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S4 E18 Live! Crimes that Defy Logic - Dumb Criminal Chronicles! · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hello, everybody, I got hold on.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's fix this. There we go. That's better.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm laughing at the comments already, this one right here. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: my daughter in love is on, but monkey butt I
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  Speaker 3: told her she couldn't watch because my case is dark
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  Speaker 3: and is about sexual assault. So I told her she
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  Speaker 3: couldn't participate tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Mine involves stripping bodies and selling the skeletons, so that's fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I told her she could not listen tonight.
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  Speaker 2: So it was We've got We've got lots of stuff
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  Speaker 2: going on tonight. We've got a Chase update, we've got
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  Speaker 2: news stories, we've got our actual cases, and who knows
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  Speaker 2: what the hand grenadeose. So a lot happening, a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Happening, and I just changed my mind on the way
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  Speaker 3: I want to do this. So before Chase, I want
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  Speaker 3: to show your shirt so I can move it all
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  Speaker 3: the way before I spill on it.
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  Speaker 2: So, guys, I'm going to pull myself off and then
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  Speaker 2: you can be They can there. You're probably still here,
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  Speaker 2: but yeah I can.
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  Speaker 3: So since JT and I are going to the True
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  Speaker 3: Crime Podcast Festival and Brute Crime will be there as well,
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  Speaker 3: JT's other podcast. I got him a shirt made that
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  Speaker 3: is wine and beer that says why not both and
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  Speaker 3: on the back it has both of the locos and
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  Speaker 3: I'm very excited to have you in it.
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  Speaker 4: Yay.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait to model it.
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  Speaker 3: And my shirt it's not here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know I can. I think I like it
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  Speaker 2: better than Blueye, but that's that's to be. That's to
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  Speaker 2: be determined. I love this shirt. The shirt's awesome because
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  Speaker 2: it's like what a party people.
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  Speaker 3: Well, when double H saw it, he goes, well, wear's
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  Speaker 3: my shirt. I said, well, you're not going to the festival.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, and so note to self ordered double A
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  Speaker 3: to True Crime and One Time Shirt.
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  Speaker 2: Put the shirt in the store.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, I mean he has a hat. He wears
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  Speaker 3: our hat.
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  Speaker 2: That's true thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: It's cute. And then I get in it and then
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  Speaker 2: it's like, eh, oh.
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  Speaker 3: You designed it and it's going to be fabulous on you.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be good. Well that was fun. Do you want
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  Speaker 2: to do a few of the whole Well, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: have this. Look look what uh little Bruce Crime made
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  Speaker 2: for for me?
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  Speaker 3: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: I think that that is I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know that is a really good portrait of you, Dad.
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  Speaker 2: I think they painted what the I think the activity
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  Speaker 2: was called modern Mona Lisa, and that is.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I like it.
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  Speaker 2: I'll put it right here.
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  Speaker 3: You need to.
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  Speaker 2: It went in the office, see on the I don't
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  Speaker 2: spend much time around that Well you wouldn't know it,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't spend a lot of time around the fridge,
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  Speaker 2: but I do spend a lot of time in the office.
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  Speaker 2: So when it makes up to the office, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a big deal. So I'll put it somewhere that
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  Speaker 2: everybody can see it, somewhere over this way. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I just had it. I brought it up and I
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  Speaker 2: knew I was gonna forget tots adorbs, tots adorbs. All right,
• 5:05
  Speaker 2: do you want to do Chase?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So we've got some interesting stuff going on with
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  Speaker 3: the Chase Lackey investigation. For those of you who saw
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  Speaker 3: Midday Missing, know that I will be going to California
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  Speaker 3: meeting with one of the great people who volunteers their
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  Speaker 3: time to help investigate and do stuff. She and I
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  Speaker 3: are going to meet face to face, have a couple
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: of cocktails, and discuss some things. But I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: share here Harris County has given the case to a
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  Speaker 3: cold case detective who is supposed to be working on it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to just be honest and tell you I
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  Speaker 3: had high hopes when I saw it was a female.
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  Speaker 3: I had high hopes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh had hold on, that's past tense.
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  Speaker 3: And her email to me. Her response was because I
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  Speaker 3: asked if we could talk, she goes, I would love
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  Speaker 3: to hear what you have to say, but I'm not
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  Speaker 3: telling you anything.
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  Speaker 2: And oh, this is the person who didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: talk to you, right, They wanted to that the it.
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  Speaker 3: Will only talk to the family and is saying that
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  Speaker 3: they are not going to release Chase's cell phone, laptop,
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  Speaker 3: or his Xbox because it's still an ongoing investigation. And
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  Speaker 3: here's my thought on that. You've downloaded all the content
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  Speaker 3: off of it. You're not working the case. We have
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  Speaker 3: proof of that.
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  Speaker 2: What that f what's their definition of ongoing, Like all
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  Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's convenient for you to keep it
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  Speaker 2: so it's ongoing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, at a certain point, you surrender your ability to
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  Speaker 2: hold onto those things when you stop caring. So give
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  Speaker 2: them that's sack.
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  Speaker 3: And the family volunteered it to them because remember they
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  Speaker 3: did not treat Chase's apartment like a crime scene. They
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  Speaker 3: did no fingerprinting, they didn't do crap. The family said, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: do you want a cell phone? Do you want this
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  Speaker 3: to see? They offered that up and they don't want
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  Speaker 3: to give it back.
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  Speaker 2: If they would have done this right the first time
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  Speaker 2: instead offing around m hmm. But no, no, no, no no,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to further inconvenience the folks that are working
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  Speaker 2: on it and the family in order to show that
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  Speaker 2: we're doing something. I don't get it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like I said, I had high hopes, not
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  Speaker 3: saying that a man wouldn't do just as good, but
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  Speaker 3: I was hoping by it being a female, that maybe
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  Speaker 3: it would tug up the heart a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: because of somebody's kid going missing. I mean, I was hoping,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but maybe she will prove me wrong, and
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  Speaker 3: if she does, I will be happy to shake her
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  Speaker 3: hand and tell her you were right. I was wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But until that day, I mean, she didn't even dignify
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  Speaker 3: and say, yes, I would love to talk with you.
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  Speaker 3: Let's chat and tell me that on a phone call.
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  Speaker 3: She sends me an email basically saying I'm not talking
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  Speaker 3: to you unless you're giving me tips because you're not family.
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  Speaker 2: So the massive binder that you have.
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  Speaker 3: And we're starting the second one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if listen, if she's gonna be like that,
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  Speaker 2: then I mean you want to burn your bridges, go
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  Speaker 2: for it. But yeah, that mean sucks. It sucks because
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  Speaker 2: it's not just burning bridges. You can't trust her, so
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to try and build the bridge back.
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  Speaker 3: So exactly so I'm I mean I almost wanted to
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  Speaker 3: message Debbie and Craig and say, okay, either one of
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: y'all want to adopt me so that I can say
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  Speaker 3: I'm family, so I can just shove it in her
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  Speaker 3: face because I would really like to just say see.
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  Speaker 2: That, you know, but hey, I want you to really
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  Speaker 2: really get the heavy binder, and just I bet you
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  Speaker 2: they saw that task.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I am going to ask our viewers. I have
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  Speaker 3: some names of people that we've been given their names.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going to give you the information we have
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  Speaker 3: about them. We're trying to find them or find somebody
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  Speaker 3: that knows them well that will either have them call
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  Speaker 3: us on that private line or we'll call and leave
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  Speaker 3: a private message with how to get in touch with
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  Speaker 3: them so I have a list of names. All of
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  Speaker 3: these individuals had contact with Chase in the last two
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  Speaker 3: weeks before he went missing. The majority of them do
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  Speaker 3: have a connection to him working in the drug trade. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: so I want to give these names out there. Anthony
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  Speaker 3: Barahona Crosby, Texas, Fabian Silvestre from unknown, David Dahlmeyer from Houston, Texas,
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  Speaker 3: Desmond Cartwright from Crosby, Don Covington from Dallas, Dallas, Scott
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  Speaker 3: and I'm not sure his name is Dallas. His name
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  Speaker 3: just could be Scott from Dallas, but he is a
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  Speaker 3: jeweler in Dallas, so that should help narrow it down.
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  Speaker 3: And then this last one's going to be interesting, Torren
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  Speaker 3: Cassini from Colorado and then also has had addresses in Reno, Nevada.
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  Speaker 3: What's interesting about that person is I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: say the name, but there is a person who went missing. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned it on Midday Ian who went missing from Colorado.
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  Speaker 3: It's from the Houston area. He and Chase had each
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  Speaker 3: other in their phones. I would love to know this
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  Speaker 3: Torn Cassini and know did he know Ian as well.
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  Speaker 3: I there's so many similarities to their cases. I can't
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  Speaker 3: help but wonder. So if anybody knows them, please tell
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  Speaker 3: them to call me anonymously at five one two, five, five,
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  Speaker 3: three nine four eight four. We now have the tip
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  Speaker 3: line where it'll either go to voicemail. You can have
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  Speaker 3: it go to voicemail, or it'll ask you to push
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  Speaker 3: a number and you can come straight to my cell phone. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: And I will tell you, guys, when I see it's
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  Speaker 3: the tip line, I dropped business calls to get it, okay,
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: because it just shows up tipline. It doesn't show their
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  Speaker 3: phone number, It just shows tipline. So if anybody knows
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  Speaker 3: any of these individuals, have them call us or call
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  Speaker 3: me and tell me how to find them. Because I'm
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  Speaker 3: not saying they're involved with his disappearance. No, I want
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  Speaker 3: to know what he was up to those last couple
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  Speaker 3: of weeks from people that knew him in a different
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  Speaker 3: way than friends and family did. They were more of
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  Speaker 3: a work connection. And now, just because I'm me, I
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  Speaker 3: want to share some exciting information for those of you
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  Speaker 3: that know about the Chase Lackey case. You've heard me
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  Speaker 3: talk about his fake friends, Attisin Gerrera and Matt Brewer,
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  Speaker 3: and I had shared that Garrera was arrested and indicted
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  Speaker 3: on money wandering charges in possession up to fifty pounds.
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  Speaker 3: He is going on trial July fifteenth.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, is there a live stream?
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  Speaker 3: So there is shut the front door County seventh District
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  Speaker 3: Court on YouTube is what it says, and it will
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  Speaker 3: start at ninety seventh.
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  Speaker 2: Can one of the mods write that down? Smith County
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  Speaker 2: seventh District Court. Nine am on you said, you said
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  Speaker 2: July fifteenth. July fifteenth, July fifteenth, So there. Oh, that's
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  Speaker 2: the monday we get we are back.
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  Speaker 3: It's the monday we get back. If that wasn't the case,
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  Speaker 3: I would be going there right. But what I find
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  Speaker 3: so interesting about this is, you know, he's refused, he's
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  Speaker 3: refused to talk to us, he has refused to give
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  Speaker 3: any help to try to find Chase. But he lives
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  Speaker 3: a very nice lifestyle. You know, he's been in the
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  Speaker 3: drug business. He's who got Chase in it. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's probably trying to get out now. But he is
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  Speaker 3: pleading not guilty, and he got busted by going to
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  Speaker 3: the pack and mail place to pick up a package
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  Speaker 3: that he sent to himself with the drugs in it
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  Speaker 3: and money. Well, you're kind of blame, not guilty. Why
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  Speaker 3: didn't you take a plea deal?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, deal wasn't wasn't good enough. I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. You know what though, mmmm mmmm mmm oh.
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  Speaker 2: I I struggle to say this, but I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: if you're moving that much. I just rese saw an
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  Speaker 2: episode of some show where the guy would not would
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  Speaker 2: not help by informing to get out because he was
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  Speaker 2: so high up on the chain that he knew somebody
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  Speaker 2: was going to be able to bail him out and
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  Speaker 2: he could get out in a way. So what I
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  Speaker 2: am saying is, nah, that's what I'm saying without saying it.
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  Speaker 3: What I think is a lot of time plea deals
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  Speaker 3: happened at the last minute, right. Yeah, I've said this
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  Speaker 3: multiple times. I do not think he himself did anything
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  Speaker 3: to Chase. I do not think that. Do I think
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  Speaker 3: he knows at my granddaughter's not in here, make sure,
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  Speaker 3: absol fuck lutely he knows, and he's probably trying to
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  Speaker 3: cover his ass. Okay, but they will kill you. But
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: you think they're gonna let you get convicted and go
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  Speaker 3: to prison, and you think you're gonna be okay in there.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if I was Addison, I would start turning evidence,
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  Speaker 3: turn these people in and take my cute little butt
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  Speaker 3: down to witness protection.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Instead of down to gen Pop because instead of good luck.
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm here to tell you, I have never heard
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  Speaker 3: where any drug cartel lets you go to prison and
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: they think you're not gonna talk because he's a pretty boy.
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  Speaker 3: He's the talker, he's the sells guy, he's the smootherer.
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  Speaker 3: He's not you're down in dirty street thug. Matt's more
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: the street thug kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of guy, unless he's worth more to them alive.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the other one. That's the case. It's going
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  Speaker 3: to be interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, come the fifteenth of July, if able,
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  Speaker 2: we'll stream the trial, I don't. I mean, it's it's local.
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  Speaker 2: We wouldn't be streaming another another news station or anything.
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  Speaker 2: So I think we could get away with it without
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: much commentary. So we'll either stream it here or we
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: can stream it in the discord on courtyard.
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  Speaker 3: Well I could also I know somebody that lives there
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  Speaker 3: and I can check. And I mean, I don't know
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: if they'll let you have a phone in the courtroom
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  Speaker 3: and record, would they Probably not?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: You won't know. We'll just have to. We'll have to
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  Speaker 2: pull the feed from from live stream, and that's fine.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: We just share the screen. It's something I've done before,
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  Speaker 2: so we can. Definitely it should be fine to do
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  Speaker 2: that unless there's some some rule that the judge made,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't think there is for this kind of
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  Speaker 2: a thing.
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  Speaker 3: So well, he's going to have pre trial on July eighth,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: at one point thirty is pre trial.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So.
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  Speaker 3: I'm really hoping that Addison does the right thing because
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I also want to say to him, if you've got information,
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  Speaker 3: trade it, trade it to protect yourself. You've got kids.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: The minute trades, the minute he trades it is the
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  Speaker 2: minute he's dead.
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  Speaker 3: Nope. Hey, the Texas Rangers and the Texas Marshall, I
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  Speaker 3: know for a fact, have gotten someone out of the
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  Speaker 3: cartel much higher up than him, and the person what
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: about and had a life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't want him to go about and
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: have a life.
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  Speaker 3: I don't either. But unless he tells us where Chase is, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: because part of his punishment would be if you go
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: into WITSEC, He's not going to get to talk to
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  Speaker 3: his mama. He's not going to get to talk to
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: all these people he will get to go with his
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: kid and a woman and that'll be it. So there
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: is some punishment in that, and they'll probably put him
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: in Montana working on a horse farm and make him
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: shovel poop. He will not be driving nice cars going
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: to fancy parties with his rap people in LA anymore.
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  Speaker 2: So could you hear my eye roll?
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  Speaker 3: I did? I did. So if anybody knows any of
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  Speaker 3: those individuals the names I just mentioned, please have them
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  Speaker 3: call me reach out you, because they might know something
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: without knowing they know something. They in no way do
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  Speaker 3: I have any reason to suspect they're involved. They just
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: happen to be doing business with him or we're close
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: kind of friends. In the last two weeks on the
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: business side, do not think they were involved with the
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: cartel or anything like that. There were more customers, so
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that is our chase update. There is some things going on,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: but we're not going to be able to talk about
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: some of the stuff we're finding out. One reason I
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: now get a little bit more why police keep things
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: close to the chest because you don't want people to
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: get the information. Also, for mine and all of us JT,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: you included all of our safety.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: So ah, well, thanks for looking out for me. Do
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: well anywhere else?
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would not do well either. And just because
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: it carry a gun doesn't mean I want to use it.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I will use it, but I don't want to.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So are you okay if I reuse an asset from
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  Speaker 2: another one of our shows for our stupid.
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  Speaker 3: News, of course, as long as it's not a picture of.
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  Speaker 2: My favorite No, I keep those on the I mean, no,
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  Speaker 2: it's not. And here we go. I got an awesome
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  Speaker 2: face paint job. What do you think? Don't don't watch
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  Speaker 2: the news because we see this do every day? I
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: mean every day. I think this kid pass out on
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: a flora people wanted to be It's just like, dude,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: you get the best barrels ever, Dude, just let them
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: out here? Uh? What's what's the best kind of fireworks
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to buy? Wouldn't you like to know? Weather Boy? Where
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  Speaker 2: are your parents?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I'm so proud of myself for that one.
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  Speaker 3: I laugh at that now before I tell y'all my
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: stupid news thing. I don't know if anybody has been
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: to BUCkies, but these bold and spicy BUCkies Nuggies, these
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: are addicting and I've already eaten two servings back.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: That sounds like, uh, you're you're like two servings off
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: an American serving.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, my fourteen pounds i've lost are diminishing. So
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: we're called.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: There's a BUCkies, and there's a bucket there.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: They are now opening them up outside of Texas. BUCkies
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: is a great place to just go and spend some time.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: They're planning on having four Virginia locations. It looks like Stafford,
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  Speaker 2: New Ken and Rockingham. So we'll see here.
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  Speaker 3: Because they have the beaver on here. My monkey butt
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: wanted me to get her one of their swimsuits that
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: they sell, and I was going to until I noticed
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: it's got beavers all over it, and one of the
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: beavers is strategically. They didn't pay attention to where they
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: put it, and I can't put it on an eleven
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: year old in that area, just saying I couldn't do it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: An they knew what they were doing, They knew they were.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think it had to have
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: been an accident, because it's not that way on the
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: adult ones. It's all the good ones.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I think we need to look into this. Whoever designed that,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: we need to look into them immediately yakes. So well, uh,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: you're starting right.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: I am, and I am and this one it just
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: the headline made me laugh, Okay, made me laugh. Wife
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: accused of spiking husband's mountain dew with weed killer told
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the cops I should have just divorced em. I mean,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: she didn't try to lie. She owned it. But here's
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: the funny thing. The reason she did this was because
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: she was mad at her husband because he didn't appreciate
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: the fiftieth birthday party she threw.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I'm so, I mean point out fifty and I'm not
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: going to be enthusiastic either.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, really, you put weed killer, she put round
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: up in his mountain dew. But here's the thing. They
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: are like us and have cameras everywhere. He thought something
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: was up, and he thought it had an as odd flavor.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: But then he reviewed video footage of the garage and
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: he saw her grab the O and do out the refrigerator,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: grab the wine, the round up, and then put the
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: mountain dew back. So he went to the police.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: You know, you know it's amazing that he tasted anything
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: over the taste of dew stuff.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Well, I just have to say, how did you forget that?
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: You have a camera in the garage because I mean,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: it wasn't too long ago. I told double H I said,
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I couldn't sleep last night. He goes, why, I said,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: because I was laying here realizing I could not sneak
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: out of this house or sneak in every window door
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and every inch of our property is covered. Captain, I agree,
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: and a freeze would pair much better with Mountain dew.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Y'all, y'all go mad.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm assuming everybody uses Anna freeze, so she
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: thought she would do something different because she probably thought
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: it wouldn't be caught. I don't know, but you don't
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: just look at the cop and say, yeah, I should
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: have divorcede.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was not confession.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I'm like, at least tried to live for a couple
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of minutes. And if you're gonna kill your spouse, could
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: it be for something besides the fact he was unappreciative.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Are you saying you didn't appreciate the excuse?
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I did not appreciate the excuse. I did not, So
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: now she's gonna try to kill me.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Oh well, listen, we're gonna head from there. Where was that.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: At Lebanon, Missouri?
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Perfect we're gonna head to Florida. Yeah, We're gonna head
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: to Florida. Originally it originated in New Jersey, but this
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: New Jersey man flew to Florida because he was upset
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: with another player on a game that he was playing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: So an online gaming dispute made its way to the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: real world when a New Jersey man flew to Florida
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to attack another player with a hammer. Edward Kang, twenty,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: is charged with attempted second degree murder and armed burglary
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: with a mask, according to Nassau County records. He was
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: arrested on Sunday. Nasau County Sheriffs Bill Leeper said, I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: just want to tell you this is a weird one.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Some things you just can't make. A Kang and the victim,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: another young man around the same age, had never met
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: in real life, but they both played arc Age, a
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: medieval fantasy massively MMRPG massively multiplayer online role playing game.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: The game's publisher announced in April it was going to
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: be shutting down servers. That's not important. He flew from
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Newark to Jacksonville after telling his mother that he was
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: going to visit a friend that he had met while
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: playing a video game. Mom just was like, yeah, sure,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: you're twenty. You're in my house. Get out. Officials didn't
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: say how Kang learned where the victim lived. Upon arrival,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: he took an uber to a hotel about thirty five
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: miles north of Jacksonville, and then bought a hammer at
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: a local hardware store. He went to visit the victim's home,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: which was unlocked dumb around two am Sunday. Authority said
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the victim was walking out of his bedroom when he
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: was confronted by Kang, who hit him on the head
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: with the hammer. The two struggled as the victim called
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: for help. His stepfather respond because of course, he lives
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: with his parents too, responded and helped to restrain Kang
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: until police arrived. The victim suffered I hope he's okay,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: but suffered several head wounds. They weren't considered life threatening. Okay,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: that's good. He received staples at the hospital. Kang told
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: investigators that the victim is a quote bad person online.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: He also asked deputies how much jail time people got
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: for breaking and entering an assault quote and this is
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: from the sheriff. Again, I'd say, mister Kang, it's going
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: to be a long time before you play video games again.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: But do you really it's not breaking and entering if
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: the door is unlocked, right.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not breaking, it's certainly entering. He broke well,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: he broke his head, so there was breaking, and then
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: there was it was E and B rather than be
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and E.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: B A E. Alright, that's pretty good one. I have
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: one last one, And for anybody who's been to a
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: nail salon, I hope I can do this someday. Customers
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: at an Atlanta nail salon ignore man trying to rob them.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: He walks in start shouting, everybody, get down, get down,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: give me all of your money. All the customers just
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: looked up, unimpressed, and the nail people just kept doing
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: their nails. And the article says they stare at him
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: and barely move or change their expressions, except for one
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: customer who eventually stands up, raises her hands, and when
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: he walks up to confront her, she slowly backs out
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: the door. And then he realized what would if He's
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: not getting anywhere with this, So he looks around and
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: he's like, screw it, and he walks out the door,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: So he got something.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: You don't lock, you know, you don't. You don't give
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: them what they want. You just show indifference, and we're
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: gonna call him the indifferent rubber. I mean, yeah, I
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: love it because she would found me like an FNL sketch.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I know, you would think all the women would be like,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: you know, but no, they just kept sitting there and
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: just looked up and just just kept getting their little
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: nails done.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Right. What's this a salon with free wine all?
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I would hope.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: So, but my last one involves a critter, a critter
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: and assault charges. So Marissa Simonetti, who's running for a
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: seat in the Hennepin County Board, which is uh uh
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: in it's like in Minnesota, she says that, uh, the
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: woman involved rented a room in the house she lives
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: in and then refused to leave. So Marisa Christine Simonetti,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: which sounds like it's from the Sopranos, thirty years old,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: was arrested Friday, June twenty first on a charge of
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: fifth degree assault. I didn't realize it went up to
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: five degrees, but there's six degrees of separation, so why
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: not it's fifth degree? Is probably just for like dumbass,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: just a dumbass choice of weapon or something. I don't know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: but she a woman called Adina police to report Simonetti
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: trespassing into her section of the house. You know, you know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: when you're a parent, you're like, do I have to
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: draw a line down in the middle of the car.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Apparently that was it, the alleged victim, Twin Cities attorney
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Jackie Vasquez, that's the victim, tells care eleven News. Simonetti
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: threw Simonetti threw a live tarantula at her, among various
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: other junk in what she describes as a scary encounter.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Simon and Eddie spent the weekend in custody and was
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: really see, don't don't commit a crime on a Friday
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: or a Saturday. You end up spending the weekend in jail.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: The charge involves fear of bodily harm and does does
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: not require battery.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: So why is that not a tempted murder? That's a
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: tempted murder?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Why is it not a tempted murder?
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: I am petrified of spiders. You threw that on me,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I would die. I would literally have heart failure, wet myself.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, you do not want to know what
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: that would have been.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Well, well listen, apparently they they they ended up talking
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to her on her way out of the courtroom. So
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: we will definitely, I'm going to share the screen and
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: then we're going to show a lovely video as our
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: segue into the next thing. So let me go ahead
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: and open this up. This is this is the woman.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: She does look like she's from the Sopranos BO Show.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: And I have not previewed this video. I have no
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: idea what's gonna say. It might not be anything. We'll
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: see Marissa Carole Eban News. We talked a little bit
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: about what happened. What do you want to know? Oh?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: That was it? That was the whole video. What do
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: you want to know? I want to know where you
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: get coffee while you wait.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: That.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, my mom and I were both scared of tarantula's.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: There was a time we went to a kidney shoe
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: store if anybody remembers those, and my mom went to
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: write a check and went to put her arm down
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: and they had a pet tarantula and a terrarium there
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: on the counter. Let's just say I did not get
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: my shoes and my mom dropped a couple of expletives
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: and we left. Oh my god, no, see red air.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And then she threw a bunch of other stuff. So
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: that's what that's what it ended up looking like, apparently,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: And I guess on top of that, this fellow was
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: also charged with fift degree assault, which honestly he should
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: be charged again for for yeah, for me having a
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: look what is this? This is the first video shows
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: her tossing the tree. Oh, here we go, here we go,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: here we go. All right, Oh, I wouldn't call that
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: a toss.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: He let it out of the cage. That's a toss.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: And I'm scared.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Enough to the candidate Christ Jesus. Oh no, here she
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: throws more stuff down the stairs, and finally, who appears
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: to be filming as well, admit she just bought the tarantula.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: This is insane.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: Well, actually, the more important question, and it's asked one
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: time in the Bible, is what must I do to
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: be saved? And the answer is believe in the Lord
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: Jesus Christ, and you and your house will all be saved.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: So if you got about ten minutes, I'd love to
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: walk you through it. Get a campaign donation, Uh you
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: don't have ten minutes for Jesus.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, be blessed, Cooky.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I don't have ten minutes for you. But the concept
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: of you equating yourself to Jesus not original been done recently.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And uh. In addition, I don't remember where throwing shit
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: at other people is in the you know what? He
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: listen he did toss shit in front of the church,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: toss it and said, go, oh that's Jesus Christy superstar.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Sorry but yep, yes, harassing for Jesus, harassment for Jesus. Well,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: that's not harassment for Jesus. My thing, the whole thing moved.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Harassment for Jesus.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Yay, I mean, wow, it's uh, I mean.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: It's it's something else. Okay.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: I do feel sorry for the spider. Even though I
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: allow double H to keep one garden spider a year
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: on our property, all of the rest have to be
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: killed because they're on my property.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, but you still I'm gonna play this
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: last one. I agree. Uh, this is honorable. The sound,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: it is amazing.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: It's so happy.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: He's just part of it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: He did, he burped.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I think I think the funny part about it is
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: it was actually Terry crunching the goats very quiet.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: No, but I find funny. He will not let you
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: take them out of the bag and feed them to him.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: He wants to take them out of the bag.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: That was his treat for making it through surgery.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I love Jasper, what a good boy.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Just so it was very lighthearted, but it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Is I think we needed that before we get into
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: darkness and depravity.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: I have just gonna say. I really was like writing
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: and doing all my notes and I'm like, am I
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: the only person in this world that does dumb criminals?
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: And it's still dark? And then they heard about yours
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, can I know JT's just as dark
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: as me?
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Yep. Well, right before we do that, we're going to
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: take just a quick break. I want you guys to
• 40:38
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• 40:41
  Speaker 2: looking for more subs and we just need a few
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: more more hours to be honestized.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: So relatively, here's the thing. We are so close that
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: we would do our little party. We need three hundred
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: and twenty rewatch hours and we're there.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: It's really not that much.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: It can be done, so it's really close. And then
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: you will do make up, eat stuff.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Listen, if everybody who subbed here watched uh the latest
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: episode that was posted, Uh try pile story time, we'd
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: have double what we needed. So uh so yeah, so
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: we're gonna hit this and then we'll hope.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: We go.
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: Even Broadwicket and Thirsty Creatucket out of the crowd to set.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: You can tell already standing body.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fun times.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I just want to say, we're going to be together
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: physically in just a couple of weeks. Wouldn't it be
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: amazing if we could hit this before we're together and
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: do it all live together.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Would be fantastic. That means that I'm
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: going to borrow your makeup, so I.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Will bring plenty for you to use.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good, and I'll I'll try and remember, listen,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the last ab sauce is still It's sitting on my counter,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: just chilling in the kitchen. So I have it. I
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: have it. It already exists in my house.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: So if we can hit it before you get on
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: that plane, you can bring it.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: With you, Yes, and I will for sure, and they'll
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: be confused why I brought it? But too bad? All right,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: So we're talking dumb criminals tonight. And I mean, by
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: my fellow, wasn't your traditional dumb certainly not the dumb
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: news that we just read. But the Mudget was something else.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Uh and uh, I call him. Everybody knows him as
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: HH Holmes. However that wasn't what he was born as.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: And after I say that, what he was more and
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: as you realize why you went to HH Holmes, it's
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: it's certainly. I mean he basically went He's the original
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: triple H. So I don't know what to day. Uh,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: all right, so in the it's a wrestling reference, it's okay.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I'm like, go on, what is a triple age? I
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: have a double H. I don't need a triple one.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: I've already got double a double H.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Holmes, I would keep my double eight.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: That'd be a spin on your life. If he was double.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Chill, Yeah, we would not be married.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: So in the annals of criminal history, few names conjure
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the same chilling intrigue as H. H. Holmes, the sinister
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: architect of America's first known murder castle, born Herman Webster Mudget,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: what a winner. See see you see women in bars
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: were chuckling, and he was like, I'm going to be
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: called to HH Holmes because that's how everybody talked in
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: eighteen seventies.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Ibid, who wouldn't change their name if your name was Mudget?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree. So his tale is marked by a
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: macabre ingenuity that has since inspired countless tales of horror
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: suspense saw So holmes story is not just one of murder,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: but meticulous planning, cold calculation, and an unnerving charisma that
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: allowed him to evade suspicion for far longer than his
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: brutal acts should have permitted. I do want to say this,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: and I'm i mentioned it, you know, kind of a
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: little further on, excuse me, but there was a lot
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: of sensationalism in the media. Oh shock audible gasp. There
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: is both the stories about the third floor being amazed
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: and all this stuff, and I'll talk about it in here,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: But there's also the thought that he didn't even finish
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the third floor. It was literally just a way to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: hide furniture that he was given so that they couldn't
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: take it back because he's a skame sm artist. So
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: there's a little bit of both things. I am going
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: to give you the story that most sources use, which
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: is like murder castle. But I will also mention the
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: other in a little bit. Yes, the blueprints are quite interesting,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: that is very true, and the way that he had
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: them build that area is also very interesting, which leads
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: it to that as long as as it's not a
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: real one. Well so, his infamous Chicago hotel, constructed for
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: the eighteen ninety three World's Fair, was a labyrinth fortress
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: of terror, complete with sound proof rooms, trapdoors, secret passageways,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: grease shoots. It was designed with a singular purpose of
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: facilitating his gruesome experiments and insidious appetites. However, it's crucial
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: to recognize again here it is Look, I wasn't that
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: far off that a lot of this comes from sensationalized
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: media reports and accounts that have embellished his or already
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: horrifying deeds. While Holmes's crimes were undoubtedly heinous, some of
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: the more fantastical elements of his story, such as exaggerated
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: body counts elaborate torture devices, may owe more to the
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: imaginations of journalists and novelists than to documented fact. So
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: he did some of these things, for sure, it's just
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: a matter of how dramatized it's been, right, which the
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: story doesn't need to be dramatized. It is already insane.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about HH, We're gonna talk about
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the methods, motives, We're gonna talk about a lot of things.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So Herman Herman Webster Budget, later known as HH Holmes,
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: was born on May sixteenth, eighteen sixty one, in Gilmanton,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: New Hampshire. He was the third of five children in
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: a devout Methodist family. His parents Levi Horton Mudget and
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Theoday Price page Price. We're both strict, you know what.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: I think his parents were named what they were and
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: they said this sucked. We're gonna pass on the misery.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Why not? So so you've got Levi Horton, Mudget and
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Theoday page Price.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry he should have taken his wife's name. I
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: think Price would have been better than Mudget.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: This was the late eighteen hundreds. I know we're still
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: trying to fight that battle. Yes, you give kids a
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: bad name. So they were strict disciplinarians his parents, which
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: is a common characteristic of the time. Levi was a
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: farmer and a trader. Theod eight may manage the household. Surprise, surprise, Yes,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: that's exactly how it's spelled. Theod eight. Let's see the
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: strict upbringings often cited as a factor in shaping his
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: early personality and behavior. He was reportedly an intelligent and
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: inquisitive child, characteristics that would later evolve into cunning and manipulative.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: He exhibited an early fascination with medicine, an interest that
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: was allegedly sparked by a traumatic childhood experience. According to
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: some accounts, he was bullied by his peers, who once
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: forced him to view and touch a human skeleton. Though
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: intended to frighten him, the incident instead piqued his curiosity
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: about the human body and the workings of death. His
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: curiosity is quite the way.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: But how did they come across as a human skeletal
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: laying around?
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Well, if I remember correctly, a good chunk of like biology, skeletons,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: things used in classrooms and hospitals and stuff like that,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: I believe that they used to be skeletons.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I used to be real.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Somebody looked up for me. I don't want to put
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: that out there as a possibility if it's not true,
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: So either confirm or deny it, you know, I don't
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: mind being told I'm.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Wrong that would make sense back then.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, wow, yeah, I don't know, but I think
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: piqued his curiosity as quite a way of saying so.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: His academic journey began at a local school in Gilmington,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: where he was a bright but solitary student. He graduated
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: from high school at the age of sixteen, and soon
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: after began teaching in Alton, New Hampshire and nearby towns.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: His teaching career, however, was short lived. So that's I
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: can't imagine being taught by a six year old.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but he was an elwigate. He was the
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: first Dukie howser.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: He was Dougie Mudget Dukey that ended up on the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: cutting room floor was like a first draft title and
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: they were like, we can't have this, so we're gonna
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: go with Housard at the age or sorry. In eighteen
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: seventy eight, at the age of seventeen, Holmes married Clara Lovering,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: which is quite the last name by the way, Mudget
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: and Lovering.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Mhm sex toy much anyway, go on.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Say it just nope, I knew I knew it. Holmes
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: enrolled at the University of Vermont and Burlington However, he
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: was dissatisfied with the school's programs and left after a year.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: In eighteen eighty two, he was accepted into the University
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: of Michigan's Department of Medicine and Surgery, So that means
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: that he was that's for gas math twenty one. When
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: he was accepted into the Department of Medicine and Surgery.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It was here that his fascination with anatomy and dissection flourished.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: During this time in medical school, Holmes engaged in numerous
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: unethical practices, including insurance fraud. What he would do was
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: he would steal cadavers, disfigure them and claim they were
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: victims of accidents to collect insurance money. This early criminal behavior.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: And insurance back then, and we still have it fixed it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: We still haven't fixed racism or sexism, like there are priorities.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't know insurance was around back then.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Wow, we certainly haven't fixed separation in church and state.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: So you know, there's a lot of things we haven't fixed.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: But go ahead. I'm sorry. I just I don't know
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: why I thought insurance came around in like nineteen thirty
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean one of the big questions that
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: he asks while while going through the jurors to select
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: a jury pool, is do you work for the such
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: and such or do you know somebody who works for
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I can't remember what financial game it was.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Why, Okay, mm hmm.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: So this early criminal behavior, I mean, it just it
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: just it demonstrates his lack of moral compass and traits
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: that would later define his career. I don't remember specifically,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: but I believe that he actually worked with one of
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: his mentors to actually take corpses as well to study them.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: But and to be honest with you, that is not unique.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: That was done a lot like grave robbing was a thing.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: So so yeah, let's see so. Upon graduating in eighteen
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: eighty four, two years later, Holmes briefly moved to Moore's Forks,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: New York, gus Intite, where he was suspected of the
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: disappearance of a local boy. He left town quickly, moving
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: to Philadelphia, where he found work as a keeper at
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Norristown State Hospital, a position he soon left. He next
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: took a job at a drug store in Philadelphia, but
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: left after a child died from taking medicine that he
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: had provided. Holmes denied any involvement and immediately left the city.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: You know, one death, one death, maybe, yeah, it's weird.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Two deaths coincidence three times and you all of a
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: sudden leave quickly every time. Then yeah. So so. In
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: eighteen eighty six, Herman Webster Mudget changed his name to
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Henry Howard Holmes, a pivotal step in his transformation into
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: the infamous H. H. Holmes. This name change allowed him
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: to distance himself from his past misdeeds alleged I guess
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: and begin anew. Ultimately, he relocated to Chicago in eighteen
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: eighty six and began working at a pharmacy owned by
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth S. Houlton. He was impressed by his charm, his professionalism,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: and her Her husband had died, and she ended up
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: selling her business to Holmes. Although the circumstances of the
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: transaction are a little weird, some thought that Holmes was
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: you know, used coercion, foul play. Possibly he killed the husband,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: which honestly I would not put pasted him. So with
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: the pharmacy under his control, that's funny, nuggies Alamudget, with
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the pharmacy under his control, he began his ascent into infamy.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: In eighty seventy years late A year later, Holmes purchased
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: an empty lot at the corner of South Wallace Avenue
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: and West sixty third Street, across the street from the
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: pharmacy that he was that he owned, and he began
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: the construction of a three story building that would later
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: become known as His Murder Castle. Officially designed as a
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: hotel and retail space for the upcoming eighteen ninety three
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: World's Columbian Exposition, The building thing featured a labyrinth LABYRINTHI labyrinthine,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: labyrinthine I think a thin labyrinthine layout. Oh man sat words,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: hook it on Pahanic's work for me, including secret passages,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: soundproof rooms, trapdoors, and basements equipped with surgical tables of
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: crematorium and various torture devices, including a vat of acid.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay yeah.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Holmes employed several construction crews over this time, often firing
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: them before they could fully grasp the building's true purpose.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: This constant rotation of workers ensure that no one fully
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: understood what was going on, so they'd work on individual
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: parts and then he fire them in say their job
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: wasn't they didn't do a good enough job, he wouldn't
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: pay them, and then he'd hire the next crew to
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: do something. So m hmm, smarty, smarty mc marterson.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Smart but stupid, right right.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: So. The first floor of the building contained commercial spaces,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: including a new and expanded version of Holmes Pharmacy, a
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: jewelry store, various other shops. Maybe that's where your jeweler works.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe. The second floor housed holmes personal
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: office and living quarters, along with several rooms for guests.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: It was on this floor that holmes sadistic designs became evident.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Rooms were outfitted. Rooms were outfitted with gas jets controlled
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: for home from Holmes's office, allowing him to asphixiate his
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: victims at will. Some rooms were equipped with iron plates,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: effectively making them sound proof. Okay. The third floor was
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: intended as a hotel for fairgoers visiting the World World's
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Columbian Exposition. This floor featured more guest rooms, many of
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: which contained hidden passages, trapdoor, secret staircases leading to the basement,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: places that led to nowhere, all kinds of stuff. And
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: then the basement was the It was the Chamber of horrors.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: It housed a dissecting table, stretching rack, acid bats, quicklime pits,
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: and crematorium. Wow, yeah, now, and he used.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: The gas means that they didn't feel everything right, It
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: just put them to sleep, helped me feel better.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would imagine, I would imagine it was
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: natural gas, and I'm guessing they would go unconsciously before
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: anything happened.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: But I honestly I'm hoping they get on the stretch machine.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Well, it's it's kind of hard. It's really hard to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because when he was arrested, arsonists ended
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: up burning the place down. So there's only so much
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: that we can pull from things. And a lot of
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: this is coming from the blueprints that Captain had mentioned earlier. Also,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: he used the basement to dispose of the bodies of
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: his victims, either by burning them, dissolving them in acid,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: or he would strip the flesh and sell the skeletons
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: to medical schools.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Because why not, I'm just for dumb criminals, really dark.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Right, right right. So he would lure, and he would
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: lure his victims in different ways. He targeted young women
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: because he's a real man's man, often enticing them with
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: promises of employment, housing, romantic involvement. Once they entered the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: murder castle, they were subjected to a range of horrors.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: I mentioned disphyxiation, I mentioned gas, I had medical experiments.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: He had a morbid fascination with the human body. Some
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: of his victims were subjected to medical experiments before being killed.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: He would use his dissecting table in the basement to
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: perform these procedures, and then for disposing. I mentioned a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: couple of these, but he would either burn them in
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: the basement crematorium, dissolve them in acid bats. Like I said,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: he would strip the flesh using the quick lime pits,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: And like I said, he sold the skeletons medical schools, hospitals.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: He also had connections in the medical community which allowed
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: him to profit from this. So I at a certain point,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: you'd think they'd ask him, like, where are you coming
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: across all these herman, I mean.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: H You would think, I mean WOWSA.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: So several of his victims have been identified, though the
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: true number is uncertain. He had he had eventually he
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: I believe he had confessed to twenty six or twenty seven.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: The reason why, the reason why this number is questioned
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: so much is that there were a couple people that
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: he had said he killed that were actually live and well, so.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they were on his list kill and he
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: just hadn't gotten to him and he forgot he hadn't
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: gotten them.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's that's very possible. But there are some that
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: have been identified, some of the more notable ones because
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: the list forever, I don't want to say I don't.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: I hate saying more some of them more notable because
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: that implies that the other ones are not and they're
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: just important. I just don't have all the time in
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: the world. But Julius Smythe and Pearl Connor. Julia was
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: Holmes's mistress and worked at his pharmacy after her husband
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: disappeared under mysterious circumstances. Julie and her daughter Pearl vanished
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: as well. Holmes later admitted to their murders, though their
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: bodies were never found. Emiline, I want to say sigraned.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Emiline was a stenographer who worked for Holmes. She disappeared
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: December in eighteen ninety two. Her remains were never conclusively identified,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: but she is believed to have been another victim of
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: his experiments. Minnie and Nanny Williams. I love the names.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: There are names like late eighteen hundreds, names anymore Minianny.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Minnie was Willheminie, Minnie Williams. Her name
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: was will Herminia. However you say that, but she went
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: by Many.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: That's right, Bilhelminia. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, correct, thank you,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: thank you. Sorry.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: I just like the name will Filminia.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one of my best friends. That's that's her name,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: and it's awesome. Holmes courted Many, a wealthy Texas heiress,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: and convinced her to transfer the deed of her property
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: to him. Both Many and her sister Nanny were later murdered,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: their bodies disposed of in the castle's basement. This that's
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: a theme. That's a theme with Holmes.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: I've been not the space at the equipment. It worked before.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Why change it. If it's not broken, don't fix it.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: True, it's true. So so when I was recording some
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: of the trial last night, I tripped on this name.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: But but I believe that the last name is pronounced Pitzell,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: So Benjamin Pittzell and family. It's p I t e
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: z e L. But I think it's I think it's Pitzel.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's I think the e is like
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: silent in the middle. Okay, if that I don't know,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: maybe I'm talking about my butt, which usually I am,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: and that's fair. Holmes business partner, Benny Ben was murdered
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: by Holmes, and we'll talk about that in a second.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: And then Holmes also murdered three of his children as well.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: Well, you will his own children.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, No, Ben's children, Benjamin's.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Children, Oh, Ben's children. Not okay. I thought he was
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: killing his own. I mean, it's bad enough he killed
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: somebody else's.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: But okay, Yeah, So we'll talk about that in a second.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: So his criminal activities did go beyond murder. If you
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: couldn't tell already, he participated lifelong and fraud in deception.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: He had numero scams to fund the operations he had.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Ben Pitzel was a carpenter occasional criminal who became Holmes's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: closest associate. Together, they concocted various schemes, including a plan
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: to fake Pittzell's death to collect on a ten thousand
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: dollars life insurance policy, but Holmes's insurance scam before that happened.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Holmes ended up being imprisoned briefly, and he met somebody
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: named Marion Hedgepeth and Marion. Hedgepeth was a notorious outlaw,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: and so they ended up coming in contact with each other,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: and Holmes promised five hundred dollars in exchange for the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: name of a lawyer who could help him with the
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: massive insurance fraud deal that he was going to do
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: with Ben. Right, you gotta get a lawyer who's crooked
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: who can help you out with that. Now, the deal
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: was that Holmes would fake Pitzell's death collect a ten
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars life insurance policy. But Holmes had no intention
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: of splitting the money. He he was gonna the five
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars he promised to Marion, and then he killed
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: Pitzel by rendering her, rendering him unconscious with chloroform, and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: then setting his body on fire to make it appear
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: as though he had died in a lab explosion. Now
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: here's the here's the banger. So the notorious outlaw hates law,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: especially in late eighteen hundreds. Right. Holmes, of course, never
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: never paid Hedgepeth, not once, uh, and Hedgepeth was pissed.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: So Hedgepeth tipped off the authorities. Hello all right, and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: then that led to an increased scrutiny of what he
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: was doing now. Holmes's downfall began with that murder of
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Ben Pittzell in eighteen ninety four. He took out that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: large life insurance policy. Holmes also took custody. So the
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: idea was they were gonna go away and they were
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: going to do this. Well, when he came back, Pittzell's
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: wife was like, where's Ben because she doesn't know that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: he's dead, and he goes, don't worry, I'm gonna your kids.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: Were gonna get the kids. We're gonna take them to him.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: He's really excited to see them, so let me go
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: ahead and take them. It's something like that, I'm grossly summarizing. Anyways,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: he took custody of them. Well, Howard the youngest started
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: really frustrating him, and so he ended up dispatching of Howard,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: and then Ali and Nelly. Didn't know where Howard went,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: so he ended up dispatching of Alice and Nelly, effectively
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: getting rid of all three of them, leaving his wife alone,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: having lost four family members in a matter of a
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: couple of days. The insurance company, however, became suspicious of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: this whole thing, and they hired the Pinkerton National Detective
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Agency to investigate, and I am I was very interested
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: in this because I wanted to see one if they
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: were still around and two did they do anything of note.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: So I did look into them very briefly. And we'll
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: talk about that for a second. But in November of
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: eighteen ninety four, Holmes was arrested in Boston for the
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: first time on an outstanding warrant for horse theft in Texas,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: and that arrests set off a series of investigations that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: eventually revealed the full extent of his crime. Now, oh,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: let's talk about Pinkerton for a second, shadowy, because I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: hadn't heard of them.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: It sounds what sounds like you have. I never heard
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: of Pinkerton. Okay, maybe it's a Texas thing, but it
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: sounds like somebody else has heard of them. But yeah,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: Pinkerton is still around.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: So Alan Pinkerton, who was a barrel maker who emigrated
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: from Scotland, founded this Pinkerton National Detective Agency in Chicago.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: His early work in detective services began when he stumbled
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: upon a gang of counterfeitters and provided crucial informational law
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: enforcement showkaing his observational skills investigative talent, His reputation grew,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: and the agency was established. Now During the American Civil War,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: he served as head of the Union Intelligence Service, a
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: forerunner to the Secret Service. His agency provided military intelligence,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: conducted espionage, and even uncovered an assassination plot against President
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Abraham Link In eighteen sixty one, his efforts helped secure
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Lincoln's safe arrival in DC for his inauguration. Where the
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: hell was he just a couple of just a little
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: while later? Have I never seen I haven't a yes, Yeah, okay, listen, listen,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: y'all listen. I get it. Believe me. When I read
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: about it, all the connections were made. I'm just being honest.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: The light bulb went off for him. The light bulb went.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: I don't pretend to know things if I don't know them.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you I don't know, don't. I don't
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: like to fake it. So, Following the Civil War, the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: agency expanded its operations. They tackled a wide range of
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: criminal activities, from tracking down train robbers and outlaws to
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: providing security for railroads and other businesses. Pinkerton agents known
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: as Pinkerton's It's All Making Sense became famous for their
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: relentless pursuit of criminals employing innovative techniques. And they were
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: the ones who who employed They started using undercover work,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: surveillance and you've been they the use of informed microphone,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: So yay for them. They they did a bunch of
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: stuff I have, like some things here. You mentioned Butch Cassidy. Yes,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: they tracked down and apprehended members of Butch Cassidy's Wild
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: Bunch who carried on the Great Train robbery. They coordinated
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: a multi state investigation and used advanced forensic techniques to
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: bring them to justice, which is amazing because I'm telling
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: you right now, good luck trying to get an interstate
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: agency cooperation to do anything. So well done, mister Pinkerton. Okay,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: so they do. Obviously they're still operating Pinkerton Consulting and investigations.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: They do security services, risk management, corporate investigations, crisis management.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: Everything's changed, but their missions pretty much the same. All right.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: So Holmes is arrested. That's where we're at. Holmes is arrested.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: His trial began on October twenty eighth, eighteen ninety five,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He was charged with the murder of
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Benjamin Pittzel. Like I said, the trial attracted considerable media attention,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: and Holmes used the platform to present himself as a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: misunderstood genius. And he was able to do this because well,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: he represented himself in the beginning of the trial. Transcript
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: is a fascinating dialogue between his defense attorneys attempting to leave,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: which is amazing because like one of the first lines is, Judge,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think we've had enough time. We need either
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: an extension of sixty days or ninety days or we're out.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: And the judge was like, well, if you leave, then
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: that you might have to provide cause for not being disbarred.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: So and then, and then, as the thing was going on,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: and everybody can check this out in part one of
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: True Crimes or Trial Crime Stories, which is the new
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: newest video on our channel. But then hh Mudget wouldn't
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: let the lawyers do their job, and he was like,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: you know what, I can do this. So he ended
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: up representing himself, which I had no idea. I had
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: no idea he had represented himself at all. And and
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot on Holmes, so either I fell
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: asleep or it wasn't talked about. I just know it
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: probably probably. But for those of you who haven't seen it,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: that that video is a direct reading of the trial
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: transcript of HH Holmes. There are no jokes. There might
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: be some funny looks to the camera every now and again,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: but it is a direct reading that is recorded on
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: video with the transcript on the screen so that you
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: can read. You can read it with me. I didn't
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: have to do a bunch of you can read it
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: with me. I listen. I'm surprised I made it through
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: an hour and a half last night without making many errors.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: So you did amazing last night. Anybody just heard just that,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: they're going to be like, what was he doing so
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: amazing last night? If they hear that out.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Of context, feel free to isolate that one line. Okay,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: So in the beginning, let's see, they didn't think so.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: So again, those lawyers, his lawyers didn't think they had
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: enough time to be ready for four murders. They wanted
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: to initially charge homes with Benjamin and his kids. Actually
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: refuse to let them do anything, like I said, and uh,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: he ended up questioning the jury to select the jury
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: and uh in the first. In the first in the
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: first video, we get through the entire jury selection. So
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: we'll start with the trial in the next in part
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: two next week. Also, if you're a member of the Courtyard,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: I do those live. I record those live on the
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Courtyard and then I post the videos on YouTube here
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: on this channel. So become a member of the Courtyard
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: and you can watch me do that. You can watch
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: the behind the scenes of that live, which is a
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: lot of fun.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: So where to get the Courtyard?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, can one of the mods pop the Courtyard
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: command in the chat? That would be fantasmic. So they'll
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: they'll do that and then so there it is, thanks Lama.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Despite his attempts to term the jury, as you can
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: well imagine, the evidence against him was overwhelming. The prosecution
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: presented detailed evidence of his fraud schemes, his multiple marriages,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: gruesome discoveries, and the murder Castle. Testimonies from various witnesses,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: including law enforcement officers and surviving victims, painted a picture
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: of Holmes as a remorseless killer driven by greed and
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: a perverse curiosity. Holmes was found guilty of first degree
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: by the way he was only he was only charged
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: and tried for one, not more. They didn't call him
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: back for more one just wow. Yeah. And so he
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: was found guilty of first degree murder November fourth, eighteen
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: ninety five, and he was sentenced to death because that
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: was first degree murder in Chicago at the time. In prison,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: he penned a memoir in which he confessed to twenty
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: seven murders, like I had mentioned, though some of those
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: confessions were likely exexaggerated or fabricated. His true victim count
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: remains unknown, though news all these estimates range from twenty
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: to over two hundred. Okay, who knows. No, they didn't.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: They didn't try the kids because the lawyers said, we're leaving,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: if we're heading out, if if you, we don't have
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: enough time to prepare for all four. So I think
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: they ended up reducing it to just trying the one.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: That's the conclusion I'm coming to based off of what
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: we've read so far. So again, on May seventh, eighteen
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: ninety six, H. H. Holmes was executed by hanging at
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Moyemensing Prison in Philadelphia. His execution was not without drama,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: though the first attempt to hang him failed and eventually
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: and It took over fifteen minutes for him to be
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: pronounced dead.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 8: Oh sorry, not sorry, sorry for him.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: His request in terms of burial was that he would
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: be buried in an unmarked grave and that it would
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: be encased in concrete. Here's the kicker why because he
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: was afraid of grave robbers.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: He was scared somebody would steal his body.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Of course he was, so his criminal activities in Chicago
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: paint a portrait of a deeply disturbed individual whose charm
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: and intelligence masked this monstrous nature that he had. The
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: murder castle, with its macob design hidden horror, stands as
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: a testament to how twisted he really was. Now, his
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: ability to evade suspicion for so long underscores the dangerous
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: allure of charismatic psychopaths and the importance of vigilance at
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: all times. And it's a reminder of the depths of
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: human depravity. And we're still talking about it to this day,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: over one hundred years later, on twenty years later, almost
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: somewhere in there math who knows, And I just I think,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: instead of ef it, I'm going to start saying mudget
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: and we're just gonna make it a thing, you know,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: you know, Mudge you it just seems to have a
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: ring to it.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: So it does a ring.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: And I know, I know that this is a gross summary,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: but there is not enough time to cover all the things.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: So if you want to hear more about it, like
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: I said, the video of the first parts on our
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: channel and then we'll be really I'll be trying the
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: best I can to release one every week traditionally Thursday morning,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: unless you're in the courtyard and you can watch it
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: recorded live the day before, the night before. So there's
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: h h Holmes for you.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: What a dicky and not a good dick? Give that
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: did not come out the way I meant it to be.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: But exactly the way you meant it.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: I don't like his name, and now I have to
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: I mean double h hh.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 8: I'm like, oh yeah, sorry to do that to you,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 8: but I mean fun role play.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't want mess can scratch stretched.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: No, I'm good, I'm walking away. That was dar right now.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: That was dark.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: That was dark. I knew nothing about him until last night.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: I've had too many nikes. He didn't and he didn't
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: serve a cool name. I think we should do a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: petition to give him a different name, fuck face. I
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: like fuck face. I like fuck face. Well that was dark,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: it was good, and I'm glad to watch the video
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: because I didn't get to finish it last night. It
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: does not Double H doesn't.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: Can we can we please? Can we please? Please? Make
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: that the Halloween costume this year? Double hlemen. He had
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: a little porn stash back when he was in college,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: A little porn stash.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: You know what. I will grab a picture from one
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: of his fraternity dances and I will share it on
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: our next live. I am writing myself a note right now,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: picture DOUBLEH mustache.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Our next live is going to be in Denver.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: Oh that's right, we will be together.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Yes, Now, are you going to be Minni or Nanny?
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: That's that's the question.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: Well, since I'm a Disney fan, I'm gonna have to
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: go with Minnie. What boy hah? Hi meanie, I will
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: have to be Manny. So well, this is dark in
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: a different kind of way. And when I say that,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: everything I've read said it's one of the first cases
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 3: that this became an issue. So I'm going to start
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: off by saying, we all do dumb stuff when we
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: are teenagers, Okay, and sometimes it carries on into your
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: early twenties. For some people it carries on even longer.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: But I could say, that's right, I've never done anything
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: this dumb, and I truly hope most people would say
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: they've never even considered doing it, because sadly, it's more
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: than just dumb. It's horrific. It's haric.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say me, but no.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no no no, no no no, because I would
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: have to hide your body. But no, I probably wouldn't
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: hide your body. I would just hang you up, let
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: them take you out. So on February twenty seventh, twenty sixteen,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: so not too long ago. Marina Lonina age eighteen now.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Her dad came over from Russia when she was a
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: small girl. But why are you laughing? JT?
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: Because all I can think of is, can you say
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: the name again?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Marina Lonina.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Fiveina Marina. That's all I can make, all I can
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: think of. Please tell me that's not the victim? Is
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: that the victim?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: It's not?
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: No?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Okay's I feel better now? Okay? Good? So?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: And her friend yes, and I'm gonna call her friend
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: Jane okay because her name was not released because she
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: was a minor. The two were friends. They met up
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: with a twenty nine year old at the mall. Okay,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: and I'm gonna stop you right there. Please tell me
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: why am the hell a twenty nine year old man
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: is meeting up with an eighteen year old and a
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: seventeen year old and buying them vodka?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Okay? Well you added that, so am I just old?
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: But I don't know, but that just bothers me. But
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: Marina and Jane met Raymond together on February twenty sixth
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: at the local mall, where he proceeded to buy them vodka,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: and he invited them to hang out the next day
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: at his home, which, guys, I remember being that agey party.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: Let's go, and they did. Okay, I hope nowadays seventeen
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: and eighteen year old girls would be like red flag,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: red flag, red flag, you know. But they went, and
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: we're not gonna shame them because I would have done
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: it too. And they went. The next day, the three
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: were drinking and hanging out at Raymond's house, where he
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: began sexually assaulting Jane and Marina the dumbass started live
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: streaming the assault on periscope. She was one of the
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: first cases to come to law enforcement where she live
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: streamed at guys. Now, she got caught because a friend
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: of hers called the police after it was over. So
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: maybe they watched it later. They didn't see it live,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: they watched it later, I'm not sure, but they called.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: Jane was still assaulted, okay, and Marina and Raymond were
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: both arrested. Okay. Marina was arrested on March twenty sixteen.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: She was charged with kidnapping, rape, sexual battery, obstructing justice,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: pandering a minor sexual and pandering minor nudity. Okay, now
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: this girl, man, she yeah, she just yeah. Anyway, we're
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: gonna keep going. She pled not guilty, Okay. She was
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: let on bond of one hundred and twenty five thousand.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: I mean that is extremely low in my you know,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five thousand for all of.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: That, right, that's ridiculous.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: Now here's what she told police. She livestreamed the attack
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: to keep her friend from being assaulted.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: After the first ten seconds that it doesn't work.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 6: Move on.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: So no, I don't buy it.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I know I'm old and I'm not
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: hip like all you know, these young people. But please
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: tell me how somebody, anyone with half a brain would know.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: You don't grab your cell phone. Oh, let me record
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: this while they're being assaulted. You grab something, you scream,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: you grab the lamp, you do something to try to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: stop it. Right, So I'm gonna call pure bullshit on
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: that excuse, because you don't live stream it. If you
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: think it's gonna keep her from being assaulted, I agree,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: it brought the assault on even farther. I mean, why
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: didn't she called Nie. She had a phone in her hand.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: Why didn't she just call nine one one, right? But
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: forgive me, we all know. I try to be kind,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: but she's lying. She is lying. She also said she
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: just got caught up in all of the likes in
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: people watching it. She just got caught up in the
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: excitement of people liking her video.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: Everybody who hit the like button. She'd also good to jail.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: I agree, I agree. I mean, I don't know, but
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: the prosecutor said, for the most part, it did not
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: appear that Marina tried to help her friend. In fact,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: you can hear her friend, who I'm calling Jane, screaming
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: in the video saying no, it hurts so much, please stop, please, note,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: So I want someone to explain to me why Marina
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: thought filming was helping her friend. Because you're sitting there
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: getting likes and commenting, and your friend is sitting there
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: screaming for help. I personally think she knew exactly what
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: she was doing. She then later told police that she
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: filmed the assault so that it would be evidence, and
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: that she didn't do it to embarrass or shame her friend.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: She did it so that the police would have.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Evidence evidence would be calling the cops to get them
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: over there sooner.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, guys, she didn't just record it, she live
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: streamed it. I mean there's a huge difference, in my opinion.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: If you put your phone where it can record it
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: and you try to grab her and get her out
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: of there, that's recording it for evidence, right live streaming
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: it and interacting with people who are putting likes up.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: And guys, she did not call nine one one or
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: make a police report after the assault concluded she did nothing.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: She did nothing. So prosecutor also told her reporters that
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: the night before she had also live streamed her friend
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 3: the day before who was naked without her friend knowing.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 3: So she got another felony charge for that.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: Now, Marina and Jane are both naturalize US citizens, but
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: they're both from Russia. Okay. And the thing that shocked
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: me was that psychologist said that Marina just got caught
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: up by the likes that she was getting and it
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: made her feel like people liked her. And Guys, I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: have serious issues with that. I just have serious issues.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that she even live streamed it
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: tells me she was trying to get attention and she
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: was an active participant in the assault. Okay. Now, Marina's
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: defense attorney told reporters that Marina is an ordinary teenager,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: comes from a good family who has taken advantage of
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: by a predatory adult. She was innocent. Guys, I'm going
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: to just say, I beg to differ. I don't know
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: any ordinary teenager who would voluntarily live stream a friend
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: being sexually assaulted. An ordinary teenager wouldn't a disturbed teenager, yes,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: but an ordinary teenager. Ordinary is most of the population, right,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: And her attorney went on to say that she is
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: the farthest thing from a rapist and that Raymond was
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: the rapist. She was just the filmographer. I mean, she
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: didn't do anything to try to stop it. She in
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: some ways was egging it on right by live streaming it.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, yes, yeah, oh absolutely, because just as
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: she was getting the likes, he was too.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Yep. Now she was released on bond. She returned to
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: high school to continue as normal. But guys, just a
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: month later, she was arrested at her high school for
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: violating her bond because guess what, guys, she got out
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: on bond. Her bond said she was to have no
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: contact or be around minors, which means she can't go
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: to high school. Right she's a senior, freshman's or minors, sophomores, junior,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: some seniors. So I want to know how am the
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: hell her attorney and her parents thought it was okay
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: for her to go to school, you know. And then
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: her attorney kept telling the media that, oh, she was
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: in the habit of live streaming everything and it was
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: just her normal routine. It's just the way she goes.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, I film this, Oh I film that. He said.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: It was all a normal day for her. So am
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: I so old? Pull ahead to think that it's normal
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: to just film a sexual assault and just think it's
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: like filming your food, Are your dog running around.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: They need to pull her entire album.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: I mean I I yeah. So now here's the other thing.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: Jane was said to be intoxicated in the video, which
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: probably that's what Raymond was hoping, right he gave him
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: vodka the day before. Here's the question I have. Why
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: did Raymond choose to assault Jane instead of Marina? How
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: did he choose?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: I think this goes into that whole question right there.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: That is what I think. I can't help but wonder
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: if Marina set it up?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: The only the other thing that really drove me crazy
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: besides her action was the ongoing rhetoric of her attorney,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: who kept saying, please do not lose track of the
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: fact she is a high school student and she comes
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: from a good family. So he basically wanted us to
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: ignore the fact she intentionally pulled out her phone, opened
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: an app and live streamed her friend being raped. If
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: you got friends like Marina, I'm going to tell you
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: need new friends. Because Marina is a friend like Addison
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: and Matt, she ain't really a friend. That's my opinion.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: You don't like it, come for me. I am so okay, okay,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: I'm okay. Now the thing. That's also interesting. I think
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: it was a setup, right Jane, the victim believes that
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: Marina set up the rape, which Marina denies, but I
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: can't help but think she's right. How did Raymond choose
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: to rape Jane? I guess that.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: How How did just anything to come across a twenty
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: nine year old who wanted to buy them alcohol and
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: take them somewhere?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: And how did he know that Marina wouldn't attack him
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: and try to save her friend? How did he know
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: she was going to pull out a phone? It just
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: is very sus to me, very sus So this is
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: where it gets even more frustrating. She did a plea deal.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: She admitted guilt to one kind of obstructing justice and
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: pandering sexual matter involving a minor, and got nine months
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: in prison.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: No, you don't take plea deals for these crimes. You don't.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: You don't DA and not when you.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: Have that kind of evidence. Right, Raymond, you only got
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: nine years. He is due to get out March thirty first,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. I just need to go on the
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: record and say, if you've got that kind of strong evidence,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: she live streamed it, for God's sake, you've got it
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: all right? Why are you doing plea deals? And why
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: is he only getting nine years? This video? We all
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: know once you put it out on the internet, it
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: cannot be taken down. Jane has to live with this
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: for the rest of our life and how to get
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: past it, so that DA, somebody needs to have a
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: talk because nine months and nine years is not acceptable.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: Somebody needs to have a talk while streaming it?
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how's that justice for a seventeen year
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: old victim? How?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, Okay, it's really it's a it's a it's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: a testament to how little we give a shit about
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: that crime. I mean, it's a testament to the fact
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: that that DA or whomever whatever politics played a part,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: cared so little that they're willing to revictimize Jane over
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: and over and over again.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: There they try to say that charging Marino was hard
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: because it was the first time they had taken a
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: case with live streaming sexual assault. They didn't know how
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: they could charge her because she just live streamed it.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: But that, I mean, if you're driving the getaway car
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: at a robbery, you did the robbery, right, you live
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: streamed the assault, You did the assault so I'm going
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: to tell you I really do not like her. I
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: don't think she learned anything. There is no way nine
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: months could have taught her the lesson she needed to learn.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: In my opinion, she learned that she was inconvenienced for
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: nine months.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: That's what she learned.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm not one hundred percent, but I did find
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 3: someone on social media who looks just like Marina, goes
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: by the same name, the nose is dead on and
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: Google photos when I saved them even said it was
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: the same person you know or that'll say, is this
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: the same person now does social media marketing training, which
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: drives me crazy because if that is truly her, that
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: is so not okay.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Is it on Facebook?
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: Because that checks out Instagram. I won't share the picture
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: and the info here, but I will just you, guys,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you can find it. You just type in
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: her name and you can find.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: It just Facebook the first result.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: So, but Raymond gets out of prison next year, and
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: hopefully Jane has gotten the help she needs and she
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: found justice for herself and realizes that she did nothing wrong.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: She had a friend that wasn't a true friend, and
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: I hope Raymond got his in prison.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's my case. That was a very different
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: dark she does. She needs to have her phone taken
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: away and set in a corner.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Why did they not make her where she couldn't be
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: on social media for this many years? They do it
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: for other people. If she is truly that person that
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: now is doing teaching people how to use social media marketing.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: If that is truly her, she learned how to do
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: what she's making money on from what she did, and
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: that should not be okay.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: No not yeah.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: So and whoever did the plea deal with her really
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: needs to I mean, I get we do plea deals,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: especially if you don't have a lot of evidence. You
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: had it live streamed, you had the evidence, she admitted
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: she did it. Why would you plead deal? Why would
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: you plead this down? She could have gotten life and
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: instead she got nine months. And if I was Jane,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: I would be it would be hard to realize I
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: was only worth nine months for the person who did this, right,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: That's what I got.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: Told you a start found a class one.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: If you look at that nose and I wasn't sure,
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: but then Google photos said this is the same person,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: and that's disturbing. She's not even trying to go buy
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: a different name. She's not even trying to go buy
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: a different name. Yeah, I watched it. I just don't
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: want to go get sued or anything by saying for
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 3: sure it's her. In my opinion, it looks like her.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: And I will tell you if you're looking for a
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: social media class, do not take her class. Do not
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: give this person any money. She ruined somebody's life.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, although it's free, so there's that.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: Oh well, it's free, but she gets money, oh from
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: clicked and how many people register? Kind of thing.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: She's had twenty two hundred students. M Oh god, this
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: world is something else. It's just it is.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: On a happy note, the next time we are face
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: to face on YouTube, we will be sitting next to
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: each other physically. I might throw up from being so excited. Oh,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: I was like, why are you gonna throw up?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: I saw the face. I know there's a slight delay,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: so I was really excited to see the face as
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: it came across the waves to you.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: Why why you throw up? It'll be a party.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: It is gonna be a party.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 3: It depends, I mean it will it be fun? Oh no,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: we I will have just gotten there, so we won't
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: have spent a night together yet, So I mean we're
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: gonna live stream with them like two hours of me
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: getting there, so we're still gonna be all giddy and
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be drinking hills on the plane.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I really look forward to being there
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: and meeting people. That's the whole point of these things
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: is to meet folks who either listen to you or
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: who who might be interested in listening to you. That
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: the whole point is. I mean, yes, there's gonna be
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: fun in partying and enjoy like in my partying. I mean,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: probably I'll be in bed by eleven, but but maybe
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Uh, but uh, the whole point is
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: to meet people and network and enjoy your time, uh
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: and and give back, you know, to the community. So
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: I look forward to being able to do that for
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: the first time in five years, I know.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: And I'm excited that we'll get some pictures together because
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: I'm bringing my camera, get us some pictures. And I'm
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: is there any other podcast people that are going to
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: be there that you're excited to meet face to face
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: for the first time? Let me besides, and.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: Well, duh, let's see here Oh, Eric carter landin. Eric's
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: going to be there. Eric's with uh, true Consequences.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: True Consequence. Okay, I was going isn't that truth in
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: consequence or something?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: Yes? I mean you guys have hyped up. I think not,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: and I know nothing about them. I'll be honest.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: I I Joey is just yummy, and he's just a
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: good person too.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: I've heard Whining Crimes fun to chat with and hang
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: out with.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: Whining Crime is good. Amanda and Lucy are both great.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: I'm actually bringing a gift for Lucy because she and
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: I both have We both like bones, and so I
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 3: have some bones.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: Autumn from Autumn's I've known her for sometime. Bob Mauda
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: is going to be there with Defense Diaries.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's going to be good.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: I can't think of her name. Dirty John. Tara Newell
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: is going to be there too.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, Tara's Baddie Club is that the podcast?
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: One that.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: She helped Dirty John say goodbye. She removed him from
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: this earth. So it's going to be fun. We're going
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: to celebrate Mike's birthday. He will have just had a birthday.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: A couple of days before we meet up, and then
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: we can celebrate my birthday a weekly.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yay, right.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: So, and I do think I know we're going to
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: do our live stream, but I'm sure that we will
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: just spontaneously do some live streams too.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: I'll have my cell phone. Therefore it will happen.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: Let's six say it will hop bed. So I'm very excited,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: and I think it's going to be great to meet
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: so many people.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to find out who I'm taller than.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: You're not taller than me? How tall are you?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Six foot?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, you are taller than me. I'm only five eleven.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm like six foot on a good day. I'm
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: five eleven and a half other days, So it just depends.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't know you were five eleven. I'm gonna love this.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: This is great. We're gonna walk in Unison together everywhere, and.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: Then when I wear my three inch.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: Heels, I will appreciate being my.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: DEVILEH calls me his Christie. He's my Billy Joel. I
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: miss Christie.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: You and I are like the tallest people on the
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: staff at true Crumb and Wine time. We are. Yeah,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: there's there's Sam. Sam said she's five foot four, which
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: ask for ques I don't have heels. I don't know
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 2: where to get them. I don't have them.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: I can send you links or one more together. I
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 3: can show you where to get them. I know where
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: the queens get them.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: I would totally buy a pair.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: I'm excited. What do you have? I will be back
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: on Monday. You do you have a Hey Ho tomorrow?
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: He hey Ho tomorrow? Okay, Nope, we do have We
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: do have night Court on Monday, Okay, and then uh,
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: let's see next week. Night Court is Monday. I'll do
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: the live reading on Courtyard on Wednesday, and then hey
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: hose show will be on Friday. Ok you have midday
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: missing Monday and Wednesday, Yes, and then we will announce
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: it from there.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Thursday is a holiday next week, so.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: It sure is. Oh that's right. I might need to
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: rethink my recording time with Brew Crime. Although Mike's in Canada,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: so it's not the same. It's not the same, correct,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: h Ay. I mean you know how they ended up
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: spelling Canada right.
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: Now?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: They were talking about the spelling and somebody said c
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: A N A d A and there it is Canada
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: and on that note thank you all so much for
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: tuning into TCWT Live. We appreciate you so so very
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: very much. I will sign off by saying, take care
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: of yourself, your friends, your family, community, don't let anybody
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: doll your sparkle and shine on you crazy diamonds over
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: to you, Terry.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: And as always I tell you to stay safe, watch
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: out for crime, and enjoy your wine time.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: Until next time, Bye everybody
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: And the bish