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INTERVIEW: Tomi Lahren Believes In Freedom, Supports The Trump Administration & Declares She Is Not Racist · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up. In the morning the Breakfast Club yeps, well,
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Speaker 1: the God Jess Hilarious. DJ Nvy is off to day,
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Speaker 1: but we got a special guest in the building, the
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Speaker 1: host of Tommy Lauren is Fearless on OutKick dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren is here. Good morning.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It's been a long time coming.
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Speaker 2: So I'm so happy that you had me, and I
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Speaker 2: hope that we can have a nice discussion. I love
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Speaker 2: the dialogue. As you know, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Supposed to be here. Back in the day, day, way
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Speaker 1: back in the day, was the same day when you
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Speaker 1: and Trevor Nolan everybody.
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Speaker 2: Gives the day after the Daily Show the situation slash
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Speaker 2: debacle slash milestone. I guess we'll call it that.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Tommy, are you a racist?
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Speaker 2: I sure am not. Yeah, thank you for asking, though,
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Speaker 2: I appreciate just coming in hot just right off the bat.
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Speaker 2: But I'm glad we could clear that up and then
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Speaker 2: now we can move forward. There we go. You get
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Speaker 2: that off, you know, not so much anymore. Okay, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: that the time of me being accused of that has dissipated.
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Speaker 2: But you know, hey, listen, I appreciate the question. I'm
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Speaker 2: an open book and I hope after our time together
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Speaker 2: you will see that for yourself. But thank you for
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Speaker 2: asking what have you.
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Speaker 1: Been up to? That was a question that people were asking.
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Speaker 1: They was like, you know, where's Tommy.
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Speaker 2: Lauren been doing my thing? You know, doing my thing
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Speaker 2: on Fox. We've been through a couple elections since you
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Speaker 2: and I last spoke. This one went more my direction,
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Speaker 2: I would say, as the last one did. When we
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Speaker 2: know we're talking. Previously, during Trump Edmund one and you
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Speaker 2: and I talked about, you know, if you would be
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Speaker 2: open to seeing what the president had to offer. And
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Speaker 2: you know, now we've got a few years separating that
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Speaker 2: and now, and I'm personally I'm happy with with everything
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Speaker 2: that's happening.
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Speaker 1: So really honest assessment.
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Speaker 2: Now, I promise you this. If there comes a time
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Speaker 2: where this administration does something that I don't like, I'm
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Speaker 2: happy to say it. And I don't know if you've
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Speaker 2: seen over the years, but I've taken a beating for
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Speaker 2: going against the right, and I was fire for going
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Speaker 2: against the right. I think that was pre though, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: so I have no problem doing that if I see
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Speaker 2: an issue, I'll say it. I don't play for a team.
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Speaker 2: I don't work for the Trump administration. If they do
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Speaker 2: something I don't like, I'm happy to say, all right,
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Speaker 2: that's not my thing. Right now, I'm happy we'll see you. Know,
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Speaker 2: we're a few months in.
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Speaker 1: Well, you were fired from the Blaze after saying you
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Speaker 1: support a woman's right to choose. Did that moment did
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Speaker 1: you not realize in that moment that the movement that
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Speaker 1: you promote doesn't really allow true freedom of thought, because
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Speaker 1: that's what it feels like. It doesn't feel like they
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Speaker 1: allow true freedom of thought, all freedom of speech.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this. That particular network didn't like it,
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Speaker 2: but the network i'm at now definitely supports my right
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Speaker 2: to free speech. Yeah, there were a lot of people
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Speaker 2: on the right. They didn't like that I said that.
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Speaker 2: I'm someone who really believes in freedom. I don't like
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Speaker 2: government intervention. So when I said I was pro choice,
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Speaker 2: it was hey, listen, I'm personally pro life, but I
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Speaker 2: don't like the government telling people what to do in
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Speaker 2: that regard, and I don't think the government fills that need.
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Speaker 2: I really don't. I think that's a place for family
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Speaker 2: and faith and community to come in during that time.
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Speaker 2: That's hard for women. I don't think the government does
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Speaker 2: it well. So I don't think the government should impede.
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Speaker 2: And I was very forthright about that. Some people didn't
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Speaker 2: like that, and that's okay. But I got eviscerated for that,
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Speaker 2: you know, and I had to go through a battle
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Speaker 2: with a network for that. But that's why when I
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Speaker 2: say I don't play for a team, I don't play
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Speaker 2: for a side. I'm happy to take the hits from
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Speaker 2: my side. If I believe in something, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: say it. So the left of the right, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of a punching bag for both. And that's
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Speaker 2: okay with me.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel like a president should uh hold the Constitution?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely their duty.
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Speaker 1: Yes. So when you see him on Meet the President,
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Speaker 1: he's asked that question. President Trump, he's asked that question
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Speaker 1: and he says, I don't know. You can't be happy
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Speaker 1: with that.
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Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, when he was asked that question,
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Speaker 2: it was regarding illegal immigration and what his administration's abilities are.
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Speaker 2: Now that's gonna end up being decided by the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 2: We don't have those decisions yet. But to say he's
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Speaker 2: just not upholding the concert Institution. He's saying, well, the
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Speaker 2: lawyers are going to tell me how far I can go.
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Speaker 2: So I respect him when he says that, he's not
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Speaker 2: saying nope, I know the answer. He's saying, Listen, this
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Speaker 2: is going to play out judicially, it's going to play
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Speaker 2: out legislatively, it's going to play out. But I'm going
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Speaker 2: to do what I can to protect the sovereignty of
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Speaker 2: our nation and our borders. And we had an invasion
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Speaker 2: in his mind and in my mind, and we have
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Speaker 2: to correct that, and the voters voted largely to correct that.
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Speaker 2: So he when he said that about the Constitution, he
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Speaker 2: wasn't saying, ah, I don't know. He was saying, listen,
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Speaker 2: it's going to play out. But then I respect that.
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Speaker 1: There is actual due process language in the Constitution though,
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Speaker 1: yeah to mecause everybody does have the right to do process.
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Speaker 2: To me, there's a gray area there, and it depends
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Speaker 2: on what we're talking about. So the position the president
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Speaker 2: has in my position is this, it's a privilege to
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Speaker 2: be in our country. And there were millions of people
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Speaker 2: who came into our country and they said, I don't
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Speaker 2: want to follow a process to get in, but now
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Speaker 2: I want a different process in order for you to
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Speaker 2: remove me. And what thiseman is is saying, and what
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Speaker 2: many Americans, including myself feel, is, listen, you need to
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Speaker 2: follow our laws. You did not follow our immigration laws,
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Speaker 2: so there's going to be a different process for you
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Speaker 2: than an American citizen. And if two immigration courts say
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Speaker 2: you're gang affiliated, if you've beaten your wife and you
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Speaker 2: have protective orders filed against you, if you're accused of
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Speaker 2: trafficking people around this country, which is a major issue
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Speaker 2: human trafficking and sex trafficking, then you no longer have
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Speaker 2: the privilege of being in this country. And by the way,
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Speaker 2: you also came in illegally, So the whole due process conversation,
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Speaker 2: that's where I stack up on that. Now, Listen, I
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Speaker 2: don't believe people should just be rounded up with, you know,
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Speaker 2: just because they see you and they say, oh, get
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Speaker 2: out of here. But if you came to this country legally,
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Speaker 2: you aren't up for deportation. You came here.
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Speaker 1: Illegally, yes, but the still says you're allowed to process. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that I disagree with you know
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Speaker 1: that stance. I'm just saying you still have to abide
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Speaker 1: by what the constitution says.
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Speaker 2: But why did nobody take any issue during the Obama
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Speaker 2: administration when he deported three million people without that due
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Speaker 2: process of yes, you're in here illegally. Yes the court
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Speaker 2: says you're here illegally, but we're going to deport you
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Speaker 2: because you're in the country illegally. There was no extra
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Speaker 2: due process for those three million under Obama, and nobody
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Speaker 2: had an issue with it. So now my question is,
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Speaker 2: why now is there another level of due process besides
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Speaker 2: an immigration court saying you're here illegally, you have a
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Speaker 2: notice to be deported.
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Speaker 1: I've always asked that question as to my knowledge that
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Speaker 1: those people that because Obama deported more more people than
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Speaker 1: any president ever, but those people still were deported, you know,
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Speaker 1: via due process, Like they didn't just grab them and say, hey,
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Speaker 1: what's shipping you off the announce ound.
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Speaker 2: No, but an immigration court said yes, you're up for deportation.
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Speaker 2: But the Obama administration didn't give them this extra due
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Speaker 2: process or you get a trial, or you get but
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Speaker 2: if you go through the courts, that's due process exactly,
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Speaker 2: an immigration court, which that's what President Trump is also doing.
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Speaker 2: It's not just oh, they've never been in front of
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Speaker 2: an immigration judge.
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Speaker 1: The guy from Maryland didn't go go go through due process.
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Speaker 2: Two courts actually not only said that he was gang affiliated.
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Speaker 2: The local PD said he's gang affiliated. A informant says
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Speaker 2: he's gang affiliated.
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Speaker 1: But that has nothing to do with due process all that.
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Speaker 2: But two courts already said you're gang affiliated and you're
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Speaker 2: an illegal immigrant. I mean, there's no dispute that he's
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Speaker 2: an illegal immigrant, and there's no dispute that the courts
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Speaker 2: say he's gang affiliated.
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Speaker 1: But that has nothing to do with his due process.
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Speaker 1: I'm with you, but that has nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: his due process. That just means that he has committed
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Speaker 1: some crimes, but he's still allowed due process. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's where a lot of Democrats are getting caught
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Speaker 1: up in. They're so focused on defending his character or
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Speaker 1: what he may or may not have done, But we
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Speaker 1: should just be talking about the due process that has
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Speaker 1: allowed people within the constitution.
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Speaker 2: So do you want him to go in front of
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Speaker 2: another immigration judge? Then I guess that's my question, is
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Speaker 2: that he's been in front of immigration judges. He's in
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Speaker 2: the country illegally and has been for many many years. Right,
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Speaker 2: not only came to this country illegally, but then since
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Speaker 2: then you have protective orders against you. Your wife says
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Speaker 2: she's scared of you. You're wife's ex husband said, Hey,
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about my kids because my ex wife is
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Speaker 2: dating a gang member. And you got caught on bodycam
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Speaker 2: footage allegedly trafficking people across my state of Tennessee. So
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Speaker 2: at some point, it's like, how much more? How many
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Speaker 2: more judges need to say this cat needs to leave?
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Speaker 2: And I would also ask this, there are Americans who
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Speaker 2: are accused of being gang members all the time, and
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Speaker 2: I feel that they get less benefit of the doubt
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Speaker 2: than someone who came to this country legally, and that
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Speaker 2: should infuriate Americans that there are people sitting in jail
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Speaker 2: right now who I feel probably get less attention, less advocacy,
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Speaker 2: and they're riding in jail than someone who came to
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Speaker 2: our country legally and then continued to break our laws
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Speaker 2: and endanger people. So that's my perspective. And then I
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Speaker 2: get what you're saying about the due process.
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Speaker 1: I understand that's literally the only conversation. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: that he shouldn't even you know, I'm not saying that
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Speaker 1: he should not be deported. I'm just simply saying he
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Speaker 1: should have to go through due process. That's it. I
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Speaker 1: think that. You know, the people like just keep saying, well,
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Speaker 1: he committed this crime. He committed that crime that has
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with the due process that he's allowed
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Speaker 1: within the constitution. What do you think about Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: taking the plane? Constitution also says you can't do that either.
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Speaker 2: That's another again, that's another great area. I'm not a lawyer,
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Speaker 2: is that well, because here's the deal, I understand and
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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not fully saying I even support it.
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Speaker 2: I see the present position. Hey, if they're going to
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Speaker 2: give us this plane, otherwise taxpayers are going to pay
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Speaker 2: for it. We need a new air Force one and
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Speaker 2: they don't have it ready for us. They were supposed
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Speaker 2: to have it ready for us. They don't have it
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Speaker 2: ready for us. If Katar is willing to give us
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Speaker 2: this plane and it can save us some money, maybe
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Speaker 2: we should do it. Save the people some money. Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump doesn't look at things like a typical politician. He
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Speaker 2: looks at it like maybe your average person would say, hey,
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Speaker 2: you're gonna give me this and I don't have to
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Speaker 2: pay for it. Okay, I'll take it. And I understand
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Speaker 2: there are many people on prohibits that there are many
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Speaker 2: people on my side of the aisle who also agree
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Speaker 2: with you, Like, hey, what are they getting in return?
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Speaker 2: And I need to know that as well. So I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying that I don't. I'm just like, yes, take
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Speaker 2: the plane. I would prefer you didn't, But I understand.
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Speaker 1: Do you prefer he didn't tell me?
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Speaker 2: I don't want to be beholden to potentially hostile nations
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Speaker 2: in the.
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Speaker 1: Middle least, And you know it's unconstitutional.
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Speaker 2: I understand your point on that. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it is unconstitutional, it is.
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Speaker 1: The US Constitution prohibits, it's it's textbook unconstitutional. All I want,
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Speaker 1: regardless of party, is a president who upholds the Constitution
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Speaker 1: at all times.
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Speaker 2: Do you feel like President jow Biden did that?
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Speaker 1: Uh? No, probably not in all cases. But that's why
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Speaker 1: I said, regardless of the party, I want a president
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Speaker 1: who upholds the Constitution at all times. I don't think
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Speaker 1: the Constitution should be flexible.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know there are some on the left
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Speaker 2: that want the Constitution to be flexible when it comes
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Speaker 2: to the Second Amendment and you know, other parts of
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Speaker 2: the Constitution. So some people say it's a living document.
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Speaker 2: It changes with the times. Other people say, listen, it's
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Speaker 2: the original intention. And I think there are times where
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Speaker 2: we probably agree on different points and disagree on others.
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Speaker 2: I take your point, though, about the plane, I'm not
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Speaker 2: cheering for like, I'll be honest about that. I'm like, hey,
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Speaker 2: if we can avoid that, let's let's avoid that. Let's
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Speaker 2: just not even go into the gray area. I would
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Speaker 2: prefer that. But I see the President sees it as
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Speaker 2: let's save some money for the American people. I think
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Speaker 2: he really does care about that. I really do believe
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Speaker 2: that he sees things like a business and that's his
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Speaker 2: perspective on it. And I think that he appreciates the gesture.
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Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't love it.
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Speaker 1: It's still unconstitutional and it could be a national security ASKM.
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Speaker 2: I understand that I don't disagree with you on that point.
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Speaker 1: It could the plans probably, but it could be a
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Speaker 1: bomb all we know.
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Speaker 2: I'm I don't disagree with you on that point. I
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Speaker 2: would need to know more as well.
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Speaker 1: Is that you get a grandchout of immigrants.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think most of us are grandchildren of immigrants.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because because you said, America's just stop being a
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Speaker 1: dumping ground for other countries' problems, right, correct, So at
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Speaker 1: what point did your family's journey stop being noble and
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Speaker 1: start being disposable to you?
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Speaker 2: Well? Point take and what you're trying to do with that.
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Speaker 2: So here's my thing. We are a nation of immigrants.
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Speaker 2: We once had a process for it, and then it
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Speaker 2: became a free for all. We have to know who's
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Speaker 2: coming into our country, the days of coming into this country,
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Speaker 2: and we can agree to disagree on who came in
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Speaker 2: and how they came in, and I'm happy to have
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Speaker 2: the conversation. But when my family or my lineage came
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Speaker 2: into this country, they didn't come into this country and
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Speaker 2: they didn't get a four horse hose, our hotel room,
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Speaker 2: they didn't get all their meals paid for. They didn't
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Speaker 2: get lodging and health care and schooling and everything that
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Speaker 2: the legal immigrants that are coming in now are afforded,
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Speaker 2: and they're sucking up the resources from people who really
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Speaker 2: need it. It's really hard for people like me and
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Speaker 2: on my side to rationalize and I think many people
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Speaker 2: that don't have a party affiliation to rationalize importing millions
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Speaker 2: and millions of people into this country, allowing them to
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Speaker 2: use all of our services and allowing them to stay
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Speaker 2: even though they didn't follow the process to get here.
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Speaker 2: So that's the point. We want immigrants. There's nothing saying
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Speaker 2: we don't we need immigrants. We need them, we love them,
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Speaker 2: we need them, we need a process. We do it right,
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Speaker 2: just do it the right way. And if we didn't
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Speaker 2: have so many that came in the wrong way, we
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Speaker 2: could allow more people to come in the right way.
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Speaker 2: And we want to foster that. And I don't think
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Speaker 2: President Trump is anti immigrant. He's married to an immigrant,
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Speaker 2: you know, Jade Vance is married to someone who's come
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Speaker 2: from a family of immigrants from India. Like, we're not
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Speaker 2: anti immigrant, just come the right way. And it's really
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Speaker 2: hard when I see the people in New York City
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Speaker 2: or the people in Chicago or in la and you
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Speaker 2: see people that are struggling that they can't afford their
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Speaker 2: daily life, and then you see illegal aliens in a
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Speaker 2: force our hotel and you see them getting their needs
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Speaker 2: taken care of, and you see Americans falling by the wayside.
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Speaker 1: You want to see me. Pushed back on that one,
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Speaker 1: I agree with that you are.
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Speaker 3: Often classified as like controversial, that's how people describe you.
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Speaker 3: How much is that of that is intentional or in
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Speaker 3: how much of it is really you standing on business
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Speaker 3: of what you believe in.
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Speaker 2: I would say I'm much like you two in that regard.
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Speaker 2: I don't go out of my way to be controversial.
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of people that have found this
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Speaker 2: new media and on the right that they say things
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Speaker 2: to be controversial, and they say things to get attention.
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Speaker 2: I don't do that. I really just have a perspective
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Speaker 2: and I'm happy to say it, and it's meaningful to
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Speaker 2: me and it's well thought out. I don't just say things.
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Speaker 2: I think about it and I say it and then
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Speaker 2: I stand by it. But I don't say things just
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Speaker 2: to be controversial. And I like having conversations with people.
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Speaker 2: I really do. I really do believe that most of
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Speaker 2: us in this country want what's best for this country.
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Speaker 2: We have different ways of going about it, but this
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Speaker 2: is America. That's why we talk. And for too long
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Speaker 2: we just didn't talk to each other. And I think
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Speaker 2: now the barriers are starting to be broken down in
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Speaker 2: that regard, and I'm really happy to see.
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Speaker 3: That is your bolton. Do you feel like your boldness
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Speaker 3: is mis understood sometimes?
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I think maybe less over the years because I've
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Speaker 2: taken so many hits from the right. Maybe you know
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Speaker 2: there are people that will no matter what, they will
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Speaker 2: stand up for Mega and Trump and whatever, and they
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Speaker 2: will stand up for the side and they will die
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Speaker 2: in the hill of the side. I don't do that,
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Speaker 2: and I think that that lacks integrity when people do it.
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Speaker 2: Happy if people disagree with me on either side, because
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Speaker 2: at least you know that what I'm saying is actually
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Speaker 2: what I feel and you cannot like it, but it's
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Speaker 2: not something that I'm saying to just bat for somebody.
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Speaker 2: So I hope that at least there's some respect for that,
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Speaker 2: and I think that there is now, and I think
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Speaker 2: things are changing, and I think that podcasting and more
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Speaker 2: people having platforms has added to that, which I'm happy
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Speaker 2: to see.
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Speaker 1: I want to go back to the immigration thing real quick,
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Speaker 1: Like this is a hypothetical question, like you know, the
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Speaker 1: legal immigration process can take like twenty plus years. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: would you wait that long if your children were, say,
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Speaker 1: fleeing a cartel of violence or war, right, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean.
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Speaker 2: So I understand your point, and I really do empathize
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Speaker 2: with anybody who doesn't live in the US that wants
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Speaker 2: to get here. This is the greatest nation on the
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Speaker 2: face of the earth, and I understand that. Now, the
15:48
Speaker 2: part about immigration and illegal immigration is this those people
15:52
Speaker 2: that are coming out of this country. When you're seeking
15:54
Speaker 2: genuine asylum or you're an actual refugee. First of all,
15:58
Speaker 2: you got to show up to your asylum hearings, and
15:59
Speaker 2: you got to show up. Ninety plus percent don't that's
16:03
Speaker 2: a problem. But coming here because you want better economic opportunities,
16:06
Speaker 2: that's not asylum. And many people that have come over
16:09
Speaker 2: in the last four years they want better economic opportunities,
16:12
Speaker 2: and I don't fault them for that, but that's not asylum.
16:14
Speaker 2: I would also say this, if you're coming over because
16:16
Speaker 2: you're fearful of your government, or you're in a war
16:19
Speaker 2: torn country, or you're in a country that's run by cartels,
16:21
Speaker 2: paying those cartels, then to smuggle you into our country
16:25
Speaker 2: does not help your country, because you don't come over
16:27
Speaker 2: here without paying a cartel. You're paying ten thousand, fifteen thousand,
16:31
Speaker 2: twenty thousand, and if you're a special interest alien who's
16:34
Speaker 2: coming for nefarious purposes. You're paying more, so you're not
16:37
Speaker 2: helping your country if you're coming from Honduras or Guatemala
16:42
Speaker 2: or Nicaragua and you're funding the very organization that's destroying
16:46
Speaker 2: your country. So that's why we have to get a
16:48
Speaker 2: grip on it for a lot of reasons. I want
16:50
Speaker 2: those countries to thrive. They're never going to thrive if
16:52
Speaker 2: people are paying the very organizations that are destroying them.
16:55
Speaker 1: What about people who are fleeing those countries just because
16:57
Speaker 1: they want a better life. You have cos empathy for
17:00
Speaker 1: an inlet, of course, I have.
17:01
Speaker 2: Empathy for everybody. But there's still a process, because there's
17:04
Speaker 2: no reason that somebody should go through the process and
17:07
Speaker 2: pay a lot of money legitimately and wait five or
17:10
Speaker 2: ten years because they want to be an American so
17:12
Speaker 2: badly and then watch someone skip over them.
17:14
Speaker 1: But you can understand if the process is literally life
17:18
Speaker 1: or death. Depending on his process's life or death. I
17:20
Speaker 1: got to get my kids out of here now, I
17:22
Speaker 1: got to get out of here now. My whole family's
17:24
Speaker 1: going to die.
17:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's why we have the asylum process, and
17:26
Speaker 2: that's what it's intended for. Unfortunately, so many people have
17:29
Speaker 2: taken advantage of it that the people that need it,
17:33
Speaker 2: they're the ones that fall through the cracks, the ones
17:34
Speaker 2: that are like, hey, I really am fleeing this. My
17:36
Speaker 2: family is in danger. That's why we have asylum. But
17:39
Speaker 2: when you have people coming over here and lying about it,
17:41
Speaker 2: you can't have that. And that's what we experienced in
17:43
Speaker 2: the last four five years. And it's unfortunate because all
17:47
Speaker 2: that does is hurt the people that need it the most.
17:50
Speaker 2: And that's where I stand on that issue, and I
17:52
Speaker 2: have empathy for everybody. By the way, it's not a
17:55
Speaker 2: matter of I don't like you, I don't want you here.
17:57
Speaker 2: It's just follow the process so that we can have
18:00
Speaker 2: a process, because why would anybody wait in line if
18:02
Speaker 2: they can just do it the wrong way. That's really
18:05
Speaker 2: the point we're trying to get at.
18:06
Speaker 1: You do have empathy with Angel The other day, I
18:11
Speaker 1: think I think she's a First of all, I think
18:13
Speaker 1: she is a hater.
18:14
Speaker 2: That's okay, like maybe we're all haters. I think that
18:19
Speaker 2: she deeply hates Kaitlin Clark, And I.
18:21
Speaker 1: Think did you feel that before three said no?
18:24
Speaker 2: Oh yes, excuse me? So I've seen it since way
18:30
Speaker 2: back in the college days. They don't like each other, right,
18:32
Speaker 2: I think Caitlin Clark doesn't display if she doesn't like
18:36
Speaker 2: her dislike for Angel Rees. I don't think Caitlin Clark
18:39
Speaker 2: displays it. I think Angel Rees, I think she likes
18:42
Speaker 2: to be the villain too. You know, it works and
18:45
Speaker 2: it works well, I don't. Well, maybe it works for
18:49
Speaker 2: you too. I mean, I think that Angel hates Kaitlin Clark,
18:56
Speaker 2: and it's okay.
18:56
Speaker 1: She is such a strong word. Why can't it just
18:58
Speaker 1: be competitive? Like we don't I can't think of too
19:01
Speaker 1: many times we've said that with guys, you know what
19:03
Speaker 1: I mean, Like they hate each other just because they're
19:05
Speaker 1: super competitive on the court.
19:07
Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's always been a rivalry and
19:10
Speaker 2: a feud in sports and in boxing and all of this.
19:13
Speaker 2: But I think when you see Angel reason the way
19:16
Speaker 2: she reacts to specifically Caitlin Clark, I think it's hard
19:18
Speaker 2: to dispute that she dislikes Caitlin Clark. And it's okay
19:22
Speaker 2: if she does, Like, you're not gonna like everybody.
19:24
Speaker 1: Well, last night the Fever played. I think they played
19:28
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Dream. What did the dream let me make
19:30
Speaker 1: sure it was the dream. I just know her and
19:32
Speaker 1: Ryan Howard got it was a dream. I think, so, yeah,
19:34
Speaker 1: it was a dream. And she got into it with
19:36
Speaker 1: Ryan Howard and they had words back and forth and
19:38
Speaker 1: they had to hold Ryan back and Caitlyn said, I'm
19:40
Speaker 1: not scared of you. That's just competitive nobody. There's no
19:43
Speaker 1: narrative this morning that Ryan hates Caitlin. I just think
19:47
Speaker 1: it's the rivalry thing between Caitlyn and Angel and we're
19:49
Speaker 1: just not used to seeing that in women's basketball.
19:52
Speaker 2: We're not. And maybe it's good for the sport. It's
19:55
Speaker 2: bringing eyes to it. So finally women get you know,
19:59
Speaker 2: women I have been dumped on, in my opinion for
20:01
Speaker 2: the last five years and had sports hijacked, and they've
20:04
Speaker 2: you know, they they haven't had their their due, and
20:08
Speaker 2: now they're being talked about. So you know what, if
20:10
Speaker 2: Angel Reese is playing it up to get eyeballs, good
20:13
Speaker 2: for her speaking.
20:15
Speaker 1: Of that, because you know, we just talked about both
20:16
Speaker 1: of us being villains. Do you have a worry that
20:18
Speaker 1: your brand depends more on outrage than solutions?
20:21
Speaker 2: No? No, maybe early on we evolve, We all evolve.
20:25
Speaker 2: I think I don't think any more people would say
20:28
Speaker 2: that about me. Maybe some would, maybe you would, but
20:31
Speaker 2: I don't think so anymore. I don't try to outrage people.
20:36
Speaker 2: I just have conversations and I say things that I'm thinking,
20:39
Speaker 2: and not everybody likes it, but welcome to what we
20:42
Speaker 2: do for a living. You know, if you have an
20:43
Speaker 2: opinion and you stand by it, there are gonna people
20:45
Speaker 2: that don't like it. But I don't think I do
20:47
Speaker 2: it to outrage people. And I also, to my side,
20:50
Speaker 2: I don't do it to appease people either. So I
20:52
Speaker 2: think we're all probably in that boat in doing what
20:54
Speaker 2: we do.
20:55
Speaker 1: We'll not find interesting about conservative media, especially the people
20:57
Speaker 1: they call conservative fire brands. They do offer solutions, it's
21:02
Speaker 1: just that the solutions you usually offer calls outreage because
21:06
Speaker 1: people don't agree with the which said solutions. So what
21:08
Speaker 1: do you say to that, Well.
21:10
Speaker 2: On the other side, wouldn't it be the same thing, Yes, yeah,
21:13
Speaker 2: So I think it's it's both ways. People are not
21:15
Speaker 2: going to like the way you go about things every time.
21:16
Speaker 2: That's why we have two different parties and we have
21:18
Speaker 2: a party in the middle. Nobody's gonna like everything Democrats
21:21
Speaker 2: do or Republicans do. Someone's gonna be mad, But it's
21:24
Speaker 2: better to do something than to do nothing. And I
21:26
Speaker 2: think that's my whole thing with the Trump administration. People
21:28
Speaker 2: might not like what he's doing, but he ran on
21:30
Speaker 2: it and he's doing exactly what he said he was
21:32
Speaker 2: going to do, and you might not like it, but
21:35
Speaker 2: he's not doing anything different than what he's explicitly said,
21:38
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this, and now he's doing it.
21:40
Speaker 2: And the status call wasn't working. People were not happy
21:42
Speaker 2: with it, So maybe we're going to do something different
21:44
Speaker 2: and people aren't gonna like it. But I think the
21:46
Speaker 2: worst thing is just doing nothing at all.
21:48
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of people who said he
21:50
Speaker 1: never really do these things, like he would never implement,
21:53
Speaker 1: you know, these tariffs, he would never do these mass depotations.
21:56
Speaker 1: Like there was literally people who would hear him say
21:58
Speaker 1: these things and didn't say, no, he's not really going
22:00
Speaker 1: to do that.
22:01
Speaker 2: They didn't learn the first time that he's gonna donna
22:04
Speaker 2: what he said he's gonna do.
22:05
Speaker 1: When somebody shows you who they are, believed him.
22:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, And some people don't like it, but I like it.
22:09
Speaker 2: I like the fact that I voted for someone and
22:11
Speaker 2: they're doing exactly what they said that they were going
22:13
Speaker 2: to do. When people voted for Joe Biden. I don't
22:15
Speaker 2: think they voted for Joe Biden thinking I'm going to
22:18
Speaker 2: open the borders and allow ten to maybe fifteen million
22:21
Speaker 2: people come into this country unvetted, largely unvetted. I don't
22:25
Speaker 2: think people would have voted for that. You know, like,
22:28
Speaker 2: be honest if you're going to run on that, and
22:29
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, I respect democrats that are like open
22:31
Speaker 2: the borders, that's what I want. Okay, well, at least
22:33
Speaker 2: people can vote on that, but don't tell me you're
22:35
Speaker 2: going to do something and then do the complete opposite.
22:37
Speaker 2: Joe Biden ran as a moderate. He was anything but moderate,
22:41
Speaker 2: so he fooled a lot of people. I would argue,
22:43
Speaker 2: Trump's doing exactly what he said, and if you didn't
22:45
Speaker 2: believe him, like, maybe that's on you, But I did you.
22:48
Speaker 1: Know, you talk about women's rights and you say you
22:50
Speaker 1: support women's rights, but the conservative movement actively works the
22:54
Speaker 1: script reproductive freedom. So what rights do you believe women
22:58
Speaker 1: actually deserve?
22:59
Speaker 2: Well, I would like women to be able to play
23:01
Speaker 2: their sports without men hijacking them and taking away their
23:04
Speaker 2: accolades and their accomplishments. So it's hard for me when
23:08
Speaker 2: the when the left talks about women's rights and they
23:10
Speaker 2: only want to talk about abortion, but they don't want
23:12
Speaker 2: to talk about women's sports and spaces. We can have
23:15
Speaker 2: both conversations.
23:16
Speaker 1: I think Wade is way more important women's sports, even
23:18
Speaker 1: though I don't want men playing in women's sports. But
23:20
Speaker 1: I think that a woman's right to choose should always
23:22
Speaker 1: be a woman's right to choose. That shouldn't be scripted
23:24
Speaker 1: away from the well.
23:26
Speaker 2: Do you notice that the left have been very quiet
23:27
Speaker 2: about Trump's abortion bands since he was elected. Wasn't that
23:30
Speaker 2: the big concern before he was elected is that he
23:32
Speaker 2: was going to take away abortion. I haven't heard anything
23:35
Speaker 2: about that. In fact, there are more abortions now than
23:38
Speaker 2: there were under Roe v.
23:40
Speaker 1: Wade because people can't afford to have kids cause the Trump.
23:45
Speaker 2: Four months he's made everything unaccordable. He came in everything,
23:49
Speaker 2: and then four months later everything's gone down.
23:51
Speaker 1: Those have the economy up, Tommy, we got it. Some
23:54
Speaker 1: things we have to admit because they're right there in
23:57
Speaker 1: our faith.
23:58
Speaker 2: I say, trust the process on tariffs, and if they
24:01
Speaker 2: don't work, we'll have that discussion.
24:03
Speaker 1: But how long is the process, like and to your point,
24:06
Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump and Elon Musk both said there
24:09
Speaker 1: was going to be a lot of pain right because
24:11
Speaker 1: of these things that they were going to implement. But
24:13
Speaker 1: people can't afford that, Like you got sixty percent of
24:16
Speaker 1: the country is living check the check. So how long
24:19
Speaker 1: is this process is going to be? Well a lot
24:21
Speaker 1: of hand I can hand it, but most people can't.
24:24
Speaker 2: Well, there there is a pause on the tariffs, so
24:26
Speaker 2: we worked out a deal with China. There's going to
24:28
Speaker 2: be more deals to come. Here's my thing. President Trump
24:31
Speaker 2: is saying, we've been getting screwed by the rest of
24:33
Speaker 2: the world, ripped off, and we're not going to get
24:35
Speaker 2: ripped off anymore. So countries are coming to the table
24:39
Speaker 2: and they're going to make deals that are better and
24:41
Speaker 2: they're not going to be one hundred and fifty five
24:42
Speaker 2: percent tariffs. They're going to make deals and then it's
24:45
Speaker 2: going to be more fair for everybody. We're going to
24:46
Speaker 2: bring down the cost of prescription drugs, which is going
24:48
Speaker 2: to help people right now, the big beautiful bill, no
24:51
Speaker 2: tax on tips, so and extending the Trump tax cuts
24:54
Speaker 2: which benefit eighty percent of Americans. So there are going
24:57
Speaker 2: to be things within this administration, they're going to alleviate
25:01
Speaker 2: some of the short term pain that tariffs would cause.
25:03
Speaker 2: This president is dedicated to that. I've never seen somebody
25:06
Speaker 2: who cares more about the middle class, working man and
25:09
Speaker 2: woman than President Trump. He is willing to piss off
25:11
Speaker 2: Wall Street, big Pharma, everybody to try to benefit the
25:16
Speaker 2: American people. I respect that, and a lot of people
25:19
Speaker 2: say they're going to do it, and they haven't done it.
25:21
Speaker 2: The prescription drug thing, how many people have told us
25:23
Speaker 2: we're going to get down the price of prescription drugs,
25:25
Speaker 2: and they did not want to piss off big farmers,
25:27
Speaker 2: so they never did it. And that goes to our
25:28
Speaker 2: members of Congress as well. They never did anything. And
25:30
Speaker 2: Trump said, oh, why are we paying this and this
25:33
Speaker 2: country's paying this when the companies that are making it
25:36
Speaker 2: are in our country. No, we're not doing that anymore.
25:38
Speaker 2: I got to respect that he's looking out for the
25:40
Speaker 2: American people, and that's everybody who's paying way too high
25:43
Speaker 2: prices for prescription drugs.
25:44
Speaker 1: I would like for all of this stuff to work,
25:46
Speaker 1: but I disagree that he's looking out for the middle
25:48
Speaker 1: class and the working class because he literally tells the
25:50
Speaker 1: middle class and the working class that you know, hey,
25:52
Speaker 1: you're going to have to do it out for a while,
25:54
Speaker 1: and you know your kids are going to have to
25:55
Speaker 1: have less toys. He doesn't say that to the rich
25:58
Speaker 1: at all. The rich kid, big tacitly at Wall Street?
26:01
Speaker 2: Do your point on tariffs? Like the people that were
26:03
Speaker 2: I understand that there are a lot of people that
26:05
Speaker 2: have their four own case the retirement that we're really
26:07
Speaker 2: worried about Wall Street, But primarily the Wall Street folks
26:10
Speaker 2: that he really pissed off with the tariffs. Those are
26:11
Speaker 2: really wealthy people, so he wasn't afraid to piss them.
26:14
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes him back off. I think
26:16
Speaker 1: is those people. I think when they get mad at
26:17
Speaker 1: him is when he decided, oh I don't think.
26:19
Speaker 2: He cares at all. I do. I And when you
26:21
Speaker 2: say the short term pain, I understand what you're saying,
26:24
Speaker 2: but it's the honesty. You know, during the Biden years,
26:27
Speaker 2: they told us it's actually not that bad, the prices
26:29
Speaker 2: actually aren't up, you're actually not struggling, And people were
26:32
Speaker 2: offended by that because they're like, no, we are struggling.
26:35
Speaker 2: President Trump is saying because of these tariffs and me
26:38
Speaker 2: trying to completely rearrange our economic system. There's going to
26:42
Speaker 2: be some short term pain because other countries are going
26:44
Speaker 2: to try to be big and bold for a few
26:45
Speaker 2: minutes here, but they're going to come to the table
26:48
Speaker 2: because they need us more than we need them. So
26:50
Speaker 2: what he's not saying is like, oh, screw you, I
26:52
Speaker 2: can handle it. You can't. You just pay higher prices.
26:55
Speaker 2: He's saying, let this work, and if we would all
26:58
Speaker 2: join together and let it work. These countries China can't
27:02
Speaker 2: sustain this trade war. They can't. They need us more
27:06
Speaker 2: than we need them. So he's putting the pinch on them.
27:09
Speaker 2: They will come to the table, and I am very
27:11
Speaker 2: confident we will end up something better than we started with.
27:14
Speaker 1: For the American people, that sounds good. But when a
27:17
Speaker 1: person has rent due and they can't pay it and
27:20
Speaker 1: they get evicted, what are they going to do? Where
27:22
Speaker 1: are they going to go? Like all of this stuff
27:23
Speaker 1: sounds good, but we're talking about people who have immediate
27:26
Speaker 1: needs that need to be met right now. They can't
27:28
Speaker 1: even afford a little bit of pain, and there's not
27:30
Speaker 1: a relief to, you know, help get through that. While
27:34
Speaker 1: we have to weather this.
27:35
Speaker 2: Storm right why And I understand that point, and I
27:38
Speaker 2: understand what you're saying, and I think he's doing ever
27:40
Speaker 2: he can to try to help people. I'd also say
27:42
Speaker 2: this the no tax on tips thing, that's going to
27:45
Speaker 2: help a lot of people, No tax on social Security,
27:47
Speaker 2: no tax on overtime. He's doing what he can to say. Listen,
27:50
Speaker 2: I wanted those people that, by the way, didn't start
27:52
Speaker 2: struggling four months ago. They were struggling for years when
27:55
Speaker 2: we shut down the economy over COVID, and people never
27:58
Speaker 2: really got back up on their feet, and their kids
27:59
Speaker 2: were in remote learning, and people were just struggling to
28:01
Speaker 2: keep their businesses afloat. Nobody was really putting the pressure
28:05
Speaker 2: on the Biden administration. Then when we arbitrarily shut everything
28:08
Speaker 2: down for COVID.
28:09
Speaker 1: Oh yes, they were. People was out here raising hell.
28:13
Speaker 2: You think so they got some flying They weren't going
28:15
Speaker 2: and getting their shots and wearing their masks.
28:17
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking about people were raising hell. That's
28:19
Speaker 1: to me, that's one of the reasons that they lost.
28:21
Speaker 1: They lost because they weren't paying attention to what people's
28:24
Speaker 1: everyday need were. They weren't paying attention to what people
28:27
Speaker 1: didn't have in their pocket. That's to me, that's the
28:29
Speaker 1: main reason they lost until your point telling people, hey,
28:32
Speaker 1: everything is fine, the economy is fine because the the
28:35
Speaker 1: stock market is up. The people I'm talking about don't
28:37
Speaker 1: have no stocks.
28:38
Speaker 2: I agree with you, now, I would also say this,
28:40
Speaker 2: there was such a stress too with millions and millions
28:43
Speaker 2: and millions of people coming into this country. That stress resources.
28:47
Speaker 2: So when you've got homeless shelters being turned into migrant facilities,
28:51
Speaker 2: when you've got migrants staying in the Roosevelt Hotel, and
28:54
Speaker 2: you've got people sleeping on the streets and people, like
28:56
Speaker 2: you said, who can't afford rent and all that, like
28:58
Speaker 2: that's infuriating. And part of that is these people. I'm sorry,
29:02
Speaker 2: we feel for you, but we've got to feel for
29:03
Speaker 2: our people first, Like we've got to help our people first.
29:06
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of talk about medicaid and social
29:08
Speaker 2: Security and all this and that Trump wants to take
29:10
Speaker 2: all this away. Trump has been very clear, I am
29:13
Speaker 2: not taking this away from people who need it, but
29:15
Speaker 2: the people that are abusing it, oh yeah, they're gonna
29:17
Speaker 2: lose it so that the people that need.
29:19
Speaker 1: It have it.
29:19
Speaker 2: There.
29:20
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them be surgical about stuff like that yet,
29:23
Speaker 1: meaning that you know, they never go in with a
29:25
Speaker 1: fine tooth comb and cut where you know they're supposed
29:29
Speaker 1: to cut. They usually just go in with a chainsaw
29:32
Speaker 1: literally and just start cutting everything. So it's hard for
29:34
Speaker 1: me to believe that they're going to be surgical when
29:36
Speaker 1: it comes to medicaid.
29:37
Speaker 2: Doesn't it infuriate you though, when people say we're going
29:39
Speaker 2: to start cutting, We're going to cut things we have to,
29:41
Speaker 2: and then nobody has the balls to do it.
29:44
Speaker 1: I want the right things cut. Like See, that's the
29:46
Speaker 1: thing that even with Dolds, right, we've seen in this
29:49
Speaker 1: country the right way to do what Elon Muskin Dolge
29:53
Speaker 1: was attempting to do, and that was with Bill Clinton
29:55
Speaker 1: in the National Partnership for Reinventing Government in the nineties.
29:58
Speaker 1: They did it the right way. They went in there,
30:01
Speaker 1: they were surgical, They met with other federal workers, people
30:05
Speaker 1: that worked in the federal government. They met with you know,
30:08
Speaker 1: people who who people who understand understand what was going
30:12
Speaker 1: on in government, and they cut the right things. They
30:14
Speaker 1: didn't just go in and just start firing people.
30:17
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Trump did offer people, hey, listen, if you
30:20
Speaker 2: don't want to come back to work, we'll pay you
30:22
Speaker 2: through September.
30:23
Speaker 1: That's like taking a chain sort of thing, like you
30:25
Speaker 1: got to be surgical. Like that's why they were cutting
30:27
Speaker 1: things that they need, like they were actually cutting people
30:30
Speaker 1: from the federal government that they need. Like we have
30:32
Speaker 1: a shortage of aviation worker, isn't that.
30:33
Speaker 2: Well we've had a short of shortage of aviation workers
30:36
Speaker 2: for many, many.
30:36
Speaker 1: Years and they got worse Underdults.
30:38
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of the people they were cut and
30:40
Speaker 2: I know Shann Duffy personally, the people that were cut
30:42
Speaker 2: through there. They were not people that are your air
30:43
Speaker 2: traffic controllers, They were not your pilots, they were not
30:46
Speaker 2: people in charge of that. They were extra workers. Now,
30:49
Speaker 2: nobody wants to cut anything, like nobody wants to take
30:51
Speaker 2: someone's job away. But the fact of the matter is
30:54
Speaker 2: is we are going to go bankrupt unless we cut something,
30:56
Speaker 2: so at least be honest with people, like we got
30:58
Speaker 2: to cut something, and people aren't going to like it,
30:59
Speaker 2: Like some one's gonna lose something. That's just the nature
31:01
Speaker 2: of the beast.
31:02
Speaker 1: But when you cutch something, they realize, oh, shoot, we
31:05
Speaker 1: actually need those people and try to hire those people back.
31:08
Speaker 2: That's an f up and you got to you got
31:09
Speaker 2: account for that, and Elon Muskas and I'm I'm not
31:11
Speaker 2: sitting here being an apologist for Elon musk either. By
31:13
Speaker 2: the way, I do think things should be more surgical.
31:16
Speaker 2: But when there's so much waste, fraud and abuse, and
31:18
Speaker 2: they go in and they look at this and it's like,
31:20
Speaker 2: oh my god, we're walking into the house and it's
31:23
Speaker 2: probably a demo mission here, and you try to just
31:26
Speaker 2: fix one little thing at a time that like this
31:29
Speaker 2: is this is so bad that we might need to
31:31
Speaker 2: shut these entire departments down and we can reinvent them
31:34
Speaker 2: and we can reopen them, but it's so bad right now,
31:37
Speaker 2: and the drainage is so bad on our resources. We've
31:40
Speaker 2: got to, you know, cut our losses at some point
31:43
Speaker 2: and then we got to figure out what we're gonna
31:44
Speaker 2: do next. But there was so much abuse and people
31:47
Speaker 2: go into concerts and government workers renting out stadiums and
31:52
Speaker 2: caesars and like just getting away with it.
31:54
Speaker 1: Wait, then they better to measure twice, so you only
31:56
Speaker 1: have to cut once. And once again we have history
31:59
Speaker 1: that's show us this can be done the right way.
32:02
Speaker 1: And that's not a party thing. I'm just simple pointing
32:04
Speaker 1: not that Bill Clinton al gored they did it the
32:07
Speaker 1: right way. Yeah, and Elon even said one time he tweeted,
32:10
Speaker 1: what I'm doing is no different than what Clinton did
32:12
Speaker 1: in the nineties. Not true.
32:13
Speaker 2: Well, the extent of the waste fraud and abuse in
32:15
Speaker 2: the nineties is not what it is today, so there's
32:18
Speaker 2: a much different beast to tackle. It's gotten considerably worse
32:21
Speaker 2: because people realize they get out of their hand in
32:22
Speaker 2: the cookie jar and no one was looking, so it
32:24
Speaker 2: got way, way worse. I agree with you, though, there
32:27
Speaker 2: does need to be a methodical process. I think that
32:29
Speaker 2: that has in the last month. I think that's been
32:32
Speaker 2: more so the stance. You're not seeing Doge doing what
32:34
Speaker 2: Doge did on the outside. They came in very zealous
32:37
Speaker 2: and very excited. And I think they've dialed it back
32:40
Speaker 2: because Elon.
32:41
Speaker 1: Got the fuck out of it because he realized it
32:42
Speaker 1: was affecting his real bility. That's what he's still doing it.
32:45
Speaker 2: He's just not his outward on it. But I think
32:47
Speaker 2: they've dialed it back.
32:48
Speaker 1: They named a new president, right, the guy who created
32:50
Speaker 1: Project two thousand and threey five is the new head
32:52
Speaker 1: of DOTS. We got his name, though, I.
32:55
Speaker 2: Don't think so. Elon Musk is still there. I'm still
32:57
Speaker 2: working in dough. She's just taking a step back from
33:01
Speaker 2: the limelight. Yeah.
33:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
33:03
Speaker 3: We recently broke down new evidence in the Tory Lane's case, right,
33:06
Speaker 3: and you highlighted a Republican congresswoman for pushing up for
33:10
Speaker 3: his release. What do you think about conservative stepping into
33:14
Speaker 3: things like that, like the high profile celebrity cases.
33:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there needed to be another look into that
33:19
Speaker 2: case and the new evidence that they found, and some
33:23
Speaker 2: of the evidence.
33:23
Speaker 1: That was that it's not really evidence, it's hearsay. Well,
33:29
Speaker 1: it's literally like if I was driving a car with
33:31
Speaker 1: Tommy Lauren and I say I heard what her Tommy
33:34
Speaker 1: Laurence say that she's racist and she wants everybody that's
33:37
Speaker 1: black and bron to be sent to another country. That's
33:39
Speaker 1: That's literally what this is like.
33:41
Speaker 2: But Charlie Mane, I'm really confused because if Tory Lanes
33:44
Speaker 2: actually didn't shoot at Meghan this Sallian, wouldn't you be
33:49
Speaker 2: the first person to be like, hey, this person is
33:51
Speaker 2: in jail for the wrong reason and if there's more
33:54
Speaker 2: evidence that could exonerate him.
33:56
Speaker 1: But this is my point is this isn't evidence, but
33:59
Speaker 1: it's not.
33:59
Speaker 2: Here when her best friend is given immunity, and the
34:05
Speaker 2: whole thing is that the friend is actually the one
34:07
Speaker 2: that was shooting the gun and he hit her hand
34:09
Speaker 2: down and then that's why the gun fired at the
34:11
Speaker 2: ground and hit feet. If that really happened and the
34:15
Speaker 2: person that maybe actually did it was given immunity, there's
34:19
Speaker 2: a problem.
34:20
Speaker 1: And listen, I'm not saying the course get it right
34:21
Speaker 1: all the time, all of that went through court already.
34:23
Speaker 1: Here's my problem with this, with this situation, and it's
34:26
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with Tory, make any of these
34:28
Speaker 1: people involved. It's just simply when something is presented in
34:31
Speaker 1: the court and there's actual evidence in testimony right that
34:36
Speaker 1: says this happened, why do we put hearsay? Why do
34:41
Speaker 1: we give hearsay more weight than we give that.
34:43
Speaker 2: I think you just have to take it into account.
34:44
Speaker 2: And I would think you'd be the first person to
34:46
Speaker 2: be like, hey, if somebody's in there wrongfully and there's
34:48
Speaker 2: more evidence to possibly exonerate them, we need to take
34:51
Speaker 2: a look at it.
34:51
Speaker 1: Why didn't we take it into account during the tryout?
34:53
Speaker 2: A guy I can tell you exactly why, because George Gascon,
34:56
Speaker 2: who is the now. He was facing two recall attempts, right,
35:00
Speaker 2: and he was desperate to show that he could do
35:02
Speaker 2: a big, high profile case. And if you put Tory
35:05
Speaker 2: Lanes behind bars with enhancements for ten years, you look
35:09
Speaker 2: good and it's like all and especially when you're doing
35:11
Speaker 2: it on behalf of a mega celebrity like Megan the
35:14
Speaker 2: Stallion who has a much bigger following than Tory Lane's
35:16
Speaker 2: and much bigger profile. So George Gascon who doesn't want
35:20
Speaker 2: to put anybody in jail. By the way, then slap
35:22
Speaker 2: is a ten year sentence on Tory Lanes and you
35:25
Speaker 2: give immunity to the friend with a jury.
35:27
Speaker 1: It was a jury, a jury, a jury, a jury
35:30
Speaker 1: decided Tory Lanes feed, not just the judge.
35:33
Speaker 2: Well, but there was enhancements by the DA so and
35:36
Speaker 2: enhancements are unheard of. But what I'm saying, I don't
35:39
Speaker 2: know when you enhance the crime ten years for what
35:43
Speaker 2: he's accused of, When you when you add extra onto it,
35:46
Speaker 2: and you add enhancements do to the nature of the crime,
35:47
Speaker 2: and you're not willing to do that in many other cases,
35:50
Speaker 2: it's like, what are you throwing the book at this guy?
35:52
Speaker 1: I didn't think that was throwing the book at him.
35:54
Speaker 2: He threw the book at him.
35:56
Speaker 1: For shooting, if he did, if he threw the s
36:00
Speaker 1: at him.
36:00
Speaker 2: And first of all, it's hard to go to jail
36:02
Speaker 2: in LA And the whole thing on this is this
36:07
Speaker 2: you need to everyone involved because it all actually is here,
36:10
Speaker 2: Shay at the end of the day, isn't it If
36:11
Speaker 2: you're at a house party and it's like, well, she
36:13
Speaker 2: said that he shot, and he said, if you have listen, if.
36:16
Speaker 1: Tory Lanez didn't do this, I'd pray he comes home.
36:20
Speaker 1: But when you have actual evidence, you know him making
36:23
Speaker 1: a phone call from jail apologizing for whatever happened that night.
36:26
Speaker 1: You know eye witnessed that said they saw him do it,
36:29
Speaker 1: plus the person who got actually shot saying he did it,
36:33
Speaker 1: finding the gun in the car. The DNA was inconclusive,
36:36
Speaker 1: right because they said it was a male DNA and
36:37
Speaker 1: female DNA on the gun. If you have all of that,
36:40
Speaker 1: you can see.
36:41
Speaker 2: Why do anything conclusive? Though? Isn't there some room for
36:44
Speaker 2: doubt there if there's both DNA on that gun and
36:48
Speaker 2: he and his story is listen, this other person is
36:51
Speaker 2: shooting and I'm hitting their arm and this is what happened.
36:54
Speaker 2: He's not saying that nobody. You know that he wasn't
36:56
Speaker 2: at fault at all.
36:57
Speaker 1: Why not tell that story in court? And the driver
36:59
Speaker 1: that's that they overheard Kelsey say that during the trial.
37:02
Speaker 1: Why didn't that driver say something then? And what reason
37:05
Speaker 1: would Torri have to protect Kelsey? And what reason would
37:08
Speaker 1: Meg have to protect Kelsey? Why wouldn't Megan.
37:10
Speaker 2: Say a friend not after you shoot me?
37:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's your friend right there. If he shoots you,
37:15
Speaker 1: you telling yeah?
37:16
Speaker 2: But maybe if there's a dispute there. And I don't
37:18
Speaker 2: know because I wasn't there, like obviously Tommy wasn't there.
37:22
Speaker 2: But my thing is, if there's more evidence, let's take
37:24
Speaker 2: a look at it, because we don't need an innocent
37:26
Speaker 2: person rotting in jail who was nearly killed two weeks ago.
37:31
Speaker 2: If there's evidence to suggest that we miss something here,
37:34
Speaker 2: let's take a look at it.
37:35
Speaker 1: Is he say evidence though? If you're in the car
37:37
Speaker 1: with a driver today Tommy and a driver says I
37:41
Speaker 1: overheard Tommy Lawrence saying X, Y and Z. How much
37:43
Speaker 1: creedi should we?
37:44
Speaker 2: Why were we not? Why were we not testing for
37:46
Speaker 2: gun reside? On everybody's hands why And if the DNA
37:49
Speaker 2: is inconclusive and there's two sides of a story here,
37:51
Speaker 2: I don't I think the whole thing ends up being here,
37:53
Speaker 2: say doesn't it? So let's take a look. And I'm
37:56
Speaker 2: not saying that I can tell you he didn't do it.
37:58
Speaker 2: I wasn't there. But if there's more to take a
38:00
Speaker 2: look at, I don't think that someone should be riding
38:03
Speaker 2: in jail for ten years getting stabbed and possibly killed.
38:06
Speaker 2: If there's more evidence, let's just take a look at it.
38:09
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all we're saying. And I actually think
38:12
Speaker 2: that a Republican stepping into that void and saying there
38:15
Speaker 2: could be a man in jail that shouldn't be and
38:18
Speaker 2: saying I want to take a look at it and
38:19
Speaker 2: put eyeballs on it. Republicans aren't really known for doing that,
38:23
Speaker 2: So congratulations to her for doing it, right, I think,
38:26
Speaker 2: just take a look at it.
38:28
Speaker 1: Has anybody ever told you that your commentary endangered in
38:31
Speaker 1: real life?
38:32
Speaker 2: Not in real life? People say a lot on the internet.
38:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, if so, what responsibility you think you would be
38:38
Speaker 1: it for that?
38:40
Speaker 2: Do you think that your free speech that you should
38:42
Speaker 2: be held accountable for everything that everybody does? Because they
38:45
Speaker 2: hear you say something. Depends Yeah, I can't think of anything,
38:49
Speaker 2: and maybe I'm wrong that I have said that would
38:52
Speaker 2: endanger somebody. I've never called for violence against anybody. I've
38:56
Speaker 2: never you know, if people don't like what I say, okay,
39:00
Speaker 2: But and if people agree with me and then they're
39:02
Speaker 2: deranged and they do something, that's not on me anymore
39:05
Speaker 2: than it would be on you if someone agreed with
39:07
Speaker 2: you and then they wanted to carry out something because
39:09
Speaker 2: they heard you say something and they're deranged and took
39:10
Speaker 2: it the wrong way. I don't think I say anything
39:13
Speaker 2: to endanger people. And if I've ever said anything that
39:15
Speaker 2: I take back, I will apologize for it. I have
39:19
Speaker 2: no pride in like if, hey, if I said something
39:21
Speaker 2: and I set it off the cuff and I was
39:24
Speaker 2: really heated at the time and it was taken out
39:27
Speaker 2: of context, I'll be happy to say, well, let me
39:29
Speaker 2: correct the record on that, or let me take a
39:31
Speaker 2: step back on that. I'm want so prideful that I'm like, Nope,
39:34
Speaker 2: I'm right all the time, and everything I say is gospel.
39:36
Speaker 2: I got that's ridiculous for any of us to say that.
39:39
Speaker 3: It's my last question, how do you protect your piece, right,
39:42
Speaker 3: because when people see Tommy right, they can just see
39:46
Speaker 3: the commentator right, and they like the controversial part of you.
39:49
Speaker 3: But you're still a person first, like just a person first?
39:52
Speaker 3: How do you protect your piece? Do you ever get
39:54
Speaker 3: stressed out in that way that people only see some
39:58
Speaker 3: people can't look fast who you are, you know what
40:01
Speaker 3: I mean, like on your show or like what you're
40:04
Speaker 3: known for. Does that have a bother you or people
40:07
Speaker 3: who don't? They just see you for what you do,
40:10
Speaker 3: like the commentator, the fearless, the boldness. How do you
40:14
Speaker 3: protect your piece with that?
40:16
Speaker 1: First of all? Do you get stressed?
40:17
Speaker 3: And then if so, how do you protect your piece?
40:20
Speaker 2: Sorry, you gotta have a thick skin. You know it,
40:23
Speaker 2: you know it. You can't be in this business and
40:26
Speaker 2: be fragile. No, you just can't. And people are some
40:29
Speaker 2: people are just not going to like you. And I
40:31
Speaker 2: could sit here and I could say anything, and I
40:34
Speaker 2: could do anything, and people some people are just not
40:36
Speaker 2: going to like me, and I have to accept that,
40:38
Speaker 2: and that's okay. But I really have learned and not
40:41
Speaker 2: care so much what people think, especially if they've never
40:43
Speaker 2: met me before. That's my take on it. If you've
40:45
Speaker 2: met me and you're like, I don't like her, she's
40:47
Speaker 2: a bitch. Okay, But if you've never met me, just
40:51
Speaker 2: take the chance. And some people are never going to
40:52
Speaker 2: get the opportunity to understand that nobody's ever going to
40:54
Speaker 2: meet you and have their personal opinion. I like to
40:57
Speaker 2: think and I believe that if people meet me like
40:59
Speaker 2: we're doing today, that they can be like, oh, you
41:00
Speaker 2: know what, I disagree with her, but she's not like
41:02
Speaker 2: this monster. I wish we could talk more to each
41:04
Speaker 2: other because I think if we stop villainizing people based
41:08
Speaker 2: on what they do for a living or the opinions
41:10
Speaker 2: that they have, I feel like we could come together
41:11
Speaker 2: as a country and just say, yeah, we agree to disagree,
41:13
Speaker 2: but I don't hate that person. I don't wish bad
41:16
Speaker 2: things on that person. I hope we're getting there, and
41:18
Speaker 2: I think more conversations like this help us to get there.
41:22
Speaker 1: Do you think I only got a couple more questions?
41:24
Speaker 1: Do you think like the conservative movement, even the liberal
41:26
Speaker 1: movement more so? I guess on like cable news network.
41:29
Speaker 1: Do you think they're more concerned with influencing policy or
41:32
Speaker 1: just going viral?
41:34
Speaker 2: I think there are people that are interested in going viral. Sure,
41:37
Speaker 2: people are making money off of it now, Like when
41:39
Speaker 2: I started doing it, I wasn't making money off of it,
41:42
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't getting ad share revenue off of it,
41:44
Speaker 2: and I wasn't on X trying to do the engagement
41:47
Speaker 2: farming so I could get my check from X every month.
41:49
Speaker 2: So I was just doing it because I really felt it.
41:51
Speaker 2: There are people now that realize there is money in it.
41:53
Speaker 2: So you can say crazy things and you can get
41:55
Speaker 2: a lot of clicks and people will talk about you,
41:57
Speaker 2: But you got to live with yourself at night if
41:59
Speaker 2: you're doing it for that reason, and if you're just
42:00
Speaker 2: doing it to get the attention, and people can see
42:03
Speaker 2: through it. I think people are so good at detecting
42:04
Speaker 2: bs at this point, and they can tell when someone's
42:06
Speaker 2: not genuine and they're just saying it to say it
42:09
Speaker 2: or to go viral. But I don't feel the people
42:11
Speaker 2: that I work with at Fox are very meaningful with
42:15
Speaker 2: what they say. And I feel that the.
42:18
Speaker 1: People that I want, some of them are just funny.
42:20
Speaker 1: Jesse Watter is just entertaining.
42:22
Speaker 2: He's fun.
42:23
Speaker 1: But do I believe Jesse believes the things he says? Yes?
42:27
Speaker 2: I do.
42:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he's just up to being entertained.
42:29
Speaker 1: I know Gutfield is just being entertain but.
42:31
Speaker 2: They're having fun and that's okay. But I don't think
42:34
Speaker 2: that specifically the people that I work with, I don't
42:37
Speaker 2: think they're doing it to go viral. I really don't.
42:40
Speaker 2: And and at Fox it's like the people that have
42:42
Speaker 2: been doing this for twenty years, they don't want viral.
42:46
Speaker 2: Is like they know what it is, but they're not.
42:47
Speaker 2: You know, Sean Hannity's not like, let me go viral.
42:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think Sean's trying to go viral, do you.
42:52
Speaker 1: You said you were doing it at one time, though, No.
42:55
Speaker 2: I said when I was going viral, I wasn't making
42:58
Speaker 2: money off of it. It wasn't like let me say
43:00
Speaker 2: this so I can go viral and make money or
43:03
Speaker 2: get influenced. I was saying things that I felt and
43:07
Speaker 2: it went viral. But I never did it like let
43:09
Speaker 2: me say this to go viral.
43:11
Speaker 1: Today, I think when you know that when you commentate
43:14
Speaker 1: on certain aspects of the culture, especially black culture, you
43:17
Speaker 1: know that it's gonna cause a lot of people to
43:20
Speaker 1: start engaging with you.
43:21
Speaker 2: Sure, but engaging is fine. Starting a dialogue is fine.
43:25
Speaker 2: I think we should start it out. That's why we
43:27
Speaker 2: do what we do. If nobody's having a conversation based
43:29
Speaker 2: on what you say, you probably shouldn't do this for
43:32
Speaker 2: a living. Like if you just go on and you're like,
43:34
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have a mediocre day today, and I'm
43:36
Speaker 2: just gonna say things that are right down the middle
43:38
Speaker 2: and not piss anyone off, you probably shouldn't be in
43:42
Speaker 2: the talk show business, or the radio business, or any business.
43:46
Speaker 2: But I don't say things. I guess the point I'm
43:48
Speaker 2: trying to make is I've never said anything that I
43:50
Speaker 2: don't believe for the purpose of going viral or making
43:54
Speaker 2: a headline or a SoundBite. I've never done that once.
43:58
Speaker 2: And I've taken real it's from my side of the
44:01
Speaker 2: aisle for things that I've said that didn't go along
44:03
Speaker 2: to get along, So I take it from both sides,
44:06
Speaker 2: and like there's a for me. There's not a calculation
44:09
Speaker 2: that goes into it.
44:09
Speaker 1: Have you ever changed your mind?
44:12
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm sure I've changed my mind. I go valls
44:15
Speaker 2: on things absolutely. You know, and when you you're in
44:19
Speaker 2: this business and you're in it for long enough, like
44:21
Speaker 2: you realize, oh, Wow, some of the stuff that I
44:22
Speaker 2: said when I was twenty four, you know, maybe I
44:25
Speaker 2: wouldn't say today at thirty two. You just you learn
44:29
Speaker 2: and you grow in the business.
44:30
Speaker 1: Have you ever had to alter your personal choices and
44:33
Speaker 1: beliefs to protect your image from a base that judges
44:37
Speaker 1: women harshly?
44:39
Speaker 2: Well, people say really nasty stuff to women. So it's
44:42
Speaker 2: not fun when people pick on your looks or they
44:44
Speaker 2: pick on everything about you or oh you you know,
44:47
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit there and correct everyone that's like,
44:48
Speaker 2: oh you had a nose job. I didn't have a
44:50
Speaker 2: nose job. But if you want to think I had
44:52
Speaker 2: a nose job whatever. I mean, it's if women take
44:55
Speaker 2: it just in much different way than men. Like they
44:57
Speaker 2: don't pick on what men wear, they don't pick on
45:00
Speaker 2: how they're just women. It's like, oh, yeah, this is
45:02
Speaker 2: why is she wearing this? She's ugly? Why you know,
45:04
Speaker 2: why is she wear that? Or why is her makeup?
45:07
Speaker 2: Like that's fine.
45:09
Speaker 1: I guess I'm saying conservatives. A lot of conservatives I hate,
45:12
Speaker 1: I really do hate saying conservative liberal, But I really
45:14
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of conservatives feel like women have
45:16
Speaker 1: a place.
45:17
Speaker 2: Do you think so? Yeah, absolutely, I would say there
45:20
Speaker 2: are a lot of women in the Trump administration right
45:22
Speaker 2: now that are in very high roles that are not
45:23
Speaker 2: in the place that maybe old conservatism would say that
45:27
Speaker 2: they would be in because they're running things like women
45:30
Speaker 2: are really running this administration.
45:31
Speaker 1: I think, do you think conservative media elevates fewer women
45:35
Speaker 1: the real power?
45:37
Speaker 2: Not at all? When I most of the people at
45:40
Speaker 2: my network are women in high places. Are CEO is
45:43
Speaker 2: of woman a woman?
45:44
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and she's okay. So what about like I
45:47
Speaker 1: guess for prime Time, like Lourer Ingram is the only
45:49
Speaker 1: one that has the show on.
45:50
Speaker 2: Well lour Ingram, but I mean if you if you
45:52
Speaker 2: look at our lineup, I mean on right now would
45:54
Speaker 2: probably be Harris Faulkner, who has her own show, and
45:56
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna go sit with her and Outnumbered and
45:59
Speaker 2: that's all women and one man. And then after that
46:01
Speaker 2: is America Reports co anchored by a man and a woman,
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Speaker 2: and then you go into you know, Will Caine, and
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Speaker 2: then you go into The Five, which is mixed group
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Speaker 2: of people, and then you go into Brett Baer, and
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Speaker 2: then you go into Laura Jesse and Sean Yeah, like
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Speaker 2: we don't say, oh we need women here and women,
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Speaker 2: but we have like a very good mix and at
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Speaker 2: my network. When you walk in the people that are
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Speaker 2: running the things, whether the producers senior, they are women.
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Speaker 2: I promise you they are women. Women get things done everywhere,
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Speaker 2: but it Fox women get things done absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you fell under the radar a
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Speaker 3: little bit because the people who now have a candie owns, Oh.
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Speaker 1: That's a good question.
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Speaker 2: See, but I don't. Maybe we're motivated by different things.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what she's motivated by. I couldn't tell you.
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Speaker 2: We're not friends more more than not friends. We're not friends.
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Speaker 2: We're not friendly. You don't fuck with her, you don't
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Speaker 2: like her, We're not friendly. I haven't spoken to her
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Speaker 2: in years and years and years.
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Speaker 1: I did speak before, well in the.
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Speaker 2: Business we have, but we've never been friendly. Got her
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Speaker 2: and I have never been friendly. I don't know she's
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Speaker 2: gonna do her thing.
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Speaker 1: It was like a Caitlin clark Ain's Oh I don't
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Speaker 1: think so.
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Speaker 2: I just we just are not we're not friendly. We're
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Speaker 2: just not friends and that's fine. And she says some
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Speaker 2: crazy stuff sometimes that I really disagree with. I don't
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Speaker 2: like a lot of her commentary. I like some of it,
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Speaker 2: you know, I like some of your commentary, and I
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Speaker 2: don't like others whatever. But my motivations are very I
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Speaker 2: think my monovations are different. I don't know, because that's
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Speaker 2: that's her motivations are hers. I can't tell you what
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Speaker 2: they are. I would never claim to know what someone's
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Speaker 2: intentions are. I don't say things to be controversial for
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Speaker 2: the purpose of being controversial, to go viral, to say
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Speaker 2: things that and maybe she'd and she probably does, believe them.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying she doesn't believe them. I don't do that.
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Speaker 1: You feel like she does though what you're saying, I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why she does it, Like I really
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Speaker 2: could not tell you. And I would never sit here
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Speaker 2: and say, well, I know why someone does something, because
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Speaker 2: I don't know, and I haven't spoken to her in
47:52
Speaker 2: many years. Off her and I were sit down, I'd
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Speaker 2: be like, hey, do you and she would ask me
47:55
Speaker 2: probably the same thing, Hey do you believe everything you're saying? Yes?
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Speaker 2: I do, And I asked her, she'd probably say yes,
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Speaker 2: I do. You know. There could be many women that
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Speaker 2: have platforms. By the way, I think that there's this
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Speaker 2: notion that there can only be like two women in
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Speaker 2: conservative media. I want there to be one hundred women
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Speaker 2: in conservative media with large platforms, and in liberal media,
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Speaker 2: and in between media and people who don't do politics
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Speaker 2: and media. I want everybody to have a voice, and
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Speaker 2: the more voices that we have, the more choices people have.
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Speaker 2: So I think that that's all part of the conversation.
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Speaker 1: Well, Tommy Laurence, make sure you check her out on
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Speaker 1: Fearless on OutKick dot com. When does fear Let's come
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Speaker 1: on every day? Yeah, one pm Eastern, one pm Eastern
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Speaker 1: every day on OutKick dot com. And you can check
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Speaker 1: your commentary out on Fox. Yes, sir, all right, Tommy,
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, Thanks for having me. It's
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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Wake that ass up in the morning.
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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club.