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'Screaming Banshee' Suffolk Law Grad, Stinks of Liquor, Mows Down Victim, Calls Cop 'F***ing Idiot' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: So called Screaming Banshee is a female Suffolk law grad
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  Speaker 2: who stinks oo of liquor, then mows down a victim dead,
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  Speaker 2: and then calls the cop an effing idiot. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Daniel O'Neill of, a loved realtor for Massachusetts, is also
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  Speaker 3: a self proclaimed foodie and moped enthusiast.
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  Speaker 4: However, his life takes a tragic turn one feeful.
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  Speaker 3: Night on the MIT campus.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that that's really correct.
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  Speaker 2: His life takes a tragic turn light He had something
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  Speaker 2: to do with it. This guy is beloved and he
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  Speaker 2: belongs to a little moped group out mopeading around the
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  Speaker 2: city when he meets his death, in other words, when
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  Speaker 2: he meets the defendant Lauren Moans. Let me be the
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  Speaker 2: one to introduce you to the so called Screaming Bansheet.
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  Speaker 2: You'll see why.
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  Speaker 5: Like to dreams.
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  Speaker 6: It can smell on your breath.
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  Speaker 1: You can't smell somebody's breath. You're what's your name? My name?
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  Speaker 1: My name is Lauren. Your name is I have a
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  Speaker 1: degree and I will destroy you.
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  Speaker 6: Listen, you saw me.
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  Speaker 7: On the streets.
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  Speaker 8: Why are you running on the streets right now?
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  Speaker 5: Right now?
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  Speaker 9: You have annoyed because all you guys wearing strong like cologne.
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  Speaker 2: Can I get that into evidence as a statement? It
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  Speaker 2: was certainly voluntary, which is a requirement under the law
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  Speaker 2: if the person doesn't have their Miranda rights.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, whoa wait man? Who is this woman?
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  Speaker 4: While Mullen seems to be a brilliant student, accepting several
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  Speaker 4: internships with the Massachusetts House of Representatives, the thirty two
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  Speaker 4: year old has a history of alcohol related arrest the
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  Speaker 4: two most recent of the crash earning her the nickname
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  Speaker 4: Screaming Banshee. Mullens has a rap sheet dating all the
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  Speaker 4: way back to twenty fourteen, with seven arrests in the
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  Speaker 4: last three years, the charges ranging from disorderly conduct to
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  Speaker 4: aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to crime stories investigative reporter of Sydney Center,
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  Speaker 2: why are you calling her brilliant?
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  Speaker 10: Well, Nancy can't be verified by her grades, but Lauren
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  Speaker 10: Mullens has an extremely high end education. She's grown up
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  Speaker 10: going to this prestigious boarding school. Now she's at Boston
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  Speaker 10: University and then Suffolk College of law. She's graduated from
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  Speaker 10: each of these with flying colors. She's been involved in
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  Speaker 10: all of these societies for it.
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  Speaker 11: Just stop.
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  Speaker 1: Stop.
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  Speaker 2: You just said you don't have her grades, but you
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  Speaker 2: said flying colors smart to.
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  Speaker 1: Get in law school. You don't have any idiots were
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  Speaker 1: in law school with me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are they talking about? They didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what they were talking about.
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  Speaker 1: They somehow massed to Eeke and to law school.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you're saying she's brilliant because she got some internships
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  Speaker 2: at the Massachusetts House of Representatives. They were probably her
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  Speaker 2: drinking buddy, Sydney. But that said, I think I know
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  Speaker 2: somebody that agrees with you. Sidney Sumner was.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy smarter than all you combined. I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: Agreement's gonna be upset.
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  Speaker 6: Rhymes.
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  Speaker 10: Get your sands off me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I've got so much to show you, but
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to see that one more time in
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  Speaker 2: case you don't know. It means. It means I'm smarter
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  Speaker 2: than all you combined. I have a lodge great whoa.
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  Speaker 2: I got to hear that again.
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  Speaker 4: Brodie was crazy smart than all you combined.
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  Speaker 6: I have a lot agree.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be upset to day your fands off me. Yes, Sydney,
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  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying now, brilliant, brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: You're the one that said that, you're the one brilliant,
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  Speaker 2: brilliant student accepting several internships with the Massachusetts South of Rips.
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  Speaker 1: You got anything else for me, Sydney? Did you hear her.
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  Speaker 6: By value?
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear that?
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  Speaker 10: Well? Nancy is clearly not evidenced by her behavior. It's
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  Speaker 10: nuts that this woman goes from being this day to
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  Speaker 10: day student, she just passed her bar, she's studying all
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  Speaker 10: the time, working herself, putting herself through school, to this
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  Speaker 10: to this whole horrible behavior screaming at crops. You are
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  Speaker 10: just trying to help her.
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  Speaker 2: As much as I'd love to keep listening and watching
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  Speaker 2: Lauren Mullins, the brilliant law student, Sidney Summer keeps talking
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  Speaker 2: about who worked your way through school at a as
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  Speaker 2: a bartender, I'm sure that didn't help anything. I noticed
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  Speaker 2: that no one has mentioned the victim. What about him,
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  Speaker 2: the dead victim?
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 5: It's unbelievable really that this happened to him and he
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  Speaker 5: was just a great guy, I mean, a great friend,
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  Speaker 5: you know, he just he just didn't deserve that.
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  Speaker 9: Has since learned at the beginning of this week that
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  Speaker 9: on Sunday mister and Neils to come to his injuries
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  Speaker 9: as a result of the crash.
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  Speaker 10: At the hands of the defendant.
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  Speaker 9: At this point, the Commonwealth is investigating this seat down,
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  Speaker 9: no longer dresses and operating under the influence with serious
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  Speaker 9: bottle injury. But also now that there's been a homicide,
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  Speaker 9: the defendant is facing much more serious charges out of
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  Speaker 9: the Superior Court with much more serious penelties.
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  Speaker 2: The first lady you heard speaking about the dead victim
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  Speaker 2: mode down mining his own business, didn't even know what
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  Speaker 2: hit him, was from our friends at WHDH that victim
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  Speaker 2: named Daniel O'Neill.
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  Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go out on a limb, even though
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  Speaker 2: you called Mullins brilliant and ask you, what can you
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  Speaker 2: tell me about the victim. Wasn't he part of a
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  Speaker 2: He's a senior, I know that, and he had a
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  Speaker 2: lot of hobbies and one thing he loved was that
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  Speaker 2: he was part of this little group, a little moped group,
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  Speaker 2: and they would drive their mopeds around the city of
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  Speaker 2: Boston and get together or have lunches and dinners and
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  Speaker 2: that's what he was doing that night. Said, what else
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  Speaker 2: can you tell me about Daniel Nancy?
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  Speaker 10: Well, what we know about Daniel is that he doesn't
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  Speaker 10: have any children of his own, but he has nine
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  Speaker 10: siblings who all have their own children, and he's extremely
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  Speaker 10: close with his many nieces and nephews. And yes, Daniel
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  Speaker 10: lived in Boston for a lot of his life. He
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  Speaker 10: moved there after graduating from college in Indiana, and he
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  Speaker 10: was an extremely successful realtor in that area. Outside of work,
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  Speaker 10: Daniel loved to travel and he loved to collect art
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  Speaker 10: and try food. His family calls him a fouti. And yes,
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  Speaker 10: this moped group was even mentioned in his obituary. This
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  Speaker 10: is something that he committed a lot of time to
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  Speaker 10: and made really great friends and memories from.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me is an all star panel to make sense
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  Speaker 2: of what we're learning right now. But I want to
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  Speaker 2: go out to longtime colleague and friend, defense attorney.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of his.
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  Speaker 2: Expertise, Jason Ocean, renowned New York defense attorney, also practices
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  Speaker 2: in multiple jurisdictions. You know, Jason, do you know who
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  Speaker 2: Daniel reminds me of? The Twins' math tutor? Really miss Williams. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Miss Williams had children. They're all grown up and living
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  Speaker 2: in different areas of the country, but they love going
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  Speaker 2: to Miss Williams. And I got to the point, Jason
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  Speaker 2: that I described to you at some point you've got
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  Speaker 2: children and grown now. I got tired of hiding in
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  Speaker 2: the closet googling the math answers, so I had to
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  Speaker 2: get a pro And it's Miss Williams. And do you know, Jason,
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  Speaker 2: that when we have a good supper, they go, let's
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  Speaker 2: take son to Miss Williams tonight. They love Miss Williams.
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  Speaker 2: She's like an auntie or a grandma to them.
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  Speaker 1: They love her. I mean deeply, deeply.
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  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of their grandparents have passed on
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  Speaker 2: and they've latched on to Miss Williams. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: way Daniel is with all of.
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  Speaker 1: His nieces and nephews. They absolutely love him.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, I know it's Daniel O'Neill, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: thinking about Miss Willilliams out on her moped with her
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  Speaker 2: little moped group getting mowed down by this POC technical
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  Speaker 2: legal term.
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  Speaker 1: It's just what are you going to do with this
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  Speaker 1: in court?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah?
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  Speaker 11: This Nancy, you and I both know that many, many cases,
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  Speaker 11: most of them do get get sorted out in some ways.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, you know, I hate it when you
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  Speaker 2: say you know. First of all, you know, don't tell
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  Speaker 2: me what I know, okay, because I know she should
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  Speaker 2: get a life sentence instead of her having her liquor stinking.
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  Speaker 1: Self out on bond. Right now, That's what I know.
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  Speaker 1: Why somebody for her bond, but.
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  Speaker 11: That she presumption is bond and the ability to return
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  Speaker 11: to court. It's not prejudicial as to whether or not
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  Speaker 11: the crime is committed or you know, we understand that
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  Speaker 11: what bond works. But nonetheless she doesn't present well. Those
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  Speaker 11: videos of her and and previous encounters with the law
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  Speaker 11: certainly prejudicial.
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  Speaker 1: Previous fuss why you just tell it like it is.
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  Speaker 11: She's been busted, he has a criminal history. But you
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  Speaker 11: and I both know prosecutor and defense that cases get
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  Speaker 11: worked out.
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  Speaker 4: This case calls out.
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  Speaker 11: For some sort of uh sense worked out in advance.
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  Speaker 11: As a defense attorney, I don't know that I want
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  Speaker 11: to risk her go on a trial. As you describe
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  Speaker 11: the victims, certainly so valued a member of his family,
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  Speaker 11: even though without children. You know, those things play hard
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  Speaker 11: in a jury's mind as you know, and I would say,
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  Speaker 11: it's a case that I try to work out with
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  Speaker 11: the District attorney's office. She's going to face jail time,
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  Speaker 11: that's for sure.
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  Speaker 1: A I can oh.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the great late Alexander Pope wrote a little knowledge.
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  Speaker 1: Is a dangerous thing, and boy say that again.
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  Speaker 2: She'll throw out a couple of legal phrases every once
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  Speaker 2: in a while and let me debunk or debrief you on.
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  Speaker 2: When Jason Ocean said that's why he wins so many cases,
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  Speaker 2: he said, she's had several previous encounters with law enforcement. Translation,
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  Speaker 2: she's been busted a lot in the past. Then he goes,
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  Speaker 2: this is the case it screams to be worked out.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, he wants a cheap plea.
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  Speaker 1: I can see him coming.
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  Speaker 2: I could see you, Jason Oceans, when I was practicing law.
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  Speaker 2: I could see one of the let's just say silk
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  Speaker 2: stocking lawyers, which means the on a three thousand dollars
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  Speaker 2: r money suit and the literally silk socks coming down
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  Speaker 2: the hall with their designer briefcase with adul shine to it,
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  Speaker 2: not too shiny, but just the right amount of shining,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not classless, but just barely gleaming, and they
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  Speaker 2: would want to quote work it out. Okay, And no, guys,
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  Speaker 2: we are talking about a woman, a law grad at
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  Speaker 2: prestigious Suffolk University. I'm sure they're proud tonight has everything
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  Speaker 2: at her disposal, everything the future in front of her.
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  Speaker 1: But and listen to her.
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  Speaker 9: Like two dreams, and they were like, you can't go
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  Speaker 9: outside with that, like a little you need to get
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  Speaker 9: uber A cow officer were unable to conduct a standardized
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  Speaker 9: fields the brit cost away. It should also be noted
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  Speaker 9: that officers were unable to conduct a standardized field sobriety
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  Speaker 9: test due to the defense for literate nature and behavior.
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  Speaker 9: But they did not that she had blurred speech and
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  Speaker 9: that she was extremely unsteady on her feet, and she
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  Speaker 9: was belligerent throughout the entire arrest process.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me In addition to Sidney Sumner, who calls the
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  Speaker 2: defendant brilliant and Jayson notions veteran trial lawyer and multiple jurisdictions,
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  Speaker 2: Dan Murphy is joining me for a reason. Former NYPD
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  Speaker 2: detective sergeant, Joint Terrorism Test Force, former chief security officer,
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  Speaker 2: US Bank, co host of gold Shields, author of workplace Safety. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I can go on and on, but Dan Murphy, enough
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  Speaker 2: about your resume? Can I just want you to hear
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  Speaker 2: something you heard the prosecutor stand up in court and.
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  Speaker 1: This, this is, this hurts. She says.
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  Speaker 2: The officers were unable to do a field sobriety test.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I want.
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  Speaker 2: That field sobriety test so I can then show it
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  Speaker 2: and describe it to a jury.
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  Speaker 1: But wait for it, Dan Murphy, I wonder.
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  Speaker 2: Why they couldn't do a sobriety Listen, I want a lawyer.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not talking to you.
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  Speaker 10: I am not talking to you, absolutely none lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: About I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can your monitor, Dan, But
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  Speaker 2: there the cops are like standing back watching her like
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  Speaker 2: spew like she's mount vesuvious.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, one more thing, listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: Listen awesome, I'm such a horn suspeg.
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  Speaker 6: I am so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's the things. You guys are a train
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  Speaker 1: and YPD.
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  Speaker 8: And if you guys are scared of one hundred and
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  Speaker 8: twenty five pound woman, yeah better.
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  Speaker 6: You're a whole book, Laura.
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  Speaker 1: You know where you are yet?
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, I know where I am.
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  Speaker 1: So I just said, yeah, shut the up. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So she's screaming, I want a lawyer. She refused to
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  Speaker 2: take a breathalyzer. She's screaming, don't touch me. That's an assault.
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  Speaker 2: I will sue you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm smarter than all of you. I'm a law grat. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what.
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  Speaker 2: I would just put her and her bony rear end
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  Speaker 2: into that cruiser and send her straight to the can.
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  Speaker 1: That's where she needs to be.
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  Speaker 2: They could do a BAC there, they could take her
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  Speaker 2: blood there, have fun with that.
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  Speaker 12: That's right, that's right. She's refusing to cooperate with any
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  Speaker 12: of the procedural norms that take place when someone's arrested
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  Speaker 12: for EUI. At that moment she gets brought in, he's
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  Speaker 12: brought to the hospital first, because you always want to
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  Speaker 12: make sure she's not in danger of alcohol poisoning with
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  Speaker 12: someone who's this intoxicated, Fendy, and then blood's gonna get
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  Speaker 12: she wants to or that's for the courts, and the
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  Speaker 12: blood will be the evidence against the plus this, I mean,
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  Speaker 12: this willlone.
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  Speaker 2: Wait wait a minute, Dan, you mean I can't prove
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  Speaker 2: this case by just rolling the body cam out.
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  Speaker 12: Oh yeah you can, but you can, absolutely, Yeah, But
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  Speaker 12: there's always going to be some kind of defense that
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  Speaker 12: she was on a medication that did this. But anybody
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  Speaker 12: with the brain is going to look at this and
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  Speaker 12: say she's smashed.
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  Speaker 3: The MIT campus becomes the site of a harrowing accident
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  Speaker 3: when Daniel O'Neill, while waiting at a red light on
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  Speaker 3: his mopead, is struck by a speeding vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, that's the problem. It was not an accident.
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  Speaker 2: It was a crash caused by the defendant's inebriation.
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  Speaker 1: Drunk.
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  Speaker 2: She smelled like liquor a mile away, and yet she
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  Speaker 2: told the cops they stump of cologne.
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  Speaker 1: I would have put her in cuffs right the end.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me, special guest, Kimberly Cockrel victim services manager, Mad
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  Speaker 2: Mothers against drunk driving. Kimberly, this was not an accident.
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  Speaker 2: I hate when people say it was an accident. It
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  Speaker 2: was her decision to drink, drink, drink, drink, drink, one
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  Speaker 2: drink after the next, get her car, keys, get into
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  Speaker 2: her car, crank it up, reverse it, put it in drive,
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  Speaker 2: and hit the street.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy, this beloved senior in.
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  Speaker 2: His little moped group, was at a red light.
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  Speaker 8: He was basically a fixed on This is not an accident.
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  Speaker 8: These are never accidents, Nancy. These are crashes, They are collisions.
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  Speaker 8: These are things that happened because people make choices. Daniel
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  Speaker 8: made a choice that night.
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  Speaker 10: He made a.
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  Speaker 8: Choice to go out on his mopad, which is something
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  Speaker 8: he normally does, and he broke no laws. He was
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  Speaker 8: just going to do something he normally does. Unfortunately, it
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  Speaker 8: looks like this woman was doing exactly what she normally
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  Speaker 8: does as well. She was out, she was intoxicated, she
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  Speaker 8: was under the influence, and she was behind the wheel
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  Speaker 8: of a car. She never should have been behind the
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  Speaker 8: wheel of that car. You are correct. This is a
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  Speaker 8: crash and it ended this man's life too.
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  Speaker 2: Jason Ocean is joining me veteran trial lawyer in this
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  Speaker 2: jurisdiction and many others. This is one of his specialties.
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  Speaker 2: Jason Ocean's just we go back a long way, So
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  Speaker 2: take off your defense hat just for a moment. Have
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  Speaker 2: you noticed that when a victim is killed by a
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  Speaker 2: drunk driver, somehow that's treated differently in court than if, say,
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  Speaker 2: the defendant took out a knife and stabbed them in
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  Speaker 2: the gut and they bled out on the.
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  Speaker 1: Sidewalk, But the victim is still dead.
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  Speaker 2: All of the family is still mourning, the friends in shock.
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  Speaker 2: He was at a red light, completely still stopped when
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  Speaker 2: his life.
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  Speaker 1: Ended, just like that.
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  Speaker 2: But it's true there are certain cases, and I don't
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  Speaker 2: understand the differentiation, that are treated as less severe and
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  Speaker 2: vehicular homicide is one duy homicide. Very often when the
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  Speaker 2: victim is an infant, you see a man slaughter.
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  Speaker 1: What the baby.
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  Speaker 2: Crying just drove the dad crazy, so we had to
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  Speaker 2: kill it. No, No, this is one of those Why
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  Speaker 2: is that, Jason?
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  Speaker 11: You don't an It's a really good societal question that
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  Speaker 11: you and I think we look at these things, especially
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  Speaker 11: involving a vehicle vehicular homicide recent tragedy in New York
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  Speaker 11: over the weekend with two children killed in a driver
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  Speaker 11: going fifty in a twenty five but not facing murder
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  Speaker 11: or you know, stronger chargers as a result of the
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  Speaker 11: egregiousness and the history of bad driving here the same thing.
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  Speaker 11: We don't societally have enough strength in our state laws
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  Speaker 11: that look at it, and it only takes these tragedies
• 19:31
  Speaker 11: are enough by profile cases where their possibility is a
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: chance of stronger vehicular homicide. And I think being alcohol
• 19:39
  Speaker 11: being a legal drug, I think people put themselves in
• 19:43
  Speaker 11: that space that you know that that could be then
• 19:47
  Speaker 11: and they look at those cases and there's a leniency
• 19:50
  Speaker 11: to those and people get off on a lesser charge
• 19:54
  Speaker 11: or lesser lesser length of conviction than they would As
• 19:59
  Speaker 11: you said with a.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: You're actually making my teeth hurt. Isn't that a sign
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: of a heart attack?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Jason? Somehow you took my question and you mangled it
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: and you threw it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Back at me, and somehow you seem to be blaming
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: society for what this woman did.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: M you said, it's a societal issue. I don't even
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: know what that means. A societal had.
• 20:30
  Speaker 11: Enough state laws that strengthen these things.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: Let me give you a little reality check, Oceans. What
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: is the max you can get on habitual violator homicide?
• 20:40
  Speaker 11: Twenty five life?
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Did I hear the word life? Twenty yeah? Twenty five
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to life?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: You kind of went twenty five to life. Okay, there
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: you go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kimberly Cockrel. Why
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: is habitual violator? That is a dui offender that's done
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: it over and over and over and meny jurisdiction. It
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: takes your fifth your fourth or fifth d UI until
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: you're charged with HV habitual violator. She is a habitual
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: violator in my mind because this is at least her
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: fourth ar Hey, Sydney, how many arrests has this woman had.
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: Been arrests in the last three years? Nancy?
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Seven?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, there we go, assault on l e. Jan twenty three,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: disorderly conduct. I'm sure she was drunk October twenty four,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: disorderly conduct twenty five, duy twenty five three times in
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: the last year to be an HB habitual violator. I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: think you have more. You have to have more than three.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, let me drink this in for a moment.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: You don't me you reason mere?
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Sure?
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: So I'm in the same areaadio.
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: They I don't land.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: Here's twenty twenty I just.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Moved here in twenty twenty.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: So what are we even talking about?
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: Speaking off?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, Sydney.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: We just showed sound of her drunken, abusive in front
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: of a Christmas tree.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: What is that? Nancy?
• 22:35
  Speaker 10: That's January second of twenty twenty three. When Mullen's neighbors
• 22:41
  Speaker 10: called police because she was harassing them. There was some
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: constant issue going on between them and Mullens comes home
• 22:51
  Speaker 10: so drunk that she won't stop knocking on their door
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: and let this issue lie. So craps are called and
• 23:00
  Speaker 10: there's no crime. They're just trying to make sure that
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: she's okay. At this point, they see how intoxicated she is.
• 23:09
  Speaker 10: They realize she won't leave her neighbors alone might end
• 23:12
  Speaker 10: up actually committing a crime. So CoP's determined that she
• 23:16
  Speaker 10: needs to go to the hospital, and that's when Mullen
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: starts freaking out, losing her mind.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, Doctor John Delatori is joining US Psychologists.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Mediator specializes in forensic psychology, a psychological consultant to Project absence.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: It's a nonprofit. You can find him at Doctor John Delatory,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: We were just showing her in her.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Apartment and the dichotomy was, let me just say jolting
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: because you say her all that, but her apartment is
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: really pretty and it's neat as a pin and the
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Christmas tree is perfectly decorated, and the dichotomy between her
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: own personal behavior and where she lives, the fact that
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: she has graduated from Suffolk Law School, she's held down
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: several internships. A lot of people would not be able
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: to let me just say, make those two mesh right
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: to reconcile the chaos in her life versus the seemingly
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: neatness and orderliness of everything around her.
• 24:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Nancy, and I want to be clear, she made
• 24:38
  Speaker 13: the choice to drink alcohol, but what does she tell
• 24:40
  Speaker 13: all of us watching her is the disastrous nature that
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: alcohol can have on a person. She is clearly someone
• 24:48
  Speaker 13: that can manage her life outside of alcohol, but the
• 24:51
  Speaker 13: moment she takes just one sip, it has to be five, six,
• 24:55
  Speaker 13: ten drinks, probably hard liquor. She probably believes that wine
• 24:59
  Speaker 13: is the oak thing, that it's going to be the
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: thing that brings her down. But for her, everything is
• 25:04
  Speaker 13: about getting that next drink to calm herself down or
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: to get herself going. Otherwise, she probably wouldn't be engaging
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: in any of these behaviors. But the moment she takes
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: a drink this her whole world falls apart, and she
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: takes people with her. She harms other people, and the
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: legal system doesn't seem to be willing to say no
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: to put her in a position where she's no longer
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: a danger to herself or the community.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: We're blurring that because she starts stripping off all of
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: her clothes.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and I don't want to see that.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: But doctor Delatory, everything you said makes sense, except I
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: don't understand.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just a JD. I'm not an MD.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink like you.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: It's hard for me to reconcile how she keeps everything
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: else in her life compartmentalized in such order. I mean,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: if you look at everything in her home, it's neatly
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: stacked up, it's perfectly arranged, nothing's out of place.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: But her life is chaos.
• 26:00
  Speaker 13: The duality of alcoholism. Now, I'm not going to say
• 26:02
  Speaker 13: that it's a disease or anything like that. I'm just
• 26:04
  Speaker 13: saying that her issue is primarily related to the very
• 26:08
  Speaker 13: moment that she takes a drink.
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: Alcohol.
• 26:10
  Speaker 13: Anything else she can manage well. She is intelligent enough,
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: brilliant maybe to manage the normal personal affairs. But when
• 26:21
  Speaker 13: that alcoholism takes over, she becomes something else. She becomes
• 26:25
  Speaker 13: something much more dangerous, both to herself and to the
• 26:28
  Speaker 13: world around her. No one is safe when she starts drinking.
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: No one, and the only way that she can actually
• 26:35
  Speaker 13: live a healthy life is through abstinence, and she refuses
• 26:38
  Speaker 13: to do that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Police arrest Lauren Mullins, a recent Suffolk law graduate, for
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: operating under the influence after her SUV slams into O'Neill's moped,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: sending him careening into a nearby police vehicle.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: What is he talking about operating under the influence. The
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: victim is dead. He flew through the air and died. Okay,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: so this is upgraded to a homicide charge.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Now I want you to hear.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: We've got so many arrests of her screaming at the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: cops that bodycam.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you for bodycam because.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Very often juries don't believe when officers describe what happened.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Now we actually have bodycam. Her rep sheet spans multiple states.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It includes assaulting officers, disorderly conduct, driving under the influence,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Kimberly Cockrell joining us from mad Mods.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Against drunk driving.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Unless you put a violator in locked down, either in
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: jail or a halfway house, they are not going to
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: go to rehab or they would have already done it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, we have this problem all the time. This is
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: with almost every case I deal with. And what is
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: really sad about this it's her defense attorney and her
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: arraignment said that her issues are quote unquote curable, he said, curable.
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: I want to know at what point he determined that,
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: because her record goes all the way back to twenty fourteen,
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: that was maybe when he had a shot at that.
• 28:14
  Speaker 8: But the egregious behavior that she exhibits on these body cans,
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: that is something that this family, the family of Daniel O'Neill,
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: has to look at that and listen to that over
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: and over and over again, knowing that if it would
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: have been curable, and if she would have been stopped before,
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: Daniel O'Neill would still be here.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Speaking ah Moan's defense attorney here he is.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: Should she get out? She can't drink anymore, ever, she
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: can't drive anymore for a very very long time, but
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: home confinement. This is not an eighteen year old gang kid.
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: And I suggest that even given the record that you
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: see before you, your honor, it is recent, it's not
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: a lifetime of it, and it is durable and mediable,
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: whether it takes years or every decades. Forgive them that,
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: your honner, I asked. The change has not been sufficient
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: to justify one hundred thousand dollars task real you.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Know, Jason Oceans. The judge typically has the full file
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: in front of her, him on the bench. In other words,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: all the wrap sheet everything, and here you get the
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: defense attorney. Should she get out, which, by the way,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: the judge allowed bell. Should she get out? She can't
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: drink anymore? Ever, Okay, her record starts at twenty fourteen.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: We're going on, what is that?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: That's eleven years she's been arrested over and over. It's curable.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: That's not what Kimberly Cockle just says, and he wants
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: a bond.
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: I think he's phrasing in a way defense councils do
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: to portray his flying in the best light and establish
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: some basis that she'll return to court and that home
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: confinement to the ability not to drive will suffice in
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: terms of the ability for her to cause any more
• 29:58
  Speaker 11: harm to the community, which seems to be when she's
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: drinking and driving. So eliminating that in home confinement and
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: the promise that she'll return to cord for all of
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: her hearings and was sufficient for the judge to establish bail.
• 30:13
  Speaker 11: That's really all that the defense counsel did, just creating
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: that element there.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: That's all. Yeah, I don't even know what you just said.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Let's see the video of her in her home screaming
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: at the police home confinement, my rear end home confinement.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: She was berating.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: And that's not in her home. Oh, that's outside of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: her home. There we go in front of the Christmas tree.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, cops, you're about to get a big present.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I can't hear her. There she is there, she is
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: in all her splendor and glory. You know, Dan Murphy
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: joining me, former NYPD detective sergeant co Host gold Shields.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: The way she rips into these police officers, calling them,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: telling them to suck her well, I'm going to get
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: bleeped d c K calling them the P word.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Do I need to spell that for you?
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: Dan?
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Just this?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: If that threatening them, do they get paid enough for that?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: No, you simply don't get paid enough to put up
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: with this. And frankly, I've dealt with this so many times.
• 31:23
  Speaker 12: She is a blackout drunk. She does not remember what
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: she's saying. She won't remember this tomorrow morning when she
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: wakes up in a sell and never arrested people from
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: up to and including murder who did not remember what
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: they did.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: That's how bad.
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: I don't care, Nancy.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I only don't care.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: That's how bad she is.
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: Drunk, That's how bad she is. She's a threat to everybody.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: You know who else I want to lock up tonight
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the judge, Judge David Frank, Yeah, I'm talking about you.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Listen to this guy.
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: I am going to order that if the defender were
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: to be where to post the bail and be released,
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: but she'd be on a GPS with home confinement device,
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: and that she surrender her passleboard.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Oh you showed her she's getting out on bond with
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: a GPS around her ankle. She'll cut that out in
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: a New York minute and surrender her passport. Really, Kimberly,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: talkrel Can you help me out here? What is wrong
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: with this judge? How many people does she have to
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: mow down? How many cops does she have to assault?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: How many cops does she have to insult? Before she
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: goes to jail?
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: Nancy, this is something I'd struggle with every day. With
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: my position, I have judges right and left, letting offenders
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: out we are successful sometimes and keeping them in until
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: they are scheduled to go, you know, before another judge
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: at that point for their trial or for their plea
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: and we've been successful in the past and keeping several
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: in for a couple of years because their crimes were
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: just that egregious and they had killed just that many people.
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: We had air in South Carolina where we lost three girls,
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: three out of four in the car. We were successful
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: in keeping that woman in prison, excuse me, in jail
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: until her prison term began. But it is few and
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: far between. The majority of these judges let them out
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: on bond and let me explain about house arrests. That's fine,
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: except for the fact that they don't always stay at home.
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: I've had one leave before and go out and get
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: another DUI while he was on house arrest. These people
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: don't care. They care about themselves. And when she broke
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: down in the courtroom crying before well, she has to
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: lift out her the fact that she's a budding attorney
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: and that she sat for the sat for her her
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: law degree so that she could become an attorney. She
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: brings that out before she anything's even mentioned about the
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: victim in that arraignment. She wants to get her law
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: degree out there because that's privilege, thinking that's going to
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: make the judge care about her more. The judge shouldn't
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: care about her at that point. Give her due process,
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: but care more about the victim.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: If you never let.
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: Me Annie, or you'll never win the Super Bowl.
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: For either?
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: Are you any rims? I am the wife of an
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: NFL player.
• 34:55
  Speaker 10: Yo.
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: You anything? Relax?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: She just called the cops fing p word.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Whoa Okay, Doctor Todd Barr, I'm just a JD again.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: You're the MD. Doctor Todd Barr, joining US Special Guest
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Board certified Anatomic Clinical forensic pathologist, Franklin County Forensic Science Center,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Office of the Coroner in Columbus, Ohio. Featured in Thin
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Places Essays from in between. Doctor Barr helped me. They
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: could never get a blood alcohol on her because she
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: was so volatile. And we hear her saying, I'm the
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: wife of an NFL player.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: You're never going to win the super Bowl. Now, this
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: is just.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Before the Philly Eagles Chiefs Super Bowl, so she clearly
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: knows the date.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Well, what time of the year it is?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: You know, when I, for instance, had a child victim
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: on this and they did not know when the incident occurred,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'd say, what was the Christmas tree?
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: Up?
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Was the Easter Bundy coming was Halloween? Did you have
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: a Halloween outfit? So we could narrow down the date.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: She knows when it is You're never going to win
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: a Super.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Bowl if you don't let me out. I'm the wife
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: of an NFL player. That's before she calls the cops.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Fing piece.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, so how drunk is she? Doctor Burr, I don't
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: have a blood alcohol for you.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: Well, that's a very difficult question to ask an answer
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: because certain people. When I was in medical school and
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: rotated through the emergency department, we had a woman that
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: came in and her blood alcohol was point four or
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: five and she was walking and talking like a normal person.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: So that shows you that it's quite variable. Someone that
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: doesn't drink and is a lightweight could have this type
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: of behavior with a point one point five or a
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: point two alcohol BAC. But people who binge drink, and
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: this woman probably has done, develops a certain level of
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: tolerance over the years, and that's why over the years
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: we can see them actually reach much higher blood alcohol
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: contents like point three point four. But the fact that
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: this woman was in the commission of a crime. She
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: was driving under the influence, which is a felony crime
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: in most states, and particularly when injuries occur, as it
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: did in this case, and then ultimately the gentleman passed
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: a day or two later. And so it is unfortunate
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: that they don't have a BAC on this woman for
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: any of her offenses. But I would say she's pretty
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: high up there, Doctor Todd.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Barr joining us out of Ohio, Dodgor Barr. The legal
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: limit in that jurisdiction in Massachusetts point zero eight.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: Correct.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Let's just go with five to five and one hundred
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and thirty five pounds. How do you how much do
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: you have to drink to point b point zero eight.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: And a woman one hundred and twenty five pounds, probably
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: about two drinks will get you to that limit.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I'm interested in what you said, doctor Barr, about how
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: when you were in med school you had a woman
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: that was point four or five, I think you said,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: and she was walking and talking. I assume you mean coherently.
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: Yes, fairly coherently.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I like this correct.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: I agree with Whoevers earlier about blacking out. I believe
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: she was so inebriated that she just doesn't even have
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: a concept of where she is or what she's doing.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: That's not a She certainly knows enough to throw around
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: legal jargon.
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: Lawsuit, a law grad I'm smarter than you. You enticed
• 38:40
  Speaker 14: me that. She goes on and on and on throwing
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: out legalisms. So she obviously knows something. She knows that
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: the super Bowl is about to happen. She knows to
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: threaten the cops. Let me ask you this.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Now this may be anecdotal, not based on any statistical study,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: but doctor Barr, how much do you have to drink
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: to your skin actually stinks of.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: Alcol Usually people that you know consume one or two beverages,
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: they're not going to be reeking of alcohol. You know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: once you get into that, you're starting to do shots,
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: and you know the pores are just exuding the We
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: noticed this that autopsy. To be honest with you, when
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: we have a decedent that has consumed a large quantity
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: of alcohol, when we're doing an autopsy, we can smell
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: it seeping out of the skin at the autopsy table.
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  Speaker 2: Dodger Barr question. I've had a lot of witnesses. I'll say,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: have you been drinking? Because I don't want to put
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: somebody drunk on the stand, and they go no, and
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I like, I'm smelling your breath, and I would get
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: close to them, and their breath didn't smell of alcohol.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: It was their skin. They actually used the smell of alcohol.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: And you just told me you've cut some people open
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: before on autopsy and it just like like a fine wine.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: You could just smell the booze. I got to hear this.
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  Speaker 6: Well, clearly they're not breathing right because they're on an
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: autopsy table, so there's no air exchange. We're not getting
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: it from them expelling air into the room. It's actually
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: oozing out of all of their pores. And these volatile
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: gases that are involved in alcohol they do, they vaporize
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: and they go out into the environment and they come
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: out through the pores.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I just want you to hear her. Everyone's talking about
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: she's black.
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: To ask.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: You don't know what she's doing here. She's threatening a lawsuit.
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: No, that's not.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: The body camp, it's not light up. Oh wow, that's
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: another law.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Suit coming, she says, that's another lawsuit coming, and it
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: ain't over yet.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Listen. Oh please, that's another look. Oh please, I can't
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: leave love that of our dam. That's another loss.
• 41:01
  Speaker 13: You's coming that's another loss to come in.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: That's another line. Do coming you take it so funny?
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: That's all you do?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Why so long as Easy did not move? Because you're
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: moving around.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: It's easy.
• 41:18
  Speaker 10: They say it was me easy without somebody that going
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: into that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: She did pass the bar exam.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: As doctor Delatory explained earlier, I don't know how to
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: explain the dichotomy in her, but I.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Do know this.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: The victim is dead, flew through the air to his death,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and the judge granted bond. And that's okay. If you
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: know or think you know anything about this case. The
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: state is still putting together their case. Please dial six
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: one seven three four nine thirty three hundred. Repeat six one, seven,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: three four nine thirty three hundred.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,