? I fucking
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: left them on the plane.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Fuck, they're in Salt Lake City.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: God. But that's wild, bro, that it ends up like that.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Like I came online probably like as a human and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: maybe just like my brother listening to stuff like Dio, GNR,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Black Crowes, one of the early albums that he had,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you know, watching him like move his body. Our family
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: could never dance well. He would kind of like. And
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: we shared a room, you know? And sometimes he would
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: set his weights down and fucking put it on and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: make me watch him kind of, which was the first
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: time he and I ever like kind of engaged.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Listen, man, I'm going to put my weights down and
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I'm going to boogie a little bit. You cool with that?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: That's never happened to me.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: It was kind of crazy, but it was like.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: You know what? This is more of my... I'm going
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: to take down this badminton set. Then we're going to
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: have some canopies. And then you're going to all watch
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: me dance. Yeah, okay.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, a little different.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: A little different.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't lift weights.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just, like, yeah. But that was, like, when
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: I first kind of came on with music and, like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: watching it through my brother.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: It's funny. That was the way a lot of people got,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I wouldn't have known about, like, my dad.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: My dad had, like, Johnny Guitar Watson records and Jimmy
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Reed records and Bob Dylan records. He had a lot
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: of Moe's Allison and all sorts of eclectic stuff, but
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: more kind of stuff. But my neighbor up the street,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: his older brother, he had like all the Aerosmith records
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: and shit. So we would like, and his mom was
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a dance teacher. So she had a stereo with this
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: big loud speaker on it. And we would get down
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: there and fucking, that's when I was like, oh, I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: like Aerosmith, you know. Dude, yeah. ACDC. Because that's the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: time you're around the neighborhood pool, you know. So everyone
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: at the pool would be like, Back in Black, when
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: that shit came out, it was on the radio every
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: five minutes. You know what I mean? And you were like, damn.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Dude, you remember when the radio was like this omen,
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: and if it served to your song, it felt like
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: a volcano had gone off just for you.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: It was exciting. Oh, man.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: And we all had it in common. That was one thing, too.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: That was one thing that I liked about.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: And you'd think all the records were good, but it
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: was really just a promo guy getting, like, hookers and, like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: steaks and lobsters to the program director to be like,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: fucking play this record. You'll get a BJ out of this.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, all right. I fucking
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: love this record. Oh, dude. These guys are like Mac
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: McTurner Overdrive, but even better. You know what I mean?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And they'd have such a mix.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: If you like BTO, you're going to fucking love these guys. Whoa.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. So many of those radio stations. I worked
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: as a tour manager one time for a musician, and
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: we would go to this guy, Josh Kelly, actually. He's
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: out of Georgia as well. He's from Augusta, Georgia. His brother,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Charles Kelly, played with Lady Antebellum. But we would, I
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: was his tour manager, so we would just go all
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: around to these radio stations, and I'd have to get them, like,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: donuts and stuff in the morning and coffee. But you're right,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: they'd be like, at 11 o'clock today, we're having lobsters.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It's like listening for lobster. And you'd have just some
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Muppets show up.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Snow tires. You know what? When the Black Crowes came out,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I bought a lot of snow tires. I didn't know
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I was buying them. Till later in life when they
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: show what you paid for because you're the only fucking
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: band selling like six million records. You're like, who's got
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: a new set of snow tires at WW whatever in Bangor, Maine?
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, oh, they fucking played
• 27:58
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• 28:00
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• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Dude, that was, yeah, that's when it was more like
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: a music mafia kind of thing.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. A lot of good, a good
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: song is a good song.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:10
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm just like going down some of
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  Speaker 2: Who's a better brother, do you think?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Well, obviously me. It doesn't even matter who's right or wrong.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: It's me, of course. I mean, that, what a ridiculous question.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm all, and that's your Christmas card.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I'm older. I'm older. I'm Sagittarian. I'm the lead singer.
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  Speaker 1: It's me. Yeah. I don't know.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I think the things you really admire about him, like
• 31:45
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• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I don't really size it up like that, but the
• 31:50
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• 31:56
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• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I mean? Um, the other things I love about him, he's,
• 32:15
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  Speaker 1: when you're kids and all of a sudden you're in
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a local band and then six months later you're selling
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: millions of records and, everything's different everything has changed the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: pressure's on now you know blah blah blah i always
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: knew my brother was talented i chose to you know
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: we've we were writing these songs together we've always been
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the rich and i's composition or the is the engine
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: for whatever the black crows are it's been that way
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: since we before it was anything But now I can,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: especially because, you know, we made this last record and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Rich plays all the bass and all the guitars. And
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I've fucking sat in the studio with
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: him since the first time we were in the studio
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: was 1987 or something. I've seen him do amazing things,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you know, like beautiful music, inspired, dynamic things. But now
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I see like, oh, wow, I really see it more
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: than ever because I've... my perspective of what he is,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: isn't tainted by any of my bullshit, whether that's my anger, resentment, ego, shit, whatever.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Ego is so dangerous.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: And I could see it really now so much clearer
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: that it's like, uh, and by the way, when I
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: say that we live in a world, throw a foot,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you're in Nashville, throw a rock, hit a great guitar player.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? There's so many talented people,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: so many talented musicians. And that is just the way
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: it is. But I really see my brother, I see
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: his uniqueness, and I see how special he really is
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: in that world of guitarists. And I've gotten to play
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: with some of the best musicians. You know what I mean?
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's cool. That's cool to hear.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: So lucky.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: That's a nice thought. That's a nice compliment, too, I think.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: If you ask Rich about me, he'd say, he's all right.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: He's pretty good. How tough was it during some times? Like,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: was there ever a part where you guys were like,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: not only are we not going to keep playing, I mean,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I know you guys have storied throughout the years. It's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: been like, you know, I'm sure like with any brothers
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: or with any bands where it's like things go apart,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: things come back together. But was there ever a part
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: where you're like, shit, we might not even be brothers
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: after this, you know? Uh, yeah. I mean, the, like,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: 2013 was, like, the last Black Crowes thing before we, and, yeah. Um,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, we went a long time without, seven years
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: without speaking. No way. Um.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: And would you have certain feelings sometimes, like, you wanted
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to talk to him, or sometimes did that stuff get
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: clouded by, like, resentment and stuff? Cause I, I've had
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: moments like that with family members.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: It was also kind of important to take the fucking
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: kettle off the flame a little bit. Cause sometimes those
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: things and your work and your relationship, you know, and these,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: all of it was just to me like a kettle
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: on the stove. Just no one's going to, no one's
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: going to flip the thing. So it stops like, but
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I think he needed that too. So it wasn't, I mean,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I was, yeah, whatever. I was ugly and mean. I
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: lashed out when I shouldn't have. I should have reached out.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. I've held resentments that were only like, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I was the only one thinking about them. Some of
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: them weren't even real. That's the crazy shit.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: That's the crazy shit.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You think people give a fuck and they don't. You
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? About whatever you're doing sometimes. I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I've been lucky too to just, have whatever, you know.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Um, to keep it moving.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: It sounds like that.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And I don't, I really don't like to, it's exhaust,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I've tried to, for better, for worse, not
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: to be a liar in my life because the idea
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: of telling someone a line and having to remember what
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the fuck you said, that wasn't the real thing that
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: happened or however it happened to you or, you know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: everyone's truth is their own thing or whatever. But yeah.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: But you know what I mean? They would be the
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: same thing. Anything kind of, fake or whatever. I'd rather,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I'm cool. You know, I, not everybody has to think
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I'm great, you know, like, but meaning also, I don't
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: have to act a certain way to pretend that that's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: something that is, well, it's just not normal. It's just not,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Oh yeah.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Well, a lot, I was just thinking of this as
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: you were saying it, dude, I was like, you cut
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: your head kind of turns into like, to like a library.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I know that's kind of like a dumb play on words,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: But it's like now I have to go back in
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the shelves.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Figure out what the fuck. I mean, that would be exhausting. Dude,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: that was a lot of like– I think I was
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: probably lying to survive.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what I was doing. I think
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: for certain years of my childhood, I was like, I
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: don't even know what's going on. But like I'm still alive.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep going. And then one day you
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: start to kind of get a little bit better perspective
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: of yourself and things start to adjust a little bit.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Was y'all's band always going to be the Black Crows?
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Was there ever anything else it was going to be?
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I know it had different names before that.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Well, we were a band called Mr. Crow's Garden in Atlanta. Yeah.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Was it ever going to be a different animal? It
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: was always Crows.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, maybe we, I don't really, yeah. We
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: didn't want to, we liked being, people just referred to
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: your band and like those guys are in the Crows
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever. Right. So we, I mean, I don't know.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: We liked that. And that's why we kept the E
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: in the name because Mr. Crow was the guy's name
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: in this book, Mr. Crow's Garden. That this girl had
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: in her dorm at the University of Georgia and she
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: showed it to me. And that's just the way it was. Like, oh, yeah, cool.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: It's like psychedelic and like kind of 60s. And we
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: liked that aesthetic. But yeah, by the time... You know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I remember we drove, there was a place called Rome, Georgia.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I've heard of it. I think I did
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: a show, actually. No, maybe I didn't. I've heard of it.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's north, kind of east of Atlanta, I think.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: There used to be, I don't know if it's still there,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: a boarding school called Darlington or whatever. My dad went
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: there and my brother went to boarding school there, which
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: is funny. And there was a little club there and
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: we had a gig and we drove up there and
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: we had made our first album. And we drove up there.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Were we all driving, you remember?
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: A van. We had a van. It was probably my
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: dad's van or something he let us use.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, dad.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: We drove up there. Way to go, Big Stan. And
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: we said, by the time we fucking roll in the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: parking lot, we're like, we're the Black Crows. Everybody hip
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: to that. This is what it is. We're the Black Crows.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: That's what we are. We go in. We fucking set
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: up our shit. We do sound check. And we're playing.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: jealous again, twice as hard, like songs that would later,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you know, that record would be.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: The band, we get off stage, there's a bar down
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: the street. We're going to go have a couple drinks.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: The band that is opening for us was like a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: dad and his daughter and their cousin or some family shit.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: And they set up and we were like, all right, weird.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: So we come back. We're the Black Crust. We walk
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: in the club. The only people there are the dad,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the daughter, and the cousin in the band. And they're
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: sitting at a table eating Subway sandwiches. And I'm like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: we're the Black Crows. And we played Jealous again. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: they're just like eating their sandwiches. They're like, three people,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: four people. I was like, oh, fucking hell. This isn't
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: going well.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Those were school. And it was at a school?
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: No, it was at a club. Yeah, but just somehow
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: they put these people on, you know, the family on
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: the bill. The only way this story could be better
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: is if they had been a Christian group. But I
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: don't know. Oh, dude. I can only hope.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: One time there was a guy that was kind of
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: hitting me up. I don't know if he was a
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: pedophile and he thought I was young.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: Let's hope he was.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, dude. Because look, he needed something to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: do in his older years. But maybe he thought I
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: was young. Because a lot of times pedophiles are old.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: He's like, I'm so bored.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's time to commit a crime against all nature.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying that, like, because sometimes pedophiles will
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: drive by and you'll be like, no, I'm 40, you know? Like,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: they just don't, you know what I'm saying?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: It's your hair.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of them don't have good glasses. It's
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: all types of things.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: It's eyewear.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: It's health care. It's a lot of stuff.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: The guy's not wearing his prescription. He's wearing the glasses
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: with the big nose because he's on the sex offenders registry.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: He doesn't want anyone to recognize him.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I miss the old pedophile that at least had
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: the peeping Tom, the ladder hanging out of the back
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: of the truck.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: The old pedophile was your family like, don't sit on
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Uncle Oscar's lap. You know what I mean? They're like,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: why would they invite the pedophile uncle? He's like, kids
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: want some quarters? Like, no. You know what we want?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: We want justice for your victims. You fucking sick fuck.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: That's what we want.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: He's like, I got to roll the quarters in the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: middle of my pants.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You're like.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Who wants to dig for loose change? Fuck, you know.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: But, dude, those are the– back when they had pedophiles,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: it was just a different time. I mean, now they
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: have them, but now they're, like, rich.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: People are doing it. Dude, I was thinking the other day,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: there's a famous character. It could be on Sonny and
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Cher or Maude or anything, the guy who runs over
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: in a coat and, like– Totally. It's like– That's a
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: character on movies and TV shows. He'd have a hat
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: on and he'd run over there. That's a guy. Yeah.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: It was a thing that was on. You just saw
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: it as a kid on TV. Hey, there's that guy.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: As if he was a colorful neighborhood character. Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Like a dude selling.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: It's fucking horrible. By the way, that's a Flasher Bizarre
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Raincoat people, which is a great band name. We're Flasher
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Bizarre Raincoat people. You're going to love us. I mean,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: really love us.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this. I remember one time my
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: uncle was in Atlanta and I didn't really know him.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It was like a girl. My dad had like a
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: daughter from his first marriage. He drops him off over there.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: She had an Italian husband. who was like semi out
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: of work, kind of had an advertising agency and played
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: mariachi music at night, right? So he takes me to
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: the wine shop or whatever, because I think he wanted
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to go talk to a woman. So he just dropped
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: me off in there for a little while. A flasher
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: comes up, a lady goes, I remember this. She's like,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: have you seen my kitty? And I'm thinking like, I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: was probably 12 maybe. And I'm like, I'm in this
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: store and I'm looking at these big bottles, they had
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: some big bottles of wine. And I was thinking like,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't think so. And then she
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: just showed her, body like that the front of her
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: body or you know cooter and breast or whatever and
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: i didn't know what had happened really i didn't know
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: if i was in trouble.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Cooter and breast that's the new pub everyone's going to
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: in nashville it's right over by donuts and dildos yeah
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: there's a father we don't go there anymore there's a
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: father and daughter they're eating subway right now if you
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: pull up but uh but that was a crazy time
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: where i saw a flasher weird In the liquor store.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: In the liquor store.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Good. How old were you?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I was probably 12, maybe.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: That's a perfect place for you to be when you're 12. Yeah.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Why don't you just wander around? Why don't you wander
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: around the French whites over there? Yes, those are Bordeaux's.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a puif we say, if you know what
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. If you don't like the fumet, it's nice
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: as well. I'll be back in an hour and a half.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Have some salted peanuts. Yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: But fuck that was the days when any other any
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: building that was open was kind of a babysitter you
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: know like parents would just drop you off or like
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: significant people in your life.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: The day my parents realized like they could split for
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: the weekend and like Rich and I probably wouldn't die
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: they were gone you know what I mean like here
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: they would leave but like this is an emergency $ 20
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: bill yeah And then it would be like, there's two
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: gallons of ice cream and steakums in the refrigerator. They
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: had these things called steakums and they were like.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Bring them up.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Those bitches were nasty. Bring them up. Thin slices of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: some sort. Steakums.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Every time you ate them, a dolphin died somewhere.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, hey, Post Malone, you should
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: get steak him on your face. That would look cool.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Whoever, who's got face tattoos?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll, get fucking steak him.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, he would definitely be good for steak him. Yeah, slice,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: get the whole thing. You should get steak, um, not anymore,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you know, since he lost so much weight. That'd be crazy.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Steak, um, no thanks. Yeah. No thanks. Dude, that's rocking, bro.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: At least on your neck or something. Steakums.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Did you, oh, steakums, yeah, it is more of a
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: neck thing than a face thing. I think we're getting
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: to that place where people are going to start renting
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: out their body spaces for exactly for tattoos. Just people
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to survive. We're already at the place where, you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are selling their bodies on OnlyFans
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: and over their phones and stuff like that. So it's
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: definitely getting to a unique spot.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? They're selling their bodies?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Just like selling sexual videos and stuff.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I guess that's not their bodies, really. I mean, they're souls,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: but whatever. Actually, it might be more.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: Just kidding.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: It might be more souls.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Whatever. It's the oldest profession in the world.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I agree. And look, I've supported it, so I'm not, you.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Know, no big judgment. I mean, to you, I'm glad
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: you have a healthy relationship with it after the kiddie
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: lady at the liquor store when you were 12. That's traumatic.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I still try as hard as I can to remember
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: what she looked like, and I can't exactly. I can
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: remember the outline of her. but I can't remember the
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: end line, and that's what I think I wanted.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I didn't see her, but if I close my eyes,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I see the green lady from Star Trek. Ooh, bring
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: her up. I don't remember her exactly, but I believe.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I know it's your memory. There she is. It's her, right?
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was her. It was her, dude.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Sorry. God, dude. I knew it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember that. I'm trying to think of
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: what else.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Kids today, they have everything at their fingertips. When we
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: were kids, you had to wait until the Green Lady
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: episode of Star Trek came on, which was probably only
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: once or twice a year. Yeah.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: You had to play back a movie. You had to
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: play back a movie and try to pause it right
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: at the spot where there's a part of a tit
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it was, you know.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And you had to listen so hard for somebody coming
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: in the front door because there's only one TV in
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: the living room. You didn't have your own TV in
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: your room to touch your body to or whatever.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: To put your weights down and touch your body.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: And dance for your brother.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Or myself.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Or whoever. Once we got a mirror in my room,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: he didn't need me anymore. That was the crazy part.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: That's the worst.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: It was the wildest, dude. And we had a lady.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: It's good to know. That's a good, you know, all
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: of it is adding up. You know, the rejection of
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: that deep wound. Oh, dude. And the beaver lady, kitty lady.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: It was there.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you probably, did you ever work in a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: liquor store after that? You're like, this is pretty nice.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: No, we did a shrimp and video, though. We had shrimp.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: We'd shrimp out a pound and come run a movie
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: over there. Pat, shrimp and video. But did you have
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: other movies other than Forrest Gump? Yeah. We just had
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: 200 copies of Forrest Gump. And one copy in the
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: back of Forskin Gump, which is a different movie altogether.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Bro, I had no fucking clue you were this hilarious, dude.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Thank you, bro. I was having a shitty day.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I know. Foreskin Gump usually isn't in the press release
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: before I show up. But I said, you know, fuck it.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: You're drinking Sonic and shit. I'm like, might as well.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know what I mean?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: After the whole Foreskin thing, I'm not getting any fucking.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Who's going to have me? You know what I mean?
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Foreskin Gump, yeah. What did we watch?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I actually saw that on the spine of a porno
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: in New York in the Old Tower Records by Lincoln
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Center up there. To be honest with you, full disclosure,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I wasn't in the porno section. I was obviously going
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: around to the free jazz documentaries. And no, I wasn't.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: But I saw it. They didn't have.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, and is that guy in blackface?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: They did it. Let's hope again, let's hope it's worse
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: than we could ever imagine, but they had all the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: covers off of the video. This was before DVDs. They
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: had all the covers off of them, but just the
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: words in black. And there's a thousand words in my
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: brain goes for skin gum. I've never forgotten.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Dude, that's great. Yeah. I don't remember the first porn.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I knew my, I saw they had a stack of
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: videos and I remember jerking off and blacking out.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Um, I just couldn't handle it. I couldn't handle having
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: any feelings, especially not that much at once. And it
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: was like, ah.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Well, they say the first time is, you know.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: It's all you need. You're never the same. You're never
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: the same. Did you have, because I know you had
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: experience with drugs and stuff over the years. Did you
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: try different drugs and thinking that they would help you
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: write or create certain music? Was there ever any of
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: that energy? Or is that something that musicians even do, really?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've... I've always done my writing. I might
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: be a little stoned sometimes, but I've never did drugs
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: to write. You know what I mean? I mean, I've,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: but you know, like psychedelics, they're in my writing, but
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I don't take psychedelics to write. All of it, all
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: of it's in there. You know, I mean, I was
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: a person fairly well adjusted in some ways. I never
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: took drugs to blotto myself out. I always, I, I truly,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: and talking about romance, my romantic relationship with drugs and okay,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: those lines can become blurry at a certain point in
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: my life. But, uh, I always kind of knew what
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: was going on. Um, I was never into speed and shit.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was a Coke person and, you know,
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: hard drugs.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: That was my forte in the nineties.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: And, But, uh, speed, thank God, like only a few
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: times I ever tried it. I was, it was just
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the worst feeling thing. It just didn't go with my chemistry. But, uh, I, yeah, I've,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: it was, I've, I fucking love drugs. You know what
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I mean? I don't do them. I'm, I'm six, almost,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be 60 years old this year. And, uh,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: and I love my life and my responsibility and, um,
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: And to do what I do, I can't do that.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You know, it's to sing
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: and sing at a high level, hopefully, to the workload is,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: you know, when you're 25, you can do that shit
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: and get up and. Oh, yeah, dude.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: It's a different story as you get older. I'm in
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: recovery now from drugs and it's like. Yeah, dude, I
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: liked it. And if they came out with a version
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: that was better for you.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: They have it. It's called pharmaceutical cocaine. It's just really
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: fucking hard to get.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Are you serious?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I tried it. I didn't even know.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: That they had pharmaceutical cocaine.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on another. Look it up. Yeah, bring it up.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Put it up.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Bring it up. Let's see what Bear Monsanto is up
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: to this week, huh? New pharmaceutical cocaine, that's what we're
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: looking for probably?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Well, even the old one I think is better than
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: the average old. Oh, really? I got this at the
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: bowling alley cocaine.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it when the bag was still warm
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: from somebody's hand.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: And if you didn't do it while it was warm,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: it was bad. It was like Chinese food. Pharmaceutical cocaine
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: refers to purified cocaine hydrochloride used in controlled medical settings
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: distinct from illicit street forms. It's classified as a Schedule
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: II narcotic. controlled substance in the U.S. due to its
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: medical value despite high abuse potential. Yep.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Fantastic. Huh. That's the best Yelp review I've ever read.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Dude, it makes me think about this. My favorite joke
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I ever heard, right? It goes, what's the last thing
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: you want to hear when you're giving a blowjob to
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Willie Nelson? I'm not Willie Nelson.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know why that's it's not my joke and
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: i don't know whose it is but it's my favorite
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: joke ever so for some reason i just had to
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: share it with you i like it i like it
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: thanks man thanks all i.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Can think about is a sea of red and gray
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: pubic hair now yeah that's all i will i'll go
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to sleep thinking oh yeah cheers.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I can't remember what she had she could have had
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: a Connor.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. You were just so shocked. I
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: was so shocked that somebody would do this. I couldn't
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: understand that there was nothing under it. This was in Atlanta.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: This was in, uh, yep. This is in Atlanta, right
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: off of like, I want to say peach tree one,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: not road. Right. They're all peach trees.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Like there's like, there's a few.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Something civil rights Boulevard. It was something like that. It was,
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: it was a lot of action.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: That's every street.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: It really was. Do you remember a time when you
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: got the highest you ever did in your life? Like,
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: do you remember a time when you got too high,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: kind of?
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a couple times. A couple times I got
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: too high. One time, our old keyboard player in the
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Black Crows in the 90s, this guy Eddie Harsh, Ed
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: was older, you know, and he'd been in the blues scene,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: and Ed was really my drug professor, you know, and
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: he taught me a lot about Not just music and stuff,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: but especially, you know, the underground business we were in
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: at the time.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: He looks a little native, huh?
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: He's Ukrainian, actually. Oh, wow. Yeah, his parents came to
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Toronto after World War II.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, Canadians are good.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: But one night we were on the bus, and he
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: had like a couple of bags of shake, fucking weed,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and he talked like this, man. You know, he's like, man,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go get some brownie mix at the
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: truck stop. I'm like, all right, all right. I'm fucking,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, he comes in the bus
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: and he, he takes two bags of shake and pours
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: it in this little thing of microwave brownie mix. And
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: he mixes that shit up. He's like smoking a cigarette shit.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: And he put that in there and I was like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: all right. I mean, I don't know how fucked up
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: can we get? And he put the icing on it
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: and he said, you eat half and I'll eat half.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: And I was like, uh, uh, Then I was a
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: racer head. You know what I mean? It was a nightmarish.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: It was either 10,000 days or five minutes of complete
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: mind ripping hell of like the, I thought there's only
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: death can save me. And I just, it was just done.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I just didn't know. You know what I mean? I
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'll eat half of it. It was
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the dumbest shit I ever did in my life. Except
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: the only worst drug experience I ever had, I was
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: a kid, and a kid at my school gave me
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: some Redman chewing tobacco. But just like a piece like this,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I fucking put that shit in my mouth, and my
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: parents had gone out or whatever. Five minutes later, first
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: it felt amazing. The stars were brighter. The world had
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: a warm glow. 30 seconds after that, I can still
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: taste the back of my teeth from throwing up so
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: horribly in my parents' bushes at our house. Yeah. In
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Jackson's Creek subdivision. Sounds like the worst CWT. Fucking honky. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: The worst CW show. This episode, you know, Skyler gives
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Jasper chlamydia. You know what I mean? Where did you
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: get it? I don't want to tell you. I got
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: it from Uncle Oscar. Yeah, this week. Well, he's not
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: my uncle. You're Uncle Oscar. This week on Jackson's Creek.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: I could totally see it, dude. Fuck, bro. Yeah, there
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: was something about being in the neighborhood. There was something
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: about doing drugs, dude. I loved it. I remember.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I was scared of drugs so long. I didn't start
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: until I was older.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Dude, I remember one time doing some shit. Somebody gave
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: me something supposed to be cocaine or something, and I
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: knew it was like a performance-enhancing drug, right? And this
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: is the second time I'd ever– this is the first
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: time I'd ever gotten it for myself. I'd done it twice,
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: like out in Tucson. I was working as a busboy,
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: and people said it was like a performance enhancer, right?
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: You will be able to clean these tables so much
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: better than you were doing– wait, you dropped a fork.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right?
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent, though. So I did this shit. I'm
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: down in Baton Rouge, and I just start– I was like, well,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go for a good run. I'm going
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: to get a strong run in. So I'm running, I'm
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: stopping and doing this shit. And at a certain point,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I was, I just got, I got really squirreled out.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Like I was afraid to run, right? But I was
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: wearing umbros, remember umbros shorts? I was wearing umbros and
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: shoes and no shirt, right? And I was like, oh man.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: It's typical Louisiana menswear. I get it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Typical twink on the train tracks type of energy, okay?
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: You're like, okay.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm running right through like Tigerland, which is like
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: right around LSU campus. And there was like a fence.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: And so I jumped in these. I jumped over this fence.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, I can't be. It's too many people
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: are out here driving by. Jump over this fence. And
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: I'm in kind of like a backyard area. And they
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: had like a little bird bath or whatever. And I
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: remember I was drinking out of that bird bath when
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: the people came outside.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: They're like, what the fuck are you doing? You're like,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a tapeworm. What does it look
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: like I'm doing?
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: What do you think I'm doing?
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I'm just stopping for water. I'm ingesting gas. Water and
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: bird feces. So mind your own business. I'm having an episode.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I'm having a Hurricane Katrina martini.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I was in Baton Rouge a few years ago, and
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: we went to get some food, some good food. It
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: was a little bit out of town. And at the time,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Camille and I, we weren't married yet, but I had
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: a Prius at the time. I don't know, the shame.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: But I remember eating and looking out at the restaurant,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I haven't seen a Prius
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: since I got into Louisiana. I saw fucking trucks and
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: fucking more trucks and shit. I was like, if we
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: pulled in here in a Prius, they would fucking kill us.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, this was a while ago.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: It's frowned upon.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: No, it's frowned upon. Maybe the Prius stigma's over there.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: or something, or they don't even have them anymore.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It would still be kind of frowned
• 59:13
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• 59:15
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• 59:19
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• 59:21
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• 59:22
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• 59:27
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  Speaker 2: that you had a, like a, you're a Grateful Dead
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  Speaker 2: fan and that you guys have kind of crossed paths
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  Speaker 2: over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And you've played with, um, some of their musicians.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I spent a lot of time in the old
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  Speaker 1: realms of the GDs. Yeah.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Um, did you go to, uh, Bob Weir's funeral?
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: I did not. I did not. I wasn't, uh.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Or were people even invited to it? I don't even
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: know how to say that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they had a private service for
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: him and then they had a public thing. Um, Yeah,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was super lucky to, you know, rise
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: to the ranks of so many musicians that I respected
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: and loved. And, you know, we were talking about Bob today,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, Bob's great, his great gift is
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  Speaker 1: his truly unique, truly outside-the-box musician. um somebody who just
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  Speaker 1: his whole that's how he was you know i mean
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: just very unique bob weir you know like no one
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: thought like him or played like him or you know
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: and that's again when you look at the world of
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: music full of unique characters full of unique voices full
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: of talented people sometimes troubled people what you know what
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: i mean just the And then you have someone like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Bob who really stood out. I mean, that's what made
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: The Grateful Dead so special. It's funny how things that
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: start off like that and then become sort of so
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: popular with, you know, it starts off, I mean, The
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Grateful Dead started off as like kind of scary, like
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: art rock, acid, heavy acid. You had to be pretty brave,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: I think, to go see The Grateful Dead in 1968. Yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Because you were coming out on the other side. You
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, ooh, there was no micro-dosing,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: you know. And back then, you know, there was no
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: coward's dose, as I call it. Like, guess what? A
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: guy at Columbia University said I could take mushrooms. I'm like, what?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, read this article.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: What about all of us in the fucking trenches for years?
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: What about us all over here who bought a cow?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about all the brain damage we have? You
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? I could have told you that shit. Oh, dude.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: No brain damage. I'm just kidding.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: But see that? You said you like Cheech and Chong.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Think about it. Now we're talking about I took a microdose.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I'm happy, by the way. Don't take my being sarcastic wrong.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Whatever it takes to get you through the night to
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: have a nice life. And deal. I'm happy. But, you know,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: like in Cheech and Chong, when he's like, he goes,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: that's the most acid I ever saw him take. He's like, oh,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, he's like laughing at her. Like,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: that's the drug scene we grew up in. Like, go ahead, man.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: I hope you have like a month. You know what
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Look at him right there. People don't even realize how
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: much that scene has been used in other movies since then.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: because of that scene, right? It kind of goes back
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: to like what we were talking about earlier.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: That's false advertising, that. I always, my favorite shit in
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: the whole movie, though, is the thing when he's like, yeah,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: these are waiter uniforms. He's like, yeah, man, we want
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: to look the same, but different, you know, like a band,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: you know? It's the fucking, anytime, you know, someone's like, yeah,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: they look like a band, you know?
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Curtis, man. Oh, I don't even remember that.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: My brain's a little bit bad sometimes. I think I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: had an amnesia. Fuck, I don't know what it's called. Good,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: at least it took away whatever it's called.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: You got kicked in the head by a mule? Is
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: that what it's called? Wherever your brain is, there's fucking
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: something wrong with it. I think I got that, bro.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, something happened to my brain. I got
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: kicked in the head by a mule.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Was there an artist's death over the years? I mean,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: I know that's a weird question, but was there like
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: an artist's death that you feel like, had the most
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: effect on you as a musician kind of? Or just
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: as like a human being, I guess?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, yeah, but probably my personal
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: friends who have passed away who are great musicians have
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: always affected me. Todd Schneider passing away, dear friend.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Bring up a picture of him.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Special, special person. Freak. Freak in the world. Lovely, lovely person.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I had a very special friendship with him. Very sad. But, like,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: big people that I don't know or whatever, like, when
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Prince died, I was— Dude. Because I grew up— I mean,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I fucking love Prince so much.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Prince hurt a lot of people. Like, I remember a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: lot of my friends being a lot more shocked than
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: I thought they would when Prince died.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: I thought Prince would have got a little more murals
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: and t-shirts, but it looked like David Bowie got all that.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: And I love David Bowie too, but I was like,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: I just, I mean, Prince, ever since I, you know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I grew up in Atlanta when I was like, before
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I got into like rock and like sort of punk
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: and indie rock scene, I played a little high school
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: basketball and I was obsessed with funk and Pete Funk Records,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: George Clinton, but I was there like Zap, Gap Band, SOS, Slave, Prince,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: The Time, Vanity Six. I was like Rick James. Dude,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: that's sick. I loved Rick James, man. As a matter
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: of fact, I have a scar under here. Rick James
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: was playing the Cool Jazz Festival at the old Atlanta
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Fulton County Stadium, and my dad knew a DJ at V103.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: fm which was like the funk station so this is
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: kind of all before like rap music takes over and
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: i had tickets to go to go see rick james
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: and cameo who i mean cameo was the other one
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: that i loved and frankie beverly and maize was on
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: there a bunch of bunch of r & b bands
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: and my friend had got a bottle of vodka and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: we got so fucked up the day before that i
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: jumped in this my parents found me in the neighborhood
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: swimming pool in the shallow end with my I jumped
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: in and my chin was cut open. I was bleeding
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: in the pool and people were like, get the fuck
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: out of the pool, man. I was 15 years old.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to get out of the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: fucking pool. You get out of the fucking pool. I mean,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: I'm out of my mind. And I look up and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: there's my mom and dad or my brother and I
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: had missed basketball, like spring basketball practice or whatever. My
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: dad's like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: you bleeding in the pool? I was like, what? And
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: I got in the car and I was just like, hey,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: another thing. You guys know that Rick James had a hovercraft?
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: He fucking does. I mean, I'm pretty sure he does. Whatever.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just drunk, my brother. like, you need to fucking
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: smell like booze and you need to shut the fuck up.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like bleeding. I go get stitched up. I go home.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I pass out. My dad fucking kicks me awake at
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: like fucking five in the morning. I have a full
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: grown up hangover. It's five in the morning. He's like,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: we're going for a run. We fucking run three miles.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Stan?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: It was like the great Stan Tini. We run three miles.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't throw up or anything. We got to like
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: the last 50 yards and he was like, man, you
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: know you're not going to that fucking concert today. I
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: was like, God damn.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: He said no.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: He said, you fucked up yesterday. What do you think?
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: What did they do? Guilt me. What do you think
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: your mother thinks? She's probably happy that I'm safe and all.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: they never let you answer that what's done is done
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: father yeah they never let you answer that so I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: never saw Rick James.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: Did you uh that is a that is a bad
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: one oh dude one of the first shows I ever
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: went to Smashing Pumpkins actually my buddy and I had
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: a pedophile that dropped us off at um Marilyn Manson
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: when we were underage we were probably I think 14,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: 15 he dropped us off at Marilyn Manson at the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Rendon Inn over there in New Orleans which was pretty
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: wild um But the first concert.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: You have like an exorbitant amount of pedos in your neighborhood.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: You know that, right? I mean.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: We were kind of kids who were like looking for
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: like people to be around. And so I didn't.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Who's around are like creepy dudes. I'll take you guys. Yeah. Yeah, totally.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: So it's always like, oh, we, you know, and you
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: don't realize there are guys that pedo. You think he's
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: just a cool guy. Then you get older. You're like, oh,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: that guy was 37 hanging out with us.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: You know, smoking pot and fucking trying to.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Hey, I'll wait for you guys in the parking lot.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Trying to tickle everybody.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Horrible. It's so gross. It was crazy.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Dude, the craziest part was, though, my best friend Scott,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: his dad knew the guy who was like the pedo guy,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: this one guy, Mr. Richard. So I would write letters
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: from Mr. Richard to my buddy Scott and mail them
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: to his house all the time.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: That's fucked up.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: And his stepdad was- And good shit. That's good shit, too.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: I like the, you know, you're just- That's the shit
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I love, bro.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: I know. Just the psychological torture. Yes. Yeah, I get it.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: And his stepdad would be like, oh, you still talking
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: to this motherfucker? And he'd come in and just throw
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the fucking mail right at him. And they already had
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: the worst relationship.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: And he didn't know, right? No, he had no idea.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: He thought it was the real guy.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: No idea, dude. I'd send him like four Christmas cards
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: every year from this dude, bro. Because when you're a pedophile,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: I bet they fucking love Christmas, I bet.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: You know? I mean, yeah.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Because it's just an old dude stopping in and getting
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: fucking and relating with children. That's all it is.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Dude, look at the old Christmas pictures. Your parents took
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: you down to some guy, some drunk in a beard,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: and you sat on his lap. He's like, you know
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: what I mean? I'm sure. If Boy Scout guys are pedos,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: then the Santa guys, there had to be one, one
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: or two. It's like, oh, we went to the Easter Bunny.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: I know the Easter Bunny had an erection. You know
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: what I mean? How could you tell? I could just
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: fucking tell. You know what I mean? And it wasn't
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: about pagan rabbit fucking. This was real.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: No, this is real.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: God-given.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: Blood to muscle erection.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The science of the thing.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Somebody's a pedophile
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: and their friend is just the scientific guy.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: It's the science of the thing. You know, it's a
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: scientific thing.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: You've gotten open and have opened for you like so
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: many amazing groups. Is there like a tour or a
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: part of... like your music or I guess even maybe
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: your musical life that you would go back to and,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: and redo if you could kind of, I know you
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: said you're not a go back guy.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is what it is. You know what I mean? Like, again, I,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: and I've had the opportunity in life if I've made,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Uh, if I, if I,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: if there was something that, that I felt what, that,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: that I was involved in when that was rude, I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: don't know, whatever. I've had the opportunity to tell people, man,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: that was fucked up. You know what I mean? Whatever.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it. I wouldn't say it if
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't mean it. But I don't care to change anything.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: You know, they say, what's your letter to your younger self?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if that would have meant anything.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. What younger self would give a fuck?
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because I was saying the other day, like,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I love Steven Tyler. He's been supportive. He's a friend.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I'm always there for him. And I was telling the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: story when we sold a lot of records on the
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: first record, he called me and goes, save your money, man.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm 24. I'm like, I'm not
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: saving my money. Like, I love you. And I appreciate
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: the wisdom because you've been through it all in this business.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: I've made one record. You know what I mean? Like I,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I appreciate, I did appreciate the advice, but I was
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: also like, I'm a, I, No way. Am I, no
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: way is this, I'm not just made the first record
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: and had this success and now's the time to play
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: it safe. You know what I mean? I was like, well,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense to me.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. Did you get something, did you
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: ever get something that was pretty wild kind of like
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: something cool?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: No. Like a skull or something like a human bone
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: or whatever? I mean, someone gifted me a human skull later. Um,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: that was through weird Grateful Dead stuff. There was no
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: members of the Grateful Deads.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: It was like at a park and like a, like
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: a trade, like at one of those.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: No, no. Somebody gave it to me. But I, you
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: know what man, I, my, my extravagance has always been
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: the same. I like clothes and I like travel. I
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: like to travel. I'm obsessive. Uh, I'm obsessed with food.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with, cuisines from my travels and around the
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: world like grapes and stuff like that food just the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: food you know what I mean yeah um a lot
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: of my downtime when we travel is based around food
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: so that's a bit bougie but really all I spend
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: money on truly is uh books and records you know
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: I've been collecting records since I was 12 um and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: books as well so It's just a giant clusterfuck of,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I moved out of my parents' house in
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: 1987 with just cases of records and boxes of books,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: and it's still the same thing, kind of. Yeah. But, yeah,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not a car guy. Yeah. I don't have, like,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: rare guitars and shit.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I don't really, like, I don't really spend
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: money on almost anything. I kind of, I care about it,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: but I guess you're right. Like, getting to go places,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: I'm realizing, is a little bit more important. I was
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: just in, have you been to Oahu?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: No. No, I was in Kauai once.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I went to Oahu. They had
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: like a surf competition going on. It's like a real one,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Not like the Brady Bunch?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Right, but yeah, they had this competition was going on.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: But it only happens if the weather permits. So like
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: each morning, you kind of have to get there and see.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: If it- And hope that the conditions are- Yeah, and hope.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: That the conditions are cool. But it's pretty incredible just
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: to- When.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: I go to the ocean things, I like to go
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: to Jamaica. I have a lot of.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: You ever see Diplo down there? I think he has
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: a house down there.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: He's a DJ. I've never been invited. I'm kind of
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: in the country, too. A place called Bluefield. It's been very... Bluefields, Jamaica?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Bluefields Bay, yeah. In Westmoreland. There's Bluefields, yeah. Actually, I
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: stayed at that place, the second one to the left. Yeah,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I stayed at that place. No way. A long time ago. Wild.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: But the hurricane was brutal there. Brutal. Brutal. It was
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: really sad. But Jamaicans are incredible people.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: So that's your place if you choose to go to
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: a beach that's your spot?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: I like to go to Jamaica, yeah. I like Jamaicans.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: I like Jamaican food.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Bananas and meat.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I like sweet sop and sour sops. There you go.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, that looks good.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: We have a Jamaican dog that's named Bami. Bami. Because
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: in Jamaica, we eat a cassava root that's kind of
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: deep fried like a hash brown. It's called bami. There's
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: a piece of bami. So that's kind of the color
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: of our dog when we found her. She was a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: street dog in Jamaica.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, did you ever meet that guy down there, McAfee,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: that virus guy? You ever meet that guy?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: No, when I go, I've been going for years. We
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: always just take off to the country. You know what
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Just chill.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I have really close people there, the most soulful people.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Incredible people. And we just fucking play dominoes and laugh.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: And there's Bambi Longface. It's our Jamaican dog.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: That's a nice animal, huh?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: She's the best. She has another name. The perfect one.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: You've always been an animal lover?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: Yes. We have a cool cat, too. Yes, I love pets.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I love having pets. But I didn't have rabbits and
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: you know, guinea pigs and horses. No, I love horses.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: I don't ride, but I love them. Yeah. My wife's
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: a horse girl.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not good on them.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I've done it. I mean, it's fun. I liked it.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: I like, I would be, I wish I'd grown up. Um,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: we didn't do shit in my house. That's why I
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: was busy watching all these weird movies and getting weird
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: and listening to records. You know what I mean? I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: did play little league football and I did martial arts
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: when we were kids and, played basketball. You know what
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: I mean? I did shit like that. And when I
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: was a kid, you know what? I liked to fish
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Oh, fishing's fun, huh? I
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: haven't done it in like 40, 50 years. I don't know. Really?
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: You haven't done it in that long?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Who took you fishing?
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: My racist uncle Bruce. Yeah. Yeah. Cause my dad didn't
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: really give a fuck about fishing. Yeah. Sometimes, but I
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: didn't know he, I didn't know he was like that then,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: but I liked it cause we would go down to
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Florida and do saltwater fishing. And then being in Georgia,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: we would do bass fishing and stuff. It was fun
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, but I haven't done shit
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: like that forever. Yeah. Sometimes I'm too busy reading Jean Cocteau.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, one, one more question about, uh, music. And
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: then I want to hear a little bit more about
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: your new album. Um, And the new album, it's called
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: A Pound of Feathers.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: The band made a record called A Pound of Feathers.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: The band, in this case, was just me and Rich
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: and our drummer, Cully. In this record, we went in
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: the studio without any songs. We just had some ideas
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: and riffs. And we wanted to do it that way.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that was more spontaneous and
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: on the fly, really, and see where that took us
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: you know so we ended up my joke with friends
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: was we could have done it in five days if
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: we had written any songs but it took eight or
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: nine days or whatever for the whole album yeah yeah
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: it was beautiful you know what i mean we were
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: on a roll we we i mean rich has parts
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: and i have i will i'll go and have like
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: five or six notebooks full of ideas but that doesn't
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: mean anything either because a lot of times i'll just
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: pull things out of the sky or whatever um No
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: matter what, the world changes. We're talking about buying snow
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: tires and blowjobs for program directors at rock radio stations
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: The good old days, Reaganomics.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you could sell some fucking records too. Yeah, dude,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: that was fucking Reaganomics. For us, it's always like that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: was just a part of the business that was adjacent
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: to what we loved and wanted to do, playing in
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: a band. And it's funny because all these years later,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: we realized that making records, you know, we're not going
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: to be, we're not going to have, we're not going
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: to sell many records. We're not going to sell any records,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: but this is what it is. But for us to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: get in there and to know, you know, and to
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: feel that way and to realize like, look, man, when
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: we got started, we didn't know shit, except we knew
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: what was authentic and real in our hearts and what,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: music meant to us. And if we're going to join,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, when our, our first record came out, I'm like, dude,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: we're in, look, you can go in a record store
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: and there's black crows records, but there's John Coltrane records.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Brian Adams, Leonard Cohen.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. And other Canadians as well. But, or whoever,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: you know, the multitude of things that, that we loved
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: in the time, you know, how important record stores were.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: that we're a part of something meant something to us.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: It still does. And that we can still have a
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: vibrancy about what it is we want to do and say, um,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: that we can have those moments where I'm sitting there
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: and we're writing these songs and it works. And I
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: don't care if it works again in, in other, uh,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: in another construct, it works for me and my brother.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Cause this is, we wrote, started writing some songs at
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: mom and dad's and, you know, here we are. Yeah.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: And it's, and now our songs are in people's lives
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: and that kind of thing, but that it's still fucking
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: energy that I like that I can look around and
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: the fucking darkened time that we're in and muster the
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: vibes to make something and feel, this is what I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: want to say. My poetry doesn't have to have any
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: message other than it's humanity, other than, you know what
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: The connection I want through the things that I've done,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: the things that I am, the things that I dream up,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: my imagination, you know what I mean? I always laugh because,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: have you ever seen Barton Fink, the movie Barton Fink,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: the Coen Brothers movie? No.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: Actually, I think I tried to watch it. Let me
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: see a picture of it.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: John Turturro plays this guy who goes to L.A. It's
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: a movie about writer's block.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: It looks just like Eraserhead.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. But there's a scene in the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: movie with a writer. He befriends another writer who's a
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Southern guy, and he's kind of, I guess, based on, like,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: William Faulkner or something was in California. I don't know,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: but he has this real, Barton Fink's really passionate. You
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: write for the common man. And how do you, you know,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: how does, how, where do the words come from that
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: you could communicate like that? And he, and he's a drunk,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: the other writer, and he's from the South and he goes, well, Barton,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: I like to make things up. And I was like,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's it. You know what I mean? Like,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: it kind of is what it is. And it's the
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: same things. I, I don't have a toolbox at home,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: but I like to write and I like to, you know,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: I like to dream. And this is a dreamer's paradise.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: I've made, I've made my own reality out of my
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: limitations as a like fully functional like person because of
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: whatever the way my mind works. And it helps if
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: you sing good, whatever, you know what I mean? And
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: you like to, get on stage and keep people interested.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: There's a bit of the old, it's like Bob Dylan says,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: I'm a song and dance man, you know what I mean?
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: So I'm that as well.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, the other night a girl was talking about
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: her music for so long that she got up and
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: sang for me, and it was some of the worst
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: stuff I've ever heard. And for 70% of our time together,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: I was there with her, and then it fell apart
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: in that last 30%. So I think the sharing it.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: The how you share it is right.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: But I do think it's interesting... Like, it is a
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: dreamer's paradise. And one thing that you don't want to lose, like,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: no matter how, like, bleak times seem or how dark
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: certain things are that are going on, is that we
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: have to stay creative, right? Like, as much as it
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: hurts or as it's tough or it's, like, it's not
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: easy to sit and do, to think of, like, oh,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: I can be creative right now. I think if we
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: lose that, then that's going to be really bad, you know?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Agreed. Agreed. I mean, and that's... Again, I think the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: inspiration of all of these things we are seeing have
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: all been played out before. We've seen it. And the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: reality of that is we'll see this come to some
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: sort of look. Like I said, who knows between then
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: and there. But I refuse to... I refuse to... allowed
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: defeatism to rule my life i refuse to let the
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: fear and ignorance of the whole thing dictate my my
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: every fucking thing yeah you know what i mean because
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: i i don't know because i think you had like
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: you said you have to and i and i'm And.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: We can get addicted to the new, you get addicted
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: to that stuff. And then it takes over your time.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: It takes you of your life and it takes your
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: flame down and it takes your, and you're like, what
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: am I doing here?
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: You know, it might be, I mean, it's not even
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: escapism to me because I need to, when we were
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: talking earlier about how I have to keep my head
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: or I have to devote myself to whatever the thing is,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: it's the muse that keeps my creative energy where I
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: want it to be and what it means. Um, in this,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: in the exact same respect, if these things, these things
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: cycle through people, you, yeah, it's proven again, you can't stop.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And I don't know. I,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: I feel, I feel like, I feel like I, you can't, again,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not, I don't want to put my head in
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: the sand cause that doesn't help. Yeah. But I do realize, uh,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: that we're on the beach. Oh, yeah. Well, I do realize, too,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: that there's a lot of footprints on the beach. You
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? People have been coming to this
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: beach for a long fucking time. We just kind of
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: have to remember that as well.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, people romanticize and they, in any
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: time in history, tyrants and people who, kings who have
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: become deranged and You know, the abuse of power and
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: ego and all these things. And you can see what happens.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You see, you know what
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: I mean? It goes for a while, but then it's
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: over because humans don't play that, you know?
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: If there's like a song that we use when we
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: ride in a battle, say this has to happen, right?
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: And we won't put you on a horse or me.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: I'll be in the back. I'll be the medic.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: I think catering would be better for me. I don't know.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Can I still get a medal? You know what I mean?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: At least, you know, the catering will be like very enjoyable.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, sorry, sorry, El Comandante.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: That's the wrong white wine with the Branzino.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Do we, what song do we listen to when we're
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: riding a battle, do you think? Maybe it doesn't have
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: to be like the perfect song, but what's a good one?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely not Onward Christian Soldiers. That doesn't have
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: a good beat. I can't dance to it. I don't know.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Would it be It's a Long Way to the Top
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: if you want to rock and roll by ACDC? That
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: might be a good one. Yeah.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Play that real quick. I want to make sure that
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: I'm on the right one of that.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: You had it.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: I did?
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: What about your new tour? Can you tell us? Obviously,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: it's tougher touring now. Is there anything that's super different
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: about it?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: There it is.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, Whiskey Myers. That's right. I saw you guys at Ascend,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: I think, like two years ago. And then I saw
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: you in New Orleans, like. I think it might have
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: been the 90s probably, or no, maybe 2000s.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we've put many times. This tour is
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: going to be super fun, you know what I mean?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: They're a little bit country, and we're a little bit
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: rock and roll, and we're a little bit country, they're
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: a little bit rock and roll too. Got to work
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: on that chorus, Donny and Marie. What the fuck? Yeah,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, touring, you know, I still love it. I
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: still think there's a lot of adventure to have, and
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: it's kind of some of the things we were talking about,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: There will be someone I never met. There will be,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: you know, we have a good time. It should be fun.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: You know, touring's fun. It's called playing music. It's fun.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: It's hard sometimes when you get older and the crowd is,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: you know, people's phones put up sometimes a wall between
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: what we want to put out and what we want
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: y'all to pick up.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good statement.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: You know, because now it used to be like this
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: and now it's, you know, what? Oh yeah. Or, Oh yeah.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Instead of really feeling the music and hearing the music
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: and seeing where that could take you. That being said,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: I don't police anybody. You know what I mean? Like
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: y'all do what you want to do. I'm so happy
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: that you bought a ticket, no matter how you get there,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: what you do when you get there. That's up to you.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that as a guy who's spent this
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: fucking lot of time on stage. And I'm the type
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: of performer who I need it. You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: I need something back. It feels good. That's when stuff
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: ceases to, it just flows all together. And those are
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the shows and the moments that aren't hard. You know
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Yes. And those are the ones where
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, this is beautiful. This is everything.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: And we have that more than we don't.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I know what you're saying. I noticed that
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: even when I've done that and I noticed how it feels.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: I went to see Aerosmith when they were playing Las
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Vegas when they had the– this was like maybe three,
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: four years ago.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, their residency there. Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: And there was one time when– when Steven Tyler came
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: right over by me and I was like trying to
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: get my father and I like, like miss this moment.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: I still just feel bad. I still think about, man,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: what was I doing? You know, like what was I doing?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: So instead of just, you.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Know, let the quick silver that is Steven, like envelop
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: you as he went by.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, I still, yeah. The best dude. Um, Chris Robinson.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much, man. I appreciate it.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: I appreciate your time. Thanks for all the music. Thanks
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: for all the excitement over the years. Yeah, just the
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: time to get to come see you. Me and my
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: brother still talk about the Crows, so we still listen
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: to it together. So thank you so much, man.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man. Yep. Tell your brother I said hey.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: I will, dude.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Does he have big muscles?
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: No, no, but he's a smart guy. And he's kind
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: of like your brother, I think. He's probably the sweetest.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: I think he's like the sweeter one of us. He's
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: a sweet guy, but just like he's a nice guy.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: Tell Rich I said hello.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: I will, of course. He'll love it.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: Thank you, brother.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: Cheers. Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: of mind I found I can feel it in my
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: bones