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- 0:00S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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- 0:51S5: Hey. Good morning to you. I'm Ali, this is Carl
- 0:53S5: and crew. Already off to a great start here on
- 0:56S5: this Thursday morning.
- 0:58S2: This is a weird week. I was just telling one
- 1:00S2: of our engineers that yesterday I had to keep reminding
- 1:03S2: myself that it wasn't Thursday. It was Wednesday. Now it's Thursday,
- 1:08S2: and it really feels like it's a Friday. It's not.
- 1:11S5: It's not.
- 1:12S2: It'll be here tomorrow, too.
- 1:13S5: Welcome to Thursday. Have you ever met somebody who says, uh,
- 1:17S5: I'm spiritual, but I'm not really into organized religion? Yeah.
- 1:23S5: You ever.
- 1:23S2: Met somebody.
- 1:24S5: Who says that there's a lot of different variations that
- 1:27S5: people have on this same sort of school of thought
- 1:31S5: that they are maybe have some openness to a higher power,
- 1:36S5: something bigger than us. This is the kind of language
- 1:39S5: I have my own personal beliefs. I'm not religious. I
- 1:42S5: believe in the universe. I'm more about spirituality than doctrine.
- 1:47S2: Yeah. Some people think that I don't have like a
- 1:49S2: quote for it, but some people think that religion is
- 1:53S2: more of like a man made thing to try to
- 1:55S2: contain their idea of God. or a higher power in
- 2:01S2: some of these people's minds.
- 2:02S5: Yeah, I believe in being a good person. Um, I'm
- 2:05S5: more into philosophy. I'm open to spiritual ideas. Have you
- 2:09S5: ever had those conversations? You know, I remember I was
- 2:12S5: at the dentist. This was a couple of years ago. And,
- 2:15S5: you know, I got a great dentist. It's been it's
- 2:18S5: been my dentist for quite a lot of years and
- 2:20S5: how it goes at my dentist office. And this is
- 2:22S5: maybe similar to yours, but I spend the most of
- 2:26S5: the time with the dental hygienist, the person who cleans
- 2:30S5: the teeth and does the check, and then the dentist
- 2:32S5: comes in. At least my dentist comes in for like
- 2:34S5: the last maybe 5 to 10 minutes of the appointment.
- 2:37S5: That's kind of a check over. Make sure double checks,
- 2:39S5: make sure everything looks good. Does the little pokey thing
- 2:42S5: where they try to stick that into the back of
- 2:44S5: your teeth and make sure you got no soft spots.
- 2:46S5: Don't have any soft spots indicating a cavity. I had
- 2:51S5: one of those filled recently, which was not fun. But anyway,
- 2:54S5: so this was during that like ten minutes. So in
- 2:56S5: those in over ten minutes per visit, once every six
- 3:00S5: months over. I would say I've been going to the
- 3:02S5: same dentist for like maybe ten years.
- 3:05S2: Sure takes a while to get to know that.
- 3:06S5: And so, you know, I know, I know he's got
- 3:08S5: a couple of kids I know around their ages. So
- 3:11S5: one's in college now, one's about to graduate high school.
- 3:15S5: And so we'll usually do the check in. How are
- 3:16S5: the kids doing. And so in this particular time we
- 3:19S5: were talking about something as really as it related to
- 3:23S5: decision making. I think it had to do with kids. And,
- 3:25S5: and I said, yeah, you know, I believe God's going
- 3:28S5: to show us what to do here. Something to that effect.
- 3:31S5: And he says, yeah, I definitely think the universe has
- 3:35S5: a way of, of working these things out. Mhm. And
- 3:38S5: it was an interesting but subtle shift where he wanted
- 3:41S5: to meet me in the place where he felt like
- 3:44S5: he could, but he couldn't bring himself to agreement that, yes,
- 3:48S5: God would would lead, guide and direct. But he was
- 3:53S5: open to the fact that the universe, whatever that means,
- 3:57S5: had some sort of influence on things. It's kind of
- 4:00S5: the everything happens for a reason, but it doesn't land anywhere.
- 4:05S5: You hear this, Jonathan? You hear.
- 4:06S2: This? Totally. It's, uh, I think. God, we're made in
- 4:13S2: God's image, so we're made to find him. But our
- 4:20S2: hard hearts sometimes keep us from recognizing him. So we
- 4:23S2: try to recognize something. Yeah. And and even if there's
- 4:27S2: not a lot of reason to it, just this kind
- 4:30S2: of floating fate, you know, we we have to try
- 4:33S2: to find something.
- 4:35S5: Yeah. There's a, I think there's a desire to find
- 4:38S5: some sort of meaning and purpose to all of this. Yeah.
- 4:41S5: You know, coming such a powerful testimony. You just heard
- 4:44S5: from our York Moore. And you know, I love how
- 4:47S5: he how honest he was about his search and his struggle.
- 4:51S5: You know, I think it's easy to get frustrated when
- 4:55S5: you hear people say things like that, like they won't
- 4:57S5: meet you. They won't. There's not agreement on on God,
- 5:02S5: on Jesus as Lord and Savior. But there's a sort
- 5:06S5: of a spiritual openness, a religiosity, a higher power. And
- 5:12S5: it can be easy to get frustrated with that and
- 5:14S5: to want to kind of put your foot down and say, no,
- 5:17S5: it's not about the universe. It's not this your truth,
- 5:20S5: my truth nonsense. But I want to go to a
- 5:24S5: story that was brought to mind to me last night
- 5:27S5: as I was thinking about our topic today, and what
- 5:31S5: if we had a different approach? What if we were
- 5:34S5: the ones who tried to meet people where they were at?
- 5:37S5: At least initially? I'm not talking about an abandonment of
- 5:40S5: truth here. We are truth tellers. The gospel requires it.
- 5:45S5: But what if instead of getting frustrated, even angry, we
- 5:48S5: tried to meet people with their. My truth, your truth
- 5:54S5: universe mentality with a little bit more compassion and met
- 5:59S5: them where they are. It's what Paul did. I'm going
- 6:02S5: to take you to a story in acts. This is
- 6:04S5: one of my favorite in Scripture. I think you're going
- 6:06S5: to love it as well. Coming up here on Carl
- 6:08S5: and Crew.
- 6:09S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and
- 6:12S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
- 6:15S5: Hey, I'm Ali, this is Carl and crew. You know,
- 6:17S5: we're having this conversation all week. What are you looking for?
- 6:21S5: And a lot of people are are looking for purpose
- 6:25S5: and meaning. And what often happens is that people stop
- 6:30S5: short of landing at genuine, saving faith in Jesus Christ
- 6:35S5: for a lot of reasons that we don't need to
- 6:38S5: go into today. But I think sometimes our approach can
- 6:42S5: be to get frustrated and to get angry with people
- 6:45S5: when we can tell that they are obviously keeping it
- 6:49S5: away from landing at absolute truth.
- 6:51S2: Oh, 100%. Well, it's hard when you. You know something?
- 6:56S5: Yeah.
- 6:57S2: And and obviously to us it is clear. It is
- 7:00S2: obvious it is truth. And it is and God.
- 7:04S5: We know from Romans one that all of creation.
- 7:08S2: Yeah.
- 7:08S5: Points to to God 100%. So it's not as if
- 7:13S5: it's this blind faith not rooted in.
- 7:15S2: Very correct.
- 7:16S5: Reality. But I want to I want to take you
- 7:18S5: to acts 17. And this is, uh, describing Paul's second
- 7:23S5: missionary journey. So he makes a couple stops at different places.
- 7:27S5: He's in Greece and he comes to Athens, which is
- 7:32S5: a city full of idols. And so at the beginning
- 7:36S5: of acts 17, it says that they, you know, they'd
- 7:39S5: pass through these different cities. And what Paul typically does
- 7:43S5: is when he goes to these cities, he goes into
- 7:45S5: the synagogue and he reasons with people. And he some
- 7:48S5: people are are persuaded, and many people are kind of
- 7:51S5: ticked off that he's there. And so he's he's been
- 7:54S5: causing quite an uproar. Uproar. But when he goes to Athens,
- 7:58S5: it says he was provoked within him. So there's something
- 8:02S5: in his spirit that's provoked. This is acts 17. Now
- 8:05S5: verse 16, he saw that the city was full of idols.
- 8:09S5: And so he does something that's kind of interesting. He
- 8:12S5: goes and he starts reasoning with the people. And I
- 8:15S5: love that the word reasoning is used. He's he's kind
- 8:18S5: of he's using persuasive arguments. He's not, um, not condemning
- 8:23S5: them necessarily. He's not argumentative. He's just simply talking to
- 8:28S5: them about what is true. And so there's some philosophers
- 8:33S5: who join in on this conversation, some epicurean and stoic philosophers,
- 8:38S5: and they are intrigued by Paul, by what he's saying.
- 8:42S5: He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities, is
- 8:45S5: how some people describe him. And so these philosophers are
- 8:49S5: so intrigued that they invite him to this place called
- 8:53S5: the Areopagus. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.
- 8:57S2: I believe it's Areopagus.
- 8:58S5: Areopagus. Thank you. Thank you. Jonathan. Areopagus. Yes. There's an
- 9:02S5: extra syllable there. And otherwise known as Mars Hill. I
- 9:06S5: didn't realize this until.
- 9:08S2: Me neither.
- 9:09S5: Yes. So. And this is a rocky hill northwest of
- 9:12S5: the Acropolis. A cool thing is I actually lived in Athens,
- 9:16S5: Greece for a year, so I know where this is.
- 9:19S5: You've seen, I'm sure, the Parthenon, that famous landmark that
- 9:23S5: if people go to Athens, Greece.
- 9:25S2: That's where you go.
- 9:26S5: Nine times out of ten, you're going to have a picture.
- 9:28S5: And I have a couple of them. Whenever people would
- 9:30S5: come to visit me in Athens, that was the place
- 9:33S5: to go. So I can actually picture this place. And
- 9:36S5: this was the home of like this tribunal. And they
- 9:40S5: are kind of the court of morals. There's some legislative
- 9:43S5: things that happen here. Council of elders. It's also this
- 9:46S5: center for like philosophical thought and discussion. And so Paul
- 9:51S5: is invited to go ahead and, and share something in
- 9:55S5: front on this hill, in front of people who are
- 9:58S5: going to take a listen to what he has to say.
- 10:01S5: And his approach. I love because I think there's so
- 10:04S5: much we can learn, especially in this day and age.
- 10:07S5: There's nothing new. People have been having this whole spiritual
- 10:10S5: but not religious for a long time. How did Paul
- 10:14S5: go after it? I'll tell you. Coming up.
- 10:16S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day, you're listening to Carl
- 10:21S1: and crew.
- 10:21S5: Looking at acts 17 this morning. And Paul is in
- 10:25S5: Athens and in this city full of idols. He is
- 10:29S5: preaching Jesus and the resurrection, and it's attracted the interest
- 10:33S5: of some of the philosophers of the day. For you
- 10:37S5: bring some strange things to our ears. They say, we
- 10:40S5: wish to therefore know, therefore, what these things mean. So
- 10:44S5: there are people who are gathered at this place called
- 10:47S5: the Areopagus. It's a place where philosophical discussions are happening.
- 10:52S5: It's also a center where the court of elders, the
- 10:55S5: Council of Elders meet. And so it's a pretty important place.
- 10:58S5: And so he's given a bit of a platform, an
- 11:01S5: opening to go ahead and say what you want to say.
- 11:04S5: We're curious enough to listen. I want to read from
- 11:07S5: acts 17, starting at verse 22.
- 11:10S2: Okay, so Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said,
- 11:14S2: Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you
- 11:17S2: are very religious. For as I passed along and observed
- 11:20S2: the objects of your worship, I found also an altar
- 11:23S2: with this inscription to the unknown God. What therefore you
- 11:28S2: worship is unknown. This I proclaim to you the God
- 11:31S2: who made the world and everything in it, being Lord
- 11:34S2: of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made
- 11:36S2: by man, nor is he served by human hands as
- 11:40S2: though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all
- 11:43S2: mankind life and breath and everything he made from one man,
- 11:48S2: every nation of mankind, to live on all the face
- 11:51S2: of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries
- 11:54S2: of their dwelling place, that they should seek God and
- 11:57S2: perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet
- 12:00S2: he is actually not far from each one of us,
- 12:03S2: for in him we live and move and have our being.
- 12:06S2: As even some of your own poets have said, for
- 12:09S2: we are indeed his offspring.
- 12:11S5: I love this passage of Scripture.
- 12:15S2: It's a really creative way of evangelism.
- 12:18S5: You know, and I want you to picture this. So
- 12:21S5: he's standing at this, the Mars Hill, the Parthenon.
- 12:26S2: Mhm.
- 12:27S5: Probably within highly visible from where they're standing. So when
- 12:33S5: he says that what you worship as unknown, the God
- 12:38S5: who made the world and everything in it does not
- 12:40S5: live in temples made by man, i.e., the Parthenon, right?
- 12:44S2: The thing you're all looking at right now.
- 12:46S5: In this city full of idols. But he meets them
- 12:49S5: where they're at. Yeah, I perceive that in every way.
- 12:52S5: You are very religious. Now, it's not clear if this
- 12:54S5: is a positive or a negative thing. Sure. But at
- 12:58S5: the very least, he's giving them like, okay, you're you're religious,
- 13:02S5: you're close. You have this, this inscription I saw in
- 13:07S5: your city to an unknown God. Let me explain to
- 13:11S5: you how you can know this God.
- 13:14S2: Right? Absolutely. And I love it because I think I
- 13:16S2: don't think it's necessarily when he talks about them being religious,
- 13:20S2: that it it has I, you know, either a positive
- 13:23S2: or a negative.
- 13:25S5: If you think neutral.
- 13:26S2: I think it's kind of neutral. It's like, hey, I
- 13:28S2: have perceived walking through your town that you are seeking
- 13:32S2: to have a relationship with the creator. In their mind,
- 13:36S2: it was the creators of the universe, and he, and
- 13:39S2: even so much so that they made an idol to
- 13:42S2: a god in case they missed one. Uh, you know,
- 13:44S2: kind of anything. Anything we may not recognize. It goes
- 13:48S2: to this one. And he says, you missed one. You
- 13:51S2: missed the one I want to tell you about him.
- 13:55S5: And there's just something. So, I mean, let's let's be clear.
- 13:59S5: This is it's not the case that if we are
- 14:02S5: simply persuasive and winsome enough, correct, that people will turn
- 14:06S5: to Jesus. No, no, no, no, no, that's not. But
- 14:10S5: I like how Carl often says that there are God
- 14:13S5: seekers out there. There are people who simply haven't had
- 14:17S5: a fair shot at hearing the truth. And so in
- 14:21S5: their search for God, they're clinging on to a lot
- 14:26S5: of different things, spirituality, things that feel sort of religious,
- 14:32S5: other schools of thought, new ageism, anything to kind of
- 14:36S5: connect them in some way to some sort of purpose.
- 14:39S5: They're willing to settle for that for an unknown god. Yeah.
- 14:43S5: When we can come in and say, hey, what you
- 14:47S5: worship as unknown. This I proclaim to you the God
- 14:52S5: who made the world and everything in it, being Lord
- 14:55S5: of heaven and earth does not live in temples made
- 14:57S5: by man. And then when you get down to verse
- 15:00S5: 26 and 27, he made from one man every nation
- 15:04S5: of mankind to live on all the face of the earth,
- 15:06S5: having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place.
- 15:10S5: You know what that means? God's sovereign over all of that.
- 15:15S5: Where you live, where you work.
- 15:18S2: How long you live.
- 15:19S5: How long you were live, that you will live, that
- 15:22S5: they should seek God and perhaps feel their way toward
- 15:26S5: him and find him. Yet he is actually not far
- 15:30S5: from each one of us. Remember, there was a period
- 15:32S5: of time I was really praying for someone in our
- 15:35S5: life who I would describe as religious. say this person
- 15:39S5: was well respected in the community. A very had a
- 15:44S5: very charitable mindset. So they were very generous with their
- 15:49S5: time and money and they had a form of religion.
- 15:55S5: And I used to pray this, that, Lord let them
- 15:58S5: feel their way toward you. They're not that far off.
- 16:01S2: Yeah.
- 16:03S5: He's not far from each one of us. And then
- 16:06S5: Paul even quotes some of their own poets.
- 16:09S2: I love that.
- 16:11S5: In him we live and move and have our being.
- 16:13S5: And then. For we are indeed his offspring. So I
- 16:16S5: want you to think about your own testimony.
- 16:20S1: Want to hear that again? Just download the Curl and
- 16:23S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
- 16:26S5: You know, I just got a text message from someone
- 16:27S5: who said they're really happy to hear this topic. They
- 16:30S5: said they, they teach yoga. Um, they said, I'm a Christian.
- 16:34S5: I attend Bible studies. It's been I see very clearly
- 16:37S5: how Christianity is the foundation of spirituality, and I can
- 16:40S5: explain to spiritual people where it all came from the
- 16:43S5: Bible originally, and lead them back to the truth. You know,
- 16:46S5: when we ground the truth in the Word of God,
- 16:49S5: that's where we have to land. And so, you know,
- 16:52S5: the meeting, I want to be clear that meeting people
- 16:55S5: where they're at is not a compromise of of truth.
- 16:59S5: I want to keep saying that because I think it's important,
- 17:02S5: especially in a day and age where truth gets more
- 17:05S5: and more muddied. So we're clear on what's true. But
- 17:09S5: in this meeting people where they're at, it's acknowledging, as
- 17:13S5: Paul did here in acts 17, the this honesty of
- 17:17S5: the search he started with. I perceive that in every
- 17:21S5: way you are very religious. That was what was needed
- 17:23S5: for the moment. He could have started with, look at
- 17:26S5: all these idols you got.
- 17:29S2: What's wrong with.
- 17:29S5: You, you godless people?
- 17:31S2: Yeah, he could have.
- 17:33S5: And maybe there was a time for that. I mean,
- 17:35S5: certainly we see Jesus confronting things all the time.
- 17:39S2: Sure.
- 17:39S5: So there's a time for that. But I think when
- 17:42S5: we're dealing with people who are seeking, there's an invitation to,
- 17:48S5: to meet them where they're at, to bring the truth
- 17:52S5: that maybe they haven't even heard before.
- 17:54S2: Mhm. You know, and I think about, I think about
- 17:57S2: how we, how we should talk, how we should communicate.
- 17:59S2: Because you're right, there are certain times for things. But
- 18:02S2: the way that Jesus confronted people is that he was
- 18:07S2: angry with those that claimed to know the father. Yeah.
- 18:12S2: And and didn't and were pompous about it. And the
- 18:18S2: idols that were torn down were torn down in the
- 18:20S2: Old Testament from villages and communities that said they were
- 18:24S2: followers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Yet
- 18:27S2: they had all these idols set up and that wasn't okay.
- 18:32S2: There are a lot of people around us that to
- 18:36S2: their own admittance, don't know our Jesus, don't know the
- 18:40S2: true God yet. They're trying to find him. They're not.
- 18:45S2: They're not looking in the right spot, but they're trying
- 18:47S2: to find him. So I think the way Paul meets
- 18:51S2: them is admirable for the way that we should meet
- 18:55S2: that group of people. Yeah.
- 18:57S5: Good. Good observation there. Maybe that was you. You would
- 18:59S5: have would have once considered yourself spiritual but not religious.
- 19:04S5: And I hear that so often. So I just kind
- 19:05S5: of made it that that's what we're going with. You
- 19:08S5: considered yourself spiritual but not religious or something similar. How
- 19:12S5: did God take you from that sort of spiritual openness,
- 19:15S5: seeking to becoming a genuine follower of Jesus Christ, landing
- 19:20S5: on the truth of the cross, the resurrection, the gospel
- 19:23S5: 805 five, five, 78, 98. Would love to hear a
- 19:27S5: little bit more about your journey, your testimony this morning
- 19:29S5: 800 555, 78, 98. Let's get a couple headlines.
- 19:34S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then
- 19:37S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew. It's Carl
- 19:42S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
- 19:44S6: What are you looking for?
- 19:46S5: You know, there's so many people who are looking for
- 19:47S5: purpose and meaning, direction, guidance. And so often people land
- 19:53S5: on a higher power, an openness to spiritual things that
- 19:57S5: can be. There's some negative side to that because when
- 19:59S5: you're open to spiritual things, man, you.
- 20:02S2: You can open yourself to a lot of dark.
- 20:03S7: Doors, a lot of dark.
- 20:05S5: Things. But the flip side is there's an openness that
- 20:09S5: people have that when presented with the truth, as Paul
- 20:13S5: did in this Areopagus, Mars hill. And he was persuaded
- 20:18S5: and he reasons and he tells people about the God
- 20:21S5: who made the world and everything in it, that they
- 20:23S5: don't have to worship an unknown God. They can actually
- 20:26S5: know him, feel their way toward him, and find him.
- 20:30S5: Verse 27 says, yet he is actually not far from
- 20:33S5: each one of us. So it's led to a question
- 20:35S5: this morning. Maybe you were someone who would you would
- 20:38S5: have considered yourself spiritually open, spiritual, but not religious. How
- 20:42S5: did God lead you to landing on the truth? To
- 20:46S5: turning your heart, surrendering to him, a follower of Jesus Christ?
- 20:50S5: Let's go to Andrew, first time caller from West Palm Beach, Florida.
- 20:53S5: Would you have considered yourself in that category of spiritually open,
- 20:57S5: maybe spiritual, but not religious?
- 21:01S8: Yes, yes I would. My grandmother was the one that
- 21:05S8: introduced me to God. She made me go to church
- 21:08S8: every Sunday and over a period of time. I always
- 21:10S8: saw her read the Bible and praying for us, and
- 21:14S8: I was ignorant to that fact. And I went out
- 21:17S8: there in the world and and received a lot of
- 21:20S8: pain and suffering. And I thought back to my grandmother,
- 21:23S8: while my grandmother believed in God highly. So let me
- 21:27S8: give God a try in my life. And I prayed,
- 21:30S8: God help me. And he did. He turned my life
- 21:33S8: around and it's been 20 years now.
- 21:36S5: Awesome. Andrew, thank you so much. First time caller from
- 21:39S5: West Palm Beach, Florida. So encouraging to hear your testimony
- 21:42S5: this morning. Uh, Michaela calling in also from Florida. Birchfield, Florida.
- 21:46S5: Were you a spiritual but not religious? Tell me about
- 21:50S5: your story.
- 21:51S9: Yeah, I was actually into sage and crystals and pendulums
- 21:56S9: and tarot cards and all that stuff. Um, and then
- 22:00S9: God brought someone in my life who was very outspoken
- 22:03S9: about Jesus. Um, so it was kind of like one
- 22:06S9: of those things where God's calling you and you really
- 22:07S9: can't ignore it now.
- 22:08S5: Yeah.
- 22:11S9: And she was just wonderful because I started asking her
- 22:14S9: questions and she was very non-judgmental.
- 22:16S5: Yeah.
- 22:16S9: So she answered very lovingly, um, without pressure, you know,
- 22:21S9: she wasn't like, you have to turn to God right
- 22:23S9: now or you're going to hell. Um, because I find
- 22:26S9: that to be very, uh, it doesn't help anyway. So
- 22:30S9: but yeah, she just answered my questions and talked to
- 22:33S9: me without apology about Jesus. You know what I mean?
- 22:36S9: And here I am.
- 22:38S5: Yeah. Thank you so much for your call this morning
- 22:41S5: from Birchfield, Florida. You know, there's a there is a
- 22:45S5: tone of love and care and compassion that we want
- 22:49S5: to have when we are dealing with people. We know
- 22:51S5: that it's the kindness of God that led leads to repentance.
- 22:56S2: Yeah. And, and Ali, you mentioned this when we were
- 22:59S2: going through acts 17. Uh, and I want to hit
- 23:02S2: it again because we're talking about Paul reasoning with, with
- 23:07S2: these people through the gospel in a, in a really
- 23:10S2: creative way. And, and sometimes that can lead us to think, oh,
- 23:15S2: I just have to find the perfect way to do it.
- 23:18S2: And it's gonna work. At the end of the passage in,
- 23:21S2: in acts 17, in, in verse 32, it says, when
- 23:24S2: they heard about him talking the resurrection of the dead,
- 23:27S2: some mocked him. Others were like, well, we just want
- 23:29S2: to know more. Just keep talking. And then others followed
- 23:32S2: and believed in Jesus. And so. So even with Paul's
- 23:37S2: really creative way of sharing Jesus with people, some mocked him.
- 23:43S5: There were three different responses. You're right.
- 23:45S2: Three different responses.
- 23:46S5: Some mocked, some believed, and some were kind of in
- 23:49S5: this like, I'm, I'm not ready to make a decision now,
- 23:52S5: but I'd love to hear more.
- 23:54S2: Right. And so, so don't, don't go thinking from this.
- 23:57S2: I just have to be creative enough. God will give
- 24:00S2: you the words to say when you are spending time
- 24:04S2: with him and asking him for the words, but it's
- 24:07S2: his spirit that does the transformation.
- 24:09S5: Great point. Great observation there because as as Carl often says,
- 24:12S5: it's not, we don't need anyone to Jesus. It's not
- 24:16S5: my power. It's not my persuasion, my creativity. It's ultimately
- 24:20S5: the power of the Holy Spirit. Hey, coming up, we
- 24:23S5: have a special guest we're going to bring in as
- 24:25S5: we think about how the world view how we see things?
- 24:30S5: When you look at the numbers, what is the gap
- 24:32S5: that exists? Sometimes between what we say, we believe and
- 24:35S5: what we read in Scripture and how we actually live?
- 24:39S5: Some interesting numbers from a new report out coming up.
- 24:44S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.
- 24:48S1: Super di is in the crew. It's kollel and crew
- 24:52S1: on Moody Radio.
- 24:54S5: Well, I still remember a little song that my son
- 24:56S5: came home from one of his little Bible classes when
- 24:59S5: he was going to kids church, and he would say,
- 25:02S5: read your Bible and pray every day. Did you learn
- 25:05S5: this one, Jonathan? Yes, pray every day. And then at
- 25:08S5: the end it was, read your Bible and pray every
- 25:11S5: day and you'll grow, grow, grow. And he would move
- 25:14S5: his hand sequentially. He would move it from start out
- 25:18S5: like hitting one mark and then moving it up about
- 25:21S5: four more inches and then four more inches. Every time
- 25:23S5: he said, grow, that little hand would move and I
- 25:25S5: could picture him doing it now. There is something so
- 25:27S5: simple and true about this basics that we read our Bible.
- 25:32S5: We pray, we grow. But what happens when there's a
- 25:35S5: disconnect between what we're reading in the Word of God
- 25:38S5: and what we're actually applying to our everyday life? We've
- 25:43S5: got a special guest that's going to speak to this,
- 25:44S5: not the song itself, but the implications. Doctor Adam Rasmussen
- 25:48S5: with us, he is a fellow at the Cultural Research
- 25:50S5: Center and dean of the College of Arts and Humanities
- 25:53S5: at Arizona Christian University. Now you have a new report
- 25:57S5: out that shows something interesting, maybe even a little bit discouraging,
- 26:01S5: about our ability to apply what we are reading in Scripture. First,
- 26:06S5: let's just talk about the parameters. What were you looking at?
- 26:11S10: I remember that song. I know that song. I got
- 26:13S10: a big smile on my face. So thanks for starting
- 26:15S10: my day with that. Yeah. Well, we're looking at is
- 26:19S10: the worldview inventory that we have done for the last
- 26:23S10: 5 or 6 years, and George Barnett has been doing
- 26:26S10: all the way back to 1994. So we look at
- 26:29S10: that every year. And then we in this particular report,
- 26:33S10: we're looking at the different struggles that people are having
- 26:36S10: in applying the biblical worldview in eight categories. So purpose
- 26:42S10: and calling all the way down to faith practices and marriage,
- 26:48S10: family value of life, those kind of things.
- 26:50S5: Okay. So one stat that I'm looking at is that
- 26:53S5: the overwhelming majority of U.S. adults lack biblical alignment in
- 26:57S5: essential areas of worldview, beliefs, and behaviors. So 68 to 82%.
- 27:03S5: Is that right? That 68 to 82% of U.S. adults
- 27:07S5: aren't aligned in terms of what they believe in these categories?
- 27:11S10: That is absolutely true. What we're seeing is that Americans,
- 27:15S10: by and large, are syncretist, meaning that they pull their
- 27:20S10: religious beliefs and therefore their behaviors from a variety of sources.
- 27:24S10: And often it's contradictory. And when you have that kind
- 27:27S10: of mash up, it's really going to miss on what
- 27:31S10: the Bible requires as it comes to loving God first
- 27:34S10: and loving our neighbor as ourselves. And just as you
- 27:36S10: pointed out, Ali, they're really missing it in these basic
- 27:40S10: categories of morals and values.
- 27:43S5: Okay. So let's talk about the area where there's the
- 27:46S5: highest level of biblical alignment, meaning what I read in
- 27:50S5: the Word of God. What's present in the Word of
- 27:52S5: God is actually what I believe and live out in
- 27:55S5: my everyday life. Which category did you see that alignment
- 27:58S5: at the highest level, and which level or which category
- 28:02S5: is it at the lowest level?
- 28:04S10: Okay. So what we call category one purpose and calling
- 28:08S10: is the highest. And this measures beliefs and behaviors related
- 28:13S10: to life's purpose, one's calling, and what constitutes a successful life.
- 28:17S10: It seems that overall, Americans are pretty much lined up
- 28:21S10: with what the Bible says. They're the very lowest is, sadly,
- 28:26S10: family and the value of life, which measures convictions about marriage,
- 28:30S10: the sanctity of human life and abortion, and personal ethics
- 28:34S10: as viewed through or apart from a biblical lens. So
- 28:38S10: we're really missing it. Only 5% of Americans understand what
- 28:43S10: the Bible says on those issues.
- 28:45S5: What do you make of that?
- 28:46S10: Well, I think our culture is influencing the church more
- 28:49S10: than the church is influencing the culture. And there are
- 28:52S10: many statistics we can look at with this. And we
- 28:57S10: really have to understand that if we're going to have
- 28:59S10: a flourishing society, we have to have flourishing marriages and families.
- 29:04S10: And unfortunately, the tide of culture has really swept through.
- 29:10S10: And people don't understand that. They don't value children as
- 29:13S10: they should. They don't honor the marriage bed, as we're
- 29:16S10: told in Hebrews chapter 13. And we got a lot
- 29:20S10: of work to do there, Ali.
- 29:21S5: Now, I'm sure that you in this research, there are
- 29:24S5: as far as self-identified Christians, people are going to view
- 29:28S5: that differently. And we talk about that on this show
- 29:31S5: a lot, that just because someone calls themselves a Christian,
- 29:34S5: just because someone even attends church does not mean that
- 29:37S5: they are born again. And Carl's not here today. But
- 29:40S5: this is this is a big one for him and
- 29:42S5: for all of us. How did you break this down
- 29:45S5: in terms of how how committed of a disciple of
- 29:48S5: Jesus Christ a person is and how that relates to
- 29:51S5: their alignment biblically?
- 29:54S10: You're right. Going to church doesn't make you a Christian
- 29:57S10: anymore than sitting in a garage makes you a car.
- 30:00S10: So it has to do with the change that Jesus
- 30:04S10: does in our hearts. And so what we look at here,
- 30:07S10: we have three categories. The first one is what we
- 30:10S10: call integrated disciples, and they have an overall biblical alignment
- 30:16S10: in their beliefs and behaviors. and they possess a cohesive
- 30:20S10: biblical worldview. Those are integrated disciples. That's about 4% of
- 30:25S10: adults in America. The next group we would call emergent followers.
- 30:30S10: And these are individuals who possess some biblical beliefs and behaviors,
- 30:35S10: but not a full biblical worldview. And that's about 10%
- 30:39S10: or 25 million Americans are in that emergent followers. And
- 30:44S10: when you combine both of those numbers, it comes to
- 30:46S10: about 15%. And like you said, we're not really asking
- 30:51S10: about the self-identified Christian. We're actually trying to probe into
- 30:55S10: what they believe in their worldview. And that leaves the
- 30:58S10: last group, which is 85% of adults in America are
- 31:04S10: world citizens. And this third group are adults whose beliefs
- 31:08S10: and behaviors are shaped primarily by the surrounding culture rather
- 31:12S10: than by Scripture, and they have little to no biblical
- 31:15S10: alignment in the categories that we're talking about today.
- 31:19S5: You know, we we hear stats, I know believe it
- 31:22S5: was last year, there was a 22% increase in in
- 31:26S5: Bible purchases, Bible sales. There's been a renewed interest in
- 31:31S5: certainly in spiritual practices. Why, from your vantage point, is
- 31:35S5: the increase in Bible purchases or interest in spiritual things
- 31:40S5: not necessarily translating to an increase in biblical alignment? Or
- 31:44S5: maybe is it too soon to measure that?
- 31:47S10: Well, I hope that it's the second that it's too
- 31:50S10: soon to measure, because one of the things that we
- 31:53S10: talked about in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death was
- 31:56S10: the fact that a lot of churches really aren't prepared
- 31:59S10: for discipleship. So when people are buying Bibles and it's
- 32:03S10: wonderful that there are more Bibles being sold and people
- 32:06S10: hopefully are reading them, but there's a difference between just
- 32:10S10: having a Bible app or having a Bible and actually
- 32:13S10: having somebody walk you through that and help you grow
- 32:16S10: as a Christian. So we think that it's going to
- 32:20S10: take a lot of work because young people that come
- 32:22S10: to church, uh, anyone that's coming to church for the
- 32:25S10: first time is going to have a lot of questions
- 32:27S10: that need to be answered. They need a safe place
- 32:29S10: and they need a friend, a mentor, a discipler who's
- 32:33S10: going to walk through that. I know when I became
- 32:35S10: a Christian, it was that exact same thing. And that's
- 32:38S10: what Jesus died for. He died for followers, for disciples.
- 32:42S10: And so it might take some time for some of
- 32:45S10: these things to turn around. And boy, I would love
- 32:47S10: to see these numbers go in the right direction.
- 32:50S5: Yeah. You know, Carl often likes to talk about kind
- 32:52S5: of the blue sky vision. Uh, what is the blue
- 32:55S5: sky vision in this? Because certainly it could be discouraging
- 32:57S5: to hear that only 4% of people have a true
- 33:00S5: biblical worldview, that there's this gap in these different categories.
- 33:04S5: But certainly there's opportunity here because as as you said,
- 33:08S5: discipleship might be the missing component to close that gap.
- 33:12S5: Speak to that.
- 33:13S10: Yeah, I agree 100%. And as I mentioned earlier, there's
- 33:18S10: a group of people that have some knowledge and belief
- 33:21S10: in the Bible, Jesus salvation. These are the emergent followers,
- 33:26S10: about 10% of adults in America, most likely a lot
- 33:29S10: of people that go to church, they just don't have
- 33:33S10: that comprehensive biblical worldview. Wouldn't it be amazing if we
- 33:38S10: discipled them up 25 million Americans actually saying, I'm going
- 33:43S10: to carve out more time, not less, to meet with
- 33:46S10: other Christians? More of my focus is going to be
- 33:49S10: on God and advancing his kingdom in this world. Wow,
- 33:54S10: what a change would take place. And that for me
- 33:57S10: is the blue sky vision. And of course, when we're
- 34:00S10: doing that, more people who have never heard about Jesus
- 34:03S10: will join in because everyone is connected, right? We all
- 34:07S10: have these friends and networks of relationships, but we have
- 34:11S10: to get serious and joyful about our Christian faith. I
- 34:15S10: think moving towards discipling children within families, and definitely the
- 34:22S10: younger you are, the less likely it is right now
- 34:24S10: for you to have a biblical worldview. So partnering with
- 34:28S10: those parents of young children and supporting them in their
- 34:31S10: marriage and in their child rearing, I think would be
- 34:34S10: an excellent goal, an excellent target for us as the church.
- 34:39S5: Doctor Adam Rasmussen from the Arizona Christian University, the Cultural
- 34:43S5: Research Center. If you want to take a look at
- 34:45S5: this research for yourself, and I would encourage you to.
- 34:47S5: Not only is it illuminating, I think that there's some
- 34:50S5: real opportunity, as we talked about, just text research to (800) 555-7898.
- 34:57S5: Text research will send it to you, just research to
- 35:00S5: 805 557898.
- 35:03S1: She was trying to earn her way to God, but
- 35:06S1: God showed her she didn't have to. Ali is in
- 35:09S1: the crew. It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
- 35:13S5: Well, everybody is looking for something, even if they can't
- 35:17S5: put words to it. Even if they can't put a
- 35:19S5: finger on it. We're all. And each day we are
- 35:22S5: looking for purpose. We're looking for meaning. We're looking for fulfillment.
- 35:26S5: Sometimes looking for pleasure. Our York more our guests. Right
- 35:29S5: now he's a gifted speaker revivalist. He's an accomplished TikToker. Yes. Yeah.
- 35:34S5: We'll get to that in a minute. He's currently the
- 35:37S5: president CEO and national evangelist for the coalition for Christian Outreach.
- 35:41S5: You are active in ministry. Are York more. But before
- 35:45S5: that you were a college kid looking for something. What
- 35:49S5: was it you were looking for?
- 35:51S11: Well, I was an unusual college student because I wasn't
- 35:53S11: looking for a good job or a spouse. I went
- 35:56S11: to college searching for the meaning of the universe. I
- 36:00S11: was raised by atheists.
- 36:01S5: Okay, wait. You really? At the time that's what you
- 36:04S5: knew you were looking for?
- 36:05S11: Yes, absolutely.
- 36:06S5: Wow.
- 36:07S11: Okay. And I went to the University of Michigan. Go blue.
- 36:09S11: Still live here in the Ann Arbor area. I'm a
- 36:11S11: tried and true wolverine, but being raised by atheists. When
- 36:15S11: I came to college, I took on that mantle. And
- 36:18S11: in fact, my nickname in my fraternity was Satan, because
- 36:21S11: I persecuted Christians and wrote papers against Christians. But I
- 36:24S11: was looking for the foundation for my life. If there's
- 36:28S11: no God, if there's no transcendence, can anything mean anything
- 36:33S11: at all? And that was the quest that I was on.
- 36:35S11: So I was quite certain that the answer was no.
- 36:38S11: But I wanted to make sure. And so I became
- 36:40S11: an honors student in both data sciences section of the
- 36:43S11: psychology department. And my great love, which was the philosophy department.
- 36:48S11: So that's that's how I went to college, searching for
- 36:50S11: the meaning of the universe.
- 36:52S5: At what point did you realize that wait, my the
- 36:58S5: purposelessness of atheism. When did that all start to become
- 37:02S5: clear to you? And the answers found in Jesus Christ illuminated.
- 37:06S11: Well, you know, I don't think I was looking for
- 37:08S11: answers in religion. In fact, I was quite sure there
- 37:10S11: were none. And so when I got to the end
- 37:14S11: of my studies, my philosophic studies, I turned my honors
- 37:17S11: thesis in to the chair of our department. And it
- 37:20S11: was basically an atheistic expression that we call existentialism. You know,
- 37:24S11: think about Jean-Paul Sartre and others. And I remember turning
- 37:28S11: that paper in, and this is the short version. This
- 37:30S11: isn't the first encounter with the Holy Spirit. But I
- 37:33S11: turned that paper in. I walked out of the building,
- 37:36S11: and a cold blast of Michigan air swept the parking lot,
- 37:40S11: and I literally heard the voice of God. And I
- 37:42S11: wouldn't have used those words at the time, but I
- 37:44S11: heard God ask this question if you really believe everything
- 37:48S11: that you've written in that paper, why do anything at all?
- 37:51S11: Because I was a, you know, intJ type three, you know,
- 37:54S11: type A personality. I was a driver. I had multiple
- 37:57S11: jobs and multiple girlfriends. And I was an honor student
- 37:59S11: in multiple departments. And God basically brought me to my
- 38:03S11: knees by asking this question, why do anything at all
- 38:06S11: if it doesn't matter. I didn't have an answer for that,
- 38:09S11: but I knew that if there was a being that
- 38:11S11: was speaking to me in this wind, then I got
- 38:14S11: to figure out who he or she or it is.
- 38:17S11: And so I did something very unusual as an atheist.
- 38:19S11: I started to pray. Uh, and I said, every day
- 38:22S11: I said, Dear Allah, Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, he she it,
- 38:25S11: whoever you are, show me the money. And I was
- 38:28S11: looking for the angel Moroni or some algorithm to fall
- 38:31S11: out of the sky to demonstrate to me for sure
- 38:34S11: that there was a God. And so I started reading
- 38:37S11: the Bible and reading the Upanishads and reading the Quran
- 38:40S11: and talking to Muslims and talking to pastors and talking
- 38:42S11: to Christians. And after several weeks of investigation, I came
- 38:46S11: to the conclusion that there really is no God, and
- 38:48S11: religious people have no foundation for their ideology. And so therefore,
- 38:53S11: I was going to kill myself. So it was a
- 38:54S11: rational decision to commit suicide. It wasn't because I was
- 38:57S11: depressed or anything like that. It was, you know, the
- 39:00S11: end of the conclusion and existentialism. We call this the
- 39:02S11: great angst. When you come to the end of yourself
- 39:06S11: and you come to the end of the world and
- 39:08S11: there's nothing. It's just a great void of nothingness. But
- 39:12S11: before I did the act, I said, well, you know, maybe, uh,
- 39:16S11: maybe God can speak for himself. And so I went
- 39:18S11: back to prayer and, uh, after hearing nothing, I remember
- 39:22S11: it all came to a head. December 24th, 1989, Christmas Eve.
- 39:26S11: I'm sitting in the movie theater watching The Little Mermaid
- 39:29S11: with my fiance at that point, and I had what
- 39:32S11: I would call an atheistic epiphany. There is no God.
- 39:35S11: There is no afterlife. There is no meaning. There is
- 39:38S11: no purpose. It's all cartoons and sex and drugs and
- 39:42S11: the accumulation of material wealth. And if that's all there is,
- 39:45S11: I'm killing myself tonight. So I got my girlfriend or
- 39:48S11: my fiance rather dropped off at her house. I got
- 39:50S11: my car going about 90 miles an hour down the freeway.
- 39:53S11: A power and a presence flooded my car, took hold
- 39:56S11: of the wheel, and in that moment of decision, steered
- 39:59S11: me to safety. See, I'm the original Jesus take the
- 40:02S11: wheel story. I should be getting royalties, but I haven't
- 40:04S11: seen any checks yet. Wow. That encounter wasn't enough to
- 40:08S11: convert me. I still didn't know who I had this encounter,
- 40:11S11: what it meant, but it was enough to get me
- 40:13S11: home that night and I fell asleep. Woke up on
- 40:15S11: Christmas morning. And this is where my story with Jesus begins.
- 40:19S11: Christmas morning I wake up and for the first time
- 40:22S11: I pray a prayer of desperation. I said, God, if
- 40:25S11: that was you last night, I need to know right
- 40:27S11: now because I'm still going to kill myself. And I
- 40:29S11: walked into the next room, and my two older brothers
- 40:32S11: were also home from the University of Michigan, Go Blue.
- 40:35S11: And we were all sitting around the living room, and
- 40:37S11: one of my brothers, none of them were Christians, but
- 40:39S11: he had brought the poem footprints in the sand, a
- 40:43S11: very large printed, framed poster of the poem footprints in
- 40:47S11: the sand. And if you're not familiar with that, it's
- 40:50S11: just a story about how God is active in our lives,
- 40:52S11: how he's working in our lives, particularly during times of
- 40:56S11: difficulty and challenge. And I'm reading this, and I actually
- 41:00S11: heard the voice of God say three things to me
- 41:02S11: that changed my forever. He said, number one, I do exist.
- 41:05S11: Number two, I'm the reason why you exist. And number three,
- 41:08S11: I'm the one who kept you from killing yourself last night.
- 41:11S11: Which meant that God knew who I was, who I was.
- 41:13S11: He was involved in my story, and he cared enough
- 41:16S11: to actually intervene. And so, in tears, I ran into
- 41:20S11: the room and I still didn't know which God I
- 41:21S11: was praying to. But I said, Dear God, if you
- 41:23S11: can take my life and make anything out of it
- 41:25S11: from this day forward, I'm living for you. So that
- 41:28S11: was the beginning of my walk with the Lord. And, uh,
- 41:30S11: it's a, it's a testimony that wows a lot of people.
- 41:34S11: It's not the one that I wish that I had.
- 41:35S11: It's not the one I wished for my kids to have,
- 41:38S11: but it's the one that I got. Yeah.
- 41:41S5: Our York Moore, our guest right now, uh, he is
- 41:43S5: president and CEO of National evangelist for the coalition for
- 41:46S5: Christian Outreach, uh, formerly served with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship. He's
- 41:50S5: got a powerful TikTok ministry. You're a lot of what
- 41:54S5: I just read deals with young people. You have a
- 41:57S5: heart and a passion for young people. And after hearing
- 42:00S5: your story. It's pretty easy to understand why, unless I'm
- 42:04S5: drawing too many conclusions too quickly. It was a lot
- 42:07S5: of your passion born out of what you went through.
- 42:09S11: Yeah, absolutely. I have a passion for this generation and
- 42:13S11: the past several generations. I've been on the I went
- 42:15S11: to college in 1987 and I never left. I've been
- 42:18S11: on the college campuses now for, you know, 30 something years.
- 42:22S11: And I love I love this generation. Gen Z is
- 42:25S11: on our college campuses and we're getting ready for Gen
- 42:28S11: Alpha and they're coming. But here's the interesting thing, you know,
- 42:32S11: I've been an evangelist now for 30 years and I've
- 42:34S11: never seen an evangelistic opportunity like we're seeing in America
- 42:37S11: right now. All across the United States, we're seeing people
- 42:41S11: come to Jesus in ways that are extraordinary at levels
- 42:44S11: we've never seen before. In 2017, I co-founded the Every
- 42:48S11: Campus Coalition, which has 120 organizations. Every single collegiate ministry
- 42:53S11: in America is on the platform, and we're seeking God
- 42:57S11: for revival in our college campuses. And we believe that
- 43:00S11: we're beginning to see that. And we're seeing we're seeing
- 43:03S11: students baptized in the back of pickup trucks. We're seeing
- 43:06S11: athletes baptized in the in the water tanks, in their
- 43:09S11: locker rooms, coaches, uh, Bible studies that would typically have
- 43:13S11: 50 students have 500 students. Even in our ministry of
- 43:16S11: the coalition for Christian Outreach put our our missionaries on
- 43:19S11: staff at local churches. And we disciple students in the
- 43:22S11: context of the local church. We've seen a rash of
- 43:26S11: students coming into Bible studies, coming into churches, requesting to
- 43:30S11: be baptized, and they're showing up saying things like, I
- 43:33S11: don't know exactly why I'm here. I just got out
- 43:36S11: of bed and found myself here. Well, can you tell
- 43:38S11: me about Jesus? Like, you can't make this stuff up.
- 43:41S11: What we're seeing is extraordinary. But at the foundational level,
- 43:45S11: there is a heart search that's going on, and we
- 43:48S11: see it in many different ways. And what we're saying
- 43:51S11: is we need to be active and present and available
- 43:54S11: for this move of God that we're seeing.
- 43:56S5: Our York Moore, our guest right now. Coming up, let's
- 43:58S5: talk a little bit more about that search that many
- 44:01S5: young people are on and what he's seeing and how
- 44:04S5: we can be praying for this next generation. More coming
- 44:08S5: up here with our York more here on Carl and crew.
- 44:10S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
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- 44:20S5: We're seeing stories on college campuses. You're seeing it on
- 44:23S5: social media. Our York Moore, our guest right now, there
- 44:26S5: is an awakening happening in this country, maybe not reported on,
- 44:31S5: but you're seeing it every day. Give us just a
- 44:34S5: little bit of a recap of what you're seeing across
- 44:37S5: the country as it pertains to young people.
- 44:39S11: We're seeing a move of God, to be honest. It
- 44:43S11: full stop. We're seeing something like we've never seen before.
- 44:46S11: We're seeing an openness to the gospel. We're seeing students
- 44:49S11: interested in joining church. And, you know, I don't know
- 44:52S11: if you've seen the recent statistic, but, you know, Gen
- 44:54S11: Z has increased Bible purchases for the first time in
- 44:58S11: decades and decades. You know, church attendance in the United
- 45:01S11: States was going down year over year for over 20 years.
- 45:04S11: Until last year, Gen Z, being led by young men,
- 45:08S11: have actually increased church attendance across the United States. Many
- 45:11S11: of these are things that, you know, even in our
- 45:14S11: wildest dreams, all of the, you know, prognosticators that deal
- 45:18S11: in statistics, we never saw this coming. And listen, there's
- 45:22S11: only one explanation. And that is God is on the
- 45:25S11: move in a powerful way. And he's meeting a generation
- 45:28S11: that are hungrier than ever before.
- 45:30S7: What do you.
- 45:31S5: See that primarily young people are looking for? And obviously,
- 45:36S5: we can't broad brush it too much. But trends that
- 45:38S5: you're seeing, you're active on TikTok, you have how many
- 45:42S5: is it followers on TikTok or viewers? Or how does
- 45:45S5: how is that metric measured?
- 45:47S11: Yeah, followers about 650,000 followers on TikTok. And, you know,
- 45:51S11: I've been on the platform for, you know, 4 or
- 45:54S11: 5 years and micro trends, like the individual things that
- 45:58S11: catch fire. Those come and go. But here's the reality.
- 46:02S11: This generation isn't just scrolling. They're searching. Yeah. You know.
- 46:05S11: Behind this endless scrolling is a deeper search for identity,
- 46:09S11: for belonging, for purpose. 1 in 3 Gen Z says
- 46:12S11: they feel addicted to their phones and addicted to social media.
- 46:15S11: But listen, Gen Z reports. And should this surprise us
- 46:18S11: higher levels than ever of loneliness and anxiety than any
- 46:23S11: previous generation? And I think it's in that loneliness and
- 46:26S11: that anxiety, that vacuum for meaning and purpose that God
- 46:31S11: is birthing a desire for something greater, something more.
- 46:35S5: You know, I have a 16 year old daughter and
- 46:37S5: the phone is definitely attached to her much of the time.
- 46:40S5: I have a 13 year old son who doesn't care
- 46:43S5: as much about. He doesn't actually have a phone, but
- 46:45S5: the video games draw his attention. Now, obviously, as parents
- 46:49S5: and in general, we don't want our kids addicted to screens.
- 46:53S5: It's a battle we we do want to stay in
- 46:55S5: the fight. But how do we, from your perspective, how
- 46:58S5: do we leverage the fact that they are going to
- 47:01S5: be on screens for the good?
- 47:03S11: Yeah, we're never going back. And it's it's only going
- 47:05S11: to get more intense with the dawn of, you know,
- 47:08S11: automated generative artificial intelligence. And I'm thinking a lot and
- 47:11S11: speaking a lot on AI these days, but the ubiquitous
- 47:15S11: presence of screens in our lives is only going to
- 47:17S11: become more and more. And the question is, how do
- 47:21S11: we think christianly about these things? I personally believe that
- 47:24S11: all things belong to God, that there isn't a square
- 47:27S11: inch of the creation that doesn't belong to Jesus, and
- 47:31S11: that includes the digital realm, the place where we go
- 47:35S11: on our screens. The screen is just a tool that
- 47:38S11: takes us to a place, and that place connects us
- 47:40S11: with friends, and it connects us with predators. So we
- 47:44S11: see the opportunity and we see the risk. At the
- 47:46S11: same time, it connects us with pornography, but it also
- 47:48S11: connects us to the Bible app and to, you know,
- 47:51S11: resources like my TikTok channel. So the screen itself is benign.
- 47:56S11: It's neither morally good or bad. It's what it teleports
- 47:59S11: us to. It's what it invites us to. But here's
- 48:02S11: the thing. Our young people are being discipled. They are
- 48:06S11: being discipled by their algorithms. Your algorithm tells you everything
- 48:10S11: that you need to know about a person. You want
- 48:12S11: to know somebody. Something about a person that you're dating,
- 48:14S11: or something that you're interested in, or somebody that your
- 48:17S11: daughter or your son is interested in. You take a
- 48:19S11: look at their phone without any clicks and you just
- 48:22S11: scroll through their for you page on TikTok or Instagram reels.
- 48:25S11: And what will automatically come up will show you what's
- 48:28S11: discipling them. And so that means that the church needs
- 48:31S11: to be present and active. We can't put our head
- 48:34S11: in the sand and just kind of wish for yesteryear
- 48:36S11: where screens didn't dominate our time. The answer isn't a
- 48:40S11: kind of monastic pullback from digital technology. It's to think
- 48:43S11: christianly about it. And to say this too belongs to
- 48:47S11: the Lord Jesus Christ. This screen, the digital realm, whether
- 48:50S11: it's Snapchat or TikTok or Instagram, whether it's an algorithm
- 48:54S11: or an artificial intelligence, all of those things, they belong
- 48:58S11: to God and they must be brought under submission to
- 49:01S11: the Lordship of Jesus Christ.
- 49:02S5: You know one thing, and I am certainly not as
- 49:04S5: tuned in to this stuff as you are. But one
- 49:06S5: thing I have noticed, just in my own, uh, observation
- 49:10S5: of trends, I've seen a high interest in baptism. I've
- 49:15S5: seen a high interest of younger people in spirituality, but
- 49:18S5: I've also seen this sort of dangerous linking of kind
- 49:22S5: of Jesus as an add on to the things that
- 49:25S5: I already want to do, if that makes sense. How
- 49:28S5: do we make sure that the the interest in spiritual
- 49:32S5: things is anchored and grounded in truth?
- 49:36S11: That's a great question. And I do think it's the
- 49:38S11: challenge of discipleship in the age that we're in. And
- 49:40S11: so what I would say is that we are experiencing
- 49:43S11: the dawn of a new syncretism, and that is that
- 49:47S11: we're trying to compatible our interest and excitement about Jesus
- 49:52S11: with all kinds of things Western materialism, um, manifestation techniques
- 49:57S11: that are very, very popular. That's an entirely new burgeoning religion, right?
- 50:01S11: If you're not aware of that. And so young people,
- 50:04S11: they definitely don't see the incongruity. So how do we
- 50:07S11: actually root them in truth? Well, we obviously have to
- 50:11S11: expose them to discipleship opportunities. But you look at things
- 50:14S11: like the Bible Project, you look at all kinds of
- 50:18S11: online learning communities, like Tara Cobbs and other kinds of
- 50:22S11: communities that are getting young people into the Word of God.
- 50:25S11: You know, and there's good news on that front. The
- 50:27S11: there's a direct correlation through studies that shows that Gen
- 50:32S11: Z's consumption of the hit show the chosen has a
- 50:36S11: direct correlation to the increase in Bible sales in the
- 50:40S11: United States. So when you expose people increasingly to truth,
- 50:44S11: they're going to be discipled by truth. When you expose
- 50:47S11: people Increasingly to lies and corruption and false worldviews and
- 50:52S11: ideologies and false religions. They're going to be discipled by
- 50:55S11: those things. So there's a three alarm fire in my
- 50:58S11: mind of both opportunity and risk. This is not the
- 51:02S11: time for the church to lay back and figure out
- 51:05S11: what kind of new building we should have. Should we
- 51:07S11: pave the parking lot in October or April? No. Listen.
- 51:11S11: The fields are ripe unto harvest, and we need to
- 51:13S11: rush with all that we got. You know, capitalize on
- 51:16S11: this opportunity to win this nation for Christ. We have
- 51:20S11: to act like never before.
- 51:22S5: Good word are York Moore, our guest. If you want more.
- 51:25S5: We mentioned a lot. He is TikTok channel. If that's
- 51:28S5: something that that you, you or your kids or your
- 51:31S5: grandkids are interested in. You're going to want to get
- 51:33S5: connected there also. The coalition for Christian Outreach, we mentioned
- 51:37S5: that as well. If you want more, just text York
- 51:40S5: to 805 557898. We'll get you linked up. Just text
- 51:45S5: York to 805 557898.