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Can women rise above shame and fear to take responsibility? | Fundzerker · Honey Badger Radio

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  H there we go. Hello everyone, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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  My name is Brian. Im you with Alison and this is well another fun
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  deserker request from one of our supporters. We're going to be looking at a
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  video interview between Louise Perry, who you guys might remember from the Triggerometry video
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  that we looked at earlier this week, and someone we haven't heard from in
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  a long time, Cassie j the director of the Red Pill documentary. So
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  it should be interesting because Cassie has been kind of out of the out of
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  the public light for a while, and you know, this is like I
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  don't want I don't want to say it's her return because I think that she's
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  kind of making it a point to sort of lay low and I understand that.
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  So but but yeah, so we got some Yeah, she's got kids
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  to raise and you know, a family and all that. So no time
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  for all this drama out of out of her semi retirement to talk on on
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  Doctor Phil You remember that. Yeah, I don't know how old that was.
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  I don't know how it was pretty old. It was after it was
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  after Angeloucci Mark Angeloucies passed away. So that's a couple of years ago at
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  least, But I don't know how old that is. I know that it
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  was on Warren Farrell's channel recently, yes, but it's hard to know whether
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  or not. Yeah, like when it was not only when it was put
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  out, but when it was shot because a lot of times they'll shoot these
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  things and then you won't see it for like a year and then you know,
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  so it pops out of nowhere. But I just yeah, that moment
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  where you see on Warren Ferrell's face, he's just like, there's no salvaging
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  this, there's no there These are not serious people, and he's just like
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  he's trying to get those last words in before the camera pans away from him.
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  Remember that. Yeah, it's the best that you're known for, really
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  is to like drop, you know, just a little like hey, little
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  red pill, sprinkle in something, and then just like walk away, you
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  know. Yeah. So Warren Ferrell and Cassie j are the two nicest people
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  this side of the pond or the side of the chasm. I think you
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  could say they're there on this side of the chasm with us orbates the very
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  Yeah, sure, this side of the chasm with us reprobates by the usual
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  suspects. But yeah, so in this video, Cassie is covering a lot
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  of the backlash she got against having done The Red Pill is if you guys
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  don't know, The Red Pill is a documentary on the men's rights movement.
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  It's sort of circa two thousand and fortune seventeen. Well, she started it
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  probably, but I think it came out around twenty fifteen, twenty six.
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  Well, yeah, because in twenty seventeen we were in Australia and that was
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  when she went on to the Australian media and that was like a big thing.
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  Yeah. Yeah, they treated her terribly, just awful. And I
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  think we actually predicted that a a in a cartoon that we put out prior
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  to her Astralian tour, the reporter who is reporting on her work says,
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  we have to censor you for the Australian public and public ess. Yeah,
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  and I think that we actually did that before. What happened in Australia happened
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  in Australia. But because it's easy to predict, right, Australia is one
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  of the most very easy to predict, very fous like control media environment.
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  Yeah, most places, most places are pretty paused like there, that's pretty
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  much a given. Australia is one of the worst, which is which is
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  crazy because I thought Australians were like hardy people toscend it from like herdened criminals
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  or something like. Imagine like if in the in the the environment from escape
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  from New York and if that was allowed to persist, and they were like
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  children, and over a number of generations they all of a sudden become like
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  really woke and soft. It's it's weird, but but I think it's like
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  more the urban But but what I wanted to say was The Red Pill is
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  a documentary on men's rights advocacy men's issues advocacy from about twenty fourteen, the
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  mount in twenty sixteen. So it has me in it has Karen in it,
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  you know, so people who are interested. Paul and also Marc Angeluci
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  I believe was in it, which yep, Harry Crouch, you know,
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  I think Bettina Arne was in it a little bit. Yeah, lot of
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  lots of the ogs and and it's sort of like a little time capsule of
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  all the things that could have been dealt with then and we wouldn't be dealing
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  with what we're dealing with now, you know. Yeah, I mean even
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  shoe on Head pointed that out. It's like, you know, way back
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  when they were just concerned about fairness and family courts and recognizing male victims of
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  false accusation and sexual assault, and now what it is, oh man,
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  And yeah, so it's it's it's just a little it's nice to see her
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  again, to see her actually talking about these issues and just you know,
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  know that she's still around really but yeah, oh, anyway, so let's
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  let's get into it, because she's talking about her trials and tribulations, trying
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  to bring attention to issues. Actually, sure, let's do the things first,
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  the funds necessary to continue this very good show. All right, let's get
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  started with all right, let's get into the video. And this is I
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  think Tonco sixteen thirty three. So I don't think it's going to go anywhere,
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  but I do think the anger, like the very visceral anger that came
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  out of the mainstream media that we're reporting on the film, that's what got
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  the you know, the ball rolling. And I guess that's why they say
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  any press is good press, because that's it's like a lot of the really
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  bad press we got early on that weren't necessarily to the film. It was
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  attacking the idea behind the film. It wasn't actually the filmmaking itself. Yeah,
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  of course, because well I'm just pausing for the banana just to make
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  sure that we're safe on that. But yeah, I think yes, they
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  found the premise of even making the film ridiculous and that was like, that
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  was what was essentially so controversial anyway, Well, I mean it it goes
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  against the power narrative I was talking before when we were talking about like Lewis
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  Perry and the previous episode that we covered of trigonometry, it's the power narrative.
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  It's the narrative that men oppressed women and society's made for men's benefit,
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  and that actually constructs a narrative of controlling men, so controlling their identity,
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  controlling what they take a sense of worth from and all of that. It's
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  all about that control. And the one thing that is actual counter evidence to
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  the quote patriarchy narrative is men's issues, because regardless of men are in power,
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  if the situation for women is better than the situation for men as a
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  result of men being in power, then men are not oppressing women full stop.
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  So when you look at the situation for men, which aren't men's issues,
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  right, that's the situation for men it's basically looking at how society treats
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  men. And when you look at that and you say, oh wow,
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  when you start to recognize it, you have to bring it into that equation
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  and then it just destroys the narrative because again, if the situation for men
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  is better or worse than the situation for women, then even though men are
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  in power, or are in authority, or are in positions of expectation and
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  responsibility, that doesn't mean that women are less or worse off because of it.
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  Right, The two do not follow. So the whole documentary that she
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  was presenting, and she was presenting things that she earnestly and honestly believed in.
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  Right, she she felt that these were issues that needed attention, and
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  I mean I think in particular the issues and circumcision really got to her.
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  So infant genital autonomy are or you know, like not cutting into the genitals
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  of boys. And I don't care like you can you can look at it
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  like this, whatever you think of that you're cutting off of a boy when
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  you take him to be circumcised, think of cutting that off a girl.
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  Does that Does that work for you? And the answer is no, No
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  matter what we will not accept it. You know, we would not accept
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  cutting something off of a girl, especially not without anesthetic, and yet that's
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  what we routinely do to boys. And this is the issue that really got
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  to her. She has a genuine concern about these issues. I believe she's
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  a very genuine like she has compassion, and her compassion led her to be
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  concerned about these issues. And I imagine, like me, at one point,
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  I thought society was just well, they just don't know, you know,
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  they just don't they don't don't realize the extent of and we just bring
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  attention to it and people will care. And then you hit the wall of
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  fury and contempt, like the over reaction, and then you have to ask,
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  well, why, why why are they reacting to this degree, Why
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  they're reacting in such an intensely negative way to even bringing up these issues,
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  you know, And that's really what starts people on this path of questioning these
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  institutional narratives and what they're actually doing. And then the true epic black hole
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  pill is realizing that they don't even care about women. No, they don't
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  even care about women. Women are just ciphers for the narrative to them.
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  Yeah, it's just a method. It's the avenue to power. And so
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  they so they meet that means that they have to one hundred percent know that
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  the impression narrative is a lie, because if the impression narrative were true,
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  women couldn't be used as a vessel to gain power and resources. And yet
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  they do, right, yeah, exactly, the perceived They don't even have
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  to be real harms. They could be like presumed harms, perceived harms,
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  you know, narratives about harm, you know, And and it's enough to
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  motivate men and women to like rush to that and like, you know,
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  plant the flag there and say this is something we care about. And they
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  know that, so they they have That's what I'm saying. They're not stupid,
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  they're lying, they and they know it works. So but anyway,
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  in the structure of it, it's like, we exist in a society that
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  doesn't care. This is the narrative. We exist in a society that doesn't
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  care about harms against women. Yes, yeah, Now now I'm going to
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  use a narrative that appeals to people that care about harms against women. It
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  just doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't compute, it's it's self contradictory.
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  It's its own and counter argument. All right, all right, let's play
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  some more of the video. Yeah, that's what made people want to then
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  watch it to have a debate. And I love that. That's why I
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  went into documentary filmmaking to begin with. Was I just wanted to share a
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  different perspective, not necessarily preach any message of my own, but but let
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  it be a conversation starter. And you know, one of my favorite things
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  I do with the people I love in my life is we just have really
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  deep philosophical conversations about anything. But we like to play Devil's advocate. And
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  all right, I think that I went a little over the time code,
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  but I will say that having spent a little bit of time with Cassie,
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  uh, I remember we were all like it was like after I see my
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  twenty eighteen I think. So. It was in London, and it was
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  after all of the you know, like the days of presentations, and we
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  were just like having drinks and dinner and I was sitting I was fortunate enough
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  to sit at the table with Cassie and her husband. I don't know if
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  they were married yet. I think they were though at that point I know
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  he was he was a fiance kind of like for a long period of time,
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  you know, she wasn't sure if she wanted to marry him or have
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  kids because she was still like feminist brained. And then after she did her
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  thing and then she was like, yeah, I decided I'm going to marry
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  this guy and I'm gonna have kids with him. And now she's a mother
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  and she's very happy about it. But I remember us having some pretty deep
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  conversations that that day, and I could tell that it was something that excited
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  her, and I, you know, I have to say that, like,
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  this is the thing I love about Lindsay is that we have the best
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  conversations. Like every morning we're having coffee and talking about really deep stuff,
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  assuming there's time, you know. So yeah, I appreciate that. It's
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  like, I don't know, it's kind of like it's peaceful, even if
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  it's even if if the conversation get a little bit I don't even want to
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  say antagonistic, but disagreeable, you know, but I'm usually I'm usually right
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  though, so it's okay, kidding, I'm kidding anyway. You know what's
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  really great about this is that she escaped from the narrative. Yeah, that's
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  right, she's free. That's that is it is true. And when you're
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  free, when you're free as a woman, you're free to structure your life
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  in whatever way you feel benefits you and hopefully, you know, also your
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  family. And actually, because that's really when you escape the narrative, you
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  learn that benefiting your partner, benefiting your family is not a bad thing.
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  So you're free to do it, and you're free to take that positive sense
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  of self from being of service to others. And I think that that's that's
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  like the big thing for I think that's what we see with her, like
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  that's she She has said that it improved her relationship to go of this baggage,
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  you know, and I think it allowed her to move on in her
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  life and to arrange your life in the way that she felt was best for
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  her, as opposed to just in a way that was appropriate. As a
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  cipher for well, a cipher for the institutions. Yeah, yeah, all
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  right, So let's go ahead to the next time. Code is not much,
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  it's not much. Yeah, that's the end. No, No,
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  that's it finished it. I will jump to eighteen nineteen right here. Well,
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  maybe I will find it would make me angry or something like that.
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  You know, no, this is Louise Perry reflecting on having watched the movie
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  herself, so just you know what she's what the context is, not the
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  fact of the film or anything, but just that sort of listening to the
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  argument. It didn't make me feel angry. And I think that the I
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  think the film is balanced, and I think it does a good job.
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  And you hear people Aaron Pusy very interesting to hear from. You know,
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  I think it's good film that the men's up acts as arguments, they kind
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  of they gave me the ick. That was that was if that was the
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  physical response I had from it. And I spoke actually to a male friend
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  this morning about this because he who's also seen the film. We were talking
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  about I want to pause it there for a second, Okay, to be
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  charitable to Louise Perry, I think that the gut she's talking about a gut
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  reaction when she says the ick. I think that for anybody, even even
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  men too, to watch The Red Bill and see men that are presented as
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  vulnerable or affected or victimized by these systems, I think it's going to make
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  us all uncomfortable. That's what she's saying, right, So it's fair.
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  Now, I think using the ick is you know, it's coded, I
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  guess as like a weird female thing, because now nowadays all kinds of shit
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  gives women the ick and to the point where it's like it's very easy to
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  dismiss. But I think in the case of her reaction to this movie,
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  it's good that one that she had that feeling, because I think it's normal
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  for most people. If I showed it to like my father, he would
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  probably have a similar reaction like what do you mean? You know, But
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  also her acknowledgment that it's irrational, because ultimately that is what she's saying it.
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  I don't know, I think it makes sense as well. So I
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  wanted to point something out because it occurred to me while I'm listening to this
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  people say, Okay, the current crop of feminist reflections of manhood. I'm
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  not even going to say their names, because they're just a current crop of
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  basically reactions to feminist framing of manhood in our society's contempt towards men who have
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  needs. I mean, basically, all they're doing is trying to abide by
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  women's desire not to see men's vulnerability because like she's I trust her when she
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  says that she has the ick, and I trust that. That is the
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  visceral response of most women to men having vulnerabilities and have men having weaknesses.
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  Now imagine men knowing this, men knowing that women have political power and their
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  inherent response to men's needs is discussed right now, what kind of reaction is
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  that going to be? Like if you were a woman and you knew and
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  you knew that the more power men gain and they have an absolute disgust response
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  to your vulnerability, to your weakness. Like if you are a woman and
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  you start crying in front of a man, he just sneers at you and
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  walks away, you know, And it's just like the instant you look vulnerable
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  as a woman, you know that you lose all sexual value as a woman,
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  and then you see men gaining political power. Well, how would that
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  feel? Like mm hmm, Like you know that men have no inherit like
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  you. It's hard for moving to imagine that. They try to pretend like
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  that's actually true, but it isn't. And that's why they use all these
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  narratives of being damsels, of being afraid of all those other men, of
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  saying, oh, I'd rather choose the bear. Well, you rather choose
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  the bear because the man listening to you actually cares. Let's be honest,
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  you say that because the man listening cares, you are You're you're hoping to
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  use it against them emotionally, and it works, and it works. So
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  imagine, and I don't hear men saying things like this that women vulnerability gives
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  them the ick, like the moment a woman looks vulnerable, that they are
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  completely demotivated to have anything to do with them. And it would be interesting
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  society that if that was the case, and it certainly isn't, because you
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  can even look at popular media. What's the simplest plot line that they use
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  in games all the time? Just save them, Just save the princess because
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  she needs she's vulnerable and she needs you. That's the easiest plot line.
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  It's the one that feminists constantly call out is being ubiquitous. You know,
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  so they recognize that that exists, that that affectations of female vulnerability motivate men.
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  They don't demotivate men. They don't A man doesn't look at a woman
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  who's vulnerable, and you know, it's just like I don't want to have
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  anything to do with her. She's become disgusting and has lost all of her
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  sexual appeal, all of it. Like she's she's a non person now because
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  she's vulnerable. And yet that's what men have to deal with. And you
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  wonder why the more society demonstrates this fact, the more women demonstrate this fact,
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  the more men become hardliners when it comes to giving women any kind of
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  political clout over them. I think about it, Yeah, you got to
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  fix the ick, lady, you got to fix that ick. Oh yeah,
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  I know. Well, like I said, I think that she's she's
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  talking about her in her gut reaction when she first saw it, but I
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  think she's a little bit more favorable later. So you know, when I
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  listen to this, it just makes me feel very strange. I Mean,
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  sometimes I do slightly get the same kind of reaction, but for the most
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  part, I don't. When I see men suffering in some way, not
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  if they're presenting it in the same way that women do, that that can
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  sort of give me the that that feeling. But when you know a guy's
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  suffering because they don't present the way women do. They don't fall, they
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  don't ball up their fists, they don't have a tantrum like a child,
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  they don't cry, they don't get red and snotty. Men tend to just
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  be very quiet and still when they're in pain. And you know, I
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  have a reaction to that, and it's not the ick, So I don't
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  I just wonder if maybe I'm just supremely weird. I don't know. Yeah,
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  I think you are. Okay, let's play the rest of this.
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  And he said they also kind of gave him the ick in the same way.
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  So she said she showed it to a man and it gave him the
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  same feeling. That's kind of what I'm getting, Like, this is just
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  something, you know. It's, first of all, it's challenging fundamental beliefs
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  that we are all expected to hold. So that's one thing. The other
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  thing, too, I think, is that despite the fact that people want
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  to pretend as though men and women don't fall into certain roles in society,
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  either naturally or because of some cultural push to do so, when you see
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  women in a weakened state, you think that they're it's almost like you know
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  that there's an attack on like the unlike you know, like think of it
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  like a ship, Like there's something happening in the barracks, something that's happening
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  in the hearth. That's a problem we need to address because this is the
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  thing we're trying to protect, and so you rush to protect it. But
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  when it happens to a man, it's almost like there's like the whole integrity,
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  you know, like there's like that the outer the ring of protection is
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  showing weakness. And this might make men uncomfortable because now they're like, oh
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  crap, you know, like how are we going to defend our women if
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  men are in the state. But it also makes women uncomfortable because now they're
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  feeling like they're more vulnerable because you know what I'm saying, like, yeah,
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  the perimeter is weakened, right, and and that's what I think.
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  There's a she wouldn't say this word for word, but I think that there's
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  a gut reaction that says that. Right. So, and we don't want
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  we want to continue going on as though nothing is wrong on the perimeter.
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  Everything is fine, but it's but it's you know, while men are still
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  keeping things going, it's not as let's say, impenetrable as we were led
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  to believe, or at least these people. And I think that's one of
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  the reasons too, if that makes sense. I don't know, okay,
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  anyway, he and I was, I think what's going on there? And
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  I want to ask you in a second year how you feel about some of
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  these positions out years on. Is I think that it's really hard for men
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  to What Men's Raise activism kind of does is like flip the script on feminism.
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  It says, you know, okay, if you if you care about
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  general equality and treating men in them equally, here are all the ways when
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  we fall short on that, and here are all the ways in which men
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  are disadvantages and so on, and and like in the statistics and stuff that
• 26:03
  they're not wrong. Mostly I kind of disagree with the domestic violent stuff,
• 26:07
  but in general they're not. Well, that's probably because of the data she's
• 26:11
  got is the regular data that everybody else has. But the one like one
• 26:17
  thing that Pearl gets right is that she says that and we've said this too,
• 26:22
  like studies or statistics on issues like domestic violence and grape and so on,
• 26:30
  they're not useful because they only measure women, they don't measure men,
• 26:37
  So you can't you can't make any claims about any of this stuff because we
• 26:41
  frankly just don't have good data because whenever studies are conducted, they are conducted
• 26:45
  primarily because they're trying to look at how these things are affecting women. So
• 26:51
  it it colors like, you know, the outcomes are shifted or altered by
• 26:56
  that because the premise is, oh, how bad are women affected in domestic
• 27:00
  violence? Without asking like the situation for men at all. So of course
• 27:04
  she's going to say that. I think, you know, if she's if
• 27:08
  she's got integrity, she will remain open to the possibility that she's wrong.
• 27:14
  But she doesn't go into her like any specifics on the domestic violence front.
• 27:18
  So I'm not sure that it's super useful too, I mean, less you
• 27:22
  want to say something about this anyway. Domestic violence is not gendered. Sexual
• 27:27
  assault is not gendered. That's just not And we need to have we need
• 27:32
  to replace all of our statistics that we currently have, which are ideologically motivated,
• 27:37
  and yeah, do it at all of it, Yeah, with non
• 27:41
  ideologically motivated researchers, and then we'll have an accurate picture of prevalence. But
• 27:48
  even with ideological motivation, ideologically motivated researchers, we are still finding enough evidence
• 27:55
  that neither domestic violence nor sexual assault is gendered that you know, we can
• 28:00
  not in good conscience like this. The idea of blaming men for these two
• 28:04
  social ills is horrific. It is abysmal behavior. That's part of the reason
• 28:14
  why a lot of people fight so hard against the red pill and have such
• 28:18
  a reaction to it. Nobody wants to know that you are, in fact
• 28:21
  a horrible person. Yeah, Like, how horribly wrong you are about horribly
• 28:26
  wrong everything that you have invested your time and money and effort into. Yeah,
• 28:33
  and it is horrible. It is. There is very little that I
• 28:37
  have seen that anybody has brought up about the treatment of women that compares to
• 28:42
  blaming men for domestic violence and sexual assault. Like there's at that point you
• 28:48
  are stripping humanity from men. You are engaging in presenting wartime profit the equivalent
• 28:55
  of wartime propaganda against men. It is horrific and it is based on a
• 29:00
  lie. And I just don't know what to say, Like I cannot I
• 29:07
  can't have any sense of respect for institutions that do it and any sense that
• 29:14
  these are institutions that should continue into the future, like this is an appalling
• 29:18
  abuse of the trust, of the public trust. And not only is it
• 29:22
  an abuse of men, but when you get right down to it, it
• 29:26
  turns women into chattel for the domestic violence and sexual assault profit industry, So
• 29:36
  they don't care about what literally just maybe one hundred or so years ago,
• 29:41
  one hundred and such a few years ago that women were still viewed as chattel,
• 29:48
  like literally viewed seriously objection women are viewed as chattel by the sexual assault
• 29:56
  domestic violence profit industries. Mm hmm, okay, yeah, that's right,
• 30:02
  they're useful. Okay, let's finish the clip. It's more like it doesn't
• 30:07
  work men inhabiting men sort of qua men inhabiting the role of victimized class doesn't
• 30:15
  work on people. I think I think that there's a psychological response where both
• 30:19
  men and again and it's actually it's not just men and women. It's also
• 30:26
  it's also men, like it's I'm sorry, it's not it's mostly women.
• 30:30
  Like like there was one researcher who I think research like the ability to talk
• 30:38
  about things that happened in your life, and she didn't do any research on
• 30:44
  men until a man came up to her and said, you don't do research
• 30:45
  on men to you? And and she said no, and he said that's
• 30:48
  very convenient. And yeah, my female, my wife and my daughters would
• 30:56
  rather me die on my white horse then express my vulnerabilities. And it's not
• 31:04
  men doing it, it's women. It's women putting this pressure on men.
• 31:10
  It's women doing it. It's women who want men who are strong. And
• 31:15
  until we address that well once again, the young men who are becoming more
• 31:18
  and more aware of this know that their vulnerabilities aren't a call, like aren't
• 31:25
  a call for women to take responsibility and do something about them and protect them.
• 31:30
  Their vulnerabilities are a call to be regarded as sexually undesirable and put into
• 31:37
  the box of non person. And they see this group of people who has
• 31:41
  utter contempt for their needs or recognizing their sacrifices, gaining political power. Now
• 31:49
  do you understand why they would want to oppose that. It's very simple.
• 31:55
  It's because of the ick m all right. So before I read the super
• 32:00
  Child, I want to respond to this too and say that there is I
• 32:05
  don't know if Louise Perry meant to do this, So I'm not going to
• 32:07
  like try to say this is what she meant or not meant. I can't
• 32:12
  read minds, but it is interesting that she said men men as a victimized
• 32:20
  class does not work. And I want to just say that I don't think
• 32:24
  that any MRAs, not the ones that I know and talk to, have
• 32:30
  any interest in making men into a victim class. And they don't want to
• 32:37
  make women into a victim class either, because that creates a class struggle,
• 32:42
  which is not what we want. It's just about acknowledging when men individually are
• 32:49
  victimized by you know, various issues, and recognizing that the majority of issues
• 32:55
  that feminists fight for presume women as victim class. It's like the thing that
• 33:01
  you say about, like, you know, you don't want to do the
• 33:05
  things that feminists do with women for men, right, It's not we don't
• 33:08
  want to like call them a victimhood class. It doesn't work. Obviously,
• 33:14
  people don't feel the same kind of sympathy that it would be effective anyway.
• 33:17
  But you don't want to turn them into channel exactly, and men wouldn't respond
• 33:22
  well to it. There's a number of reasons why but when you have an
• 33:24
  individual man who has been false heques of something, lost his job, lost
• 33:30
  access to his kids, was you know, got boned in the divorce,
• 33:35
  was circumcise, and and it ruined his life for whatever reason, or any
• 33:38
  other number of issues, and we point to those and say these are problems,
• 33:43
  especially things like circumcision, like literally does not have to exist. That's
• 33:47
  not making men into a victimhood class. This is a common thing that feminists
• 33:52
  do. And I think that it's it's still like a like a there's like
• 33:57
  a I don't know, like a miasma in a over the whole conversation where
• 34:01
  everyone presumes that MRAs are just trying to do feminism and we're just not.
• 34:06
  We're just addressed, like trying to point out here are areas where men are
• 34:09
  disadvantaged or there are problems here that you call patriarchal that are just not gendered,
• 34:16
  and that we should be looking at these things in a way that takes
• 34:20
  the identities out of it and just do you know what is best for the
• 34:24
  child in whatever case it is, or for meritocracy or whatever. And they're
• 34:30
  thinking, oh, you're just trying to do the things that feminists do No,
• 34:34
  it's not even possible to grift on men's rights. It's just not like
• 34:39
  that. That's the only if you wanted to be a grifter. Not that
• 34:44
  that's what this is about. But I'm just saying, as an example,
• 34:46
  you would be subsidizing and supporting the cathedral you be a feminist, like you
• 34:51
  could make millions of dollars so and it wouldn't matter if you were saying anything
• 34:55
  true. So I just want to say that, and I'm not I'm not
• 35:00
  going to say that Louise Perry meant to do this, because I think this
• 35:05
  is very common, even for people who are non feminists, you know,
• 35:08
  to say that MRAs are just you know, they're they're trying to do the
• 35:13
  victimhood thing. She's said, no, no, no, she let me
• 35:16
  go back a little bit so you can hear it. She did kind of
• 35:19
  say that hostlely, I kind of discued the tomestic violent stuff, but in
• 35:22
  general, they're not all It's more like it doesn't work men inhabiting men sort
• 35:28
  of qua men inhabiting the role of victimized class doesn't work on people. Okay,
• 35:35
  No, that's not so she's not saying that that men are doing that
• 35:38
  I think she's saying it just doesn't work. And honestly, what I'm getting
• 35:43
  from that, and you know, I know it's easy to read into that
• 35:45
  because you know, she does have a history of feminism, and feminists often
• 35:49
  say that. So I just wanted to be clear that I don't think that's
• 35:51
  what she's I think she's saying it just doesn't work. And I think it's
• 35:53
  the same thing that you're saying, it just doesn't work. Right. And
• 35:58
  the reason is is that we there is something fundamentally wrong when we think society
• 36:05
  needs to protect and provide for men. There's just something fundamentally wrong with that
• 36:09
  concept. We just on some level we reject it as people. And yet
• 36:16
  at some point society does need to provide and protect men because they're the primary
• 36:22
  reason why society is continuing to exist, or at least the utilities that we
• 36:28
  enjoy, the basic services that we enjoy, and the monetary system that we
• 36:34
  enjoy, and the taxes that fund all of the things that women say they
• 36:37
  need. But that that idea, let's let's hold that in our mind for
• 36:43
  a moment, that idea that society should protect and provide for women for men
• 36:49
  is repulsive to the majority of people. And this we can see this in
• 36:54
  statistics too. People do not like to take anything away from women to give
• 37:01
  it to men. They would prefer to see instrumental harm done to men if
• 37:06
  it benefits women, almost never the reverse. Never. There's no evidence that
• 37:10
  there's anyone on this planet that would prefer to see harm done to women in
• 37:17
  order to benefit men. Okay, that just it's incompatible with most people's attitudes,
• 37:23
  and that's a statistical reality that you can talk about. Oh, everybody's
• 37:29
  part of some kind of social collusion and this is just socialized or it's biological,
• 37:35
  doesn't matter. This is what we're dealing with right now. Most likely
• 37:38
  we were dealing with it for most of human history. People do not see
• 37:43
  societies in terms of protecting and providing women for men. They see men protecting
• 37:47
  and providing societies and as a as an extension of that, women, children,
• 37:52
  and the elderly. That's how we see things. These are the fun
• 37:54
  gender roles. But this has a knockdown effect, knock on effect, like
• 38:02
  this is something we are denying with our narratives, but it is patently obvious,
• 38:07
  and young men are picking up on that. They realize it. I
• 38:10
  think they realize that the narrative is that society benefits men at the expense of
• 38:15
  women, but the reality is the exact opposite, and they see the rise
• 38:22
  of this hypocrisy because there's nobody being honest, and I think that's why a
• 38:25
  lot of them are checking out. And I mean, you talk about repeal
• 38:30
  the nineteenth, but again you see the rise of a group of people to
• 38:35
  whom your vulnerabilities are an ick, like the political power, the increasing political
• 38:43
  power of a group of people who don't just regard your vulnerabilities as a point
• 38:47
  of indifference, but regard your vulnerabilities as a point of disgust. Like that's
• 38:53
  a horrible attitude. Like on just that level alone, if we just look
• 38:58
  at men and women as different political groups, on just a purely pragmatic political
• 39:06
  level, men need to oppose women's power, like, like you just look
• 39:12
  at it pragmatically. Women are incapable of regarding men's needs as something that they
• 39:17
  need to take responsibility for. Instead, they regard it as something that is
• 39:23
  a call to dehumanize men. And we hear it right here, and she's
• 39:28
  just being honest, right, Yeah, that's good. She's being honest.
• 39:31
  Like you were saying, Yeah, Oh, that's what I'm saying. I
• 39:34
  think that that's good. Okay, So I got a super chow I should
• 39:37
  read it. Richard Bierre gave us five bucks and says, has anyone noticed
• 39:40
  that so many of these female content creators are feminist activists, and feminist activists
• 39:45
  often seem to not have grown past their high school level of immaturity. Well,
• 39:51
  I mean, I don't know if you're just being about Louise Perry.
• 39:53
  I think that she's doing okay, But yeah, I mean, like for
• 39:59
  the really rap bid ones for sure, Like all right, shall we go
• 40:02
  to the next bit? Let me see there's a little bit left in this.
• 40:06
  It's like fifteen seconds. I said, let's finish. I think that
• 40:08
  there's a psychological response where both men and women generally respond to this with the
• 40:15
  ick. I think it's just I don't know how you feel about that.
• 40:19
  I think it's I think that's a big part of the reason why people don't
• 40:22
  like men's rights activism, because that idea of men is basically emasculating inhabiting that
• 40:28
  role. That's the end of that clip. But do you want to hear
• 40:31
  her? I want to say this so I'm glad that she's been completely honest,
• 40:38
  and the difference about her is that she is honest. Men's vulnerabilities give
• 40:43
  women the ick and again, so you see a situation where half the politically
• 40:46
  empowered half of the human race cannot recognize men's vulnerabilities and regards them as sexually
• 40:54
  undesirable for having them. Now, what's the response going to be men?
• 41:00
  What's going to what's the response to that? Like, you have to understand
• 41:05
  why young men are doing what they're doing. Like from that alone, Okay,
• 41:10
  let's let's get all right. Do you want to hear Cassie J's response
• 41:14
  or just go to the next time code? Yeah, Cassi, first time
• 41:17
  I've heard that was actually from men's rights activists. Interesting, interesting where they
• 41:22
  said this is not you know, this is not a position where you're going
• 41:28
  to beginning women interested in dating you or uh, you know, family members
• 41:32
  interested in you know, supporting you or rallying with you on the streets.
• 41:37
  And yeah, they self admittedly said like this is this, Uh, you
• 41:44
  know, there's something primal in us that we want strong that we don't want
• 41:47
  men to complain. We we want men to be our protectors and we want
• 41:52
  them to be your provider. And if they're having a sacrifice, even in
• 41:57
  in sacrifice of their own health to support their family, to support their community,
• 42:04
  you know, look at all these occupations that are dam I'm just pausing
• 42:07
  it there because I mean that's kind of she gets the she gets that's the
• 42:09
  general gist of her argument, and uh yeah, I mean it's we know
• 42:15
  that this is an unpopular position like that's and it's not just with women but
• 42:19
  with men too, Like they don't want because they know. I think the
• 42:23
  reason why men have an ink response to this too is because they know that
• 42:30
  it will if they if they say, yes, you have a point,
• 42:35
  this is all true, the women will view them differently by like osmosis.
• 42:40
  Right. Like remember when we remember we were on that Twitter conversation we tried
• 42:46
  Twitter spaces out and we were talking about like men's issues, and there were
• 42:52
  these two guys I don't remember their names, I think when it was Sergio
• 42:55
  or something, and they were just basically saying, you know, you just
• 42:59
  got a man up stopping a pussy. We got to like, you know,
• 43:00
  I have I've read all of the social dynamics books and I'm a master
• 43:07
  like all it was was them saying, look, I don't want to like
• 43:09
  because I'm talking about family courts, I'm talking about child cussing, I'm talking
• 43:13
  about false allegations. I'm talking about all the and the way that boys are
• 43:16
  raised about all these things that like manning up is not going to fix,
• 43:22
  Like, these are things that are happening to boys, to families, you
• 43:25
  know. And and he was so these guys were so resistant. They wanted
• 43:30
  to fight me so hard. They wanted to shame me for bringing it up.
• 43:34
  And I know the reason is because they know that if they say,
• 43:37
  yes, this is all true, women will view them the same way that
• 43:40
  they view me. And I'm like, but this is the the thing is
• 43:45
  like we have to talk about this as though it's true. And frankly,
• 43:47
  I don't fucking care what women think about me because the women who matter to
• 43:52
  me, I know what that I only care about what they think, right,
• 43:55
  like my mother, my my wife, and you guys at HP are
• 44:00
  so you know, random hoes on Twitter. I don't care if they say,
• 44:04
  oh, you're not a man, like you don't know me. But
• 44:07
  I think that men that have the same reaction is it is it is not
• 44:14
  just that they're afraid of being seen as vulnerable. It's it's I think they're
• 44:16
  genuinely afraid of how women will perceive them. And by the way, as
• 44:21
  an aside, she said, you know, we don't want like women are
• 44:28
  not like really ready to hear. And men's rights activists know this. They've
• 44:32
  said this that as a group, nobody wants to hear about men's problems.
• 44:38
  It makes us uncomfortable, and it makes men uncomfortable to talk about them.
• 44:44
  And this is like, this is why the toxic masculinity thing or feminists say,
• 44:47
  oh, just open up about your feelings. Like it's literally saying self
• 44:52
  destruct your relationship with women, because we're not going to ask women to listen.
• 44:57
  We're just going to ask you to like spill right, and women are
• 45:01
  just going to do what comes natural to them and say, did you hear
• 45:05
  that guy expressing himself? You know, I wish he would just I wish
• 45:08
  he would just build a house or chop down a tree, you know,
• 45:13
  Yeah, so I mean at least do that because they it's because they know
• 45:19
  that that way of processing their emotions won't lead to them being a genetic dead
• 45:23
  end exactly. And that's the thing like, feminists lie to men when they
• 45:29
  tell them express their feelings more. They lie because they know that women will
• 45:32
  not respond. Well, they just they don't. And so it's better that
• 45:37
  men find their own way because then they don't have to take responsibility for how
• 45:40
  we Yeah, they can blame men for exactly. Everything sort of lands on
• 45:45
  blame men. That that's like, yeah, everything lands on blame men.
• 45:50
  Okay, let's listen to a bit more. All right, you want to
• 45:52
  hear more of Cassie j R. Go to the next bit the next time.
• 45:55
  Let's actually, let's just keep going till we hit twenty five five minutes
• 46:00
  and then we'll move to the next time. Coming interest. So you don't
• 46:02
  want your police officer complaining about uh, you know, really anything if they're
• 46:07
  there on a house call and ready to protect you. If they you know,
• 46:12
  yeah, that will be funny. If a cop showed up at your
• 46:14
  house and he's like, can I talk to you about the problems I'm having
• 46:16
  at home? Do you have? It's sort of like but yeah, that's
• 46:22
  it, that's right there. And what's really funny is all of these women,
• 46:27
  all of the ones who are bitching about the bear, all of the
• 46:30
  ones who are bitching about being political lesbians. They all have exactly the same
• 46:36
  attitude towards towards men. And I can see it because I think that I'm
• 46:40
  outside of it in a way. And it is that instinctive maybe or just
• 46:47
  inherent recognition that the buck stops with men, like the buck stops with men.
• 46:55
  It's why lesbian separatists can can yarp about, oh, we're going to
• 47:00
  create our own women only commune, but when I say something like, well,
• 47:06
  their first step is to develop the trades necessary to run the utilities,
• 47:13
  and they're like, and then they just sort of flutter off. Not not
• 47:16
  that because because they can't really imagine a world without men, They just can't
• 47:23
  all this mud huts. Yeah, all of this, all of this noise
• 47:31
  and thunder coming from women comes from a position of never. Really, I
• 47:38
  don't even think they have the barest whisper of what life would be like without
• 47:46
  men, Like men are their alpha and omega, and they they demonstrate this
• 47:52
  with everything they say. Like I got into this discussion or brief discussion with
• 47:58
  I guess a bunch of lesbian stuff partest to just sort of swanned on one
• 48:00
  of my threads and they started flirting with each other, and I think they
• 48:05
  think I'm a man or something. They start of flirting with each other,
• 48:07
  and I said, you does your relationship Do your relationships exist without an audience?
• 48:14
  And they don't. Is if there are no men around, there's no
• 48:17
  men to snub and there's no point to anything that they do like it.
• 48:23
  It is like they don't. It's it's it's astounding because they literally regard men
• 48:30
  as God, but God is Satan like mm hm it's And it's like I
• 48:36
  can't get in that headspace because I know men are just people, no offense,
• 48:42
  You're just people that you can be very strong people, you can be
• 48:47
  very dedicated and disciplined people, but you are still people. You know,
• 48:52
  you know it's actual what men have accomplished, But there's still people, there's
• 48:59
  still limits. There's still a point at which men are not capable of continuing,
• 49:05
  they are not capable of resolving, they're not capable of managing. And
• 49:08
  a lot of those points seem to come around where women's expectations, judgment and
• 49:14
  attitudes towards them. Does that make sense? And men seem to be very
• 49:19
  vulnerable to that. And I can see that I can see it, And
• 49:22
  to me, it seems to me that if women should have the right and
• 49:29
  the responsibility of political power, then they should earn it by recognizing their responsibility
• 49:37
  to the other half of the civilians in the state that they're part of,
• 49:43
  recognizing their responsibility to men, recognizing the responsibility to the system, and living
• 49:47
  up to those responsibilities. That is how men women, sorry women, earn
• 49:54
  the right to vote. And I don't see that happening. Instead, we
• 49:59
  have this vast narrative that continues to place men as the alpha and omega with
• 50:06
  and puts women in a situation where they never have to take any responsibility because
• 50:09
  they never really have any power, Like, and what the hell's the point
• 50:15
  of that life? Like, what's the point of a life with no responsibilities
• 50:19
  and no no understanding of how your actions have an effect in the greater world?
• 50:23
  You might as well be locked in a foam box. Okay, let's
• 50:28
  keep going, right, let's keep going. A soldiers in the army from
• 50:32
  making the red pill. I do see that the way gender roles have split
• 50:37
  off, I do now believe is fundamentally grounded in just the way the cards
• 50:47
  fell Biologically. It's women bearing children breastfeeding, you know, the postpartum toll,
• 50:53
  it takes on your body, all these things, and then that we
• 50:57
  do need to protect and and you know there could be all this debate about
• 51:01
  world wars have always been sort of a men yes, but usually wars are
• 51:05
  to gain resources and resources where families and to make things easy. Yeah,
• 51:12
  and to protect you, you know, your own women. I mean men.
• 51:16
  Men don't just decide, you know, I want to invade this country
• 51:20
  for fun, let's go. And it's actually proven that the vast majority of
• 51:29
  wars are started over resources and resources are necessitated by population growth, which is
• 51:36
  necessity, which which is driven by women. Yeah, Like, even even
• 51:39
  in cultures where they don't have birth control, women can still decide, are
• 51:46
  they still are able to somehow pace their births for whatever reason? Like that
• 51:52
  that you can look at cultures like that don't have as much of a proliferation
• 51:58
  of birth control, they're still reduced sing in the number of children that they
• 52:00
  have, because there are ways for women to pace the birth of their children
• 52:07
  to whatever rate that they desire, and they do so. They do so
• 52:12
  North Korea amazingly, Like you think anywhere that that women it would be North
• 52:17
  Korea, and they're saying no, no, no, Kim Young or no,
• 52:22
  we're not doing Even Kim Jong un, the god of North Korea,
• 52:25
  couldn't couldn't keep his ducks channel. He still viewed as channel. Yeah,
• 52:34
  he can't. Even North Korean dictator can't even create the cam Maiden's tale.
• 52:37
  So it's ridiculous. It's a ridiculous farce to even consider it as a hypothetical
• 52:43
  and to use it to prove or or or justify anything. But what I
• 52:49
  was getting at is wars are run or are waged over resources, and resources
• 52:53
  are something that are necessitated by the rate of reproduction, which is generally controlled
• 53:00
  by women. If it's not controlled by younger women, it's definitely controlled by
• 53:05
  older women. In most societies, you know, the the babushka, the
• 53:09
  grandma. The matriarch effect is very much in place, and a lot of
• 53:13
  more traditional societies. That's the other thing. Like you talk about a traditional
• 53:16
  society being patriarchy, it could as equally be called a matriarchy because the matriarchs
• 53:23
  have so much more power and influence in traditional societies than they do in this
• 53:29
  one. They have their I mean, what happens to older women they just
• 53:35
  get shuffled off into old folks homes or cruise lines. But again, wars
• 53:42
  are waged over resources resources. Resource pressure is a result of reproduction, so
• 53:49
  it's more like society's wage war. And the other thing that occurred to me,
• 53:53
  I mean, before we had wars, we had predators, and like
• 53:59
  other social mem human males tend to insert themselves between anything with teeth and claws
• 54:06
  and their social group. And you know, you see that with stallions,
• 54:08
  you see that with wolves, Like if you have any kind of very social
• 54:15
  mammal, that's usually one of the tasks of the male half of that species.
• 54:21
  And so when humans were evolving, it's likely that men sort of did
• 54:25
  that as well. Okay, so they would protect their social groups in that
• 54:31
  way, and then war, I think is parasitic on that attitude, if
• 54:39
  that makes sense. So men seeing danger and saying I'm going to go towards
• 54:45
  the danger so it does not get to my social group. Men doing that,
• 54:52
  and then you can see that growing war growing out of that. But
• 54:57
  the other thing is that it may be that humans wouldn't have gotten to this
• 55:01
  point without war. And what I mean by that is as ugly as it
• 55:06
  is we may be a species that prays on itself. So in order for
• 55:13
  one group of humans to survive, especially in a very very very resource intensive
• 55:19
  hunter gatherer lifestyle, like hunter gatherers need twenty thirty times the land to sustain
• 55:27
  themselves. As aggregarian societies like our own, in that circumstance, it may
• 55:32
  be that humans need to prey on the resources of other humans even to survive.
• 55:38
  I know that may not make a lot of sense, but it's like
• 55:42
  when you have that, when you are able to appropriate the resources of Tribe
• 55:46
  B, tribe A is able to propriate the resources of Tribe B, Tribe
• 55:51
  A is able to survive. But if they didn't do that, neither Tribe
• 55:55
  A nor Tribe B would survive. They both starve to death. Almost Like
• 56:00
  it's almost like we need war to exist, at least to the point where
• 56:06
  we started to be able to make the land so productive that it almost becomes
• 56:10
  a moot point, right, Yeah, which is also thanks to men.
• 56:15
  Yeah, but I mean I think we're good on war right now. I
• 56:19
  would like not more war, but it looks like we're getting more war.
• 56:23
  But yeah, like that'd be nice. There was a period about four years
• 56:28
  where there were no wars, or at least no new ones. Okay,
• 56:31
  it was. It was cool for a while. No, we don't need
• 56:34
  it now, no, no, no, like no, Now, our
• 56:37
  wars are like luxury beliefs. We're just like, yeah, we don't literally
• 56:42
  like those fuckers over there, so we're just going to annihilate them. It's
• 56:45
  like, that's that isn't that's unusually it has to do with women's rights,
• 56:52
  you know. Have you noticed that. It's like, oh, those fuckers
• 56:54
  in the hills, they don't they don't respect their women. Let's go,
• 56:58
  h let's go murderize all of them women. That's right, and it works.
• 57:01
  We were like, oh shit, are you telling me there's a woman
• 57:05
  somewhere that can't drive. Well, let's drop off, send some predator,
• 57:09
  send some predator drones over there and show them what a quality looks like.
• 57:14
  Yeah. Anyway, well they don't let their women drives, and we're just
• 57:16
  going to their women. Yeah, no chauffeurs for you, lady, predator
• 57:22
  drones. Yeah, you'll never see them coming. All right, let's play
• 57:27
  the rest of this. It's been a lot of history in the making to
• 57:30
  lead to these gender roles that now we're trying, you know, the less
• 57:36
  many decades, we're trying to deconstruct, well, how much is nature versus
• 57:39
  nurture of these roles. But yes, going back to what you said,
• 57:45
  men's rights activists, we're the first to admit to me that this is emasculating
• 57:52
  for us to be in this position. I would also add that activists in
• 57:55
  general, you're getting the most extreme of ane geology. You know, if
• 58:00
  you're going to talk to you know, the feminist activist that really it's like
• 58:06
  their their lifelong pursuit. You're getting a very specific type of personality. Just
• 58:14
  pausing for the banana there, I don't know, like what she's she's not?
• 58:20
  Yeah, patriarchy, fuck face. I mean I think that in I
• 58:25
  think I think that's true though, I mean I think that most people are
• 58:30
  normal, and even if I'm even if I'm always right, people aren't ready
• 58:37
  to hear that. So yeah, it's fine, okay, And also so
• 58:45
  much so something I've really become passionate about since making all my films has been
• 58:52
  been digging into trauma because when it when it comes to gender politics and the
• 58:59
  activists that come out and support of these issues, it almost always I've seen
• 59:05
  starts with a personal trauma in their life. I had met some activists who
• 59:09
  did not have a personal trauma that led them to be an activist, for
• 59:14
  instance, Mark Angelucci, who was in The Red Pill, and it was
• 59:17
  meant, all right, Peter the King, Marque Angelucci. You know,
• 59:22
  actually I don't have any personal trauma, Like I wasn't circumcised, thank you,
• 59:29
  mom. And I haven't really been false accused of anything. I haven't
• 59:32
  had any of those things. But people around me, my friends, my
• 59:37
  very close friends who I've known for many years, they've had problems. I
• 59:40
  know of at least three dudes, no four dudes that got dragged through divorce
• 59:46
  and they all got absolutely destroyed. And when it happened the first time,
• 59:51
  I was like, oh, that's that's unfortunate. But the second time I
• 59:53
  was like, well, this is a pattern. But that's not why I
• 59:58
  got involved with this. I was just curious about, like, what the
• 1:00:00
  hell's going on between men and women? Like I could see it around me,
• 1:00:05
  but I didn't really, I don't know. I haven't had any any
• 1:00:09
  more negative experiences with women than any other dude. So anyway, yeah,
• 1:00:16
  let's keep it all right, that's rights lawyer. He came to the men's
• 1:00:21
  rights movement because his best friend was being abused in a domestic balance situation,
• 1:00:25
  and so he he wanted to use his you know, lock background to help
• 1:00:30
  men like his best friend. But oh, real quick too, Mark Angeloucci.
• 1:00:36
  I got to hang out with a couple of times. The guy is
• 1:00:37
  a fucking pimp, okay, Like he loved women and he was like obviously
• 1:00:44
  a dude that got around like he was like, you know, a bat.
• 1:00:46
  I think was he married. I think it was a bachelor. And
• 1:00:52
  yeah, he was a bachelor for sure. Italian guy always dressed to the
• 1:00:55
  nines. Like the dude was a pimp. Man, Like, seriously,
• 1:01:00
  you know, I have to I have to give him credit. He was
• 1:01:02
  a nice man though, a very nice man, very charismatic. You know.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah, he was a chat is what I'm saying. He was a
• 1:01:10
  chat anyway. But for the vast majority of activists, they are coming from
• 1:01:16
  such a really deep emotional wound that happened in their past that led them to
• 1:01:23
  be the activist they are now. And and also be an activist you have
• 1:01:29
  to be passionate and and so you know, also I got to remember I
• 1:01:35
  think it was Coorious Steinhem said something like, we have to keep women angry,
• 1:01:39
  and you know that. I think that's with a lot of activists movements.
• 1:01:45
  It's like anger is the driving force for that movement and you have to
• 1:01:51
  keep him angry. Do you want to say anything to that, because I
• 1:01:58
  want to say something I think that I don't. I think with men's issues
• 1:02:02
  in my experience, like I'm angry at a lot of this stuff, and
• 1:02:07
  I think it's a justified anger, to be honest, Like the idea that
• 1:02:12
  men, instead of being recognized as more likely to be victims of sexual assault
• 1:02:16
  and domestic violence, they are as a group, as a gender being blamed
• 1:02:22
  for it infuriates me. And the idea that Mary cost continues to schlep her
• 1:02:28
  creepy way through the institutions, rendering male victims of sexual assault invisible to the
• 1:02:35
  statistics disgusts me. And the fact that there are tenured professors who can espouse
• 1:02:40
  horrific bullshit as long as it targets men repulses me. Like it's like this
• 1:02:45
  this stuff is unbelievably infuriating, and in particular, what really astounded me at
• 1:02:51
  the end of the day is the idea that men that women are being treated
• 1:02:55
  like victimhood chattel by the feminist movement is absolutely freaking infuriating. Like that the
• 1:03:05
  moment I realized that it was just like who who does that? Yeah?
• 1:03:10
  Who advocate says they advocate for a group of people and then turns around and
• 1:03:16
  ensures that they continue to experience the very thing that they say they advocate against?
• 1:03:22
  Like who does that? How? How is it that women that feminists
• 1:03:25
  could ever ever justify questioning interventions that could reduce the rate of rape just because
• 1:03:32
  they weren't ideologically convenient. I mean, think about that, can think about
• 1:03:37
  this discussion. Well, you know, we could stop women from being raped,
• 1:03:42
  or it could reduce the rate of rape, but it's not ideologically convenient,
• 1:03:45
  So why would we do that? And then to be seen as the
• 1:03:49
  people who speak for any victims of rape? That's freaking astounding. And Yeah,
• 1:03:55
  it infuriates the hell out of me. And I think that it and
• 1:04:00
  should rather than you know, keep them angry, I think people should get
• 1:04:04
  angry at that. Everybody should be angry at that there isn't a rape,
• 1:04:10
  as somebody who's experienced rape or attempted rape or any kind of sexual assault,
• 1:04:14
  who shouldn't be infuriated by the fact that the entire dialogue around it is controlled
• 1:04:20
  by people who do not give a crap about your pain, except as a
• 1:04:26
  political talking point that should piss people off. So, yeah, keep them
• 1:04:30
  angry, get people angry. But on the other hand, what I've noticed
• 1:04:35
  is that as a result of our work, there are men who are less
• 1:04:42
  angry. It's not us that's making men angry. It's us that is allowing
• 1:04:47
  men of space in many cases to move past the anger and process the anger
• 1:04:55
  and bring in Because the thing is that even the guys who say, yeah,
• 1:04:59
  I unders stand why women would choose the bear, those guys are saying
• 1:05:03
  that because they're prioritizing a particular way of viewing themselves an identity, over recognizing
• 1:05:12
  being harmed by women, Because that is an abusive statement to make. It's
• 1:05:16
  an abauseful, humanizing statement to make, and a man who agrees with it
• 1:05:19
  is prioritizing a particular identity, a particular way of seeing himself, over recognizing
• 1:05:26
  the harms being done to him. But that kind of guy internalizes those harms,
• 1:05:30
  never does not acknowledge them on a conscious level. But they continue to
• 1:05:35
  exist on a subconscious level, and the instant a woman doesn't support his self
• 1:05:42
  identity, oh boy, is she in for a world of hurt. All
• 1:05:47
  of that subconscious suppressed arm vomits forth like a goddamn volcano of fury. Believe
• 1:05:56
  me, I prefer men who are assessing their anger consciously to men who say
• 1:06:01
  things like, oh, of course I understand why she chooses the bear,
• 1:06:06
  Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I will play out. I will
• 1:06:11
  say though, I think Cassie is being really charitable, and I think that's
• 1:06:15
  fair to to feminists because I think there is a there is a difference here.
• 1:06:24
  I I do. I think it's true that most people who get involved
• 1:06:29
  with men's rights activism and feminism are doing so because of some experience they had.
• 1:06:34
  Obviously, there's a lot of men that have you know, again,
• 1:06:36
  they have experienced like the system, and there are women too. I remember
• 1:06:43
  Jordan Peterson was talking with another somebody was interviewing. He talked about his conversation
• 1:06:49
  with Naomi Wolf, and you know, naming Wolf was like a really hardcore
• 1:06:56
  died in the woole feminist. I don't want to say radical, because she
• 1:06:59
  was standard, you know, people would call that radical today, but it's
• 1:07:01
  just standard feminism. And I remember her getting into an argument with Karen about
• 1:07:05
  rape culture and stuff, and Peterson was saying that it was commenting on the
• 1:07:11
  fact that she that when he like learned about her own history of sexual assault
• 1:07:17
  that she had experienced, he said that he understood why she was a feminist,
• 1:07:23
  why she was an angry feminist. And I think about that. I
• 1:07:26
  think that it is probably true that there are a lot of women who have
• 1:07:30
  had negative experiences and that brings them to feminism because they think that it is
• 1:07:34
  the answer or like a path to a solution. But but with that in
• 1:07:40
  mind, I think the important difference seems to be is that I don't think
• 1:07:45
  men's rights activists are trying to convince people who come over to men's rights activism
• 1:07:49
  that the problem is women. I think that they're trying to like deal with
• 1:07:56
  the legal system, the courts, and maybe like some of the laws on
• 1:08:01
  things like male general mutilation, and feminism becomes an obstacle to that, so
• 1:08:08
  they have to oppose it. But I think mostly it's an attack on the
• 1:08:11
  ideology and not the people, whereas the women who have drama that become feminists.
• 1:08:15
  They're conditioned to believe that men are the problem. And so I think
• 1:08:18
  that there is anger, but where the anger is directed on both sides of
• 1:08:24
  this thing is very different. I don't know if I'm being Does that make
• 1:08:28
  sense? Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna because you often say it's women.
• 1:08:31
  So in some ways we are identifying women as a problem. But here's
• 1:08:35
  here's what I'm going to say to that. I don't nobody, as far
• 1:08:40
  as I know, on the men's issues advocacy, your men's rights activist side,
• 1:08:44
  says that women are or very few people say that women are ninety percent
• 1:08:51
  of the rapists, percent of the men, of the people engaging in domestic
• 1:08:57
  violence. They're saying that women are probably fifty percent of both are around,
• 1:09:03
  Yeah, I mean both. They're saying that. And I think that there's
• 1:09:08
  some people who say that society oppresses men, but at least I don't.
• 1:09:12
  I'm not going to answer to that because I don't. I don't think that
• 1:09:15
  oppression is a reasonable narrative to use when you talk about the dynamic between men
• 1:09:18
  and women, and a lot of men's issue rights activists just want the laws
• 1:09:25
  changed or the problems recognized. And I also I personally want the lie,
• 1:09:31
  which is what really pisses me off is the lies. I want the lies
• 1:09:35
  exposed. Men don't oppress women, full stop, end of story. They
• 1:09:41
  don't, And any institution that requires that that power narrative to exist, well
• 1:09:47
  you need to crumble and not exist anymore because it's it's it's a horrible,
• 1:09:53
  disgusting, despicable lie about men and about women. And like, I don't
• 1:09:59
  think I'm not going to replace that lie with women oppressed men because I don't
• 1:10:02
  think it's true. However, I will say when we say women, you
• 1:10:06
  know, we got to look at women's contribution. Well, what happens when
• 1:10:12
  you only blame one side for how many generations now and you do not look
• 1:10:17
  at the contribution of the other side in the dynamic? Like we have blamed
• 1:10:23
  men for literally everything. They can't possibly be built to blame for everything.
• 1:10:28
  It is not possible for women to have evolved with absolutely no effective way to
• 1:10:34
  maintain homeostasis in the environment. Like every animal on this planet has been given
• 1:10:41
  some tool to provide for itself. Birds have wings and beaks, bats have
• 1:10:47
  sonar, tigers have claws, wolves have endurance. Dolphins can do what they
• 1:10:54
  do, echo locate whatever they do. Dolphins can dolphin. But women women
• 1:11:00
  have nothing. All they have is to be one half of a species and
• 1:11:05
  the other half and is their enemy. Like what like that that doesn't even
• 1:11:12
  make sense. There's there isn't an animal that evolves that doesn't have the ability
• 1:11:17
  to to provide some for itself somehow. Okay, Like maybe it latches onto
• 1:11:24
  another animal, but it's able to have the ability to do that, right,
• 1:11:28
  it has the mechanism to manipulate the other animal into not noticing it or
• 1:11:32
  to giving it its resources. There's no animal on earth that doesn't have the
• 1:11:38
  ability to maintain itself. And to say that human women are in one half
• 1:11:46
  of a species and the other half is their natural predator is the most this
• 1:11:53
  This statement should shut people's brains on how retarded it is. Like this stuff
• 1:11:59
  shouldn't even be argued. It should be. It should be people to look
• 1:12:02
  at the people espousing it and say, are you retarded? Like, like,
• 1:12:09
  what is it the state? This statement doesn't make enough sense for it
• 1:12:12
  to be a statement. And yet here we are pretending this stuff isn't gibberish.
• 1:12:17
  Okay, some more. Yeah, that's the emotion that gets that's the
• 1:12:27
  squeaky wheel that gets the funding, So squak gets the funding. The feeling
• 1:12:33
  a thick I think, you know, you've gotta it's good to recognize that
• 1:12:39
  feeling. And I think that mensary tax vist can not all of them,
• 1:12:43
  I mean, you know, somewhere less self aware, but but I do
• 1:12:47
  think a lot of them now that it's you know, it's not popular to
• 1:12:50
  be in that kind of position. I think that just adds to my compassion
• 1:12:55
  for them though, is that as women, we are really encouraged to share
• 1:13:00
  our feelings and it's almost a way to bond with other women. It's also
• 1:13:06
  a way to gain sympathy or even services from men's the set the social agenda
• 1:13:16
  as well. That's a big thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 1:13:20
  I think there's even a science behind like tears garnering sympathy and like the actual
• 1:13:28
  substance. So yeah, there, women really kind of have that sort of
• 1:13:32
  advantage that we're able to share emotions and have people respond with wanting to help,
• 1:13:39
  and men don't really have that same privilege. All right, That was
• 1:13:46
  the end of that clip, So the next the next much to say,
• 1:13:53
  Yeah, I mean, she's she's right. I mean, there's not much
• 1:13:56
  to say so twenty two minutes I already read that twenty six sixteen YEP is
• 1:14:02
  the next one, like right here, you see it everywhere, but bits
• 1:14:06
  where. I think the men's rights activists have a make a good point.
• 1:14:11
  They are right, basically, they are completely right in that there is a
• 1:14:15
  very stupid version of feminism which is really quite popular. So the version,
• 1:14:21
  no, that's just feminism. It's not a stupid version of it. Okay,
• 1:14:25
  it's just it's just the sock version. It's the it's the uh,
• 1:14:30
  it's the vanilla, vanilla feminism, not the expansion pack, not the third
• 1:14:34
  edition, not with all the DLC, not with all of the all of
• 1:14:38
  the you know, the season passes. This is just vanilla, not Champion
• 1:14:43
  Edition feminism, not super Turbo feminism. It's just vanilla. But go ahead,
• 1:14:48
  go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say, yeah, once
• 1:14:51
  you start with the premise that men opress woman, you're you're outright on the
• 1:14:55
  starting gate. You're wrong and also vicious wrong. So there you go.
• 1:15:01
  Yeah, I mean I get that she's trying. This is the thing that
• 1:15:06
  like is very frustrating, but it's I'm so used to it. Like no
• 1:15:11
  matter how moderate or or even like outright like non feminists or anti feminist people
• 1:15:19
  claim to be, there is this thing that can't let go of it.
• 1:15:23
  Like I just I'm just a little bit of it. Can I have a
• 1:15:26
  little bit of feminism because I just get like a sprinkle. He's like,
• 1:15:28
  dude, you don't need it, Like men have no interest in taking away
• 1:15:31
  your rights. They have, they have, They love you, they will
• 1:15:35
  die for you, they do it every day, you know. But you
• 1:15:40
  you're still like worried that if you give it up, that somehow many be
• 1:15:44
  like aha, I got you, and then the shackles will appear, you
• 1:15:46
  know, like at the end of Aladdin, like phenomenal cosmic powers and everything
• 1:15:54
  that comes with it. But anyway, feminism as that like women are disadvantaged
• 1:16:00
  always and everywhere, that the cause of this is this kind of vague I
• 1:16:05
  don't know, patriarchy like society, this almost this kind of dark matter that
• 1:16:10
  you can't see, you can't touch, but it's there and it's making women's
• 1:16:14
  lives worse in lots of ways. And that this is clearly not true always
• 1:16:20
  and everywhere, and things like yes, the fact that men die more in
• 1:16:24
  workplace accidents than women do, that women do, that men do more dangerous
• 1:16:27
  and difficult jobs, and women, do you know all of that stuff is
• 1:16:30
  true? I guess where I diverge, pausing there for the banana because it's
• 1:16:36
  getting a little bit longer. But at least Lee, I don't know what
• 1:16:40
  she's going to say. I can't remember I did watch this. But the
• 1:16:44
  thing is that this is a choice, sure, but there's actually this tremendous
• 1:16:48
  amount of social pressure for men to that very least provide for themselves that doesn't
• 1:16:53
  exist in the same way for women. And then the other thing is that
• 1:16:58
  men take these jobs, and they take them because they have a lower they
• 1:17:03
  have a higher risk tolerance, they have a higher tolerance for personal discomfort,
• 1:17:09
  they have greater strength so they can manage the demands of the work, so
• 1:17:15
  it is actually a situation. And also they're willing to do it, so
• 1:17:20
  they will be incentivized using money to do it. Women aren't incentivized to do
• 1:17:27
  these jobs. The only way that women would end up a majority of in
• 1:17:30
  these jobs is if they were forced to by gumpoint m and or starvation or
• 1:17:40
  desperation. So even if it's voluntary, men are voluntarily doing these jobs that
• 1:17:45
  women don't want, yes, and there's no recognition for that. Okay,
• 1:17:54
  let's let's hear what she has to say. All right, he's one idea
• 1:18:00
  that this is like that it's all about school settling. It seems as if
• 1:18:06
  in some ways men's r Act activism ends up just being the mirror of the
• 1:18:11
  stupid kind of feminism where it's just like topics, it's just like a tally
• 1:18:16
  of no, no, here's the way in which your sex sucks and my
• 1:18:19
  sex is great, you know, like it's in its worst iteration. Wait,
• 1:18:24
  who's saying this? Because I don't know Alison dropped Alison what the fuck?
• 1:18:31
  And now I'm going to get foul language. All right, just waiting
• 1:18:35
  to see if Alison comes back. But uh, yeah, I don't know
• 1:18:40
  if she's like saying that m ra's are doing that or what. But it's
• 1:18:45
  the thing is that Louise Perry maybe he doesn't see, is that feminism has
• 1:18:56
  control over the conversation about gender period. Like Alison is messaging me, I'm
• 1:19:03
  dealing with some sort of storm. Oh no, let me just let me
• 1:19:15
  see how how long Okay, I message her. We'll see how it goes.
• 1:19:28
  But yeah, Like, the thing is, we live in a feminist
• 1:19:31
  society. Like if you ask the average person like what they, you know,
• 1:19:36
  believe about the world, they will I mean even if they say I'm
• 1:19:41
  not a feminist, doesn't matter. But if you if you ask them like
• 1:19:44
  the basic principles of feminism, they're just going to agree with it. Like
• 1:19:48
  do you believe that men have it better than women? Do you believe that,
• 1:19:53
  you know, we live under a system that is unfair women. Do
• 1:19:56
  you believe that women get paid less than men? You know, things like
• 1:20:00
  that. They're just going to say, yeah, sure, right, this
• 1:20:03
  is normal. So in order for us to have our say, we have
• 1:20:09
  to kind of like try to demystify people, you know, and say,
• 1:20:16
  look, man, I'm trying to help you see that these things that you
• 1:20:19
  think about the world are not true. And we can't even start talking about
• 1:20:25
  like you know, what men need, what boys need. We can't even
• 1:20:29
  start to have that conversation if people are still under this this you know,
• 1:20:34
  this fog of lies about the relationship between men and women. Okay, Alice,
• 1:20:40
  that's coming back. Okay, are you back? Yes? Can you
• 1:20:43
  hear me. Yeah, yeah, let me just uh it's okay, what's
• 1:20:47
  going on? Hailstorm? But it's really strange because it's like there's the it
• 1:20:55
  looks like a clear sky of one area, but then on the other it's
• 1:20:58
  raining, so it's a very odd storm. But yeah, I think I
• 1:21:03
  am actually, I am actually on starlink, So I think maybe that might
• 1:21:09
  have been it part of the problem. You weren't before, oh you you
• 1:21:13
  you are right now, or you were before. I have been on starlink
• 1:21:15
  this entire time, like the entire time that we've been doing podcasting for like
• 1:21:19
  the last year, I've been on starlink. But sometimes like weather will cause
• 1:21:25
  an issue. So all right, well, elon, get on that.
• 1:21:29
  Get that right, Okay, let's do this. So anyway, what she
• 1:21:32
  was talking about, how I don't know if you heard the last bit,
• 1:21:36
  should I go back as you dropped, like, yeah, give me a
• 1:21:40
  summary. She was basically doing the whole like it's the mirror of feminism thing,
• 1:21:44
  but here I'll play the last fifteen seconds. In some ways, men's
• 1:21:47
  act activism ends up just being the mirror of the stupid kind of feminism,
• 1:21:54
  not even stupid, you know. The yeah, like not not just like
• 1:21:58
  vanilla feminism, but like this weird you know, like it's like the uh
• 1:22:03
  you know when when video games are a lot in a role, it's like
• 1:22:06
  the dark souls to feminism, which is like the least popular version right the
• 1:22:11
  lead. But no, no, I mean obviously she This is what I
• 1:22:14
  was saying before. There is this instinct in people, no matter how non
• 1:22:18
  feminists they claim to be, that they just can't let go. They get
• 1:22:23
  they can't let go of like any form because there is this in the back
• 1:22:27
  of their mind, especially women. They're in the back of their mind.
• 1:22:30
  There's just like man, but if I give it all up, I'm gonna
• 1:22:33
  be reduced to channel. It's gonna like the men are gonna say, ah,
• 1:22:38
  we got cha, you know, gotcha bitch, and then they're gonna
• 1:22:41
  like put the chain into the stove and tournam into baby farm farms. And
• 1:22:45
  it's just not true. Yeah, it's yeah, not the good feminism,
• 1:22:54
  the bad feminism. That a reflection of the bad feminism, not the good
• 1:22:57
  feminism. Now is it the trans exclusionary radical feminism? Is that there's a
• 1:23:00
  trans activism feminism that's bad. Like what part of feminism is bad, and
• 1:23:05
  why wasn't it bad when it originally asserted that men oppressed women. I wonder
• 1:23:12
  evidence. I wonder if Cassie's like her expression looks like, ah you poor
• 1:23:16
  dear. Okay, okay, I don't think Cassie fights been too much,
• 1:23:23
  but like a tally of no, no, here's the way in which your
• 1:23:26
  sex sucks and my sex is great, you know, like it's in its
• 1:23:29
  worst iteration, Whereas I guess my position now over time is more that men
• 1:23:33
  in you know, as you were saying that this stuff is all downstream of
• 1:23:36
  biology and it's been honed over over over millennia, and that men and women
• 1:23:42
  have complimentary roles, and that we need each other and that sometimes, you
• 1:23:49
  know, sometimes sometimes unnatural differences are intentional with one anothers Okay, but when
• 1:23:56
  men need you, you get the ick like we need each other. But
• 1:24:02
  when men need me, I get the ick like I'm being less parutable now
• 1:24:06
  because that really irritated me. So the problem with like again, I don't
• 1:24:11
  advance the notion that women oppress men because I think it's a dynamic between men
• 1:24:15
  and women. It's a way that we structured our identities, and I don't
• 1:24:20
  think that women are responsible for ninety percent of domestic violence in ninety nine percent
• 1:24:26
  of rape. I think is much more equal. So I don't see how
• 1:24:29
  I am a mirror image of feminists and certainly like like, I don't have
• 1:24:35
  the same I don't have the same ideological opinions as trans radical feminists or a
• 1:24:44
  transactivist feminists or TRANSI trans radical like a trans exclusive. Yeah, I don't
• 1:24:50
  like. Okay, So which which which insanity are you referring to, Laurie?
• 1:24:57
  Like which one at this point? Like which is the stupid feminism?
• 1:25:00
  Because it all seems pretty stupid to me, because it's like it literally feminism
• 1:25:04
  started this whole. Well, men and women are on two sides, and
• 1:25:10
  we want you to we need you to choose them. Yeah, what like
• 1:25:13
  why why are there two sides? Like she's saying, well, I don't
• 1:25:16
  something to the to the tune the tune of she That is what she's afraid
• 1:25:24
  of. That is the hypothetical. She's worried that men's rights are Yeah.
• 1:25:30
  Yeah, and and if you just look at men's rights, let's not just
• 1:25:32
  look at the manosphere, which is all just let's face it, it's it's
• 1:25:36
  it's men who I would say that men's rights activists tend to be like a
• 1:25:41
  little bit more self reflective in many cases and aware and more aware of the
• 1:25:46
  dynamics between men and women. But when you look at groups of men who
• 1:25:50
  are just sort of reacting to the situation as it is, yeah, maybe
• 1:25:55
  she's right, Like, it's more like, uh, there are more about
• 1:26:00
  well, women suck and uh, you know, they're they're stupid and they
• 1:26:03
  they're immoral, and I mean it's really hard not to come to that conclusion
• 1:26:09
  by what women put Many women put out on TikTok and manifestel like. But
• 1:26:15
  on the other hand, you know, they aren't really like those guys aren't
• 1:26:20
  men's rights activists, and they would probably say we give them the ick too.
• 1:26:25
  In fact, you could really make the line between people who get the
• 1:26:29
  ick when they reckon when when they're presented with men's issues, and people who
• 1:26:36
  may get the ick but don't let that drive their opinion or their prefer to
• 1:26:43
  recognize the truth rather than being driven by the ick, which is really you
• 1:26:46
  know that that's the thing. There are the people who are driven by the
• 1:26:49
  ick when it comes to men's issues, and there are people who are not
• 1:26:54
  driven by the ick when it becomes to men's issues. And that's the real
• 1:26:57
  demarcation because you can see they're many conservatives that are driven by the ick or
• 1:27:01
  traditionalists or whatever you want to call them. They are driven by the ick
• 1:27:04
  when it comes to men's issues. Feminists are driven by the ick when it
• 1:27:08
  comes to men's issues. Normy women are driven by the ick. Manifestell is
• 1:27:13
  driven by the ick. Trans radical feminists are likely driven by the ick.
• 1:27:18
  So that's the real political divide. Are you driven by the ick like and
• 1:27:26
  or can you overcome it and actually recognize solutions based on what is happening in
• 1:27:33
  reality? And so, I don't know. I disavow this idea that there
• 1:27:40
  isn't a stupid feminism. All feminism is driven by the ick. Most of
• 1:27:44
  actually most of political positions today are driven by the ick. Well yeah,
• 1:27:49
  I mean all feminism is stupid. There is no branch, the whole tree.
• 1:27:56
  All feminism is based on this idea that men oppress women. Yeah,
• 1:28:00
  right, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, like what she says, there's
• 1:28:03
  a special brand, So feminism I believes patriarchs, Like, no, that's
• 1:28:05
  the whole thing. That's the baseline. That's like step one, you know.
• 1:28:14
  Okay, anyways, it's it's the rule. It's the rule zero of
• 1:28:17
  feminism, all patriarchs that we take aside in the hposed war between men and
• 1:28:24
  women, which supposes a side and it supposes a war like mm hmm,
• 1:28:29
  all right, let's let's keep going. Yeah, I wonder how you said
• 1:28:30
  about mentor eight years on? How do you how is? How's your view
• 1:28:34
  evolved? Great? I hear that. I think that was probably the what
• 1:28:41
  I said in many of my videotaries while making The Red Pill was I feel
• 1:28:45
  like, what they're critiquing feminism over, aren't they just doing the same thing
• 1:28:50
  and reversing the sex I you know, when I would bring up that argument
• 1:28:59
  to that, they would say, yes, well, we're just trying to
• 1:29:01
  be the counter position to add balance to the conversation. And where I kind
• 1:29:08
  of landed, you know, even now, so many years later, I
• 1:29:15
  you know, I'd rather like to walk my life being the balance rather than
• 1:29:18
  trying to be the counterbalance to something, you know, just to live your
• 1:29:24
  life like like the world that you want to live in. That's some good
• 1:29:28
  quote quote I can't remember, but like, yeah, just be be the
• 1:29:32
  person or you want to see in the world, or something like that quote
• 1:29:36
  be the change you want to see in the world. Actually, it could
• 1:29:42
  be what I said at Calgary Expo, which is build what you want to
• 1:29:47
  see. Mm hmm ye, build what you want to see. I mean
• 1:29:53
  I think that go ahead. First, Well, she doesn't have to fight
• 1:29:59
  the fight, right, But that's the other thing, like I don't think
• 1:30:01
  that men's rights are men's issues advocacy, Well, it is the counterbalance in
• 1:30:06
  that it is the counter argument to feminists of power narrative, like recognizing the
• 1:30:13
  harms done to men is the counter argument to men oppress women because if men
• 1:30:18
  are in positions of authority and the situation for men is not better than the
• 1:30:25
  situation for women, then men in positions of authority is not equal women oppressed.
• 1:30:29
  So that is the counter argument. It's not even the counterbalance, it's
• 1:30:32
  the counter argument. So when men's rights activism and feminism interact, neutralized like
• 1:30:41
  feminism is neutralized, moved, and then we can start talking about reality,
• 1:30:49
  right, we can start talking about the existence of harms to men that need
• 1:30:54
  to be addressed, and we can start talking about all this other stuff that
• 1:30:57
  needs to be addressed, and we can also start talking about harms to women
• 1:31:00
  in a way that will actually start reducing them because we have both all of
• 1:31:05
  the information about the problem, and you cannot create a solution without all of
• 1:31:12
  the information. With only half the information, it's impossible. So I would
• 1:31:16
  say that men's issues advocacy, not even men's issues at men's rights activism,
• 1:31:20
  is the counter argument to feminism, not the counterbalance. The counter argument.
• 1:31:26
  The counterbalance to feminism is Andrew Tate, the character balance. And honestly,
• 1:31:33
  people are like, and yes, I've said his name, I have invoked
• 1:31:36
  the name of our Satan, but and I'm currently in another argument with him,
• 1:31:43
  with him, with people who want me to take responsibility for him by
• 1:31:48
  disavowing him, and I keep telling them right. Ten years ago, I
• 1:31:56
  looked at what feminists did to the masculine norms index, and I noticed that
• 1:32:01
  there was a certain type of man who was the only man who could who
• 1:32:06
  could within that context credibly say that he was differentiated from women. There was
• 1:32:12
  a certain type of man, and that type of man the feminists say,
• 1:32:17
  this type of man is the only type of man that is different from women.
• 1:32:21
  Right, This is the only set of norms that differs that makes men
• 1:32:27
  different than women. And I looked at that, and I said, this
• 1:32:30
  is what feminists are advocating as the only way for men to differentiate themselves from
• 1:32:36
  women. This is the type of man that that is going to produce.
• 1:32:40
  Guess who I described ten years ago? Yeah we know? And yeah,
• 1:32:47
  okay, ten years ago. I looked at the feminine the feminist masculine norms
• 1:32:53
  index and how they had reduced it down to a particular set and what kind
• 1:32:57
  of man that described. And I said, feminists are telling men, this
• 1:33:00
  is the only way you differentiate yourself from women. What do you think men
• 1:33:04
  did? They did what feminists told them because they want to have at least
• 1:33:10
  some way of saying, this is how I'm different from women, this is
• 1:33:13
  what my identity is based on as a man that came out of feminism.
• 1:33:18
  Andrew Tate was given Andrew Dwarkin gave birth to Andrew Tate, And I am
• 1:33:26
  not going to that is how I disavow him by saying that's where he came
• 1:33:31
  from. He came straight out of that. Just imagine her squatting down giving
• 1:33:36
  birth to him. That's what happened. Yes, disgusting, isn't it.
• 1:33:42
  I'd rather not, although I would say that it was either men were had
• 1:33:45
  two choices, either going to be more like Tate or they were gonna or
• 1:33:50
  they were gonna transition and live as women. So like it was like those
• 1:33:55
  were your choices. This is also these are Andrew Tate or sorry Andrew Dwarf
• 1:34:00
  Perkins deformed twins that she gave us Andrew and the trans like the radical trans
• 1:34:04
  rights movement. There you go, that's where it came from. And then
• 1:34:09
  the media picks up this deformed Andrew will Andrew dwark in abortion and dances him
• 1:34:16
  around on a on the podium they construct for him. And then these these
• 1:34:21
  individuals look at him and say, well, that's so speaking for men's issues.
• 1:34:27
  And they look at me and they say, are you going to take
• 1:34:28
  responsibility for that, for telling this is the result. No, of course
• 1:34:36
  not. Let's let's but let's let's move on, because uh, I want
• 1:34:41
  to I want to say something about what Cassie is saying about the Uh It's
• 1:34:46
  okay, I'm gonna try and be brief. I think that what she is
• 1:34:51
  saying proves why we are necessary, because if Cassie j had not made the
• 1:34:57
  Red Pill documentary, she would not have found herself being more fair to men
• 1:35:03
  and their issues and her husband and her son by extension, because she was
• 1:35:09
  a radical feminist before she made the movie. So when she says I'd rather
• 1:35:14
  live the balance, it's only because of the content that we create and the
• 1:35:17
  conversations we are having that that was possible. And what I think the goal
• 1:35:23
  for me is is to use this advocacy, this work that we do to
• 1:35:29
  help people who only see one side see the other side, and they will
• 1:35:33
  be able to live a whole and more complete life and see the world in
• 1:35:39
  a fuller way. So like, I'm happy to be on this side of
• 1:35:44
  the conversation if it brings people to some clear understanding. I don't want to
• 1:35:48
  say like centrist, because again that's that whole. Like, let me just
• 1:35:53
  hold on to a little bit of feminist. Can I have a little bit
• 1:35:55
  of feminism? Though you know you don't need it, Like you could love
• 1:35:58
  women without it. I know it sounds crazy, but you could do it.
• 1:36:01
  I believe in you, and I so like, I don't take it
• 1:36:05
  personal that she says that, because she's demonstrating that I'm right again because I'm
• 1:36:11
  always right, So all right, So I got a couple of superchows,
• 1:36:15
  a big one too, so let me put those on the screen. And
• 1:36:21
  this is from Richard Pierre for five bucks, and he says, the thing
• 1:36:25
  about men checking out is that if it results in any noticeable infrastructure deterioration at
• 1:36:30
  that point, it will be too late. After all, you don't want
• 1:36:33
  to be raising your army to fend off the white walkers only when they are
• 1:36:38
  seen approaching your castle. But too many people are too preoccupied with getting over
• 1:36:43
  on the neighboring kingdom to worry about the marching Horde. Something about women supposedly
• 1:36:48
  being incapable of their own survival reminds me of an experiment where capuchin monkeys were
• 1:36:54
  taught how to use a vending machine and were given tokens for performing tasks.
• 1:36:59
  And you guess what the female monkeys did to obtain more tokens than what they
• 1:37:02
  could get from performing tasks. Apparently they very quickly learned how to create the
• 1:37:08
  prostitution industry. Thank you for that. And then I got another one from
• 1:37:13
  Richard Beer and he gives us five bucks and says, the notion of men
• 1:37:17
  oppressing women being false. Laurence Southern Discomfort agrees with it being false. This
• 1:37:24
  is a cash cow that will be milked until said cow will appear to be
• 1:37:29
  either anorextic or emaciated as the Austrian. Australian man who she was married to
• 1:37:35
  is a representation of all men everywhere, all right, And did I get
• 1:37:41
  anything else? Let me just make sure there's no rumble rants. I did
• 1:37:45
  get a rumble rant. So Nova Fan twenty one gave us a dollar and
• 1:37:48
  said, notice, how even after seeing a documentary that shows real men's rights
• 1:37:53
  activists, they still make it about all about Andrew Tate and any other male
• 1:37:57
  figure they hate instead of the honey Badgers. Mm hmm. Well, but
• 1:38:01
  we have to answer to that, like we have to answer to the fact
• 1:38:04
  that feminism constructed Andrew Tate, the media took him, turned him into their
• 1:38:10
  dancing monkey. And no way do we have any control over this process.
• 1:38:13
  All we can do is be the actual alternative that would have prevented him in
• 1:38:18
  the first place. Like that's it, That's all we can be, Like
• 1:38:24
  this, Yeah, and the only way that I can think to disavow him
• 1:38:27
  is to say, well, there, that is the result of feminism.
• 1:38:30
  They constructed the whole narrative that men only could differentiate themselves from being women by
• 1:38:38
  becoming Andrew Tate or women or become a woman. They constructed this whole dichotomy,
• 1:38:44
  and then the media put him on display and blamed men for him.
• 1:38:49
  Well, that's a response that men's response to to overwhelmingly being told that their
• 1:38:57
  only way of being men is that like, where where are they gonna even
• 1:39:02
  a feminism puts blame on media for telling men that, right, like,
• 1:39:06
  where else are they going to get it? It just doesn't want to recognize
• 1:39:11
  its own culpability in this whole thing. But anyway, let's finish this long
• 1:39:14
  because it's a little long in the tooth as wrong in the tooth. Maybe
• 1:39:20
  that was all I disagreed with you? Yeah, do you? I mean
• 1:39:25
  what? Because one feminist view, and it's also a view that is shared
• 1:39:30
  by some men's rights is that gender roles per se are bad. Right,
• 1:39:34
  that there's it's wrong to treat it's wrong that we had disparate outcomes between the
• 1:39:40
  sexes in any given field. It's it's we should be seeing absolutely equality everywhere.
• 1:39:45
  You know, there are the differences between the sexes is so trivial that
• 1:39:47
  we shouldn't be seeing. We shouldn't have gender roles. People should just kind
• 1:39:51
  of choose their own adventure. I don't. I don't agree with that.
• 1:39:58
  I also do all right, I'm pausing it there. I mean he only
• 1:40:01
  put it like the time code is up till thirty nine fifty nine. So
• 1:40:06
  it was just Louise Perry's comments. I wonder you want to hear Cassie's response.
• 1:40:15
  Sure, yeah, well, okay, yep. I don't agree with
• 1:40:18
  it. I think, you know, the political correctness that we're very well
• 1:40:25
  aware of limits a lot of conversations about So for instance, after I had
• 1:40:36
  my first son, who's now three, I'm a second son who's seven months
• 1:40:40
  old. You know, it really gave me a way, a new way
• 1:40:46
  to look at how as a pregnant woman and then a mother to young children,
• 1:40:54
  I cannot perform in work like I could before I had children. Yeah,
• 1:41:01
  they're both mothers. I think, Louise Perry, I know she's pregnant
• 1:41:05
  for you as as a human female, that you have another part of the
• 1:41:12
  human race that's willing to pick up the slack like, yeah, well you
• 1:41:16
  know I'm gonna I'm gonna let Cassie finish. But yeah, I think it's
• 1:41:24
  funny that people talk about like gender roles as though, and then what they
• 1:41:30
  say is, I reject generals. I think people should be able to do
• 1:41:32
  whatever they want. But that's not that's kind of like the I believe in
• 1:41:36
  equality of opportunity argument because when you leave people alone to do whatever they want,
• 1:41:44
  if they fall into gender roles anyway, because we're probably going to in
• 1:41:47
  like ninety percent of cases, then you don't get to complain that people are
• 1:41:53
  like being constricted because we're literally letting people choose, like choose your life,
• 1:41:59
  right, how do you want to live? And then if women say,
• 1:42:01
  well, I guess I'll make babies, because you know, it's a gender
• 1:42:04
  role, it's a social construct. I guess I'll be a mom. I
• 1:42:09
  guess I'll stay home, and the men are like, I guess I'll work,
• 1:42:12
  and I guess I'll support the family. Like if that is how it
• 1:42:15
  shakes out in the majority of cases when it is allowed, then what are
• 1:42:21
  you complaining about? Like you and I'm not saying that Louis Perry's complaining,
• 1:42:26
  but it's like, no, I've never heard any men's rights activists saying that
• 1:42:31
  we need to like get rid of gender roles. And I also never heard
• 1:42:34
  them saying that we need to enforce them. I've only ever said them say,
• 1:42:39
  look, we think fathers should be involved with their kids. We think
• 1:42:43
  that, like you know, Title nine is being used as a weapon against
• 1:42:46
  men. We think that boys' penises should remain intact. These are not gender
• 1:42:51
  role things like that's all feminists shit. And it's like when feminists say we
• 1:42:57
  want women to be free from their general roles, they don't really mean it.
• 1:43:00
  That's what I'm saying. It's like the equality of opportunity argument where people
• 1:43:03
  say I believe in equality of opportunity and I say, okay, then you'll
• 1:43:06
  just leave people alone to do whatever they want. But then they'll say,
• 1:43:10
  but we don't have it right now, and it's like why, well,
• 1:43:12
  because look, the outcomes are not equal. Well, but that's what it
• 1:43:15
  But what like, yeah, doesn't mean outcomes, No, it doesn't.
• 1:43:23
  But they measure the success of equality of opportunity by looking at outcomes. It's
• 1:43:29
  like saying, I measure the success of my advocacy to remove gender roles by
• 1:43:34
  looking at how generals have shaken out and when they shake out in general with
• 1:43:40
  men doing the thing that they've always done and women doing the thing that they've
• 1:43:43
  always done, then they say there's a problem, there's too many gender roles
• 1:43:46
  being in forced, and it's like, no, it's just this is how
• 1:43:48
  people are gonna do it. And even in cases when it's like asymmetrical or
• 1:43:55
  not quite right, like where the man or the woman both work, or
• 1:43:59
  maybe the man stay home or works from home like that, that's that's going
• 1:44:02
  to be an outlier. You have to be okay with it. But it
• 1:44:05
  doesn't mean that I'll look at them rebelling against the system like, no,
• 1:44:10
  they've just chosen to live like under you know, like within their means,
• 1:44:15
  and they've made some special exceptions. Okay, this is like again, we
• 1:44:23
  don't you don't have to have a prescriptive belief about how people are to arrange
• 1:44:27
  their lives to think that men should still be in their children's life after divorce,
• 1:44:31
  right, you know, like this is this, this is unnecessary.
• 1:44:36
  Yeah, I mean that I'm I'm against gender roles. It's just that I
• 1:44:41
  don't think that it's really I don't think we need to prescribe them. I
• 1:44:45
  mean, no, we don't liberal of some kind like, but you know
• 1:44:48
  it's and honest to God. Truth is. Even if you look at the
• 1:44:51
  Bible, the Biblical notion of marriage, there's a heck of a lot of
• 1:44:56
  ways like that that things that can be accommodated. If you look at at
• 1:45:00
  the prescriptions of a good wife. A good wife is supposed to be industrious,
• 1:45:04
  you know, a good wife is supposed to manage her finances in such
• 1:45:06
  a way that it benefits her family. There's all kinds of things that are
• 1:45:11
  totally compatible with a quote unquote career, even though most people don't have one,
• 1:45:15
  but a job for a wife, you know, it's totally compatible with
• 1:45:19
  an external life for a wife. You know. So it's even probably maybe
• 1:45:24
  compatible for a wife who brings in most of the money and the husband does
• 1:45:29
  something else or does the farm or whatever. You know. There's it is.
• 1:45:32
  The Bible is surprisingly flexible in its gender roles if you actually treat it.
• 1:45:38
  Sure. Yeah. The only thing that I would say is that I
• 1:45:43
  think the big gender role that that feminists complain about isn't that it's the whole
• 1:45:45
  idea that men women submit to men. And I'm going to say that I
• 1:45:49
  think that's accurate. However, I don't think it's I think Pearl, for
• 1:45:54
  example, doesn't understand that statement, and I think people, I think people.
• 1:45:59
  I'm gonna give my interpretation of that statement, that is, women have
• 1:46:03
  something to learn from men when it comes to the kind of virtues and expectations
• 1:46:11
  that are necessary for keeping a system alive and healthy. Okay, So women
• 1:46:16
  have things they can learn from men and the way that men conduct themselves in
• 1:46:20
  the world. So it's it's that a woman needs to learn from both these
• 1:46:25
  things from her husband. She needs to learn to be able to take responsibility
• 1:46:30
  for how she behaves. She needs to learn to see her actions in terms
• 1:46:34
  of their term consequences. Oh goodness, what the heck happens? Oh my
• 1:46:40
  microphone fell? Okay, sorry, I need like an arm or something,
• 1:46:44
  because it's like on a tripod. See, it's like on a tripod.
• 1:46:47
  And it's like, that is a very tripod. I like the hierographic I
• 1:46:53
  made that I had this made. Yeah, see it's very snazzy. Okay,
• 1:46:58
  So sorry about that. It's a microphone drip. I think that's is
• 1:47:01
  that right? It's a yeah, there's it's got some drip. Yeah,
• 1:47:05
  a little bit of drip. Okay, so, but ultimately it's the submission
• 1:47:10
  as opposed to obey, because it was servants and children that need to obey.
• 1:47:14
  Women need to submit. I think submission has an aspect of learn to
• 1:47:17
  it recognize you have something to learn from men, like humble yourself for God's
• 1:47:23
  sake. Ladies there, I mean half you we are so we are sorily
• 1:47:29
  lacking humility and this monny human race could have something to say about living in
• 1:47:33
  this world that you don't know. And I think that's what it really means.
• 1:47:38
  It means being willing to learn from men. And that is actually more
• 1:47:42
  challenging because you know, a lot of traditionalists, are so called traditionalists,
• 1:47:45
  can't really explain what submission means in this context, and they just turn it
• 1:47:49
  into well, a woman needs to submit to a man benefiting her, which
• 1:47:54
  is well, okay, so I submit to winning the lottery, thank you.
• 1:47:59
  I'm going to submit to getting a million bucks. I'm going to submit
• 1:48:03
  to you know, a man throwing his cape over the puddle, Like,
• 1:48:08
  what is that? Yeah, submission is that? Anyway? Sorry, I'm
• 1:48:12
  poking a little fun at what I consider to be sort of faux traditionalists but
• 1:48:18
  okay, are we done with I think we're done. Okay, that's it.
• 1:48:20
  Yeah, I think we got it. I mean, I'll read this
• 1:48:24
  one bit that the supporter said. He said the castie's response. While she
• 1:48:30
  doesn't want to discriminate against young women with children by implying that they are unfit
• 1:48:33
  as employees, she does admit that when she had two female employees herself,
• 1:48:39
  she wouldn't be able to send one of them off for maternity leave because she
• 1:48:42
  was operating on a low budget. And this is kind of like an a
• 1:48:45
  you know, the reality is right, like women have kids, it affects
• 1:48:50
  their employment, it affects the companies that they work for, and it would
• 1:48:58
  infect their employers. And she was just admit to this reality. So m
• 1:49:01
  no, I mean, and yeah, it's true, like it is what
• 1:49:03
  it is. Nothing we can do about that. Do you want to do
• 1:49:06
  the chaser? Yeah, let's do the chaser has a good idea, So
• 1:49:11
  I'm gonna share this instead. Okay, So this is based camp and they
• 1:49:17
  made a video about the bear meme. You know what woman are man or
• 1:49:23
  bear in the woods and the man I don't remember their names, I'm sorry,
• 1:49:28
  but the gentleman on the left was trying to convince his wife on the
• 1:49:30
  right that you know, this is extremely troubling because it would have what it
• 1:49:38
  says about, like the trust between men and women, and she is not
• 1:49:42
  quite getting it. So we're gonna go to here. I think this is
• 1:49:45
  where she starts to get Yeah. I think you always and a lot of
• 1:49:48
  people do this. They're like, Malcolm, you go too hard against the
• 1:49:53
  monoculture and stuff like that, because they assume that the monoculture is their perception
• 1:49:59
  of them culture when they've been associated with it, not the like they don't
• 1:50:03
  know how brainwashed and culty some individuals have got. But what I would say
• 1:50:09
  is the first thing to understand what we're really learning from this. So he's
• 1:50:14
  trying to get her to see why the bear meme is like troubling. Okay,
• 1:50:18
  she's not getting it. This is what well, Yeah, he makes
• 1:50:21
  the argument for it, and I think this is where she starts to figure
• 1:50:25
  it out. I'm going to play a clip of somebody interviewing a bunch of
• 1:50:28
  women, But first I'm going to slightly change the question that's being asked.
• 1:50:30
  Okay, would you prefer to be in the woods with a bear or a
• 1:50:38
  random black man. Black man is scari with a bear? Well, I've
• 1:50:45
  heard about bears. They don't always attack you, right, so maybe a
• 1:50:47
  be. Probably a bear, which is like terrifying to say, but definitely
• 1:50:54
  a bear. Some black men are very scary out there. Event even some
• 1:51:00
  men are saying bear. Although we could predict that this man's opinion will be
• 1:51:02
  whatever makes women approve of him alone in the woods, that's home math.
• 1:51:08
  But you know, funny, great, it's a great channel if you guys
• 1:51:12
  would yeah, he wants women to approve of him. Sure, would you
• 1:51:14
  rather encounter a bear or a black man? I feel more like bear.
• 1:51:20
  I don't know, because I feel like I know what the outcome would be
• 1:51:24
  with a bear. And I think when you hear this now, you get
• 1:51:27
  really uncomfortable when you hear the way people are responding to the initial question.
• 1:51:31
  But I see the context slightly, you get really uncomfortable. Yeah, or
• 1:51:38
  this is what Goodfella did in his video where he was like, he said,
• 1:51:42
  the best way to respond to the bear meme is to say, oh,
• 1:51:44
  so you're you find black men scary? But but I and I agree
• 1:51:49
  it works to make people like, oh shit, what am I saying,
• 1:51:54
  But it really pisses me off that it's even necessary, because what it does
• 1:51:58
  is it conceals the real problem them. Well, it's a reflection of the
• 1:52:01
  ick. Right, we have an ick when we perceive men to be a
• 1:52:06
  vulnerable group. What's happening here, is there some at least some discourse around
• 1:52:11
  black men being a vulnerable group, or that we shouldn't that racism makes it
• 1:52:15
  so that we shouldn't offend or demonize black men. We don't have the necessarily
• 1:52:21
  the ick in recognizing that maybe we should consider men's feelings, black men's feelings
• 1:52:30
  when we talk about them as being more dangerous than a wild animal that used
• 1:52:34
  to prey on humans. Okay, so we say that, we go like,
• 1:52:38
  oh shit, maybe we should consider black men's feelings, But we don't
• 1:52:41
  consider men's feelings because that would give us the ick. To recognize that men's
• 1:52:47
  feelings get hurt gives us the ick. So if you look at the bare
• 1:52:54
  meme in the context of the ick and how the ick affects people's attitudes,
• 1:53:00
  we don't recognize that the bare meme is actually demonization of men because we don't
• 1:53:06
  recognize that men have feelings. Because if we did recognize that men have feelings
• 1:53:13
  that should be respected or that could be hurt, or that they are vulnerable
• 1:53:17
  that would give us the ick. So the ick is protecting us. So
• 1:53:20
  it's really ironic that women talk about these things in the way they do,
• 1:53:26
  because what those women are demonstrating is that they have discussed for men's vulnerabilities.
• 1:53:33
  They can't even see men's vulnerabilities in this. When somebody comes up to them
• 1:53:38
  and says, hey, what do you think would you rather punch a man
• 1:53:43
  in the face or a bear? And they say, well, I'd rather
• 1:53:45
  punch a bear in the face or no, so I would rather punch a
• 1:53:48
  man in the face. It's the same thing rights that they just don't care
• 1:53:54
  or they cannot see the vulnerability of the men to them. That wasn't a
• 1:53:58
  very good analogy. I apologize. Let me if I can think of a
• 1:54:00
  better one. They just don't like when somebody comes up to you and says,
• 1:54:06
  do you think black men are dangerous? People are going to be stop
• 1:54:11
  and say, well should I respond in a way that could be offensive to
• 1:54:14
  black men because they recognize that they should be concerned about black men's feelings.
• 1:54:19
  But when you go up to someone and say, do you think men are
• 1:54:24
  dangerous more dangerous than a bear? They don't because they don't perceive that they
• 1:54:28
  should care about men's feelings. And those women didn't pause and say, hey,
• 1:54:33
  I'm about to say something really cruel. Should I do that? And
• 1:54:38
  then they'll justify it by saying, oh, but men are so dangerous,
• 1:54:42
  But they're not. They're not actually more dangerous than bears. And furthermore,
• 1:54:48
  black men are more dangerous statistically than white men. And we can get into
• 1:54:54
  the reasons why that's the case, but statistically it's true, right, yeah,
• 1:54:59
  like black men. And ironically, one of these feminists through some BGS
• 1:55:02
  statistics and I found out that for content contact sexual crimes that don't involve minors,
• 1:55:12
  Native American men are the most dangerous, like disproportionately, hugely, disproportionately
• 1:55:17
  responsible for sexual violence. Now, having said that, I don't trust the
• 1:55:23
  BGS statistics, but if we're just going to go on criminal statistics, black
• 1:55:27
  men and Native American men are more dangerous than white men. And yet when
• 1:55:31
  you go up to those men women and say would you go, would you
• 1:55:34
  choose a black man or a bear? They would stop and they would say,
• 1:55:39
  oh wait, I have to consider black what's the thing? What's the
• 1:55:43
  approved response to this? Not what's the truth? Are what is my guy?
• 1:55:46
  It's like what would get what would be the thing that they want to
• 1:55:49
  hear? Argue, Right, Potentially, I recognize black men's vulnerabilities because of
• 1:55:56
  racism. Therefore I can model in my mind the idea that I need to
• 1:56:00
  not hurt this person. But is the case with men? Women are using
• 1:56:08
  their control over men's identities, their power over men's identities with this man in
• 1:56:14
  bear question. So what that that question does? It shows the women who
• 1:56:18
  are sociopath And I remember like a while back, or actually only a few
• 1:56:24
  days, so it's not even an I remember a situation. That's because you
• 1:56:27
  know, but the one of the sexual assault centers in my province did shit
• 1:56:36
  with the man versus bear. And this is they're supposed to serve the public
• 1:56:43
  in terms of sexual assault services, so they have a responsibility to the public,
• 1:56:48
  and they were presenting this crap, and of course they presented it in
• 1:56:53
  such a way. It's such a mealy mouthed way and lots of corpos speak.
• 1:56:57
  But at the same time, as and I tweeted it and I said,
• 1:57:00
  what do you think this set? What is your engagement with this man
• 1:57:04
  versus bear question? Say to male victims of sexual assault that you should be
• 1:57:10
  serving, what does it say to them you? And it's unbelievable, it's
• 1:57:15
  unbelievably sickening that even a service funded by the government for sexual survivors of sexual
• 1:57:24
  assault would would present this to men and boys who could themselves be survivors of
• 1:57:31
  sexual assault, that they would present this attitude, this behavior. It's just
• 1:57:39
  this is really sickening. The whole thing, everything to do with the bear
• 1:57:44
  versus man meme really sickening. And it's not justified by women thinking that bears
• 1:57:50
  are less dangerous than men, because they sure as hell would pause and think
• 1:57:55
  if someone had asked, would you choose a black man over a bear?
• 1:58:00
  They could pause. So it's not really it's not about the statistics, it's
• 1:58:03
  not about the fear, it's not about the potential violence. It's about something
• 1:58:08
  else. Because they don't use that as an excuse. Don't pretend that that
• 1:58:13
  is the reason why it's justified, because it isn't like it. It's not
• 1:58:17
  the reason why it's justified, because you certainly wouldn't use that excuse to justify
• 1:58:23
  a black man versus bear right and so, and and my desire to defend
• 1:58:31
  against or not even defend against, like my desire to say that women are
• 1:58:39
  not horrible erodes even further. Well, well, well that was basically it
• 1:58:46
  that you can see on her face that she's like, it's sinking in at
• 1:58:51
  this point. Yeah, and he goes he goes on, no, no,
• 1:58:55
  no, we can, we can stop it here. But he does
• 1:58:57
  go on to make the exact same comparison that you did, where he says,
• 1:59:00
  you know, he can, he can he turns black men into Jews,
• 1:59:03
  and he asked, and he says it again, and then she's like,
• 1:59:06
  oh right. And he talks about like anti Jewish propaganda, World War
• 1:59:11
  two, that kind of stuff. So, and it's basically like something that
• 1:59:15
  you have actually said, the war propaganda, yeah, threat narratives. Right,
• 1:59:21
  So I don't know, maybe he watches your content secretly, I mean,
• 1:59:26
  or or you guys are all moving in the same direction. They they're
• 1:59:29
  definitely like Spurgy looking, so they're probably like right there with you. But
• 1:59:33
  what do you say we flock together? Because yeah, I think, well
• 1:59:36
  I think that you're like Spurgs move alpha waves like moved towards the same goals
• 1:59:43
  and maybe at different speeds. Maybe at different speeds, but yeah, the
• 1:59:47
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