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- 0:22Well, while Princeton has had to change its
- 0:26honor code as of late, thanks to AI,
- 0:30YouTube, Snap, and TikTok have settled with a
- 0:34Kentucky school district amid media addiction claims.
- 0:45And it's uh it's not a scorched earth
- 0:47policy.
- 0:49Good afternoon, my friends.
- 0:50Uh you you're listening to the dean's list
- 0:52here on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
- 0:55We're gonna we're gonna pay a visit to
- 0:56to Princeton.
- 0:58We're gonna pay a visit to Kentucky, and
- 1:00we're gonna we're gonna check in and see
- 1:02how how AI's doing.
- 1:05Who's winning here?
- 1:06Is it is it good old fashioned traditional
- 1:09education or is it AI?
- 1:12Uh first stop, my friends.
- 1:15First stop is first stop it.
- 1:20Where should we go first?
- 1:21Should we go to Kentucky or or or
- 1:22New Jersey?
- 1:24All right, Princeton it is.
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- 2:01All right.
- 2:03Uh so let's let's go to Princeton first.
- 2:05Let's go to New Jersey.
- 2:08Uh, the home of Princeton.
- 2:10The Ivy League institutions honor code has been
- 2:14amended in the past 133 years.
- 2:18Did you know this?
- 2:20That they've amended the honor code in order
- 2:23to keep up with technology and societal changes.
- 2:27See, see, this is what they want for
- 2:29the constitution, by the way.
- 2:30They would love to change the constitution, amend
- 2:33it to keep up with technology and or
- 2:36societal changes.
- 2:39They would love it if the if the
- 2:42constitution would evolve, much like the honor code
- 2:44over here at Princeton.
- 2:48The more recent change to the Princeton Honor
- 2:52Code was prompted by a student survey, a
- 2:562025 student survey of graduating seniors revealed revealed
- 3:00something that that Princeton didn't see coming.
- 3:04Something rather rather shocking to our friends over
- 3:07at Princeton.
- 3:12This uh survey revealed that 30% of graduating
- 3:17seniors admitted to cheating on their assignments.
- 3:22Yes, you you heard that correct.
- 3:2430% admitted to cheating.
- 3:29And this this news has prompted some changes,
- 3:32some changes over there at Princeton, because you
- 3:36can no longer trust the student body.
- 3:40So I don't know if you are aware
- 3:43of this, but uh since 1893, uh students
- 3:46at Princeton have taken exams in a relaxed
- 3:50environment.
- 3:53They they haven't had a professor lurking about
- 3:56the room to ensure that there's no talking
- 3:59or no wandering eyes.
- 4:02They have been uh taking their exams on
- 4:05the honor system.
- 4:08Yeah, since since 18.
- 4:10Let me make sure I got this date
- 4:11right.
- 4:13Uh, according to our friend Aaron Gifford over
- 4:15at the Epoch Times, since 1893, students have
- 4:18been taking exams at Princeton on the honor
- 4:21system.
- 4:24No lurking professors, no um uh, you know,
- 4:27no wandering eyes, no uh no talking, no,
- 4:31they've just they they've been in a room
- 4:34very relaxed.
- 4:39The honor system uh that preserved the arrangement,
- 4:42however, unfortunately is no more.
- 4:46The honor system is gone.
- 4:47It's kaput over at Princeton.
- 4:50They're done with it.
- 4:52Uh on July 1st, according to a memo
- 4:56by the dean of faculty, Gene Jarrett, July
- 4:591st, Princeton University will return to Proctored in-class
- 5:03assessments.
- 5:07A seemingly ancient practice has been recalled to
- 5:11counterchanging norms and increasing student reliance on AI,
- 5:15according to the campus document.
- 5:20Seemingly ancient practice.
- 5:22This has been going on for a long
- 5:23time.
- 5:24The honor system over here at Princeton, where
- 5:27kids could just relax and take their exams
- 5:30without any pressure.
- 5:34Well, apparently 30% of them, and it's probably
- 5:37more 30% admitted to cheating.
- 5:42But don't you think there is a few
- 5:44more that that did cheat and just didn't
- 5:46admit to it.
- 5:49I mean, can we agree on that?
- 5:51I think we can.
- 5:52I mean, I think we have to come
- 5:53to that conclusion.
- 5:55Uh a May 4th memo from Dean of
- 5:58Faculty Gene Jarrett outlined the changes according to
- 6:01the newspaper.
- 6:05And the changes were approved this week.
- 6:07Under the 1893 policy, students would sign before
- 6:11each examination a statement affirming that they would
- 6:15not collaborate with other students, and that they
- 6:19would report any peers who were seen looking
- 6:23at someone else's answers or collaborating with others.
- 6:27This, my friends, is the honor system.
- 6:29This is this is what the honor system
- 6:30is.
- 6:32You you take something, say an exam, and
- 6:35uh you and you you sign it, you
- 6:38say, look, we're I I've I'm I'm giving
- 6:41you my word.
- 6:44I'm signing my name to this document.
- 6:47And uh basically stating I I will not
- 6:50cheat.
- 6:52And if I notice someone else cheating, if
- 6:54I see a wandering eyes, I will report
- 6:56it.
- 6:57I'll be the snitch.
- 6:59It's uh it's an honor code.
- 7:00It's an honor code.
- 7:03Uh and and over the past few years,
- 7:03And over the past few years, according to
- 7:05according to Jarrett, both students and faculty have
- 7:06Jarrett, both students and faculty have requested a
- 7:08requested a change to the system.
- 7:08change to the system.
- 7:10Given, quote, here's the quote, given their perception
- 7:10Given, quote, here's the quote, given their perception
- 7:13that cheating on in class exams has become
- 7:14that cheating on in-class exams has become widespread.
- 7:16widespread.
- 7:19So I mean, kids can sign their name
- 7:19So uh, I mean, kids can can sign
- 7:21to it.
- 7:21their name to it, and they can say,
- 7:23And they can say, look, I've signed this,
- 7:23look, I've signed this, and now I'm gonna
- 7:24and now I'm gonna just do whatever I
- 7:25I'm just gonna do whatever I want.
- 7:25want.
- 7:27I'm just gonna I'm gonna move on here.
- 7:27I'm just gonna, I'm gonna move on here.
- 7:30I'm just gonna, this is this is great.
- 7:32This is fantastic.
- 7:33I can't believe Prince says this stupid to
- 7:34just give me this document that I can
- 7:35sign, then I'm gonna just do whatever I
- 7:37want.
- 7:38I'm gonna cheat.
- 7:40I mean, that's the that's the prevailing attitude
- 7:42here.
- 7:44That's the underlying theme.
- 7:46Uh AI use, such as chat GPT is
- 7:48another big driver for the change, according to
- 7:50Jarrett.
- 7:53Uh the memo says that the ease of
- 7:56access of these tools on a small personal
- 7:59device has also changed the external appearance of
- 8:02misconduct during an examination, which is much harder
- 8:05for other students to observe and hence to
- 8:08report.
- 8:13Uh it seems to me that they're putting
- 8:16a lot of pressure on honest kids to
- 8:19report the dishonest.
- 8:23And maybe put put a lot of pressure
- 8:25on isn't the right word.
- 8:26Maybe they're they're relying too much on honest
- 8:29kids to report dishonest.
- 8:33And instead, I mean, maybe the focus should
- 8:36be on weeding out the dishonesty.
- 8:41I don't know, maybe maybe the focus should
- 8:44should be on more emphasis on the honor
- 8:48code and and less emphasis on relying on
- 8:52particular students to snitch on those who are
- 8:56breaking the honor code.
- 9:00Jarrett added that students are less likely to
- 9:03report pure cheating for fear that they will
- 9:06be shamed or doxxed on social media.
- 9:10This has made it difficult for the honor
- 9:13committee in the office of the dean of
- 9:16undergraduate students, Jarrett said, to follow up on
- 9:19concerns, even when there is significant buzz or
- 9:22outrage about supposedly agregious violations.
- 9:27Jarrett's updated proposal added a sentence to the
- 9:31official conduct of undergraduate course study policy.
- 9:35That sentence says in-class exams shall be supervised
- 9:38by instructional staff.
- 9:42It also said students are still required to
- 9:45sign a pledge with every exam that they
- 9:48have not violated the university honor code.
- 9:51Every single exam.
- 9:54We have to sign this pledge.
- 9:55I've not violated it.
- 9:56Well, what if you have?
- 9:57What if you have violated it?
- 9:58Do you not sign the pledge?
- 10:00Do you turn yourself in?
- 10:02Uh I'm sure there are plenty of students
- 10:05here that are signing this pledge saying and
- 10:07attesting they have not violated the honor code.
- 10:11And presumably they have and are.
- 10:14The Daily Princetonian reported that a faculty committee
- 10:17approved that change on May 11th.
- 10:21It's not yet updated on the Princeton University
- 10:23website.
- 10:25Proctors who witness honor code violations will be
- 10:29expected to document their observations, submit a report
- 10:33to the student-led honor committee, and testify in
- 10:37disciplinary hearings, according to the newspaper report.
- 10:43So an age-old practice over at Princeton since
- 10:471893, and the practice is going away.
- 10:51And we could blame AI all day long,
- 10:53really.
- 10:55And I think that would be the easy
- 10:57out is to blame AI.
- 11:02I think the real blame has to, it
- 11:06has to fall on the students and their
- 11:09seemingly inability, their seeming inability to stay true
- 11:13to their word.
- 11:16If they have signed something and they have
- 11:19pledged that they will not cheat, then they
- 11:23sh they should honor that.
- 11:26I mean, it's it's called the honor system
- 11:28for a reason.
- 11:30But honor is is out.
- 11:34Honor's out.
- 11:35Honor is not in vogue, honor is not
- 11:36in fashion.
- 11:38Honor isn't, I mean, our word doesn't mean
- 11:41much anymore.
- 11:44It doesn't mean much when you have 30%
- 11:46of the graduating seniors, and probably more, 30%
- 11:49are the are the ones who who admitted
- 11:51to it.
- 11:54It's probably more.
- 12:07I cheated my way through college.
- 12:10I I cheated my way through Princeton.
- 12:13And they're they're proud of it.
- 12:16Are they?
- 12:18Um yeah, I don't I don't think the
- 12:20issue here, I don't think the the I
- 12:22don't think we can blame AI.
- 12:26I think the the blame falls squarely on
- 12:29the shoulders of the students.
- 12:31I remember uh a while back, Victor Davis
- 12:34Hanson writing this piece in uh uh Hillsdale's
- 12:38publication in Primus.
- 12:41Uh Hansen is a guest lecturer there of
- 12:44a visiting professor, as it were.
- 12:48And he said one of the things in
- 12:50his piece, he's talking about the three things
- 12:52that that struck him about Hillsdale.
- 12:54One of them is uh the fact that
- 12:57he's he's on a bike and he's riding
- 12:59his bike around camp campus, and he he
- 13:01leaves it parked in in some building, and
- 13:03then he goes in and he's I don't
- 13:05know, he's he gets he gets caught up
- 13:08anyway.
- 13:10He gets back to where he's staying and
- 13:11he forgets about his bike.
- 13:13He didn't chain it up, he didn't, and
- 13:15he's panicked.
- 13:16He he goes there the very next day
- 13:18thinking my bike's gonna be gone.
- 13:19I didn't I didn't chain it up.
- 13:21I you know, it's just out there exposed.
- 13:24And the next day he gets there, and
- 13:26lo and behold, his bike is still there.
- 13:29Nobody took it.
- 13:32And it's and and he he he at
- 13:33first he he's he's kind of shocked by
- 13:35this.
- 13:38And then he in his his piece he
- 13:40goes back to the honor code.
- 13:42The fact that that the Hillsdale student signed
- 13:45this honor code in honor is something that's
- 13:49held to such a high esteem there that
- 13:52they take it seriously.
- 13:56It's it's ingrained in their culture.
- 13:59Matter of fact, and I've I've witnessed this
- 14:00Matter of fact, and I've I've witnessed this
- 14:01firsthand.
- 14:01firsthand.
- 14:02You can you can go into, I guess
- 14:02You can you can go into, I guess
- 14:04what would be their student union, their mess
- 14:04what would be their student union, their mess
- 14:06hall, as it were.
- 14:06hall, as it were.
- 14:09And as you as you go down the
- 14:09And as you as you go down the
- 14:12stairs into the cafeteria, there is um there
- 14:12stairs into the cafeteria, there is um there
- 14:15are backpacks everywhere.
- 14:15are backpacks everywhere.
- 14:18It's just a sea of of backpacks.
- 14:18It's just a sea of backpacks.
- 14:22Matter of fact, you have to step over
- 14:22Matter of fact, you have to step over
- 14:23them, you have to step through them, you
- 14:23them, you have to step through them, you
- 14:24have to step around them.
- 14:25have to step around them, and kids just
- 14:26And kids just leave their backpacks there.
- 14:27leave their backpacks there.
- 14:29They leave.
- 14:29They leave their their equipment, their technology.
- 14:32It's just all out there.
- 14:35But because of the honor system, they feel
- 14:37confident that when they leave their lunch, they
- 14:40can come back and grab their backpack, and
- 14:43they can be on their way.
- 14:46And indeed, that's the way it is.
- 14:48They they leave their laptop out, and it's
- 14:50still going to be there on the table
- 14:53where they left it.
- 14:55Untouched, unfettered, unwhatever.
- 15:00Fill in the blank.
- 15:03And it's it's pe it's not because they
- 15:05don't they don't have access to AI.
- 15:07It's it's because the honor code is not
- 15:09lip service.
- 15:12The honor code is it's ingrained in the
- 15:15culture.
- 15:17It's entrenched in the culture.
- 15:19It is the fabric it's in the fabric
- 15:22of of everyday life over there.
- 15:26The Greeks have a word for this.
- 15:28It's it's padaya.
- 15:30And they believe that it's the culture that
- 15:35the padaya that actually raises the students.
- 15:40It's it's the culture where they learn.
- 15:42It's the culture wherein they're educated.
- 15:46And it's it's this type of culture that
- 15:49uh that raises young people.
- 15:52And the Greeks believe that morality should be
- 15:55the centerpiece of that culture.
- 15:57That if morality is the centerpiece of the
- 16:00culture, then you are raising a particular type
- 16:03of person, a different type of person, completely
- 16:06different.
- 16:09So you you have Hillsdale and you have
- 16:11Princeton.
- 16:12Now, look, I'm not saying you know, Hillsdale's
- 16:14this perfect utopia, and everyone that goes there
- 16:16is perfect and morally upright.
- 16:18I mean, we're human.
- 16:21We're we are going to have moments where
- 16:23we where we falter and fail and fall
- 16:25down.
- 16:27I get that.
- 16:28I'm, you know, I'm not saying that the
- 16:30kid the students at Hillsdale are 100% perfect.
- 16:32I'm sure they're not.
- 16:34I'm just comparing the two cultures.
- 16:37There is a culture at Hillsdale that believes
- 16:39in honor.
- 16:42And they hold it to a high esteem.
- 16:45They put it on a pedestal, and their
- 16:47honor code meets me means something, and I
- 16:49believe that it probably used to mean something
- 16:51at Princeton as well.
- 16:54But over time, uh it stopped.
- 16:57It stopped meaning something.
- 16:58Honor became just you know, lip service.
- 17:02And the the students have have realized, oh,
- 17:04gee, this is a this is a ticket
- 17:06to an easy A.
- 17:08I mean, I can say that I'm gonna
- 17:11do something, and then who's gonna know?
- 17:14Because it's the honor system.
- 17:15Who's going to know?
- 17:17No one's gonna know.
- 17:19And we used to believe that God would
- 17:21know.
- 17:24And we used to have a reverence for
- 17:26and in God.
- 17:28And we used to come to this conclusion
- 17:30that uh, well, you know, no one else
- 17:32might see it, but but God's gonna see
- 17:34it.
- 17:36But where's God in all this?
- 17:39He's gone.
- 17:40We we we threw him out.
- 17:42We he's the he's no longer part of
- 17:44the equation.
- 17:46And therefore, we don't, we we no longer
- 17:47have any reverence in him.
- 17:49We no longer uh feel like we have
- 17:54to uphold any moral code in his name
- 17:58by him, for him, or through him.
- 18:03All right, my friends, I'm looking at the
- 18:04clock.
- 18:05Uh I will uh pick up this conversation.
- 18:08Uh I didn't mean to go on a
- 18:10little uh honor rant.
- 18:11Oh, maybe I did.
- 18:13Maybe I did mean it.
- 18:14Maybe.
- 18:16Uh, you know, I don't know.
- 18:17Maybe someone needed to hear it.
- 18:18All right, we will dive into more of
- 18:20this conversation on the other side of this
- 18:21break.
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- 22:27All right.
- 22:28So uh Princeton has had a little uh
- 22:31little bump in the road, a little bump
- 22:33in the road over there at Princeton since
- 22:361893.
- 22:39The honor system has been uh has been
- 22:42the way that they have operated their testing
- 22:44and their exams.
- 22:49But thanks to AI, it's it's AI's fault,
- 22:50Dean.
- 22:52It's it's thanks to AI, we've got to
- 22:53change things.
- 22:54No, it's not.
- 22:55It's it's not thanks to AI.
- 22:57It's not AI's fault.
- 22:59It's the fault of the students.
- 23:01It might even be the fault of the
- 23:04institution for not keeping honor as a part
- 23:08of the culture.
- 23:11They're on campus.
- 23:13Don't go blaming the the inanimate object here.
- 23:17Let's let the blame fall where it should
- 23:19fall.
- 23:20It should fall on the student body.
- 23:23It should uh fall on Princeton.
- 23:25Uh, there needs to be maybe more of
- 23:28a more of a push to make honor
- 23:31uh part of the culture, once again.
- 23:37Yeah, I mean, that's just uh do you
- 23:39agree or disagree?
- 23:41Yes, I just I think that's the way
- 23:42it is.
- 23:44Go to Kentucky, my friends.
- 23:46YouTube, Snap, and TikTok have settled a school
- 23:50district's claim in Kentucky that the platforms fueled
- 23:54a youth mental health crisis, that the school
- 23:58district said it was forced to manage the
- 24:02Breathett County School District in rural eastern Kentucky
- 24:07still plans to take Meta platforms, parent of
- 24:11Facebook and Instagram to trial on June 15th.
- 24:15So apparently the settlement is only with YouTube,
- 24:18snap TikTok, and not with Facebook, not with
- 24:21Instagram.
- 24:23They're still in the crosshairs here.
- 24:27The agreements detailed in federal court filings last
- 24:30week are among the first set for trial
- 24:34in more than 1200 similar lawsuits filed by
- 24:37a school districts nationwide.
- 24:41Do you think that this has it possible
- 24:43that school districts are seeing this as a
- 24:46uh as a cash cow?
- 24:50Do you think?
- 24:52Um, a YouTube spokesperson said in a statement,
- 24:55this matter has been amicably resolved, and our
- 24:58focus remains on building age appropriate products and
- 25:01parental controls that deliver on that promise.
- 25:04Now, look, I don't mean to say when
- 25:05I say that our school is looking at
- 25:07this as a cash cow.
- 25:08I'm not uh I'm not trying to say
- 25:11that there isn't some validity to their claim,
- 25:13but I mean, dollar signs are probably gonna
- 25:15start, they're gonna probably start dreaming about dollar
- 25:17signs here.
- 25:20You see these settlements coming down the pike,
- 25:22and other districts are gonna want to get
- 25:24in on the action.
- 25:26Snap and TikTok did not respond for uh
- 25:30immediate comment.
- 25:37Oh, and and here it is.
- 25:39Here it comes.
- 25:40The district has sought more than 60 million
- 25:43dollars to cover costs of countering social media's
- 25:47effects on students, and to fund a 15-year
- 25:50mental health program.
- 25:55It also asked the court to order changes
- 25:58to reduce addictive features on the platforms.
- 26:02Terms of the agreement were not disclosed.
- 26:0460 million dollars to cover the cost of
- 26:07countering social media's effects, and to fund a
- 26:1115-year mental health program.
- 26:15I mean, it's noble.
- 26:16Uh, I think funding a mental health program
- 26:18is is noble.
- 26:20Uh, but I just uh I don't know
- 26:23who's gonna, you know, who's gonna track the
- 26:25money here?
- 26:27Who's gonna make sure that the money is
- 26:29actually being spent on mental health programs?
- 26:32I mean, we're talking 60 million dollars.
- 26:36Uh who's gonna be in charge of this?
- 26:40More than 3300 addiction-related lawsuits are pending in
- 26:43California alone.
- 26:47Another 2400 uh filed by individuals, cities, states,
- 26:50and school districts, have been filed in the
- 26:53California federal court.
- 26:56Holy smokes.
- 26:57So California is loaded.
- 27:00Just um, I mean, they're just ready to
- 27:02go.
- 27:04The uh social media companies have denied the
- 27:07allegations.
- 27:09They say they already take extensive steps to
- 27:11protect teens and young users.
- 27:14The settlements come weeks after a landmark verdict
- 27:17and a related individual case.
- 27:20And so this is this is it right
- 27:21here.
- 27:22And we talked about this in March when
- 27:25a jury found uh Meta and Google's YouTube
- 27:27negligent and awarded 6 million to a 20-year-old
- 27:30woman.
- 27:34Uh do you guys remember that?
- 27:36Uh she was identified in court records as
- 27:38KGM.
- 27:41She argued that she suffered depression, body dysmorphia,
- 27:44anxiety, suicidal ideation, and all of this as
- 27:48a result of being addicted to the social
- 27:51media apps.
- 27:56Uh her case focused narrowly on how design
- 28:00And function, including features such as notifications, infinite
- 28:00and function, including features such as notifications, infinite
- 28:04scroll, and the company's proprietary algorithms rather than
- 28:04scroll, and the company's proprietary algorithms rather than
- 28:08third party content may have led to alleged
- 28:08third party content, may have led to alleged
- 28:11psychological harms.
- 28:11psychological harms.
- 28:16Meta and YouTube executives testified that they do
- 28:16Meta and YouTube executives testified that they do
- 28:20not design their platforms to be addictive.
- 28:20not design their platforms to be addictive.
- 28:24But in this case, uh, KGM's attorneys said
- 28:24But in this case, uh KGM's attorneys said.
- 28:28the evidence clearly shows that leadership at both
- 28:32meta and YouTube knew of the harms associated
- 28:36with preteen use, and that young people were
- 28:40with other co-stressers were particularly vulnerable, and that
- 28:43they went after the demographic anyway, introducing features
- 28:47such as vertical video feeds to compete with
- 28:51rivals such as Snapchat.
- 28:56Like KGM's case, the Brethett County, I don't
- 28:59know if I'm pronouncing that right.
- 29:01The Breathett County School Districts Agreement is one
- 29:04of a handful of bellwether trials expected to
- 29:08have a profound bearing on thousands of related
- 29:11consolidated civil injury lawsuits brought by parents, children,
- 29:15school districts, and district attorneys.
- 29:18So this this landmark case here in March,
- 29:22California landed a six million dollar payout to
- 29:26a 20-year-old.
- 29:31And here we are just a couple months
- 29:33later, and you see where this dollar figure
- 29:35is jumped.
- 29:36It's no longer six million.
- 29:38No, the school district here in Kentucky is
- 29:41asking for 60 million.
- 29:44We just we just 10x this bad boy
- 29:46from six to 60.
- 29:48But we have to cover costs of countering
- 29:50social media's effects on students, and and we
- 29:52need to fund a 15 year mental health
- 29:54program.
- 29:58Look, I you know, I mean, funding the
- 30:00mental health program is it's good, it's important.
- 30:03I'm sure it is.
- 30:06But you think a 10 a 10x jump
- 30:09in two months was uh I don't know,
- 30:12is it uh are we just following the
- 30:16the the dollar signs?
- 30:19Are we just seeing dollar signs or are
- 30:22we seriously concerned about kids?
- 30:25I mean, I I think it's a legitimate
- 30:26question.
- 30:28And uh, you know, again, are we blaming
- 30:32are we putting blame in the right place?
- 30:37Um because it's the same, it's kind of
- 30:39the same as you know, Princeton blaming AI
- 30:42for the students cheating.
- 30:46Um the focus needs to be on on
- 30:48the kids.
- 30:50Why aren't we educating the kids?
- 30:53Why aren't we why aren't we taking this
- 30:57information out of their out of their possession?
- 31:02Oh, you can't just take social media away,
- 31:03Dean.
- 31:04They're gonna they're gonna be upset.
- 31:06They're gonna be they're gonna be mad.
- 31:08I mean, all their kids have it.
- 31:11I mean, I I can understand that point.
- 31:13I was talking to a friend not long
- 31:14ago.
- 31:17And you know, his daughter's in high school
- 31:19and she's mad.
- 31:22She's mad because she doesn't have access to
- 31:25all the social media that her friends have.
- 31:27And the parents are are feeling the wrath
- 31:29of that.
- 31:30And they, you know, they want to have
- 31:33a good relationship with their with their child,
- 31:35and you know, there's gonna be some acquiescing.
- 31:38I can tell you right now, there is.
- 31:40It's just that's just you know where we're
- 31:42at.
- 31:44And I I get it.
- 31:45I, you know, I was a I was
- 31:46a parent to to teens once.
- 31:49I understand that dilemma.
- 31:52Um, you know, we we live in a
- 31:53different time, really.
- 31:55We we you know, I grew up in
- 31:57a time where my parent was my parent.
- 32:00You know, they weren't my friend.
- 32:01They they did things on behalf of my
- 32:03betterment.
- 32:06And a lot of times I didn't like
- 32:06it.
- 32:08I didn't understand it, and it made me
- 32:09mad.
- 32:10A lot of times it made me mad.
- 32:12But I I had I had great parents.
- 32:14I mean, looking back on it, I realized
- 32:16I I had great parents.
- 32:19Um I liked them.
- 32:21I still do.
- 32:22I mean, they're they're they're gone.
- 32:24Both of them are gone, but I I
- 32:25did.
- 32:26I liked them.
- 32:27I wasn't this kid who was I'm just
- 32:28angry at my.
- 32:29I mean, yeah, there were times I was
- 32:32mad at him, but I didn't, I didn't
- 32:34harbor any any anger or animosity towards them
- 32:36over the course of the years.
- 32:39Um but they were doing things and making
- 32:41decisions and and deciding on things on on
- 32:43my behalf on what was what was best
- 32:46for me.
- 32:49And you know what?
- 32:50Often they didn't they didn't take my my
- 32:52feelings into consideration.
- 32:54They didn't care about the way I felt
- 32:55about it.
- 32:56It was the way it was.
- 32:58Um, and I I appreciate that now.
- 33:01I don't know that I would have appreciated
- 33:02it then or that I did appreciate it
- 33:04then.
- 33:05I appreciate it now, though.
- 33:08I look back on it now, and I
- 33:09think, you know what?
- 33:10That was that was a that was a
- 33:12good decision they made.
- 33:14Uh that was a good decision, you know,
- 33:16keeping me out of that situation, or you
- 33:19know, whatever.
- 33:23But it's different now.
- 33:24It's you know, kids are they're gonna they're
- 33:27gonna throw a fit.
- 33:29I don't know, some of them might even
- 33:31call, you know, protective services.
- 33:33I I don't know.
- 33:35I I look, I'm just saying I understand
- 33:37the dilemma that parents have that they go
- 33:39through.
- 33:41You know, little Johnny needs a cell phone
- 33:43because all the other little Johnnies in his
- 33:45classroom have a cell phone, and little Janie
- 33:47can't be left out, you know, everyone else
- 33:49has this app or that app or this,
- 33:52this or that or the other.
- 33:54And I'm gonna be left out, and I'm
- 33:56not gonna be able to talk to my
- 33:59friends and you know, parents feel that pressure,
- 34:01and oftentimes they crack underneath the weight of
- 34:04it.
- 34:07Um, so I I understand that, but but
- 34:10look, at some point, we have to we
- 34:12have to do what's what's best for the
- 34:14child.
- 34:17And if that means taking away the cell
- 34:19phone, by all means.
- 34:21Look, I I can tell you right now,
- 34:23Cindy and I have talked about this, and
- 34:26it's it's impossible to I mean to go
- 34:28back, but knowing now what we know now.
- 34:31Uh our kids wouldn't have a cell phone.
- 34:33Would you we just wouldn't do it?
- 34:35I mean, there would be a time, yes.
- 34:37Uh, but it wouldn't be in middle school.
- 34:39I can tell you that.
- 34:40I mean, it might be later on, late
- 34:42high school.
- 34:44Um, and there would be uh, I don't,
- 34:46I don't know.
- 34:48I just I mean it's easier for me
- 34:51to talk now because you know, I don't
- 34:54I don't have kids that age any longer.
- 34:56So it's I don't know, it's easier said
- 34:59than than done on my end.
- 35:00Done on my end.
- 35:02I just I just think that that maybe
- 35:02I just I just think that that maybe
- 35:04we should consider resting the blame at at
- 35:04we should consider resting the blame at the
- 35:07the feet of really truly where it belongs.
- 35:07feet of really truly where it belongs.
- 35:10I mean, it's not just the social media
- 35:10I mean, it's not just the social media
- 35:12companies here.
- 35:12companies here.
- 35:13I mean, if they are indeed uh promoting
- 35:13I mean, if they are indeed uh promoting
- 35:16their algorithms to to draw in and uh
- 35:16their algorithms to to draw in and uh
- 35:19addict the youth, then they need to be
- 35:19addict the youth, then they need to be
- 35:21held accountable for that.
- 35:21held accountable for that.
- 35:25However, you know, as parents find these discoveries,
- 35:25However, you know, as parents find these discoveries,
- 35:27as parents.
- 35:28as parents realize the addictive nature of these
- 35:32of these platforms and of the algorithms.
- 35:36Parents have to step in.
- 35:38And parents have to start making decisions that
- 35:40are that are based on the the welfare
- 35:42and well-being of their children, even if it
- 35:44means, hey, guess what?
- 35:46We're taking this away.
- 35:48Oh, can't do that.
- 35:50Uh, yeah, I just maybe, and maybe we
- 35:53could.
- 35:57Maybe we could take it away.
- 35:59Maybe if our education was focused on, I
- 36:03don't know, something something else, something different, something
- 36:07of a of a moral nature, something with
- 36:10some moral fiber to it, something with um
- 36:14uh you know, some some some some foundational
- 36:18values and and and virtues, something of of
- 36:22worth and something of merit, something that actually
- 36:25mattered, I think.
- 36:29If if that were the case, then um,
- 36:32maybe we might see things differently.
- 36:35But uh until we get there, until we
- 36:38um until we change things, until the education
- 36:40system in this country changes, then you know,
- 36:43Princeton's gonna keep having issues with their honor
- 36:46code.
- 36:49And I and I'm not just putting the
- 36:51blame on K-12 education there.
- 36:52I think Princeton needs to uh hold honor
- 36:56and in a higher esteem, obviously.
- 37:00Honor needs to maybe become part of the
- 37:02Princeton culture, yet again.
- 37:04I mean, obviously it was at one point
- 37:07in time, where since 1893, students were allowed
- 37:09to take their exams in just a room,
- 37:12you know, kicked back and relaxed.
- 37:16They had worked hard, they had studied hard,
- 37:18and now they were given this opportunity because
- 37:21of the honor system to take an exam
- 37:24without a proctor breathing over their shoulder.
- 37:28But honor's gone.
- 37:30It's not the fault of AI.
- 37:31Honor, honor has been ushered from the building.
- 37:34Honor is no longer with us.
- 37:36Your your word no longer means what it
- 37:39used to mean, and therefore you get away
- 37:42with you know, doing things that otherwise you
- 37:45normally wouldn't do because of an honor system.
- 37:49Let's make it part of the culture again.
- 37:52And it, you know, again, this can't fall
- 37:53just to K-12.
- 37:55This has to fall to the higher ed.
- 37:57They have to create this culture in their
- 38:00building and on their campus.
- 38:03And they have to, they have to hold
- 38:05students' feet to the fire.
- 38:07They have to have to tow the line
- 38:08here.
- 38:08They have to say, look, you're gonna follow
- 38:10our honor code, or you're you're gonna be
- 38:11gone.
- 38:13We're not gonna invite you into our culture
- 38:16and our community if you're not going to
- 38:18follow our honor code.
- 38:21All right.
- 38:22Um, it's it's important, and uh, we should
- 38:25definitely be um be in engaging in this
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- 40:53So as we talk about what we're missing
- 40:56really in society, what we're missing in culture,
- 40:59what we're missing in education.
- 41:03I'm looking at this piece here in the
- 41:06in the uh epoch times called American Made,
- 41:10the New Gentleman and the Republic.
- 41:13And it describes what our founding fathers thought
- 41:16about being a gentleman, what it meant to
- 41:20them to being a gentleman.
- 41:24In the um in the 18th and 19th
- 41:28century, uh the the house of lords in
- 41:32England was full of who they referred to
- 41:37as uh temporal lords and spiritual lords.
- 41:42The temporal faction consisted of hereditary nobility, such
- 41:45as dukes and barons.
- 41:49The spiritual faction consisted of bishops and archbishops,
- 41:52members of the clergy, the cloth.
- 41:56Membership in the House of Commons was more
- 41:59diverse.
- 42:00Was more diverse, lawyers, military officers, the wealthy
- 42:01Lawyers, military officers, the wealthy merchants, most importantly,
- 42:05merchants, most importantly, the landed gentry.
- 42:05the landed gentry.
- 42:10These consisted of knights of the Shire and
- 42:10These consisted of knights of the Shire and
- 42:13men with large estates and eminent lineage, country
- 42:13men with large estates and eminent lineage, country
- 42:15gentlemen, who were one tier down, but still
- 42:15gentlemen who were one tier down, but still
- 42:18of high birth or rank and good social
- 42:18of high birth or rank and good social
- 42:21standing of wealth and especially the wealth of
- 42:21standing of wealth, and especially the wealth of
- 42:23the inherited kind.
- 42:23the inherited kind.
- 42:27This was this was the situation.
- 42:27This was this was the situation in England.
- 42:31In order to be a gentleman, it's almost
- 42:33as if it had to run on your
- 42:34blood already.
- 42:36It had to be in your family line.
- 42:38Meanwhile, however, on the other side of the
- 42:42Atlantic, in America, the republic which had just
- 42:45escaped the bit and bridle of British rule.
- 42:49They're fashioning their own definition of what a
- 42:51gentleman is.
- 42:54And here's what John Adams had to say
- 42:56about it.
- 42:58We'll start with Adams first.
- 43:01While serving as ambassador to Britain in 1785
- 43:05to 1788, Adams published his three-volume tome titled
- 43:09A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of
- 43:13the United States of America.
- 43:18Here he wrote that in America, a gentleman
- 43:21no longer meant the rich or the poor,
- 43:24the highborn or the lowborn, the industrious or
- 43:27the idol, but rather all those who have
- 43:30received a liberal education.
- 43:34Bump bum bum, that is a gentleman, someone
- 43:36who's been given a liberal education.
- 43:40He further went on and said an ordinary
- 43:42degree of erudition in liberal arts and sciences.
- 43:45It's what we would call today a classical
- 43:46education.
- 43:49That to us is a classical education.
- 43:53It's the type of education that the founders
- 43:54had.
- 43:56And Adams believed that this education would create
- 43:59an American gentleman.
- 44:02He said, whether by birth they be descended
- 44:05from magistrates and officers of government or from
- 44:08husbandmen, merchants and mechanics or laborers, whether they
- 44:11be rich or whether they be poor.
- 44:26Peter Berkowitz expanded on Adam's thought.
- 44:29Here's what Berkowitz wrote.
- 44:31He said, unlike aristocrats in the old world,
- 44:34the gentleman in America was defined not by
- 44:37lineage and inherited goods, but rather by the
- 44:40qualities he exhibited and the character he cultivated.
- 44:43Hmm.
- 44:44The character he cultivated.
- 44:46You mean this is this is what would
- 44:48make somebody a gentleman.
- 44:50Berkowitz continued.
- 44:51The gentleman was also expected to be reasonable,
- 44:55tolerant, honest, virtuous, and candid, uh, reflecting this
- 45:00shift in the concept of a gentleman between
- 45:04uh Europe and America.
- 45:09Uh that the signers of the Declaration of
- 45:11Independence lived this out.
- 45:14And their number, there were lawyers, plantation owners,
- 45:18farmers, merchants, four physicians, and one printer, Benjamin
- 45:21Franklin.
- 45:25Many of these men hadn't come by their
- 45:28wealth or their position through birthright or inheritance,
- 45:31but instead by their own work and their
- 45:34own ingenuity.
- 45:37Here were makers not only for an American
- 45:40gentleman, but for American manhood in general.
- 45:43A real man made his own way in
- 45:45the world.
- 45:46And with talent and good fortune, he could
- 45:49become one of the elite.
- 45:55It's kind of the foundation of the country.
- 45:57You have the opportunity to be whatever you
- 45:58want to be.
- 46:00But Adams said, really, you need you need
- 46:02this type of education.
- 46:03You need a particular type.
- 46:05What he referred to as a liberal education,
- 46:08we would call the classical education.
- 46:11In 1813, uh, when America was again at
- 46:14war with Britain, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson
- 46:18were exchanging letters back and forth regarding this
- 46:21American aristocracy.
- 46:25Jefferson had pointed out that even in Europe,
- 46:27a change has sensibly taken place in the
- 46:30mind of man.
- 46:32Here's this quote.
- 46:34Science had liberated the ideas of those who
- 46:37read and reflect, and the American example had
- 46:40kindled feelings of right in the people.
- 46:43An insurrection has consequently begun, of science, talents,
- 46:47and courage against rank and birth, which have
- 46:50fallen into contempt.
- 46:54In his reply, Adams began with a now
- 46:57famous remark that there is a natural aristocracy
- 47:00among men, the grounds of which are virtue
- 47:03and talents.
- 47:06This is the new aristocracy.
- 47:08Are you virtuous?
- 47:09Do you have talent?
- 47:11Do you have the ability to persevere and
- 47:15the wherewithal to accompany that perseverance?
- 47:20Adams in his lengthy letter pointed out the
- 47:23variances of talent that will lift men and
- 47:26women into this natural aristocracy.
- 47:30They range from education to physical strength to
- 47:32beauty.
- 47:35He also brought into his discussion the old
- 47:38New England families and the equally old Virginian
- 47:41families, whose offspring still occupied a place of
- 47:44prestige in the public eye, and in government,
- 47:47because of their name and hereditary wealth.
- 47:51Interestingly, there was no mention of George Washington
- 47:54in this discussion, one of the Virginians of
- 47:56old.
- 48:00And of all the famous figures in our
- 48:03history, of course, George Washington stands atop of
- 48:05the list.
- 48:11He more than matched the criteria mentioned by
- 48:14Adams and Jefferson.
- 48:19In an essay of remembrance, written in 1814
- 48:23by Jefferson, some 15 years after Washington's death.
- 48:28Jefferson called Washington a wise, a good, and
- 48:30a great man.
- 48:33In this essay, he noted some of Washington's
- 48:36flaws, such as his temper and his lack,
- 48:39perhaps of formal education.
- 48:42But Jefferson concluded in this quote by saying,
- 48:45it may truly be said that never did
- 48:47nature and fortune combine more perfectly to make
- 48:50a great man.
- 48:53Washington put great belief and bearing and self-control
- 48:56when he he copied out and memorized by
- 49:00heart the 110 rules of civility as a
- 49:00Copied out uh and and memorize by heart
- 49:03teenager.
- 49:03the 110 rules of civility as a teenager.
- 49:07Um he was always aware of his conduct.
- 49:08He was always aware of his conduct.
- 49:11He was always aware of his word choice.
- 49:11He was always aware of his word choice.
- 49:13Yet among all these character traits and virtues
- 49:13Yet among all these character traits and virtues
- 49:16of the gentleman, and so of manhood itself,
- 49:16of the gentleman, and so of manhood itself,
- 49:19none more important than honor and reputation stood
- 49:19none more important than honor and reputation stood
- 49:21out to Washington.
- 49:21out to Washington.
- 49:24Honor and reputation.
- 49:24Honor and reputation.
- 49:28There's this theme here.
- 49:28There's this theme here that we've kind of
- 49:30lost.
- 49:32We've kind of lost honor and reputation.
- 49:36I mean, when you have when you have
- 49:38kids at Princeton that have signed the honor
- 49:41code, that they're not going to cheat.
- 49:43And as they're taking an unproctored exam, if
- 49:47they were concerned about honor and about their
- 49:50reputation, they would uphold the honor code.
- 49:55Uh we've lost these two things.
- 49:59In his book, Honor a History, James Bowman
- 50:03notes Washington's deep affection for Cato, a tragedy,
- 50:06which uh was Joseph Addison's play about virtuous,
- 50:09about the virtuous defender of the Roman Republic.
- 50:13Uh, Washington had arranged for this play to
- 50:16be performed for his soldiers at Valley Forge.
- 50:20He had hoped it would be a lesson
- 50:24in Republican virtues and the cultivation of honor,
- 50:28because Washington believed in the cultivation of honor.
- 50:32He wanted his men to be immersed in
- 50:34the cultivation of honor.
- 50:36In other words, he wanted to create a
- 50:39culture in which honor was put on a
- 50:42pedestal.
- 50:46Um regarding the recruitment of officers for the
- 50:49Continental Army, Washington wrote to then Governor Patrick
- 50:52Henry of Virginia, 1776.
- 50:55Here's what he said about his officers.
- 50:57He said that the true criterion to judge
- 51:00by is to consider whether the candidate for
- 51:03office has a just pretension to the character
- 51:06of a gentleman, a proper sense of honor,
- 51:09and some reputation to lose.
- 51:12If you have reputation to lose, and Washington's
- 51:15estimation, you you're going to shoot to do
- 51:17the right thing.
- 51:20And you're going to be honorable in doing
- 51:22it.
- 51:23Even a cursory look at American history from
- 51:26the revolution to the Civil War reveals the
- 51:29premier place of a code of honor among
- 51:32men, often violently enforced.
- 51:35For example, the duel of Aaron Burr and
- 51:37Alexander Hamilton.
- 51:39The duels and brawls fought by Andrew Jackson
- 51:41in defense of his wife's reputation.
- 51:44The dispatching of ships and marines to fight
- 51:47in Tripoli, when Thomas Jefferson deemed the nation's
- 51:49honor at stake.
- 51:52And these instances and more, honor demanded a
- 51:55response.
- 51:59Following the Civil War, when Robert E.
- 52:03Lee was president of Washington College, a new
- 52:05student asked him for a copy of the
- 52:07rules.
- 52:09We have but one rule here, Lee replied.
- 52:13And it is that every student must be
- 52:16a gentleman, which encompassed a lot of a
- 52:19great many things.
- 52:22Born into an age in which the concept
- 52:25of manhood is denigrated or viewed with suspicion.
- 52:28The word gentleman is seldom heard.
- 52:30Young men today would likely find such a
- 52:32rule incomprehensible.
- 52:34Well, what does it mean to even be
- 52:35a gentleman?
- 52:37Boys can be taught table manners and other
- 52:39forms of etiquette.
- 52:41But as may be construed from earlier generations,
- 52:43these were the lower rungs of a ladder
- 52:46and the climb to manhood and becoming a
- 52:48gentleman.
- 52:51The rest of what it means to be
- 52:54a man is learned by emulation, by learning
- 52:57and copying from other worthy men.
- 53:00The founding fathers learned virtue and honor from
- 53:02scripture, from Roman history, such as Plutarch's Lives
- 53:05and Livy's Histories and from their fathers and
- 53:08teachers and mentors.
- 53:11Washington had his copy book and his Cato.
- 53:14Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton immersed themselves in
- 53:17Cicero, admiring his eloquence and his bold defense
- 53:20of the republic against tyranny.
- 53:25What do we have today?
- 53:26We have Captain Underpants.
- 53:28That's what we have.
- 53:30As some 21st century men and women tried
- 53:33to reassemble the puzzle pieces, as it were,
- 53:36the puzzle pieces of manhood, models of manhood
- 53:38are often missing.
- 53:42Far too many boys are raised without fathers,
- 53:45or perhaps worse, raised by indifferent fathers.
- 53:48Far too many males remain adolescents into their
- 53:5220s, having taken as their models celebrities, social
- 53:55media influencers, and other contemporary icons.
- 53:59This passage from C.S.
- 54:01Lewis's The Abolition of Man strikes the nail
- 54:03squarely on the head.
- 54:06It's one of our favorites here.
- 54:08Here's this quote.
- 54:10In a sort of ghastly simplicity, we remove
- 54:12the organ and demand the function.
- 54:15We make men without chests and expect of
- 54:17them virtue and enterprise.
- 54:19We laugh at honor and are shocked to
- 54:21find traitors in our midst.
- 54:23We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.
- 54:28If we wish to make men rather than
- 54:30geldings, we need not reach back to ancient
- 54:32Rome.
- 54:33We can teach the young through the examples
- 54:36of Americans who deserve their attention.
- 54:38This is why history class becomes so important
- 54:40to us.
- 54:42Americans such as Washington and Adams, Lincoln and
- 54:44Booker T.
- 54:46Washington.
- 54:48Reading and studying the lives of these men
- 54:51and women, such as their virtues and their
- 54:53flaws will aid immensely in creating a generation
- 54:56of men.
- 54:59And that's what we need more than anything,
- 55:01a generation of men.
- 55:03Just as importantly, the young require living examples
- 55:07of good men, fathers, teachers, mentors, clergy, individuals
- 55:11who will practice virtue and honor.
- 55:15To make gentlemen, we must first of all
- 55:17make men.
- 55:20That's what's what's got to happen.
- 55:24First and foremost, we need to make men.
- 55:29We um clearly we need to restore honor
- 55:32and reputation once again.
- 55:36Honor and reputation.
- 55:37It should come back.
- 55:39We need it to come back.
- 55:42And uh maybe we start by not blaming
- 55:44AI because of all the cheating.
- 55:47Maybe we start by blaming ourselves because we
- 55:51need to raise individuals who are going to
- 55:54be gentlemen and who are going to be
- 55:57ladies in the way it was viewed upon
- 56:00It was viewed upon by the early American
- 56:01by the early American founders.
- 56:02founders.
- 56:05That's my take today, my friends.
- 56:06That's my take today, my friends.
- 56:08That's it.
- 56:08That's it.
- 56:08That's my rant.
- 56:08That's my rant.
- 56:09That's that's my two cent rant.
- 56:09That's that's my two cent rant.
- 56:12I guess take it for what it's worth.
- 56:12I guess take it for what it's worth.
- 56:14But I'm right.
- 56:14But I'm right.
- 56:15I can tell you that right now.
- 56:15I can tell you that right now.
- 56:17I am not wrong on this front.
- 56:17I am not wrong on this front.
- 56:19All right.
- 56:19All right.
- 56:20But unfortunately, that's it.
- 56:20But unfortunately, that's it.
- 56:22We are we are plum out of time.
- 56:22We are we are plum out of time.
- 56:23I wish we had more time to dive
- 56:23I wish we had more time to dive
- 56:24into it.
- 56:24into it.
- 56:25Perhaps tomorrow.
- 56:25Perhaps tomorrow.
- 56:26There's always tomorrow.
- 56:26There's always tomorrow.
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