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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-13-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Sean O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 2: Have it Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody, Welcome to the Shot o'connalls Show.
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  Speaker 2: Glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 3: We got a fun one lined up for you, brought
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  Speaker 3: South Maine. Little Bird told me Patrick and Michelle are
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  Speaker 3: actually going to be in here today during the hot Lunch.
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  Speaker 3: Looking forward to that and the delicious food that they
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  Speaker 3: are sure to provide. On top of that, they're giving
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  Speaker 3: the hat for two club level tickets to a February
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  Speaker 3: Enjoy the vibes, Enjoy the drinks, enjoy the food, and say,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, by the way, I heard about this on
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  Speaker 3: the Sean O'Connell show. Can I enter my name to
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  Speaker 3: win those mammoth tickets and they will say, yeah, of course,
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  Speaker 3: I'll take your name down, They'll put it in the
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  Speaker 3: little fish bowl and then they'll draw it. I think
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  Speaker 3: February fourth is the day that we decided.
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chays is.
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  Speaker 3: Going to swing by here in about half an hour
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  Speaker 3: Jerem Jordan for some Red and Blue at noon, Jeff
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  Speaker 3: Schwartz one o'clock, and I've been told JB Long is
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  Speaker 3: coming on at one point thirty. We missed him yesterday
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  Speaker 3: because there was a confusion about Pacific time Mountain time,
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  Speaker 3: which happens JB Voice of the Rams.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone knows that by now you hear him over on
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  Speaker 4: the fan. He lives in La Area, of course, being
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  Speaker 4: the Voice of the Rams. So yeah, sometimes our time
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  Speaker 4: zones gets get mixed up. So we're we're doing a
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  Speaker 4: bit of a We're trying again today I made it
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  Speaker 4: more clear and thirty Mountain time twelve thirty pacifics So
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  Speaker 4: I feel good about getting him on today.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a little bit of.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit of anngst about the fact that we
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  Speaker 3: are the forgotten time zone. No one ever lists Mountain
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  Speaker 3: Time for anything except if you live in Mountain time,
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  Speaker 3: true specific time. People think theirs is the only one
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  Speaker 3: that matters. East Coast people think there's the only one
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  Speaker 3: that matters all of the television games and things like that. Nashally,
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  Speaker 3: they're listed at the Eastern time start, and Central would
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  Speaker 3: be the next. And no one ever, no one ever
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  Speaker 3: considers us here in Mountain Time, even though it is
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  Speaker 3: the best time zone for watching sports by far.
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  Speaker 2: It is, and.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, it's it's pretty clear to me why why we're
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  Speaker 4: forgotten East Coast. You got all that population, all those
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  Speaker 4: population centers the East Coast and the biggest of which
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  Speaker 4: of course New York City.
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  Speaker 2: West coast, you got a bunch of population.
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  Speaker 4: Centers to La being the being the biggest, San Francisco too,
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  Speaker 4: and then Central time you got Chicago, huge population center.
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  Speaker 4: You got a bunch of those in the in the
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  Speaker 4: upper Midwest. To Mountain I mean, you got Denver, you
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  Speaker 4: have Phoenix is technically Mountain time, although they're weird because
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  Speaker 4: they don't do the daylight savings.
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  Speaker 2: Only Mountain Time half the year.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you got Salt Lake City. Those are
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  Speaker 4: just there's just way less, there's way less people. So
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  Speaker 4: the people that don't live here don't think that it exists,
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  Speaker 4: but it does. Right, shots fired on Boise not even
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  Speaker 4: being mentioned. Okay, boy, you're right Boise. Okay, Wow, shout
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  Speaker 4: out to Boise is very upset at you right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 4: Games massive in the Mountain time zone is neglected and overlooked,
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  Speaker 4: and that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Scheyenne, Wyoming. And you know what Vegas is specific time zone?
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  Speaker 2: We can't we can't even Yeah, Vegas isn't even mountain.
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  Speaker 3: We can't even add them to our our list of
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  Speaker 3: overlooked metropoli.
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  Speaker 2: So there is it. Metropolis is or metropoli doesn't matter?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 3: There are eight NFL head coaching jobs open. Will there
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  Speaker 3: be a ninth? After last night Texans win thirty to
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  Speaker 3: six over the Steelers, and it has that heavy feeling
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  Speaker 3: of perhaps being an end of an era in Pittsburgh.
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  Speaker 3: They haven't won a playoff game since twenty seventeen, which
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL is an eternity. Now, this is a
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  Speaker 3: proud franchise, This is a storied, championship caliber franchise that
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  Speaker 3: the expectations more reasonably than a lot of play I says, are, hey,
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  Speaker 3: we got to be Super Bowl competitors, and and you
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  Speaker 3: can't win playoff games by definition, you're not a Super
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  Speaker 3: Bowl competitor. And it begs this question that I think
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  Speaker 3: is going to hit close to home for a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people here in the state of Utah, because you
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  Speaker 3: have to ask yourself if you're a member of a
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  Speaker 3: fan base like this one, if you're part of the Steelers.
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  Speaker 2: Faithful, what do they call themselves? Do they call themselves something?
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  Speaker 3: It's forty nine ers faithful, It's Bill's Mafia, Bang Bang
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  Speaker 3: Niner Gang.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: The Seahawks fans call themselves the twelves. Do the Steelers
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  Speaker 3: call themselves anything?
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  Speaker 2: Boring?
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  Speaker 4: Steeler Nation? It applies because they are literally they have
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  Speaker 4: all over the nation.
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  Speaker 2: But it's boring. That is a boring one about How
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  Speaker 2: about Steel City?
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  Speaker 4: Something steel curteel City, the Steel City suckers, whatever suck.
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  Speaker 4: But you nowl waivers in every place in sports, you
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  Speaker 4: have to ask yourself at some point if good is
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  Speaker 4: the enemy of great And that's where the Steelers might
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  Speaker 4: be right now, because as long as Mike Tomlin is there,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to be good, and Mike Tomlin has probably
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  Speaker 4: coached them into playoff contention scenarios when their roster didn't
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  Speaker 4: dictate that. And now he's getting blamed for because this
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  Speaker 4: is what happens when you're the head coach.
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  Speaker 2: You have to produce. He's getting blamed for.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that they haven't won these playoff games, that
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  Speaker 3: getting there is no longer good enough and probably shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be for a franchise like the Pittsburgh Steelers. The goalposts
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  Speaker 3: move a lot when you're talking about the Houston Texans,
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  Speaker 3: who are happy to be here. When you're talking about
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  Speaker 3: the Jacksonville Jaguars, it's a different level of calculus if
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about somebody like the Cincinnati Bengals, who it's
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  Speaker 3: been such a long time, I'm that before since they
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  Speaker 3: won anything. Right, are we going to see Mike Tomlin's
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  Speaker 3: name add to the elephant graveyard of had football coaches
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  Speaker 3: this NFL offseason?
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  Speaker 4: And if so, I mean, how appealing is that job,
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  Speaker 4: How big of a job is that?
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  Speaker 3: And does that job come with the inheritance of Aaron
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  Speaker 3: Rodgers who he was a little grumpy last night, but
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers defied my expectations this year getting the Steelers
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  Speaker 3: to the playoffs, and he himself staying mostly out of
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  Speaker 3: the distracting headlines? Is good the enemy of great to
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  Speaker 3: an extent that you don't want a good coach anymore?
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  Speaker 3: This is something for Utah in basketball, for Utah in
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  Speaker 3: football especially that a lot of people, especially after last
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  Speaker 3: night and we're going to get to the Celestie Moas situation, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people have zoomed out and taken a
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  Speaker 3: look at the career and the legacy of he who
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  Speaker 3: shall not be named, the current Michigan head coach, and
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  Speaker 3: they've said, man is good the enemy of great in
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  Speaker 3: that situation because there's absolutely zero doubt that he is
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  Speaker 3: a good coach. I think he's a great coach, But
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  Speaker 3: how many great teams did he coach up and put
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  Speaker 3: together like great ones, truly great ones that achieved championship
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  Speaker 3: caliber success?
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  Speaker 2: Three is the answer, by.
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  Speaker 3: The way, when you talk about good years versus great years,
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  Speaker 3: three great years.
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  Speaker 2: This last year a very very good.
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  Speaker 3: Year, and I think it's a little bit silly to
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  Speaker 3: expect on a regular basis more than very very good.
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  Speaker 3: I was heavily critical of some decisions that were made
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  Speaker 3: in that BYU game that separated good from great. So
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  Speaker 3: maybe I am actually, without consciously identifying myself as this,
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  Speaker 3: maybe I'm on the team of the people who are
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  Speaker 3: just like that. Needed to happen, go away, time to
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  Speaker 3: be gone. You're now embarking in an era in college
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  Speaker 3: football where you can't be good.
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  Speaker 2: If you're Utah football, you have to be great.
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  Speaker 3: And Morgan Scally and his assistant staff and the players,
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  Speaker 3: especially this first crop of players that are his first
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  Speaker 3: team that he's the head coach of. These guys have
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  Speaker 3: some heavy responsibility to shoulder in setting the found and
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  Speaker 3: laying a stage for greatness to grow from. Do I
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  Speaker 3: expect year one to be a great year, to be
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  Speaker 3: a conference championship year.
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  Speaker 2: I expect to be in the conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I expect to play tough against a schedule that sets
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  Speaker 3: up pretty well for the University of Utah. I expect that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you should be in like week eight nine,
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  Speaker 3: saying all right, here's where the tiebreakers exist. If you
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  Speaker 3: got to if you win this and they lose that,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's reasonable to say, yep, win it all.
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  Speaker 3: The first year, be undefeated the first year, especially given
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  Speaker 3: some of the attrition from both the coaching staff and
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  Speaker 3: from the player personnel. But I was thinking last night
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  Speaker 3: as I watched the end of that Steelers game, like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, the Steelers are a good team, and the
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  Speaker 3: Steelers look like they're gonna stay a good team as
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  Speaker 3: long as that guy's there, Are they ever going to
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  Speaker 3: be a great team again? As he lost the fastball?
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  Speaker 3: Is it a personnel thing? And out of Mike tom thing?
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  Speaker 3: Can you separate those two? Was Aaron Rodgers an asset
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  Speaker 3: or a hindrance based on what they wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: this year? Do you factor in injuries to the demolition
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  Speaker 3: at the hands of the Houston Texans last night? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you're owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, you have to
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  Speaker 3: look at things and say, all right, what is standing
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  Speaker 3: in the way of our greatness, of our potential greatness. Well,
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  Speaker 3: we haven't really had franchise quarterback in a while, not
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  Speaker 3: a real one. We haven't really hit on the draft
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  Speaker 3: picks the way that I would like to. We don't
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  Speaker 3: have the household names that we used to have. Do
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  Speaker 3: I need to make a change at the top in
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  Speaker 3: order to achieve what we're talking about here, and there's
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  Speaker 3: a strong contingent of ute fans who who are screaming
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  Speaker 3: at their radios right now saying, yes, this is exactly
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  Speaker 3: what I've been talking about. This is exactly why I'm
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  Speaker 3: rejoicing over the fact that he who shall not be
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  Speaker 3: named is now the head coach of Michigan instead of
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  Speaker 3: at the University of Utah because he.
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  Speaker 4: Was really good, but he wasn't great. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if I agree with that.
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  Speaker 3: But I understand that that mentality exists for some of
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  Speaker 3: the fan base.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, there's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people.
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  Speaker 3: Dan Patrick was talking about this, There's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people who say, if the Steelers move
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  Speaker 3: on from Mike Tomlin, what a mistake that is. Because
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  Speaker 3: national perception of Mike Tomlin is that he's still an
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  Speaker 3: excellent coach, that he still does have the fastball, that
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  Speaker 3: circumstances are more responsible for the fact that you've been
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  Speaker 3: on this playoff wind drought in Pittsburgh, and that the
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  Speaker 3: next team to pick up Mike Tomlin if Pittsburgh moves on,
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  Speaker 3: is the lucky one.
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  Speaker 5: Here.
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  Speaker 3: There's a strong national perception that that's the case with
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  Speaker 3: Utah football. We're gonna have to let it play out
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  Speaker 3: because there's plenty of locals that are just like, no, man,
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  Speaker 3: it was time, and it is time, And I'm Ryder
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  Speaker 3: died with Morgan Scalley now and this was always the
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  Speaker 3: right decision. This was always the right time, this was
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  Speaker 3: the right move, and it's one that was set up
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  Speaker 3: by the man himself for years. So that's the difference
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  Speaker 3: between the Utah situation and the Steelers situation. But are
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  Speaker 3: you the type of sports fan? I should put a
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  Speaker 3: poll up, I didn't. Are you the type of sports
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  Speaker 3: fan that wants your team to be in the playoff
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  Speaker 3: hunt every year but not win a championship?
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  Speaker 2: Really? Are you?
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  Speaker 6: Do?
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  Speaker 3: You want to be like the respectable and in college
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  Speaker 3: sports and pro sports is a little bit different, but
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  Speaker 3: like because the college sports thing matters just as much
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  Speaker 3: here and it's been a long time since the Jazz
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  Speaker 3: were this type of team where you were respectable with
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Jerry Sloan years, you had the greatness.
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  Speaker 3: You would have won championships if Michael Jordan had never
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  Speaker 3: been born.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of a situation.
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  Speaker 3: You were always in the playoffs, you were always right there,
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  Speaker 3: you were and even after John and Carl were gone.
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  Speaker 3: You had Booze, and you had Darren Williams, and you
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  Speaker 3: had Andre Kierlinko, and you had Memdo Kerr. And those
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  Speaker 3: teams were good teams. Those teams were respectable teams. Those
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  Speaker 3: teams were heck, yeah, let's get to the Delta Center
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  Speaker 3: and let's watch these teams play. But you never really
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  Speaker 3: thought that they were gonna win you an NBA championship.
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  Speaker 2: Speak for yourself.
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  Speaker 4: Oh see, there's not a first sixteen year old me
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  Speaker 4: thought you did not think Damito Kerr was gonna hoist
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  Speaker 4: you Alarry O'Brien, No, I I I could tell you.
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  Speaker 4: I felt like that Jazz team, the seven and eight
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  Speaker 4: teams with you Will and Boozer. I did think that
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  Speaker 4: they were probably closer than they actually were as a
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  Speaker 4: as a high scorer.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Shaq and Kobe existed in the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: Shack was a show of themselves and while Kobe still
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  Speaker 4: was in their way, yeah, I mean, and they almost
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  Speaker 4: took him down.
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  Speaker 3: And they I admired the idealism of youth. So that's great,
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know that they weren't. They weren't as
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  Speaker 3: close as I don't know that the grown adults that
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  Speaker 3: were watching those teams thought that they were gonna win
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  Speaker 3: you an NBA championship.
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  Speaker 4: But those adults, you, you, being one of them, knew
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  Speaker 4: the goods as far as jazz history went, had just passed.
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  Speaker 4: Like we saw teams that could win championships. Here, they're
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  Speaker 4: much better. The Stockton alone led teams were much better
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  Speaker 4: than this team, which is a nice team.
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  Speaker 2: Nice team, very nice team. And again nothing to sneeze at.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you had Olympians on that team, you had
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  Speaker 3: all stars on that team. They made it all the
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  Speaker 3: way to the Western Conference finals that one year. Like
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  Speaker 3: there were good things about that team.
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  Speaker 4: If Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant and Lebron James didn't exist,
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  Speaker 4: Dwight Howard didn't exist, maybe they could have been champions.
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  Speaker 2: It's not that close again, And.
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  Speaker 4: Look, and the Jazz are so far from The Jazz
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  Speaker 4: are so far away from this right now. And you
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  Speaker 4: look at the Utah Mammoth, right who we expect to
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  Speaker 4: be in that playoff hut, they're kind of they're right
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  Speaker 4: there in that bubble conversation where they we thought they
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  Speaker 4: would be, where they projected themselves to be, right, and
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  Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, this is an awesome team, this is
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  Speaker 4: a fun team.
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  Speaker 2: We like this team. We love this team.
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  Speaker 3: We don't want to change anything about this team.
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  Speaker 2: You are going to get to a point, not this year.
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  Speaker 3: You are going to get to a point where Ryan Smith,
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  Speaker 3: the entertainment group, Bear Turney, Bill Armstrong, they have to
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  Speaker 3: make some decisions on whether or not good is the
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  Speaker 3: enemy of great. They have to make some decisions on like,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: hey man, we love Veggie Famelica has been awesome, but
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  Speaker 3: it has he been good enough? Can we see him
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  Speaker 3: putting together like a Brovsky type run in the Stanley
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  Speaker 3: Cup playoffs and into the finals? And I hate using
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  Speaker 3: Veggie as the example because I love that guy, but
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's had one shutout this year, and that's
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  Speaker 3: part of the nature of the changing world in NHL hockey.
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  Speaker 3: But it's also part of are you going to have
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  Speaker 3: that conversation?
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  Speaker 2: Not this year? You're not the Jazz right now.
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  Speaker 3: The Jazz right now are in a different kind of
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  Speaker 3: is good the enemy of great? Because they're good enough
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  Speaker 3: to not be the worst team in the league and potentially.
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  Speaker 2: Lose a draft pick.
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  Speaker 4: So just barely good is a big time enemy of
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  Speaker 4: great potentially for jazz in their future. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 4: think you're I think this is the right fan base
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  Speaker 4: to be asking this type of question too, because I
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  Speaker 4: think in the Stockton Malone days, I think in the
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  Speaker 4: d Will Boozer days, I found myself and I only
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  Speaker 4: saw the tail end of the Stockton Alone days that
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  Speaker 4: I remember. I remember the finals runs barely right, and
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  Speaker 4: then I remember them trying to continue that at the
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  Speaker 4: end of their careers and then not being able to.
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  Speaker 4: Even with that little bit of glimpse of how of
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  Speaker 4: the glory days of the jazz, I found myself in
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  Speaker 4: the d Will Boozer days going, this isn't good enough.
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  Speaker 4: Being good is not good enough. You have to you
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  Speaker 4: have to contend for championships. You have to win a
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  Speaker 4: championship at some point. So I think that there's now
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  Speaker 4: there's a whole other generation now that it that never
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  Speaker 4: tasted that, that never saw that kind of thing. Donovan Mitchell,
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  Speaker 4: Rudy Gobert, notwithstanding that, that era, notwithstanding that may not
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  Speaker 4: have that perspective, but there's enough that remember both of
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  Speaker 4: those eras that are that they were probably felt the
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  Speaker 4: way I did. We're like, no, this is it's not
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  Speaker 4: okay just to be good. It is good is the
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  Speaker 4: enemy of great and a lot of those fans are
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  Speaker 4: by U and Utah fans too.
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  Speaker 3: Look and b YU b YU football this year was
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: in that situation where they were like, wow, we have
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: a really really good team, and they did. The team
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: was borderline great, they just weren't. I mean, it's very
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: similar to that that ninety eight Jazz or whatever.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: From a from a one conference perspective five, not from
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: a national perspective, but from from your your conference, right, Like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: if Texas Tech didn't have the roster they had this year,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: then BYU was the best team in the conference. And
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: we saw every other game that we needed to see.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: B YU beat every other team that was good in
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the conference. And they did it facing adversity in every
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: good team they faced. They were they were down, which
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: in that GNE they still overcame it. So they they
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: proved that no matter what they are, they were good
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: enough to to maybe you win the conference if Texas
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: Tech didn't exist.
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: So if you're BYU fan, right, and they've done a
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: remarkable job of roster retention this year, do you know
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: how massive it is that Flatau Satawala is not in
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: the transfer portal right now, do you know how huge
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: that is because I promise you.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Jay Hill wants that guy to go to Michigan absolutely,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Like it's insane to me that that hasn't happened. That
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: you have to give credit where it's due for BYU
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: And I know Utah fans hate this, but they just
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: have the money to do it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: It's not like those conversations didn't happen. It's not like
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Kolonie Satake is an ignorant person or naive to the
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: fact that, like, oh, this is one of the best
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: young players in college football right now and his guy
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: just went to a blue blood And we saw it
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: with Celesimo yesterday, we saw it with John Henry Daily,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: we saw it with jonaala A, We saw it with
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: like those guys have relationships with, especially Lewis Powell, but
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: with that Michigan staff, and that's why they're gone.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: That's a huge reason why they're gone. And right, yeah, and.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: Vala Telstwala has that relationship with Jay Hill. He also
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: has it with Jernaro Guilferty, also has it with Kelly Papinga.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: He also has it with guys that are still at
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: BYU and they've got the funds to say, hey, just
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: stay put and look, they got three more days to
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: hold the door.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: They got three more You like Game of Thrones? Yeah, okay,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: there's not that long ago. USD was the best HBO series,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: and I said, I hadn't seen any one of those.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: I'm caught up on Game of Thrones. I'm getting caught
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: up on the wife.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: All right. I like it, James, I'm getting there. Welcome James.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: But BYU was in that situation this year where they're
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: just like, Wow, this really, really, really good team. Is
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: there anything on this team in this organization that is
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: the enemy of great?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Do we not have.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: The wide receivers? Do we not have the offensive line play?
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Do we not have the turnover generators on defense? I mean,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: and for BYU, by the way, it was a lot
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: harder to sift through and say, well, what are we
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: lacking here? Because Parker Kingston had a great year, Chase
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Roberts was capable of having a much better year than
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: he did. Carson Ryan ended up having a phenomenal year.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Your quarterback was this surprise freshman revelation. I think if
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: you're BYU. You probably say, I think our offensive line
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: could have been a little bit better, but they still
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: did a great job.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: LJ. Martin was the Offensive Player of the year. You
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: can't say there's a.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Problem at the running back position on an eight seven
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: seven three five three zero seven hundred. If you're a
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: BYU fan, What good was the enemy of your great?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: This year?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: For Utah football fans, there's a couple of things. There
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: were plenty of people who said, all right, the old
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: guy is really really good, and that is becoming the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: enemy of great for us. He is the thing standing
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: in the way of us achieving what we could be achieving. Again,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know how I feel about that. I don't
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: know if I can jump on board with that. But
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: we're gonna find out if Morgan scally is better suited
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: to maximize what he can put together.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: There also was that conversation around the quarterbacks this year,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: many times because you had an adult, Devon Dampier, who
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: all indications still point to the idea no news I
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: think is good news here all indications pointing to the
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: idea that you probably hopefully knock on wood, throw the salts,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: do whatever your superstition is you hopefully see Devon Dampier
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: and Bird Fickland battling it out in springball and fall camp,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: that you can utilize both of those guys. But that
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: was a conversation for Utah football fans, particularly with the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: arm talent an injured Devon dam Pier, who even in
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: an ideal situation doesn't have the most NFL ready rocket
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: arm talent is really good.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: You can't dispute.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: The numbers say so, the production says, so, he's really
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: really good. Was that good in any case for Devin
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Dampier and for Utah football the enemy of great And
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: there were a lot of Utah fans that started to
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: get sucked into, well, but what could we be with Bird?
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: What could we be if Bird was our full time starter?
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Look what Bird could do? And we don't know.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Still, we got one full start from Bird and a
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: lot of cool package spot.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Duty and he looked phenomenal.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: And there are guys NFL guys that saw that and said, dude,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: that kid's incredibly talented. And by the way, Bird Ficklin
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: is now, as far as I can tell, in twenty
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: twenty five, twenty twenty six, he is the first ute
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: to make two I resigned announcements. Did you notice that
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: we got the Yeah, we got the December bird from
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: his agent.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Bird is resigned. Everything's good.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: And then we got the official like, let's make an
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Instagram graphic a little a little photoshop page of bird
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: running it back.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: That's this, This most recent one has got to be
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: transfer portals still open. But and I've heard I've heard
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of people nervous about if I'm if I'm
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: gonna enter or not. So this is me confirming I'm staying.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: That's got to be what's behind it, right, not not
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: just simply hey, my agent did the first one. This
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: is this is the one that I want to do. Yeah,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: And and it might be maybe it's just that, but I.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Well, it also might be and it probably is if
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: we're being realistic Michigan Collin and saying, hey man, we
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: like this Underwood kid. But you know how it is
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: there a snap away from being the starter here, we'll
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: let you compete.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Telling them no.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: And it's probably Cal calling and it's probably every other
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: school that is well, maybe not Cal because they've got
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: the they've got the similar situation, but.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: It's probably every school.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, Arizona state, maybe being like, hey, we took
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: a swing at dev big brother for you.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: He's making a difficult on us. What about you?
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Would you like to come down here and play like
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: There's absolutely no chance that bird Fickland, bird Fickland's agent,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: bird Fickland's parents, bird Fickland's high school coach, whoever, was
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: not getting a bunch of calls about what his plans
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: were and was not getting a bunch of overtures for
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: his services, especially by the way, with the attitude that
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: he appears to have, where like, hey, I'm willing to
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: compete because as far as we can tell, bird Fickland
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: and Devin dan Pierre are both very happy with the
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: idea of being on the roster together. Do you know
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: how many quarterbacks of their talent and production capabilities would
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: be territorial and be.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Like, no, man, I don't want to be on that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Like do you think Colorado called Isaac Wilson before they
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: called bird Fickland no chance? For many different reasons, there's
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: no chance that that's the reality. So bird Fickland's secondary
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: announcement is, hey, yes, in December, this was the situation
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: I wanted to be here, And even after the phone
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: calls I got when this transfer portal opened, and even
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: after some big numbers probably came across my agent's desk.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: I love Utah. I love the support I'm getting from
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Utah because Bird last year's Bird Fickland salary and this
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: year's Bird Fickland salary at Utah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Are wildly different.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I can promise you that you were saying you were
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: able to have and we won't I won't make you
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: bring any of that to air, but that the Morgan
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Scale introductory press conference, you doing the show up there
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: and being there for that, you were able to have
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: some some conversations with some people who know these kind
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: of things, talking with people who know face the face
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: and hearing by the way, how what like insanely below
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: market value his deal was last year and they were
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: happy Utah again to quell any rumors of the fact
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: that Utah's not able or willing to compete on the
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: nil front, Utah was happy and able to bring him
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: up to where a lot of people think someone like
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: that should be. Yeah, I may probably probably higher than
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: market value for a backup quarterback, but but around market
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: value for like a quarterback in waiting, if you will,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: and right. Well, and for a guy I mean more importantly,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: a guy who scored ten touchdowns for a team.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Who was really important offense even though he was the backup.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Take the position out of it and be like, well,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: how much do we have to pay for ten touchdowns
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: last year? And this is kind of the number. And
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: so bird Bird made the announcement again.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I'm coming back and we circle back to the original
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: point that that is going to be a question anytime.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: If Devon hurts his groin again, if Devin his arms
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: a little funky again, if there's any issue with Devn
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Dan Pierre again, then there's gonna be people saying we
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: might have great.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Waiting behind good. That's not a situation most teams deal with.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Most teams are like our starters great, our backup's good.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Utah feels like they've got two guys capable of greatness?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Can you hang on to both of them? Because the
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: transfer portals open for another three days.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I'll just say this real quick and then and then
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: we can have to break get to Gordy on the
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: other side, as we do on Tuesday. But does it
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: make you just very in the far reaches of the
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: back of your mind, I'm sure it does for some fans,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: make you go making nervous that there's three days left
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: and he's making the announcement now, like you'd almost prefer
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: to be in the dark until it's closed and then
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: tell us it does like the day or like the
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: day before it's closed, tell us, because just programs and
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: fans have been burned before with this, with this amount
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: of time that's left in this short transferport.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: The reason it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Doesn't scare me now is because of the Demon Williams
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: thing that happened at Washington. Yeah, okay, I think that
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: you know, these guys are all operating with under the
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: advisement of agents for the most part, and most agents
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: are not gonna want to fight whatever battle Ross Dellinger
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: dug up now. Could be different with Big ten, and
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: could be different with Big twelve. But I think that
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: we are all collectively growing into the idea that like
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: this free agency now does have some rules hopefully, and look,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: it's much more of a Wild West than the NFL.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: But if you can get people to sign on the
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: dotted line now, I think what we figured out with
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the Demon Williams situation is that those contracts are actually
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: pretty enforceable, Thank goodness, because if it wasn't, we're screwed completely.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: We'll get back, We'll get back into this.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask Cordy about good being the enemy of
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: great started the conversation because of the Pittsburgh Steelers making
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: the playoffs again but having won a playoff game since
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: twenty seventeen?
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Is it time to move on from the current regime?
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: Because the current regime is really good.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: And highly respected. But is that enough for a fan
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: base like the Steelers fan base? Is that enough for
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: you as a Utah football fan base? Is that enough
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: for you as a Jazz fan base? Is that enough
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: for Gordy Chiaza Or is good the enemy are great?
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: We'll talk about it next on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: ESPN seven hundred ninety two ONEFM.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: As you were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from
• 32:07
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• 32:11
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• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Sean O'Connell shaw on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two AFM,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: we welcome in our resident NBA Guru, Gordy Chiasa.
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: Gordy welcome, How are you, Sewan, I'm doing fine. Thank you.
• 32:31
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• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Your Utah v.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Lux Steeler, Gordy the Utah Jazz just a couple of
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: games ago, a few nights ago, forgot to show up,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: didn't have the shoes on, didn't know what was going like.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Maybe did someone call them all half an hour before
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: the game started and remind them they needed to play?
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: How does it happen?
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Because it does happen to teams on odd occasions, How
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: does it happen that a game can go so bad
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: that you're setting franchise records for poor performance and poor scoring?
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: What happened because you're not ready to play mentally and physically.
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: And the game you're alluding to that was Saturday night
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: where the where the opposing team came along and they
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: were ready to play from the dead go. And then
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: last night's game it was the opposite where the Jazz
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: were determined to win. They came out and played a
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: great game the whole time, in the second half, especially
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: the outscore the Cavaliers sixty nine to fifty, so it's
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: plus nineteen points in the second half. But it's how
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: they did it and showing. The biggest factor in the
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: game was that the Jazz rebounding was sensational. That you said,
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: Nurkice and Larry Market and Kevin Love and Philipowski. They
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: got thirty two rebounds themselves and the front court of
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: the Cavaliers only got thirteen to thirty. Two to thirteen.
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: That was Jared Allen, Evan Boberley and DeAndre Hutton were hunting.
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: We're absolutely outplayed badly by the front court of the Jazz.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Good for them, So what does it bounce back like
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: that after a poor performance on Saturday?
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Tell you about this Jazz team.
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: That they have heart and that they can do it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: And let's not forget the Jazz also had some really
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: tough losses, like last week they lost to the Thunder,
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: the best team in basketball by record. They lost by
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: two points. So the Jazz are focused. They have a
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: bunch of people that can play. Last night game also
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: is that Kante George outplayed outfought outduels Donvin Mitchell and
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: Kyante thirty two points, nine assistants, five rebounds. And again,
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: Larry markins having a career year where he's averaging twenty
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: seven point nine points per game. Last night he gets
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: twenty eight to twelve. So it tells us that the
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: Jazz do have talent and when they're focused and everybody's
• 34:59
  Speaker 8: ready to role that they've been successful. But the biggest
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: factor in the Jazz as far as just the last
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: we'll say ten days minus they're giving us to Charlotte Hornets,
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: has been use of Nurkaice. So Nurkice, I call him
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: show and I call him sir, Sir, mix it up
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: a lot in the lane. I love, yeah, Sir, mixed
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: it up a lot. He's a hammering soul. That guy
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: starts hammering people. But he gets off the bus all right.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: And so in the last in the last seven games,
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: use of Nurkage. He's averaging sixteen point three points per
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: game and twelve rebounds and it's all muscle and hustle,
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: and he's been a big factor for the Jazz. Jazz
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: right now they have fourteen wins, fourteen and twenty six.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: And I know it sounds bizarre saying it, but the
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: playing tournament, the Grizzlies or the ten seed right now
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: they have seventeen wins. So the Jazz mathematically are three
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: wins away from being in the play in tournament. So
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: they're right there. If they're right there, they choose to
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: that's the question. Will they choose to keep this lineup
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: together or they make some changes? That's the question.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Well, what does your gut tell you about the answer
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: to that question.
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: They're going to make sure that they pick they pick
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: this year in the draft, which means that once the
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: rate they're protecteds is they'll make some changes or not
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: play people. That's what manstincts tell me that Jezz point
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: of view, that's better long term for them, you know,
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: for the listeners. Right now, the Jazz first round pick
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: of the twenty twenty sixth strip is protected one through eight.
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: If the Jazz pick number nine, that pick goes to
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: the of all people. Okay, see Thunder.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody wants to see the Thunder get more young assets.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: They're already young and talented enough. You don't want to
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: see that happen.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Going back to this Cavs game, Uh, you mentioned Kiante
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: George out playing Donovan Mitchell in the locker room or
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: in practice or at shoot around or what is the
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: conversation like when you've got a young player with the
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: capabilities that Kante George is showing, going up against the
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: guy of Donovan Mitchell's caliber, going up against the team
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: who has that type of guy, do you say, hey, look,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: we're gonna cut you loose this game. We want to
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: see how you can do, like, don't let Donovan out
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: play you. I mean, how do you talk to these
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: guys when they know they're going up against someone that
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: is in some ways their equivalents, even with the same
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: franchise in the past.
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm sure the Kochi staff made that point to
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: him that being a strike mode be an attacker, and
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: that's what he did the whole game. He went after,
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: he went after the front the backcourt of Donvin Mitchell
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: and Darius Calling and Sam Merrill, and they couldn't stay
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: in front of him, and he lived. He lived in
• 37:56
  Speaker 8: the lank Also, Donvin Mitchell helped him by playing lively
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: the whole game. Do you realize last night's game that
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: chant de George didn't commit a foul, Larry Markining didn't
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: commit a soul defensively, and most of all, this guy
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: fouls all the time in a good way. You said,
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: Nukage committed only one Stoul. So that illustrates the point
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: about where the Cabs were passive and the Jazz were
• 38:20
  Speaker 8: absolutely aggressive taking a ball to the basket and hammering
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: the calves on the board. So Chiant de George, he
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: was ready to play from the beginning to being a
• 38:31
  Speaker 8: strike mode with the ball.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: Gordon Chase is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: H Lebron James has a special twenty three seasons patch
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: on his jersey now, and I was listening to a
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: conversation this morning talking about you know what that means
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: for him, what that means for the game, how you
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: keep him in the game if this is his last
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: year or for next year is his last year. No
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: one's ever done it as long as he has. No
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: one's ever done it, certainly at this level, for as
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: long as he had. I don't know if we need
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: a commemorative patch on his jersey, but just it does
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: highlight his contribution to the game over two plus decades now, Yeah,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: very much.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, So the NBA is honoring him as far as
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: almost like an appreciation award, as far as having that
• 39:16
  Speaker 8: patch now. The players, many of the players really respect
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: Lebron to the ultimate to play that long. Think about it,
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: for twenty three years he's been top of his game,
• 39:27
  Speaker 8: and every scouting report, everyone has tried to slow him
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: down and no one really has. And so now he's
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: still really a top twenty five player in the NBA.
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: And we'll find out this is last year or not.
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: But it is well deserved award that he minus so
• 39:47
  Speaker 8: long time ago when he said I'm taking my talents
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: to Miami, and that was like a big thing when
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: he did that. That was the only I would say
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: thing he did add a character. Rest of the time,
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: he's played well, He's stayed straight in a straight path
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: as far as the NBA, and he's been an absolutely
• 40:06
  Speaker 8: model citizen.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Boar.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Do you you told James you feel like that maybe
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: the Bulls and the Suns are underrated?
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, Right now, let's collect the Suns. The Sun's really
• 40:21
  Speaker 8: having a great year that people will realize the Suns
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: right now they're sixteen, they're twenty four and fifteen, and
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: so if the playoffs started today, they've beat in the playoffs,
• 40:31
  Speaker 8: they be playing, ironically the Nuggets, who are over achieved.
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: Also with so many injuries they have this year, so
• 40:37
  Speaker 8: let's go quick. Quick with the Suns is that they
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: have the best record since Christmas Day. They're note in
• 40:44
  Speaker 8: two since then, so as we speak right now, they're
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: not in two. Their rookie head coach Jordan Ott has
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: done a good job with their team as far as
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: getting focused. So with that said, Devin Bookers, we all
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: like tremendous score averaging two twenty five points a game
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: and six point four assists, the record Canadian. He's under
• 41:05
  Speaker 8: your team. You really like him. So the Phoenix Suns
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: Dylan Brooks, whose reno is very ultra aggressive. He's averaging
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: twenty one point two points per game and one point
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: two steals. And speaking of steals, how do you turn
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: around a team is that you steal the ball and
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: you're aggressive. So the Sons are first in the NBA
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: in most steels per game at ten point four, so
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: they steal the ball and getting transition. And then this
• 41:32
  Speaker 8: guy was in the ger League for the last two years.
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: He was undrafted. He's played in every game this year.
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: Now he starts with them. His name is Colin Gillespie.
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: He was undrafted in twenty twenty two out of villain
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: Over and he's given them tremendous play by him playing
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: starting up point guard. Now that allows Devin Brooker to play.
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: It's not the position as far as being a score
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: and the passer also would score first. So Gillespie's averaging
• 41:59
  Speaker 8: thirteen point two points per game, five assists, one point
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: four steals, and shooting from three point range forty percent.
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: And so that's why they've done a tremendous job. The
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: Sun's at twenty four and fifteen, and it just shows
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: you very similar to the Jazz with cant de George.
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: When the Jazz play him off the ball, he's absolute
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: dynamic scorer. And when the Jefs put in the game
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: Isaiah Kalia, he's a willing, pass happy player. So last
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: night he gets eight assists in the game, the Jazz
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: win and County George gets what thirty two points. It's
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: it's not one thing, it's everything. White teams win, the
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: pieces fit on the floor and they play in harmony.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Wonderful, Cordy, what's your list today?
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: List today? Hey Sean? How about the NFL playoffs with
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: those with the Bears. So with that said, the Bears
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: are having a wonderful season. Is not over yet. With
• 43:02
  Speaker 8: that said, the Jazz played tomorrow night in Chicago. Tonight,
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: the Bulls played tonight in Houston. So the Jazz are
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: going to be in Chicago watching the Bulls play in Houston,
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: and then later on the Jets back to back Wednesday
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: night with the Bulls and they go to Jazz play
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: Thursday in Dallas. So it's both teams we're going to play.
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: Short ended as far as what being no rest of between,
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: but that's part of the NBA list today. A dozen
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: of the greatest Chicago Bulls players. Remember, now, a long
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: time ago, the Bulls started as an expansion team. Their
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: first year was nineteen sixty six sixty seven. They're the
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: only team in NBA history to qualify for the playoffs
• 43:46
  Speaker 8: in their first season as an expansion team. And let's
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: talk about expansion because you know, Sean they might expand
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: the NBA, which they roll with, possibly a team from
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: Seattle and a team that added from Vegas, where the
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: Bulls entered the NBA. The expansion fee was one point
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: six million. Let's fast forward it to two new teams
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: coming to the NBA, Seattle and Vegas. I'm assuming the
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: expansion fee will be roughly shown nine hundred and fifty
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: million to one billion dollars for the privilege to join
• 44:19
  Speaker 8: the NBA. That's so much the NBA has grown. Here
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: we go. Here's the quick list. The twelfth greatest ever
• 44:25
  Speaker 8: Bulls players. Number twelve Bob Bouza, he played back in
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: the sixties and seventy the average twenty points per game.
• 44:31
  Speaker 8: Number eleven Horace Grant, he had those goggles. Three NBA titles,
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: All Star, All NBA Defensive Team number ten. Reggie Fais,
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: two time All Star, nineteen points a game average, Number
• 44:45
  Speaker 8: nine all time Bulls. His nickname was Storman Norman, Norm
• 44:49
  Speaker 8: Van Leer, All NBA defensive player, tremendous playmaker. Number eight.
• 44:54
  Speaker 8: Nickname was the jet Jet, the jet Walker, All Star player,
• 44:59
  Speaker 8: sweet shooter, eighteen points per game average, first Korea. Number seven.
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: Nickname was the a trained artist. Gilmore is in a
• 45:07
  Speaker 8: Basketball Hall of Fame. Six time All Star. Number five
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: nickname was Butterbean. Bob Love, three time All Star, tremendous
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: all around player. Number five, greatest average Chicago Bulls player.
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: Nickname was the Worm. Dennis Rodman. Three titles with the Bulls,
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: two time Defensive Player of the Year with the Bulls.
• 45:30
  Speaker 8: Number four. He was my friend and colleague. His nickname
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: is mister Bull. Jerry Sloan, two time All Star, eight
• 45:39
  Speaker 8: time All NBA Defensive Team number three, Chicago born and
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: raised Derek Gross, three time All Star with the Bulls,
• 45:50
  Speaker 8: and twenty eleven he was the league MVP. The second
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: greatest Bull player of all time. We all know he is.
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: He was voted is of the fifty greatest players of
• 46:01
  Speaker 8: all time NBA with a tremendous all around game. Scottie
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: Pippen six titles, incredible two way player, and the number
• 46:11
  Speaker 8: one player of all time. You can make a discussion
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: is the greatest player of all time either one or two.
• 46:17
  Speaker 8: Michael Jordan six titles, six MVPs and the finals, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 8: you're gonna make the discussion again. Nobody could stop him
• 46:25
  Speaker 8: as far as one on one. Thus that's my list
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: of the day to Jed play the Bulls tomorrow at
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: United Senate. But you're just as important. The best play
• 46:34
  Speaker 8: also this weekend.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Gordy, before we.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Let you go, I have to ask you one last
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: question pertaining to what we got into at the start
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: of the show today, because you brought up the NFL
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: playoffs the Steelers to me are an example of a
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: franchise there right now has to decide between staying with
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: what they know is good or taking a risk to
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: try to be great, because right now it looks like
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: maybe good is the enemy of great. For the Pittsburgh Steelers,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: they've got this consistency where they can make the playoffs
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: but not advance in the playoffs. And Mike Tomlin, a
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: lot of people think, is the one responsible for that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: So when you're talking about you know, your experience with
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: the Jazz, when we're talking about basketball, football, whatever is
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: good the enemy of great in your mind? Can you
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: get complacent with being good or even really good and
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: because of that failed to be great?
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: Ever?
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, And you're judged by the playoffs. So with
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: that said, the Steelers and now have lost seven straight
• 47:31
  Speaker 8: playoff games in a row, seven in a row. So
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: that tells us that one the ross is not good enough,
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: and two they have to make some sort of change
• 47:40
  Speaker 8: at the top because they're too complacent right now. And
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: at your point is absolutely well taken. And franchise is
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: the judge by playoffs success and that so right now
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: that I was counseling the Steelers, even though you love
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: their greediness for less fifty years they needed as far
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: as their roster and vive at the top. So that's
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: the enemy. As far as being what good but not great, I.
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: Agree, Gordy.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: I always appreciate your time and your insight.
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: You're a great showing the forty nine ers, those guys,
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: hey should They showed their heart and courage the other
• 48:16
  Speaker 8: day on on the road trying to just win. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: also the Patriots showed their talent also recently.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Gordy, I don't know if with my Niners, I
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: don't know if it's great, but it is grit for sure.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: That's a team that has no business winning playoff games
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: with all the injuries they've experienced, including in that game.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: But we keep going bang bang Niner gang, right.
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: Cordy, absolutely very much, and that's that's the that's their
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: coach also, and that's the whole resilience as far as
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: their team love it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: We'll talk again on Thursday. Thanks, Gordy.
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: Yes, peace out showing stay well, Gordy.
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• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Some interesting stuff on the text line we'll touch on
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: real quick. We were talking about good being the enemy
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: of great thirty eight sixty nine says we're thirty years
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: from the Jazz being realistically close.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Thirty years that's that's not true. That's thirty years from now.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: That means the core of your team hasn't been born yet.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: We don't know if you're thirty years we're also the oh,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: thirty years from now, I thought he meant. I thought
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: he was saying thirty years ago was the last thing
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: they were realistically good, which is also not true. Then
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: one seed, like four years ago when they collapse.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe I've interpreting it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Maybe that is what he's saying, that it was thirty
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: years ago that they were good.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: That would make actually more sense. Derek says, being okay
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: with good is the enemy of great. I have friends
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: that are Steelers fans, and they want Tomlin gone because
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: he's not good enough to get them deep in the playoffs.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: They actually compare him to he who must not be
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: named good, not great, great at one point, but now
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: not so much. That's also the thing that's so strange
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: with coaching conversations and knowing when to move on and
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: knowing when you know firing might be necessary. I mean, so,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: John Harbaugh is a really great example of fit and
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: culture and familiarity breeding contempt. Potentially, as soon as John
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: Harbaugh hit the market, everybody contacted him. Everybody, including at
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: least one team, according to reports, that already had a coach.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: So aside from the it would appear that nobody around
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: the NFL or in the NFL thinks that he's done. Okay,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: So so now what do you do? Do You just
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: make the decision that you feel is best for your franchise,
• 51:13
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• 51:17
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  Speaker 3: So if I'm wanting to come down and I'm wanting
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  Speaker 9: Well, the way the bar is set up, it's really interesting.
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  Speaker 9: We could have sound at the bar, and even though
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  Speaker 2: They treat you like family. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: So how has BYU kept their important players out of
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: the transfer portal? They're conspicuously absent in this wild West
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: sweepstakes of player acquisition and of course roster management. It's
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: it's been wildly quiet in Provo after a really good season.
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: A very ute or trim angle there to question why
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: there's good retention we see we see it as people
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: want to be here. Man, they love Kilane, they love
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: the school. The anils competitive. You know a lot of
• 59:28
  Speaker 6: these guys are taken a discount, like we act like
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: you always money bags on me. It's no Texas Tech.
• 59:34
  Speaker 6: You know, Smith Noden's getting offered way more at other places,
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: like you know what I mean, Like it's not always
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: about the money. Although for the men's basketball team, you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: it's you got to be competitive to get an a
• 59:44
  Speaker 6: J and a rod. But like Richie was, I guarantee
• 59:46
  Speaker 6: was offered more to other schools wanted this b a
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: B YU.
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: Yet you have to be competitive. I realized that.
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: But it is incredible. I don't know the answer, dude,
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: because the fact that not a single major contributor or
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 6: starter has left is unbelievable. I think it's crazy, Like
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: not a single dude until today or yesterday. Max Alfred
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 6: went to Michigan.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: That's it. One of the backup linebackers.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: Glasger didn't go, follow tells South to Wala didn't go.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: Keonu Tonny Wasson didn't go It's.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: It's wild, and I expect Yoid to run it back
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 6: and hopefully be in the Big Twill title game. And
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 6: let's let's see if Youoi can't can't win it this time.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: It's it's crazy man.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, that's as much as a ute fan
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: doesn't like to hear this if they're listening right now,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: and as much as the ute in me doesn't necessarily
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: love to say it, like if you're if you're doing
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: this now, your answer has to be the correct one.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: It people want to be here. Yes, they're being fairly compensated. Yes,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: b YU has done a really good job in that effort.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: But even if you have checked those boxes and you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: know the relationships with coaches are not id or you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: don't like the team culture or the communication about how
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: much playing time you're gonna get or what your role
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: on the team is going to be, there's a million
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: things that have sent three thousand plus players into the
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: transfer portal that are not apparently factors at b YU
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: right now. And I think that Kilani and his staff
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: deserve a lot of credit for that.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's incredible. It really speaks to who Klanie
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: is and what his staff is and the fact that honestly,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 6: like you only lost Gennaro Guildford with Jay. You know,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: Gary Anderson wanted to stay, Chad wanted to stay. You
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: bring in Tomorrow Warren, which is a really nice ad.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: The last couple of years.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: Of Boy stayed.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: You know, Southern News aid coach before that, Like he's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: coaching the corners and passing game, defensive coordinator that.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 7: Way, Like that's great.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: Boy added some real beef in the portal. Kate La,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: by the way, might be in the modern era of
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: this portal, the best transfer, like proven guy you always
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 6: ever gotten is the all acc guy, guy that's got
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 6: NFL potential. He is one of the highest rated pass
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: rushing linebackers in Power for He's number two from PFF.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: I mean that was a massive ad.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: You replace Jack Kelly with someone who's as good or
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: perhaps better, And that's.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 7: Crazy to say.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 6: And so I'm stoked man BYU doesn't need to add
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: a ton out of the portal. Incredible continuity and retention.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: They can be very selective in who they add, and
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 6: I really like who they've added so far, and they're
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: not done.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: So we started the show today with a conversation about
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Steelers and the decision around around Mike Tomlin
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: and whether or not good is the enemy of great
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: at some point, and the breaking news is that he's
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: leaving the Steelers after nineteen seasons and these since twenty seventeen,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: you probably get this sense that well, his goodness, his
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: very very goodness, has become somehow an obstacle to them
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: achieving more because why haven't they want a playoff game
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: in that long And like, you can certainly apply this
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: to the transition of power at the University of Utah
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: football program, and you can always apply it to the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: touch as in several different eras. I'm curious if BYU fans,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: if you, as a BYU inside or someone who works
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: very closely with this school and this team looked at
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: anything that they had on the roster this year and said, oh,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: that is maybe not the roster, just anything around the
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: team said that good is the enemy of great. That good,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: right there might be the thing that keeps us from
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: getting over the hump against Texas Tech. Because it's also
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: very possible, and I'd probably lean more this direction where
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: it's just Texas Tech is that good and Texas Tech
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: was the problem, not anything that was going on internally.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think Texas like I tipped the cap completely.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: Self awareness is something that I try to be good
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: at because I hate when people are fake or don't
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: acknowledge the reality of a situation. Texas Tech was way
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: better than BYU. Like they that played out. They were
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: plus seven in margin BOI didn't get a takeaway That
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: wasn't how BYU won games all year and you know
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: Var's ankle didn't help and l J shoulder blah blah blah,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 6: Texas Tech was awesome. BYU has to recruit to be
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: their best selves. But also, how are you going to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: beat Texas Tech? For boy men's basketball, they brought to
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 6: Nard Davison and others because they.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: Said, how do we beat Houston. Houston's the best team
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: in the league. How do we beat Houston?
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: They specifically got a few guys that they felt would
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: help them match up better. And now Houston's the third
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: or fourth best team in the league, which is crazy. Arizona,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 6: Iowa State, Houston, by Texas Tech, there's your top five.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: It's crazy.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: Longer more athletic for BUA football, they had it. They
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: have a good online, they have a good run game.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: What they are missing is a little more explosive down
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: the field in the past game, I think. And then defensively,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: you just got to be able to you got to
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 6: be able to stop the run a little better and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: so and get some takeaways. So you talk those things. Yeah,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: you're boy, it's unique. The thing that so back to
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: your question of what's just good, I don't know, because
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: I think by continues to build and they're very good,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: and they're on the verge of great. Buy was almost
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: great this year. You know they if they beat text
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: Tech in one of those two games, they're in the playoffs,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: and then who knows what happens. Maybe you're Miami and
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 6: you get hot and you never know.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 7: It's crazy.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: I don't know that BUI has something that's holding them back.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: I think it's all like green lights and up arrows.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: Right now, the old line has been reinforced. Can they
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 6: be be better on the edge in terms of breshing
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: the quarterback?
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: Yes?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: Do I think they have one of the best linebacker
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: trios in America. Yes, coming back you bring back Evan
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: Johnson and Trey Alexander Volo tell Soothawalla is a future NFL.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: Guy of Raiders and money back.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: I think defensively, the system and the people that have
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: run out for the most part of their it's really
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: can you do it again? And can you be a
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: little more explosive in the past game? And Bear's going
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: to be a year older. I have no reason to
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: think BYU won't be at least ten and two in
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 6: the regular season, given who they have come back now.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 6: Injuries play a factor of situations, play a factor weather
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: and moments, and you gotta be clutch and lucky and
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 6: healthy and all that stuff. Don't get me wrong, but
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: like Yu feels super confident, they can, as they've said
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 6: on many social media posts, run it back.
• 1:06:22
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  Speaker 2: For this segment.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: There's plenty of time left to answer this question, I suppose,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: and there's three days left in the transfer portal.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Well, they could, I guess, address it.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: But Chase Roberts his year wasn't as spectacular as a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: lot of us expected his year to be, but he's
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: still a really, really tough guy to replace. Is there
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: somebody on this roster already that you're like, well, that's
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: the next body at that position.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 7: In terms of what.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: He is as a six foot four to ten guy
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: that can go up and grab the ball. They don't
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: have that guy per se, although they like, you know,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: the Oregon transfer Kyler Kasper at sixty six to twelve
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: pretty unproven, only have like seven catches in four years there,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: but they feel like maybe he can come in and
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: he's not gonna replace Chase for sure. I think you
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: just ask Parker to do a little more, and then
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: you have you ask Jojo Phillips to do a little more.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: Can Cody Hagen get more involved in the past game,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: can walk her lions as a tight end kind of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 6: replace Carson Ryan there? Frankly, if LJ and this old
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: line can run at the same sort of clip and
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: Barre can even be even better in that space and
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: you can have a tight end, then then you can
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: get open because by is bread and butter, and the
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: explosiveness of the pass game is built on play action,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 6: very kind of what you've seen from Sean McVay and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: the La Rams, and like, how do they get down
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 6: the field, they don't just straight drop back a ton.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: You're trying to get some window dressing, and by you
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 6: successfully did that. For the most part, I think I
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 6: think Parker Kingston can take the next step and kind
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: of be a first email conference kind of guy. And
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: we saw it a bunch of times this year. I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: think he's ready for the next step.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: What was it like watching keel and Marrion go off
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: for Miami in that semi final game?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: Wasn't as painful as I thought because I'm happy for him,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: Like knowing that he was going to get I think
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 6: about double in the NIL is like easier pill to swallow,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: like the dudes, the dudes could win a Natty. I mean,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: super happy for him. What a playmaker. Darius Lassiter is
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 6: a fellow receiver from last year's team twenty four. That is,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 6: he was actually at the game, probably from a ticket
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 6: from Kilan hanging out, which is great. Keelan's good, dude,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: Super happy for him. A kid that was a Yukon,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: you know, to BYU to Miami and playing for Natty,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: So less sort of jealousy and anger and more like
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: I'm happy for him. That's great, good for you man.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: Part of the reason I asked that question is because
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: I think it's something we have to as football fans
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: in this era of college sports especially, you have to
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: be prepared to, you know, root for guys after they
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: move on if they did something good for your franchise,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: for your team. I don't think there's anything wrong with
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: wishing them well at the next spot. I know that's
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: challenging right now, especially for a lot of Utah fans.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: It's very, very raw.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: But it's something that even even if there's not a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: coaching transition and a bunch of coaches have to leave
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: and the transfer portal kills you whatever, it's just something
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: that I don't know when I when I was a fan,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: I was a fan of Jerry Rice growing up as
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: a San Francisco forty nine er, right. And it's not
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: like I hated Jerry Rice when he became a Raider.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't want him to be as good. I'm gonna
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: leave that one out. But or or for when he
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: tried out for the Broncos and got cut. I mean, look,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: it wasn't It was an ignominious in to a glorious career.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: But it's something.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: It's something that we should already be used to, but
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: we're not. And now that free agency is what it
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: is in college sports, it's just something that I think
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: I need to be better at. I think there's there's
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: got to be tools to be better at it. When
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: you see a Kiel and Mary and I was watching
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: that game, I'm just like, man, like that that might hurt.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: If you're a BYU fan.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: And then I was like, but why because this is
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: a dude that, yeah, he could.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Have done some nice things for your team.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think he was the difference between you beating
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Texas Tech or not. And now this is somebody who,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: like you said, gets to compete for a national championship
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: and gets to be prominently featured on that team, and
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: like you said, paid more.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: Is the relationship with the player transactional or transformational?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: What is it are?
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: Do you both benefit or is it just a dude
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: that you paid to catch some passes?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 7: You know, that's the question.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: And it was hopefully transformational for him and and.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: The BA fans.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 6: I think they really liked Quiling. He has a big personality,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: is great and frankly, glents take he's very expert in
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: not running a bridge and maintaining a loving, sincere, meaningful
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: relationship with kids that that by recruited out of high
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: school doesn't work at their school. And then they come
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: to BYU that worked super successfully with Poka Nakua goes
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: to Washington and Kingsley Suwamatia goes to Oregon, and so
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: on and so forth. There's a bunch of these situations like,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: you do it not because you need something from them,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: although you do, you do it because you actually care
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 6: about the kids. And I think that that's the case
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: with Klonie Stock and his staff.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: So the Kougs came up to they came up to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: the Huntsman Center, and I heard that it was it
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: was a half BYU crowd or a forty five percent
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: BYU crowd, and we were all treated to a really fun,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: really great game where Utah rose to the occasion and
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: competed and ultimately came out on the wrong end of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: it against a very very talented BYU team. Did BYU
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: learn a thing about themselves in that game? It feels
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: to me like the running you did certainly did did
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: b YU.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: That's a good question.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: And Utah absolutely was up for that game and played
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: great like I was really impressed by Terrence Brennan Don McHenry, like,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: and yeah, that was great.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 7: That was exactly what.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: We want from YU and Utah, like a like a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: good game, both teams are into it. Like that was fantastic. Obviously,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: I like it more because the Boa one. But like
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: I think Utah, yeah, got a lot of benefit out
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: of that situation because they're gonna play other teams like
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: YU here, you know, I already played Arizona, but there's
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 6: gonna be the Iowa States in the Houston, so on
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: and so forth. Yeah, I think I think Aj, who's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: still eighteen not nineteen, for like a couple of weeks,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: I think he.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: Felt the rivalry.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 6: He felt what it's gonna feel like when you play
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: some of these tougher road games against you know, better
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: teams in similar hostile environments.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 7: I think that was I think that was good.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: It was good that Utah gave him a different look.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 7: No one had doubled him like that, and he.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: Made super quick decisions and got out of most of them.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 6: But then at the end, Utah basically said like, okay, Rob, right,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: you've got to be the one to beat us. And
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: Rob was up to the task scoring eight of you
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 6: always final eighteen points, and Richie Saunders said, hey, I
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: got an offensive rebound here because I want to win
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: here because and they were half and I thought that
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: was Richie's best game as a Cougar.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 7: I really did.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: Caba Kate obviously had some emotion, was good in that one.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: And Kevin Young had a funny story out of the
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: game where he said Cava got his third foul and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 6: Kevin was bringing him over to the bench to sub out,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: and Cave was super quiet and he was yelling at Kevin.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 6: He had never heard him scream, Lauder, don't take me
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: out of this game. So it was very emotional and important.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: I think for Game three of eighteen and the Big twelve,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: absolutely so.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: This this fan base at Utah, I think everyone was like, oh, wow, look,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: this is what it should look like when your basketball
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: arena is full. And let's not pretend it wasn't because
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: it's BYU, right, but like, okay, cool, it can be
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: loud in here. The players loved it, the coaches loved it,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: and I think the fan base to some extent, was
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: just like, we ought to do a little bit more
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: of this because there's there's certainly an energy, and it's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: not a problem that BYU basketball has right now.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: What kind of a the.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: Next time these two teams meet up, it will be
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: in Provolve, So what kind of a home court advantage
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: do you expect the BYU Cougars to experience in that matchup?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: And probably equally importantly, maybe more importantly through the rest
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: of Big Twelve play.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: Oh in eleven days when they play again, which is
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: greazy in the end of next week, I think it's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: gonna be wild.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: I think BYU fans have had unbelievablely great grap crowds
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: so far, and Boy's not played anybody at home. I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 6: think it's gonna be nuts.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 7: I think we're gonna.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: Feel and see things we haven't seen since twenty eleven
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: with Jimmer Ferdett when BOI played tany Ys State. Sean
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: Boy has three potential Top twelve, Top ten matchups in
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: the Marriott Center. I think they've had one all time.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: It's crazy what could happen this year? And it's gonna
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: be epic And these are games that really influence an
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: opportunity to be at top three seed for BYU, and
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 6: you've got to win several of those, probably two of
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: the three. You know, you're gonna go on the road
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 6: and play Texas Tech, and you're gonna play, you know,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: some really huston You're gonna play some tough games. You
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 6: got to win some of these home games against the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 6: big time teams. And it's been very favorable. Merritt Center
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: has been incredible.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 7: It's a who's who.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: There's all kinds of people that want to come see
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: this team and AJ and it's a hard ticket to get.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: And that's why a lot of boy fins went up
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: to the Hunts and Center because they want to see
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: the team play wherever they are there must see TV
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 6: and must see be there in person and everything and
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 6: the energy of the rivalry is great.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: It's gonna be awesome. I think it's gonna be fun.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 6: And oh, by the way, that's on Fox National with
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: my boy Aaron Goldsmith, who calls the games for the Mariners,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 6: so super excited about the showcase that is texting me
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 6: a couple of weeks I'm calling the Holy War. I
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: was like that, You're gonna have fun. Man, You're his
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 6: first time in Provo is a b A U tugging.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 4: Uh. I hate to give credit, but I will do
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: it where it's due. Aj Debontsa somehow pulled off like
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: the most subtle dig where he was talking about the
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: atmosphere at the Huntsman Center and he was like, that
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: was crazy. I was so loud. That was as wild
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: as FC. Well some of my high school games too,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: and it's just.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: Like, oh no, you can't, you can't.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: He started with a compliment and then backhand, well, it's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: kind of like some of my high school games that
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: that was rough, but good autumn, because that's how he
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: should treat it well.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: And frankly, you know, I guess we have a uniquely
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: unique perspective in this because in the WCC you always
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: playing in a bunch of small jams. Ready fans love
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 6: the gym measure, and there's there's a situation there where
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 6: you'd play at Saint Mary's and it's but it's crazy.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 7: I went up to the Kennel for a game. It
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: was crazy.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 6: It's not it's like in the smith Fieldhouse for volleyball frankly,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: that I've called for years. It's not about having like
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: a twenty thousand.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: Seed stadium, per SAE.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 6: It's about like what is the environment when you're in
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: there in that game and it and it's been incredible,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: Like the Huntson Center was rocking Saturday. That was that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: was fun for everybody.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 7: It was a great game.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: Like it's it's fun when the Merritt Center. Yes, it's
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 6: almost nineteen thousand and it's packed every game.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: And it's crazy.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 6: But like, yeah, if AJ had some small high school
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: gym and people were on top of you and it
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 6: was heated, I think he was referring to how sort
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: of intense it was as opposed to sort of the
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: volume or the amount of people there.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's probably fair.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, But and he's he's not the guy to like
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 6: talk trash per se, although like he kind of does,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 6: but he's he's pretty respectful. And I was happy he
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: kind of said, yeah, that was there's some real vitre
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: all there.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Who's going to win the national championship in college football?
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: It's hard not I think Indiana, and especially with Fernando
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: Mendoza being a Miami guy.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: The motivations there. Miami's at home.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: They play tough, physical football. They have all the skill
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: positions necessary to do this. Can they slow down in
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 6: Indiana Indiana is an unbelievable story, not just because they're Indiana,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 6: because they don't have a bunch of five stars. They
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: have a bunch of we want to prove ourselves guys.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: And frankly, I look at that model and I go,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 6: can you read turned into Indiana?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: Can they? Can they do that? They have more?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: If you only have twenty four stars on the roster
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: this year, Sean, They've never had that many. This has
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: got to be the most talented paper paper team ever.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: You don't play on paper, I know, but like you
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 6: want those kind of guys.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: If Indiana can do it, why can't be Whyu or
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: Utah doing? And you know what I mean?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: That's that's exactly what I took away.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: That's I mean, And it's probably naive in some aspects,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: but sure, if that's exactly right. We're so used to
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: it being its Alabama this year, it's Georgia next year,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: it's Ohio State the next year, and now it's like, wait,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: it's Indiana. And Miami hasn't been great for twenty something years,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: and here they are again.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: You know, and Ole miss was in a semi.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: Final, So why not do y U or Utah? Why
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 7: not why not?
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Why not are we putting a cougartail bed on Niner
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: seahawks or something?
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's too all right, let's yeah, like, do you
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: do you want some points then or just straight up?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: We'll just go straight up, okay, because I don't like
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: if I if they lose but cover, I'm not going
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: to feel good anyway, even as I as I'm like,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: even as I'm eating the delicious maple frosting of a
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: cougar tail, it's not going to make me feel better
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: if the Niners are out of the playoffs.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: If they win, go ahead.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Oh, I.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: Was gonna say, I'm wearing a cougartail sweatshirt right now.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: I'm going to send you cougartails have their own merch.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 7: Bro.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: I saw something I don't know where I was yesterday.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: There was something on a TV. Might have been my
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: own house, to my own embarrassment. Did the creamery move?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they have a new it's right behind the
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: old location.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 7: You can't miss it. It's right there.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: It's it's much bigger, and it's it's like a mini
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: grocery store kind of thing.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's way nicer, way nicer.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they had the Cougar pause. They were launching and
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: they had we moved the creamery. I mean, look, we're
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: not going to celebrate a lot of BYU things on
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: the Home of the Utes here, but I'm on board
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: with Cougartails and Graham Graham Canyon.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Let's go, you know, let's give these people some credit.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: Bring back the giant brought worst inside of a Cougartail bun.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: All right, then then I'll say nice things about you.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 6: Okay, I'm sending the picture of my sweatshirt here. It's
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: obviously reverse in the selfie here, but you get the point,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 6: like in the Costco style of like the hot dog
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: like kind of Yeah, it's I wore it today.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 7: I'm big SportsNation, Amazing, amazing.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I always appreciate your time. Jerem. Are you gonna be
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: at Mammoth tonight?
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: Uh? Not tonight, No, but I will be. Let's see
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 7: wins night. Oh, I'll be that.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: Story Stars day. All right, I'll see you there soon.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 7: Awesome.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: Appreciate your time.
• 1:21:23
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• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: He is a Seahawks fan and a Cougars fan. That's like,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: it's pretty remarkable. I actually like that guy because that's
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: a double whammy.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna hold up he's got a cougartail sweatshirt, Like,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna hold it up to the camera.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see it.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: It does look like a you see it, pretty good
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: deep fried donut, sixteen inch cougartail. So what you're saying,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: is that open that I made that's supposed to be
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: tongue in cheek is actually real. He's he is your
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: he is your enemy, but you reluctantly like him.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is that what you're saying. He hasn't done anything wrong,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: but he's blue and he's blue.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: Also, this is an advertisement on the on the T shirt,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: a sixteen inch cougartail, deep fried donut and a twenty
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: ounce soda that this is something we have to figure
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: out in Utah. The fact that at like Swig and
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: places like that. I understand why you want your your
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: giant sodas. I understand why you want your sugar cookies
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: and your donuts. I don't understand why you want to
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 3: put those two things together. You want them together.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: That is serial killer behavior. That is insane. What are
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: we doing? People like a cougartail with milk. Great. You
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: want one of those big old fat crumble.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Cookies or any of the cookie war type locations, great,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: but don't wash it down with mountain dew.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: That makes you a weird though. Get you some.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: Get you some milk, whole milk, skim milk, even chocolate milk,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: which is a little risky.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: But soda. What are we doing? All right?
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• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: or slightly before we touched on it briefly. But Mike Tomlin,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: after nineteen seasons in Pittsburgh, never did he have a
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: losing season as the head coach of the Steelers.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: He's out and he is stepping down.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: This We had someone on the text line say that,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: you know, he has a group of friends that compared
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: the Tomlin situation to the situation with he who shall
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: not be named, And this is a continuation of that.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: This is Mike Tomlin who's stepping down. And there's always
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: going to be a conversation in Pittsburgh about whether or
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: not this was just like, hey, how about you go
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: out on your own terms here, coach. But we're done
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: here and there are a lot of Utah fans who,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: of course feel like that was the case.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: With the previous head coach.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: So nineteen years and now Pittsburgh's got to go in
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: a different direction. By the way, this will be the
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: fourth coach that they've hired since nineteen sixty nine. I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: guess that's when the franchise was founded, right They wait,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: what this is? It's just it's Chuck Noll and Bill
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: Cower and Mike tomlin That's it. And we talked about
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: this last week as one of the reasons why possibly
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: the situation with Utah football changing head coaches and the
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: you know, the former guy taking another job somewhere else
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: and raiding the staff and some of the players and
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: all that, and why why that might be a little
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: why that.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Might be a little bit.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: Part of the reason why it's been taken so hard
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: by the Utah football fan base is that we are
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: so used to head coach continuity here that.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Is still what we're used to.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: Is still nothing compared to that what we just talked
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: about with Pittsburgh, because we've still had double since the
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: Jazz moved to Utah, for example, they still had have
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: had double the amount of head coaches as the Steelers about.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: So Chuck Noll coach from nineteen sixty nine to nineteen
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: ninety one, and then Bill Cower from ninety two to six,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: and then Mike Tomlinsons then the franchise was established in
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: nineteen thirty three, and actually had a bunch of coaches
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: before that, including this. I wish I lived during this
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: time in the sports world in the nineteen thirties and forties,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: and then again in the nineteen fifties.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: There's a guy named Walt Keisling.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: He was the head coach for the Pittsburgh Steelers and
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: the head coach for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Joe Bach his
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 3: immediate predecessor, head coach for the Pittsburgh Pirates and.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: For the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine if, like today, John Harbaugh announced, Hey,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: I am the new head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: I will also be coaching the Braves.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: By the way, O way you bring up John Harbaugh,
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: what if he makes the move to his rival Well,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: he could go to Cleveland also, Well, yeah, that would
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: also be right the AFC North coaching openings right now.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: But what but him going to Cleveland people have talked about,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: Oh man, that would be quite the thing.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: What if he gets to stick into a warmer team.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: He wouldn't be sticking it to the Ravens from with
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: Cleveland quite like he'd be able to from Pittsburgh. And
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: if you're Pittsburgh, I know the rivalry. I know the
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: Rooneyes probably shared the hate for the Ravens and the
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: Purple one Black just like the fan base and and
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: Bill Cower was on with Dan Patrick today incredible interview.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: He mentioned, I I like Brian Billick. That's who the
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: Ravens head coach when he was the was when he
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: was the coach of the Steelers, I did not like
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: him when we played them on the day that we
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: played them.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: I I couldn't.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't shake his hand like all that stuff. So
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: I'm sure the Rooneys share some of that. But if
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 4: you're the Rooneys, I think you should seriously consider bringing
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: John Harbai And why not he It would be plug
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: in play as far as this philosophy, and maybe you
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: need something different, right, But I think that he would.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: I think that he'd be able to continue the Steelers
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: standard and bring them back to to the success you
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: want them they demand there in Pittsburgh. I think he could. Guys,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: we have breaking news. Oh, Devin Dampier is coming back
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: to the University of You.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Let's go. This is incredible.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: He put it out on his own social media Devin
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: dam Peer with with with.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: A Wolf of Wall Street AI edit, He's got the
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: Leonardo DiCaprio character in a Spider Man mask. That Wolf
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: of Wall Street scene where it looks like he's going,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: but then he's like, I'm not leaving Devin Dad Piers
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: back for the twenty twenty sixth season as we expected,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: as we and this has been really interesting.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: We'll do our best. We'll get Devon on as soon
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: as we possibly can. I'm texting him right now to
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: see what he wants to come on. But I'm really
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: curious once we get into the roller coaster, the waves
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: of hey are you going, Hey are you staying? I
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: want to know who was talking to him. I want
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: to know if Michigan was a possibility. It sounded like
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: at some point Arizona State was making a pretty strong overture.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: But he's back at the University of Utah, and I
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: was told to expect that this would be the case.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: So now you've got one of the most unique situations
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: in all of college football, with two guys that on
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: some level are proven to be at least starting caliber quarterbacks.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: There's not a person who watched any of bird Fickland's
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: loan start or even of his spot duties who doesn't
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: think that bird Fickland's capable of being the number one
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: guy on a football team at the power for level
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: I'm talking fans, coaches, opposing players. Everybody looks at that
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: guy and says he can play. So you've got him
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: and Devin Dampier who've decided they're both coming back. They're
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: gonna embrace this competition. They're gonna embrace the dual quarterback situation.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: They're going to embrace the roles that they had already
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: and potentially grow on them. If you're Kevin mcgiven by
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: the way, you are now looking at a situation where
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: it's like, first of all, a lot of pressure, but
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: what a luxury. There are so many coordinators in the country,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: including guys at Power for schools, other big twelve schools
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: that are looking at it and just, oh my gosh,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: I hope we can keep this starting quarterback healthy. If not,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: we are screwed. Oh my gosh, I hope I can
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: get the most out of this guy. Now, Kevin mcgibn
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: is looking at and going like, we got them both.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: We got them both. Unbelievable for the University of Utah.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable style with which Devin dan Pierre announces the return
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: and running back at the quarterback position. Times two Batman
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: and Robin, let's do it.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: Spider Man and oh wait, never mind Spider Man and
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: the Spider one of the Avengers.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: Spider Man.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: There's like, there's like a Spidery and his amazing friends,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: right too. Yeah, he's one of the one of the
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: other Spider Man from the or women from the multiverse. Yeah,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: so like, how about Spider Man and Miles Morales the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: other Spider Man.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Peter Parker, Miles Morales. I'll let them
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: decide who gets to be who. I'm not gonna touch
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: that one. Toby McGuire and Tom Holland. So this is
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: fascinating and in a way that, you know, in a
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: fascinating luxury for Utah to have with two quarterbacks. Good
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: for the Utes, good for Morgan Scalley, good for Kevin mcgiven,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: Good for all the teammates that help support this decision. Convince,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: these guys make it possible. If you're a Utah fan,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: twelve hours ago, you're dang near crying. I guess more
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: like eighteen hours ago, because you got the announcement that
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: Celesie Moa is in the transfer portal and he's he's
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: gonna go to Michigan. Guys, probably Tennessee's going to make
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: another run at him. A bunch of other schools who
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: thought they had this, who thought they had that they're
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: going to make a run at him, But Celesima was
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: gonna end up at Michigan right And there was a
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: vocal and angry group of fans in the Utah sphere
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: that had to let it be known that they can't
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: stand everything about this situation. This is one of those
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: salves that you put on the wound that makes you
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: feel a little bit better. I think that you have
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: a quarterback who was a great leader, a great member
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: of the community, and a great player, especially when healthy,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: coming off of by the way, his best performance in
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: a Utah uniform and now surgically repaired some of the
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: injuries that he dealt with this season. So Devin dan
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Pierre is back at the University of Utah for the
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty sixth season.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: Let's go. That's fun.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta think sorry, you gotta think that
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: it's a good This is a good sign too, knowing
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 4: that Bird just barely announced for a second time that
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: he's not going anywhere.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Man, I mean, this is that, this is it. I
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: feel like it's a good.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: Sign about Devin dam Pierre's competitiveness too, that he like
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: we heard we heard it so many times in the
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: old in the old.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: Era, the previous year of Utah football.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 4: From he who shall not be named, Iron sharpens Iron,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: right and Devin dan Pier and we I expect Morgan
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: scally to keep that mantra up. Maybe he maybe he
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: words it a little bit differently, but that the message
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: still is the same. We are going we are not
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: going to back down from from any challenge, and that
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: includes internal challenges from players behind us. We are going
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: to embrace that as an opportunity to get stronger and
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: get better as a team and get better individually. And
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: Devin dam Pier, we know, we know he and Bird
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: have a great relationship that helps too. But also there's
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: a level of this where it's like just for a
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: human level of this where it's like, I don't know
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 4: if I want the pressure a lot of people like
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I want the pressure of Hey,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: that guy is always right behind me, ready to take
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: my job. Devin dan Pierce says, no, Iron sharpens Iron.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: I want that challenge. I'm gonna do everything I can
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: to keep this job, even though I know that everyone
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: knows they got a guy behind me that's ready to
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 4: take it. I think that's a great sign. It's fantastic.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: Only good things come out of this announcement. And if
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: you're an offensive player on this team, if you're Kevin mcgiven,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: this is now an absolute luxury. This is incredible, This
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: is fun. This is how innovative are you as a
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: play caller. We saw both of those guys on the
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 4: field together several times, one being used as a decoy.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: Don't use them as a decoy this time. Get them
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: both involved in the play. Let's see what Utah's offense
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: can be with this very unique. It's not like singular,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: it's not like we've never seen it before, but it
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: is far from common in college football that you have
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: this luxury. Devin dan Pire announces he's running it back
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: with the Utes. I guess hopefully we'll have to try
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: and get him on for next year too.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Audition with Dev. You know what we need to do.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: We need to try and make it a weekly with
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: Dev and Bird at the same time. Audition Bird with Dev.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: I know that's not good. Well, we'll figure out what
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: they want to call it. No, but Dev, Devin and Bird.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: We have the quarter quarterbacks segment, especially if we get
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 4: indications that Kevin McGivern wants to try to use them
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: the way that Jason Beck used them where they're on
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: the field at the same time. Like you just mentioned, Yeah,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: let's let's do it.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: How you feeling now that Devin dan Pierre has announced
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: he's coming back. We'll take a quick one here and
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: we'll talk about the roller coaster of emotions because last
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: night was ugly for Utah fans with the Celestimo announcement.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: We have to get into that a little bit too,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: but we'll end at least on a positive note because
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: Dev is back. It's a Sean O'Connell show on ESPN
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: seven hundred ninety twoe FM.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: You were listening to a Sean O'Connell show from the
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: one af.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 10: AM, What would you commit to if you were an
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 10: elite college football player right now?
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: Eight seven seven three five three zero seven What would
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: be the thing that that had you committed, be honest with.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: Yourself, answer anonymously.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: Whatever eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: at REEOC Sports. What would you be committing to Because
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: we've asked Jeff Schwartz, who's going to join us in
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: about five minutes his answer to this question, and he
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: was like, no, I'm mostly committed to the program at Oregon.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Kind of the whole thing.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: Great facilities, great coaches, cool uniforms, good teammates, et cetera,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: et cetera.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: What do you what would you commit to?
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: Devin dam Pierre just announced he's coming back to the
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: University of Utah. Devin Dampier is committed to the program
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: How do I know that?
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: Well, because Devin Dampier could have gone somewhere else. He's
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: committed to the program now. He's probably committed to the
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: program and to be honest and to be fair, and
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with this because it's
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: the world we live in. He's committed to the paycheck
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: that this program is going to prove him. He's committed
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: to the teammates that he has developed great chemistry with,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: including Bird Ficklin, who is his number one competition, which
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: is crazy if he was only committed to his position coach,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: which a lot of guys go to a school to
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: play for a coach, right, If he was only there
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: to play for a certain coach, he might have gone
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: to Michigan. He might have gone back somewhere that had
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: a closer tie to somebody.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Who you know he knew from New Mexico or whatever.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: To my knowledge, I don't think Devin knows much about
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: Kevin McGivern.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong. We'll talk to dev as soon
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: as we can. I don't know.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 4: Is there a chance because that Utah State coaching staff
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: that McGivern was just on was a similar staff to
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: what he played for in New Mexico, that he knows
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: that he knows something about him. I think there could
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 4: be a chance, ants, but well, he better know something
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: about him. If if or no Kevin mcgiven on Utah
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: staff didn't make it make it known, or didn't make
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: it clear to Devin what he could expect in this offense,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: then they would that would have been a failure on
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: their part.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: I I he definitely knows something.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: But mcgiven was at San Jose State when dead was
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: at New Mexico, Right, So I mean indirect relationship at best.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Right? So? Yeah, So, like there are some guys who.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: Are committed to play for coaches and do commit to
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: go play for coaches. And I think this is a
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: problem that people have with the announcement that Celessima made
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: that he was head jumping into the transfer portal, and
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: people got mad at me because I was bothered by
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: how some people reacting. Let me clarify because I have
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: a radio show, and I'm allowed to do that on
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: my own radio show. If you were cursing at a
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: young guy, a kid, an eighteen year old, directly because
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: he decided to go to Michigan, there's something.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Wrong with you. I'm sorry.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: Like, if you're a part of that fringe, lunatic fan
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: base that can't accept the process that these guys go through,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: can't accept the fact that you might make the same
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: decision if you were offered more money, or if remember
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: when we had that heartwarming story about why he flipped
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: to Utah in the first place. Yeah, when Lewis Powell
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: called the house on commitment day and said, let me
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: talk to my nephew, and we were like, isn't that
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: so great that he decided to go with like the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: family tie and the guy that he's known since he
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: was literally a baby isn't that so cool? But then
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: when that guy is no longer at the University of Utah,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: we demand that the loyalty to that person is gone.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: Not we some people, And to be clear, I think
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: it is a loud but small minority of Utah fans.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: I was addressing you when I said get a grip
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: on Twitter. I wasn't addressing the fan base that's bothered
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: by how the former head coach has gone about things.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: I was not addressing those of you who are just
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: bummed about it or a little disappointed. I'm addressing the
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: psychos that attack the Moa family directly because you don't
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: like the decisions that they are making. Say they they
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: are people of no integrity or low integrity, Like, loyalty
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: comes in a lot of different forms. If you're Ben
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: Moa Celesimoa and you have an option to flip your
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: commitment again, which, by the way, why do you think
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: that a kid who already flipped to you is not
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: going to have risks flipping somewhere else. John Henry Daily
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: was a product of the transfer portal for you, and
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: now the transfer portal took you, took him away from
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: you again, Like that's just how this is going to work.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: These cycles are going to work, like Celestie was committed
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: to in some ways Lewis Powell almost directly, even though
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: it's not going to be his position coach, even if
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: he goes on defense, lou is not going to be
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: his position coach, right, but.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: He was committed to to that on some level.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: And yes, we talked to his dad and his dad said, yeah,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: he you know, I always wanted one of my kids
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: to be a legacy kid. And he he decided that
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: that's what he wanted to do. And then the circumstance
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 4: changed drastically, which, by the way, is something that was
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 4: fully beyond Celestie Moo's control. And Ben doesn't need me
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: to defend his family, and Celestie doesn't need me to
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: defend him. But I think that we are getting to
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: a city situation now where people are, well, these kids
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: make money, so I can treat him like adults. Okay,
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: on some level, sure, this kid one guy, he makes
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: ten times my salary.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: I can curse at him if I want to. Well, no,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: it still makes you a turd if you're cursing at
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: an eighteen year old, like, think of that in any
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: other context of your life, Like you pull up to
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: a stop sign and the eighteen year old is playing
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: his music too loud, and you roll down your window
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: and you decide to be the crazy forty something year
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: old guy who's screaming your head off at a high
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: school kid, like you're still a little bit weird for that,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: and just because he's driving a nice car doesn't really
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  Speaker 3: change that.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: Will Celestimo regret his decision to go to Michigan? Honestly?
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: Probably not. Maybe maybe he will.
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  Speaker 4: And guess what, it's gonna be real hard if you
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: want Celestimo back, It's gonna be real hard to scrub
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: the internet of the tiny Utah fan base reaction that
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: was telling him and his family to bleep off. That's
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: crazy behavior because the guy wants to pursue his dream
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: wearing a different shirt than the one you like.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: That's wild man, And what if it was your kid?
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm fine if you have a problem with the
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: former coach taking a bunch of the staff. I don't
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: think you're being realistic, but I'm fine if that's where
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: your gripe is. I'm not going to try to convince
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: you to feel a different sort of way.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: Even though you would do the exact same.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: Thing if you were in his shoes, by the way,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: but like, let's say your kid is this kid, and right,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: Utah's like, hey, we'll give you a million bucks. We
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: really want you, second best recruit in the history of
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: our program, your legacy.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: We love you. I played with your dad. I want
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: you to play for me.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: What all the messaging that Celessimo was getting from Utah
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: And then the guy you call uncle who's now wearing
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: a different shirt, Hey, I know you wanted to follow
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: your dad and do the same logo, the legacy thing.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: We're gonna give you one point five million dollars, so
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: we're gonna give you two million dollars. Now, Celestie Moa
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: probably believes he's gonna be the next Pukaakua in the NFL.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: He probably believes that when he's eighteen years old, because
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: that's how your brain works when you're eighteen. But also,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: Celestiemoa has two older brothers who were highly recruited players,
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: not quite as highly recruited as him. But he has
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: two older brothers who are currently in college football right now,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: and it's not working out as smoothly as anyone in
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: the moa family would have hoped. So you think that
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: Celestie might see there's a cautionary tale in front of him.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 4: Take what you can get while you can get it.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: You never know what the future holds. My brothers, who
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: I looked up to as heroes are not having the
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: experience that they thought that they would have. I mean,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: there's a lot to this, and our job as fans
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 4: is to support Morgan Scalley and support what he wants
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 4: to do. It is not to say bleep you to
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: everything else, especially when we're talking about a kid.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: Who should still be in high school.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: If you're going to go to your local high school
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: and roll down the window and start yelling bleep use
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: to any kid or their family for anything, you are
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: the problem.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's a you thing.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: For any weird decision that that kid makes, aside from
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 4: driving drunk, doesn't deserve that kind of a reaction from
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: a fan base. So if you felt I was attacking
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: you when I said, hey, get a grip, it's because
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: you are unhinged. If you read my tweet and you
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: understood like, oh, he's talking about the crazy people that
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: are yelling at kids that are going on Twitter taking
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: the time writing out the tweet, hitting send to like
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: you have no integrity, you're pathetic, you're a loser, FU whatever, Like.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking to you.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: That's weird behavior and we're all guilty of weird behavior online.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: So you can go ahead and you can leave it up,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: you can delete the tweet whatever. But I'm gonna tell
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: you it doesn't help Utah. It doesn't help the players
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: on your roster. It doesn't help attracting future talents like Celessie.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: When that's your reaction anytime something doesn't go your way,
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: you become petulant and you start kicking your feet and screaming.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: That's not the way to react to these things. Can
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: you be disappointed?
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Of course? Can you hate the system and the fact
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: that now.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: You can commit to somewhere and you can sign somewhere
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: and then you can be in the transfer portal a
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: week later?
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Can you hate that there's pretty.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: Obvious tampering going on on every level of college football? Yes,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: you can. Where I need to draw the line where
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: we all should draw the line. And I'm not gonna
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: back off on this just because it makes you feel sad.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 6: Is like.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: Attacking kids and families because you don't like their decisions,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 4: even if you feel like it's disloyal, even if you
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: feel like it's dishonest, even if you feel like it's.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: A well, I wouldn't do that, Are you sure? Are
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: you sure if you work at.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: Like a mom and pop delivery shop and the big
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: boys came and offered you double the salary, that you
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: wouldn't take it?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Are you sure?
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: If your boss that you love working for got a
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: job at a new place and said, hey, I'd like
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 4: to hire you from me, you'd be like, nope, uh huh,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: I'm staying here. Why because I'm loyal to this shirt?
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: You know, you actually haven't worn the shirt in any
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: meaningful competition yet, You actually haven't put that You actually
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: haven't caught a pass or made a tackle for this
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: university yet. The expectation that a young kid, even one
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: who's paid, should be loyal to something just because you
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: are is not a realistic expectation. And you can hate
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: the system as much as you want, but hating a
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: young man for making a decision you don't like is
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: more of a you problem than it is a Hymn problem.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: I'm off my soapbox now, wait, let me jump back
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: on for a second. I wish Celessimo was coming to
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: the University of Utah and staying at the University of Utah.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: In a perfect world, that's where I would want to
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: see him be. I'd love to see his dad at
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: all the games. I'd love to see him become Utah's
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: first thousand yard receiver in many years. Guess what that
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 3: might still happen, because he's gonna go play for Jason
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: Beck and for Kyle Whittingham, and he's gonna be like
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: these guys haven't ever had a thousand yard receiver.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: That's what I want to be. And he might bounce back.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 4: He might say, let me go, let me go back
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: to Utah. I miss I'm the baby of the family.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: I miss my mom. Let me go back to Utah.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's as strong a possibility as anything else.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: He might be four years at Michigan.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: You know, it's way more likely then he's at two
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: other schools before his career is over.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: That's the world we live in now. And you don't
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: have to like that.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: In fact, you can hate it, but you can't hate him,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: and you can't hate his dad, and you can't hate
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: his mom.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: It's just this is the world you live in. Relax,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: it's the game.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: Don't attack people online, and then when I criticize and
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: you feel targeted by it, don't tweet f you at
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: me because I promise you wouldn't say that to me
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: in real life.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: Let's just be civil. I'm done off the soapbox. Jeff Schwartz.
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  Speaker 3: Next on The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred ninety
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  Speaker 1: Ff, it's not Sean O'Connell show. You were home of
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  Speaker 1: the best inside of your hutes. Let's get back to
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  Speaker 1: OC from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: and ninety two to one A f.
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  Speaker 3: Am, Welcome back to the Shan O'Connell Show.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Welcome in Jeff Schwartz.
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  Speaker 4: Are football experts at every level, lots to talk about,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of news in the college and pro football worlds,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: and Jeff Schwartz is a former Oregon Duck, so I
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: will not tread lightly because he can deal with things
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: the way the rest of us do.
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  Speaker 2: Jeff Schwartz, how.
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  Speaker 5: Are you You said no one tells you you your face.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 5: I feel like I would do that to you.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: Afterwards, I did say, no one does.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: There's plenty of people, one inarticularly who likes to do
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: it all the time. But you know there's I feel
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: like most of the people on Twitter that are mad,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: big mad about you know, a recruiting decision. It just
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: you know, it said that lack of restraint because there's
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: no consequence to being a lunatic online.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm guilty of it too.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: So it is I'll tell you what this week. We'll
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: get to organ in a second, I sor I'll answer
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: the I answer the noise here. But Oregon has potentially
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: had their entire backup defense going the portal the last
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: like well, a couple of guys went before the Indiana game,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: and then like literally the back the two backup defensive
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: tackles are our third defensive end, like everyone left, okay,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: And it's one of those things where, like I, I
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: personally don't believe that it transfer solves all your problems,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: basically your problem being that you get to not starting
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 5: an organ right And I get it, you're in year three,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: you want to start somewhere else. I get it, Shohn,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: I totally do, but like there's no point even sharing
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 5: that take on the internet. So I'm just gonna get
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 5: crapped on for it, you know, sure, Like it's just
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 5: like no, it's frustrating even for me the last couple
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: of days as a college football fan, as a fan
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: of the Oregan and also look an advocate for the players.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: I think the players should be allowed to transfer one time.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's crazy when you see guy going to third, fourth, fifteen,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: but uh, that is it is what the what the
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: what the sport is now? And like not want it
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: isn't about it because you know, I wish these guys
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 5: luck when they leave. But also I'm like, dude, you're
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: you're the third d tackle on a team that is
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 5: probably organ's likely to be the favorite when the championship
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 5: more comes back, Like you're you're gonna leave to go
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: be the starting de tackle at cal Okay. I mean,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: I I don't know if I would do that, right,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: But if you say those things of the internet, man,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: who gets so angry.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: With you, right, and there's no nuance to the tone
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: and the whatever the details behind tweets because you have
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 3: limited characters and whatnot. But it is a complicated way
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: to get your point across. But at the end of
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: the day, I just don't think even though this Celesimoa
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: is a great talent, we don't know if he's going
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: to be a great college football player. Yet he's a
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: great talent, and he's a big loss because his dad's
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: a legacy His dad's a legend in the program, so
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: he's a legacy kid and all that stuff.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: But it's it's just it's not a shocking move here.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that maybe some people, some people
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: take the commitments too seriously when they know that there's
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: still some days left in the transfer portal.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: It's just so interesting to me. So you know, Colorado
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 5: had their left tackle seat and go into the portal, right,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: and the same fan base that like makes their whole identity.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: We we get transfer portal players, right, that's our identity.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: We we're the you know, the the Lousviton Luggas, right, like,
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: bring your bags and they're agatting so hurt over this.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: I'm like, you guys, cheer every time you take a
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: defensive mind from Florida, right Like, but now you get
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: gotten and all of a sudden, it's the worst thing
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 5: in the world that the portal look exists. You can't
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: have it both ways, right, You can't cheer when when when,
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: at least in my opinion, you can't cheer when you
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 5: get someone and then curse at the guy who's leaving.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 5: I mean right, Like, if you want to be upset,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 5: be upset, it's fine, Like I get it. You can
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: be upset he's leaving. But you can't have it both ways.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: You can't cheer the additions and then also bemoan when
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: you lose someone. And I think that fans that get
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: way too caught up in that too. And so it's
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 5: funny seeing the reaction from fans. Look again, I wish
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 5: everyone luck when they leave. I might disagree with with
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 5: why they're leaving, but I mean that's that's not my
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: choice to make.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's get to I think much more interesting
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: things like this might be painful for you.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: Just bear with me.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 4: How and why did it happen that way for Oregon
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: in a semi final game?
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: Y it was it's been so Indiana, so unprecedented, Sean
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: that there's like these these cheating rumors that I think
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: are just just ridiculous to talk about, but like they're
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: they're so good and thoroughly beating Alabama, Oregon, they beat
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: Ohio State that people are like maybe they're hacking everyone's
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: cloud system, like like like that's how like that's how
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: that's how how much they're winning by. And look, I
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 5: think that the best way to approach a lot of
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 5: this is you know, you're never as good or on
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 5: your best day and as bad as your worst day, right,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 5: And that just was a bad organ organ was just
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: wasn't good, right. I mean, you know, you start the
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: game with a pick six and what was a bummer
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 5: on that play was if Dantae Moore just looks the
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: other side the field, we had a touchdown. They didn't
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 5: didn't they didn't cover or wide receiver running a corner route,
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 5: just no one covered them, churns the wrong side in reception,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: and then and then we called back seven seven. I
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 5: was like sweet, Like that's a great response, right, it
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 5: might have been one of our best drivers of the year.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: And then we fumble the ball because Dante Moore hits
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 5: the running back and not dot Daimore's fault. The back
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: doesn't clear out. Now it's twenty one to seven, and
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: it was just no come back. You know, the thing
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: Indiana does so well is They're a bowl constrictor. Dude.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: The second you start to squirm and feel the heats
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: are breathing heavy, they just they just take the life
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: out of you. And they're so good at that. They're
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: so well coached, they're physical, they they don't make mistakes ever,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 5: they don't turn the ball over, they don't have a
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 5: ton of bad penalties, they don't have special teams issues,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 5: and they're gonna champions They're gonna beat Miami, and they're
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 5: gonna be the greatest story in the history of college football.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 5: There's nothing like this story in the sport and any
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 5: sport of college sports before. I mean, the closest would
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 5: be I would say, maybe you know Butler, But they
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 5: lost a duke in the championship game, right, so that's
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 5: that's all for Not they didn't win the game. This
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 5: is going to be the greatest story and most improbable
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: story in victual history.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: I agree with you when you talk about them not
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: making mistakes. It was I think it was already a
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 4: three score game at this point, but there was a
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: a Fernando Mendoza scramble where the ball was popped out
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: by Yeah, and they're Indiana's best offensive Lineman that Cougan
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: Kid went and he was he was immediately there, like
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 4: even when it was like, oh there's.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: A mistake that this could be a big moment.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: Nope, never mind, because he's hustling after the play and
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 3: he's running to pick his quarterback up when he gets tackled,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: and oh, there's a football for me, and it's just like, dang.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: They really just don't hurt themselves.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, and Mendoza got stripsacks and the ball didn't
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 5: you know, organ fumbled what we fumbled twice and both
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 5: times they were covered the ball. And then they fumbled
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 5: twice and both times they were covered the ball. And
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 5: I thought that game like does does the sort of
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 5: what feels like a little bit of luck. I mean,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: I think that's part of football. You just you kind
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 5: of make your own luck. But they definitely felt like
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 5: there was a little bit of luck involved with what
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 5: Indiana was doing, with the amount of turnovers that they
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 5: haven't you know, they haven't really had, and some of
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: the plays they made, and and no, I mean, they
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 5: just they're just good, Sean. I mean, they're just good,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 5: good programming. They're gonna win it, and they're gonna be untraditional,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 5: and I do think the one takeaway is that twenty
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 5: twenty three Michigan was super old, twenty twenty four Ohio
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 5: State was super old, and twenty twenty Indiana is super old, right.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, they can't can't a touchdown pass against us
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 5: who caught touchdown pass from Trevor Lawrence in twenty twenty,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: So it clems it by the way for those who Yeah,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 5: and you know, Oregon is trying that made next year.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 5: They got almost everyone to return, I think, and they're
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 5: trying to run it back for championship next season. I mean,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 5: I hope we get it, but it was just a juggernaut. Man.
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 5: Look we oh, look when we win a playoff game,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 5: we win it, and when we lose, we get our
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 5: butts kicked.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 5: That seems to be like the sort of the where
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: we're at right now with the program. And look, it's unfortunate.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 5: It stinks that it ended that way. But I think
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 5: when you think we had something like seventeen new stars
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 5: this year across offensive, and I think you would take
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 5: a semi final berth with all those new pieces around you.
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 3: Well, that was one of the th was gonna be
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: my next question because you know, there's teams that it
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: ends like that and they're like, well, geez, this sucks
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 3: because all these guys are graduating and this was our chance.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: But you've been talking about it since like week four
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 3: that this isn't really the year for Oregon.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 5: No, it's next year. I mean, and it's it's so
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 5: so far. We are returning on the defensive line four
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 5: guys that are probably top fifty picks into twenty twenty seven.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 5: I think maybe you know, two the Od's not going
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 5: to be that highly draft pick. But I mean, you
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 5: were turning three guys through top four to four top
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: one hundred guys at the minimum. You like, that's pretty good, right.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 5: You're returning a center who's going to a draftable center,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 5: your quarterback. I don't know more or not. Kind of
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 5: curious where that sits right now, but we'll find. I mean,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 5: it's it's just a very talented team still. So the
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 5: question is the depth you just you lost, like your
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 5: entire you retire backup to the portal.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 5: It's kind of kind of crazy how that works now.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: Jeff Schwartz is our guests here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: talking all things football. Look, I could spend more time
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: on the college football world, but the NFL is a
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: little bit more interesting right now.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: Great, great weekend of playoff games.
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 3: The forty nine ers somehow win another one, I know,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: even with George Kittle drinking tequila in the locker room
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: because of an achilles tear. And now they've got a
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: tough one against Seattle on Saturday.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: This.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've been asking you for like five straight weeks.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: Can the Niners get it done?
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I hate to count them
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 5: out the way they've they've been playing. How much do
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 5: do you do you buy this electromagnetic thing with a
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 5: Niners practice facility wholeheartedly?
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: All in?
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 5: I knew you were all in on that. I knew
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 5: on my on my podcast yesterday, my co host is
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 5: like you. He believes every conspiracy and he he was like,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 5: all in the story, and I'm like, Gabe, I don't
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 5: have it. I don't have anything to tell you. I
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 5: don't know what to tell you. Man, I'm not a doctor.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 5: I don't know what to tell you.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: Like I'm being somewhat facetious, I don't I really don't know.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 4: I'm not an expert. I'm not a doctor on like
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: electromagnetic radiation. A practice field though, But here's the things story.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: Like let's say you're a skeptic, all right, because you
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: are right, but you own this fan you own this team,
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 3: or you're in a position of significant influence, wouldn't you
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: just be like, man, some of my players are starting
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: to believe this. There's a certain segment of the fan
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: base that's starting to believe this.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: I got to move this practice field, like you just
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: kind of have to do it.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 5: But they've had that, it's been there for thirty five years. Like,
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 5: it's not like I think that, like they didn't build
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 5: a practice field. When when the stadium showed up, the
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 5: stadium showed up around the practice field. So like, this
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 5: is not new. They've had this that they've been next
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 5: to that facility for thirty years. Now. That's one thing
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 5: people don't realize. It's not a new thing. It's not
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 5: like they built the stadium and practically has always been there.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 5: I was there for a free agent visit way back
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 5: in the day when they were building Levi Stadium. It's
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 5: always been there. That's not so that's not new. Maybe
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 5: the electricity output is new. I don't know, but it's
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 5: it's not but it's not new. So okay, now back
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 5: to the question hand. I mean, look, geez, I hate
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 5: to count the Niners, but I uh, at some point,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 5: the defensive issues of God are gonna matter, right And
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: and you know that you say I'll take care of that.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't know, And then you know you
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 5: you kittle and you know you you you still don't
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 5: have parasol. I think right tery Williams did play, which
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 5: was good. I mean when you check as your third
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 5: leading receiver in a game, probably not great, you know,
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 5: like I love his story, right, Like, when he's your
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: third leading receiver. He's a fullback, mind you, No, he's
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 5: probably more running back eskan and old school fullback would be,
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 5: but he's still a full back and he's your third
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 5: leading receiver in a playoff game. Probably not where you
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 5: want to be. But you know, I don't, I don't
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 5: know if I trust Sam Darnold. Still still a problem
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 5: of mind there with a little trust factor.
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: So I think you have a chance.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 5: I'd be I wouln't cant of kash Anahan team man,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 5: Saul's doing a great job, you know, I mean, they're
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 5: doing they're doing his best. I can again that like,
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 5: it's been very impressive to see this group play as
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 5: hard as they're playing. Actually the level they have with
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 5: we've got practice squad linebackers, dude, it's crazy.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: Did any result from this weekend surprise you?
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 5: I mean I was wrong on every result. I don't
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 5: think that surprised me. And I thought I thought the
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 5: Charger would be more competitive. That's probably the one that
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 5: surprised me the most. I thought it just be other
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 5: than be more competitive, I just thought that that they
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 5: were ready to be more competitive in that moment, even
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 5: with their offensive line, they just they just weren't. You know.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 5: I feel like a dummy for betting, you know, on
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 5: the Chargers and the Jaguars in a playoff game. But
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 5: I thought those two sides were the better of the sides.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 5: But that, you know, the Eagles. The Eagles had not
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 5: been good offense for weeks. I don't know why I
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 5: would start this weekend, and so nothing really surprised me.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 5: I think the Chargers just sort of lack of you know,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 5: that was that was a blowout, but it was a
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 5: one score game for most. I saw tweet last night
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 5: too that said like that. I hate to tell this
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 5: to you, but you know, the Steelers are game blown
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 5: out down seven to six.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: That game was was far.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 5: Worse than the final I guess the final scoring had
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 5: being a pretty big margin there, but that game wasn't
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 5: closed for most of the game.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 4: Now that that job is open, does it change the
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 4: hierarchy of what top candidates are thinking about? Like, I
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: don't know who if John Harbaugh we go with him
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: as like the number one guy in this in this
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: coaching market is now the Pittsburgh Steelers job more appealing
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: than everyone else Giants and Falcons and whoever else is well.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 5: I mean I think from a job security, yeah, I
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 5: mean you feel they've only had three coaches in seventy years.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 5: So from that perspective, absolutely, my concern would be you
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 5: don't have a quarterback of the future and even older,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 5: aging defense, and so those are issues that that are
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 5: gonna make it tough to win immediately there. I mean,
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 5: I don't think Rogers, you're rolling back with Rogers, right,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: So who's your quarterback in the future, No, no one's
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 5: No one's available right now right that you think you're
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 5: getna able to draft, it's not a great draft here
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 5: for that, and then you have older defensive players, so
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 5: there's there's some work to be done on the roster.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 5: I think so. I think it's attractive job, but because
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 5: you know, the Steelers are organization that takes care of
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 5: their of their of their own and you don't feel
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 5: like you're gonna be fired for a bad season or two.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't think it's a great job because
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 5: you don't have a quarterback.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: Is Aaron Rodgers gonna try to run it back?
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 5: He might, I don't know why. I mean, I I
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 5: could tried. I would like to have a different job,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: and I mean, anyone wants to hire me, you know,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: you have to. You have to. Someone's gotta want to
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 5: hire you. I don't think Rogers is very hiable right now,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 5: so I would say probably know, and maybe he waits
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 5: for a situation where someone gets hurt in camp, or
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 5: maybe you know, I know he wanted to go to Vikings.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, maybe they're so Adam McCarthy that he gets
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 5: a chance to do a one year deal there. But
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 5: I can't imagine that that he has opportunity to do that.
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 5: H you know what if I you know, I said
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 5: this tweet earlier too, about Aaron Rodgers. So he's married.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 5: We don't even No one knows whose wife is. I've
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 5: never seen a picture of her.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: Like, wait, he's not married to that actress. Weren't they engaged?
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah? No, no, someone else. I thought you'd be all over this. No,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 5: it's someone else, someone completely different. No one's seen a
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 5: picture of her, like like, no one as I knew
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 5: who she is. It's one of my favorite, like low
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 5: key rogers, like I see people have to Prescott's like
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 5: still wearing his wedding where you never seen his wife?
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 6: Not?
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 5: What does not a picture of her? Like nothing, no idea.
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: He's not beating the allegations. Holy cow, right, that's crazy.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like how do you keep there's no there's I'm
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 5: looking it up right now, there's no there's not one
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 5: picture of her.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: So this is funny because there's like obviously I'm deep
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 3: in the combat sports world and there's one of the
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: most famous fighters, Habib Normaga made I've even you've heard
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 3: of Kabib is Like, no.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: One's ever seen his wife.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: But she lives in the mountains in Dagistan, in uh
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: in a culture where you're not.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 4: Supposed to take photos of women. So it makes sense
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 4: that no one's ever seen her.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 5: But like he's ever taken she never going to a fight.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: No, no, they don't.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: The Kagistani guys, they don't take their women anywhere.
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I need to be Augistani said that.
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 2: Please, Well, she's a big listener to the show, so
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: I'm sure she'll.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 5: Just show so so so beat me up? Not good?
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 5: Uh so? Yeah, So there's no looking up, not one
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 5: picture of her.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking up right now. This is a this
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 4: is a complete mystery.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 3: And uh yeah, that's that's very very convenient and so
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 3: difficult to pull off in twenty twenty six.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very crazy, all right?
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: Uh so have been based on the results from what
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 3: we saw this past weekend in the NFL playoffs. Have
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 3: your expectations for Super Bowl matchups, AFC NFC matchups?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: Have they changed it all?
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah? You know, I I liked the Rams for the
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 5: longest time, and I I don't want to be a
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 5: flip flopper by I think it's gonna be Seattle. The
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 5: Rams just they just think they they just do so
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 5: many things that lose them games. Right, And this game
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 5: this weekend'st the Bears is really interesting because it'd be
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 5: like zero degrees. It's gonna be one of the colder
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 5: games of the weekend. And you know, the Rams are
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 5: dome team going outside. I'm actually not that concerned about it.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 5: They played they played in the snow last year in Philly.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 5: I'm not worried about it that much. But you know,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 5: this game features a team like the Rams who starts
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 5: fast until the Bears will start slow and the Rams
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 5: blow a ton of late leads and the Bears come
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 5: back and score a lot of points late. I'm very
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 5: curious to see if any of those trends break in
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 5: this game where the Rams, you know, start fast or
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 5: or or it's going to start slow, the Bears start
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 5: fast and the rolls flip. Because this this feels like a
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 5: game again where you take the Bears live, you know,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 5: plus seventeen and a half and they come all the
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 5: way back and quai back into a tie game situation.
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 3: All right, Let's pretend you actually have a favorite NFL team,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: all right, and let's pretend that that team is in
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 3: the market for a new head coach. Are you hoping
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: they hire one of the recently fired head coaches that
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 3: are now available, do you want a coordinator who's on
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: the rise. Do you want them to go get like
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 3: a kurtz Signetti type or any other college coach like
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: Marcus Freeman, whatever, or I don't know, like Gruden.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: Come off the couch. I put a pole out.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So's here's my take on this. I I don't
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 5: think you should automatically eliminate defensive coaches. But the problem
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 5: with the defensive coach with a with a young quarterback, right,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 5: if you have a young if you in all these
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 5: jobs have young quarterbacks, would need young quarterbacks, is that
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 5: that coach, the defensive coach right, hires an offensive coach. Okay,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: the offense coach does well, they get a job. Within
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 5: two years, you have to find the need to find
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 5: a new offensive coach, new oc right, and the cycle
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 5: goes on for years and years and years. And the
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 5: only time it really worked in this manner was the
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 5: Patriots right with Belichick, because McDaniel's either was there forever
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 5: right or Charlie Wis is there forever And when McDaniels left,
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 5: he came back immediately, so he was never gone for
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: that long. And so you know, if you if you
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 5: hire a defensive coach, let's say for the Giants, okay,
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 5: and Jackson Dart plays out of this out of his
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 5: world in year one, that coach is that head coach
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 5: is getting a job. Next year, the OC, I should
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 5: say's getting an you have to hire another offense coordinator
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 5: another like it just it's very hard with defensive coach
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 5: to ensure you have the coaches staying with you, where
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 5: it's not as hard offensively because you know, the offensive
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 5: play caller is to be the head coach, right Sean,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 5: So like that, I think is what you have to consider,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 5: is that, like, if we get a defensive coach to
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 5: understand that every couple of years we might need a
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 5: new offense coordinator and that's really tough to you know,
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 5: to basically pull off, you know, every two or three years.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense to me. All Right, I'm over time.
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 3: I gotta let you go, Bud. Thanks for your time.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 5: As always, your long rant on people being nice on
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 5: social media killed my segments.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry when we gave you twenty three minutes today.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I appreciate it. If by the way, if
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 5: you have you said how you joined gross for me?
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 5: He won't. He has not answered me yet. I'm not
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 5: bothering him yet.
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 3: I tried to, but he was on the other side
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 3: of glass and I was like pantomiming at him and
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: he wouldn't come in and be and jump on the show.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: So not yet, I'll tell him all right.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: That's Jeff Schwartz, longtime NFL veteran, former Oregon Duck heartbreaker
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: for his Ducks in the college football Playoffs semi final,
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 3: A guy who follows a team that a lot of
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 3: people are really high on.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: JB Long is going to join us next. Can the
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 4: Rams beat the Bears?
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: And who will they play in the NFC Championship if
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 3: they can advance past this weekend. We'll get to all
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: of that on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred
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• 2:14:51
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• 2:14:56
  Speaker 4: Gonna join us for a few minutes here to talk
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 4: about how the ram got here for their matchup with
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  Speaker 4: the Bears, playing for a shot at an NFC championship
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  Speaker 4: Berth JB.
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  Speaker 2: Long, Welcome to the show. How are you sean? Good
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  Speaker 2: it connect with you.
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  Speaker 11: I'm doing great hook grabbing, A good day and.
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  Speaker 2: A good show.
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  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, so far. We're getting close to the end here.
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  Speaker 3: Wanted to catch up with you. This Rams team had
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 3: a tough test against Carolina and you you've been tweeting
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 3: about this and it's actually right at the top of
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 3: your feed for people who don't follow JB.
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  Speaker 2: Long, it's JB Underscore Long.
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  Speaker 3: You know, CAROLINEA is one of those teams that surprised
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  Speaker 3: a lot of people this year. But I don't feel
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  Speaker 3: like the Rams were going to be surprised because of
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 3: the regular season matchup in because of how McVeigh and
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: his team prepare as coaches. Did anything surprise you how
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 3: difficult this game was in the playoffs for the Rams.
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  Speaker 11: A little bit, only because I think the Rams were
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 11: healthy at the right spots to go out and do
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  Speaker 11: some damage and because they set the tone so early
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  Speaker 11: with that two touchdown lead thanks to Pookinakua and Matthew Stafford.
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  Speaker 11: But you know, you know, styles make fights, and I
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  Speaker 11: think the style of Carolina is such that they're able
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  Speaker 11: to drag Los Angeles into the mud a little bit,
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  Speaker 11: beat them Thanksgiving weekend, and nearly got them again in
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  Speaker 11: the wildcard round. So I think LA is glad to
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  Speaker 11: be through that hurdle. I understand they were the biggest
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 11: road favorite of the Wildcard weekend and that the expectations
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 11: are that they would have one by two scores, and
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 11: I think their body of work justified that. But Bryce
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  Speaker 11: Young played arguably the two best games of his career
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  Speaker 11: against this Los Angeles defense. And when he does that,
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 11: when he goes punch for punch with someone like Matthew Stafford,
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  Speaker 11: I think you tip your cap, you celebrate the right
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  Speaker 11: to survive in advance, and you get on to the
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  Speaker 11: next style in the next fight, which is the Chicago Bears.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone here loves Pooka. Pooka had another huge day ten catches,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 3: one hundred and eleven yards and a touchdown. It feels
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 3: like you can't help but make him a big part
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  Speaker 3: of your offensive game.
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  Speaker 2: Plan.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it look any different against the Bears than what
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  Speaker 4: we've seen most of the year and last week against Carolina.
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  Speaker 11: Well, since I'm largely preaching to the choir, I'll just
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 11: go ahead and say he should be the NFL's Offensive
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  Speaker 11: Player of the Year. He probably won't be guessing JSM
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  Speaker 11: will win that award, but three sensational seasons for poogin
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  Speaker 11: Akua deserving First Team All Pro.
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  Speaker 2: I know a wide.
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  Speaker 11: Receiver will never win the MVP Award anymore, that's a
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  Speaker 11: quarterback award, but I think he is equally deserving as
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 11: Matthew Stafford. His impact has been outsized. As for what
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 11: he's going to be able to do this weekend at
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  Speaker 11: Soldier Field, we'll see, you know, I think the conditions
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 11: and the elements are going to play a big factor
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  Speaker 11: in that. If it's subfreezing with the wind chill and
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 11: if winds are gusting, it could be a difficult night
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  Speaker 11: throwing the football.
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  Speaker 7: But that's for having.
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  Speaker 11: You know, a Clydesdale like Pokinakua helps because unlike a
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  Speaker 11: lot of true number one receivers, he can do it all.
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  Speaker 2: If he has to fit up in your running game.
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  Speaker 11: And play as a fullback, or a tight end on
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  Speaker 11: Sunday night, then that's what he'll do and he'll impact
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 11: winning that way. If he takes a jet sweet hand
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 11: off and gets a corner for a first down in
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 11: crunch time.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen him do that as well.
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  Speaker 11: And if you have to go to him in a
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 11: third or fourth down situation or in the red zone,
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 11: no matter how cold, his hands have been as trusty
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 11: as any in the National Football League. I know he
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 11: dropped one going into halftime that should have been a touchdown,
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 11: but believe me when I say that is the exception
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 11: that proves the rule for pucas third season.
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  Speaker 3: We started the show today talking about how good is
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 3: sometimes the enemy of great because of what's going on
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: with the Steelers and obviously Mike Tomlin. During our show,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 3: the news break that Mike Tomlin is stepping down, so
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 3: there will be a head coaching change with Pittsburgh. But
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 3: I thought that was a good example of like, no
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: one will debate whether or not he's a good coach
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 3: or even a very very good coach, but the debate
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: was being had, especially in Pittsburgh, about whether or not
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 3: he was still a great coach who could help your
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: team achieve great things. And you've been around the Rams
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: when they've been good, when they've been not so good,
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 3: and when they've been great, when they won a Super Bowl.
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 3: Is there any decision made along the way that you
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 3: could point to that separated good from being great that
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 3: they were like, you know what, we'll have to We'll
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 3: make this hard decision and maybe take a risk that
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: we're getting rid of something good in order for us
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 3: to have the chance of being great.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything in your tenure that you can point to.
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  Speaker 11: Well, how about it something as recent as moving on
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  Speaker 11: from one of the greatest receivers in franchise history, Cooper Cup,
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 11: in favor of, as it would turn out, Devonte Adams.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 11: Does that qualify for the conversation you're having, because you know, DeVante,
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 11: despite missing the last three games the regular season, has
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 11: more receiving touchdowns than anyone in the league this year.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 11: It wasn't particularly close. And as much as the Rams
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 11: felt his impact on third down and in the red zone,
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 11: you know, I think he freed Pooka up to do
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 11: what he does best within this system, to play in
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 11: the slot, to be in motion, to be the queen
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 11: chess piece on the board that Sean McVay can deploy
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 11: situationally and on a game by game basis. So yeah,
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 11: you know, Tomlin and McVeigh are now on the short list.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 11: Andy Reids there too. Harbaugh's part of the conversation. Guys
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 11: who have earned the right to iterate, to evolve as
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 11: coaches and as leaders for multiple years and multiple cycles.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 11: In the NFL, Normally, the league does not allow for that.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 11: Normally you have to do something special to make it
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 11: past year two. And so here we are in the
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 11: cycle with was if you're like nearly half of the
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 11: league turning over at that all important position. But I
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 11: get why not specific to Harbar or Tomlin or anyone else,
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 11: but I think coaching in football matters more than in
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 11: any other sport. There's a reason why Signetti has Indiana
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 11: worse to first and competing for a national championship in
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 11: college football, right, you can really move the needle if
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 11: you find the right person. And just like every NFL
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 11: team is trying to find that franchise quarterback now, equally
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 11: I would say they're trying to find the CEO or
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 11: the coordinator, head coach who can impact winning consistently.
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: On Sundays, JB long for another couple of minutes here
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: on the Sean O'Connell Scholltalk and rams and all things NFL.
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: I'm asking every NFL guess this. So I've got to
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: ask you. There are a ton of head coaching openings,
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: and not all jobs in the NFL are created equal,
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 3: even though there are are only thirty two of them.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 3: And that's the pinnacle of the profession. Somebody calls you
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 3: and says, hey, we want you to be the head
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 3: coach of whichever of these teams you get to pick.
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: What's the best job? Which one are you taking?
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  Speaker 11: Well, I thought for sure there'd be a forty nine
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 11: ers question coming along the way there, knowing where your
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 11: colors rest, But we'll get there soon. Right to this
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 11: current question, I think is Baltimore for me? How many
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 11: jobs have an MVP caliber quarterback, proven waiting in his prime,
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 11: pretty solid culture, pretty solid tradition, a front office that
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 11: durrasts extraordinarily. Well, that's a situation that I would love
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 11: to walk into personally, especially as the division turns over.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: Zach Taylor the only.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 11: Coach left in that division, I believe. So so you
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 11: have it, you can walk right in and kind of
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 11: not start over, but you know pretty clearly draw a
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 11: line in the sand and say this is a division
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 11: that we can rule again.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 2: All right, time to get to Niners. But there's a
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: Rams element to this question.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: Most of the people we talked to have said that
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 3: it's the Rams Super Bowl to win or now. Some
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 3: people are skewing towards Seattle. And obviously the Niners have
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: to try to get by Seattle. They just played them
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 3: last week, didn't work out, and now you've got to
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: do it without George Kittle. What's your outlook on that
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 3: Niner Seahawks playoff game?
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: Because you know both of these teams.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 11: Well, yeah, well, if I had Mi brothers, they would
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 11: have played on Friday. Why did they give them all
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 11: the way until Saturday?
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: Sean?
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 11: It seems like too long arrest for your San Francisco
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 11: forty nine ers.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: It's the worst turnaround possible. They're trying to get the
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: Niners out of there.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 11: Pretty impressive what Shanahan and Purdy and McCaffrey have done.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 11: Solid equally, I mean, my goodness, he's basically coordinating the
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 11: defense with one hand tied behind his back. And the
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 11: fact that they're in the final final eight super impressive.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 11: You know, I'll just call attention to this fact to
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 11: the NFC West has three of the final four seats
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 11: at the NFC table. I don't think any of us
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 11: are surprised, but you know that, to me was the
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 11: best division in the league going into this season and
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 11: proved to be as such. I think the coaches, the coordinators,
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 11: the quarterbacks all led me in that direction, even though
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 11: everyone was still high on the NFC North and I
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 11: understand that one as well. But you know, a bespoke
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 11: game plan can do anything, and no one is better
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 11: at that than Kyle Shanahan. But this Seattle defense is real,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 11: and I know you know that. I know you saw
• 2:23:28
  Speaker 11: it in person just a couple of weeks ago. I
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 11: think Mike McDonald has perfectly orchestrated this defense. It's a
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 11: defense that was built to derail the Shanahan McVeigh offenses,
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 11: and they have the pieces to do it. So as
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 11: valiant as impressive as San Francisco's season has been, I
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 11: wouldn't be surprised if it comes to an end this weekend.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 11: That being said, if they cracked the door open for
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 11: the Rams to host another NFC championship game at Sofi
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 11: Stadium against the rival from up north.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 7: That'd be pretty cool too.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: What is most dangerous about this Chicago Bears team For the.
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 11: Rams, Two things come to mind immediately. Their downhill running game,
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 11: their ability to shorten a game, especially in cold conditions
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 11: against a roster that I know loves to get play
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 11: count up. And then Caleb's ability to playoff schedule. You know,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 11: Bryce Young did a little bit of that against them
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 11: last week. I think they do generate a ton of pressure,
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 11: but in terms of hemming a quarterback in the pocket
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 11: and making him beat you on schedule, that's not always
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 11: been the strength of this Rams defense. And to see
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 11: Caleb do it a couple of times against the Packers
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 11: in the cold recently, those kind of secondary actions, that
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 11: creating when the play breaks down. There's a reason the
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 11: Rams are favored. But I think if there's a path
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 11: of victory for Caleb and the Bears, it's that it's
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 11: extending drives. It's you know, converting on key third and
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 11: fourth downs. Even if the wizardry of Ben Johnson doesn't
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 11: do it initially, Caleb has the ability to create himself.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 2: JB.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 3: Appreciate you giving us a few minutes today, have a
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 3: great call, and I'll hope for that Niners Rams NFC
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 3: Championship matchup.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 11: Well, I'm just hoping that the Rams are part of
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 11: it next weekend because we're going to get frostbite one
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 11: way or another pursuing it.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, stay warm, all right, See I have a good show. JB. Long,
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: Voice of the Rams.
• 2:25:28
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• 2:25:32
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• 2:25:36
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• 2:25:38
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• 2:25:40
  Speaker 4: So we don't have the home broadcast, Oh, that's right,
• 2:25:42
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• 2:25:45
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• 2:25:48
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• 2:25:52
  Speaker 4: Maurice Jones, Dru DeMarco Farr and there in the home
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 4: Rams broadcast. Uh, but we we'll have the national broadcast
• 2:26:01
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• 2:26:03
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• 2:26:05
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• 2:26:08
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• 2:26:12
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• 2:26:14
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• 2:26:17
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• 2:26:20
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• 2:27:25
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• 2:27:29
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• 2:28:03
  Speaker 3: The other piece of breaking news was delivered by Devin
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 3: dan Pier himself. He is returning officially for the twenty
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 3: twenty sixth season to the University of Utah. He did
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 3: it with a just a perfect announcement tweet that was
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 3: an AI edit of a very famous scene from The
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 3: Wolf of Wall Street. I'm not leaving, But the very
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 3: beginning of that tweet and the video that accompanied it
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 3: featured none other than I guess now we have to
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 3: say the face of Utah football Spence check its.
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 12: People are saying that, and people are also saying that
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 12: I'm responsible for Devin coming back. Now, I'm not I
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 12: want to be clear. I'm not saying that people are
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 12: saying that, no one yet, but I think as this
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 12: would be said, yeah, I think. I mean, I haven't
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 12: talked to everybody. Somebody might be saying that. I think
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 12: as this story unfolds, And I want to be clear,
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 12: I don't want all the credit. That's not the type
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 12: guy I am. But you know, like, if you loop
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 12: me into the reason and as to why Devin is
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 12: coming back next year, I can see why you would
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 12: make that connection.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 3: Why would he put you as the first face to
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 3: be seen on his return announcement if it's not because
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 3: of you?
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 12: Yeah, And I mean again, I don't like to make
• 2:29:17
  Speaker 12: this about me. I want to be clear. This is
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 12: not me making this about me. This is me reacting
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 12: to other people making this about me. Okay, So I'm honored,
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 12: humbled even to be, you know, part of one of
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 12: the biggest stories in Utah football.
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: Well, some people are saying history Sean.
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 12: I like again, well again, I'm I'm I want to
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 12: be clear.
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it's Yeah, I need to who
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 4: I need to know who these some people are because
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 4: we should have some discussions with them. Yeah, in all seriousness,
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 4: it's big news. It's it's a very unique situation.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that Kevin McGibbon and Morgan Scally and this University
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 3: of Utah coaching staff get to deal with where you
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 3: you have two guys who are bona fide quarterback talents yep,
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 3: who know the situation and are willing to engage in
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 3: a competition or a dual quarterback system or whatever. And
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 3: that is so incredibly rare in college football these days.
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 3: And I think it's a testament to the young men
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  Speaker 3: themselves and obviously to what this coaching staff has been
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  Speaker 3: able to do in a short time.
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  Speaker 12: Well, and as you and I discussed, when the information
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  Speaker 12: came in that it was Kevin who was going to
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  Speaker 12: be hired, it was easy to draw a parallel between
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 12: Kevin's offense and Jason's offense. They're two different guys, but
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  Speaker 12: there are a lot of similarities with what Kevin was
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  Speaker 12: able to do with Bryson Barnes. And look, all due
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  Speaker 12: respect to our guy, the pig farmer loved me some Bryson.
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  Speaker 12: You know, Devin is twice the athlete and the player
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  Speaker 12: Bryson is. So we still need to they still need
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  Speaker 12: to build.
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  Speaker 2: And so is Bird. So now he's got four exactly, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 12: So you know, and this is a fan base quite frankly,
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  Speaker 12: over the past twenty four hours that needed a little
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  Speaker 12: bit of good news.
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  Speaker 2: Good news.
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  Speaker 12: He got a lot of meltdowns going on online. Be kind,
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  Speaker 12: stay offline, as my old producer John Paul Chunga used
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  Speaker 12: to say. And you know how much of Devin's decision
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  Speaker 12: to come back was tied to Kevin's offense.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I'm sure he got taken care of as
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  Speaker 12: far as the money portion of it. But look, this
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  Speaker 12: is a big box to check. You know, you have
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  Speaker 12: your quarterback, you have your backup, and as we've learned
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  Speaker 12: in this market over the past five, six, seven years,
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  Speaker 12: you need at least two proficient quarterbacks in college in
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  Speaker 12: college football. So big day for Utah football and a
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  Speaker 12: fan base that, like I said, needed a little good news.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, really cool to see.
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  Speaker 3: And the possibilities with an innovative play caller make this
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  Speaker 3: truly exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Like in a way that.
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  Speaker 3: Depth is wonderful, but they're both too good to have
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  Speaker 3: one guy on the sideline while the other one is playing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and this year's coaching staff knew that, and that's why
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  Speaker 3: you saw Bird score ten touchdowns right right, and why
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  Speaker 3: you saw him start.
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  Speaker 2: When he needed to.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm excited to know how these two are
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  Speaker 3: going to be used in conjunction with one another, and
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  Speaker 3: how they're going to compete against one another as well,
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  Speaker 3: because they're great friends off the field, and it's just
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  Speaker 3: it's neat and it's good news for the University of Utah.
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  Speaker 12: And also, and look, this is a year by year sport,
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  Speaker 12: so it's hard to look ahead, you know, at all
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  Speaker 12: quite frankly, let alone a couple of years down the road.
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  Speaker 12: But if these two, you know, continue to follow this
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  Speaker 12: path they're on, we have a succession plan for when
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  Speaker 12: Devin leaves and Bird can slide in there as a
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  Speaker 12: starter is a guy that knows the system. Again, year
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  Speaker 12: by year sport, I understand that.
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  Speaker 3: You want to avoid succession plan Utah football being connected
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  Speaker 3: for the foreseeable future.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, sadly, that's the space to live in.
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  Speaker 12: I know b YU thinks they have theirs with with
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 12: bear Bachmeyer and Ryder Lyons, so you know, that would
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  Speaker 12: be ideal if you could get that to play out.
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  Speaker 2: But not even a year by year sport.
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  Speaker 12: It's like a day by day sport at this point
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  Speaker 12: until they actually get things little uh, you know, as
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  Speaker 12: we're seeing over the past, and the transfer portal has
• 2:33:04
  Speaker 12: what two more days, three more days? Friday is when
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  Speaker 12: it closes, so still time to add unfortunately, still time
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  Speaker 12: to have taken from as well. But I'm really hoping
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  Speaker 12: and this is a pie in the sky optimistic view.
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  Speaker 12: But you know me, I'm positive thinker. I'm all about
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  Speaker 12: optimism and spreading love. I mean again, I don't I
• 2:33:22
  Speaker 12: was gonna say, Sean, that's not coming from me, that
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 12: is coming from others. And for the people that have
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 12: said that, thank you sincerely. If this recruiting excuse me,
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  Speaker 12: if this transfer portal cycle with contracts that have been
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 12: signed and then gone back upon, if this doesn't open
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  Speaker 12: the eyes, and I'm going to say, the decision makers
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  Speaker 12: I don't even know who they are at this point. Yes,
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 12: somebody who can kind of corral this thing. It is
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  Speaker 12: a sport that has it has so much potential that
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  Speaker 12: it's so broken and it's still so awesome, you know
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  Speaker 12: what I mean. Like, if you just get some things
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  Speaker 12: in place, college football could throw punches with the NFL
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  Speaker 12: as far as popularity and numbers go. I mean, the
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  Speaker 12: NFL has carved out this piece of real estate in
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 12: the minds of just Americans, not just sports fans. I
• 2:34:08
  Speaker 12: was talking to Iron Eagle yesterday name Drop on the show.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 12: And there's a random playoff game, I'll get a text
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  Speaker 12: from my aunt like, Hey, are you watching the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're eighty seven.
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  Speaker 5: Well, she just loves watching football, you know.
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  Speaker 12: But if there's a second most popular sport in America,
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  Speaker 12: it's college football. And if you can just fix it
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  Speaker 12: in a way that doesn't cause so much chaos every offseason,
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  Speaker 12: who knows how high it can fly.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, we got one game left in
• 2:34:36
  Speaker 4: this college football season, and then we're going to be
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 4: talking about the chaos of the offseason. That's going to
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 4: drive conversation on these shows. It's a year round sport now,
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 4: it is because the off season is a circus. And
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 4: Utah found a way today with the announcement of Devin
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  Speaker 4: Dan Pierce staying to calm down the potential circus nature
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  Speaker 4: of the next few days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so knock on when it stays there.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, still question along the offensive line of course, still
• 2:35:01
  Speaker 12: questions along the defensive line, and you lost a couple
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 12: of more pieces over the past seventy two hours that
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 12: we all thought would be you know, you know, we
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 12: thought Celesie would step in right away and play both
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 12: sides of the ball. So you know, and you're looking
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  Speaker 12: as far as the composite rankings go, wherever you go,
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  Speaker 12: two four seven ESPN BI US loading up.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they haven't lost very much.
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  Speaker 12: They get an All acc linebacker with twenty six starts,
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 12: they signed three offensive lineman yesterday, and look, I'll just
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 12: repeat this for whatever the reasons were that led Kyle
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 12: Whittingham to Ann Arbor, you took a real calculated risk
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 12: by moving on to a new era. And I am
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 12: just going to continue to preach that we're gonna have
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 12: to be a little bit patient here. I'm approaching next
• 2:35:47
  Speaker 12: year with confidence in Morgan and then a space inside
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  Speaker 12: of me. It's like, Okay, it's gonna take him a
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 12: little bit to build this thing up the way he
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 12: wants to.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly where I'm at. We'll, I guess, work together
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 4: and trying to lay that foundation. Yeah, I will do
• 2:36:00
  Speaker 4: the same thing everyone else does, and if it's a
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 4: six win season, I'll freak out.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be. I also don't
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 2: think it's going to be an eleven win season in
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 2: someone's first year as a head coach, for sure.
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 3: But you're gonna be in the conversation for some important things,
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 3: including big time players these next three days in the
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: transfer portal, and we'll stay on top of it. Stay
• 2:36:20
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