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Credlin | 18 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Put eving great to have your company. Here's what's coming
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Speaker 2: up in the program tonight. The US looks boys to
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Speaker 2: join Israel in directly attacking in Ran. President Trump now
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Speaker 2: calling for the Uranian leaders to surrender unconditionally. Greg Sheridan
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Speaker 2: joins me tonight and at least is on a precipice.
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Speaker 2: And if the AA Tolder is no more, who or
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Speaker 2: what will fill the vacuum. The Liberal Party review into
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Speaker 2: their disastrous campaign's now officially being established. And yet again
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Speaker 2: the silver bullet from Labor Life liberals is the introduction
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Speaker 2: of gender quotas. And yet the reality is the only
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Speaker 2: seat just one the Liberals one at the last election
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Speaker 2: was one by a Liberal man defeating a woman. Not
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Speaker 2: that simple, is it? Last? Jim Chalmers at the Press
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Speaker 2: Club today admitting that the federal budget's not sustainable. True,
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Speaker 2: one thing to acknowledge it, though another thing to fix it.
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Speaker 2: And when it comes to budget restrained spendy, it's just
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Speaker 2: not in Labour's DNA. And for a second day, the
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Speaker 2: PM dogged by questions over the Donald Trump meeting snub
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Speaker 2: with Anthony Alberteze now considering an urgent trip to NATO
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Speaker 2: next week to try and make amends.
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Speaker 3: We'll reschedule a meeting from time to time. That is
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Speaker 3: what occurs.
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Speaker 4: Everything that's happening well tis allies.
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Speaker 5: Potentially consideration goes to the A.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that's been considered.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue because after being jilted at
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Speaker 2: the Altar this week in Canada, it seems that Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albertasi will try again to secure an audience with the
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Speaker 2: US President, not in September when we know he's in
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Speaker 2: New York for the UN Meeting, but most likely by
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Speaker 2: attending next week's NATO summit in the Netherlands. So this
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Speaker 2: Trump meeting must really be getting urgent because last week
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Speaker 2: the PM tried to downplay talk. It was even on
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Speaker 2: the agenda, it was in his diary, and then it wasn't.
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Speaker 2: And now he's ready to cross the globe twice to
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Speaker 2: make it happen. But if he chooses to go to NATO,
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Speaker 2: you would want to be sure, wouldn't you that the
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Speaker 2: meeting would actually come off. I mean, what if Albineazy
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Speaker 2: landed at the Hague and then Trump pulled out of
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Speaker 2: the NATO meeting. Yikes. I mean bad enough to be
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Speaker 2: snubbed once, but that would be pretty hard to explain
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Speaker 2: or recover from being dubbed twice by your closest ally.
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Speaker 2: And therein lies the real problem. It should never have
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Speaker 2: got to this, an Australian Prime Minister schlepping around the
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Speaker 2: world in the hope of getting his first face to
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Speaker 2: face meeting with the US President in the margins, literally
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Speaker 2: in the corridors of an international convention. Now, not only
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Speaker 2: is it demeaning to US as a nation, but it
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Speaker 2: raises the question why the PM's reluctance just to get
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Speaker 2: on a plane and go to Washington as opposed to
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Speaker 2: this diplomatic equivalent of stalking the world's most powerful man. Now, honestly,
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Speaker 2: what's wrong with making a drift in DC for the
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Speaker 2: soul purpose of establishing a personal rapport with the leader
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Speaker 2: of our most important ally. I mean, it's not as
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Speaker 2: if Anthony Albanez he hates to travel. It's not like
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Speaker 2: he doesn't like hobb nobbing with celebrities. I mean, no
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Speaker 2: PM has been abroad as often, and there isn't a
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Speaker 2: Grand Final or a sellout event that the PM won't
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Speaker 2: attend provided of course, it's got a lot of cameras
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Speaker 2: and not much thought. So why the Washington reluctance? After all,
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Speaker 2: he thought of nothing to visit the Pope for the
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Speaker 2: visit rome, for the Pope's installation. But the pope's not
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Speaker 2: as sceric of the importance to Australia, at least in
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Speaker 2: practical terms, as the US president is. So what's Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albertese's aversion to Washington and the Oval Office? Then? Well,
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Speaker 2: back in twenty seventeen, when he was a mere labor
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Speaker 2: frontbencher and Donald Trump was in his first term, Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albertezi couldn't help but pour scorn on the US president.
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Speaker 3: We have an alliance with the US.
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Speaker 6: We're going to deal with him.
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Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that you're uncritical about it. He's
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Speaker 3: scared out of me.
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Speaker 2: At the time, it was assumed that this was just
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Speaker 2: the left standard Trump derangement syndrome that had him spoot,
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Speaker 2: and maybe it was. Maybe it's true now, maybe he's
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Speaker 2: actually intimidated. Trump is, as we know, unpredictable, and Alwine
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Speaker 2: easy isn't exactly known for his ability to think fast
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Speaker 2: on his feet. Maybe it's his minders who were scared
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Speaker 2: witless of a Zelenski style dressing down in the Oval office,
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Speaker 2: or maybe because addressing down he could very easily get
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Speaker 2: give it his own disparaging comments about Trump, the sneering
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Speaker 2: from others like rad and Penny Wong, plus his government's
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Speaker 2: almost pathological aversion to raising defense meaning despite our increased
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Speaker 2: strategic danger. Maybe that's it. Perhaps he thinks that are
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Speaker 2: meeting on the sidelines of something else would be brief
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Speaker 2: and that Trump would be distracted anyway, I doubt it.
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Speaker 2: Maybe he's worried that Donald Trump might ask him to
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Speaker 2: explain why Australia's energy policies making has ever more depended
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Speaker 2: on Chinese solar panels and wind turbines, that he might
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Speaker 2: ask us, why the heck are we still in Paris
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Speaker 2: and why are we making ourselves weaker and weaker by
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Speaker 2: refusing to even look at nuclear power. Maybe overwhelmingly, I
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Speaker 2: think it's petrified about being pushed on defense spending by
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Speaker 2: our largest ally and not being able to provide a
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Speaker 2: plausible answer as why Australia expects the US sons and
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Speaker 2: daughters to put their lives on the line to defend
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Speaker 2: us if necessary, and yet we can't even lift our
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Speaker 2: military spending to help ourselves. And he's right to worry
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Speaker 2: because there's nothing he can say really that stacks up. Indeed,
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Speaker 2: he should take a lesson out of Keir Starmer's book,
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Speaker 2: who took a rocky relationship with Trump and turned it around. Now,
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Speaker 2: let's not forget the British Labor Party said dozens and
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Speaker 2: dozens of staffers to help the Biden campaign to Trump.
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Speaker 2: One Starmer earned his absolution by fronding up to the
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Speaker 2: Oval Office back in February, behaving like an adult and
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Speaker 2: offering up as a measure of good will and increasing
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Speaker 2: British defense spending to three percent of GDP. That was
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Speaker 2: long overdue, because it's not just getting the meeting that matters.
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Speaker 2: It's what you do and say in it that counts
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Speaker 2: to get anywhere with the US. Right now, Australian needs
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Speaker 2: to demonstrate that we are an ally that pulls our weight.
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Speaker 2: Otherwise any meeting is a disaster, whenever and wherever it
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Speaker 2: takes place. Of course, there's another possible explanation for the
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Speaker 2: PM's aversion to having a serious sit down with a
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Speaker 2: president as opposed to a brush past in a corridor.
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Speaker 2: Maybe this lifelong leftist and instinctive anti nuclear activist, wouldn't
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Speaker 2: really mind if Aucus failed, especially if he could blame
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Speaker 2: someone else for being unreasonable, because Aucust is very inconvenient Labor,
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Speaker 2: because Orcus's nuclear submarines program makes a mockery of Labour's
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Speaker 2: rejection of nuclear power, and this is why many inside
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Speaker 2: Albany'ese has left faction want Aucust to fail. But one
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Speaker 2: thing is for sure. The longer their first meeting is delayed,
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Speaker 2: and right now the PMS about the only G twenty
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Speaker 2: leader who has not met with Trump in the seven
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Speaker 2: months or so since he was elected. The longer it's delayed,
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Speaker 2: the more significant that meeting will become when it happens,
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Speaker 2: and the more pressure there will be on our prime minister. Now,
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Speaker 2: I think Australia's weakest stance on Israel is also a
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Speaker 2: factor here, that our votes against Israel and the US
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Speaker 2: position at the UN have made it more difficult for us.
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Speaker 2: And the fact too that in our recent election campaign,
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Speaker 2: so much of Labour's attack against Peter Dunden was about
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Speaker 2: fitting him up as a Southern hemisphere Trump. Now there's
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Speaker 2: a saying that all politics is personal, and that's been
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Speaker 2: my observation of leaders close up. There's a lot in
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Speaker 2: that saying. Now, the problem here is that our Prime
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Speaker 2: minister has made his attacks on Trump very personal. Now
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Speaker 2: that he needs him, he's finding Trump's memory is about
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Speaker 2: on par with his ego. All right, let's get the
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Speaker 2: headlines now from Canbers Gunnis for the Reporter Cam Reddit.
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Speaker 7: Good evening. A straight sets win in the High Court
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Speaker 7: means the Albanese government's intervention into one of Australia's largest
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Speaker 7: and most powerful unions can continue.
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Speaker 2: The government will not tolerate criminal behavior, corruption and violence
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Speaker 2: in the construction sector.
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Speaker 7: Claims of criminal conduct within the CFMEU saw two hundred
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Speaker 7: and seventy officials sacked and administrator Mark Irving Case installed
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Speaker 7: to clean the union up. One of those dismissed, Former
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Speaker 7: Queensland Secretary Michael Ravbar, claimed the action was unconstitutional, but
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Speaker 7: the High Court today dismissed his case in a unanimous
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Speaker 7: seven to zero ruling.
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Speaker 2: This now creates that certainty we need.
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Speaker 8: Gen registration always must remain on the table as a
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Speaker 8: final measure.
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Speaker 7: Treasurer Jim Chalmers has laid out the case for broader
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Speaker 7: tax reform during an address to the National Press Club.
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Speaker 5: Tax reform is so crucial to budget sustainability. It's also
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Speaker 5: about lifting productivity, it's about encouraging investment, lowering the personal
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Speaker 5: tax burden.
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Speaker 7: Just don't ask him what's on or off the table.
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Speaker 5: I think limiting ourselves to ruling things in or out
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Speaker 5: forever has a cancerous effect on our policy debates.
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Speaker 7: The Prime Minister could now meet with President Trump as
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Speaker 7: soon as next week after their catch up in Canada
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Speaker 7: was canceled.
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Speaker 3: It's perfectly understandable. Will reschedule a meeting from time to time,
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Speaker 3: that is what occurs.
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Speaker 7: Anthony Alberanezi is weighing up a snap visit to next
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Speaker 7: week's NATO summit in hope of finally coming face to
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Speaker 7: face with Donald Trump. Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, planning, get across, johnyan Now, senior political reporter
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Speaker 2: Tritty Macintosh and senior reporter Krolyn Marcus. Well, welcome to
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Speaker 2: you both. We'll start with the Trump meeting will fallout today.
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Speaker 2: It's a run into the second day. The PM desperate
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Speaker 2: to try and brush off any criticism.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen the decision that he made that meant
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Speaker 3: that the meetings that were scheduled not just with myself,
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Speaker 3: but with India, Ukraine, including President Zelenski, Mexico and other
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Speaker 3: countries didn't go ahead. Today's happening, well a potentially, yes,
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Speaker 3: that's been considered.
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Speaker 2: Truly in many respects. I feel for the Prime Minister here,
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Speaker 2: I feel for his office. I've been there when these
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Speaker 2: things have moved around beyond your control. He mentions the
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Speaker 2: skinned president there and true their medig was canceled between
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Speaker 2: Trump and the President, but they got a phone call
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Speaker 2: from Trump. We didn't. Now he's talking about junking his
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Speaker 2: program for next week and heading off to NATO. So
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Speaker 2: clearly he's made a call that this meeting now cannot
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Speaker 2: wait until September, hasn't he.
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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, it seems like that this is now a
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Speaker 9: live option, that he's going to go to the Hague
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Speaker 9: to attend the NATO summit.
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Speaker 2: That had not been the plan up until today.
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Speaker 9: Richard Marles, the Defense Minister, was the one who was
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Speaker 9: slated to go.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 9: It shows you, as you say, they do want to
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Speaker 9: secure this first face to face meeting. It had been
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Speaker 9: telegraphed for such a long time as being at the
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Speaker 9: sidelines of the G seven summit. Donald Trump suddenly pulls
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Speaker 9: the rug out from under Anthony Abernuez E.
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Speaker 2: But not just him.
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Speaker 9: Ukraine's president was in the same situation. His country was
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Speaker 9: under attack as he was flying to this summer. He
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Speaker 9: goes all wait not to see he has That's true,
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Speaker 9: But the reporting out of Ukraine is they were still
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Speaker 9: disappointed that this is something that not just Australia is
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Speaker 9: dealing with.
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Speaker 2: How do you deal with the president.
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Speaker 9: Whose schedule continues to change. You might, with all the
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Speaker 9: best intentions, have it locked in and then it changes.
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Speaker 9: That would be my worry for the PMP to going
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Speaker 9: to NATO. You might go there and Donald Trurey doesn't go,
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Speaker 9: or at the last minute he has to leave.
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Speaker 2: Does that look? Does that a worse.
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Speaker 9: Situation to attend for a second time and then be
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Speaker 9: snubbed Apparently again, I think it's risky to go. He's
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Speaker 9: been to them in the past, there is a precedent
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Speaker 9: for it. But yeah, what a time and politics to.
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Speaker 2: Be Yeah, the problem with NATO two, I mean we're
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Speaker 2: not in the first eleven really in NATO, so he'll
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Speaker 2: have a lot of other priority, my lads, In addition
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Speaker 2: to the NATO deliberations and obviously, with the world at
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Speaker 2: war in multiple theaters, NATO takes on a different significance.
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Speaker 2: And you're right if he gets there and something happens
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Speaker 2: and the meeting doesn't happen for a second time. I
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Speaker 2: think the problem is l PM has said a lot
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Speaker 2: on the record that Trump knows about that's not been flattering.
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Speaker 2: Trump obviously would read the wires coming out of the
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Speaker 2: electure campaign in Australia and saw that he was a
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Speaker 2: figure of derision for labor and used against Peter Dunton.
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Speaker 2: He knows all of that. They still have not ever
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Speaker 2: met face to face seven months into the job. We
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Speaker 2: can talk about all those other leaders like Modi and
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Speaker 2: the Mexican and Zelensky who had missed yesterday, but they've
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Speaker 2: all met him. Our bloke hasn't met him. And we've
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Speaker 2: got a long laundry list of issues and we're not
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Speaker 2: making ourselves popular because we keep snubbing them. In relation
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Speaker 2: to defense spending, yeah, it's just a tricky issue.
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Speaker 9: The one thing that stood out to me before this
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Speaker 9: election of Donald Trump again, Keir Starmer went privately to
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Speaker 9: Trump Tower to meet Donald Trump in the very likelihood
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Speaker 9: that he was going to be re elected that the
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Speaker 9: UK Labor team thought it's better to try and lay
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Speaker 9: the groundwork for a potential Trump second term. We didn't
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Speaker 9: take that opportunity. The decision was made not to do that.
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Speaker 9: So it does make this complicated, Anthony Arbenezi. The only
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Speaker 9: upside I thought yesterday, Peter, is that tweet from Caroline Levett,
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Speaker 9: the Press secretary didn't come out during Anthony Aarbanese's press conference.
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Speaker 9: He'd only just left in front of the press back.
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Speaker 9: Imagine that being told by journalists to your face that
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Speaker 9: your meeting's been canceled. I think that was the one
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Speaker 9: silver lining for Room yesterday.
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Speaker 2: You've got to take the small mercies where you can
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Speaker 2: get them. That you Caroline. Let's go to the news
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Speaker 2: about the Liberal Party. They have officially announced their review process.
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Speaker 2: It will be a review. Submissions are open until August.
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Speaker 2: It'll be headed up by former New South the Wild
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Speaker 2: State Minister Pro Goward and of course Howard Government Cabinet
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Speaker 2: minister Nick mentioned. They're not just going to look at
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Speaker 2: the campaign in this review are though, though, Carolina, it's
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Speaker 2: going to be quite comprehensive.
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Speaker 1: Well, they've got a really broad term of reference here,
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Speaker 1: so they can really look at anything that they consider
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Speaker 1: relevant to the election results, and it was historically low
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Speaker 1: result for the Liberal Party, so they'll be dissecting everything.
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Speaker 2: That could have contributed to that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they'll have a look, it's been said, at
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Speaker 1: just the performance and general of the opposition during the
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Speaker 1: last term of government. They'll look at how the vote
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Speaker 1: went among different voter segments, and they'll also be having
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Speaker 1: a look at the challenge from the tials and how
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Speaker 1: the Liberal Party might be able to meet that challenge.
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Speaker 1: But of course a lot of it is going to
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Speaker 1: be taken up by looking in depth at the election
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Speaker 1: campaign itself. It is due submissions at the first of August,
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Speaker 1: so they've got six weeks and then till the end
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Speaker 1: of the year to report back.
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Speaker 2: Let's hope it that doesn't sit on the shelf like
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Speaker 2: a lot of the other reviews in recent times. I
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Speaker 2: think that's part of the problem as well. Hey Truy,
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Speaker 2: what's going on the other side of the ear the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. What we're five weeks on from the election now,
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Speaker 2: they've not released the staffing numbers, they've not secured their
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Speaker 2: own stuff. They've got some six hundred positions where people
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Speaker 2: are not yet confirmed. I'm told we've got what about
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Speaker 2: eighty or ninety for the coalition. There'll be all this
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Speaker 2: other stuff obviously around the cross speech and elsewhere. Now,
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Speaker 2: come on, unless they get the staff into these minister's offices,
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Speaker 2: they really can't get to work. I don't know what's
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Speaker 2: going on. You got any ideas?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, on both sides. I've speaken to staff as today
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Speaker 9: see new ones, Peter, and there is a level of uncertainty,
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Speaker 9: and particularly on the coalition side, people in senior roles
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Speaker 9: who are doing the job are being paid because they
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Speaker 9: had a job in the opposition before, but are technically
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Speaker 9: not in the spot, so they can't actually travel as
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Speaker 9: a part of their work. On the government side, it
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Speaker 9: relies on the government staff as being locked in. Then
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Speaker 9: that allocation is a proportion going to the opposition.
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Speaker 2: That's how these things work. But ultimately it's up to
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Speaker 2: the Prime minister.
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Speaker 9: A government source telling me today the decision has not
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Speaker 9: yet been made. They're expecting it to happen within the
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Speaker 9: coming days slash weeks, noting that the Prime Minister's currently
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Speaker 9: overseas so potentially be able to happen when he comes back,
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Speaker 9: but as you say, a.
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Speaker 2: Lot of uncertainty.
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Speaker 9: The people we don't normally think that much about in policies,
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Speaker 9: are you the staff, And it is a lot of
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Speaker 9: uncertainty for people I doerfed out or forced to boof
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Speaker 9: as a result of their bosses.
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Speaker 2: And surely someone else in that office can use a computer.
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Speaker 2: Come on, get on with it, Get on with it.
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Speaker 2: We want the government back and the country working again. Hey,
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Speaker 2: speculation today that Josh s Reid move might be having
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Speaker 2: another tilted federal politics. There's been a new executive elected
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Speaker 2: for the Coupyong branch out in the east of Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: It's been joined with the old Higgins branch. The seat
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Speaker 2: of Higgins, of course, has been abolished, and quote, a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of Josh people have been elected. Now this
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Speaker 2: one's interesting for me here, Caroline, because Emelia Hamer contested
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Speaker 2: that seat. She obviously narrowly lost there to Monique Ryan.
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Speaker 2: And all the people who said Haym was a sort
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Speaker 2: of young person, a young woman we want to see
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Speaker 2: in politics are now all the same people saying, well,
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Speaker 2: she's going to move to one side because we want
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Speaker 2: Josh to get in the job. They're also the same
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Speaker 2: people who say the Liberal Party must have quotas.
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Speaker 1: I think when push comes to shove, party members on
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Speaker 1: the whole are going to be backing someone who they
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Speaker 1: see as not only a potential Liberal leader, a future
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Speaker 1: Liberal leader, but someone who could be future Liberal Prime minister.
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Speaker 1: And that's always how Josh Fredenburg has been viewed. Look,
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Speaker 1: it would mean obviously he would need to have another
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Speaker 1: crack at it, but there's been rumors for a long
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Speaker 1: time and he refuses to say whether that's the case.
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Speaker 2: But I think he'd be stupid not to.
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Speaker 1: Given how close Amelia haimercam at unseating Monique Ryan, I
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Speaker 1: think he would have been watching that very closely and
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Speaker 1: thinking thinking what we're all thinking right now, that he's
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Speaker 1: going to have another go.
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Speaker 2: I don't care how good.
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Speaker 1: The pay and the hours are at Goldman Sachs compared
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Speaker 1: to his political job. I think some people are just
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Speaker 1: conviction politicians, and I dare say Josh Fridenberg is among them.
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Speaker 1: And he never got to fulfill his ambitions of becoming
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Speaker 1: prime minister one day, so I have no doubt we
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Speaker 1: will see him again. And now the chair position, the
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Speaker 1: treasurer positioned, the membership officer position, have all gone to
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Speaker 1: Josh loyalists. I dare say we will see him pre
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Speaker 1: selected at the next selection.
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Speaker 2: I suspect to write, but we'll get the dance of
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Speaker 2: the Seven Vales before we get to that, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of urging and we forced reluctantly to run. But hey,
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Speaker 2: let's go to the news. The poor old Tony Burke
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Speaker 2: has got more trouble on his doorstep. This is again
19:29
Speaker 2: in relation to those foreign detainees. We've got another man,
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Speaker 2: Somali born individual charged with breaching his electronic monitoring but
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Speaker 2: also committing serious crime which's not disclosed to what that
19:40
Speaker 2: is whilst on bail. We also saw in recent days
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Speaker 2: a man was assaulted, an Australian man assaulted. He's fighting
19:48
Speaker 2: for his life. That involved another foreign detainee. And we
19:53
Speaker 2: still don't have one one community protection order lodge from
19:58
Speaker 2: the government. Truty.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, we've seen the oppositions. Andrew Hasty picking up the
20:04
Speaker 9: ball on this one, trying to get some traction. He's
20:07
Speaker 9: arguing that the government, as you say, should be using
20:09
Speaker 9: those powers that they rush through the parliament. Don't forget
20:12
Speaker 9: that in terms of preventative detention orders. Home Affairs Minister
20:16
Speaker 9: Tony Burke in a statement though, pointing to this as
20:18
Speaker 9: a High Court ruling and a challenge on one aspect
20:22
Speaker 9: of this end zid yq cohort. They're waiting on that
20:25
Speaker 9: in terms of trying to use separate powers to actually
20:28
Speaker 9: deport these people. As Andrew Hasty's point is that ultimately
20:33
Speaker 9: we can't afford to wait until that court ruling.
20:35
Speaker 2: But that's where this is up to.
20:36
Speaker 9: In terms of political sense, it's certainly not getting the
20:38
Speaker 9: potency it did when this first came to the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Is it Peter.
20:44
Speaker 10: No.
20:44
Speaker 2: But unfortunately we've got astrain a man who's likely to
20:46
Speaker 2: lose his life because the government's still waiting on legal
20:48
Speaker 2: advice or hasn't got its act together. And I just
20:50
Speaker 2: don't think that two years on that's good enough. I'd
20:53
Speaker 2: put the application in if it was me, and let
20:55
Speaker 2: them take you to court government and test it, rather
20:59
Speaker 2: than just hold back and wanting perfect I think it's crazy.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Thank you both, all right. Today's
21:05
Speaker 2: announcement the Liberal Party's official review into the historic election
21:08
Speaker 2: loss in May is underway. It brings with it the
21:11
Speaker 2: usual demands of the party needs to move its policies
21:14
Speaker 2: to the left. I'd have to say the election, I
21:16
Speaker 2: thought they were close to the left anyway, and to
21:19
Speaker 2: introduce gender quotas to if the party is standing with women.
21:22
Speaker 2: Now you know my views on quotas. The only way
21:26
Speaker 2: you pick a good candidate is to pick them based
21:28
Speaker 2: on merit. Anything else is profoundly illiberal. But if you
21:33
Speaker 2: listen to others around the fringes of the Liberal Party
21:37
Speaker 2: or they think that quotas are the answer.
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Speaker 6: The Liberals don't like to learn quotas too much. But
21:42
Speaker 6: I do think that it is time that we address
21:46
Speaker 6: this hands down. This needs to be the one thing
21:49
Speaker 6: that we finally do. It should have been done at
21:53
Speaker 6: the last review after the Scott Morrison loss, and we
21:57
Speaker 6: didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: Don't even owns to discuss this. Head of Advocacy at
22:02
Speaker 2: the Women's Forum Australia, Stephanie Bastian, Stephie, thanks for your time. Look,
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Speaker 2: I think we'll probably all agree, Charlotte Wrdlocke, yourself and
22:10
Speaker 2: I that we need more strong women in the Liberal
22:13
Speaker 2: Party's ranks. But for a lot of Liberal women talk
22:15
Speaker 2: of quotas as at anathema. People like Charlotte say it's
22:19
Speaker 2: the answer to the party's problems. Will give you your
22:22
Speaker 2: take on this debate.
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Speaker 11: Well, good evening, Peter. I'm yet to hear a plausible
22:28
Speaker 11: argument about how quotas will flip a single vote. If
22:31
Speaker 11: we want to fix the Liberal parties perceived women problem,
22:34
Speaker 11: we need to address the way that outspoken women are
22:36
Speaker 11: treated in the party. And I'll note that even organizations
22:40
Speaker 11: like the Helmer's Network and Miss nort Lock have been
22:42
Speaker 11: very quiet about the way that Mora Deming was treated
22:44
Speaker 11: by her male colleagues, the way that cath Eves was
22:47
Speaker 11: briefed against, about the way that day Lee was treated
22:50
Speaker 11: when she was suspended for ten years from the New
22:52
Speaker 11: South Wales division. If we want to get serious about
22:56
Speaker 11: winning over female voters, we need to improve our policy base.
22:59
Speaker 11: Are often the economic managers of their homes. They've got
23:02
Speaker 11: balanced budgets to balance this identity politics is not going
23:06
Speaker 11: to turn a single vote. And as we saw in Goldstein,
23:09
Speaker 11: Zoe Daniels was the ideal progressive candidate. She was beaten
23:13
Speaker 11: by Tim Wilson, who's a man. So I think the
23:16
Speaker 11: answer to this is actually improving our policy base.
23:21
Speaker 2: I have to agree with that because I made the
23:22
Speaker 2: point of the top of show the same as you did.
23:24
Speaker 2: That we only won the Liberal Party one seat one only,
23:27
Speaker 2: God help us at the last election, and that was
23:30
Speaker 2: the Melbourne seat of Goldstein. At Goldstein won by a man,
23:33
Speaker 2: Tim Wilson, from a woman, Zoe Daniels. So it says
23:37
Speaker 2: that just putting a female candidate in there is not
23:40
Speaker 2: a silver bullet, and also conversely that a bloke as
23:44
Speaker 2: you candidate is not the handicap that some in the
23:47
Speaker 2: party might like to claim it is.
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Speaker 11: No, it's absolutely not. And I think there's a range
23:53
Speaker 11: of policies.
23:54
Speaker 2: That we could look at that would.
23:55
Speaker 11: Entice female of its, particularly that younger demographic that we
23:59
Speaker 11: so often mist I mean childcare, for example, is very rigid.
24:03
Speaker 11: It's a childcare center based only. There are only three thousand,
24:06
Speaker 11: two hundred spots for in home childcare, which for a
24:09
Speaker 11: lot of women who are nurses or who are working
24:11
Speaker 11: shift work, that's very limiting. Or for women who are
24:14
Speaker 11: wanting to stay home to raise families. Income splitting would
24:16
Speaker 11: also be a very attractive policy to women. But instead
24:20
Speaker 11: of talking about how we can engage women on these
24:24
Speaker 11: policy debates, we're sort of going to quotas and I
24:28
Speaker 11: think that it's not a winning strategy. I think it's
24:31
Speaker 11: just a way to further it'll further democratize the party.
24:36
Speaker 11: The right type.
24:37
Speaker 2: Of woman will get pre selected.
24:38
Speaker 11: If you're someone that believes in quotas therefore identity politics,
24:42
Speaker 11: you're going to have to be a certain type of
24:43
Speaker 11: women to get pre selected if you support this sort
24:46
Speaker 11: of move, and I think it'll be detrimental to the
24:49
Speaker 11: party and brand.
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Speaker 2: I guess you know. The moral objection I have to
24:55
Speaker 2: quotas is I hate to see anybody divided by attributes
24:59
Speaker 2: as opposed to talent. One day it will be a
25:02
Speaker 2: quota based on agenda. Tomorrow it may be indigenity or not.
25:07
Speaker 2: It could be an age based quota. We see that's
25:09
Speaker 2: coming into boards in New South Wales, a certain number
25:11
Speaker 2: of seats reserved for those board members under the age
25:14
Speaker 2: of twenty four. It could be religious space. We know
25:17
Speaker 2: in some countries that you have to be Muslim potentially
25:20
Speaker 2: to have seats in the Parliament. So I think this
25:24
Speaker 2: is it's going to be a very difficult debate for
25:27
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party to have because people are just wanting to,
25:31
Speaker 2: I think, react to the devastating loss rather than look
25:35
Speaker 2: at what is sustainable decisions to turn this around. I
25:39
Speaker 2: think they want to quick fix and they want to
25:42
Speaker 2: be able to move on.
25:46
Speaker 11: But I don't think that's going to work.
25:47
Speaker 2: I mean quotas.
25:48
Speaker 11: The Labor Party have had quotas for a significant number
25:51
Speaker 11: of time. They've just won government after three terms of
25:54
Speaker 11: a Liberal government. Improving your female representation isn't going to
25:59
Speaker 11: necessarily bring in the quality and the caliber of an
26:02
Speaker 11: MP that's going to win government. In fact, at the
26:05
Speaker 11: last federal election, it was a senior Liberal female MP
26:08
Speaker 11: that brought in the devastating work from home policy. This
26:11
Speaker 11: MP also fearmongered about Chinese volunteers in Cuyong that I
26:16
Speaker 11: think had a significant impact in seats like Menzies, Deacon
26:20
Speaker 11: Chisholm and of course Cuong.
26:22
Speaker 6: So.
26:22
Speaker 11: I think that we need to go back to basics,
26:26
Speaker 11: go back to our core brand, core brand policies of
26:30
Speaker 11: economic management, lower taxes, and families will vote liberal. Women
26:35
Speaker 11: will vote liberal because that is how you would you
26:39
Speaker 11: manage the economics of your home and everything else.
26:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll make the pointments before we go. You know,
26:47
Speaker 2: the highest sort of level of female share of the
26:50
Speaker 2: vote so high forties under mister Howard forty five under
26:55
Speaker 2: Tony Abott, and neither of them were considered particularly women
26:58
Speaker 2: friendly because the policy settings were right. When the party
27:02
Speaker 2: went to Malcolm Turnbull in the twenty sixteen election, that
27:06
Speaker 2: share of the female votes as this is women at
27:08
Speaker 2: eighteen to sixty four fell to a very very low
27:11
Speaker 2: thirty five percent and fell even further under scope moreton
27:15
Speaker 2: So I think that amplifies your point. It's the policies
27:18
Speaker 2: stupid that gets the female vote definite. Thank you, thanks
27:22
Speaker 2: for your time. After the break, Jin Chalmers admits our
27:24
Speaker 2: budget is not sustainable, but is that code for spending restraint?
27:28
Speaker 2: Was labor warming us up for more taxes? Lass sues?
27:31
Speaker 2: The Future Fund now beholden to left wing group think
27:40
Speaker 2: welcome back still to come. Greg Sheridan on the latest
27:42
Speaker 2: out of the Middle East. A speculation is rife that
27:45
Speaker 2: the US readies to enter the battle in Tehran. But
27:48
Speaker 2: first the Treasurer today in front of the press club
27:50
Speaker 2: and did at least admit our current budget trajectory is
27:54
Speaker 2: not sustainable.
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Speaker 5: We recognize three blunt truths. Our budget is stronger, but
28:02
Speaker 5: it's not yet sustainable enough. Our economy is growing, but
28:06
Speaker 5: it's not productive.
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Speaker 2: Enough.
28:08
Speaker 5: It is resilient, but it's not resilient enough.
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Speaker 2: Or true. Jim Chalmers then mentioned tax reform.
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Speaker 5: Now, no sensible progress can be made on productivity, resilience
28:22
Speaker 5: or budget sustainability without proper consideration of more tax reform.
28:28
Speaker 5: I don't just accept that.
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Speaker 2: I welcome that, jentlemen now to discuss this in more.
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Speaker 2: Former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Peerl David welcome. I think
28:39
Speaker 2: we're all going to agree that the budget isn't sustainable.
28:41
Speaker 2: But what's the fix here? Because there wasn't much of
28:44
Speaker 2: a fix on the table today at the Press Club.
28:47
Speaker 2: I mean, either it's spending restraint and that's some tough
28:51
Speaker 2: conversations with Australians and taking things off them, or it's
28:55
Speaker 2: increasing our revenue base. Let's call that taxes with we
28:58
Speaker 2: know taxes are in lay DNA. Unless you're going to
29:02
Speaker 2: tell me there's another.
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Speaker 8: Way, thanks for having me on, Peter.
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Speaker 2: There's no other way.
29:08
Speaker 8: Jim Chalmers call today for more action to be taken
29:14
Speaker 8: to make this budget sustainable is a recipe for higher taxation.
29:18
Speaker 8: He's already showed his hand by committing to tax unrealized
29:22
Speaker 8: gains for superannuents and the more he talks about tax reform,
29:27
Speaker 8: I think the more people should be concerned that he's
29:30
Speaker 8: going to broaden out from that and go after investors
29:32
Speaker 8: more generally.
29:35
Speaker 2: So you took this to be a bit of a
29:37
Speaker 2: softening up exercise.
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Speaker 8: I think it is, and I think the Productivity Summit
29:43
Speaker 8: was a hospital passed from the Prime Minister to the Treasurer.
29:46
Speaker 8: To be honest, if you look at the Prime Minister's
29:48
Speaker 8: speech last week, Peter, he talked about a productivity and
29:51
Speaker 8: growth summit. He was setting up the Treasurer to fail.
29:54
Speaker 8: In his speech today, the Treasurer was very careful to
29:59
Speaker 8: backtrack from the hospital pass if you like. He disclaimed
30:03
Speaker 8: any responsibility himself for undermining Australian productivity. He reframed the
30:10
Speaker 8: summit as one about raising more revenue, which is what
30:15
Speaker 8: references to sustainability is. And he also looked at the
30:19
Speaker 8: summit participants in the media towards the end, Peter, and
30:23
Speaker 8: he basically set himself out to blame them if the
30:26
Speaker 8: summit fails. He said to the participants, you have to
30:29
Speaker 8: come up with budget neutral proposals and you have to
30:32
Speaker 8: make the public pace. And he said to the media,
30:36
Speaker 8: don't put me in a corner on ruling things and
30:39
Speaker 8: ruling out. I think it was an ass covering exercise
30:42
Speaker 8: from the Treasure because he got a hospital passed from
30:44
Speaker 8: the Prime Minister last week.
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Speaker 2: Okay, but if we don't lift our productivity and if
30:51
Speaker 2: a government doesn't get out of the way, I mean,
30:53
Speaker 2: there was too much in that speech of government getting
30:55
Speaker 2: in the way, not enough of government saying it's just
30:58
Speaker 2: going to get out of the way of our productive
31:00
Speaker 2: parts of the economy, which is the private sector. If
31:04
Speaker 2: we don't lift down productivity, we're in a hiding to nothing,
31:07
Speaker 2: are we.
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Speaker 8: We're absolutely right. So I think Jim's been coached to
31:13
Speaker 8: say that productivity is the key to higher living standards
31:16
Speaker 8: because previously I think he's given the impression that productivity
31:19
Speaker 8: is a plot to make workers toil for longer. But
31:23
Speaker 8: the progressive Left and Jim Chalmers and the Labor Party
31:26
Speaker 8: and the modern Treasury are captive to that view, believe
31:30
Speaker 8: that productivity requires higher taxes, more welfare, and more government
31:36
Speaker 8: domination of our lives. And the lefts quasi religious obsession
31:42
Speaker 8: with net zero while the rest of the intelligent world
31:46
Speaker 8: is backtracking. Is all you need to know about that
31:48
Speaker 8: they have a complete blind spot on that, and that
31:52
Speaker 8: won't be challenged by anybody at this round table.
31:58
Speaker 2: Right, Let's get to a couple of other questions. While
32:00
Speaker 2: got to Greg Comboy today. He's the chair of the
32:02
Speaker 2: Future Fund. Obviously he's taken the chair on after Peter
32:05
Speaker 2: Costello retired. He says, we're too exposed to US stocks,
32:09
Speaker 2: too volatile in terms of the Trump administration. Is this
32:12
Speaker 2: a sound investment reaction or is it ideological? Do you think.
32:19
Speaker 8: It's ideological? I was appalled by his comments, Peter. At
32:22
Speaker 8: a time when the Prime Minister is desperately trying to
32:25
Speaker 8: get a one on one meeting with President Trump, he
32:28
Speaker 8: has his Future fun boss essentially saying that Trump's election
32:34
Speaker 8: itself delivers a hit to volatility and uncertainty. I think
32:40
Speaker 8: that's not only ideological, I think his extremely ill conceived
32:46
Speaker 8: in his comments, given what the Prime Minister's faced with now.
32:48
Speaker 8: I couldn't believe it when I read those comments.
32:53
Speaker 2: Nope, I don't think they were good comments either. Will
32:54
Speaker 2: leave it there, Thank you, David. After the Great President Trump,
32:57
Speaker 2: bisho's a turn threat to it ran that he knows
33:00
Speaker 2: the exact location, he says of the nation Supreme Leader.
33:03
Speaker 2: Plus hour working from home is taking its told not
33:06
Speaker 2: just on the bottom line of Melbourne's big train operator,
33:09
Speaker 2: but it's costing taxpayers millions. Welcome back having up a
33:18
Speaker 2: warning that the skyrocketing use by business of AI could
33:22
Speaker 2: lead to more climate emissions. Seriously, but first for the
33:26
Speaker 2: latest on growing hostilities in the Middle East, to the
33:28
Speaker 2: possibility of US entry into the conflict. Ender, of course,
33:32
Speaker 2: I don't want to get off again. Meet him between
33:33
Speaker 2: the US President and our Prime minister. I'm joined now
33:36
Speaker 2: by the foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan. Greg,
33:39
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. I want to start tonight
33:41
Speaker 2: in the Middle East with Donald Trump. As we know
33:44
Speaker 2: he is back in the White House. We've seen imagery
33:46
Speaker 2: of him in and around the situation room. He's caught
33:49
Speaker 2: on an I run to issue an unconditional surrender. He's
33:52
Speaker 2: gone on to social media and says, look, we know
33:54
Speaker 2: where the eye are. Toller Is, You're an easy target.
33:57
Speaker 2: Give it up. From what I've read on open sources,
34:01
Speaker 2: the Iranians are already moving to ensure that if the
34:03
Speaker 2: aotola has removed, there's been enough spread of power amongst
34:08
Speaker 2: the guard that they can keep up the attacks on Israel.
34:11
Speaker 2: So how serious do you see this threat from Donald Trump?
34:16
Speaker 12: Look, I think it would be very foolish to kill
34:19
Speaker 12: the Ayatollah. That would just make him a martyr of
34:22
Speaker 12: Islam for all time. I think that's quite stupid and
34:27
Speaker 12: very strange remarks from Trump, as so many remarks of
34:30
Speaker 12: Trump's are. And you know, you didn't even talk about
34:34
Speaker 12: that in World War Two, killing the opposition's head of government.
34:39
Speaker 12: But the more important stuff is that Trump is plainly
34:43
Speaker 12: moving all the logistics into place to join Israel in
34:47
Speaker 12: the battle if he wants to. That doesn't mean the
34:50
Speaker 12: decision is made, because Trump has never decided to do
34:53
Speaker 12: something until it happens. The key thing is that Israel,
35:00
Speaker 12: either with the US or alone, needs to destroy all
35:04
Speaker 12: or almost all of Iran's nuclear program. Now, everybody says
35:09
Speaker 12: that Israel can't get the four dough nuclear facility because
35:14
Speaker 12: it's sixty or eighty meters underground on the side of
35:17
Speaker 12: a mountain without American bunker busters, this huge thirty thousand
35:23
Speaker 12: pound bomb, and only American planes can carry it. So
35:27
Speaker 12: I think there's a very strong case that Trump should
35:30
Speaker 12: engage at least in that one mission with the Israelis.
35:34
Speaker 12: Whether he would engage in a broader mission is very unclear,
35:38
Speaker 12: and this might still all, you know, be reversed right
35:43
Speaker 12: at the last minute.
35:44
Speaker 2: He might.
35:44
Speaker 12: You know, if the Uranians are a bit smarter than
35:47
Speaker 12: they are, they should just agree to give up all
35:49
Speaker 12: their nuclear weapons and then not do it. All their
35:52
Speaker 12: nuclear programs rather and then just not do it. I
35:54
Speaker 12: saw North Korea do that about twelve times on the
35:57
Speaker 12: road to nuclear weapons. Because it's very hard for democracies
36:01
Speaker 12: like Israel and the United States to get to this
36:04
Speaker 12: state of warfare.
36:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, because we in the West
36:11
Speaker 2: can't get to the point where we are now, where
36:14
Speaker 2: we're inside of taking out these nuclear facilities. And let's
36:18
Speaker 2: put to one side that they might say we'll give
36:20
Speaker 2: it up, but if they don't, we can't get to
36:23
Speaker 2: this point and then somehow walk away and only then
36:27
Speaker 2: wait for a few more months to things all start
36:30
Speaker 2: up again, and we have this debate about taking out
36:33
Speaker 2: the nuclear capability of Iran. I mean, I think we're
36:35
Speaker 2: past that now, aren't we.
36:38
Speaker 12: Well, I think so. I think Israel will continue this
36:42
Speaker 12: operation until it feels that it has done everything it
36:45
Speaker 12: can to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities and its ballistic missile
36:50
Speaker 12: capabilities and much of its military capabilities. Generally, the question
36:56
Speaker 12: is whether they can do it without the United States.
37:00
Speaker 12: Dates Trump seems to be on the very brink of
37:02
Speaker 12: doing it again, you know, without being a bore about
37:05
Speaker 12: this North Korean parallel. Bill Clinton, of all people, was
37:10
Speaker 12: on the brink of taking military action against North Korea
37:13
Speaker 12: before they had nuclear weapons, and Jimmy Carter went to
37:17
Speaker 12: Pyongyang on an unscheduled, unapproved visit and sort of killed
37:22
Speaker 12: the moment. As a result, Clinton didn't take action, and
37:25
Speaker 12: as a result, North Korea now has dozens and dozens
37:28
Speaker 12: of nuclear weapons and we'll soon have missiles which can
37:31
Speaker 12: reach the United States. So I agree with you, Peter.
37:34
Speaker 12: I think Israel will just go ahead until, you know,
37:38
Speaker 12: until the mission is completed. But they could do the
37:40
Speaker 12: mission much more effectively if the Americans do it with them,
37:44
Speaker 12: and it would have much greater legitimacy then, and it
37:47
Speaker 12: would be harder for anyone to describe this as a
37:50
Speaker 12: pariah action. Even our own lame, lame, lame government is
37:55
Speaker 12: kind of falling in behind behind Israel on this, largely
37:59
Speaker 12: because of the Americans.
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Speaker 2: I think, well, it feels pretty reluctant today. I mean, yes,
38:05
Speaker 2: there's been some tougher comments from Penny Wong, but I
38:09
Speaker 2: mean she was just urging restraint for a number of days.
38:11
Speaker 2: And I look around the world or what other leaders
38:14
Speaker 2: are saying, and you know, I've got something on the
38:16
Speaker 2: screen to come up. In relation to the German Chancellor.
38:18
Speaker 2: I mean, he is making the point. You and I
38:20
Speaker 2: would get this. Australians watching tonight would get this. But
38:24
Speaker 2: he says that this is dirty work that Israeli is
38:27
Speaker 2: doing is for all of us. I mean we're not
38:30
Speaker 2: hearing enough of that from the Australians. Whatever. The word
38:32
Speaker 2: Israel is mixed up. Even in this case with Donald Trump,
38:36
Speaker 2: Israel is still seen to be doing something that is
38:40
Speaker 2: on the edges or outside international law. But I mean
38:44
Speaker 2: I see this as a just war for humanity.
38:50
Speaker 7: Yeah.
38:50
Speaker 12: So I think the Alberzi government Rderick has been a
38:55
Speaker 12: little stronger than usual. I'd agree with you, it's still
38:58
Speaker 12: too weak, all in pursuit of this kind of pathetic
39:02
Speaker 12: effort of Alberanzi to get an appointment with Trump, which
39:05
Speaker 12: he hasn't been able to do so. Richard Marles for
39:07
Speaker 12: the first time ever said if the Americans go to
39:10
Speaker 12: war with China, Australia will be there with America. Well,
39:13
Speaker 12: blow me down. Where did that come from? He sounds
39:16
Speaker 12: just like Peter Dutton. That's amazing. So what an amazing coincident.
39:20
Speaker 12: This is a couple of days before his boss, Albanesi
39:23
Speaker 12: hopes to get an appointment with Trump and Penny Wong.
39:26
Speaker 12: All of a sudden, yeah, she is urging de escalation,
39:30
Speaker 12: but all of a sudden, she's saying the Iranian nuclear
39:33
Speaker 12: program is a terrible threat in Israel has a right
39:35
Speaker 12: to defend itself and all the rest of it. But
39:39
Speaker 12: this has been a kind of a Keystone Cops foreign
39:42
Speaker 12: trip by Albanesi. I enjoyed your earlier discussion, but I
39:45
Speaker 12: truly hope he goes to NATO because, apart from anything else,
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Speaker 12: if he shows up at NATO, everyone at NATO is
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Speaker 12: pledging to spend three point five percent of GDP on defense,
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Speaker 12: and if he's there saying, we're the greatest ally the
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Speaker 12: Americans have ever had, and we're a major partner of
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Speaker 12: NATO and so forth. But by the way, we're not
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Speaker 12: going to meet the NATO standard of defense spending for
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Speaker 12: any American ally. And meanwhile, he still has no agenda
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Speaker 12: with Trump. He's just going there to whine about tariffs
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Speaker 12: and beg Trump to promise that he'll give him orcust
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Speaker 12: subs long after Trump has gone from office. I mean,
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Speaker 12: there's decisions about the ORCT subs doesn't happen until a
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Speaker 12: long time after Trump has gone. So I hope for
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Speaker 12: our national good that Albaneze goes there, because he may
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Speaker 12: well be shamed into good policy having exhausted all the
40:34
Speaker 12: other alternatives.
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Speaker 2: A point very well made, Rick Shan. That is very
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Speaker 2: very good. A bit of a public hectoring might help
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Speaker 2: him along the way to get to that three percent.
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Speaker 2: We'll see. Thank you, Greg Arthur Braton. Just when you
40:48
Speaker 2: thought the campaign is from get up, had given up,
40:50
Speaker 2: gone home, they're back. Plus the Queensland government that struck
40:54
Speaker 2: a deal to keep a coal company afloat all of
40:57
Speaker 2: the name though of zero. Welcome back. Now to the
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Speaker 2: warning that's been issued to companies using artificial intelligence and
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Speaker 2: super funds with big tech investments. Wait for it, the toll.
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Speaker 2: We need AI. We need it to increase productivity, but
41:17
Speaker 2: watch out, it'll increase your emissions and the enormous amounts
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Speaker 2: of energy required to power AI could be a time
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Speaker 2: bomb for your corporate sustainability strategy. To discuss this in
41:28
Speaker 2: more mopanel Age Chief Executive Gerald Holland an LPMP Phil Thompson, gents, welcome.
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Speaker 2: I tell you what you know. It's going to be
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Speaker 2: a big issue for these poor old corporates. Climate productivity,
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Speaker 2: AI and emissions perfect storm. Jared Peter.
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Speaker 4: It's so frustrating in a nation where just about every
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Speaker 4: industry is going backwards at the moment, there could seriously
41:53
Speaker 4: be a growth opportunity in embracing AI and embracing these
41:56
Speaker 4: data centers, and now the Australian Institute is coming out
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Speaker 4: and telling us that we can't have them because of emissions.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the truth is businesses are not going to
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Speaker 4: turn away from these kinds of productivity tools if it
42:06
Speaker 4: means that they're going to be able to do better.
42:08
Speaker 4: I mean, we've already had sixteen thousand business insolvencies in
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Speaker 4: the last two years alone, so if we aren't doing
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Speaker 4: it here, it means that business is going to go overseas.
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Speaker 4: And what the Australia Institute does point out is this
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Speaker 4: is a really energy intensive business. The software that we
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Speaker 4: see on our screens, we take for granted, is produced
42:25
Speaker 4: by a lot of hardware behind the scenes, and that
42:27
Speaker 4: requires energy, more energy by twenty thirty than the entire
42:30
Speaker 4: Japanese economy just to power these data centers. I think
42:34
Speaker 4: in the US they're petrochemicals, their steel, their cement, all
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Speaker 4: of those energy intensive industries combined will be less than
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Speaker 4: their data center electricity requirements. So Australia can embrace this
42:46
Speaker 4: or we can let it pass us by because of
42:48
Speaker 4: our ideological fixation on these renewable targets.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's going to force the conversation Joe, that
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Speaker 2: we need to go to nuclear. There is no other
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Speaker 2: way if we want these data centers in austray if
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Speaker 2: we want to keep up with the rest of the world,
43:02
Speaker 2: we have to have an adult conversation about nuclear. And
43:04
Speaker 2: they just don't want that conversation. So they're now saying
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Speaker 2: we can't have it in Australia because of emissions. That's
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Speaker 2: the problem, and nuclear's emissions free as we know. Hey,
43:13
Speaker 2: I thought there was a stake through the heart. Phil
43:15
Speaker 2: Thompson of get Up. I thought they'd gone for all
43:18
Speaker 2: money that they disbanded and morphed into the teals. But
43:22
Speaker 2: now that Labour's got this big parliamentary majority, they're out
43:25
Speaker 2: there trying to push them well beyond any mandate they
43:28
Speaker 2: might have taken in terms of policies to the election.
43:31
Speaker 2: They've got ads in all the papers. They're saying your
43:33
Speaker 2: mob's out for the next two terms at least, and
43:36
Speaker 2: that the Albanezer government should go for broke and push
43:40
Speaker 2: on with some really radical change.
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm here to win the next election. I'm not
43:49
Speaker 10: heady to sit in the passenger seat and let get
43:53
Speaker 10: Up or any other fringe group dictate what the coalition
43:55
Speaker 10: should or shouldn't do. I think that get Up is
43:59
Speaker 10: about fiding the country. It's not about bringing us together.
44:02
Speaker 10: They're putting ads out. I thought they went away as well,
44:04
Speaker 10: but now they're back. They want to pull the Labor
44:07
Speaker 10: Prime Minister further to the extremes of the left and
44:10
Speaker 10: demand that he does this. And to be honest, his
44:13
Speaker 10: parliament looks like it will drive further to the left.
44:16
Speaker 10: And you know, when you lose, and you lose well,
44:18
Speaker 10: which we did. All these fringe groups come out of
44:21
Speaker 10: the wouldwork because they see a payday and they see
44:23
Speaker 10: a time to divide a country, because that's what they're about,
44:27
Speaker 10: their divisive organization.
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Speaker 2: It's in their mandate.
44:31
Speaker 10: But us as the coalition, we need to have sensible
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Speaker 10: policy to be an alternative government, and we'll fight back.
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Speaker 2: Spot on, Phil, Let's go to Melbourne because this was
44:42
Speaker 2: really interesting today. Metro Trains. This is the train network
44:45
Speaker 2: that was privatized in Victoria. It's just had a payday
44:49
Speaker 2: of five hundred million dollars from taxpayers because in their contracts,
44:54
Speaker 2: if passenger revenue drops, the poor old taxpayers on the
44:57
Speaker 2: hook to pay them out. The government's been here, Jared,
45:01
Speaker 2: was that they're still not able to cope or recover
45:04
Speaker 2: from COVID hitting transport flows. But we're five years on
45:08
Speaker 2: from COVID. This is because Victoria and elsewhere is still
45:13
Speaker 2: locked into work from home. So if we are not
45:16
Speaker 2: going to change work from home and most of the
45:18
Speaker 2: public service in Victoria work from home, then the poor
45:22
Speaker 2: old taxpayer we'll be paying out these foreign own private
45:26
Speaker 2: transport companies forever in the day.
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Speaker 4: Peter, that's right, there is something really fishy about this story. So,
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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, the government's committed to underwriting five hundred
45:39
Speaker 4: million over the next four years because footfall is so
45:42
Speaker 4: much lower. But these contracts came up for a newal
45:45
Speaker 4: last year, four years out from the COVID pandemic, when
45:47
Speaker 4: we're already experiencing this massive drop in traffic, and yet
45:51
Speaker 4: this Chinese, Chinese majority owned company was resigned for another
45:56
Speaker 4: couple of years. And so if you sort of lay
45:58
Speaker 4: it out, you've got Victoria tax pays across the state
46:01
Speaker 4: and now paying five hundred million dollars to a Chinese
46:03
Speaker 4: own company for trains in Melbourne that aren't carrying the
46:06
Speaker 4: passengers that they're contracted to carry. It's just it doesn't
46:10
Speaker 4: pass the sniff test. Victoria's heading for two hundred billion
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Speaker 4: dollars in debt in the next five or six years,
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Speaker 4: and I can't see how people continue to wear this.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: It's not much better in Queensland, phil because there's reluctantly
46:25
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten million dollars being paid by the
46:27
Speaker 2: Chrystal Foley government. They've inherited a mess up there. In
46:30
Speaker 2: relation to your big power station, Collide power station, there's
46:35
Speaker 2: a coal company that has to be subsidized, so it
46:38
Speaker 2: keeps digging up the coal that can feed the power
46:40
Speaker 2: station to keep the lights on because of all the
46:44
Speaker 2: next zero madness that have made the grid unstable.
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Speaker 10: Farmers supplied the food truckes deliveratey or the resource sector
46:55
Speaker 10: keeps the lights on. And what we've seen from the
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Speaker 10: previous Labor State government is a complete abandonment of the
47:02
Speaker 10: resource sector. Their federal national colleague under the Labor Prome
47:07
Speaker 10: Minister now abandoning the resource sector. Well, in Queensland, seventy
47:11
Speaker 10: five percent of our power is generated by coal and
47:16
Speaker 10: the Coalition is energy agnostic. We must look at all
47:20
Speaker 10: types of energy to keep the power prices down. Now
47:23
Speaker 10: to have this organization to receive this funding is because
47:28
Speaker 10: of failed national policies that have ramped up production costs
47:32
Speaker 10: and also low cost on coal. But it's because there
47:35
Speaker 10: hasn't been a focal point on making sure that these
47:38
Speaker 10: coal fire power stations stay online. People are doing it tough.
47:41
Speaker 10: People can't afford to go to the movies to go out,
47:45
Speaker 10: people that are working go to food pantries. They're doing
47:48
Speaker 10: it tough, and we're going to see an increase in
47:51
Speaker 10: power prices because people want to race to the bottom
47:54
Speaker 10: to shut down coal fire power stations. So I can
47:56
Speaker 10: tell you now that's not going to work, and it's
47:57
Speaker 10: only going to put power prices up.
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Speaker 2: Gil. Just before we go, because I know you're hot
48:03
Speaker 2: to trot on law and order. In Victoria, they've just
48:05
Speaker 2: announced a policy by the Libs that prisoners moved around
48:10
Speaker 2: a prison will now be handcuffed if they're proven to
48:13
Speaker 2: have assaulted guards before. You know, some four hundred assaults
48:17
Speaker 2: happened last year. What shocks me is this doesn't happen already.
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Speaker 10: Violent criminals should be handcuffed the day one they go
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Speaker 10: into prison, before they and when they get transported around.
48:31
Speaker 10: Correctional staff should feel safe and should be protected. Violent
48:35
Speaker 10: criminals should be restrained, whether they're in there or previously
48:40
Speaker 10: or when they get in as a violent criminal, because
48:43
Speaker 10: they're in there, because they're not safe to be out
48:45
Speaker 10: on our streets and their rights and liberty has been
48:47
Speaker 10: taken away from them. Keep them handcuffed, make sure our
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Speaker 10: people stay safe.
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Speaker 2: Spot on gott to leave it there, gents, Thanks very much,
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Speaker 2: see you order to borrow night. He's Andrew