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The Truth Behind the Sam Guggenheimer & Izzy Armitage Feud · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken.
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  Speaker 2: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture
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  Speaker 2: news twice a week. I'm Amy Torber and coming up
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  Speaker 2: on today's show, Sammy Guggenheimer opens up about her friendship
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  Speaker 2: bust up with Izzy Armitage, Katya Milan's freak accident, Laura
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  Speaker 2: Henshaw is mum shamed over her birth plan and Ellie
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  Speaker 2: Watson shocks her followers by putting her Insta-worthy home on
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  Speaker 2: the market. But first, we have some really exciting news
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  Speaker 2: we can finally share. that in 2026, we are launching
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  Speaker 2: a new podcast called The Mums Group. So it will
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  Speaker 2: be our second podcast baby and run as a completely
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  Speaker 2: separate entity to Outspoken. We did have a few concerned
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  Speaker 2: listeners message us on Wednesday when we announced the news saying,
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  Speaker 2: oh my God, does that mean you're getting rid of Outspoken?
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  Speaker 2: Definitely not. We're not going anywhere. Outspoken is still going
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  Speaker 2: to run exactly the same with two episodes a week
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  Speaker 2: and one extra for the subs. I love that we
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  Speaker 2: all couldn't find a mum's group that we wanted to join.
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  Speaker 2: So we just decided to create our own online.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Also, I feel like Outspoken listeners are a little bit
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  Speaker 2: sick of hearing us talk about mum things. So we're like,
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  Speaker 2: we'll move it.
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  Speaker 1: To a different space.
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  Speaker 2: Because outside of speaking about influencers and pop culture... The
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  Speaker 2: majority of our conversation these days are about motherhood. So
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  Speaker 2: we're like, well, that is a podcast in itself. So
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  Speaker 2: as I said, the new series is going to start
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  Speaker 2: airing in 2026. And we really want to build a
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  Speaker 2: community of mums who really feel involved in our podcast.
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  Speaker 2: So if you want to be a part of that community,
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  Speaker 2: we have an Instagram account, which is themumsgroup underscore podcast,
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  Speaker 2: as well as a Facebook community called The Mums Group.
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  Speaker 2: We'll also be launching a TikTok soon when the podcast
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  Speaker 2: goes live.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll pop all the information about Mums Group in
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  Speaker 2: the show notes for those mums that are interested. This
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  Speaker 2: is definitely one of those times in life where if
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  Speaker 2: I don't laugh, I will definitely cry.
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  Speaker 1: And the past week I have been sobbing my eyes out.
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  Speaker 2: Katia Milan has shared the harrowing story of how she
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  Speaker 2: knocked out her two front teeth. The OG influencer conceded
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  Speaker 2: she was lucky to be alive after a hellish day.
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  Speaker 1: Kate, can you tell us more?
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  Speaker 2: Well, late last week, Katia sent her followers into a
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  Speaker 2: panic when she shared shocking photos of her broken teeth.
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  Speaker 2: It made me feel so ill because this is my
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  Speaker 2: worst nightmare. And she followed up asking her followers if
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  Speaker 2: anyone could recommend an emergency dentist. She then spent the
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  Speaker 2: next seven hours waiting in emergency and ended up getting
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  Speaker 2: scans for concussion as well as getting her heart checked
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  Speaker 2: and her lip stitched up. The poor thing then had
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  Speaker 2: to wait a further six hours to see an emergency dentist. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and they were the only details that she actually shared
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  Speaker 2: on her Instagram story about the incident. So a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people were wondering, well, how did this actually happen?
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  Speaker 2: And it wasn't until Thursday when Katia provided an update
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  Speaker 2: revealing exactly how this accident had occurred. Yeah, so it
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  Speaker 2: turns out she went out to dinner and came home
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  Speaker 2: and then went to sleep. And in the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the night, she woke up feeling unwell. She said she
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  Speaker 2: felt like she had a fever and was nauseous. So
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  Speaker 2: she launched herself out of bed feeling like she was
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  Speaker 2: going to vomit and headed towards the toilet. It was
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  Speaker 2: at this point she blacked out and woke up with
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  Speaker 2: her friend calling an ambulance and blood all over the floor. Now, thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: Cartier revealed that she was sharing a bed with, quote,
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  Speaker 2: a friend. So I was thinking, well, perhaps this is
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  Speaker 2: a new boyfriend that we don't know about. It's very
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  Speaker 2: lucky that that person was there, though, because it turns
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  Speaker 2: out that Cartier fainted and smashed her head into the
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  Speaker 2: toilet bowl and knocked her teeth out. She said she
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  Speaker 2: blacked out with her eyes wide open and started vomiting.
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  Speaker 2: So her friend had to put her in the recovery position.
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  Speaker 2: She said she was so lucky because it could have
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  Speaker 2: been way worse. It's terrifying because imagine if she'd hit
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  Speaker 2: her head because the force of her hitting her teeth,
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  Speaker 2: like the fact that they were completely smashed out, it
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  Speaker 2: just shows you how hard she fell. Yeah, this could
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  Speaker 2: have been way worse. And Katia said when she started
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  Speaker 2: to sort of come to her, she noticed that she
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  Speaker 2: had no teeth because she could see them lying on
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  Speaker 2: the bathroom floor and she just kept saying, I have
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  Speaker 2: no teeth. And it ended up taking her two days
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  Speaker 2: to actually process what happened. Now, the story gets worse
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  Speaker 2: if you can even imagine that because she said she
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  Speaker 2: made the mistake of calling her mum at 2.30 and
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  Speaker 2: upon hearing what had happened to her daughter, Katia's mum
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  Speaker 2: ended up collapsing and smashing her mouth. So she didn't
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  Speaker 2: actually break her teeth but her tooth went through her
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  Speaker 2: lip So they both had to go to the emergency
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  Speaker 2: room together. Is it terrible that when you said 2.30,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, is that actually a joke? It's like 2.30. God,
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  Speaker 2: what a terrible coincidence.
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  Speaker 5: I think there is a saying for a reason of
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  Speaker 5: don't start a business with your best friend.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Keep it like your friends.
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  Speaker 2: Sammy Guggenheimer has all but confirmed her friendship and business
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  Speaker 2: partnership with fellow influencer Izzy Armitage is over. Talking on
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  Speaker 2: the Inherited podcast, the TikToker revealed the pair made the
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  Speaker 2: decision to pull the pin on their joint podcast to
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  Speaker 2: avoid a public friendship bust up. Now, these women used
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  Speaker 2: to be inseparable. They actually met working at Cook Eye
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  Speaker 2: and from there created the Just For Girls podcast as
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  Speaker 2: a side hustle. Don't they just look like people who
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  Speaker 2: would work at Cook Eye?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they absolutely are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've actually spoken about this before because Sammy Guggenheimer's
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  Speaker 2: other job was working at Boost Juice and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: of course, that fits perfectly. And if she was a
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  Speaker 2: bit older, if she went to school in the early 2000s,
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  Speaker 2: she would have worked at Jetty Surf. Yes, definitely. And
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  Speaker 2: it turns out the girls had a lot in common.
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  Speaker 2: They used to both date AFL players and they also
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  Speaker 2: both had subsequent public breakups. However, earlier this year, followers
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  Speaker 2: began noticing that the pair were spending less time together
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  Speaker 2: and Then there were the solo podcast announcements. So in June,
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  Speaker 2: the girls revealed that they would be hosting their own
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  Speaker 2: separate podcast under the Just For Girls umbrella. At the time,
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  Speaker 2: they really tried to gloss over the news by saying that, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we'll be releasing a monthly episode of Just For Girls.
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  Speaker 2: That only happened once, though. The first and last joint
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  Speaker 2: episode aired on the 20th of August. Now, the same
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  Speaker 2: month as the episode aired, an insider told the Herald Sun,
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  Speaker 2: it's no secret they're no longer friends. The girls fought
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  Speaker 2: a lot in 2024. They talked about it to everyone.
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  Speaker 2: The source went on to say it was really nasty
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  Speaker 2: at times. Who do you think that source is, Kate?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm guessing someone that's had a falling out
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  Speaker 2: with both of them. I'm always surprised that the Herald
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  Speaker 2: Sun were interested, but then I'm reminded by the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they both went out with footballers and suddenly that
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  Speaker 2: makes them more interesting to the mainstream media. Well, it's
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  Speaker 2: like how the Herald Sun have suddenly realised who Tammy
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  Speaker 2: Hembrough is after she dated Bailey Smith, who ironically is
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  Speaker 2: also Izzy Armitage's ex. Now, if that wasn't enough to
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  Speaker 2: indicate that this friendship was over, Izzy also got new
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  Speaker 2: management away from Sam while Sam moved to London for
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  Speaker 2: six months. And just last week, any hope of the
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  Speaker 2: pair reuniting on air was squashed when Sam replied to
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  Speaker 2: a follower who asked what was going on with Just
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  Speaker 2: For Girls. And Sam replied, we're just focusing on ourselves
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  Speaker 2: and our own lives. Hope you can all respect it.
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  Speaker 2: Know it comes from a good place, but we're just
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  Speaker 2: doing our own thing. It's really interesting that Sam actually
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  Speaker 2: chose the Inherited podcast to delve into this friendship breakup because,
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  Speaker 2: she hasn't really mentioned anything on her TikTok about it.
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  Speaker 1: She's only really replied here and there to a few comments.
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  Speaker 2: You'd almost think that she would want to get all
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  Speaker 2: of the engagement on her own social media channels if
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  Speaker 2: she was going to talk about something murky like a
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  Speaker 2: friendship breakdown. Yeah, well, we said the same thing about
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  Speaker 2: Olivia Rogers' interview on the Inherited podcast too. Like we
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  Speaker 2: don't get why she didn't share some of those stories
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  Speaker 2: on her own podcast. I mean, Sam, of course, also
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  Speaker 2: has her own podcast, but I think it adds a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of legitimacy to it. And it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: like she's just having a bit of a rant. Like
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  Speaker 2: she was asked about it and had to respond. It
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  Speaker 2: kind of seems like highbrow, like especially because it's from Shameless.
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  Speaker 1: Media, the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, this is a very professional podcast. I've been
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  Speaker 2: asked a question, so I'm going to eloquently answer it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: she didn't hold back. So she described them as a
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  Speaker 2: married couple who became codependent and explained that their identities
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  Speaker 2: got so tied up together that they couldn't actually operate
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  Speaker 2: as separate entities. She also said that they didn't know
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  Speaker 2: who they were as individuals and realized ultimately they wanted
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  Speaker 2: different things. Let's take a listen to more of what
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  Speaker 2: Sam said.
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  Speaker 6: We both wanted different things at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So then it became hard and maybe a little bit
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  Speaker 5: of resentment came there at the start, which is why
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  Speaker 5: we then decided to stop it because we didn't want
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  Speaker 5: it to get bad.
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  Speaker 6: So resentment when you were working together? Well, it was like, well,
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  Speaker 6: I want to go to Byron next week.
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  Speaker 5: And she was like, well, you can't go to Byron
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  Speaker 5: next week because we have this together. And it was like, well, okay,
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  Speaker 5: both of us have to go to Byron. All of that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: It was like, okay, well then both of us have
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  Speaker 6: to go to Byron if we want to make it work.
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  Speaker 6: Your one package.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. So it was like, you can't go here without
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  Speaker 5: that person and everything like that. So then it was like,
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes in friendships as well, it's like you choose when
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  Speaker 5: you want to hang out with someone. And we started
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  Speaker 5: the podcast because we were friends. And then it was like, okay, well,
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  Speaker 5: I have to see you. Now we're in business together.
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  Speaker 5: Now we're in business together.
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  Speaker 6: Navigating that friendship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And it was no longer a choice. It was like
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  Speaker 5: you're forced to be there. And I think that does
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  Speaker 5: in your early 20s. put a strain on your friendship
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  Speaker 5: and we were like we don't want it to put
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  Speaker 5: a strain on our friendship we want to stop it
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  Speaker 5: before a big blow up on the internet happens and
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  Speaker 5: you're having like a big issue so that's why we
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  Speaker 5: decided like what can we put into place yeah to
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  Speaker 5: savor what we have and to appreciate what we have
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  Speaker 5: until the point where we hate what we have and
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  Speaker 5: I think it was like the perfect way to grow
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  Speaker 5: our careers but yeah having separate things and we are
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  Speaker 5: both different people It's.
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  Speaker 2: Funny because I think Sam was trying to answer this
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  Speaker 2: question as professionally as possible, but then she got caught
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  Speaker 2: up in the moment and was like, and then she
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  Speaker 2: said I couldn't go to Byron. And then also that
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  Speaker 2: mention of, oh, we wanted to stop things before a
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  Speaker 2: big blow up on the internet happened. To me, it
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  Speaker 2: seems like they did have a big friendship bust up
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  Speaker 2: and it was getting so nasty to the point that
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  Speaker 2: one of them was going to call the other out
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  Speaker 2: online if they didn't agree to go their separate ways.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's one of those instances where they
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  Speaker 2: both probably had so much dirt on each other it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't worth either of them exposing one another. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we heard Lucy Jackson talk about that recently saying there
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  Speaker 2: was no way she would ever break up her friendship
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  Speaker 2: with Nikki Westcott because she's got so much dirt on her.
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  Speaker 2: You just couldn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: How awkward.
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  Speaker 2: Was it during the interview when the host Ruby Hall
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  Speaker 2: asked Sam about her breakup with her AFL ex, Caleb Poulter?
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  Speaker 2: So Ruby asked her, how does it affect the healing
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  Speaker 2: process for you when your ex has such a big
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  Speaker 2: public profile?
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  Speaker 1: This is what she said.
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  Speaker 5: I think you should ask him that question because I
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  Speaker 5: think not in like a stuck up way, I have
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  Speaker 5: a bit more of a more public-facing career than he does.
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  Speaker 6: I think he didn't– I don't really know. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 5: I've got him blocked, so I don't really know what
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  Speaker 5: he does. I don't know if he's a poster or not,
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  Speaker 5: everything like that. I think it would have been weirder
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  Speaker 5: for him because I would have been the one posting
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  Speaker 5: about the breakup. Of course.
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  Speaker 6: You were the one on the podcast. Yeah, like I'm
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  Speaker 6: speaking about it now. How do you feel, mate? Like
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't speak to you, but I
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  Speaker 6: think it's weird. Or navigating it publicly. Yeah, it would have.
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  Speaker 2: Been really weird.
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  Speaker 5: There was back and forth for a while.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, it was really weird. I think that it
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  Speaker 6: got more.
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  Speaker 5: Toxic after the breakup more than our relationship was because
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  Speaker 5: of the public.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly. And people are saying everything and things aren't true.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, like people said that we cheated on each
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  Speaker 5: other and there was like all of that and that
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  Speaker 5: we're back together.
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  Speaker 6: We're not back together. And it was kind of like,
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  Speaker 6: I haven't spoken to you in four months.
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  Speaker 2: I know that she said she didn't want to sound
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  Speaker 2: stuck up, but it came across as quite big headed.
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  Speaker 2: I was listening to this interview in the car and
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  Speaker 2: I nearly like swerved the car when I heard it.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my God, this is so awkward.
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  Speaker 2: And you could tell Ruby felt really awkward because she's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. And I think Sam actually missed the whole
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  Speaker 2: point because Caleb might not be active on social media
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  Speaker 2: like she is, but he still has a public profile
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  Speaker 2: being an AFL player. And particularly living in Melbourne, it's
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  Speaker 2: difficult to get away from that. I mean, Sam spoke
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  Speaker 2: a lot about how she needed to get out of
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne and realize how lucky she is to actually live there.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why she ended up spending the last six
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: months in london it's interesting because we had some commentary
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: and our facebook group saying that people have loved the
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: inherited podcast but the last couple of weeks they haven't
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed it as much because they've had a couple of
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: influences on they've had m davies olivia rogers and now
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  Speaker 2: sam guggenheimer and people were like oh it's not like
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  Speaker 2: hitting the same as it did what did you think
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  Speaker 2: about this interview Well, to be honest, I actually got
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  Speaker 2: quite bored, but I'm not a huge fan of Sammy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a fan at all of Sammy Guggenheim, but
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  Speaker 2: she's just somebody that I know of on the internet.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really follow her content. I liked the interview
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  Speaker 2: with Olivia Rogers and I also loved the chat with
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: Em Davies. I thought she came across so nice. I
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  Speaker 2: haven't been able to bring myself to listen to the
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  Speaker 2: Em Davies one because I saw a clip of it
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  Speaker 2: on Instagram and burst out crying when she was talking
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  Speaker 2: about her mum and I'm like, I need to be
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  Speaker 2: in the right.
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  Speaker 1: Headspace to listen to that.
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  Speaker 2: It was sad, but it was a good listen. But
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: I know where people are coming from because I think
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: everyone is just a bit sick of hearing influencers on
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: the same podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: And it sort of seems like they do the rounds.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think where Inherited has gone right in
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  Speaker 2: the past is choosing an angle that everyone's pretty interested in.
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  Speaker 2: Like they've sort of set it up that it's not
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  Speaker 2: just your basic chat show where it's like this is
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  Speaker 2: this person and they do this. You know, with the
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: Olivia interview, she really opened up about her divorce. But
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  Speaker 2: this interview with Sam Guggenheimer, while it was interesting in
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  Speaker 2: terms of the friendship breakup, it came across as a
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  Speaker 2: little bit vapid because all they spoke to her about
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  Speaker 2: subsequently was her dating life. And if you're not really
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  Speaker 2: that invested in her life, you're not really going to
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  Speaker 2: care about it because it sounded just like your typical
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  Speaker 2: 20-year-old girl who doesn't, you know, talking about, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: went on this date and blah, blah, blah. Well, I
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  Speaker 2: saw a few people in Inherited's reviews were saying, look,
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  Speaker 2: I love the concept of the podcast, but they also
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  Speaker 2: agreed saying, like, I'm actually kind of sick of hearing
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  Speaker 2: these same people on it. And they said, I really
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: enjoyed the interview that they did with Michelle Andrews' mum
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  Speaker 2: and that they would like to hear from more everyday
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: people who have really good stories to tell as opposed
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: to influencers. I think they're probably at that point where
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  Speaker 2: they can start doing that because, I mean, the reason
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: why you get people with big social followings on your
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: podcast is to grow your listenership. And they've got a
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: pretty big listenership as it is. So I think that
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  Speaker 2: they could probably start including that. Going back to the interview...
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  Speaker 2: My favorite bit was when Sam was talking about her
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: parents because her dad was a headmaster at boarding schools
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  Speaker 2: and she actually grew up at a boarding school since
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  Speaker 2: she was eight years old. That's why she left home
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  Speaker 2: so early at 20 because she's like, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to live at a boarding school any longer.
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  Speaker 1: Weren't they all boys schools as well?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were. So her mom also works in education
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  Speaker 2: and she explained they don't really know much about the
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: social media world. And when Ruby asked if they watch
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: her TikTok, she said it's pretty funny because her parents
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: have fake accounts. that they watched the TikToks in and
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: also replied to hate comments. And Sam said that her
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: dad was really witty while their mum ended up getting
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: banned for outing them. I actually love this because it
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: would be really hard as a parent to sit back
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: and just see these nasty comments about your children. Like
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: I can actually imagine our mum doing something similar. She's
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: not as tech savvy to create a fake account though.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to be reading her comments now and
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: being like, which one's her mum and dad?
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: I have decided that we are going to have an
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: elective cesarean.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: Laura Henshaw has been shamed online after revealing she's booked
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: in for an elective C-section. The founder of Fitness Empire
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Kick disclosed the news to her business partner, Steph Clare-Smith,
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: on their podcast. Let's have a listen to some of
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: what she said.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: I could, and people have said when I've said I'm
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: having a cesarean, the first thing they say to me
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: is like, oh, is he breached?
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, no.
• 15:17
  Speaker 7: Interesting.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: They're like, oh, like why?
• 15:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: So there are times medically where you need to have
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: a cesarean. Yeah.
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: But for me, it's elective.
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people, I think, especially like older generations,
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: just think like, oh, well, if there's, what's the medical reason?
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Because why would you not want to deliver vaginally? And
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: for me, I don't have, it's so interesting because I
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: always thought when I thought about myself, okay, I don't know,
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: I love challenging myself. And so I thought that I
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: would be like, yes, I want to have a vaginal birth.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: I don't have a bone in my body.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: Like I can't even explain to you that wants to, I, Now.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Laura told Steph that she thought long and hard about
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: the decision and had consulted with her doctor. It turns
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: out that one of Laura's biggest fears is tearing during childbirth.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: So she visited a pelvic floor specialist who measured her
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: perineal length. And this can help determine whether you are
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: going to tear or not. I was surprised that this
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: was even a thing. I never heard about it when
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: I was going through my pregnancy. Yeah, I had never
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: heard about this before. And Laura went on to say
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: that her pelvic floor specialist, Rachel, also warned her about incontinence,
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: which can occur as a result of vaginal birth. Let's
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: have a listen to what she said.
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: But as we were talking, Rach said to me, have
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: you ever had incontinence? Like, have you ever proved yourself before?
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: And I was like, what? Why is this in this conversation?
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Like in my head, I'm like pelvic floor is your like,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: we're just weeing. And I didn't even think. And I
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: was like, well, I actually approved myself running before. She's like,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: how often?
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: And I told her. And she was like, okay, well,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: if you have had incontinence before, if you have– now,
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: the chance of having a tear, like a third or
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: fourth degree tear, is quite low. I think it's 1
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: in 20 or something like that, 6%. But if you
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: do have that tear, there is a likely– Your incontinence
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: would get worse.
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: It's possible.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: It is possible.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: That my incontinence would get worse. And I was like, okay,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: that for me is the last.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Like that was really helpful information.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, they really went there with the whole pooing
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: themselves thing. It didn't really surprise me, though, that Laura
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: wanted to have a C-section because she is such a
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: self-proclaimed control freak. Like she has a type A personality.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: And I feel like this is actually the best option
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: for her. Having been someone that has had a C-section,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you know exactly what date you're going in. You do
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: feel a bit more in control with the situation because
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: of that very reason. Well, at the end of the day,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: whatever she chooses for herself is the best for herself.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand why women have to shame other
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: women for how they choose to give birth. It's insane.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And Laura also said another huge motivating factor for her
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: booking in a C-section is is the fact that her
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: husband Dalton has a huge fear of hospitals. So he
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: has said that his biggest fear is actually Laura dying
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: during childbirth. So Laura opting for a C-section has apparently
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: made him feel a lot more in control of the situation.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I have to admit, when Laura said that, I was like,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: oh no, no, don't open up about that because I
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: know people were going to hit back and be like,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: don't you understand that there are so many risks to
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: having a cesarean and it's major surgery. It's like, Well,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: there are also risks to having vaginal birth as well.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: There is still this huge stigma around it, unfortunately. And
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: people were so vile to her online. So she and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the kick pod, they both reshared a clip of her
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: talking about her decision to have a C-section on the podcast.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And there were so many vile comments. So one said, oh,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: she only wants to get a C-section to keep herself,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I quote, tidy for her husband. And another person accused
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: her of being too precious to push. Now, Laura responded
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: by sharing a TikTok entitled Dear People on the Internet.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: This may shock you, but it's true. And she said this.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Hello, just a reminder that the only person who should
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: have an opinion on your birth preference is actually you
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: in consultation with your healthcare professional.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: It just really frustrates me, this stigma around cesareans. When
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I was waiting to go into surgery for my cesarean,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: The anaesthetist actually asked me, oh, so why are you
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: going through a cesarean? Just don't want to push. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: this is literally like minutes before I went into major surgery.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I could not believe it. And the whole thing is
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: everyone was saying like, oh, does she even know the risks?
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: When you go into hospital and you ask for an
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: elective cesarean, they give you so much information about all
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: of the risks that come along with it. And I
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: remember saying, well, do you have pamphlet about the risks
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of having a vaginal birth and they admitted they're like, well,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you actually don't, but there are also a lot of
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: risks associated with that. But there is, as you said,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: just this stigma around it that, you know, it's so
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: much more dangerous and it's really what suits the mother. Well,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I went to a birth class because originally I was
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: trying to keep open-minded about the whole thing, even though
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: in the back of my mind, I was like, I
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: think I want a cesarean. And they did speak about
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of the risks associated with vaginal birth. I mean,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: there wasn't a pamphlet and the different implements like that
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: and talking about fourth degree tears.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, that.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Decision has been made for me. In saying that though,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: there are so many people that have positive experiences giving
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: birth vaginally, just like they are with cesareans. And then
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: there are also people that have negative experiences. Like at
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, if you educate yourself on
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: what the risks are, you need to work out what's
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: best for you. I just don't even understand why people
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: feel the need to shame others about their own personal
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: choices on their own bodies. It's like the whole breastfeeding
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and formula thing as well. It's like, just let people
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: do whatever they want. Today, we're trialing a new segment.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: It's called the Friday News Dump. Essentially, it's an influencer
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: news version of an Instagram photo dump. So we're going
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to run through some top line stories that are creating
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: buzz online. The first is about Emily Hembrough. So she
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: is set to release her own podcast called Let's Be Real.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So the podcast promises to offer listeners an honest look
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: behind the scenes at the highs and lows of motherhood
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: and entrepreneurship. Now, what's most interesting about this podcast announcement
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: is the fact that Emily is partnering with Nova, who
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: also happened to partner with Emily's former brother-in-law, Matt Sikowsky's podcast,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Where's Your Head At? How awkward.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I'm actually wondering, did the team at Nova listen to
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that controversial interview that Emily did on his show and thought.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Wow, look at the ratings? Look at how outspoken she is.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: We need this.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Girl on our network.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I'm calling it. Her first guest will be Tammy and
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: they'll do a tell all about that.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I hope so.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Now, in influencer real estate news, Ellie Watson has shocked
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: her followers after listing her Gold Coast hinterland home for sale. Now,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the property known as the Vale Casa was billed as
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the family's forever home. However, since sharing the incredible renovations online,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: The family have been bombarded with offers, so they finally
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: decided to put the property on the market. This is
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: a bit like Georgie Stevenson. This is what she did
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: with her dream home. Yeah, but it was a little
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: bit different because she realized that her dream home no
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: longer suited her family because she was growing her family.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: She had another baby. She's like, oh, God, I don't
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: think this five-story mansion is going to do.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: It for me.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were also getting a lot of big offers,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Georgie said in one of her podcasts. Now, just back
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to Ellie's home, and it's set to go under the
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: hammer on the 15th of November. So she and her husband, Alex,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: are set to more than double their investment with.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: A bidding war expected.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So in 2021, they paid just over $ 1. 4 million for
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the home. It is absolutely stunning. It's going to go
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: for so much. I mean, let's hope it's a good auction.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: After the blocks auction, I'm feeling bloody nervous for them.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Do we know where she's moving to? They haven't disclosed,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: but they said that they're looking for a new home
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: to renovate. So, I mean, that's going to be great
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: for a YouTube engagement because everybody loved following along. She's
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: got such beautiful style. Now, on a local front for
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: us Adelaide girls, Adelaide content creator Ella McGrath, better known
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: as Smiley Citrus, has revealed she made over $ 44, 000 this
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: month purely from content creation. Now, this is the largest
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: amount of money Ella has ever made as a content
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: creator in one month. So she quit her full-time job
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: over a year and a half ago. And amazingly, she's
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: earned nearly the same amount in one month as a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: content creator than what she would have earned in a
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: whole year as a travel agent. To put it into perspective,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: she's got around 100,000 followers on Instagram and has hit
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: the 70K mark on YouTube. That is big money.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: And she's put it down to diversifying her income streams
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and also the content she shares. So originally she was
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: known for talking about her personal finances, which she obviously
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: has continued to do. And she also talks about home
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and lifestyle as well as her journey into motherhood. Now,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I love all of these pervy details. So she revealed
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that she made over $ 2, 000 on YouTube, 4,000 on affiliate
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: links and over 37,000 on brand deals. I mean, if
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that doesn't tell you that micro-influencers are cleaning up in
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the advertising space. Do we consider someone with 100,000 a
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: micro-influencer though? Well, if you compare her to say a
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Tammy Hembrough who's got what, like 15 million followers or
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Sarah's Day who's got a million, yeah, in the scheme
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: of things, 100,000 is a micro-influencer. I think they're mega-influencers.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think she's on the cusp. Like I
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: think she's probably just surpassed being a micro-influencer. I liked
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: how she reiterated to her followers that she wasn't a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: big content creator and said, This just goes to show
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: there is so much money and so much opportunity in
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: this industry and truly anything is possible. Also the fact
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: that she was pouring her home brand milk into her
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: ice latte and she was wearing a Kmart top. I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: think that just shows that she is one of the people.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Now moving on, Molly Mae's mum, Debbie Gordon, has hinted
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: she may be starting her own YouTube channel. Now I
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: officially want to create a petition to make sure this
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: actually happens because Debbie is hilarious. So during her daughter
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Zoe Ray's recent vlog, She poked fun at influencers who
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: were always annoyingly tapping on products. I'm going to insert
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: a clip.
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: Mum is.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: A frustrated vlogger. FaceTimed me the other day and she
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: was doing a haul of some unbits that she got
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: from MyProtein. And she was like picking all the jumpers
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: up and like... Doing this on all the labels and
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: stuff on the jumpers. You're really staring. And then you
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: were like, and then what were you saying about the jumpers?
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: What was the word? I'm obsessed.
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: Obsessed?
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Sorry.
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: She picks up and she goes, guys, I'm so obsessed.
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: Like really taking a mick out of her. I'm super excited.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: I'm obsessed.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: She went on to reveal that she'd actually been inspired
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: by Anastasia Kingsnorth's mum, Julie, who created her own YouTube
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: channel off the back of her daughter's fame. So Julie
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: started the YouTube channel a couple of years ago at
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: the age of 50, and she's managed to make YouTubing
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: her full-time job. Her videos are hilarious because they're just
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: so relaxing. It's literally her filming herself doing an M &
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: S haul or her going to Tesco. There's not much
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: to them, but I actually watch them and find them
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: quite relaxing. I mean, it makes sense that Molly Mae's
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: mom wants to get in on the action. Zoe Ray,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: her sister, has, and she's now become one of the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: UK's most popular influencers.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: So why not get involved?
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: And Zoe's husband, Danny as well. I actually think that
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: he's about to announce that he's leaving the army because
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: his YouTube channel has taken off. He's got, I think
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: nearly a hundred thousand followers on Instagram as well. And
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you can tell that Zoe joining YouTube has changed their
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: life because they're just having this brand new house built
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: like before they were having to live in this tiny apartment.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: So It is incredible what social media has done for
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: that family. Very lucrative for them. Now, the rumor mill
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: is in overdrive that Robert Irwin has a new girlfriend. Now,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I can hear Gen Z's hearts breaking across the country
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: as I say this. Now, Robert, who is currently competing
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: on the US version of Dancing with the Stars, is
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: rumored to be dating 19-year-old American professional dancer Hayley Bills,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: who is also appearing on Dancing with the Stars. Celebrity
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: gossip account Dubois broke the news, sharing an email on
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Tuesday which tipped them off. It said everyone's favorite Dancing
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: with the Stars bachelor has paused his search for his
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: American dream girl to have some playtime beyond the ballroom.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: He went on to say, my sources tell me he's
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: been spotted a few times getting cozy with a brunette,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the same one he follows around on set. She's the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: only troop member he follows on Instagram. Now, everyone online
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: has been saying that Robert's rumored new girlfriend looks a
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: lot like his sister Bindi Irwin. I can't see it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: What?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think they look similar at all.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that one person just commented and everyone's
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: run with it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: We've got time for today. Thank you so much for
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: listening to another episode of Outspoken. If you want to
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: follow us on Instagram, we are at Outspoken underscore the
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• 27:51
  Speaker 2: land of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. We
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: pay respect to elders past and present.