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Ted Bond: Craig's Brother · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: Why, Tommy every one else.
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  Speaker 2: Today we've got Ted from Craig's Brother. Just excited to
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  Speaker 2: chat with you. Ted. Craig's Brother is one of those
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  Speaker 2: legendary punk bands from the Tooth and Nail seed, you know,
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  Speaker 2: one of those early punk bands that got Tooth and
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  Speaker 2: Nail started. And uh yeah, I mean I would imagine
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how you think about your career, maybe
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  Speaker 2: in comparison to like m xp X or some of
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  Speaker 2: those other big Tooth and Nail bands, But but Craig's Brother,
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  Speaker 2: like is one of those bands that, like, when you
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  Speaker 2: think about like those early Tooth and Nail days, we
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't have later on had a lot of these like
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  Speaker 2: huge Tooth and Nail records that Colin and I especially
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  Speaker 2: grew up on without a band like you guys. So
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  Speaker 2: I just feel super honored to chat with you, and
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  Speaker 2: so we'll obviously want to talk all things Craig's Brother.
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  Speaker 2: But before we dive into that, how are you doing today, Ted?
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing all right. Thanks for having me on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good good, We're excited. Where Where are you at
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  Speaker 2: in the world where you're currently located?
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  Speaker 3: I live in Boulder Creek, California. It's pretty much where
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  Speaker 3: I was born and raised. One of the early Craigs
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  Speaker 3: Brother practice spaces was in Boulder Creek.
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  Speaker 2: Nice, where where is that? And like I have honestly
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  Speaker 2: you say Boulder Creek, I have no doubt where that is.
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  Speaker 2: So where's Boulder Creek in relation to any other place
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  Speaker 2: that we would know in California?
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  Speaker 3: It's like ten miles north of Santa Cruz, California.
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So like okay, so you consider yourself like a NorCal
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  Speaker 2: kind of guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: So when you especially maybe in those early days or
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  Speaker 2: maybe even before you actually were in Craig's Brother Like,
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  Speaker 2: was there truly like a rivalry between the like the
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  Speaker 2: so Cow guys and the nor Cow guys. Was that
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  Speaker 2: like a thing that actually ever existed or or is
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  Speaker 2: that just like a myth that, like all everybody else
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  Speaker 2: outside of California just like made up?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah no, there's like we hated Southern Californians.
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  Speaker 2: Do you still no?
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  Speaker 4: Actually anymore?
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  Speaker 3: I actually really like Southern California now because the the
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  Speaker 3: Bay Area has completely changed from what it was in
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  Speaker 3: the nineties and people don't really appreciate music as much
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  Speaker 3: as they used to. But in La they do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so we have better shows in LA Southern California. I
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  Speaker 3: actually really appreciate. Also, you tell someone that you're a
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  Speaker 3: musician in the Bay Area and they're like, you might
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  Speaker 3: as well tell them you're a bum. But you tell
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  Speaker 3: someone you're a musician in LA and they're like cool,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's a real job in LA.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you're like, you're legit. It's probably all the
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  Speaker 2: like the tech bros that came into like the nor
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  Speaker 2: Cal area that were just like totally messed up the
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  Speaker 2: whole music scene. They totally messed up the entire perception
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  Speaker 2: of music there. I'm sure it's.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that's Do you think that's the whole story?
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  Speaker 4: Is that the whole reason why narcal kind of lost
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  Speaker 4: its music credit or what?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Pretty much? I mean Silicon Valley took off. They
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  Speaker 3: brought in all these workers and people from all over
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  Speaker 3: the place, paid them tons of money, to the point
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  Speaker 3: where all the people who were local and grew up
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  Speaker 3: here had to move away, right, And it's basically a
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  Speaker 3: completely different culture than it was in the nineties.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, so what what are what are some of those
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  Speaker 4: things that you're extremely nostalgic for in norkl uh in
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  Speaker 4: the music scene.
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  Speaker 3: Oh man, everything like it was the nineties were amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Bigfoot showing up or do you miss that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah, well you know Bigfoot. Yeah, actually goes
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  Speaker 3: by the name Scott Rapoff.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, this is I'm a big Bigfoot enthusiastic. This
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  Speaker 2: is news to me that his actual real name is Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he actually has a social Security number and everything.
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  Speaker 2: Totally, yeah, totally, honestly, it sounds like he might be
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  Speaker 2: one of the tech pros. To be honest, if his
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  Speaker 2: name is Scott.
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  Speaker 3: Scott, well, Scott, I don't know if you know, but
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  Speaker 3: that was our that's our original bass player, Scott Rapoff.
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  Speaker 3: That was the Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That was was he actually big like Bigfoot. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 2: a pretty big guy and and pretty Harry.
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  Speaker 3: No, actually not that Harry. I don't know why. He
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  Speaker 3: just seems I guess because he's kind of disappeared. Oh
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  Speaker 3: he's a reclusive guy. We haven't nobody seen it in
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  Speaker 3: the years. He's like Bigfoot. He's like, are you sure
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  Speaker 3: he even really exists? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair. I get that, okay, and so I totally
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  Speaker 2: interrupted you. You were about to say something about the North
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  Speaker 2: cast scene.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, uh, it was crazy in the nineties.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking about this. I've been reading the book Outliers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Malcolm Gladwell.
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  Speaker 3: Malcolm Gladwell, Yeah, and he talks about how, like one
• 5:06
  Speaker 3: of the things he talks about early in the book
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  Speaker 3: is is hockey and how basically all the best hockey
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  Speaker 3: players are born in January or February. Yeah, And the
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  Speaker 3: reason for that is that there's the age cutoff for
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  Speaker 3: when you get into the league, and those kids would
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  Speaker 3: be the oldest at the beginning, and you know, when
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  Speaker 3: they're four or five years old, they're the oldest and
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  Speaker 3: biggest of the kids, so they get filtered into the
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  Speaker 3: best leagues and by you know, by the time they're eighteen,
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  Speaker 3: they're way better than the kids who were born later
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  Speaker 3: in the year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking. It was kind of the same thing
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  Speaker 3: with being in northern California in the nineties and playing
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  Speaker 3: punk rock, like it's just right time, right place. My
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  Speaker 3: son has a band and he's really passionate about it
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  Speaker 3: and they're good, but I'm like, dude, it's not going
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  Speaker 3: to be as easy for you as it was for me.
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  Speaker 2: And there's something to be said about that environment, like
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  Speaker 2: you know, like you know Nirvana, you know, obviously this
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  Speaker 2: is before Craig's brother, but like Nirvana was just in
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  Speaker 2: the right time and right place and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: like I think a lot of that just comes down
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  Speaker 2: to like the luck of it. Obviously, Nirvana was super talented,
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  Speaker 2: like Kurt Cobain and the rest of the band were
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  Speaker 2: just incredible musicians. Uh, And so like that has to
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  Speaker 2: be the baseline. But like, your talent is not your ceiling.
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  Speaker 2: Your talent is actually your floor. The ceiling is just
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  Speaker 2: the luck of the environment that you're in at that time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally right. Yeah, and and today that's that's even
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  Speaker 4: that's so much more true.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. Like there obviously, you know, we we
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  Speaker 2: talked about Turnstile all the time just because like they're
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  Speaker 2: the band in the world that you know, we're all
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  Speaker 2: in that uh has now kind of popped off as
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  Speaker 2: the next big band and again like obviously turns out
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  Speaker 2: super talented, Like there's a reason why they're as big
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  Speaker 2: as they are because of their talent. But again, the
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  Speaker 2: talent alone is not the the the prediction of the
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  Speaker 2: or it can't be the predictor of their success there
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  Speaker 2: there are influences to it, and some of it you
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  Speaker 2: just can't control at all. What you can control is
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  Speaker 2: like how good you are as a band, And obviously
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  Speaker 2: turns out has maximized that as much as they can.
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  Speaker 2: But but and yeah, I'm curious, like for you guys,
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  Speaker 2: like when you guys first started, did you sense that
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  Speaker 2: of like like did you feel like, oh, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: like really talented and we also happened to be like
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  Speaker 2: in this scene that's kind of popping off like, did
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  Speaker 2: you guys get a sense of that in Craig's Brother.
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  Speaker 3: No, we had no idea. I mean we knew, or
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  Speaker 3: at least I could say I speak for myself. I
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  Speaker 3: can't speak for what the other guys knew. I knew
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  Speaker 3: that we were good and that this was like the
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  Speaker 3: best group of players I had ever played with, and
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  Speaker 3: we were inspired and writing good songs, but we had
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  Speaker 3: no idea that it would like go the way it
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  Speaker 3: went or that it would be that easy. Like literally,
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  Speaker 3: like I think our third show ever was opening for
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  Speaker 3: MxPx and it was like seven hundred people, right, and
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  Speaker 3: then our fifth show was opening for the Supertones and
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  Speaker 3: it was twelve hundred people that was with Actually that
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  Speaker 3: was us five Iron Frenzy in the Supertimes. Crazy.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I I I've got a little bit of
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  Speaker 4: a confession, and I have a suspecting feeling that Mason's
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  Speaker 4: maybe along the same lines as me. But I admittedly
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  Speaker 4: am not a true and true punk fan. Okay, Uh,
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  Speaker 4: There's there's maybe a handful of punk bands that I
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  Speaker 4: will legitimately just sit down and want to listen to.
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  Speaker 4: Craig's Brother is one of them, Dogwood's another. There's there's
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  Speaker 4: there's very very few, but I've been trying. I've been
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  Speaker 4: racking my brain.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, there's one that we've already named that he's not
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  Speaker 2: a fan of. So so it's good that, like Craig's
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  Speaker 2: Brother and Dogwood is already mentioned that at least, you
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  Speaker 2: know what.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna clear the air. I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 4: it just so everyone knows. And this is this is
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  Speaker 4: blasphemy for this podcast, because I know there's tons of
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  Speaker 4: fans on this band, but I do not like MxPx.
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  Speaker 4: There's there's there's legitimately no song from MxPx, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: I love this. I know, I know it's it's it's heinous.
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  Speaker 4: It's heinous. But I've been trying. I've been racking my
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  Speaker 4: brain for the last week or more trying to figure
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  Speaker 4: out what it is about bands like Craig's Brother and
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  Speaker 4: Dogwood that I gravitate towards so much more than you know,
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  Speaker 4: the ones that got maybe more notoriety, like an MxPx
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  Speaker 4: or something like that. And I'm hoping that throughout this
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  Speaker 4: discussion maybe I can figure it out. So I'll let
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  Speaker 4: you know if I do.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll tell you I didn't like MxPx until Slowly
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  Speaker 3: Going the Way to the Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, which was what year was that? Was that ninety
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  Speaker 2: seven or was that the was that later? What year
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  Speaker 2: was that one?
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  Speaker 3: Ninety seven or ninety eight? It was like like around
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  Speaker 3: the time. It was right before Homecoming. I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 4: Oh sure, Uh.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great record. I don't know if you listened
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  Speaker 3: to that one. I have.
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  Speaker 4: I've really given the discography a chance, and I just
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  Speaker 4: can't do it. And I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm trying to figure it out. And this is
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  Speaker 4: a this is a little bit of a discovery journey
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  Speaker 4: for myself in this whole process of talking with you, so, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to say this before my wife gets home.
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  Speaker 2: She say all the things that you want to say before.
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  Speaker 2: That's what this podcast is for.
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  Speaker 4: That's what it was, the public, the public therapy session.
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  Speaker 3: She's she's a millennial and uh, she really like her
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  Speaker 3: favorite band is blank on two.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: She never really listened to MxPx until I showed them
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  Speaker 3: to her, but she liked it like it was right
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  Speaker 3: in her genre. She likes like plan good Charlotte.
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  Speaker 2: Was it one of those things where it was like,
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  Speaker 2: how did you not like like honey? How did you
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  Speaker 2: like not if you liked blank Win eighty two at
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  Speaker 2: that time? Like, how did you not also like encounter MxPx?
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  Speaker 2: Was it one of those things at all?
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean kind of. I don't really, you don't
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  Speaker 3: get into it. I mean, yeah, you know her music
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  Speaker 3: I like honestly. I mean they're all right, Blink one
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  Speaker 3: eighty two is all right, simple Plan Actually I think
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  Speaker 3: I like a little more, but like that's not my
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  Speaker 3: style of music. Totally her style of music. She puts
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  Speaker 3: it on every time she's cleaning the house and I
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  Speaker 3: just have to like leave, So I maybe that's it,
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  Speaker 3: like that, like kind of real poppy like yeah, simple
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  Speaker 3: three chord kind of silly lyric like I don't find
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  Speaker 3: it very like exciting.
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  Speaker 4: There is like a sophomoric aspect to a lot of punk.
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  Speaker 4: But maybe maybe I'm just more into like the thinking
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  Speaker 4: Man's punk, because I do I do kind of like
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the early nineties like super anti establishment
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  Speaker 4: punk as well, like Dead Kennedy's and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: I can get on board with that, but yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know what it is there. I'm totally there. I love
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  Speaker 3: the Yeah, I mean a lot of that stuff. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: is that really hunk? Like yeah, especially MxPx not like
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  Speaker 3: if you guys are listening to this, I'm sorry, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: But like a lot of that stuff, like the early
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  Speaker 3: stuff that was just all happy and not angry. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like how was that even punk?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Gotta be you gotta be a little like upset
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  Speaker 2: about something like whether it's like whether it's like the
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  Speaker 2: political situation, your your mom moving out, whatever, Like there's
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  Speaker 2: gotta be some reason why you're upset if you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: make fun.
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  Speaker 4: Did you say your mom moving out.
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  Speaker 2: Or your mom like your mom and dad got divorced.
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  Speaker 2: Your mom's okay?
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  Speaker 3: That's funny. Yeah. Slowly Going the Way at the Buffalo,
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  Speaker 3: on the other hand, had some angry songs on it,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, ok I like this talking smack
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  Speaker 3: to Brandon Ebel and stuff. Yeah I could. I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: go Mike, that's fun.
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  Speaker 2: I just like I often wonder, like you know, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe this is part of the reason with like punk
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  Speaker 2: kind of feels like it or at least that kind
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  Speaker 2: of punk, like the Blink one eighty two kind of punk,
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  Speaker 2: And maybe you like got a sense of this like
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  Speaker 2: early on when you were you know, in Craig's brother
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  Speaker 2: maybe there was like this, Okay, this is so sophomoric,
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  Speaker 2: Like how is this gonna age? Like how are these
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  Speaker 2: guys like as popular as they are, Like how are
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  Speaker 2: they gonna make music when they're like fifty years old?
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  Speaker 2: Like they can't just keep making dick jokes like at
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  Speaker 2: this point, Like they can't keep complaining about their girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: They got to keep like at this point, like if
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  Speaker 2: they're fifty years old, like they got to be complained
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  Speaker 2: about like their divorce or like eventually they're gonna be
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: complaining about how their wife I'd be something yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like or like like the nursing home is like a
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  Speaker 2: little like a little crazier than they thought. Like at
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  Speaker 2: some point, at some point you think that like it
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  Speaker 2: just is not going to age in the way that
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  Speaker 2: like it could age. I don't know if you thought
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  Speaker 2: about that early on, like of just like wow, some
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  Speaker 2: of this like punk like it's just not gonna age
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  Speaker 2: in the way that it should age.
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  Speaker 3: I'd really had no idea that I would still be
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  Speaker 3: talking about Craig's Weather and writing songs for Craig's Weather
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  Speaker 3: when I was fifty years old. I'm forty nine. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not quite fifty, but like, hell yeah, no clue. And
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  Speaker 3: I still feel like punks are kind of into immatere stuff,
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  Speaker 3: even though we're all like in our fifties.
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  Speaker 4: Well, speaking of which, have you seen what they what
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  Speaker 4: they're calling the new the new dad shoe. So it's
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  Speaker 4: no longer the new balance. That's that's Gen xers and
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  Speaker 4: and and and and later uh and boomers especially now
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  Speaker 4: it's the it's the vans that dad hue, the white,
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  Speaker 4: the white and or checkered h vans are the dad shoes.
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  Speaker 2: Do they look at it, look at them shoes? Do
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  Speaker 2: they associate that with like grass stains.
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  Speaker 4: Though, Yeah, like that's that's like the new that's like
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  Speaker 4: the new trend. And uh as a teacher, I I
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  Speaker 4: wear van like shoes and they're like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 4: you wearing dad shoes. I'm like, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 4: And now now that's like what they're starting to see
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  Speaker 4: as I could see there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way that that's gonna like, that
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  Speaker 2: is not gonna age well for the younger generations, Like
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  Speaker 2: they're's gonna they're gonna come back around to that at
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  Speaker 2: some point.
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  Speaker 3: They're gonna come back around to vans, you think.
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  Speaker 2: I think so for sure, And I suppose they did.
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  Speaker 2: They already came back with like the baggy jeans that
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  Speaker 2: were so popular with the new metal scene in the
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  Speaker 2: two thousands. If they're already into that, look, they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna come back to like the cool like California
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  Speaker 2: like skater punk kind of vibe too. That that's gonna happen,
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  Speaker 2: Like they're gonna start wearing dickies and it's gonna be well.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Thrasher is a huge brand again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're they're gonna come back around to those shoes.
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  Speaker 2: I guarantee I.
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  Speaker 4: Think that I think they wear them ironically, though they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna wear them. I don't think they're doing it because
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  Speaker 4: there it's like a it's a valid self expression or
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  Speaker 4: anything like that. Well, you know, I think.
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  Speaker 3: My son was doing it because they're good to skate it.
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  Speaker 4: They are. They are. It's kind of like a that's
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  Speaker 4: a brand of the trade, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's so. You know, Vans, though, have been
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  Speaker 3: cool for so long, right, it's about time they like
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  Speaker 3: got a break, you know. Yeah, like they like they've
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  Speaker 3: really been milking it.
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  Speaker 5: They need to be cool for a little since the nineties,
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  Speaker 5: like yeah, yeah, like there was like what maybe the
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  Speaker 5: two thousands that vinyl or maybe nineties even that vinyl
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  Speaker 5: wasn't cool, Like there was maybe a twenty year period.
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  Speaker 2: But like at this point, it's like vinyl's probably just
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: like it was cool for what like the fifties, sixty seventies,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: eighties even, and then maybe there was like twenty years
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: where it wasn't cool and then it became the coolest
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: thing now, and it's just like at this point, it's
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: like hard to imagine like Vinyl's gonna go away. And
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I do think there are certain products like that like
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: vans that I just like at some point, even if
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: like they might have a little bit of it, I've
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: been flow, but at the most like, for the most part,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: like they're just always gonna be kind of like cool looking.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, more likely.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: I agree, it's pretty. I think they're cool looking. I'm
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: wearing them right now. But I also agree that their
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: dad shoes because I'm a dad.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean there's just people old enough to
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: wear them now.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: So I learned a new phrase last week. Chopped unk.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I guess cho Yeah, that's right. You are?
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: You know this one?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Thanks Colin. Do you call it old Greg? What what
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: did you say Old Greg?
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: No?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you. I thought I thought you said,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: like it's our version of old Greg. And I'm like, what,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: That's not what choppmunk means at all? No, nothing, it's
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: nothing like old Greg.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: That's the goofiest thing you've ever said.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Wait, old Greg.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: They're not familiar with old Greg.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Oh man, Oh, ask your millennial wife about it. Okay,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I'm sure she knows.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's okay.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I'll ask her. I hope she's a chopped dunk. I
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: wouldn't know.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Just you type in old Greg and you're be like
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: like all right, well, I can see why this was
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: popular fifteen years ago.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: It's good old British humor. It's good stuff.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Maybe well at one point I forgot I don't.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's keep talking about Craig's brother, like yeah, yeah,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: let's talk about Kriig's brother like history. Yeah, I'd love
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: to hear just kind of like you know what, what
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: like got you started in the band, Like it sounds
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: like you were just like playing in bands before, because
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you said that, like Kriig's brother was kind of the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: first band where it was like, well these guys are
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: like really freaking talented. Yeah. I just love to hear
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: kind of like what maybe was that impetus or what
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: was that? Like what what was it that got you
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: all started?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: So? I had a band in high school called General Handiwork.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: And great name.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: General Handiwork was great. It was really fun, really silly,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: like we weren't trying hard to be talented or did
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: like we're just trying to be as silly as we could.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: In fact, we try to tell the story. We opened
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: for Good Riddance at a fire hall. For our last song,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: we put sparklers in our guitars and lit them, set
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: off the fire alarms at the fire hall. Cops were called.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Actually the cops didn't show up until after Good Riddance played,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that was we thought that was funny. I
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: don't think anybody. I don't think Good Riddance thought it
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: was funny. What is wrong with these kids? And then
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: interesting thing at the end of that show, like after
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: we caused all the problems. Basically, we're packing our stuff
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: up getting out of there. The cops are all over
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: the place. They found I think Scott was with his brother,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: and his brother had a gun in his car or something.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Oh no, So as we're driving away, they have Scott
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: on the ground with a shotgun pointed at his head.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And we were teenagers and I wasn't even necessarily friends
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: with the scar at the time. I was like, get
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: out of here. Oh yeah, so high school, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I guess, I guess that's where they heard me sing.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: And those guys they had another singer, a guy named
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Joey that I guess wasn't working out, so they asked
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: me to sing.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then your brother, Okay, I gotta
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: ask all right, you mentioned there was the opener, good Riddance?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Uh your Bay Area did Green Day just like steal
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: that band name and make it their whole album and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that song, and like like how there's got to be
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a connection there, right, Like that's got to be a thing.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: If you all are in the Bay Area punk bands
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: early nineties Green Days there, they eventually have an album
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: or a song called good Riddance. Come on, that's gotta
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: be a.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Thing, right, I'm sure they knew.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: God, actually, have you not made that connection before? That's
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the first thing that came to my mind, because like.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Good Riddance, like what I want to say, they took
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: off like ninety five, ninety four, like and I feel
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: like Green Day was.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Already right around Green Day, but that Good Riddance album
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: or that good Riddance song came out like what a
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: couple of years later, right, Yeah?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, I don't know if I'm I'm
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: sure Green Day knows good.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Good Riddance came out in ninety seven.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, like that's gotta be that's gotta be
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: a thing.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Was Forgotten Country?
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was Nimrod.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and good Riddance is on the song came out, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's like there's gotta be like they kind
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: of maybe named it after that band. You'd think, right,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like that's gotta be a thing, right, you.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: Know, it's probably like just like this thing like where
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: it's in the zeitgeist and like you you're thinking about
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: it more often or like you heard it somewhere and
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you're like, oh yeah.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a lot of like a song punk
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: bands from the Bay Area come on. Like that's like
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and around the same time, like that's got it. That's
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: like maybe that feels a little bit more. That feels
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: like a god thing.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: I have a story about Green Day.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I was okay, all right, yeah, because you guys came
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: up around. I mean they might have been a little
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: bit older than you guys, but like around kind of
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the same time, right.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a little bit older than us. So I
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: was like sixteen, I think, and I bought three tickets
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: to Religion, thinking that a couple of my friends would
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: want to go, but nonether of my friends wanted to go.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: It was like on a Thursday night or something. So
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: I went down there, and back in the old days,
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: you could just sell your tickets right outside the show
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: because they were paper tickets. I think I bought them
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: for like sixteen dollars each, and then I sold the
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: two for like thirty dollars nice, so I made a
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: profit of like fifteen bucks. I was s went in
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: to go see Bad Religion and there was this opening
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: band that I had never heard, called Green Day, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: they killed it. They were so like Bad Religion was
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: so boring after Green Day, Like, Green Day is such
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: a great live band. I don't really like the records
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: that much, but live they are epic. They're like one
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: of the best live bands.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Were so good. At one point, Billy Joe spent on
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the ceiling above him and then it dripped down and
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: he caught it in his mouth. It was like the
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: most punk thing I've ever seen. I was so impressed.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: At sixteen years old.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I got I gotta spit.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: Ye got to get dick so I can do that.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: And then after the show Bad Religion played, the lights
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: come up, everybody's leading and Billy Joe was just standing
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: there in the crowd. I walked up to him and
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: like grabbing him by the shoulders and was like, great
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: job man, Like just another punk band. Walked out. No
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: idea that like those guys were gonna be what they became. Yeah,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: but it didn't surprise me because they were so good.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Like they they they thought they won the audience over
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: completely and bad religion. I love bad religion, but they're
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: kind of boring live.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: That's that'd be like my biggest fear as a as
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: a headliner band when the opener just absolutely murders your
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: crowd for you and then.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: My gosh, go on. We played in Austria and we
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: had to go on after this band called they Butter
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: their Bread with Butter. Look it up people look it
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: up like insane.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: It sounds like it sounds like a like an American
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: styled parody band.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Dude, it was. It was so weird.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: They were like, it's like a weird al like song title.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: They were so weird. They were super heavy, like super hardcore,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: but at the same time they were kind of like
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: avant garde, like art performance art or something like hell yeah.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: So they would have all these like weird videos going
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the whole time, and then there would be like cuts
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: with all sorts of crazy music and they'd run backstage
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: and drink some water. And come back out like the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: show didn't stop, like there's no pausing in the show
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: at all. And it was just like so overwhelming, like
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: not even that the music was so good, but just
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: the presentation was so overwhelming and crazy. And then we
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: had to go on after them and it was just like,
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: hey guys, Craig Brother, We're just gonna play some songs
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: and everybody was so bored.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: It sucked.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, obviously I want to keep like talking Greig's Brother stuff,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: and this is certainly part of your history. So we're
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: talking about Green Day and you've got this like cool
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: story about Green Day. Yeah, well what's really cool about
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Craig's Brother. I have to bring this stuff. I just
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: got to is at one point for like not even
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: that long, like maybe like maybe what maybe it was
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: like a year a half year Ryan Key joined the band, Yeah,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: early on, And I will say as like as a
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: emo millennial yellow Card, just like is it has a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: special place in my heart. And I don't know, like
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I'm curious, like because you said, like you watched Green
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Day for the first time when you said you were
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like sixteen and they're opening for Bad Religion, and you
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: just kind of knew like this is gonna be big.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously none of us probably knew like how
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: big it was going to be. But you clearly like
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you were playing with Ryan, like did you have a
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: sense like, Okay, Ryan is talented in a way where
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: it's like and again like maybe maybe at that time
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: you thought like, Okay, he's just going to be in
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: the band for however long, But like, did you have
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: a sense that Ryan would be able to go on
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and create this band that just like obviously lots of
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: us ended up loving and and just you know, became
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: a huge, huge deal in that world. And I don't know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: maybe I'm not supposed to ask those sort of questions.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm just trying to think if I
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: should say what I want to say, say what you.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Want to say.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Speak of Ryan is a greade, a sellout man, and
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: like that was obvious from the beginning. He was set
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: on getting big and was willing to do anything to
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: get there, step on anyone to get there, steal other
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: people's songs. Mmm, check this out, California a place they
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: said this is gold somewhere up there, Like it's even
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: a similar like lyrical theme.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Dang, I didn't even think in California.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Is his somewhere out there? Yeah, And I could show
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: you other examples, but I'm not going to. I don't like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I don't hate Ryan. I'd love him. He's good. But
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: he's a good guy and he's so passionate and he's
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: a great performer.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I don't think his music is all that original. I
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: mean it's basically Craig's brother.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Like I can see that. I can see that. I
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: mean there's like a like a catchiness to it. But
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: and and also like in obviously Craig's brother had that too,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I can I can see it a little bit. Yeah,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I can see it for sure.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: No, you know, it makes total sense to me though,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: because I feel like in the in the punk scene,
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: you pretty much have to if you want to get big,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: you have to kind of sell.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Out totally totally, and that's part and you have to
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: rip off. Like honestly, when I remember, like in the
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: early days, all like my idea of like all I
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: ever wanted was like maybe to have like a show
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: with five hundred people Like that was like the biggest
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: thing in my world. If we could draw five hundred
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: people like that, would be good enough. Yeah, and we
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: definitely achieved that goal. And then like later in my life,
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, maybe I should have set my goals
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: a little higher, but but I didn't. I would didn't
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: want to be a sellout. I didn't want to be
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: a rock star. I didn't like popular music. Yeah, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: I didn't like rock stars, and I thought fame was
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: laying So that was me being too punk for live
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: or whatever. But look at me now, I'm poor and
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Ryan's rich.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: So hey, you're making it in California. That's all about
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: That's true.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I guess poor is so relative because actually
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'm not poor. I'm probably like upper middle class, but
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: upper middle class in the Bay Area is poor feels poor.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that is probably true. I mean there
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: was something, you know, like listening to Craig's brother, there
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: was something about like almost felt like this intentionality, like
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: to not go the overly pop punk route like that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: There seemed to be something about that. And I don't
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: know if you have thoughts around that or not, but like,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: at least as a listener, there was something about creating
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: punk music that wasn't necessarily going to be marketed to
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the masses. It's it seemed like that. I don't I'm
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: curious like that did were there ways that you either
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: structured songs or even like there were elements to the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: sound that you're like, we're just not we're gonna avoid
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: this so that we don't market to the masses. I'm
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: just curious, like as you made the music, like was
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: that was that a thing that you thought about frequently?
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think every every band that has
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: a sound has certain things that they avoid and certain
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: things that they do. So definitely there were you know,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: we were trying not to sound like pop punk at
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: the same time we were trying to be catchy and melodic.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, it's a fine line to rude.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Right, and sometimes some of our songs are orderline pop punk.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: At this point I don't care anymore, But back then
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: I was definitely trying hard not to be pop punk, yeah,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: and at the same time being alotic and catchy. Yeah,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: but like also like we avoid like the pentatonic scale,
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: like the plague, like that kind of thing.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Like I I would also say that, at least from
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: my listening year, you guys tended to be quite a
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: bit more melodically complex than pretty much most of the
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: punk bands at the time. You know, like you guys,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: you did not follow a typical punk song structure often,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: but when you did, you know, it hit exactly like
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: you would expect it to, and you usually just kind
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: of save that stuff for the choruses, which is the
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: perfect time to do it. Is that something that was
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: maybe intentional?
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it was intentional. Homecoming it was
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: our first record, first record on a label. It was
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: the songwriters were me, Andy and Adam Nye, and we
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: were just competing to get our songs on the record,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: like it was hardcore competition, and I think it worked
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: out pretty much like four songs each nice. But that
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: competition combined with the fact that we didn't really like
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: we were kind of convinced that we weren't that good.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: So like I think we overshot Homecoming, you know, like
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: we planned that record out and thought it out so
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: hard that like when it was done, I mean actually
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: even when it was done, I'm like, eh, I don't know.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Now years later I'm like, wow, Like we worked really
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: hard on that record and it shows. Yeah, But yeah,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I think it was just kind of the fact that
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: we didn't realize how like that we were overshooting it,
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: or that we maybe didn't need to try as hard
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: as we were trying, and we were like in competition
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: with each other. So like, yeah, we're trying to.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Say, are you almost kind of saying like the humbleness
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: of each of you lent itself to a better, a
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: better finished product exactly.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: The reason I'm so great is because I'm so humble.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: That sounds like a punk song. That legitimately sounds like
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: a punk song right there. You could use that.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: It's like it says in a I don't know, Exodus
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: or something that Moses was the most humble person who
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: ever lived. But like it also like that book is
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: also attributed to Moses.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it sounds like Donald Trump wrote it the
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: most tumble that ever lived. Everybody tells me.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: People are saying, lots of people are saying it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I read it in two Corinthians.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: That's that's a great line right there. That's that's the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: if we ever make like a We've never made a
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: like Instagram reel or whatever, but if we were ever
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to make it Instagram reel, you just made a dead
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: like that. That's the Instagram reel right there.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I'd love to hear. Okay, So you know, obviously
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: those you know first like you know, late nineties, the
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: early two thousands, those kind of first number of years,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and then there was a hiatus, uh and then you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I think it was like ten years between albums loved.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: I would imagine a lot of that is just like
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: you all just kind of wanted to move on, you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Like I would imagine like people are starting to get married,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: having kids, Like I would imagine like a lot because
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: we hear a lot of bands that that's kind of
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: the similar story. But yeah, I'd love to hear just
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: kind of what that first part of that hiatus or
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: like maybe the impetus or reason you run that hiatus was,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: and yeah, what was going on in that time?
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: It was so stupid, like we pretty much quit it
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the worst time, Yeah, I think.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because like I mean, you guys imagine like two
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: thousand and four.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: We did, we toured with Yellow Card in two thousand
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: and four. We did get back together and start playing
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: again in two thousand and four. Yeah, but two thousand
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Keith our drammer got married to this dumb balong. Sorry
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: if you're Balon, and she convinced him that the band
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: was a waste of his time and he quit. And
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: like right around the time that he quit, I got
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: an invitation to play south By Southwest.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Oh Man. When when south By Southwest meant something was
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: the thing?
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and then like two years later she cheated
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: on him, damn. So yeah, about that time was when
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: we got back together and went on tour with the
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Other Card in two thousand and four.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're like, oh, this like two or three
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: year period that we could have been doing something.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Could have been doing some really cool stuff like that
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: probably would have like if we had stayed together for
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: that period, we probably would be able to dang.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: So it's that's really frustrating.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: So really like it really just came down to, like
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: drummer got married and that kind of like imploded at
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: least at least for like a few years, kind of
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: like just made the band not be able to tour
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: for the most part.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: You know, we did actually we got Juice in the
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: band around that time, but Juice, I love him, but he's.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Not Heath and just wasn't the same Like, yeah, yeah.
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: We did play actually a bunch of two thousand and
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: one with Juice, but they were I don't know, it
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: just wasn't you know.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: I do think that's an interesting thing that I don't
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: think we've ever really talked about. But when you have
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: changing members, it's not like you're substituting, you know, it's
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: not like you're substituting one brand of flour for another
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: in a cake, for instance, You're you're literally changing the
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: actual substance. You're changing it from from grain flower to
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: almond flower or something like that. It's gonna be a
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: different product. And I don't think that people quite understand
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: just how big of a change that a band member can.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Make, especially Heath, like he's a he has a unique
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: way of playing his music or his way of playing
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: was a large part of the songwriting, Like we would
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: write songs around like some crazy fill that he came
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: up with. Yeah, and it was the big shoes to fill,
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: like not a lot of drummers could do it. In fact,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: well actually now Steven plays drums and Stephen can do it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: But he's just a musical genius. But yeah, no, it was.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: It was really hard. It's so funny because he was
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: our guitar player for years He'd be like, I could
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: play drums, and I'd be like, Steven, shut up, you're
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: the guitar player.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: You can't play it.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: And then finally I'm like, all right, go play the drums.
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: What the hell?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Guitar players are a lot easier to find than drummers.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: So you get.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Like that role of yours super replaceable. The thing that
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: we're trying to replace not as easily replaceable.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: Right, you know I think about that pretty often. Like
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: Sound Garden for example, Right, Chris Cornell was the drummer
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: for that band for a long time, and uh, a
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: couple couple of people in the band suspected that he
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: could sing, but they basically ran into a moment where
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: their lead singer like was sick or something like that,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: and so Chris like had to go up and sing
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: and somebody else filled in on drums. And they're like, Oh,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: what the hell were we doing? We have probably the
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: greatest voice in all of world history sitting behind us. Kid,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: what the hell are we doing? Yeah?
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: That's like the Foo Fighters, Like when I forget is
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: it Taylor that was the drummer for all that time?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: And he you know, died a few years ago. He
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: had had probably the best voice in Food Fighters and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: what's funny is as good as a drummer. He was
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Dave Girl, the voice of Food Fighters was probably a
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: better drummer than him. Like they was just like whenever
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: they would ever like occasionally at shows they would flip
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: flop and it was like, this should be Foo Fighters.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what this other Food Fighters lineup is,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: but this should be the Food Fighters. The drummer should
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: be singer, and the singer should be the drummer.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Dude, you know who has a great voice better than
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: any of the bands that had singers that he was
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: in Sean O'Donnell from from Dogwood. He also, yeah, we'll
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: let Josh know that, by the way.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Because Josh thinks he's the best singer in the world.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: Totally.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I mean Josh has a little bit of an ego problem. No,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: just I love you, Josh, you know I love you.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Sean has such a great voice. He played a little
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: like solo set at like a fair that his church
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: was doing, which just happens to be in San Jose,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: which not too far from my house. So I went
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: checked it out, and he played like he played some
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: yellow card songs and I was like, dude, it sounds
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: so much better with you singing.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's incredible.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: He's like his voice is great. He had a band
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: called Reeve Oliver.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Reeve Oliver.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you ever checked them out. They they were
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: signed to a major label really, but they basically I
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: think they got shelved or something like. Huh, I don't
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: know if you're are you familiar with that term?
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, yeah, showed. I mean like like they're like
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: they didn't have the records release and stuff, you mean, yeah, or.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Like they didn't have any real serious promotion behind it.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Right, But Revolve is so good like Craigs Broiler and
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: that's it's a little bit like more rocking kind of Actually,
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want to compare it to Los succeed for this,
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: but like definitely like that was kind of the direction
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: we were heading in that time. Cool, and I would
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: almost say we've Oliver did it better.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Well, Well, speaking of direction you're you're heading at that time, Uh, eventually,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: you guys release new music, and you know, over the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: last few years there's been some new music. Uh. Yeah,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I just love to hear just kind of you know,
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: obviously sort of you know, gets back together to some
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: degree with like some new people obviously yourself. Uh yeah,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: love to kind of just hear like that part of
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the history. I don't whatever initial thoughts you have about that.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Wait, what part?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Just like the more the absent like yeah, like the yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the EP coming out in twenty nineteen, Uh, you know
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: easily won really deserve like you know, just kind of
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the newer kind of like version of Craigs brother new iteration.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see here what happened.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Other than life happening?
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was just kind of like why
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: aren't we doing this?
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Like it's so easy now?
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and there's like shows to play, we can
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: make record, we have songs that we've written, like, let's
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: record them. Let's do it. Basically, like it wasn't like
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: there wasn't any major Like I don't know, it might
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: have been follow your Heart if Juice and I actually
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: wrote that song or he helped me write it, and
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: that song was like we got to record this, and
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: so that was Dello's into details. I don't know like
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: if that necessarily got us back together, but yeah, I
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: think at a certain point it was just like, well,
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: we're all working but when we can find the time
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: we're getting before more music.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is something really cool and I experienced it,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Like I've never been in a band, but I would
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: experience I can imagine being a fan of a band.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I can imagine being in a band where especially a
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: band that hasn't been you know, maybe hasn't been doing
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: stuff for a while, and you get in the room
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: and you just start making music again and there's just
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: something that clicks and it's like we should do this again,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: like that we like that there's something there's something really
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: special about this and it's because of the music, right,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Like there's something special about music, and uh, you know,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I think about that with you know, bands that you
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: know you haven't seen for a long time or maybe
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: broke up for a long time and now they're like
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: touring again and you just like hear it for the
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: first time again for a while and you're like, God,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: this there's just something special about this and it's just
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: because there's something special about music, whatever that is. I
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but there's something special. And
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I would imagine, especially being in a band creating that music.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: There's something special about it. You just get in that
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: room again and you start playing some of those old
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: songs and you start like writing new stuff, and you're like,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: what the hell, Like, there's just there's something beautiful about this,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: like we should.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: It's it's like kissing an ex girl friend. It's like
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: kissing an ex girlfriend.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: It's like, damn, we're back at this again.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like going back to your drug habit.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, not this experience. But I would
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: imagine though, I'm just I'm trying to empathize with you.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: What you're yes, what you're describing is is accurate, And
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I wish I could say it was like that. But
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: at this point, it's like I write the songs in
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: my room and I send them to Stephen who basically
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: records all the parts. Sure, and then I recorded the vocals.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: It's kind of but isn't like something like are rehearsing
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: or whatever for a show, Like is there something really
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: cool about? Like, God, this is just fun?
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, rehearsing is the best. I miss having
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: a band that practiced regularly, like Steven's in Germany.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: Have you guys, have you heard too bad? Eugene? Yeah,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: so Adam had proposed to me Adam's a singer or
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: too Bad Eugene, that we could basically have too Bad
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Eugene be the being the rest of Great's brother. MWe
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: those guys are definitely talented enough to do it, but
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I wasn't. I wasn't that into the idea. But I'm
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: maybe warm enough to it coming around.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: Huh, yeah, yeah.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: That would work because they're here in Santa Karus, Like
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: we could, you know, have a regular weekly practice or
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: something which I.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Just would miss amazing. Do you what do you find
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: yourself writing about now compared to when you were younger?
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: I write a lot more love songs, Like I didn't
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: really there weren't any love songs. Craig's Breather didn't.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Have any love songs, not a one. Yeah, well there was.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Mia Anie Miami's love song, but Mianie was the only one. Yeah,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: And now I I write a lot of love songs.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Interesting, Why do you think that is just because your
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: your wife is is a smoking hot young h millennial
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: or what.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: She's wonderful, that's why she she takes amazing care of me.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And I don't know what I would do. I would
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: be totally hopelessly lost without her.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: I mean I can tell, but is there do you
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: do you also do you also do you write love
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: songs about like because you mentioned you have like your
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: your son, like you do you feel like you have
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: love songs about other people in your life, like maybe
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: a son or or other people in your dog.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well the song all the Way on the self
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: titled EP is about my son.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I love that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I guess at this point, like like
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: what's the what's the best thing I can give to
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: my loved ones? I can write them a song like
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I have that. That's like, you know, that's like the
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: best thing I can do.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, we all know you're not great at
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: getting giving flowers, so like songs are truly the only
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: the only thing you've got going for you.
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: It means a lot more.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Flowers.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do this way harder.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, might as well, you know, take the take
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: the less the road easily more traveled for you, but
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: way less traveled for everyone else.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, And it's something unique that I can
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: give them It last forever.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: So I always think about you know, Craig's brother always
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: willing to do the thing that you know, the Christian
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: music scene in particular, but the rest of the scene
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: also was maybe a little bit shy to talk about,
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: you know, railing against record labels and labels themselves and
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: act you're talking about real human experience. Is there still
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: some of that in you now that you that you
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: get out on paper?
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, totally, And what is that?
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: What is that for you now?
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think a lot of my song inspiration
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: has come with from my disappointment in the church mm hmm.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: And I definitely still have have some songs that I'm
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: working on that are are still in that vein. I
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: don't know if that really answers the question.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: I think it does. Yeah, Yeah, that's a try. That's
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: a tried and true topic that there's never enough songs.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: To write well.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: And it's it's certainly it's certainly not stopping. There's there's
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: no amount of material that you can't you draw from,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: uh with with that kind of topic.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, it's it's actually kind of wild because I
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: think I was I've been reading I'm not trying to
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: flext here, but I've been reading Crucified God by Jurgen Molden.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, ah one of my favorites ever. Had you
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I know, you don't know really know me. I'm I'm
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: in the theology world. Yurga Moltmont is like truly one
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: of my favorite theologians ever.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: He's amazing. He's amazing. He is critical of the Church,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: of course, and like what occurred to me when reading
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: that and thinking about my own songs that criticized the church,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: It's like maybe one of the most Christian things you
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: could do is be like, hey, look at how much
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Christians suck. Like, yeah, that's us, we did that. Sorry, Like,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know, there's something which I think is actually
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: really amazing and hopeful that we would be the biggest
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: critics of ourselves.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Self reflection is the most important mirror to have in life,
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: right yeah.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Also, yeah, I think he just died like last year,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: just within this last year. Yeah, he's he's the bad
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: And what's crazy is like, you know, clearly like there
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: was an element to that early on, even in Craig's brother,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: like I think about like, I mean that was like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I mean you guys were talking about that to some
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: degree twenty five maybe what even almost close to thirty
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: years ago now and there's still like it's almost it
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: feels like it's got even worse, Like I mean, it
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: feels like there's even like you got more fodder like.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: For that worse.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Like it's like it's got even worse. Like imagine like
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: how bad it was then that bothered.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Me in the nineties was like just annoying compared to
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: what's going on.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like crazy.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Now it's like it's it's legitimate heresy.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, legitimate heresy and terrifying. Like yeah, like it's like
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I imagine that this is what it felt like to
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: be a Christian in Nazi Germany. Yeah percent, so.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think Bonhoeffer, you know, I
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: I try to like be mindful of like you know,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: where we're headed and also where you know, Nazi Germany was.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: I try to be careful on that, and also at
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: the same token, like you know, Bonhaeffer was navigating that
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: whole you know, he was trying to navigate that too,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: like how bad does bad have to get before he
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: intervenes the way he does, And that's that's the whole thing.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: And again like that that's a that's the thing for
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: us to question. But at the end of the day,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: someone like Bonhoeffer or Urga Moltmont, whoever, it is like
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: they've got a lot to share with us. And I
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: think what's really cool about punk music is there is
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: that precedent within punk music to talk about these sort
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: of things in a way where it's like we can
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: be critical of the things that have formed us.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: That's actually true, Like it's true about Christianity, and it's
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: true about pump. Punks are really willing to criticize.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Punks, right.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: I love that about punk and criticize everything and question
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: everything like that's I think healthy, Like that's what I
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: love about important totally.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a good point. I think that's
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: a good point to stop there. Let's start talking about
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: your top five most influential albums. So the albums that
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: have shaped you as a person as a musician. Again,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: if you need to take a second, we can take
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: a second. But yeah, I think of those those top
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: five most influential albums, Ted, let me think.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: You just our conversation today made me think of three.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Take a moment, and it's absolutely okay if a Craig's
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Brother album is in there. Occasionally somebody will mention one
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: of their own albums.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe The Insidious Lie. I think that's
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: my favorite Craig's Brother record. Let me think, let me think.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like what, Okay, Well, I'll tell you the first
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: three and then maybe I can think of something else
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: after I've already.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: Too that's gone.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: We mentioned Nirvana never or Nirvana Nirvana never mind, m H,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: blew my doors open. I was kind of a hippie
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: prior to that. Oh, my favorite band was the Beatles.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I love the Beatles.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love the Beatles. They're still maybe my favorite band.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: I can I just say the Beatles in general? Yeah,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: one of my top five?
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, is there one album that made me?
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: You gotta pick at least one album? Yeah, Revolver is
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: always a good choice.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, which one has? H? I'm all, they're my
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: favorite band, and I can't remember which Revolvers that have
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: like only sleeping on it? Yeah, Michelle, Yeah Revolve, let's
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: go through it? Yeah?
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Good call?
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Uh? But then yeah, never mind, Like MH. As soon
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: as I saw that music video, I went out and
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: bought the CD and just played it NonStop. It was
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: the first like I knew power chords. I was like
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: learning Metallica and stuff, but like it was super easy
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: to learn all those songs, so I did, and then
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: like it's so weird, like even still, like I'm like,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: why did how did you think to go to that chord? Right?
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Almost every song it's like we're like, whoa, he went
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: to that court? So yeah, I mean it's it's such
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: an amazing record. And also like that changed me from
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: basically or that was like the beginning of me coming
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: out of my hippie phase like in middle school. This
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: was like in the freshman year that I bought never
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: mind it and then so I mentioned good ratings before
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: h Luke Pabbage, the guitar player, kind of grew up
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: down the street from me. Wow, And I was friends
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: with his little brother in high school. And one day
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: where I'm hanging out with his little brother, like we're
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: like playing video games or something, and Luke comes and
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: sticks his head and like this is before I was
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: a punk. He sticks his head in the door. I'm
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: like fifteen years old, like long hair, like flannel or whatever,
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: and he's got like half of his hair is like
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: spiked and the other half is like leopard print like,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and I was like like he's like, hey, Derek walks
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: out and I was like, whoa, who's that And Derek's like, oh,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: that's my brother. He's got a band. And he gave
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: me their demo tape, the Good Riddan's demo tape, the
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: one that got them signed to Fat Records. Yeah, and
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: that was like, that was the beginning of pump up
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: for me. Like that demo tape. It has most of
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: this or maybe all the songs that are on for
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Godden Country and some other ones. But it was a
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: better recording for Godden Country. They had to record in
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: five days. It's kind of sloppy, yeah, but they had.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: They'd taken their time on that recording, and it's I
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: don't know why they never put it out. It was
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: such a good recording. So I'm gonna say that demo
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: tape was one of them.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: That demo tape.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that's sick.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: That's super punk of you to say too. I don't
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: like I don't like the official recording. I like the demo.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Tape, right.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: It's it was so much better. I mean, yeah, but
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I'm serious, I'm not making this up. We really was better.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: And then I think the other big one was lag Dragon.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Hass oh yeah, that, Like that record was so important
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: to us when we were writing Homecoming. When we finished Homecoming,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I was like, we just ripped off lag Ragging. I
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: thought Homecoming was just a straight Hoss rip off. And
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: it wasn't until later that I kind of a be them.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, actually, like not to be, not to
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: be the guy who was so great because he's so humble,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: but like, actually I think her Homecoming is a little better.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: And you know what though, actually, and then I think
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: for number five, I'm gonna say Dune Trashed.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Which, of course makers Yeah, like leg Wagon is seems
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: to be a big influence on you guys. Uh, not
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: not just you, but kind of everyone in the band,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: from at least the original lineup.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, lig Wagon was like our hero band.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: What was it? What was it about Lagwagon that did
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: that for you guys?
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: You think, well, they they were punk, but they like
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: they had all these crazy riffs, like especially on Dune Trashed,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Like there's this kind of r k L influence. Yeah,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: and so it's like Andy was a metal guy more
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: than a punk guy. Sure, So I think Lagwagon appealed
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: to himcause it kind I had that metal guitar stuff
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: going on. But yeah, the riffs, the drumming Derek was amazing,
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: like and they are punk, but especially I'm done trash.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: They were doing something different, like it wasn't what everybody
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: else was doing. It was Yeah, So yeah, we really
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: liked that.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: That makes sense. That makes sense.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: Can we fast for a second. I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: invite uh, the our next guest is gonna come on.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him know, like, hey, can you give
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: us like five minutes and then we'll finish up. So
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna invite him in really quick. Hey, Steven, can
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: you give us like five minutes to finish up this
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: current interview and then uh, and then we'll be done
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: and then just pop on in like five minutes if
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: that's okay, perfect, all right, we'll see in a bit.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: There you all right?
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Perfect?
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: So that was number That was number five, right, Ted, Yep, Yeah,
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: that's that's a good honestly, Like, yeah, that list feels
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: so Craig's brother in a lot of ways. You know, obviously,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I would imagine like Craig's brother, there's a lot of
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: you know, besides yourself like writing the music. But there's
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: something about like each one of those albums that feels
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: very Craig's Brother, which for for every time, like Colin
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: and I asked this kind of question, that the part
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: of the reason for us asking that question is to
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: kind of get a sense of like is the music
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: that is influencing the artists? Like, actually, can you hear
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: that in the music that they create? That's always a
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: really cool thing. So that's that's kind of the music
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: that I'm hearing in Craig's Brother, Like, uh yeah, the
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: like the melodic pieces that you hear in Nirvana that
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: come out in Craig's Brother, and then obviously like the
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: real like raw punkness that's coming out in some of
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: those other albums. Yeah, you just like you can hear
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: all of it. It's it's really cool. The Beatles part though,
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: that's the on off a little bit. I'll be honest.
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, you think Mason, you just you
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: just don't know. They wrote the playbook for music period.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: That's true, Okay, modern modern music.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: That's fair. You're not a Beatles fan, Mason, not as
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: much as Cullen obviously, Like there's a degree to Beatles
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: manium that I'm kind of like, you know, I get
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: it a little bit, but I will say between Nirvana
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: and the Beatles, I'm way more of a Nirvana fan,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: way more. Okay, understand, I understand their discography is way smaller,
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: but I'm just way more of a fan.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: If you're entitled to your opinion, yeah, it is.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: What even if it's wrong, I get it, I get it.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine, all right? Well, Ted, what do
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: you want to plug? Yeah? But like music, do you
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: want to plug shows? Whatever you want to plug?
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I've got a Kickstarter going you do not? Yeah, it's
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: actually launching on Friday, Okay. And what's what's gonna happen
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: is I'm going to record fifteen demos and if you
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: back it, you can vote on which of those demos
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: become the next Craig's Weather record.
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, whoa?
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: And if you back it with a significant amount of money, like,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: I'll have a little like songwriting sess with you, or
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: you can give me some feedback and tell me what
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: you think.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: Fun.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what if I back it enough that I get
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: to name the album?
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: There's a price for everything.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: My friend, would you like would you be willing to.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: I know, I criticized Ryan for being a sellout.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: But hey, you know what, at this point, I'm.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: All about money. At this point about money.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: How about what do I have to pay to get
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: a feature like a like a singing feature.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: Oh oh, we would have to discuss that in private.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: I'll you know, I just throw out here then like
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: everybody's gonna be wanting to sing on my record.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: And I'll be honest ed you know, even though he's
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: my best friend and I'll talk shit about him every
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: day of the week because he's my best friend, I
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: will say you should pay him to sing on your
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: album because he's that good of a singer.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Well, if I had any money, but I'm trying to
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: get paid here, So.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get I guess you really want.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: To sing on our record, Colin. We could work it out.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: All right, All right, sounds good.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: But my goal, my goal out of this podcast, head
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: is that Colin gets featured on an album of one
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: of the bands at one point. That's that's my whole goal.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Once that happens, I can quit this podcast. We can
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: be done. I'll never see Colin again. That would be great.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like Colin sung on some like we made our
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: goal pretty much on the band's record.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: But who's whose band? Craig's brother's band.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I love that's or the Craig
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: brothers were the Craig brothers. I think there is a
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: like I'm sure there is fifties like do group called
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: the Crazy.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: And I guarantee you my grandma listens to him. Yeah, yeah, guaranteed.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the kickstarter, I guess the best way to
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: find it would be to go on our Facebook. Yeah,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: we're definitely promoting it like crazy right now. It's launching
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: on Friday. I don't know when will this podcast be available.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: Uh in the next week or two.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, there is also late donation, so even if
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: it's after the campaign has ended, you can still donate
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: and still get to vote on the songs and get
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: to hear the demos. Only the people who contribute are
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: going to hear the demos. So okay, that's kind of
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: a yeah, sick love it.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to it.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: That that is, uh, that is what I would expect
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: from Craig's brother. And I'm telling you you need to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: get calling on the on the album, just saying, just
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: saying the he's got the microphone, he's ready to go.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: You just let him know, just give him those lyrics
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: and he'll he'll belt it out. He's really good.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, just based on how you look, you know,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: that's all I need to know.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Looks well, sir, I mean, I mean, let's be honest,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: if Colin was, if his face was on that album cover,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: you know, Yellow Card, you can you know, we move
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: aside for a second, Yellow Card, Colin's face is on
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: the cover now, knock it off?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 4: Now a right?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Speaking of of looks and Yellow Card, Ryan Key even looks.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: Kind of like he kind of does like.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: He's like a blonder version obviously.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so what else has he stolen?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: Look? No, I don't know.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: All right, well, Ted, thank you so much for hanging
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: out and chatty more about the Craig's brother And it's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: just honestly, you're honestly you're you're you're fun, You're you're
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: a good guy to hang out with, and hell yeah, yeah,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: I love hearing about the band and excited for whatever,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever holds in Craig's Brothers future, I'm excited
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: for it. So uh yeah, thanks so much for hanging
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: out chatting with us and uh can't wait for it
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: again whenever that will help.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, I'd love to Thanks for having
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: me you guys.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: Good luck on the Kickstarter. It's gonna be fun.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody check it out.