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"Recon-Silly-ation" (Thursday November 13, 2025, Hour 4) · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: First Thing Today by Joe Thomas on the Tunk Media Network,
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  Speaker 2: Stuart said to steal me stem you have a day
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  Speaker 3: For work, when the sun comes up, drops a kid
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  Speaker 3: to school, nons.
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  Speaker 4: Joe is eying agenda.
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  Speaker 5: All the treasure needs no one that Joe's as smile,
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  Speaker 5: he only as.
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  Speaker 6: Joe.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you for letting me be of service to you.
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  Speaker 8: I want to be Joe.
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  Speaker 7: So's a government is now trying to blow all the
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  Speaker 7: dust off of the and you imagine getting to that
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  Speaker 7: office and all the mail that's piled up there. Uh,
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  Speaker 7: and the government reopening sun Rose in the same place
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  Speaker 7: in the sky. A bunch of federal employees got their
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  Speaker 7: jobs back, because that's apparently what the shutdown was for.
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  Speaker 7: And don't let the leftist tell you anything about it.
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  Speaker 7: Here on the program where we tell you what went
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  Speaker 7: on last night, we examine and give you our analysis
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  Speaker 7: of the debris field, and then really want to hear
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  Speaker 7: from you at four three four eight eight two four
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  Speaker 7: two one seven to tell us what, how and if
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  Speaker 7: it's impacting you on your street. This text message from
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  Speaker 7: Mike who writes in Joe, was that guy who was
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  Speaker 7: running for president. Did he say that he was going
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  Speaker 7: to have Donald Trump run as his vice president. I'm
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  Speaker 7: all in vault him to the top of the polls
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  Speaker 7: on an equal level. Email to JT in the Morning
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  Speaker 7: Radio at gmail dot com. The guy who was running
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  Speaker 7: for president, by the way, his name is Gary Barr,
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  Speaker 7: that was on the program earlier saying that he would
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  Speaker 7: have Donald Trump run as his vice president. Doesn't understand
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  Speaker 7: Donald Trump can't run as vice president because he can't
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  Speaker 7: serve as president. Again. Now that's where the argument is,
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  Speaker 7: and this becomes that question the qualifications to run for
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  Speaker 7: president are different than the qualifications to serve as president.
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  Speaker 7: You can only run for president twice, but there's nothing
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  Speaker 7: that says if you don't run for president and you're
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  Speaker 7: appointed president. So for example, and this becomes I can't
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  Speaker 7: believe we're actually having the Steve Bannon discussion, but this
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  Speaker 7: is true. So let's say who is it. It was
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  Speaker 7: John Quincy Adams. So John Quincy Adams serves as president.
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  Speaker 7: He did not serve two terms, did he. But the
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  Speaker 7: point I'm making is John Quincy Adams then went and
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  Speaker 7: ran for Congress, and if he had been named Speaker
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  Speaker 7: of the House, and the president and the Vice president
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  Speaker 7: had both died, he would have become president even if
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  Speaker 7: he didn't have the authority to run for president again,
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  Speaker 7: because he had already been president twice. And like I said,
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  Speaker 7: all of a sudden, my history is failing me. Now, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: he only served one term, I was right. But suppose
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  Speaker 7: he had served a second term as president and then
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  Speaker 7: got elected to the House, and then eventually he became
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  Speaker 7: Speaker of the House. He's third in line to be president,
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  Speaker 7: and that could happen. There's nothing that says he can't
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  Speaker 7: be Speaker of the House because he's not allowed to
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  Speaker 7: run for president again. And I know that law. Now
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  Speaker 7: here are the keyboards right now. I know that law
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  Speaker 7: didn't exist when John Quincy had been president. But it
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  Speaker 7: does happen. Why can't it happen? But President Trump couldn't
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  Speaker 7: run for president again anyway, it's a discussion point. Discuss
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  Speaker 7: It inflames people all the time. When Donald Trump had
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  Speaker 7: his Trump twenty eight hats on the table with Hakim
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  Speaker 7: Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer see the reaction to that. President
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  Speaker 7: Trump yesterday signed the legislation to fund the government again,
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  Speaker 7: ending the longest government partial shutdown in US history. The
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  Speaker 7: bill keeps funding the government at the same levels during
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  Speaker 7: the fiscal year twenty twenty five through January thirtieth to
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  Speaker 7: as always, they say, provide more time to hammer out
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  Speaker 7: the appropriations measures, which they haven't hammered out since the nineties.
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  Speaker 7: The measure also funds the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance program in
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  Speaker 7: the Agriculture Department it comes from, for more than forty
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  Speaker 7: two million Americans through September. It also reverses all the
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  Speaker 7: layoffs that the Office of Management and Budget had been enacting,
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  Speaker 7: and forty two hundred federal employees just got their job back.
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  Speaker 7: Plus there's a promise that no more of those will happen.
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  Speaker 7: Transportation Secretary Shawn Duffy said now that the government's back
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  Speaker 7: time for Thanksgiving, that everything should be fully recovered. As
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  Speaker 7: a matter of fact, there was a huge spike in
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  Speaker 7: Duffy also announced that California has admitted to issuing seventeen
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  Speaker 7: radio at gmail dot com. Alisha says, Joe, why did
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  Speaker 7: all this stuff take so much time? I thought budget
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  Speaker 7: situations were dealt with through reconciliation, which only requires fifty votes.
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  Speaker 7: So far nobody has been able to answer this question
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  Speaker 7: for me locally. Maybe you can simple because in order
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  Speaker 7: for there to be a continuing resolution, it requires a
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  Speaker 7: law to be passed, saying that we are giving ourselves permission.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know this is I should probably I should
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  Speaker 7: probably pre sll this by saying you should sit down,
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  Speaker 7: and if you are already sitting and involves a steering wheel,
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  Speaker 7: you should probably pull over the side for a minute.
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  Speaker 7: So reconciliation only. And I can understand the confusion because reconciliation,
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  Speaker 7: if you were a follower of the body politic, is
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  Speaker 7: used for budget bills and spending bills. Right this is
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  Speaker 7: why we staple non spending things on the spending bills
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  Speaker 7: to get it as without having to go through cloture,
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  Speaker 7: because you only need a fifty forty nine vote, but
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  Speaker 7: with the need to enact a continuing resolution that requires
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  Speaker 7: the passage of a law. And right now, any law,
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  Speaker 7: and this is one of the things that's corrupted the Senate. Anything,
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  Speaker 7: any legislation whatsoever coming through the Senate requires a sixty
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  Speaker 7: to forty vote. And so because permanent cloture a permanent
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  Speaker 7: filibuster has been declared on so many things. So instead
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  Speaker 7: of a bill coming to the Senate and about to
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  Speaker 7: come to the floor for a vote looking for a majority,
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  Speaker 7: now everything is subject to filibuster. Because it used to
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  Speaker 7: be you'd bring a thing and you know it would
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  Speaker 7: pass or not depending on the majority of the vote,
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  Speaker 7: unless somebody in vote to filibuster, in which case you
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  Speaker 7: needed sixty votes to close the filibuster. The phrase cloture,
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  Speaker 7: m oh that first free in the morning coffee, Get
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  Speaker 7: yours at first free in the well at one two
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  Speaker 7: seven dot roasters. I've got mine already here on the table.
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  Speaker 7: So over the from the seventies into the nineties, little
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  Speaker 7: pieces of parliamentary procedure got amenity. You're madam secretary. I
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  Speaker 7: want to have this put into the rules. So instead
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  Speaker 7: of saying, hey, I've got a bill coming in here
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  Speaker 7: from the House that is going to I don't know
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  Speaker 7: call September thirteenth, Joe Thomas in the morning day, and
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  Speaker 7: I want to stop this. So I went, I'm got
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  Speaker 7: to filibuster this bill goes. I represent constituents that worked
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  Speaker 7: with Joe Thomas, and they would never stand for this
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  Speaker 7: kind of thing. Have you read the emails and his diary. No,
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  Speaker 7: that's the other guy with the airplane in the island.
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  Speaker 7: But suppose a senator wanted to stop the establishment of
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  Speaker 7: Joe Thomas in the morning day, by federal law, they
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  Speaker 7: would call for a filibuster and stand up and start talking,
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  Speaker 7: and if they stepped down or walked away, filibuster was over,
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  Speaker 7: or you had to vote him down using cloture, which
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  Speaker 7: was sixty votes. Somebody, probably Harcourt Fenton Read, Senator of Nevada,
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  Speaker 7: since we know that his political belief is based on
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  Speaker 7: the simple premise. Well, he didn't win, did he. I'm
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  Speaker 7: sure it was Harcourt Fenton Read who first established the
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  Speaker 7: idea that just everything is under filibuster. Let's just establish
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  Speaker 7: permanent filibuster, and so everything needs to reach cloture, and
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  Speaker 7: that's how we get to where we are now. Because
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  Speaker 7: Harry Reid, I'm sure at the time, realized there was
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  Speaker 7: going to be little, if any chance in America anymore
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  Speaker 7: that there was going to be sixty senators all from
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  Speaker 7: one party. Ironically, it kind of screwed them over because
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  Speaker 7: very shortly after establishing that, I think there was something
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  Speaker 7: like fifty eight Democrats at one point fifty nine. But
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  Speaker 7: the rule now is everything is under filibuster, and so
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  Speaker 7: everything has to get sixty votes in order to pass.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you could have had a continuing Resolution if
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  Speaker 7: nobody filibustered it. All you needed to do was get
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  Speaker 7: fifty one out of sixty fifty one out of one hundred,
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  Speaker 7: unless somebody called for a filibuster. So that's the reason.
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  Speaker 7: Partially they can't use reconciliation because the continuing Resolution is
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  Speaker 7: a new law that would establish that we are there's
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  Speaker 7: a text. It was the one that the test vote. They're,
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  Speaker 7: you know, passing a law allowing the spenditure of money.
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  Speaker 7: But it's not the same thing as a spending bill.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it seems nutty. But this is why people
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  Speaker 7: get frustrated with parliamentary procedure. Keeping in mind, though, that
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  Speaker 7: those sorts of procedures are how you protect minority voices.
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  Speaker 7: They are how you generally would And this is where
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  Speaker 7: guys like Harry Reid need a special place amongst the
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  Speaker 7: fire and brimstone, because they take those things that we
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  Speaker 7: use to defend ourselves, whether your party's in power or not,
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  Speaker 7: to make sure that your congressman or your senator has
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  Speaker 7: a voice and it doesn't have to be just singing
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  Speaker 7: with the choir of his acquired political party. And that's
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  Speaker 7: what's been corrupted. This is why everyone who says we
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  Speaker 7: need to get rid of the philibuster, I said, no,
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  Speaker 7: we need to get rid of all the things that
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  Speaker 7: have corrupted the filibuster as a process. Because the filibuster
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  Speaker 7: itself is fine. It's all these things that we have
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  Speaker 7: made the Senate do up to filibuster and cloture that
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  Speaker 7: are bad.
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  Speaker 22: Thank you for having me so.
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  Speaker 7: As the entitlements grow, and gosh, I remember Ronald Reagan
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  Speaker 22: Yes, I think we should ask why is it that
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  Speaker 22: a huge expansion of these benefits to what we might
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  Speaker 22: consider not traditional populations for whom they were intended. They
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  Speaker 22: they were trying to determine who was eligible for government benefits. Wow,
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  Speaker 22: And so it's those kinds of policies. In addition to
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  Speaker 22: through all of the verifications again to also get on
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  Speaker 22: because of this checkbox process of categorical eligibility. But it
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  Speaker 7: Does It also show roman that with all these folks
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  Speaker 7: they didn't make that much money. But they made just
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  Speaker 7: a little bit more than the trip wire in it.
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  Speaker 22: Getting Yes, those benefit cliffs are very real and very damaging,
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  Speaker 1: The first Thing today on the Talk Media Network by
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  Speaker 1: Joe Thomas.
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  Speaker 7: Should we watched this miraculous recovery and faster than you
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  Speaker 7: can say, hydroxychloroquin and ivermectin the air traffic controllers of
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  Speaker 7: all of a sudden all gotten over their flew like
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  Speaker 7: Romina Boja is on with us from the Cato Institute CATO.
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  Speaker 7: The younger, I believe, but at the Cato Institute publishing
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  Speaker 7: pieces on the perils of these titlement programs, but we
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  Speaker 7: try to be answer oriented even if we can't get
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  Speaker 7: an answer about answers sometimes, Romina, so I have to ask,
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  Speaker 7: how do we and is it a fool's Errand even
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  Speaker 7: to think that an elected official is going to say
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  Speaker 7: something that could be so dramatically unpopular to such a
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  Speaker 7: large voting block as these entitlement programs are, because otherwise
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  Speaker 7: it's just going to collapse under its own way. That
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  Speaker 7: seems Romina, You're right.
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  Speaker 22: I like to think of this famous Milton Friedman quote
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  Speaker 22: that you have to make it politically possible for the
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  Speaker 22: wrong people to do the right thing, because often people
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  Speaker 22: will say, you know, the solution is term limits, vote
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  Speaker 22: new politicians into office who will solve the problem. But
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  Speaker 22: this has never worked. What has worked is creating the
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  Speaker 22: political cover to make the economically necessary reforms that are
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  Speaker 22: politically impossible. And we have an example of this in
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  Speaker 22: the US context, and that is after the Cold War,
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  Speaker 22: the US had obsolete military bases that were wasting hundreds
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  Speaker 22: of billions of dollars every year. Everyone in Congress could
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  Speaker 22: see that this was unsustainable and they needed to close
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  Speaker 22: some of these bases, but nobody wanted to close a
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  Speaker 22: base in their district, and so members of Congress would
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  Speaker 22: ban together and block basically any base closures until they
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  Speaker 22: finally realized the only way they were going to get
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  Speaker 22: the job done is if they delegated the responsibility and
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  Speaker 22: the political fallout potential to an independent group, and so
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  Speaker 22: they put in place an independent commission task them with
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  Speaker 22: selecting obsolete military bases for closure, gave them specific criteria
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  Speaker 22: for how to evaluate them, and then they even Congress
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  Speaker 22: even absolved itself of having to take a tough vote
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  Speaker 22: on closing those military bases. They adopted a default option mechanism,
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  Speaker 22: so unless Congress objected, the commission proposal would go into effect.
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  Speaker 22: This was called the Base Realignment and Closure Commission. We
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  Speaker 22: had several rounds of BRAC. I think it's time for
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  Speaker 22: a Budget Reduction and American Competitiveness Commission, a new fiscal
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  Speaker 22: BRAC that would apply the model of the base closures
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  Speaker 22: to reforming the entitlement programs that are driving us into
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  Speaker 22: a debt crisis. And it would work similarly. Politicians would
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  Speaker 22: select a competent, independent committee of experts who could take
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  Speaker 22: the political heat would have to justify the reforms that
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  Speaker 22: they are making. And politicians could, you know, do what
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  Speaker 22: they do best, appeal to their constituents and fight the
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  Speaker 22: reforms if they want to. But unless enough of them
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  Speaker 22: vote against the commission proposal, it could go it could
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  Speaker 22: go into effect. There is a Fiscal Commission built before
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  Speaker 22: Congress now that moves in this direction, but it would
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  Speaker 22: still require members of Congress to play the key role
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  Speaker 22: both in determining which reforms will be made and then
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  Speaker 22: voting on them. So Congress is still in the driver's seat.
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  Speaker 22: But we've had commissions like this in the past, whether
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  Speaker 22: it was the super Committee during the Obama administration when
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  Speaker 22: when Bayner was Speaker of the House, or whether it
• 48:25
  Speaker 22: was the Simpson Bulls Commission that Obama ignored. Those types
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  Speaker 22: of commissions required too much political courage and for someone
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  Speaker 22: to fall on the sword, and politicians don't want to
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  Speaker 22: be the ones. And so that's why I think we
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  Speaker 22: need a bract like Fiscal Commission that actually makes these
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  Speaker 22: tough reforms possible.
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  Speaker 7: I love the idea and I think it is something,
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  Speaker 7: and we conveniently have midterm elections coming up next year,
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  Speaker 7: so maybe it's an issue we can bring up to
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  Speaker 7: regardless of political party, House and members that are going
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  Speaker 7: to be coming back looking for our votes for them. Romina,
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  Speaker 7: thank you so much for everything you do at CATO
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  Speaker 7: inside Baseball. Romina has actually conducted this interview now twice
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  Speaker 7: with us. I hope I did as well the second time,
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  Speaker 7: and I promise not to lose the interview this time.
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  Speaker 7: But I hope you enjoyed the cookies and you travel
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  Speaker 7: safely and keep doing what you do at Cato dot org.
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  Speaker 7: But we have a minute here. What are you working
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  Speaker 7: on next?
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  Speaker 22: Well, I recently published a book reimagining social Security, so
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  Speaker 22: the next step is making sure that people know about
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  Speaker 22: what's in the book. We recently held an event at
• 49:42
  Speaker 22: the Cato Institute that's available to view online on the book,
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  Speaker 22: and we're now working on submissions to several academic conferences
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  Speaker 22: to get these ideas into the broader intellectual sphere and
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  Speaker 22: then work them in the policy.
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  Speaker 7: Well or ever out on the road doing a traditional
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  Speaker 7: book tour with it. Let me know and we'll have
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  Speaker 7: you in any number of our affiliate cities there. Romina
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  Speaker 7: Banca from the Cato Institute yes, I was just told
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  Speaker 7: Cato the younger is its named after uh At four
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  Speaker 7: three four eight eight two four two one seven text message, Joe,
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  Speaker 7: do you mean like the nonpartisan Commission on Redistricting that
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  Speaker 7: Virginia organized? Well, you know to a degree, yes, and
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  Speaker 7: understand that the American Constitution actually took this into account.
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: Just to be antonin Scalia for a moment, I say
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  Speaker 7: this with great peril, because the Scalia family lives within
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  Speaker 7: the sound of my voice in the originalist form. Do
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  Speaker 7: you know, just for fun, impress your friends around the
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  Speaker 7: water cooler while they're all looking at their DraftKings app
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  Speaker 7: The original role of the Attorney general do you know
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  Speaker 7: what that was in the Constitution. It was to review
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  Speaker 7: proposed legislation to determine whether or not it faced challenge
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  Speaker 7: for being unconstitutional or not. That was the job of
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  Speaker 7: the attorney general was to review legislation, not to go
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  Speaker 7: out and find bad guys, not to go out and
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  Speaker 7: arrest revenuers. The attorney General not the Department of Justice.
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  Speaker 7: Actually the Attorney General wasn't in charge of the whether
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  Speaker 7: he was called the Department of Law at that point.
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  Speaker 7: Their job was specifically there to review legislation approaching the
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  Speaker 7: floor of the House to determine whether it had constitutional
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  Speaker 7: underpinnings or not. So we have constitutional history on this
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  Speaker 7: checking something to make sure that it passes mustard before
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  Speaker 7: it goes to the floor. I mean, if you wanted to,
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  Speaker 7: you could you if you have and this will tweak
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  Speaker 7: my nieces to pieces. But if you have a federal
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  Speaker 7: reserve system that is supposedly this overseer of our finances,
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  Speaker 7: why not ask them to do it? Why not say
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  Speaker 7: any financial spending has to pass the Federal Reserve to
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  Speaker 7: see if we have the money or not. Don't if
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: you own a business, don't you have an accountant. My
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: name's mine is named Paul, and Paul will tell me
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  Speaker 7: if I don't have the money to spend on something. Anyway,
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  Speaker 7: until tomorrow morning, I promise to get a good night's sleep.
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  Speaker 7: So long and thanks for all the fish.
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