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Sharri | 9 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why On scone News, this is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Night. This evening, senior coalition figures urge Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 2: to target labor seats not their own in order to
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Speaker 2: boot the Albanezy government from office. I'll bring you this
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Speaker 2: exclusive in a moment the ABC, major media companies and
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Speaker 2: social media giants will be summoned to give evidence that
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission our scoop coming up and why the
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Speaker 2: ABC boss Hugh Marx should resign or apologize after he
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Speaker 2: defended the indefensible Grace team today. But first tonight, senior
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Speaker 2: coalition figures are urging One Nation to target labor seats
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Speaker 2: not their own, in order to boot the Albanese government
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Speaker 2: from office. It comes as Tony Abbott has endorsed a
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Speaker 2: preference deal with One Nation, signaling a clear pathway to
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Speaker 2: ending the Albanese government. The combine find primary vote for
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Speaker 2: One Nation and the coalition is sitting at around fifty percent.
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Speaker 2: There is a Conservative vote big enough to win an election.
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Speaker 2: Abbott told the newspapers today that as a general rule,
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Speaker 2: it makes sense for parties of the right to preference
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Speaker 2: each other, just as parties of the left have always done.
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Speaker 2: Now this is a common sense position, and it's far
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Speaker 2: from exceptional in a sense, it's what the Conservative parties
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Speaker 2: did in the Phara by election. Without a preference deal,
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Speaker 2: one nation's rise risks doing the opposite of what its
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Speaker 2: voters want, cementing Labor in power. WA Liberal leader Basil
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Speaker 2: Zemplus was on a similar page indicating he had an
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Speaker 2: open mind to working with one Nation.
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Speaker 3: They are a rising political movement and because of that,
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Speaker 3: one Nation deserve respect and if their support holds it
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Speaker 3: inevitably it will be people in my position's job to
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Speaker 3: find a way to work with or alongside one nation.
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Speaker 3: That will be important, and it's something that at this stage,
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Speaker 3: almost three years away from our next state election, I
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Speaker 3: have an open mind about.
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Speaker 2: On one level, a preference agreement between the coalition and
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Speaker 2: one Nation could be the difference between victory and defeat
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Speaker 2: both in Victoria and federally. But senior coalition figures tell
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Speaker 2: me the problem is that one Nation is spending its
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Speaker 2: time and money in coalition seats. They're targeting easy wins
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Speaker 2: in seats already held by Nationals or Liberals, and this
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Speaker 2: doesn't help boot the Albaneze government out of office. It
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Speaker 2: only fractures the conservative side of politics, while Labour sits
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Speaker 2: back and benefits. It's similar to the Teals who primarily
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Speaker 2: taken seats off the Liberals, not Labor. Now. I ask
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Speaker 2: Nationals leader Matt Canavan about this today and here's what
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Speaker 2: he said. He said, if Pauline wants to be Prime minister,
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Speaker 2: we have to win seats off labor. So the focus
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Speaker 2: should be on the labor seats. One nation can't weaken
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Speaker 2: the coalition and then expect it to do the job
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Speaker 2: of successfully winning seats in marginal areas held by labor.
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Speaker 2: This isn't a strategy to defeat the alban Ezy government.
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Speaker 2: It's a strategy that helps labor survive the mounting anger
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Speaker 2: against it. One nation needs to fight seats from labor.
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Speaker 2: That is if its aim is truly to kick the
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Speaker 2: alban Ezy government out of office. And if they don't
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Speaker 2: do this, it's cements Alban easy in power and just
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Speaker 2: Inta Allen too. If the strategy is the same at
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Speaker 2: the Victorian election, well, Angus Taylor has started sounding this message.
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Speaker 2: He says, if the Conservative vote sprays, then Labor stays.
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Speaker 4: The vote spray's in a general election, then Labor will
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Speaker 4: stay and I firmly believe that Australians want to get
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Speaker 4: rid of this rotten Labor government.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen herself is considering a Lower House run, but
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Speaker 2: the three seats she's looking at are right, Blair and Capricornia.
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Speaker 2: Now Wright is held by Liberal National MP Scott book Olts.
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Speaker 2: The Capricornier MP is Michelle Landry, also LNP, while Blair
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Speaker 2: is held by Labour's Shane Newman. So if Pauline's goal
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Speaker 2: is really to target Albansi, then she needs to start
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Speaker 2: taking seats off Labor. She should be looking at Blair.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Albanese is sitting on ninety four seats. This
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Speaker 2: is the mountain the coalition and one nation both need
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Speaker 2: to climb, not each other. Blair is where Pauline is from.
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Speaker 2: But you'll find it easier to win by targeting one
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Speaker 2: of the coalition seats. But easy wins against Conservatives won't
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Speaker 2: change the government or the nation. They'll only divide the
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Speaker 2: vote that could. But what's clear is that the anger
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Speaker 2: at the Albaneze government is now visceral. It's eighteen months
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Speaker 2: from an election, but it's clear voters believe our nation
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Speaker 2: is going in the wrong direction. Barnaby Joyce says that
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Speaker 2: the turning point for One Nation and against Albanezi was
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Speaker 2: the Bondai terror attack. He says this, people think it's
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Speaker 2: just migration. It's migration and everything else. Migration is merely
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Speaker 2: one issue. There was a political bomb ready to go
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Speaker 2: off and Bondi lit the fuse. And in a sense
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Speaker 2: he's right. A bloody massacre where a little girl was
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Speaker 2: killed at Australia's most famous beach. Is there a sign
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Speaker 2: that our country isn't what it used to be. And
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Speaker 2: this happened partly because of the negligence of the Albanese government,
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Speaker 2: which failed to properly fund counter terrorism despite the clear
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Speaker 2: and repeated warnings from ASIO about the threat antisemitism posed.
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Speaker 2: It was also a turning point because the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: himself resisted for nearly a month doing the decent thing,
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Speaker 2: the right thing that all Australians wanted in calling a
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Speaker 2: royal commission. He was more concerned about protecting his skin
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Speaker 2: politically than making sure another terror attack that claimed Jewish
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Speaker 2: lives didn't happen again. Australian saw all of this heartlessness
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Speaker 2: and that's why they stopped supporting Labor as Barnaby Joyce
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Speaker 2: says since then, the mishandling of the economy and Labour's
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Speaker 2: toxic budget has only reinforced the view that the Albanezy
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Speaker 2: government is driving Australia in the wrong direction, and it's
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Speaker 2: a direction that's heading for disaster. Well tonight proof the
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Speaker 2: ABC has lost its moral compass. On live radio today,
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Speaker 2: the ABC's managing director Hugh Marx defended hiring Grace tame
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Speaker 2: and even applauded her as someone young women should look
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Speaker 2: up to. This is despite Grace Tamee making these unconscionable
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Speaker 2: remarks one my time.
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Speaker 5: From Gago to Naha Globe.
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Speaker 6: Aline Timney's texted in saying can you please ask Grace
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Speaker 6: why she's selective in her outrage? She says, I've never
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Speaker 6: heard her condemn or speak out on behalf of the
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Speaker 6: Israeli women who were raped and killed by her mass.
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to sink to the level of entertaining
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Speaker 2: any kind of propaganda Hamish.
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Speaker 6: There have been those things have been debunked.
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Speaker 2: Calling to globalized the INTERFATA is calling to repeat the
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Speaker 2: slaughter of innocent families. On October seven here in Australia,
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Speaker 2: now Tame says she understood the phrase to be a
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Speaker 2: call for widespread resistance against the actions of Israel, but
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Speaker 2: she can't have her own different meaning. What I've said
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Speaker 2: is what it means to most Australians. Yet Hugh Marx
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Speaker 2: has today positioned Grace Tame as a person young women
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Speaker 2: look up to. He was speaking to Sally Sara on
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Speaker 2: Radio National.
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Speaker 7: I understand why people feel Grace shouldn't have a program
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Speaker 7: on the ABC, given you the controversy that's reported and
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Speaker 7: associated with many of her comments, But I think if
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Speaker 7: you look at the program itself, you know it's a
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Speaker 7: great podcast, that she's done a great job on a
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Speaker 7: topic that I'm sure will be of real interest and
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Speaker 7: real importance to many Australians who suffer from the conditions,
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Speaker 7: and particularly young Australians and young Australian women.
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Speaker 2: Well, Hugh Marx is ill educated and naive dangerously, so
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Speaker 2: he's reinforcing Grace Tame's position as a role model for
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Speaker 2: young Australian women who will then hold her up on
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Speaker 2: a pedestal and be influenced by her and by her
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Speaker 2: views on other topics like Zionists, which as we know,
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Speaker 2: only encourages hatred and then violence toward the Jewish community.
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Speaker 2: This is what the ABC is funding. You can't judge
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Speaker 2: an individual's dangerous views in isolation. You can't set them
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Speaker 2: aside and say, oh, the person is worth listening to
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Speaker 2: in other areas. Now you have to ask yourself, would
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Speaker 2: the ABC ask one of those well known neo Nazis
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Speaker 2: to make a podcast on some benign topic. Of course
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't. The ABC would immediately understand that platforming the
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Speaker 2: neo Nazi would give an implied tolerance to his position
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Speaker 2: and his views. It would be seen as legitimizing them. Now,
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Speaker 2: this is my greatest problem with the left. It continues
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Speaker 2: to elevate and platform people who express dangerous views against Jews.
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Speaker 2: The ABC cares about racism against every minority group under
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Speaker 2: the sun. It cares about discrimination against LGDBQI, against Trance,
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Speaker 2: against Muslims, against Indigenous people, but not against Jews. And suddenly,
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Speaker 2: when the hatred is directed towards Jews, there are excuses,
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Speaker 2: there is context, there is nuance. Why is that there
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Speaker 2: are countless Australian women who could have hosted this podcast? Survivors, advocates, journalists, experts.
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Speaker 2: It didn't have to be Grace team, she wasn't their
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Speaker 2: only option. In this interview this morning, Hugh Marx dismissed
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Speaker 2: her comments as simply controversial, not racist, not anti Semitic,
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Speaker 2: not dangerous, and not possibly even inciting violence. Here he
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Speaker 2: is again.
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Speaker 7: Acknowledging that, you know, with some of the people that
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Speaker 7: we work with, sometimes there will be controversy. So you know,
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Speaker 7: I've spoken to Grace and I know you know what
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Speaker 7: she really abhorses violence of any kind, particularly violence against
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Speaker 7: women and children. And I think everybody can relate to
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Speaker 7: what she really believes in.
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Speaker 2: Oh, he spoke to her. He knows what she really
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Speaker 2: believes in. No hu marks. She specifically said on air
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Speaker 2: that the violent rape of Jewish women on October seven
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Speaker 2: was propaganda. She doesn't care about violence against all women
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Speaker 2: and children. Hugh Marx doesn't get to wave this away
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Speaker 2: by saying he has spoken to her privately and so
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Speaker 2: he knows what she really believes. Yes, and why is
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Speaker 2: a senior figure at the ABC covering for her. He
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Speaker 2: should genuinely lose his job over this or apologize retract
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Speaker 2: his comments. It's disgraceful.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 2: Good on Sally Sarah for asking him the questions, but
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Speaker 2: his answers revealed the problem. While many others canceled contracts
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Speaker 2: or events with Grace Tame, that ABC did the opposite.
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Speaker 2: It has paid her, probably handsomely, and the ABC is
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Speaker 2: using your taxpayer funds to support and promote someone who
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Speaker 2: has expressed racist views and has called for a violent
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Speaker 2: uprising in Australia. This is no longer just about Grace Tame.
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Speaker 2: It's about the ABC. Sky News host James Morrow and
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Speaker 2: Faber Labor chief of staff Camera Milna join me now
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Speaker 2: and let's stick with that topic. James, you heard Grace
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Speaker 2: Tame's comments Hugh Marx defending her. I mean, what fantasy
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Speaker 2: land is he living in?
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Speaker 8: Well, it is a fantasy land with Grace Tame. And
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Speaker 8: I have to say, Sharry, with every one of these
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Speaker 8: controversies between the ABC and Grace Tame, Yes, what Grace
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Speaker 8: Tame says and has stood for and stands for is
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Speaker 8: reprehensible and it's terrible that the ABC is platforming this.
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Speaker 8: But there's a certain point at which the ABC, in
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Speaker 8: doing this, makes itself look like even more of an irrelevancy,
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Speaker 8: like it's just becoming this kind of sheltered workshop for
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Speaker 8: people and commentators who are otherwise unemployable anywhere else in
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Speaker 8: the media. And at the same time, you know, the
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Speaker 8: proof that all of this isn't working for them is
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Speaker 8: in the fact that their ratings keep going down. You know,
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Speaker 8: people aren't watching this stuff, people aren't consuming it. If
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Speaker 8: we had a different government then there would be that
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Speaker 8: would be held to account for the budget more than
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Speaker 8: a billion dollars a year that we give them. But
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Speaker 8: you know, it's really I think it has to be
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Speaker 8: seen in the broader context of the increasing irrelevancy of
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Speaker 8: the so called national broadcaster.
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Speaker 2: And in fact they got even more money in the
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Speaker 2: latest budget. But Cameron, what do you think about those
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Speaker 2: comments from Hugh Marx telling us all what he's spoken
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Speaker 2: to Grace and this is what she really meant.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's the great guarantee, isn't it. But show it
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Speaker 9: To the point James was making before, it's not your ABC,
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Speaker 9: it's not my ABC, it's their ABC. It's been their
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Speaker 9: ABC for a very long time to basically channel and
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Speaker 9: platform hate towards certain certain sections of society and condemn
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Speaker 9: certain views that aus Australians hold. That's what the ABC
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Speaker 9: now stands for. So I'm not surprised by hu Marks
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Speaker 9: providing Grace Tame, who I thought stood for something, stood
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Speaker 9: for something decent and reasonable when she was Australian of
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Speaker 9: the Year, but no longer. She's a pathetic sideshow. I mean,
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Speaker 9: that hateful eight for buile that she's spewed at the
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Speaker 9: Sydney Town Hall has no place, not in Australia and
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Speaker 9: certainly not on a taxpayer funded ABC. And Humorrk should
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Speaker 9: stay condemned for trying to get a headline out of
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Speaker 9: this cheap shot from Grace Taym.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty awful. And you know, I'll get to this
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Speaker 2: with Ben English a bit later, but I hope the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission looks at this is one example. Well, let's
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Speaker 2: turn to the leadership speculation that Ben Carroll may be
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Speaker 2: about to roll just into Allen. Now, the Victorian Premier
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Speaker 2: downplayed this today.
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Speaker 5: That's not my way, it's not my labor government's way,
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Speaker 5: and we'll keep doing the hard work.
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Speaker 2: Like knowledge. There's a few anonymous people, a small number.
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Speaker 5: They might be interested in naval gazing.
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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm absolutely not. And who was there to
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Speaker 2: defend her today, Well, of course her mate Albow.
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Speaker 10: The premier is doing a great job, and the premiers
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Speaker 10: are proud a regional representative as well. It's a great
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Speaker 10: things that a local here in Bendigo is the premier
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Speaker 10: of Victoria and Jasin is doing a great job. She
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Speaker 10: absolutely is the best person not to lead Labor, to
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Speaker 10: lead Victoria.
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Speaker 2: Oh James, that has got to be his biggest lie today.
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Speaker 2: She's doing a great job.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 8: And he'll say that fifty times. He'll say that fifty times.
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Speaker 8: To help between now and the electric Demini Sharia, I
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Speaker 8: wish sometimes people could see kind of behind the scenes
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Speaker 8: at these sort of TV shows, because when Alberdezy said
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Speaker 8: just said to Alan is doing a great job. I
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Speaker 8: can tell you that everybody on this set just cracked up.
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Speaker 8: It is the most preposterous thing. You know. This comes after,
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Speaker 8: by the way, or the twenty four or forty eight
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Speaker 8: hours of Outraged cycle because somebody drove a van around
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Speaker 8: around Melbourne with ditch the witch. I noted that one
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Speaker 8: of the Age columnists they were most offended by the
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Speaker 8: fact that it was on the back of a diesel truck.
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Speaker 8: You know, it shows you everything you need to know
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Speaker 8: about what they're really upset about. If you were living
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Speaker 8: in Melbourne, you would be like so of fitted by
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Speaker 8: everything else, the machetes, the crime, the corruption, the fact
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Speaker 8: that the state is broke. You know, the idea that
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Speaker 8: this woman is doing a great job, this is George orwell,
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Speaker 8: this is we have always been at war with East
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Speaker 8: Asia level nonsense.
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Speaker 2: How could we say it with a straight face.
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Speaker 1: Well, and it's.
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Speaker 8: Ridiculous because you know, this is a guy whose poll
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Speaker 8: numbers are on the nose too nationally and in Victoria,
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Speaker 8: which is there there.
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Speaker 2: He probably thinks he's doing it, he's doing a.
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Speaker 8: Job, but people go to look at this and say, really,
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Speaker 8: the guy with the credibility problem is really backing this in.
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Speaker 2: Come on exactly, Cameron as a Labor Party operative, do
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Speaker 2: you think the party will and should roll us into
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Speaker 2: Alan and replace her with Ben Carroll? What are we
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Speaker 2: you know six months out from the election?
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Speaker 9: Well, I thought you said it was doing really well
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Speaker 9: until she got the elbow.
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Speaker 11: Kiss of death.
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Speaker 9: Today, I mean I'm having the host unpopular Prime ministry memory.
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Speaker 9: Endorsing her is hardly a good start to the week.
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Speaker 9: But look, no, I think the situation is that is
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Speaker 9: that late Labor's got to explain what it's doing right
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Speaker 9: in Victoria, and they doing some things right. They have
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Speaker 9: an awful lot of Andrew's legacy to get over and
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Speaker 9: I admit that's an issue and a problem going to
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Speaker 9: thru to November. But I'm not sure change the leadership
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Speaker 9: fixes their problem. I think Labor's has got to get
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Speaker 9: out there and talk to people and work out why
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Speaker 9: people are angry to the point before, you know, talk
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Speaker 9: to people in the community the way Pauline does, and
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Speaker 9: actually get out there on the hustings and campaign hard.
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Speaker 9: And in Victoria, Jess Wilson's got Pauline Hanson against her
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Speaker 9: as well as just Into Allen, so it's going to
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Speaker 9: make it a very interesting election come November.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a bit late for Justinto Allen
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Speaker 2: to listen to people. I think, you know, she's just
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Speaker 2: got to go. She's deeply unpopular with Victorian's But speaking
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Speaker 2: of a listening to her, I mean that is what
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Speaker 2: Tony Abbott is now doing. James, and he's also said
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Speaker 2: he's open to a preference deal with one Nation. I
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Speaker 2: mean that's a good sign if they do a preference steal, but.
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Speaker 8: I don't know that it's a good sign. Why well,
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Speaker 8: because if you're going to one nation looking for a
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Speaker 8: preference steal, it kind of shows who's the driver seat,
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Speaker 8: doesn't it. You know? I mean, you know, Tony Abbott
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Speaker 8: brings a lot of really great campaigning experience and intellectual
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Speaker 8: ballast to the Liberal Party. But the Liberal Party is
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Speaker 8: you know, you look at every poll that comes out
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Speaker 8: the news pall the Roy Morgan numbers that just dropped
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Speaker 8: a little while ago. You know, one nation is in
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Speaker 8: the driver's seat, is really getting to the point where
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Speaker 8: they don't need the coalition. So the Coalition making a
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Speaker 8: deal with one dation under these circumstances. The time to
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Speaker 8: do this was weeks ago or months ago, but now
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Speaker 8: the tides running out on them looks desperate.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Cameron, what about you know the sentiment from
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Speaker 2: senior Coalition figures that I spoke about at the start
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Speaker 2: of the show. You know, I made a lot of
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Speaker 2: phone calls on this today and the anger behind the
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Speaker 2: scene from Coalition figures is that, well, Pauline Hansen is
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Speaker 2: targeting their seats. If she wants to change the government,
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Speaker 2: as she says, then why doesn't she target labor seats?
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Speaker 2: That's what the Coalition figures are saying, do you think
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Speaker 2: this is right?
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Speaker 9: Well, well I think it is. But why wouldn't she
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Speaker 9: I mean, she's a send it to your point, James.
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Speaker 9: She's two and a half times ahead of them basically
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Speaker 9: in terms of pauling. So in terms of where she sits.
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Speaker 9: If she wants to be the Government of Australia, which
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Speaker 9: she says she wants to be, if she wants to
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Speaker 9: be the prime minister, as she said she wants to be,
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Speaker 9: then she needs all their seats as well as well
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Speaker 9: as some labor seats. So of course she's going to
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Speaker 9: go after colision. So the coalition kind of saying, we'll
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Speaker 9: give you a preference deal, Paulie, Well, please don't come
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Speaker 9: after us. I mean, if that's pathetic, I mean, stand
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Speaker 9: on your own two feet, fight, fight your own corner.
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Speaker 9: But the reality is, and here's the big question, Angus,
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Speaker 9: Taylor goes down a preference steel Okay, tick the.
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Speaker 12: Box first day of the campaign.
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Speaker 9: If Pauline gets more seats than you will you make
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Speaker 9: her Prime Minister, Angus, And for the rest of the
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Speaker 9: campaign he's dead man walking. That's the problem.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Cameron, I just want to stick with you for
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Speaker 2: a moment, because you've written a piece in the Nightly.
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Speaker 2: Where are you write that the antidote to one Nation
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Speaker 2: is for alban easy to talk to fed up voters,
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Speaker 2: but that he's too our again and Angus Taylor is
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Speaker 2: to aloof. I mean, I don't know. I just think
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Speaker 2: the anger now is visceral against Albani. If he talked
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Speaker 2: to voters, he'd just be smashed by them. And your
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Speaker 2: riot is too arrogant. He'll never accept that he did
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Speaker 2: anything wrong. He never does, even when he has to backflip. No,
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Speaker 2: he won't admit he got it wrong in the first place.
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Speaker 9: No, and he led his way through the last budget
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Speaker 9: as well. So to add to the problem, No, I
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Speaker 9: mean my issue here is that is that labor and
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Speaker 9: liberals have actually got the tools within their kick back
21:22
Speaker 9: go and do what Pauline's doing, which is go and
21:24
Speaker 9: talk to angry people, Go to shopping centers, go to
21:27
Speaker 9: high streets, actually hear what people have got to say,
21:29
Speaker 9: rather than doing this confected made for media opportunities, you know,
21:32
Speaker 9: hiding behind an Australian flag and you know, and Torres
21:35
Speaker 9: straight islander flag the way the way Albow does. No,
21:38
Speaker 9: I mean getting out and meeting people would actually be
21:40
Speaker 9: the real antidote to actually what's happening with one nation's
21:43
Speaker 9: politics and the proof of the pudding.
21:44
Speaker 1: Peter Beatty did that.
21:46
Speaker 9: And one in a landslide. He had one nation get
21:49
Speaker 9: a huge number of seats in ninety eight and in
21:51
Speaker 9: two thousand and one won a landslide. Why because he
21:53
Speaker 9: went out and talked to people, asked them what their
21:55
Speaker 9: concerns were, and went back with an answer.
21:57
Speaker 2: James quick.
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Speaker 8: Look, I just think that if albut he's in Angus
22:00
Speaker 8: Taylor went out on the high Street and when talking
22:02
Speaker 8: to businesses, they'd get smashed, the optics would be terrible,
22:06
Speaker 8: and their media advisors would never let them do it.
22:09
Speaker 5: Yeah.
22:09
Speaker 2: Our is probably going to do a Joe Biden and
22:11
Speaker 2: bunk it down in hiding, given how I'm popular he
22:14
Speaker 2: is at the moment. All right, certainly in this building anyway,
22:17
Speaker 2: Keo the pandemic camer Jay Sorrow. Great to see both,
22:23
Speaker 2: all right. Today I exclusively revealed on Sky News that
22:26
Speaker 2: the ABC, major media companies and social media giants will
22:30
Speaker 2: be called to give evidence to the Royal Commission Commission
22:33
Speaker 2: of Virginia. Bell has set aside a hearing block. The
22:37
Speaker 2: third hearing block likely from June twenty nine to hear
22:40
Speaker 2: this evidence, and this comes after the ABC and other
22:44
Speaker 2: media were a common theme in submissions very quickly. As
22:49
Speaker 2: spokesman for the Royal Commission told me today, Hearing Bloc
22:52
Speaker 2: three will address a number of examples of anti Semitism
22:55
Speaker 2: that afflicts many parts of Australian society and will include
22:58
Speaker 2: a particular focus on institutions and industries that have been
23:02
Speaker 2: identified in numerous submissions as area of concern, and one
23:05
Speaker 2: such area is social media and the harm caused by
23:08
Speaker 2: dissemination of online anti semitism. And joining me now is
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Speaker 2: our Tuesday regular guest Daily Telegraph editor Ben English. Ben,
23:17
Speaker 2: Great to see you, Great to see you. This is
23:19
Speaker 2: a good development, great development.
23:21
Speaker 4: Bring it on, Bring it on, Shari, and it's well
23:24
Speaker 4: over time when you actually can go right back to
23:27
Speaker 4: October seven and even beyond. ABC is probably one of
23:31
Speaker 4: the chief culprits that has incuriously accepted all the propagandas
23:35
Speaker 4: spewed by Hamas, particularly about severe casualties, for example, and
23:39
Speaker 4: has never really litigated or prosecuted that that information. So
23:44
Speaker 4: that alone is reason enough, let alone the bile that
23:47
Speaker 4: they spew about the pro Palestinian so called protests in
23:51
Speaker 4: Sydney and everything else that's you know that unfortunately has
23:55
Speaker 4: transpired since their coverage has been anything but balanced exactly.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's too many examples to actually give, but
24:02
Speaker 2: there have been multiple occasions where they have reported completely
24:06
Speaker 2: false information, as you say from her Mus. You know
24:08
Speaker 2: that Israel bombed a hospital just one example. I mean,
24:13
Speaker 2: that's not journalism.
24:14
Speaker 11: That's not journalism.
24:15
Speaker 4: And that is the point is that basically they've got
24:17
Speaker 4: a whole cadre of people who are activists and they're
24:20
Speaker 4: masquerading as journalism, and I actually don't understand what journalism is.
24:23
Speaker 4: A lot of them they just think that it's actually
24:25
Speaker 4: a platform for them to put their right on opinions.
24:30
Speaker 2: There's also this is my opinion and if you agree
24:33
Speaker 2: with me, but you know, publications like the nine newspapers,
24:37
Speaker 2: the Herald and the Age have demonized Israel every day
24:42
Speaker 2: over a two and a half year period. You know,
24:44
Speaker 2: pieces such as not in my Name as a Jew.
24:46
Speaker 2: That's been the common theme. And I think this contributes
24:49
Speaker 2: to the problem as well, because it demonizes Israel, demonized
24:54
Speaker 2: as Zionists, and then it creates this anger which is
24:58
Speaker 2: then directed towards Australian Jews.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, it comes down to balance. I mean there's of
25:02
Speaker 4: course it's more than legitimate to discuss and debate and
25:07
Speaker 4: even criticize Benjamin NETTNYA who's policies and his approaches. But
25:12
Speaker 4: to your point, these publications are just pulverized their readers
25:17
Speaker 4: with overwhelming criticism, and there's this a complete lack of balance.
25:21
Speaker 11: So yeahs and.
25:23
Speaker 2: Social media giants. I mean, we've seen how much this
25:27
Speaker 2: dangerous ideology has spread online, the propaganda from Iran, from Hamas,
25:32
Speaker 2: and so I hope serious questions are asked by the
25:35
Speaker 2: Royal Commission about what the tech giants have done.
25:38
Speaker 11: Just on TikTok.
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Speaker 4: I think there was a figure that came out last
25:41
Speaker 4: year that for every one pro Israel post that goes out.
25:45
Speaker 11: There's twenty seven against. So like that just gives you
25:49
Speaker 11: a little taste of it. It will be no different on
25:51
Speaker 11: meta as well.
25:52
Speaker 1: So bring it all.
25:53
Speaker 2: There are serious questions asked of the tech giants, and
25:56
Speaker 2: if it is a public hearing, it'll be fascinating.
25:59
Speaker 11: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to this or more than any other aspect, because.
26:03
Speaker 2: Some of it. They might allow that extremist content for money.
26:07
Speaker 4: That's right, Well, that is their business model is to
26:11
Speaker 4: lean towards extremism, and there's a willing audience there really
26:15
Speaker 4: to be monetized.
26:16
Speaker 2: I want to turn to your front page today because
26:18
Speaker 2: you had this incredible story about how labor is so
26:21
Speaker 2: spooked by one nation that it's running ads begging supporters
26:26
Speaker 2: to chip in twenty seven dollars to stop piling Hanson
26:29
Speaker 2: turning momentum into seats, so that this is.
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Speaker 4: Extraordinary stuff for two years out from the election, and
26:37
Speaker 4: this is full blown panic. These guys are terrified. And
26:41
Speaker 4: you know, it was hilarious today to hear Don Ferrell saying, oh,
26:45
Speaker 4: We've got nothing to fear from one nation. I was like, oh,
26:47
Speaker 4: I've got nothing to fear from, you know, the boogeyman.
26:51
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was terrific to see that this exposed.
26:56
Speaker 4: And then we've got a sequel tomorrow which you'll come to.
26:58
Speaker 11: And I said, well, let's have a look at it.
26:59
Speaker 2: This is page tomorrow. Let's pull it up if we've
27:02
Speaker 2: got it.
27:03
Speaker 1: Okay.
27:03
Speaker 11: So, so basically.
27:05
Speaker 2: Fighting liar with fire they have.
27:08
Speaker 4: They've basically taken the exact ad and almost on a
27:10
Speaker 4: fact simile. But they're just saying that they've twisted nation
27:14
Speaker 4: has one nation, so they've taken Labour's ad and they've
27:17
Speaker 4: put on it Fire the Liar. And this is a
27:21
Speaker 4: great example right of how it doesn't matter what the
27:23
Speaker 4: main party is trying.
27:24
Speaker 11: To do here, they's screwed.
27:26
Speaker 4: But basically one nation just turns it on its head
27:28
Speaker 4: and makes makes them another parody.
27:30
Speaker 2: I have the ring to it, doesn't it Fire the liar?
27:33
Speaker 11: Yeah, I can see it's.
27:34
Speaker 2: Sticking as good as Kevin O seven.
27:36
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's it's sticking with me anyway.
27:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, fire the long.
27:39
Speaker 11: Well also it's got truth at its heart.
27:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's your front page. So this is one
27:44
Speaker 2: nation just taking the piece in a way, and they're
27:47
Speaker 2: calling for donations to.
27:49
Speaker 11: Labor out totally.
27:50
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look they'll take the money, but it's
27:53
Speaker 4: just another example the momentum is now so overwarming against
27:57
Speaker 4: against Albanize particularly but also for one nation. I mean,
28:00
Speaker 4: we saw that documentary on the weekend that James Campbell did.
28:04
Speaker 4: It is as you said, it's visceral hatred against Albow,
28:07
Speaker 4: but also it's palpable the enthusiasm for Hanson and it
28:12
Speaker 4: goes beyond just disaffected, disgruntle voter.
28:15
Speaker 11: Is actually it's broadening and its appeal.
28:18
Speaker 2: Where do you think your readers sit. Are they still
28:20
Speaker 2: sticking with the coalition or they moving over to Pauline?
28:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really great question. If you look at
28:26
Speaker 4: our comments, which is the best thing to go by?
28:28
Speaker 4: The needles moving towards one nation. And it's because of
28:31
Speaker 4: the cynicism and also they're basically really angry at the
28:36
Speaker 4: Liberal Party of from the time Turnbull took over and
28:39
Speaker 4: they abandoned true conservative principles.
28:43
Speaker 11: This is they're bearing the fruit of that.
28:45
Speaker 2: Now, you've also been analyzing the migration figures.
28:48
Speaker 11: In the Telly Yeah, great story tomorrow.
28:51
Speaker 4: So we're now at a point for the last twelve months,
28:54
Speaker 4: you've had more than four hundred and eighty thousand people
28:57
Speaker 4: arrive here and we've had less than one hundred and
29:02
Speaker 4: thirty thousand homes built. So basically we're now at a
29:04
Speaker 4: point where there's three times more than three times as
29:08
Speaker 4: many people coming here as homes are being built. So
29:11
Speaker 4: now this is interesting because Albo goes, yes, this says yesterday, Oh,
29:15
Speaker 4: it's the economy stupid. I think he's clever quoting James Cool.
29:20
Speaker 4: But actually it's a problem for him because now people
29:24
Speaker 4: are joining up migration with the housing crisis.
29:28
Speaker 11: And that's the economy.
29:30
Speaker 2: Then, as you said, Taylor's policy though to have no
29:33
Speaker 2: bringing no more people than a number of houses built
29:35
Speaker 2: in any given year.
29:36
Speaker 11: Yeah, but unfortunate people aren't really listening to him.
29:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly right, Bean English. We look forward to
29:41
Speaker 2: reading the paper tomorrow.
29:42
Speaker 11: Thank you, Thanks all right.
29:44
Speaker 2: Coming up, did a round shoot down a US helicopter
29:47
Speaker 2: near the strait of Hormu's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell
29:50
Speaker 2: will give us all the latest details I asked for
29:53
Speaker 2: about Trump and Netti Yaohu too. And Pauline handsOn demands
29:57
Speaker 2: Fatima payment answer questions about her citizenship. Talk about this
30:02
Speaker 2: with Ray Hadley after the break. Welcome back.
30:09
Speaker 5: Well.
30:10
Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson has done a pretty fiery social media post
30:13
Speaker 2: after her One Nation senator Tyrone Witten was accused of
30:17
Speaker 2: potentially breaching the constitution. She wrote on social media that
30:21
Speaker 2: the most questionable senator in Parliament, Fatima Payman, holds Afghan citizenship.
30:26
Speaker 2: It's a case that still needs investigation and an answer.
30:30
Speaker 2: The hypocrites and the coalition joined with Labor and the
30:32
Speaker 2: Greens to make sure she was never investigated. Now, Senator
30:37
Speaker 2: Payment says she's taken all reasonable steps to renounce her
30:39
Speaker 2: citizenship from a country now run by the Taliban. Joining
30:43
Speaker 2: me now is radio legend. Ray Hadley, look a lot
30:47
Speaker 2: of questions about this spray by Pauline.
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Speaker 13: Well, all it does, it's the same that Ben English
30:53
Speaker 13: just spoke about so expertly. They're splash tomorrow, fire the liar,
30:58
Speaker 13: and all they do is draw attention to poyed over
31:00
Speaker 13: this nonsensical argument that Senator Witten and his company that
31:04
Speaker 13: he formed with his brother were doing contract work for
31:07
Speaker 13: Snowy too.
31:08
Speaker 1: She says that it's a public company.
31:09
Speaker 13: Well, it's a public company that's unlisted, so therefore it's
31:12
Speaker 13: funded by the federal government.
31:13
Speaker 1: So there's a debate that be had there.
31:15
Speaker 13: But if that's the most important thing that's happening in
31:18
Speaker 13: the Senate of the may and no wonders. She's fired
31:19
Speaker 13: back about Senator Payment because she.
31:23
Speaker 1: Was a Labor senator.
31:24
Speaker 13: She now sits for her own little party in a
31:26
Speaker 13: corner of the Senate, and she says she did her
31:29
Speaker 13: best to investigate whether they had accepted her announcing her
31:33
Speaker 13: Afghan citizenship. The Afghan embassy said at the time, will
31:37
Speaker 13: the Taliban run the joint now? And we don't talk
31:39
Speaker 13: to them, so I don't know. But at the end
31:43
Speaker 13: of the day, I think both the stories, the attack
31:45
Speaker 13: on Senator Whitt and the attack on payment are nonsensical,
31:49
Speaker 13: and the punters out there don't care too much about it.
31:51
Speaker 13: They want to know how much it's costing to put
31:53
Speaker 13: fuel in their car, how much energy's costing, and how
31:56
Speaker 13: much is going to be in this tax budget that
31:58
Speaker 13: the government's forcing upon them.
32:00
Speaker 2: What they're worrying about. I mean, the budget is getting
32:02
Speaker 2: more unpopular as people realize the consequences with each day.
32:06
Speaker 2: And oddly today we saw that Angus Taylor was blaming
32:10
Speaker 2: the budget for One Nation's rice. I mean, we kind
32:13
Speaker 2: of thought that he would capitalize on the budget. That's
32:17
Speaker 2: what we spoke about.
32:17
Speaker 13: Well, I don't know how he links that and his
32:21
Speaker 13: own poor performance. And I've got to say at this
32:23
Speaker 13: particular stage, he has been a gold medal disappointment as
32:26
Speaker 13: no opposition leader. Yes, One Nation surging on the back
32:31
Speaker 13: of many factors, but it's the intimacy that Pauline enjoys
32:34
Speaker 13: with the electorate. It's one on one stuff she does
32:37
Speaker 13: all the time. And she's a seventy two year older
32:39
Speaker 13: people are warming to, you know, through the day and
32:43
Speaker 13: you know and through the night, and you know, she
32:45
Speaker 13: just goes forward and presses forward. Angus Taylor doesn't have
32:48
Speaker 13: the same sort of attraction. Seese upon the reason why
32:52
Speaker 13: the budget is forcing people to look the one nation.
32:57
Speaker 13: He should have been saying the things that Pauline was
32:59
Speaker 13: saying and saying that quicker. He should have been on
33:01
Speaker 13: the front foot about all of that. And she's made
33:03
Speaker 13: all the running and that's why she's popular in the
33:05
Speaker 13: polls at the moment.
33:06
Speaker 2: I mean, her support was already rising, but it's really
33:09
Speaker 2: sold since the budget. It's overtaken Labor since the budget
33:14
Speaker 2: in any case, so it shows that she has been
33:17
Speaker 2: able to capitalize on just how bad this budget was,
33:19
Speaker 2: whereas the Coalition hasn't managed to do that.
33:22
Speaker 13: I was interested in your previous correspondence discussions and James Morrow,
33:27
Speaker 13: I think hit the nail on the head. If anyone
33:29
Speaker 13: on Labor thinks it's a good idea to send elbow
33:31
Speaker 13: out in the streets, Yes, there wouldn't be a big
33:34
Speaker 13: enough security detail to keep him safe and from harm's way.
33:39
Speaker 13: He's a very popular figure at the moment, very unpopular
33:42
Speaker 13: figure at the moment, and putting him on the street.
33:45
Speaker 13: Like Pauline can go to anywhere. She can go to
33:47
Speaker 13: a fruit shop, she can go to a meatwork, she
33:49
Speaker 13: can get a butcher shop. You get a construction site.
33:51
Speaker 13: She can go to a mine, she can go to
33:52
Speaker 13: a dairy farm, she got a wheat farm, sheep farm,
33:56
Speaker 13: cattle farm. And she can go to the western suburbs
34:00
Speaker 13: and Brisbane and go to the suburbs of Melbourne and
34:02
Speaker 13: be equally embraced. She's got that, you know, sort of
34:06
Speaker 13: that ring of confidence people this lover.
34:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly all right, let's got onto this topic about
34:10
Speaker 2: the Brumbies. Rayo so so explain this to us.
34:15
Speaker 13: Well, people right across Australia would be aware of it
34:18
Speaker 13: Cosyosco is where Brumbies are in.
34:22
Speaker 1: I guess numbers at the moment. But what's happened here.
34:25
Speaker 13: Penny Sharp's the minister responsible and I went to an
34:28
Speaker 13: inquiry back in twenty twenty four and gave evidence based
34:31
Speaker 13: on experts too, ladies.
34:34
Speaker 1: One of them was her name was Gallia, and.
34:37
Speaker 13: She told me that the numbers that the methodology they
34:40
Speaker 13: used was inflated. And at the time they were saying
34:42
Speaker 13: they were somewhere between thirteen and twenty three thousand Brumbies
34:45
Speaker 13: on the ground they had to kill them massacre them
34:47
Speaker 13: with aerial culling. Now they're saying this between six thy
34:50
Speaker 13: four hundred and sixteen thousand, four hundred.
34:52
Speaker 1: They want to get them down to three thousand.
34:54
Speaker 2: It's if they're saying they're a pest, Is that right?
34:56
Speaker 13: Well, yeah, they're saying they're introduced species. They're like in
35:00
Speaker 13: the wild pigs and feral animals. But you see the
35:03
Speaker 13: argument I think is this. The Greens have teamed with
35:07
Speaker 13: the government in New South Wales to usurp that investigation
35:10
Speaker 13: and that inquiry headed by Emmaherst from the Animal Justice Party,
35:14
Speaker 13: who was a descending voice on that. And the reason
35:17
Speaker 13: they want to get rid of the Brumbies it's pretty simple.
35:19
Speaker 13: They are a link to our colonial past, and the
35:23
Speaker 13: Greens hate our colonial past. The left wing of the
35:25
Speaker 13: Labor Party hate our colonial past, and the Brumbies have
35:29
Speaker 13: been there since the early part of last century and
35:33
Speaker 13: they've prospered and grained and they're saying they're destroying the habitat.
35:36
Speaker 13: The habitat's being destroyed by the snowy two. The Brumbies
35:39
Speaker 13: are doing bugger all to it.
35:40
Speaker 2: So you're saying they shouldn't kill the Brumbies.
35:42
Speaker 13: No, what I'm saying is that they say they've got
35:46
Speaker 13: to get them down to three thousand. The methodology they're
35:49
Speaker 13: using at the moment from Claire Glier and others says
35:53
Speaker 13: that they're at.
35:54
Speaker 1: That number now. But my view is they want to
35:57
Speaker 1: wipe them out entirely.
35:58
Speaker 13: They don't care about the three thousand the minimum.
36:02
Speaker 2: Well, I'm with you, I mean, well.
36:05
Speaker 13: The aerial culling. Look, I don't want to go into
36:08
Speaker 13: it in great it's horrible. The only way to kill
36:11
Speaker 13: a horse from the air is a headshot, right, Okay,
36:14
Speaker 13: that's the only way to do it. But they're getting
36:16
Speaker 13: them in the neck, in the chest, in the rump,
36:20
Speaker 13: and of course in the gut, and they're dying terrible deaths.
36:26
Speaker 13: Mayors are aborting folds after death. And the other thing
36:29
Speaker 13: about the methodology cruelty issue, it's just horrible.
36:32
Speaker 1: It's barbaric.
36:32
Speaker 2: But why does That's very confusing to me. So why
36:35
Speaker 2: does the left of Labor not care about this from
36:38
Speaker 2: an animal cruelty perspective.
36:40
Speaker 13: Because it's more important that they're a colonial introduction.
36:43
Speaker 1: It's more important to that's that's what it's all about.
36:46
Speaker 13: It it's they're they're not kangaroos, they're not EMUs, they're
36:49
Speaker 13: not one bats. They were introduced by white men and
36:52
Speaker 13: that's that's why they want them out of the place.
36:54
Speaker 13: And they can argue. And just one final thing on
36:57
Speaker 13: this about the methodology. They said that they've grown in
37:01
Speaker 13: the herd numbers by ninety five percent. Now for that
37:04
Speaker 13: to happen, every stallion, every mayor and every file.
37:09
Speaker 1: Would have to reproduce a file. Now.
37:11
Speaker 13: I know there'll be some people in Canberra that can
37:13
Speaker 13: argue that transgender men can have children, but I can
37:17
Speaker 13: guarantee that the stallion can't.
37:19
Speaker 1: Have a file.
37:19
Speaker 13: I can give a goal plate to guarantee. So the
37:22
Speaker 13: numbers flowed, there hasn't been a ninety five percent increase
37:24
Speaker 13: in some regions because that would be physically impossible. And
37:28
Speaker 13: Penny Sharp in opposition and John Graham opposition said to
37:32
Speaker 13: the electorate, we will never introduce aerial culling. And now
37:35
Speaker 13: they started again.
37:36
Speaker 2: Today they're doing it.
37:37
Speaker 1: That is so cruel and it's horrible. It's just horrible.
37:40
Speaker 2: I'm glad you explained that whole issue to me. I
37:42
Speaker 2: hadn't been following it. I remember when I was in
37:44
Speaker 2: Canberra they used to cull the kangaroos on a Saturday
37:47
Speaker 2: as well. It was very sad.
37:48
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, the Labor Party and the Greens won't worry
37:52
Speaker 13: about you know. I guess I'll jump up and down
37:55
Speaker 13: to a certain extent because they're native animals.
37:56
Speaker 1: But the farmers of course saying.
37:58
Speaker 2: That what is the difference if there an corse or
38:01
Speaker 2: a cow or a kangaroo, you still killing the animals
38:03
Speaker 2: in a crawl way.
38:04
Speaker 13: I just give people the opportunity to ponder this. I'm
38:07
Speaker 13: typified as a right wing shock jock. When would be
38:11
Speaker 13: the last time I ever agreed with anything Emma Hurst
38:13
Speaker 13: from the Animal Justice Party said and on this one
38:16
Speaker 13: whereas one.
38:18
Speaker 1: So there's got to be somewhere that ray.
38:20
Speaker 2: Sorry for lifelong vegetarian that's my secret? Is that really
38:23
Speaker 2: for animal cruelty reasons?
38:25
Speaker 11: Yep?
38:25
Speaker 13: Okay, my dad was a butcher, so we're probably not
38:29
Speaker 13: many things here.
38:31
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
38:33
Speaker 2: Before you go, right, Gold dinner for Children's Hospital this
38:36
Speaker 2: is a cause very close to your heart.
38:38
Speaker 1: Okay, I've done the auction for a number of years.
38:40
Speaker 13: There it's an incredible night that's put on by the
38:43
Speaker 13: Sydney Children's Hospital Network. And how's this I talked about
38:46
Speaker 13: Emma Hurst. The CEO is Kristin and Kanely. Oh really
38:49
Speaker 13: and we work together, we love each other and we
38:53
Speaker 13: really do. She's a fantastic person for the CEO. And
38:56
Speaker 13: last week we got to about sixty five thousand, sixty
39:00
Speaker 13: five million, I'm sorry, sixty five million. And on one
39:03
Speaker 13: night in Sydney down at the Hawden Pavilion, we raised
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Speaker 13: eight point five million dollars for the Sydney Children's Hospital Networks,
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Speaker 13: Ranwick and Westmeat.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic, amazing, Thank you so much, all the see you
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Speaker 2: next week on Oh, I won't see you next.
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Speaker 1: Week now you're I'm going to miss you. Send me
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Speaker 1: Thank you all right.
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Speaker 2: Coming up, Trump clings on to his peace plan Israeli
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Speaker 2: Deputy Foreign Minister s Around Haskell will give us the
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Speaker 2: details and how Labour's budget could trap first home buyers
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Speaker 2: in negative equity. That's after the break. Welcome back, well,
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Speaker 2: Auction clearance rates are sliding after Labour's budget, with buyers
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Speaker 2: pulling back and sellers now having to face a very
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Speaker 2: different market. Sydney and Melbourne in particular are hovering in
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Speaker 2: the low to mid fifties, and nationally the auction market
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Speaker 2: is looking a lot weaker than it did even a
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Speaker 2: few weeks ago. I'm joined now by SQM Research Managing
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Speaker 2: Director Louis Christopher Louis, just how bad is this? I
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Speaker 2: think I saw a cat in the background there, maybe
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Speaker 2: it was a dog. How bad has this budget been
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Speaker 2: for the auction clearance rates and the property market?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that was just Pepper in the background warning about
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Speaker 12: the housing market. It's been very bad, actually, showdy. The
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Speaker 12: reality is that auction clearances have actually a fine ox.
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Speaker 12: Thereens rate it's fallen below fifty percent and we think
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Speaker 12: in a number of areas only one in three properties
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Speaker 12: are selling an auction now. So this is about as
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Speaker 12: bad as it's been since the first lockdown of COVID,
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Speaker 12: and if you take that out, that takes us back
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Speaker 12: to two thousand and eight. So it's a it's a
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Speaker 12: pretty fierce down term where we're experiencing right now, and
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Speaker 12: it's only just begun effectively. And the issue we've got
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Speaker 12: at this point in time is that there's no sweetener
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Speaker 12: on the horizon. It's very unlikely we'll see an interest
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Speaker 12: cutting the time soon, and it's very unlikely that govern's
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Speaker 12: about the reverse course on this.
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Speaker 2: And that's quite dramatic what you're saying, and you're not
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Speaker 2: the only one saying it. This is as bad as
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Speaker 2: COVID before that during the global financial crisis. And yes,
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Speaker 2: you know, the war has made things worse, but we
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Speaker 2: already had interest rates and inflation rising before that, and
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Speaker 2: then you put on top of it the extra taxes
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Speaker 2: in the budget.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, to be fair, the market's been hit by a
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Speaker 12: number of shots. As you rightly point out that the
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Speaker 12: first shot came with the February interest rate rise. Of
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Speaker 12: course we've had two more interest rate rises since then. Then,
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Speaker 12: of course, the outbreak of the war and the sudden
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Speaker 12: rise and energy costs that was a shop in the
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Speaker 12: housing market that effected everybody's discretionary income and consumer confidence
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Speaker 12: started to fall away. And then as the market was
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Speaker 12: in quite the low d the federal governor announcing the
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Speaker 12: property taxation changes. So that there's been a series of shops.
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Speaker 12: This latest one, though, we're definitely noticed an immediate impact
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Speaker 12: upon the market, as what you've stated up front, oction
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Speaker 12: clearance rates fell away. Actually the moment was mentioned in
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Speaker 12: the media before budget night. We noticed an impact on
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Speaker 12: that particular weekend and it's been falling away ever since.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole point of the budget was meant
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Speaker 2: to be at least this was the spin, right that
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Speaker 2: it was going to help young Australians get into the market.
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Speaker 2: But now we're hearing that many, maybe tens of thousands
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Speaker 2: could be looking at negative equity.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right. Said that comes from the first time
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Speaker 12: buyas five percent deposit scheme. It's actually been with us
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Speaker 12: since twenty twenty, but was expanded quite dramatically in October
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Speaker 12: twenty twenty five when caps were taken away, so that
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Speaker 12: was no longer means tested and the maximum housing prot
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Speaker 12: you could buy was a lot higher. Now, since October
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Speaker 12: twenty we've seen about one hundred and twenty five thousand
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Speaker 12: people take up that scheme. The issue is, though, of course,
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Speaker 12: is that housing prices have now fallen since the start
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Speaker 12: of the year. For Sydney, we're down by about two
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Speaker 12: and a half percent. For Melbourne, we're down by about
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Speaker 12: one and a half percent, and the current tempo in
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Speaker 12: the market would suggest we'll see housing price falls in
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Speaker 12: our two largest capital cities by the order of seven
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Speaker 12: to nine percent for this calendar year.
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Speaker 2: Just very quickly. I mean, do you think we could
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Speaker 2: be looking at a property market crash here? How bad
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Speaker 2: do you think it's going to get?
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Speaker 12: I don't think it's going to be a crash. It's
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Speaker 12: certainly going to be one of the largest corrections we've
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Speaker 12: had for some time. I think we're missing one ingredient
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Speaker 12: for a crash, and that is that we don't have
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Speaker 12: an hover supply of real estate. Indeed, rental vacancy rates
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Speaker 12: are still very tight, running at just one point two percent.
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Speaker 12: Rents are actually picking up and they're likely to add
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Speaker 12: will accelerate from here. They'll be definitely in adjustment and
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Speaker 12: it'll be very difficult for first time buyers or enter
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Speaker 12: into a market whereby the effectively they'll be catching it
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Speaker 12: falling nigh. But it is quite risky buying into this
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Speaker 12: market right now, especially if you're only buying in on
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Speaker 12: a five percent deposit. It is no adjustment, not a crash,
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Speaker 12: and in time the market will level out, but I
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Speaker 12: think it could be for us to go another two
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Speaker 12: years before we see that leveling out.
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Speaker 2: Right, Luis Christopher, thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 2: You appreciate it.
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Speaker 12: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: Now still to come. What happened to that US chopper
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Speaker 2: that went down over the straight plus? Just how bad
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Speaker 2: is the relationship between Trump and Edi Yahoo? I'll ask
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Speaker 2: Sharen Haskell after the break. As we went to air
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Speaker 2: last night, it looked like Trumps ceasefire was over, with
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Speaker 2: the wall back on. We now learned that Israeli Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin ette Ya, who had fighter jets on the
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Speaker 2: runway for may just strike in Iran before calling it
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Speaker 2: off after a warning from Trump that Israel could be
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Speaker 2: left on its own. We're joining me now with the latest.
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Speaker 2: Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister she Aroun Haskell, she ran great
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Speaker 2: to see you again. Are these reports try to share?
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Speaker 2: Are these reports true? Did Trump want Natiyahoo that Israel
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Speaker 2: would be on its own if it struck Iran?
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Speaker 5: So I think that the way people interpret a lot
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Speaker 5: of the conversation with Trump always suit, at least the
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Speaker 5: way I see it, a certain agenda or someone that's
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Speaker 5: trying to spread a certain message. The fact is Prime
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Speaker 5: Minister Natanyao and President Trump are very close as allies
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Speaker 5: and as good friends as well. They speak every day,
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Speaker 5: sometimes a few times a day for a very long time.
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Speaker 5: They can speak quite bluntly to one another. They don't
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Speaker 5: agree all the time, and sometimes they argue, and sometimes
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Speaker 5: obviously each one emphasizes their position and.
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Speaker 2: What they believe.
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Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, they do it
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Speaker 5: in a private conversation and not over the media, and
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Speaker 5: they're not sending each other messages through the media through
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Speaker 5: social media, although i there are more and more leaks
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Speaker 5: about some of their conversations, and the concern is that
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Speaker 5: the relationship is deteriorating. What can you tell us about
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Speaker 5: the state of Trump and Natiya Who's relationship right now?
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Speaker 5: Is it deteriorating? Is it as strong as it ever was?
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Speaker 5: It is as strong as it ever was. Sharing and
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry to disupport some of the haters, but there's
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Speaker 5: you know, there's immense efforts in what it is happening
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Speaker 5: in Lebanon right now. President Trump is overseeing direct negotiation
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Speaker 5: for the first time. This is a historical moment between
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Speaker 5: Israel and Lebanon, after decades, you know of criminal law
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Speaker 5: in Lebanon not allowing to discuss or talk to Israelis
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Speaker 5: or Israeli by p presentatives, and they is supervising it
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Speaker 5: with the highest strengths. I mean, Mark Orubio is the
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Speaker 5: one that is overseeing those conversations. They're happening now on
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Speaker 5: a weekly basis. This is very very intense, but very optimistic,
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Speaker 5: I would say as well. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 5: real chance for peace and stability in our northern border.
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Speaker 5: And the fact that the Lebanese government also understand that
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Speaker 5: is Balan, the Army of Iran, is a danger to
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Speaker 5: Lebanon and the Lebanese people, and they speak in one
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Speaker 5: voice when they say that because Baalam must be disarmed.
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Speaker 5: This is a historic moment that gives at least to
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Speaker 5: me much of optimism.
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Speaker 2: So, Sharan, where do you think this is going now?
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Speaker 2: Do you expect this pace plan to hold or do
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Speaker 2: you think it is going to be an inevitable return
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Speaker 2: to the war.
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Speaker 5: So it's a good question and it's important to know.
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Speaker 5: I mean, Isbela continued also yesterday to attack Israel and
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Speaker 5: we retaliate that we are trying to clean the south
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Speaker 5: of Lebanon from Isbela if we know the Lebanese army
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Speaker 5: and the Lebanese government can clean Risbela and so that
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Speaker 5: his Ballad will not pose a threat, not on Israel
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Speaker 5: and not on Lebanon either, because it is an Iranian
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Speaker 5: military force, an Iranian terrorist organization that takes its orders
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Speaker 5: from the puppet master in Tehran and not from the
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Speaker 5: sovereign government of Lebanon. So if we know they are
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Speaker 5: capable in action to push them back.
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Speaker 2: We will withdraw.
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Speaker 5: And We've said that numerous times, and I do see
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Speaker 5: certain intentions in doing that, and that's why I'm quite
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Speaker 5: optimistic about it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Israel came under ballistic missile attack from Iran
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Speaker 2: families across Israel, you know, running the bomb shoulders. Israel
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Speaker 2: was not the aggressive here. But given Trump's language, are
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Speaker 2: you worried that the President is deserting Israel? Absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 5: I think that President Trump is one of Israel's greatest
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Speaker 5: allies and greatest friends, you know, and he truly understand
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Speaker 5: the dangers not for Israel, not just for America this
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Speaker 5: is American interest, but for the rest of humanity. I mean,
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Speaker 5: the fanatical regime in Iran has written as part of
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Speaker 5: its ideology, to destroy Western civilization, western democracies. It is
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Speaker 5: a danger to Europe, to the UK. They call for
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Speaker 5: the annihilation and the destruction of America.
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Speaker 2: The leadership during.
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Speaker 5: The last few days continue to call death chance to America.
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Speaker 5: And so President Trump really and truly understand that. And
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Speaker 5: it's really important to also understand. Iran wanted that what's
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Speaker 5: happening in Lebanon will be connected to Iran because they
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Speaker 5: do not want a peace to succeed between Israel and Lebanon.
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Speaker 5: They want more.
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Speaker 2: They do indeed, and they've been delaying the peace deal.
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Speaker 2: Charonne Haskell, thank you for your time. All right, I'll
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Speaker 2: see you all at eight o'clock tomorrow night. And right now,
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Speaker 2: here's Caleb BoNT