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The Viral Henne Cardigan · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, the blow
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  Speaker 1: up over the viral Henny cardigan. Sky Wheatley's partner's business
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  Speaker 1: goes into external administration and M.
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  Speaker 2: Davies touching baby news.
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  Speaker 1: But first, Sophie, you're still reeling from Molly May and
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  Speaker 1: Tommy Fury's breakup news. As the official outspoken correspondent, can.
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  Speaker 2: You tell us the latest?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we haven't heard any confirmation yet from Molly May.
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  Speaker 1: She has remained silent on this topic. But that hasn't
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  Speaker 1: stopped the rumour mill from going into absolute overdrive. We
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  Speaker 1: are swimming in a lot of rumours on the internet
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  Speaker 1: at the moment. The one gaining the most traction is
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  Speaker 1: the rumour that Tommy cheated on Molly during an alcohol-fuelled
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  Speaker 1: lads holiday to North Macedonia with a Danish girl. Well,
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  Speaker 1: this was actually printed in The Sun. Yeah, according to
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  Speaker 1: The Sun, Tommy was seen kissing a blonde woman in
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  Speaker 1: a nightclub during what they describe as a 2am vodka binge. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this was reportedly just days before Molly May announced their
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  Speaker 1: split on Instagram. A source who claims to have witnessed
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  Speaker 1: the kiss told The Sun he was down in Grey
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  Speaker 1: Goose Vodka and didn't seem to care who saw him
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  Speaker 1: with the girl.
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  Speaker 2: He kissed her.
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  Speaker 1: This will be heartbreaking for Molly May. There was also
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  Speaker 1: a quote that interested me from Molly's so-called friend. And
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  Speaker 1: the friend, of course, isn't named in this article, but
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  Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if her manager, Fran, was
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  Speaker 1: briefing the press. So the friend was quoted in the
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  Speaker 1: newspaper as saying, Molly was told he had cheated on
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  Speaker 1: her with a Danish woman he'd met while he was
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  Speaker 1: away in Macedonia. She didn't want to believe it was true.
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  Speaker 1: When she confronted him and asked him if he had
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  Speaker 1: cheated on her, Tommy didn't deny it. It told Molly
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  Speaker 1: May all she needed to know and she ended it.
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  Speaker 1: He's moved out of the house and she's absolutely reeling
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  Speaker 1: from it all. Tommy's management team have also been working hard.
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  Speaker 2: In the background trying to shoot down some of these rumours.
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  Speaker 1: They released a statement saying that he has been left
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  Speaker 1: horrified by the false rumours and he is also consulting
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  Speaker 1: currently with his lawyers because of these rumours that are
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  Speaker 1: being circulated by the media. It's pretty bold of his
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  Speaker 1: team to come out and label these allegations as false.
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  Speaker 1: Because surely there is a woman waiting in the wings,
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  Speaker 1: just getting ready to tell her story. Yeah, but when
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  Speaker 1: they're talking about false rumors, I think what they're referring
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  Speaker 1: to are the rumors that we touched on on Friday's episode.
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  Speaker 1: And that was in relation to a TikTok rumor that
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  Speaker 1: Tommy had impregnated a boxing coach's daughter.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now that gained a lot of momentum online and people
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  Speaker 1: were harassing the woman, leaving comments saying, tell us that
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  Speaker 1: this isn't Tommy Fury's child. And her dad had to
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  Speaker 1: come out and say, I couldn't believe what we woke
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  Speaker 1: up to. She has a lovely partner. Here's a photo
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  Speaker 1: of them together. So I think that his team are saying, look,
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  Speaker 1: this rumour is not true. It's been proven to be untrue.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got to be really careful about what you're
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  Speaker 1: going to post in the future. Yeah, you need to
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  Speaker 1: get your sources not from TikTok. That's right. That could
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  Speaker 1: be a good start. Now, the paparazzi have been camped
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  Speaker 1: outside Molly's house for days now, which would just be
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  Speaker 1: so incredibly tough when you're going through a breakup. That
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  Speaker 1: being said, I was very interested to see Who were
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  Speaker 1: her support people in that moment? Because we do know
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  Speaker 1: that her sister is currently away on her honeymoon. And
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  Speaker 1: it was so cute because her dad rocked up with
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of flowers. And he has also unfollowed Tommy
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram, which sends a strong message. Fran, her manager,
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  Speaker 1: was also there. as well as a handful of her
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  Speaker 1: other friends. And everyone has been waiting to catch the
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  Speaker 1: first glimpse of Molly since the breakup.
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  Speaker 2: Well, everyone wants to see if she's doing okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it didn't disappoint because the paparazzi snapped Molly and
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  Speaker 1: her friends in the car at the McDonald's drive-thru.
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  Speaker 2: Can she be any more relatable?
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  Speaker 1: That's the first thing that anyone does when they're going
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  Speaker 1: through a breakup. They've got to get in the car
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  Speaker 1: with their friends, put on breakup music and get McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, It is the best therapy.
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  Speaker 1: I would have loved to know what was on their
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  Speaker 1: playlist and what they.
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  Speaker 2: Were discussing in that car.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what they ordered. What about the
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  Speaker 1: person who's serving Molly Mae though?
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  Speaker 2: How awkward. You're like, tell me everything.
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  Speaker 1: Now the paparazzi also snapped photos of Tommy returning home briefly.
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  Speaker 1: He was only there for 40 minutes on Friday, but
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  Speaker 1: it's believed it's the first time Tommy and Molly have
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  Speaker 1: seen each other since their split. And everyone is talking
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  Speaker 1: about what is going to happen to their beautiful six
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  Speaker 1: bedroom mansion. So interestingly, there are reports that according to
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  Speaker 1: the land registry papers, this house, which was bought for
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  Speaker 1: 3.8 million pounds in 2022, was solely purchased in Molly's name.
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  Speaker 1: So this means that Tommy is unlikely to have any
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  Speaker 1: financial stake in this property. I am so happy to
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  Speaker 1: hear that because you can just tell what a safe
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  Speaker 1: haven that home is for Molly. It has her written
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  Speaker 1: all over it. It's her interior design. So I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: it looks like she'll get to keep that in the split. Well,
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  Speaker 1: That works because if you're a de facto in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of if your name is on the paperwork, you
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  Speaker 1: still have some claim to the property. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if the rules are different in the UK, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: hoping that Molly is able to keep the house. Now,
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  Speaker 1: for those who were hoping that maybe Tommy and Molly
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  Speaker 1: might be able to work through their issues, it's looking
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  Speaker 1: more and more unlikely because a large skip has been
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  Speaker 1: seen outside the mansion with a suitcase poking out the
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  Speaker 1: top of it. And many think that this skip is
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  Speaker 1: slowly going to be filled with Tommy's belongings and that
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  Speaker 1: suitcase is his.
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  Speaker 2: If a picture doesn't paint a thousand words.
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  Speaker 1: I think that she wants the paparazzi to see him
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  Speaker 1: having to fish that suitcase out of the skip because
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  Speaker 1: that would be absolutely iconic. It just sends the strong
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  Speaker 1: message that he has done something and we're all waiting
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  Speaker 1: to unpack what that is.
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  Speaker 2: He needs to be put in the bin, doesn't he?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. I don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear.
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  Speaker 1: Author Kate Forster says she's been inundated with prank calls
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  Speaker 1: and online abuse since creating a TikTok video calling out
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  Speaker 1: the viral Henny cardigan. The 53-year-old questioned why young people
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  Speaker 1: all want to look the same by wearing the cult
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  Speaker 1: cardigan created by fashion influencer Nadia Bartel. So this cardigan
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  Speaker 1: has been all over my For You page.
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  Speaker 2: It is everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Every time I go on TikTok, I'm seeing a fashion
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  Speaker 1: influencer either reviewing this cardigan or or showing how to
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  Speaker 1: style it. Now, the cardigan is called Celine, and what
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  Speaker 1: makes it stand out is the fact that it's fluffy.
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  Speaker 1: So it's made from alpaca blend, and it comes in
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  Speaker 1: a range of different colors. It currently retails for $ 229,
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  Speaker 1: which is quite expensive for a cardigan.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is pricey.
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  Speaker 1: I don't own the Viral Henny cardigan, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to put it out there, please no one come after me.
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  Speaker 1: But I know that this is one item of clothing
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  Speaker 1: that my husband would pay me out for wearing. So
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  Speaker 1: it's more of like girls get this kind of fashion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. This is something that I don't think guys
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  Speaker 2: would get.
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  Speaker 1: And for the purpose of this podcast, I asked my husband,
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  Speaker 1: what is your take on this cardigan? And he said
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  Speaker 1: that he thinks I would look like a little kiwi
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  Speaker 1: fruit wearing it.
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  Speaker 2: Which isn't actually that bad. Like that's kind of cute.
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  Speaker 2: A little Kiwi fruit with fur on it.
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  Speaker 1: I actually think it's a quite a cute way to
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  Speaker 1: describe it, but I pushed him even further and he
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  Speaker 1: said that it kind of looked like the designer got
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  Speaker 1: a glue stick, rubbed it all over the cardigan and
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  Speaker 1: then someone rolled around in hair. Are you trying to
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  Speaker 1: get Brandon cancelled? Because people are very passionate about this cardigan. Well,
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  Speaker 1: after he gave me his honest review, I told him
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  Speaker 1: that women are coming after anyone who speaks badly about
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  Speaker 1: this cardigan and he looked genuinely horrified and he pleaded.
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  Speaker 2: With me not to mention his comments.
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  Speaker 1: So it looks like a really cozy cardigan. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: is being touted as this perfect winter staple because it
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  Speaker 1: looks very warm, especially if you're living in Melbourne where
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  Speaker 1: it's extra cold. Now, this cardigan is currently so hard
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  Speaker 1: to get your hands on. because it is so hyped
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  Speaker 1: up on TikTok.
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  Speaker 4: I have been trying to get my hands on the
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  Speaker 4: items in this package for quite literally months, so I'm
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  Speaker 4: very excited to open them. We've all seen the viral
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  Speaker 4: Henny cardigans. I got in two colors, so let's try
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  Speaker 4: them on.
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  Speaker 1: I have noticed that TikTokers are always leaving their LTK
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  Speaker 1: codes that their followers can go and shop their Henny look.
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  Speaker 1: And on the Henny website, this cardigan is currently out
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  Speaker 1: of stock, but there's a little countdown to when it
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  Speaker 1: will be back. So I think it's almost a way
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  Speaker 1: to build hype. Like, oh my God, I've got to
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  Speaker 1: get my hands.
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  Speaker 2: On this cardigan.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but despite it being out of stock, the Henny
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  Speaker 1: marketing team is continuing to drip feed gifted cardigans to
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  Speaker 1: micro influencers purely so they'll post about it, creating more
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  Speaker 1: hype around this item. Well, yeah, I recently saw one
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  Speaker 1: TikToker who has 4,000 followers saying that Henny had just
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  Speaker 1: dropped her the out of stock cardigan, which then motivated
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  Speaker 1: her to create a try on video about it.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what she said. I must be in Henny's Good Books.
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  Speaker 1: Today, unannounced, the postman arrived with a delivery and.
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  Speaker 4: Inside was the sold out Celine cardigan.
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  Speaker 1: It's basically impossible to get your hands on.
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  Speaker 3: Somehow, I got sent one. I am so obsessed.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is a really clever tactic because if
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  Speaker 1: Henny were to gift this out-of-stock cardigan to large influencers.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that would create a lot of animosity
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  Speaker 1: and jealousy, but because they're gifting it to micro influencers
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  Speaker 1: who feel like our friends, it's subtly reminding us, don't
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  Speaker 1: forget about this cardigan.
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  Speaker 2: It's coming out soon.
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  Speaker 1: And also at the same time, we're hearing a micro
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  Speaker 1: influencer who was so appreciative.
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  Speaker 2: To get it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And this brand is one of those cool girl brands.
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  Speaker 2: It's very chic. It's very Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: It was founded by influencer Nadia Bartel in 2019 with
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  Speaker 1: her sister. And it has quickly become a cult favorite.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now, this is where author Kate Forster enters the chat.
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  Speaker 1: So she is a bestselling author who recently joined TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: And in the space of a few weeks, she's gained
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  Speaker 1: over 24,000 followers. And that's by sharing advice and fashion reviews.
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  Speaker 1: And I have to put it out there. I am
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  Speaker 1: a big fan of her content. She is refreshingly honest
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  Speaker 1: and absolutely hilarious. Her content is very satirical and she
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  Speaker 1: just says it how it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She's been popping up a lot for me and I
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  Speaker 1: find her content It's like, it's nothing serious. It's just funny.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I first came across her content when she created a
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  Speaker 1: couple of TikToks about the witchery rebrand.
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  Speaker 2: Here's a snippet of what she said.
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  Speaker 3: Why? Why do you give a fuck about a mid-brand
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  Speaker 3: like bloody witchery? But witchery is just not it. It
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  Speaker 3: was never it.
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  Speaker 2: It was always low.
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  Speaker 3: Rent Mimco and I hate Mimco. So stop worrying about it.
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  Speaker 3: Go and invest in better fashion, better quality, better style,
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  Speaker 3: support young creators. I don't know, just fucking get over witchery.
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  Speaker 1: As you can hear from this clip, she is hilarious,
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  Speaker 1: but she's also very passionate about women supporting other brands
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  Speaker 1: and not just the mainstream brands. Well, since that video,
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  Speaker 1: she's reviewed Zimmerman, Country Road, Sports Girl, Cook Eye, Suzanne's
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  Speaker 1: Spell and also White Fox.
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  Speaker 2: White Fox was one of my favourites.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Go and check it out. Like, oh my God. So
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  Speaker 2: spot on.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't until she shared her thoughts on Henny
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  Speaker 1: that her account really took off. Here's what she said.
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  Speaker 3: So hear me out, right? I see all those girls.
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  Speaker 3: I saw an influencer yesterday to say that all the
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  Speaker 3: women of Australia, except for the fat ones, are wearing
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  Speaker 3: the Henny cardigan. So I don't understand why girls who
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  Speaker 3: say they're influencers are then all wearing the same uniform.
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  Speaker 3: It's this Henny Cardi that, you know, I'm in my
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  Speaker 3: late 20s, early 30s version of a white fox sweater.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just questioning because I do see it a lot.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm just wondering if you're going to be an
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  Speaker 3: influencer and a fashionista, why are you not looking at
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  Speaker 3: other brands for cardigans, for example? And cardigan, why do
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  Speaker 3: you want to wear the same thing as everyone else?
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  Speaker 1: Now, she is bang on describing the Henny cardigan as
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  Speaker 1: the late 20s to 30s version.
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  Speaker 2: Of the white fox jumper because it is exactly what
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  Speaker 2: it is. She has hit the nail on the head.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Kate then proceeded to show her followers a range
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  Speaker 1: of cardigans that other small brands sold and question why
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  Speaker 1: you'd want to look like the same person walking down
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  Speaker 1: the street.
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  Speaker 2: She then finished by saying this.
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  Speaker 3: Can I stop saying the same fashion influences wearing the
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  Speaker 3: same frigging things? It's not a uniform. Start showing me
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  Speaker 3: what's good, not what everyone else is wearing.
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  Speaker 1: In a now-deleted video, she also compared Henny wearers to bogans.
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  Speaker 2: Now, that frustrated and upset a lot of people. Shots
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  Speaker 2: fired there. Again, I had the feeling it was satirical.
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I think she really hit the nail on the head
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  Speaker 1: about this concept of people wearing a uniform. Ever since TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: there's been this real desire to replicate trends and follow
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  Speaker 1: whatever the cool girl is currently wearing on there. It's
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  Speaker 1: not a platform that encourages people to be different and
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  Speaker 1: stand out because you get rewarded if you copy other
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  Speaker 1: people's fashion trends. It's all about making sure also that
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  Speaker 1: you fit this cool girl aesthetic that's being dictated to us.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that with the cost of living crisis,
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  Speaker 1: We're also being told to look at capsule wardrobes and
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  Speaker 1: buy items that we can mix and match with others.
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  Speaker 2: And people are moving away from statement items.
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  Speaker 1: I'm always hearing stylists talk on TikTok about this is
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  Speaker 1: how you can create a uniform for work or a uniform.
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  Speaker 2: For the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but no one has their own style, as you said, anymore.
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  Speaker 1: No one wants to stand out from the crowd. There's
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  Speaker 1: been so many times I've gone to a cafe and
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  Speaker 1: it's the white fox hoodies. Like as Kate said, Everyone
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  Speaker 1: wears them. I think how embarrassing would that be if
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  Speaker 1: you rocked up? I think it's all teenagers. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all teenagers. It's kind of like when we were at
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  Speaker 1: high school and you'd have casual date. But back when
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  Speaker 1: we were in high school, it was the billabong jackets
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  Speaker 1: and you'd be so embarrassed because you'd rock up and
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  Speaker 1: two other people would be wearing the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: It would be awful. As an adult, it's really awkward
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  Speaker 2: wearing the same thing as someone as well.
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  Speaker 1: I went to a wedding recently where I wore this
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  Speaker 1: bright blue dress. It was my sister-in-law's wedding. And one
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  Speaker 1: of her friends wore the exact same dress. But we
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  Speaker 1: just had to own it. We ended up getting photos together.
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  Speaker 1: And it was something we could bond over. But I
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  Speaker 1: do see the irony of going out to brunch. For
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  Speaker 1: some reason, I always envision in Melbourne, and there's just
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  Speaker 1: a swarm of 30-something women in this fluffy jumper.
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  Speaker 2: All the little kiwis walking around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, little kiwi fruits.
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  Speaker 2: Thank God there are different colors, though. That might at
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  Speaker 2: least make you stand out a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Kate's video went absolutely viral with a large portion
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  Speaker 1: of women actually agreeing wholeheartedly with what she said, but
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  Speaker 1: it was also met with a lot of criticism. So
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  Speaker 1: one user told Kate that she is giving pick-me vibes
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  Speaker 1: and finished by saying that the cardi slap.
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  Speaker 2: So you can tell that it's a Gen Z-er there.
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  Speaker 2: These girls sound so triggered. I know.
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  Speaker 1: Another person said, have you actually tried it on? It's
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  Speaker 1: popular for a reason. Now her video definitely seemed to
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  Speaker 1: ruffle the feathers of fashion influencers who began sharing their
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on her video. But the catch was that they
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  Speaker 1: were doing what she described was a dog whistle. What
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  Speaker 1: a dog whistle is, is that you don't actually name
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  Speaker 1: the person that you're speaking about, but you act as
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  Speaker 1: if it's just a general thought about some, like a
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  Speaker 1: trend that's happening, even though it's clearly one person that
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  Speaker 1: you're directing it at.
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  Speaker 2: I hate this. This happens all the time.
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  Speaker 1: We've had this where people will Literally, like they'll be
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  Speaker 1: talking about something our podcast has spoken about, but they
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  Speaker 1: won't reference the podcast. Because they know that people will
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  Speaker 1: go over to it and agree.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That is why.
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  Speaker 1: And it provides no context to what they're saying either.
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  Speaker 1: Because they're like, oh, you know, it doesn't really matter.
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  Speaker 2: It was, you know, it was some gossip thing.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, just name it.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Own it.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: If you're going to call something out, name it. The
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: funniest thing is I think.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: That we were actually just dog whistling ourselves then, but
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I think people will be able to read into it.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: We name and shame all the time. We may go
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: into that in a subs episode because we're getting off track. Now,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: a fashion influencer called Ari Yasmin, who has over 20,000
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: followers on TikTok, created a video not naming Kate, but
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: saying she doesn't like the current trend. of people critiquing
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: viral outfits in a passive aggressive way.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Here's what she said.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Quick one.
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: When did we start being mean to people about liking
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: and wearing popular items of clothing? There's a genre of
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: video I really like on here, which is kind of
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: talking about trends, maybe critiquing trends, maybe critiquing brands when
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: they're not doing good enough, like the witchery rebrand.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: But then there's another trend that I don't think I
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: like so much.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: And that's kind of critiquing individual creators or people who
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: for wearing what we don't think are interesting enough outfits
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: or wearing something that's really viral or really popular. Some
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: of the stuff I've seen recently kind of just seems
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: to be being passive aggressive to people who like wearing
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: things that are popular in Australia right now. But I
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: feel like, are we not just making women feel bad
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: about themselves for something that's like not problematic and not
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: hurting anyone?
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: She finished by asking everyone else's thoughts on the matter.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: And so she's forming her opinion on it as she speaks. However,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Kate Forster actually accused her of removing any comments that
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: didn't agree with her opinion. So it's interesting to ask
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: for comments, but then not like it when someone shares
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: a different opinion. Now, there was a very mixed response,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: as I said, in the comment section.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: And one of the notable.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Responses was from Victoria Devine, who runs the She's On
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: The Money podcast. And She agreed with Ari's sentiment, writing,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: it's not even being passive aggressive.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: She's being a bully.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I can't believe in 2024 so many people are supportive
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: of her content. Now, a follower replied to Victoria saying,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I'm genuinely surprised to see you making this comment.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: I followed you for a while now.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Which part is bullying? And I shared the same sentiment
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: as this commenter. Now, Victoria responded, if you don't see
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the content I'm referring to as blatant bullying, Perhaps you
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: shouldn't follow me. She continued saying her body shaming and
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: name-calling should be glaringly obvious signs of bullying.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: No.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I'm really surprised that Victoria would weigh into this and
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: have this opinion. I mean, she is a friend of
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the podcast. We have heard her on the show before. Look,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: maybe she owns a Henny cardigan and just saw red.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I do think that the word bullying by the general public, though,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: has been weaponised. In 2024, I think that people are
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: so quick to label people any sort of critical thinking
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: as bullying. And just because someone might critique something or
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: challenge your way of thinking, I don't think that we
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: can categorize that as bullying. I have never seen Kate
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: body shame anyone. I've consumed a lot of her content.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And if anything, she is the one who has been
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: copying a lot of derogatory remarks about her appearance. There've
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: been a lot of young women seeming to take issue
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: with the way that she looks, calling her fat, saying
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: she looks like Hagrid. And she's had a laugh about that.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: But I can tell that it has actually affected her.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: That was just so nasty.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: The whole thing to me seems quite ageist.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: It's like, how dare you, a woman who's in her 50s,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: have an opinion on fashion? Yeah, that's ultimately what I
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: think it comes down to. You know, in this day
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: and age where everyone's so woke, maybe this content might
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: be surprising to some because it's quite refreshing to see
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: someone actually being satirical.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: She drops the odd F-bomb. She pokes fun.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: It's very lighthearted.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: But Do any of these gents, Edison, have like– A
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: sense of humour?
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, how can people not tell this is a joke?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: And it's not even– as you said, it's not– she
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: hasn't body shamed anyone. it's simply a joke about fashion
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: but it's also the fact that she is actually very
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: passionate about fashion and she's just calling out the fact
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that there's no individuality and she wants people to support
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: smaller brands because a lot of smaller fashion brands are
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: going under now Kate hit back to the critique saying this.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Say a lot of these fucking young women on here
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: who are afraid to actually say what they think. Do
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: you know what? That's the number one thing that will
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: get you through life is fucking sticking to your ideals
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: and your values and having a fucking inner moral compass, right?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I don't give a shit what fucking cardigan you wear.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I actually really don't care. It's all a fucking meme,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: this app. It's all a meme. Simply asking people to
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: look at other brands because the Australian industry, fashion industry,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: is in the fucking toilet. So if you're all wearing Henny,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: what about the other knitwear providers?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Kate also raised a really interesting point about kickbacks which
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: influencers receive for pushing certain brands. So a common theme
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: through the viral Henny cardigan videos is influencers offering up
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: their LTK links.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: To shop the look.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you haven't seen LTK before, it is
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: basically an app where you can shop your favorite influencers content.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: So they don't just put clothes up there. You can
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: also shop their furniture and their house or their paintings
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: or their homeware. It's very clever marketing. It's basically an
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: affiliate link.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Everything is for sale. That's right.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: So what happens with the Henny cardigan is an influencer
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: will share their LTK link and it will then direct
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you to the Henny website. But what a lot of
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: people don't know is that the influencer actually receives a
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: commission for each purchase you make. It can be very
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: lucrative for fashion influencers because they can make anywhere between 10%
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to 30% off that affiliate link. So when it comes
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to an item like the Henny cardigan, which is $ 229,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they are making $ 22. 90 of every cardigan you purchase from
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: their link. So clearly they have an incentive there. to
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: be pushing that cardigan, to be creating content around that cardigan.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: And Henny are also very clever to be on LTK
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: because they get access to over 200,000 influencers who were
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: signed up to it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And when you search Henny on LTK.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: You can see just how many people are collaborating with them,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: just how many people are building hype over this cardigan. Now,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: this discovery led Kate to question, are the kickbacks the
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: reason so many influencers are pushing this cardigan? Here's what
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: she had to say.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: So is the Henny cardigan viral because it's a great cardigan?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Because I've heard mixed reviews and I don't give a shit.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: I'm never going to wear it. Is it viral because
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: everyone loves it? Or is it viral because all the
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: influencers are getting a percentage of when they sell it?
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: So you have to be transparent as an influencer.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Kate also questioned the transparency, saying if influencers have to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: declare paid partnerships, Why don't they have to say they're
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: getting a cut each time they push a cardigan.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Which is such a good point.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It is such a valid point because if I'm shopping
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: an influencer's look, I want to know what they're making
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: from it because are they telling me that this pair
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: of jeans is great because they genuinely like it or
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: is it because they're making a huge commission off it?
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Now things really escalated when Kate started receiving prank calls
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: to her house. So she posted a TikTok at 1am
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: on a Saturday night saying she hadn't slept because of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: repeated calls from people abusing her for calling out influencers
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: over a cardigan. Here's what she said.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I have received repeated phone calls to my house, to
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: my mobile phone, which I don't know where they got
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: my fucking number. I probably didn't hide it very well.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: They have called me many times and made fun of
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: me over the phone about this. So if you think
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: you're standing for Henny, you're actually putting a massive skid
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: mark on it. Because now I and my, I don't know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: nearly 16,000 followers probably are going to look at this
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: brand and go on, say, well, you kind of are
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: pretending to be something that you're not. More power than
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you think by threatening me over the phone. by invading
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: my personal space because I asked an influencer who always
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: talks about fashion to try other brands and then asked
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: general Australian influencers to try other brands because Australian fashion
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: is in a crisis, you have actually done this brand
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: a disservice because you have made the brand look like
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Mean Girls. I don't know if they are or aren't.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Kate finished by saying she was worried for her safety.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: This is shocking that things have escalated this much over
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: a cardigan.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It would be really terrifying for her as well.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's got teenage kids. She's, you know, hopped
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: on TikTok really for the first time. I mean, she's
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: no stranger to the industry. She's had radio shows before.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: She's a very successful author. But it would be a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: very strange feeling to be targeted in this way over
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: something that you see as lighthearted fun. TikTokers are just
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: next level, aren't they? Yeah, I mean, I think the
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: trolling and the commentary is disgusting. It's an absolute cesspool
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: of people. Now, I want to point out what an
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: absolute class act Nadia Bartel is, because following this revelation,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: she DMed Kate to apologize. She wrote, Hi, Kate, I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: am reaching out to you because of a few of
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: your TikToks I've seen. I'm so sorry you have been
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: receiving threatening calls to your home. Neither Henny nor I
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: support bullying of any form. So Kate shared this DM
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to her TikTok saying she told Nadia the tea and
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: they both agreed some people in privileged positions should know better.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: What an absolute burn.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: She is sharing this to her TikTok to say that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: your queen, Nadia Bartel, is siding with me.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: It's just a big fuck you basically to all the trolls.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Pretty much.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I just think that this is a really fantastic PR
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: move by Nadia. She could have blocked Kay or got
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: angry that she was commenting about her brand, but she
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: rose above it and befriended her. And I think we've
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: seen so many influencers in the past take any sort
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: of criticism or feedback badly. They blow up and they
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: don't even take the chance to actually look at what
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: people have said about them. Yeah, here's some free PR
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: advice for influencers.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: If you get called out, don't go on the attack.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Go in there with kindness.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Well, because if anything, Kate has actually pumped up this
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: cardigan even more. She has shown how devoted these Henny
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: fans are. I kind of want it now. Exactly.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I went and looked at Henny. I was like, ooh.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think the Kiwi cardigan is for me, but
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: she's got some. The Kiwi.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: The Celine cardigan. Celine.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: She's got some really amazing bomber jackets and jeans.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Nadia just looks cool in anything. Oh.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I stand that woman so hard. She could bring out
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: like a.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Penny plastic bag for frigging 200 bucks and people would
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: buy it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe not plastic, maybe paper.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: You guys are going to be her best friends.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Perth influencer Em Davies has announced the birth of her
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: first child and surprisingly she This is an influencer baby
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: name I think that Outspoken can get behind. Yeah, I
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: really like it. So Em and her partner, Joel Gambon,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: have named their daughter Isla Sue Gambon. And perhaps this
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: is a sign of the times that we're going to
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: see more influencers going for traditional names. Well, Isla was
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: actually crowned as the most popular girl's name.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: In Queensland in 2023.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: And As you said, Amy, it is quite unusual to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: see influencers go for a name that's very mainstream. Yeah, well,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Em previously told her followers not to expect a weird
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: baby name from her because she said she much prefers
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the traditional names. And she even gave her followers an
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: insight into the style of baby names she liked before
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: giving birth. So for the girls, it included Delilah, Maeve, Sadie, Stevie,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Rommie and Allura.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I'd say there are a few unusual names in there. Well,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I think that they're pretty normal by today's standards.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: It's not like kombucha or something.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: My algorithm is constantly feeding me kids' names and these
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: ones are very popular at the moment. And for boys' names,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: she also liked Blue, Carter and Kai. And it was
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: really beautiful because Em selected her baby's middle name as
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Sue and that's named after her mum who sadly passed away.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Some followers were quite intrigued because Em had said that
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: no matter what, she wanted to call the baby's middle
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: name Sue. So people were thinking, well, if you were
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: going to call your boy Blue, would it have been
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Blue Sue?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Sounds like Blue's Clues.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Look, surely she wouldn't have given the name Sue for
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: a boy's middle name. Yeah, I don't know. Now, her
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: mum did sadly pass away a couple of years ago
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and Em has spoken in great depth about feeling very
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: connected to her mum during her pregnancy, particularly being pregnant
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: with a baby girl. And she shared a really sweet
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: photo showing a little red birthmark near her daughter's eye
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and wrote angel kisses from nanny in the sky, which
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: was really sweet. Well, Em broke the news on Instagram,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: sharing a carousel of photos of her newborn with the
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: caption 1308 24 607 PM. Isla Sue Gambon. I've never
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: felt a love like this.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: We did it.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: And she tagged her partner, Joel Gambon. The post received
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: over 88,000 likes and the blue tick brigade were out
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in force in the comments section. So Sammy Robinson wrote, congratulations,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: beautiful family. Tammy hembro added crying she's so perfect love
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you guys while sky wheatley commented looks like an actual
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: doll i'm crying she is a very beautiful baby yeah
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: she's a gorgeous little girl and chloe zepp gracie piscopo
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: indy clinton sofa dofa jade tunci talia skeins and lucy
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: jackson were also amongst the well-known Aussie influencers commenting. I'm
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: assuming Lily Brown did as well, but she's blocked us,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: so I couldn't see her comment. Well, I also noticed
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: that Nikki and Lucy took time away from their amazing
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: trip in Mykonos where they are celebrating Nikki's hands to
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: FaceTime with Em. I wonder if they'll be competing with
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Lily Brown to be sort of like the best R2. Well,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a lot of the time when someone has a baby
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and there's baby showers and then birthday parties following it,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you realize it's such a special time in someone's life
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: that you sort of drop all of that shit. So
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: maybe this will be an opportunity for the gang to
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: get back together. Now, Emma has been really active on
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: TikTok and she's even added Isla's mama to her name.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And her birth video has racked up 1 million views
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: on Instagram already. So this video shows all the highlights
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: of the birthing experience. So we see Em and Joel
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: walking into the hospital, as well as Em in the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: hospital bed strapped up to all of the monitoring systems.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And Em opted for a vaginal birth. And you can
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: see a photo of Em's mom propped up by her
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: bed as she gives birth, which was just such a
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: sweet touch. The video also shows snippets of Em crying
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: as Joel comforts her and shots of the delivery. Now,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of people were commenting that Who actually filmed
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: this content? I think maybe people were thinking, was it
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the nurses?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Like the midwives in the hospital?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was actually two of Em's friends who
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: were support people. Like they're allowed in the birthing suite
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and they did such a good job.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: It has only been.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Five days since Em gave birth, but she is delivering
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: on the newborn content. So she shared the hot dad
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: style TikTok video of Joel carrying baby Isla out of
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the hospital in a capsule. That is a very viral
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: video that I'm seeing a lot of creators making. She
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: also shared a hilarious video of her holding her baby
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: in the hospital bed, surrounded by sushi with the caption,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: it's good being zero weeks pregnant.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: She has been missing that a lot.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: We're running errands today.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: A shopfitting company run by Sky Wheatley's partner, Lockie Waugh,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: has gone into external administration after reportedly being unable to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: pay its debts.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Now, Amy, this came as.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: A bit of a surprise because Lockie's business, which is
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: called ShopFitCo, has recently been running a large social media
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: ads campaign talking about how they're expanding their operations. Yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: this kept popping up on my Instagram feed for some reason.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: And ShopFit Co is a very well-known business on the
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Gold Coast. It has completed fit-outs for a number of
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: high-profile shops, including Quicksilver, Muffin Break, and also Sass and Bide.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: There has been.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: No official word yet from Lockie or Sky about the
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: company going into external administration. And even on Thursday, the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: company was still uploading posts on its social media account. Yeah,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and ShopFit Co is regularly featured in Sky's YouTube videos,
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  Speaker 1: so they are renovating their Gold Coast mansion.
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  Speaker 2: They've been renovating it for what feels like forever. It's
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: been five years.
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  Speaker 1: And in recent videos, we've seen Lockie's staff popping up
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  Speaker 1: in their ShopFitCo shirts, carrying out the renovations. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if it's because there's not much work for them to
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: be doing on other projects. So they're like, better get
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: my money's worth, get them working on my own house. Well,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the image that they've been portraying is this is a
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: very successful business. Yeah, they definitely give off this impression
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  Speaker 1: that they're very successful. That being said, there have been
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: some whispers about financial issues within the business because there
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: were reports that Lockie's company had been locked in a
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: very bitter court battle with a Sydney man since 2023.
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  Speaker 1: And ShopFitCo says that the man still owes them close
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: to $ 60, 000 for a fit out that they did for
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a Portuguese burger bar. Now things got murkier because the
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: business owner is now counter-suing ShopFit, alleging that the work
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: was not up to scratch and they're wanting damages for
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a breach of contract and also loss of opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: So it sounds like a very stressful time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think there's also a bit of confusion over
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: this term external administration and what it actually means. So
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: for those who are unaware, it basically means that someone
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: from outside of Lockie's business known as an external administrator
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: has been appointed to either try and save this business,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to sell it or to wind it down to try
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and repay its debts. And according to the Gold Coast Bulletin,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: ShopFit Co is being administered under the Small Business Restructuring Program.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: So this program gives companies with debts of less than
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: $ 1 million a last-ditch attempt to avoid liquidation. And interestingly,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: documents show that the majority of the money that ShopFit
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Co actually owes is to the ATO. And there have
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: been a lot of reports that the ATO is undergoing
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: a massive crackdown. So we're seeing a lot of businesses,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: especially construction businesses, currently being chased by the ATO for
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: unpaid taxes. And this is because there was a pandemic-induced
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: hiatus on the ATO enforcing these tax payments. Now, this
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: story has been making a lot of headlines, particularly on
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: the Gold Coast. And it's good to see that Sky
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Wheatley has been very sensitive in handling this situation with
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: her partner because she has been poking a lot of
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: fun at him about it. So over the weekend, she
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: shared an Instagram story of Lockie washing her car and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: she wrote, Never seen him do this. I'm giving him
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: pocket money since he's broke now with three crying faces. Well,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: surely things aren't that dire if she's paying him out
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I just think it's her sense of humor.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: A lot of fans have noticed that Lockie has had
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: much more of a presence on her social media account
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: because previously he would protest to being in a TikTok
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: videos and he begrudgingly appear. But now he seems sort
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: of down to be in it. And I wonder if
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: it's because now that his business isn't doing so well.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: He thinks, fuck, maybe I've got to have a social
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: media presence online.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is a secondary income for me.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I think maybe it's made him appreciate Sky more. And
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: he's thought, well, fuck, is Sky's actually going to be
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: bringing in most of the income into this family? Maybe
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I need to support her.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Well, that's all we've got.
• 35:55
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• 35:58
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• 36:10
  Speaker 1: a fun fact, this is the second time we have
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: recorded this episode and that is why it is a
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: day late because we had a major technical difficulty.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: We have new recording equipment, but we have very.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Old microphones and old microphone cords and one of them
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: is faulty. So you went to sit down on Monday
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: night and edit, Amy, and my whole microphone was crackling.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I tried to edit it around it, but it was
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: just absolutely.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: My husband was so mad at me.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I was literally sitting on the toilet when you called
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: and I just was like, no.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Every time you get some kind of news, you're sitting
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: on the toilet.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Last week it was the Molly and Tommy news. Now
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it's the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's when you're on your phone, you've got time
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to scroll.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Anyway, leaving everyone with that beautiful image. But this episode
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: was recorded.
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  Speaker 2: On the traditional land of the Kaurna people of the
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  Speaker 2: Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past and present.