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4/14/26: Trump Deletes Jesus Self Portait, Hungary PM Defeated, Sam Altman Home Attack, 9/11 Widow Speaks Out · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Saga and Crystal here.
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  Speaker 4: Donald Trump posted a truth social image that had Christians
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  Speaker 4: around the country furious yesterday. So this was posted I
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  Speaker 4: think he actually posted it technically Sunday night, but he
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  Speaker 4: deleted this post that you see on the screen here
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  Speaker 4: portraying himself as arguably Jesus. A lot of Christians saw
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  Speaker 4: this and said, oh, he's clearly portraying himself as Jesus,
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  Speaker 4: and he's wearing like flowing white robes in a way
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  Speaker 4: that Jesus is often depicted. He is if you're listening
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  Speaker 4: to this, he has his right hand on the forehead
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  Speaker 4: of a sick man with light bursting out from his
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  Speaker 4: hand and the man's forehead. He has an orb of
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  Speaker 4: light in his other hand. So clearly this is Trump
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  Speaker 4: with supernatural healing powers in a very christ Like depiction.
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  Speaker 4: There's no question about. There's a woman next to the
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  Speaker 4: sick man praying. So it's fairly reasonable that people would
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  Speaker 4: look at this image and say that looks like Jesus.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that was I mean, did you look
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  Speaker 4: at it and think that obvious?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, what are we doing here? So obviously obviously Jesus.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even Christian. You tell me, Oh yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's any reasonable person supposed to do this otherwise.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean
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  Speaker 4: it seems pretty obvious.
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  Speaker 1: That's where his robes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, and many depictions and many depictions, and that's
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  Speaker 4: obviously where this is going. You have people in the sky,
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  Speaker 4: like clearly it's a depiction of Heaven over Trump and
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  Speaker 4: he's yes. So again, can we say it with one
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  Speaker 4: hundred percent certainty that Donald Trump was intentionally posting a
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  Speaker 4: picture of himself as Jesus. Maybe not one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 4: but maybe ninety eight percent maybe ninety nine percent certainty
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  Speaker 4: on that point. So Christians are furious about it, and
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  Speaker 4: Trump actually deleted the image. Worth noting he posted it
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  Speaker 4: an Orthodox Easter, coming after his Easter open the fucking
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  Speaker 4: straight you crazy bastards post the week before and actually
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  Speaker 4: deleted this suger, which is for Trump, very unusual, remarkable.
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  Speaker 4: He came out and I'm gonna skip ahead here just
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  Speaker 4: so people have the table set for he how he
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  Speaker 4: responded to this, So midday yesterday, so around twelve thirty pm,
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  Speaker 4: he gets asked, in front of the aforementioned door dash driver,
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  Speaker 4: did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ?
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  Speaker 4: And this is after he's already deleted it. Here's what
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  Speaker 4: Trump says, This is going to be C.
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  Speaker 5: Five that picture of yourself he did Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it wasn't a picture.
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  Speaker 7: It was me.
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  Speaker 6: I did fust it, and I thought it was me
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  Speaker 6: as a doctor and.
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  Speaker 7: Had to do with the Red Cross as a Red
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  Speaker 7: Cross worker there, which we support, and only the fake
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  Speaker 7: news could come up with that one.
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  Speaker 5: So I.
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  Speaker 6: Just heard about it and I said, how did they
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  Speaker 6: come up with that? It's supposed to be me as
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  Speaker 6: a doctor making people better, and I do.
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  Speaker 7: Make people better.
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  Speaker 8: I make people a lot better.
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  Speaker 6: As an example, the eleven thousand, I understand your husband's
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  Speaker 6: going through a.
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  Speaker 5: Treatment, Yes, sir, Yes, sir, He's going to do some.
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  Speaker 7: Very serious cancer treatment. So yes, this goes a long way.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, sir, it sure.
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  Speaker 4: Does, Sager. Only fake news could have come up with
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  Speaker 4: that one.
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  Speaker 3: The fake news could have come up with the fact
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  Speaker 3: that he depicted himself as Jesus, so much so that
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  Speaker 3: he deleted it. By the way, so if you really
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  Speaker 3: believed that he would have kept it up. I thought,
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  Speaker 3: if you really believed he was a healing.
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  Speaker 4: Part of me believe part of me thinks here that
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  Speaker 4: people in the White House were really upset with him.
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  Speaker 4: Oh really yeah, maybe it's like pushed him to be
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  Speaker 4: like I think that's not unreasonable that there are people
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  Speaker 4: inside of his own circles that were like, mister President,
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  Speaker 4: this one actually looks a lot like Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: I think that people call maybe you're right, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: but look, I mean a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: This, you know, kind of stems from and I'm going to.
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  Speaker 3: Let you take over this part, but there has been
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  Speaker 3: a lot of idolatry over Donald Trump from a lot
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  Speaker 3: of his spiritual advisors, people like Paula White and others,
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  Speaker 3: which you know, you can listen to Tucker about that one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not an eschatological expert, but it is interesting to me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in the way that they try to portray
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  Speaker 3: him or make him feel as if he is a
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  Speaker 3: messianic figure, which is why maybe that he's posting these
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  Speaker 3: types of images. Yeah, and it fits, you know when
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  Speaker 3: we think back to Tucker's accusation that he didn't put
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  Speaker 3: his hand on the Bible whenever he took the oath
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  Speaker 3: of office and others.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to let you cook on that one.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm talking about, well, so let's put C two
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  Speaker 4: up on the screen. This was another part of the discourse.
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  Speaker 4: If it's actually very odd, I will admit this is
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  Speaker 4: very odd. So in the original image, which was actually
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  Speaker 4: taken from Nick Adams like a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, what Trump is doing is just probably
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  Speaker 4: scrolling through truth social finding memes that he likes and
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  Speaker 4: reposting them or asking his staff to repost them. But
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  Speaker 4: what's really odd is that the original image had been
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  Speaker 4: altered in one fascinating way. You can see this up
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  Speaker 4: on your screen, the soldiers in Heaven over Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 4: Quite a sentence in the image that was first posted
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  Speaker 4: by Nick Adams, it's soldiers in heaven in this like circle.
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  Speaker 1: Of light, beam of light.
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  Speaker 4: In the new image, it looks almost like some type
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  Speaker 4: of they're not soldiers. The one in the middle is
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  Speaker 4: some type of like mythical creature that people were saying
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  Speaker 4: looks demonic.
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  Speaker 1: Well what do you think?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm you know, okay, let me put on my
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  Speaker 3: my non thinking it's a demon brain. So I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: at soldiers which have just been photoshopped and changed. I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at what kind of looks maybe maybe like the
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  Speaker 3: statue of Liberty with wings and two different arms. That's
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  Speaker 3: about as far as I could get, which is not
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  Speaker 3: demand now instantly if I look at that, that's demotic, right,
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  Speaker 3: or it looks like some Lord of the Ring like
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  Speaker 3: Saarron or something from the Lord of the Ring, which
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  Speaker 3: I think is isn't Tolkien. He was super Christian, right,
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  Speaker 3: so Sarn was supposed to be. So it all fits. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's been something that's garbled in the AI what like, Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I want to know what how we got from the
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  Speaker 3: to the output.
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  Speaker 1: What's the instruction that you put in? It's cheers the image.
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  Speaker 4: And nobody noticed it. And obviously, I mean the story
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  Speaker 4: behind this is probably actually genuinely interesting, but nobody was
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  Speaker 4: wrong to look at this and be like, what on
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  Speaker 4: earth is the press doing in the middle of a
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  Speaker 4: war where there are eschatological fights from millenarians in all camps. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: so that is just, I mean, well worth dwelling on
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  Speaker 4: for the people who did so the backlash we can
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  Speaker 4: put up on the screen. C three started on true
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  Speaker 4: social right away, all kinds of people responding, you are sick.
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  Speaker 4: I've never regretted a vote more idolagry, pride and false worship.
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  Speaker 4: This is absolutely terrible. You are mocking Jesus all caps.
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  Speaker 4: You think your God, but the truth is your possessed,
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  Speaker 4: sacrilegious and preposterous. That's just a sample of the posts
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  Speaker 4: from True Social that was also actually pulled by the
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  Speaker 4: Headquarters x account, which is the old Kamala Harris campaign account.
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  Speaker 4: But C four is where it hitds closer to home
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  Speaker 4: for Donald Trump. This is responses from prominent evangelical conservatives.
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  Speaker 4: So Alibathstucky says that image is what happens when PAULA.
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  Speaker 4: White is your personal pastor and people around you are
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  Speaker 4: continually comparing you to Christ. Trump desperately needs to understand
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  Speaker 4: the bad news that precedes the good news. You are
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  Speaker 4: a helpless center and desperate need of a savior, as
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  Speaker 4: we all once were. And Paul White has compared Trump
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  Speaker 4: to Jesus, that they both underwent suffering, etc. Just completely
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  Speaker 4: idolatrous and heretical type language. Megan Basham says, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if the President thought he was being funny, or
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  Speaker 4: if he is under the influence of some substance, or
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  Speaker 4: what possible explanation he could have for this outrageous blasphemy,
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  Speaker 4: but he needs to take this down immediately and ask
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  Speaker 4: for forgiveness from the American people and then from God.
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  Speaker 4: Prominent Catholics were upset about this. We're going to get
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  Speaker 4: to that in a moment, because Trump is also going
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  Speaker 4: after the Pope. He was fighting a war on multiple
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  Speaker 4: fronts yesterday, to say the very least, but he was
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  Speaker 4: getting it from not just evangelical as Catholics as well.
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  Speaker 4: And I have to say, Sagar, Donald Trump, going back
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  Speaker 4: to what twenty fifteen, I remember at one point He
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  Speaker 4: talked about having his little wine and his little cracker,
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  Speaker 4: like he's been doing this for a decade. He's just
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  Speaker 4: to me that there was shock, like moral shock in
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  Speaker 4: Christian circles was bizarre over Trump, Like, do I think
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  Speaker 4: it's good he took it down? Yeah, I think it's
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  Speaker 4: good he took it down. But these are my expectations
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  Speaker 4: for Donald Trump. Are not as though he's going to
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  Speaker 4: act like as some type of paragon of Christian virtue
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  Speaker 4: on a daily basis at all. I mean, he clearly
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  Speaker 4: has a narcissistic complex complex. He barely goes to church.
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  Speaker 4: He's not like a practicing Christian. He doesn't ask God
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  Speaker 4: for forgiveness. He said at Charlie Kirk's funeral, he actually
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  Speaker 4: hates his enemies. He's said that multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: He did say that.
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  Speaker 4: I remember that. So again, like I just of course
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  Speaker 4: he's doing this. Of course he's doing this.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why I mean, I find they're freak out
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  Speaker 3: very bizarre. I also think there is a certain type
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  Speaker 3: of person out there who is more upset about this
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  Speaker 3: image than they were about him saying that he was
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  Speaker 3: going to wipe out an entire civilization overnight, or they could.
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  Speaker 4: About the civilization.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were like, oh, well, that one's fine,
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  Speaker 3: and you know or what they say it? Oh what
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  Speaker 3: do they say that? They'll say stuff like what was it? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's just how he talks. I'm like, okay, well, same thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, you guys made a deal with a completely
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  Speaker 3: irreligious part. I don't even think that's a wrong bet.
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  Speaker 3: It was probably the great right bet whenever it comes
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  Speaker 3: to like what they wanted ultimately out of the government,
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  Speaker 3: which was Roe versus wad you want?
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  Speaker 1: So what are you complaining about?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's what Trump and then would say
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  Speaker 1: to them too.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's just mockery, like the fact that you know,
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  Speaker 3: like the literal like mockery as in, I'm bigger than
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  Speaker 3: all of you, and he's making it a little bit
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  Speaker 3: too overt with the Easter message and with this, And
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  Speaker 3: if you think those two things together, I could see
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  Speaker 3: like why now might be kind of a breaking point,
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  Speaker 3: you know, if you will. But I found the you know,
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  Speaker 3: upset about it very bizarre in that it's okay, like
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  Speaker 3: we're about to talk about the pope. I can't believe
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  Speaker 3: Trump is fighting with the pope. Been around so long
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  Speaker 3: I remember when he fought with the last Pope. Do
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  Speaker 3: I literally remember that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember when he photoshopped himself into the pope?
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  Speaker 4: Photoshopping himself into that?
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  Speaker 1: I know this was last year. I know, I exactly.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I'm like, so this, like why now is
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  Speaker 3: this supposed to be like a great, big thing over
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  Speaker 3: Trump and Jesus? I mean maybe again, it's on the
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  Speaker 3: eve of the Eastern Message, which a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: were or after the Eastern Message, which a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people were upset about that, Like people were genuine they
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  Speaker 3: should have been. Yeah, I agree, they should have been upset.
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  Speaker 3: But again, if you know, if you're a religious person,
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  Speaker 3: there's mountains of stuff that he's done before, which rates
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  Speaker 3: at the same level if you ask me, which was
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  Speaker 3: always like, oh he's joking and all, look.
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  Speaker 1: You know, who am I to talk?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 3: I also had my guy, you come to your own
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  Speaker 3: realization like at different points, and that's fine, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I did find it kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Well for the last yeah, ten years that's been there's
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  Speaker 4: been this evangelical idea that Trump is Cyrus the great
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  Speaker 4: that he is, or that he is this flawed figure
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  Speaker 4: that can still bring about good that he is. You know,
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  Speaker 4: this this man of history. You constantly hear that being
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  Speaker 4: tossed around. Who is who is? Ultimately though he's flawed,
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  Speaker 4: though he is, you know, maybe not an actual Christian
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  Speaker 4: is going to help Christians the plan the bigger picture.
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  Speaker 4: So that depends not on him being good though, right Like,
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  Speaker 4: that's not him being like those moral paragrins. So there
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  Speaker 4: still shouldn't be shocked. I mean, I'm all for people
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  Speaker 4: holding Trump to account, Like I think Alibus's tweet was
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  Speaker 4: fantastic if though you were still surprised and shocked by this,
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  Speaker 4: which I think that's those reactions. I was like, what
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  Speaker 4: are we doing? Like he has been like this forever.
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  Speaker 4: But to your point about Tucker, that is really important
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  Speaker 4: that are there Christians who have had a moral reckoning
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  Speaker 4: in the last couple of months, let alone the last
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  Speaker 4: several years. Yes, there are. How significant of a portion
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  Speaker 4: of the Republican electorate is that it's probably more significant
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  Speaker 4: among swing voters, but it's not an insignificant amount of
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  Speaker 4: Republicans either that are starting to I wrote about this
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  Speaker 4: last week with Tucker. He was questioning really the higher
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  Speaker 4: post World War two quote Christian West order that has
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  Speaker 4: allowed for, under the name of benevolence and civilization, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of destruction and more horror. And once that seal breaks,
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  Speaker 4: you will have movement. And again I'm not saying it's
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  Speaker 4: going to be everyone, but I do think part of it,
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  Speaker 4: Soccer probably is because some evangelicals right now are in
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  Speaker 4: the midst of feeling like they have been abused by
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  Speaker 4: leaders who have led them down this prim road, Primrose
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  Speaker 4: pass path, and they look at what's happened through the
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  Speaker 4: United States's wars to civilians, or they look at Cuba
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  Speaker 4: and they.
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  Speaker 1: Say, I do you feel like Israel was a big brain?
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  Speaker 4: Totally?
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  Speaker 7: It really was.
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  Speaker 3: Because you could hear what's the woman's name, what's her name,
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  Speaker 3: Carrie I appreciation, Yeah, right, Like that was obviously like
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  Speaker 3: she was deeply affected by that. Yeah, she's very Catholic,
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  Speaker 3: but she was kicked off of the Religious Liberty Commission
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  Speaker 3: as a result of it. I do think, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it is fascinating to me. Again, I'm in an ousehe observer.
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea, but it does seem from what
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  Speaker 3: I understand that very similar of the Gen Z millennials
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  Speaker 3: split from boomers on Israel it's the same thing in
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  Speaker 3: the evangelical community. Even for people who are very religious evangelicals,
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  Speaker 3: they feel like the Mike Huckabee thing is a total heresy.
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  Speaker 3: They're like completely against all this dispensationalism.
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  Speaker 1: And again these are people who are which.
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  Speaker 4: Was not the same very Christian in the nineteen nineties
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  Speaker 4: and early two thousands, that was not the same right,
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  Speaker 4: and now younger evangelicals aren't really dispensationalists, and so they
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  Speaker 4: look at kind of boomer dispensationalists, They're like, what the
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: hell are the political ramifications of this and are finally
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  Speaker 4: questioning like the foundations of it. So just last point
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  Speaker 4: is after the Cold War, the anti communist center in
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: the West of the right and the left coalesced around
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  Speaker 4: opposing communism, literally under the banner of opposing communism, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that prevented a lot of people from asking
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: sort of first principle types of questions because it was
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  Speaker 4: it was much more obvious than and when you have
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  Speaker 4: kids diving under their desks during nuclear deal drills. To
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  Speaker 4: the American public, they felt much more comfortable about good
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  Speaker 4: and bad, and that papered over a lot of bad
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  Speaker 4: from the West. In recent decades. That's now sort of
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  Speaker 4: I think people are reckoning.
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  Speaker 3: With there you go, all right, we have Saaba MARII
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  Speaker 3: standing by. It's gonna talk to us about the pope.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get to it. Joining us now is front of
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  Speaker 3: the show. Saraba Mari is the US editor of Unheard Sara.
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  Speaker 3: But it's good see you again. Thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 8: Good to be with you guys.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so Star, we are a resident Catholic who
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: we turned to for Catholic expertise here and of course
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: we had to call you in for this one, not
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  Speaker 3: only for Hungary. Let's put this up here on the screen.
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  Speaker 3: Here we had a truth social post from the president.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Pope Leo is weak on crime and terrible for foreign policy.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: He talks about the fear of the Trump administration, but
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  Speaker 3: doesn't mention the fear that the Catholic Church and all
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  Speaker 3: Christian organizations had during COVID. He goes on for quite
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  Speaker 3: some time. He says, I don't want a pope who
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  Speaker 3: thinks it's okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want a pope who thinks it's terrible that
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  Speaker 3: America attacked Venezuela, a country that's sending massive amounts of
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  Speaker 3: drugs in the US, and on and on. Quite a
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  Speaker 3: bit of criticism here from the president to the Pope.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: You know, what do you can you can you maybe
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: break this down in terms of historical context. How common
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: is it here for the Vatican and for the president,
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: especially a Vatican being led by an American citizen, to
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: be openly in a feud with the President of the
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: United States.
• 16:28
  Speaker 8: Well, look, in the nineteenth century, this country had a
• 16:32
  Speaker 8: tradition of anti Catholicism where it was quite routine.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 16:35
  Speaker 8: You you look at the letters of various Jacksonians and
• 16:40
  Speaker 8: Jackson himself, and it was just common to speak ill
• 16:44
  Speaker 8: of all things Romish and pap and Papists. But in
• 16:49
  Speaker 8: the modern era this is unprecedented. And even in the
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: nineteenth century and it didn't have this kind of deranged
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: aspect that this truth social post had a lot of
• 17:00
  Speaker 8: people focused on this line. And I can't help but
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: want to talk about it as well. Which is the
• 17:04
  Speaker 8: opening where he said. The first thing he says is
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: Pope Leo is weak on crime. And it makes is
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: he supposed to be a tough on crime pope like
• 17:16
  Speaker 8: you know, and I think it's kind of it is indicative,
• 17:21
  Speaker 8: I think of a kind of dementia, because I think
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: the President has this grab bag of insults and he
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: kind of gets confused about which ones to fling at,
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: which target, polemical target. So Week on Crime and conchas
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: On is week on crime? Like remember something from the eighties,
• 17:40
  Speaker 8: you know, where it was like Dave Dinkins is Week
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: on Crime and they said no, no, no, it's foreign policy.
• 17:45
  Speaker 8: Pope is Week on foreign Policy. Barack was saying Obama,
• 17:48
  Speaker 8: you know. But in all serious it sets up such
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: a sharp contrast between you know, if you look at
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: the statements of the Holy See in general and the
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: Holy Father himself speaking from within this tradition, whether you
• 18:03
  Speaker 8: agree with the theologically or not about just war and
• 18:07
  Speaker 8: when is it appropriate to go to war and what
• 18:09
  Speaker 8: sorts of statesman statements are appropriate in wartime versus this
• 18:15
  Speaker 8: kind of lashing out which I think is happening. Really
• 18:19
  Speaker 8: it's not about the Pope, it's about the war. The
• 18:21
  Speaker 8: war is going badly. President is still in Iran's vicecript,
• 18:27
  Speaker 8: I think, and so he's lashing out at whoever he can,
• 18:30
  Speaker 8: you know, who he can get his hands on. Kind
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: of and just sort of randomly throwing out these kinds
• 18:37
  Speaker 8: of statements. But it's really really damaging. Obviously, it's very
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: damned because the Pope is a very overwhelmingly popular figure.
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: I saw Harry Anton on CNN put up the spreads.
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: He's like, the Pope is at plus thirty four, the
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: President is at the negative whatever twelve. And outside this
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: core maga, including Catholics who will just go along with
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: whatever the President says, there are lots and lots of
• 19:04
  Speaker 8: you know, working and middle class Americans who are Catholic,
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: from Pace to places like Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 8: places that matter an election time, who would be offended
• 19:15
  Speaker 8: by insults of the Pope, even if they themselves might
• 19:18
  Speaker 8: not agree with everything that Pope says.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so Trump doubled down on this yesterday. So
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: let's go ahead and roll the table. Get your reaction
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: on the other side. So, Rob, this is C seven Aaron's.
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: Work, you and your hology, creating you for defending religious
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: freedowns Oho.
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: And no, I don't because Popolio said things that are well,
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: he was very much against what I'm doing with with
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: regard to Iran.
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: And you cannot have a nuclear ran.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: Popolio would not be happy with the end result. You
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: have hundreds of millions of people dead and it's not
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: going to happen.
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: So I can't.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: I think he's very weak on crime and other things.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: So I'm not I mean, he went probably, I'm just
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: responding to Pope Leo. And you know his brother is
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: a big maga person and he's a great guy, Lewis,
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: And I said, I like Lewis better than.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: I like the Pope.
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: Now, you have to have a law.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: And order in our country, and and that's what we
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: have now.
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: We have the lowest crime numbers we've had in a
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: long time.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: We believe strongly in law and order, and he seemed
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: to have a problem with that.
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: So there's nothing to apologize. Well, he's wrong.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: And the other thing is he didn't like what we're
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: doing with respect to Iran. But Iran is a wants
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: to be a nuclear nation so they can exterminate the world.
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: Not going to happen.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Something else, And so I'm just to quickly ask, yeah,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: one question.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: On this, how is the go ahead? Well, how's the
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: pope against law and order? I don't even understand that.
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: It's a bizarre he's probably talking about immigration.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was assuming this is about immigration, And actually
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: that was what I was going to follow up to you, is,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean, how should we feel like, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: the pope as a view on immigration is the pope.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: That's fine, But we have an you know, American system,
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: we're supposed to have separation of church and state. And
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you also have some Catholics here who are actually defending
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: the president over the Pope. What do you make of
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: that whole dynamic, especially considering it's it is a genuine
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: domestic political issue.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: Yes, so I think on immigration, it's it's odd to
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: frame it as he's weak on crime.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: The Church teaches that obviously all people, including people who
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: are choosing to move across borders, deserve basic human dignity
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: and how they're treated. At the same time, the Church
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: does always say that countries have a right to control
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: their borders. I will say, and I've written this for unheard,
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: that this is an issue. This immigration issue is one
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: in which it would be useful for the Church to
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: offer a deeper theology of migration that is fit for
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: the twenty first century, when lots and lots of people
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: are on the move. The church is true emphasizes the
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: common good, but sometimes, listening to some bishops, you would
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: think that the common good is completely just the same
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: thing as the rights of migrants, and it doesn't quite
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: take into account the church, I think as much the
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: right of people in recipient countries, people in the global North,
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: especially working lower middle class people whose access to public
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: services is strained by uncontrolled migration, whose jobs and wages
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: are threatened by that. Sometimes it's true, you know, when
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: you listen to the church, it seems like that's that
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: they only see it from the migrants point of view.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: And I get that. I mean so because it's the
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: church that looks out for the week and for the migrant,
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: and I get that, But I think in this scenario
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: you also have people who are dispossessed and weak, namely
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: working class people in recipient countries, who have to be
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: in the calculus of the common good as well. And
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: so that's an issue where I think there should be
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: a kind of dialogue I would hope between the Trump
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: administration and the Holy See. But that dialogue is not
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: advanced by posts like that, right, I mean, the church
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: is also a political institution. It's a state that has
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: a certain dignity course, and of course, you know, the
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: figure of the Pope is seen as the successor of
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: Saint Peter, as the person who holds the keys to
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: the kingdom, so to speak, and who can forgive sins
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: on earth or bind them, you know, or who can
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: bind or loose sins on earth, and that will be
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: reflected in heaven. That's a stature that requires if you
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: want dialogue, not ranting against the figure of the Pope.
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: I think that doesn't advance the kind of dialogue, which
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: you're right, Segar, I think we need that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Let's get to Hungary, then, which we also wanted to
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: talk to you about. I know that you attract things
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: there closely. The Vice President JD. Vansy flew halfway across
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: the world in the middle of a war, just a
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: campaign for Victor Worbon, who did end up losing the election.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to what the Vice president said there.
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: Will you stand against the bureaucrats in Brussels. Will you
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: stand for sovereignty and democracy?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Will you stand for Western civilization?
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: Will you stand for freedom, for truth and for the
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: God of our fathers? Then, my friends, go to the
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: polls on the weekend. Stand with Victor Orbon because he
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: stands for you, and he stands for all these things.
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: God bless Hungary and God bless the United States of America.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: So that was an impassioned plea from the Vice president. However,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: it didn't really work. Let's put D three up there.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: On the screen.
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Peter Magyar has won the election. Victor Orbon has conceded.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: It does look like it was you know, sixteen year
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: and to power there for Orbon. And it also to
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: have been a pretty resounding victory for the opposition party.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: You know, Sarah, you have watched this pretty closely, or
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: at least a lot closer than me, and so tell
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: us a little about the dynamics here. Whether Vance's visit
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: hurt helped what happened.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: I can't assess what JD. Vance's speech had. I mean,
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: I think it was a very much a base speech.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: As you heard there, there's a Fetes that's the former
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: ruling party, the party of Prime minist Victor Orbon. It
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: has its base. It has certain themes of against Europe's
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: vision of heavy migration or uncontrolled migration, you know, for
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: cultural conservatism, and he delivered a base speech. I think
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: the real dynamic here is that after sixteen years with
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: any democratic ruler, voters are bound to get tired, even
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: if even if they have mixed feelings about the ruler
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: in question, and I appreciate certain things about it, after
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: sixten years, it's hard to get reelected. I just think
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: that's the fundamental dynamic here. And I think it's very
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: telling and important to note that Victor Orbin was repeatedly
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: cast as this authoritarian figure, and there were some things
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: that troubled me about his rule, the way that the
• 26:10
  Speaker 8: kind of nexus between government and friendly oligarchs and and
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: and the media, the kind of control, but it wasn't
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: extraordinarily out of the out of the norm. I think,
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: you know, you have a country, a democratically elected government
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: will try to entrench itself, including by exerting control over media.
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: So that's not that's still within the bounds of democracy.
• 26:34
  Speaker 8: And you see it from all.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Sorts of labor does in the UK.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And he did concede at the end of the day,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and that's.
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: The that's what I was going to get to. He like,
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: when time came, he was like, well, the voters didn't
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: give you a mandate goodbye, like he did, you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 8: contrary to what some of the fears that were being
• 26:49
  Speaker 8: generated online in terms of his opposition, where they were
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: saying he's about to you know, even if he loses,
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: he won't give up power or anything like that. He did. So,
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: you know, I think it's an end of an era
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: though of Hungary, this small, landlocked country of ten million people,
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: which isn't in the grand scheme of things, it's not
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: an important country, but had taken on this outsized role
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: in the imagination of conservatives around the world, especially in
• 27:13
  Speaker 8: the Anglo American sphere, of a government who was popular,
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: a government that was popular, that was anti immigration, culturally conservative,
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: and quite effective at making very in a nimble way,
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: navigating its relationship with America, where it allied itself with MAGA,
• 27:32
  Speaker 8: even as at the same time it was more open
• 27:36
  Speaker 8: to China than many other European countries, right, so it
• 27:39
  Speaker 8: kind of created this ecodistant relationship between Washington and Beijing,
• 27:44
  Speaker 8: resisted America's tendency to create East and West blocks, even
• 27:49
  Speaker 8: as it was you know, you know, culturally and rhetorically
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: so aligned with Trump and MEGA. I mean, they were
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: pretty smart the fetes people, and they did, you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: they held on. They did something that were good. I
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: think a lot of the family support programs could be
• 28:02
  Speaker 8: a model for the United States. They did push total
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: fertility up from when Orbon came back in twenty ten
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: to now. It's it became it went from like under
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: one or maybe just that one child to one point
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: one point one point six. But we should stop this
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: kind of imagining Hungary as this you know, right wing
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: utopia and I think, you know, it's just it's just
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: a small Central European country.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Right and FIDES definitely advanced themselves as like this post
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: liberal laboratory of the potential future. And I want to
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: put these next elements up on the screen. It's unclear
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: actually how much of that is going to be changed
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: by Magyar. And this is where you know, Hillary Clinton
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: and Applebaum's posts about you know, farewells Orbon were interesting
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: because Magyar came out of fidess. This is from Martin
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Versovski who says Magyar is not the anti Orbon, he
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: is running on a platform that is Orbon without the corruption.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: As Orbon opposes the EU migration Pact. He voted against
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: the loan to Ukraine, he wants strong borders and has
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: no plans to reverse Hungary's energy ties with Russia before
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: twenty thirty five. On every substantive question that defines the
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: European left right divide, Magyar sits exactly where Orbon sits,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: and that stands up. He also says Peter Magyar succeeding
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Orbon is not as if Kamala Harris beat Trump, as
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: a left believes, but as if Ron DeSantis beat Trump.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: So do you think that's a fairly accurate assessment of
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: what just happened in Hungary?
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's it's a decent analogy. I'll question
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: it in one second, but the big kind of I
• 29:40
  Speaker 8: think Ron de Santis versus Trump is kind of a
• 29:43
  Speaker 8: decent analogy. It's very it's very clear. You know, Peter Magyar,
• 29:49
  Speaker 8: by the way, what a name, you know? It's Peter
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: the Hungarian right. It's like Emmily the American if your name,
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: if your last name was American, that you know.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: He he was.
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: A feedes oparachiic and felt, as I understand it, that
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: the jam Post like the kind of favorable job that
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: they'd given him didn't match his ambition and so and
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: there's a kind of complicated because he was used to
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: be married to the former and Feedez justice minister. They
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: had a very very ugly separation, and out of his
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: frustrations as a man on every level, he like launched
• 30:25
  Speaker 8: a political career and now he's the prime minister of
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: a whole country. It's a fascinating story, but he's like
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: deeply within the feed structures. I will say there is
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: some disagreement between Orbon and Peter Magyar on other elements
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: of the EU. Not that sort of migration question, but
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: in terms of European integration more generally, the idea of
• 30:49
  Speaker 8: how much say Europe should have versus national sort of sovereignty.
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: You know, the tension between those two forces you heard
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: advance to that. I think Magyar a broadly speaking, is
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: slightly more integrationists, which is why the European establishment, the
• 31:08
  Speaker 8: center right, center left establishment in Brussels and so it
• 31:11
  Speaker 8: embraced him, even though in an individual discrete question he
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: sits exactly where orban saits. In terms of the division
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: of power between Brussels and Budapest. I think Magyar sits
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: a little bit more comfortably with having greater European unions,
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: say and integration.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think what's fascinating is the corruption point and
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: really just the the you know, kind of fatigue that
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: you're making. I was thinking of, let's say the Modi election. Like,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: if you think about the so called populous Way twenty fourteen,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, these people come in, they're enormously popular, they
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: win stunning re election. However, once you're in power for
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: a certain period of time, people are going to be
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: fed off, basically with anybody who is in office. And
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: we saw that he didn't lose, to be clear, but
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: he didn't win nearly as much in the more recent
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: election in India than they had expected. Here with Orbon,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: it's not like the ideas themselves become unpopular. It's about
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: entrenched government. And like you said, there are genuine questions
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: there about business interests. And you know, when I visited Hungary,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: even our tour guide was like, oh, look at this
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: great palace that Orbon had built.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Himself, and I was like, oh, that's interesting.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, there was there was enough
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: dissent I think, on the street there for something like
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: this to take hold even if the ideas themselves were there.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Do you have any other big picture takeaways from it?
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Or should we just say it's a small country, it's
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: not all that important.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: A lot of conservatives really fell in love with it,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: and maybe they should check themselves.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: That's my takeaway.
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's basically right. I'm not shocked by
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: the patronage structures, you know, the spoil system, you know,
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: the first populist president of the United States, I love
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: to come back, go back to Jackson, as you can tell,
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: but he created the soil system, you know, and that's
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: what they had. Maybe, I think if I were to
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: critique them, a lot of the messaging, as far as
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: I saw, was so civilizational. It was all of about
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: you know, culture, war and Western civilization and this and that. Meanwhile,
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: you had a country that was, you know, facing big inflation.
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: It was basically those same pocketbook issues that face a
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: lot of voters across the developed world. I don't think
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: you heard as much about that, and some of them
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: feed us messaging in this time around than you did before,
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: and I think that's that may be another factor as well.
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: But anyway, bottom line, small Central European country. Interesting experiments
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: that conservatives and populists should learn from. But also like,
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: don't make it into like the be all end all
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: of what it means to be on the right and
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: this kind of right wing utopia vision. You know, it's
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: just the country.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Also, corruption can undermine populist.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Projects, something that people still important should think about. That.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much, so we appreciate your time.
• 33:53
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• 33:55
  Speaker 4: molotov cocktail that was lobbed at open Ai CEO Sam
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Altman's house just days ago. So first we can put
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: this element up on the screen. This was from April tenth,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: the headline man arrested for allegedly throwing molotov cocktail at
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Sam altman San Francisco home. You may have heard about
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: this several days ago when it happened. A twenty year
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: old man was arrested on Friday quote on suspicion of
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: throwing a Molotov cocktail at altman San Francisco home and
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: making threats also at the company's headquarters. This was according
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: to the NBC Bay Area Report. Now yesterday the FBI
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: this is the next element raided the home that was
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: connected to the suspect actually who's from Texas in the
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: malotov cocktail attack. So a little bit here from the
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: local Fox affiliate. It says the fbion Monday rated a
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: home in Spring, Texas connected to the suspect accused of
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: throwing a molotov cocktail at Altman's house in San Francisco.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Video of the scene showed a large law enforcement presence
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: in a residential neighborhood on Monday. The home is connected
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: to twenty year old Daniel Alejandra more Gama, so twenty
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: year old gen z mail presumably in this case, we
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: should add so after the suspect quote. According to the
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Fox affiliate, through the miles of cocktail at the home
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: and fled. Officers responded a short while later to a business.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: This was the site of Open AI's headquarters. Now moreno
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Gama is identified as the same individual who was involved
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: in the arson attack and the headquarters attack, so both
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: of those connected. According to officials, he traveled from Texas.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: The sources close to the investigation told Fox that he
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: was quote driven by his anti AI views and was
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: also carrying a manifesto when he was arrested in San Francisco.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: That manifesto has been described as a quote three part
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: series and included a list of quote other AI executives
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: and investors along with their names and addresses. So Sager
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: echoes of Luigi in this case already.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So Daniel Marino, we don't know a ton about
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: this guy. We know that he was indicted yesterday on
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: attempted murder charges. That was from the San Francisco DJ
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: is going to file federal charges against him. He was
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: charged with the attempted firebomb and attempt of a murder
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: on his life. Now, the complaint, as you said, says
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: that he drove all the way from Texas. But I
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: think for our purposes, the bigger kind of societal question
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: is about this type of violence and like why it's happening.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: This is in no way an endorsement of a celebrate,
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: just like when we covered Luigi Assassinating somebody in cold
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: blood is disgusting.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: It's crime should be prosecuted.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: But you know, if you kind of zoom out and
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: think about the great displacements of American workers or even
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: global this is not a dissimilar phenomenon. So I was thinking,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: you know, to a couple of things actually saying conversation
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: I had with Luigi and actually very Luigi like, like,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: for example, a bunch of people were posting we have
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: E three. A lot of people were openly, like outwardly celebrating,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: you know, this attack.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: And I mean, like with Luigi, we this is a no.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think this is really gross behavior.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Shouldn't do this about anybody Charlie Kirk or you know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: healthcare executive or you know anyone else who has killed
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: who might be unsympathetic on your side again, you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: as political analysts or whatever, we have to be like, okay.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: So what's going on here? And it does kind of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: remind me.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: If you guys are watching the show The Gilded Age,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: it's on HBO, we actually have somebody in the third
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: spoiler alert, Sorry it's been out for a while, though,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Is the oligarch who's depicted in the show get shot?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: Well, when the Luigi case happened and I talked about this,
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: is Luigi spent a lot of time in Japan and
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: he became like really obsessed with Japanese culture, and I
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: was like, wow, I mean, yes, many such cases. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: don't know if Luigi was all that well read or not.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: But one of the things that was the hallmark of
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: the Imperial Japanese age, especially the hypernationalistic age, is that
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: there were these assassinations of business leaders who were seen
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: as undermining the state, and so for it was called gekokujoe,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: which roughly translates from the bottom to the top, which
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: is like you try to kill people type assassinations to
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: like bubble up your grievances. And so they were to
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: be all these crazy ass assassinations and then the government
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: would basically like forgive the assassins because they'd be so
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: popular with the people, because they wanted to make it
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: seem they wanted to punish them, but they didn't want
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: to punish them too much because the assassins were seen
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: as acting on behalf of the people. And it kind
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: of led to like a madness, like a government of
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: assassination basically where people thought, as long as I assassinate
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: and it's in the public interest and the people will
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: have my back and the government won't punish me.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: It created a really vicious feedback loop.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: But a lot of oligarchs and business leaders were included
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: in that. In America, in the anarchist age, attacks on
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: the like oligarchs or the hyper capitalists. It happened all
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: the time, especially in Europe. In McMillan Russia, right, you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: assassination by anarchists and others was long time, you know,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: something not only just against the royal family and the czars,
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: but specifically like economic ministers and others were targeted.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So it's not like this.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Hasn't happened many times in history. And I think for me,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: it's about displacement. So like if we were to look
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: at the Johnson Luigi killing, he targets.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: A healthcare executive.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: It is a bit bizarre, right, I mean, from what
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: we know he had some sort of healthcare he had
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: a health problem, but from what we know, he was
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: never a United Health customer. Right, It's not like he
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: had been specifically denied. Maybe he became obsessed with it
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: and targeted. Who knows what happened to him mentally, But
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I think just generally, like when you have large amounts
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: of displacement, economic displacement, your fullness also specific This guy's
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: only twenty, who knows what's going on in his life.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: We've seen this many times with some of the We
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: remember the guy who killed the illegal immigrants at the
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: ice facility.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, you know sayme that we in Dallas.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so somebody who's you know, loser going crazy and
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: just ironically wanted to kill people.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, And so I.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Do think that this is a societal affliction and it
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: does say something bigger both the reaction also the attempted
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: assassination itself, which is scary.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Well, most people who live in the country.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and we never learned from history. There are all
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: kinds of quotes from our own Gilded Age about from
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: powerful people, and mostly towards the end of the Gilded Age,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: but about how the people who will undermine capitalism the
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: most will be the capitalists. The people who will hurt
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: that cause the most will be the ones who are
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: abusing at the very top, who are abusing it and
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: are causing such profound distrust and dissatisfaction and hopelessness. So
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: we can at E three on the screen. This is reactions.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Oh you put it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah so, but one of the reactions that I just
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: wanted to highlight here is from well actually the person
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: who posted it, who said quote. I didn't realize how
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: bad it was until I saw this comment section on Instagram.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: So this, as Soccer mentioned, you have some people saying,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: for example, this should be a nightly occurrence. One ain't
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: gonna cut it. I love how collectively fed up the
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: working class is that people are tired. And again this
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: is historically not unfamiliar. Just to mind that point, like
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: when you read those quotes, it feels ripped out of
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: the Gilded Age, like just directly ripped out of the
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Gilded Age. And one of the things that people need
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: to be paying very close attention to is that, first
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: of all, you have two things that are showing up
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: more and more in polling. One, people are feeling like
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: they have less agency, they're feeling powerless. And two, I mean,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: I'm reading here from the Harvard Andtitute of Politics on
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: their own polling. This is just from last year. Most
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: young Americans reject political violence, but a meaningful minority express
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: conditional tolerance, driven less by ideology and more by financial strain,
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: institutional distrust, and social alienation. And so this is not
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: going to be I mean, sadly, Soccer, we see this
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: happen every couple of months now, and it's not going
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: to be just a short trend. This is something that's
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: probably going to be with us for a long time.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: Let's put E four up on the screen. This is
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: This is Pew polling about data centers coming to rural areas. Virginia, Texas,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: and Georgia lead the country and planned data centers. So
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Virginia has the highest number of currently operating ones and
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the highest number of planned But then after that it
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: goes to Texas, California, Illinois, Georgia, Ohio, Arizona, New York,
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: organ and on and on a lot of rural states
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: on those lot or on that list. And you can
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: see I'm going to put this up next. This is
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: going to be a video speaking of things that are
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: ripped straight out of history. This is like ripped straight
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: out of Eddington. Not to spoil Eddington, but it's also
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: been out for a while. If you haven't seen Eddington,
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: you need to see it. But this is like ripped
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: straight from Eddington. This is actually somebody posted. This is
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: from NJ dot com on TikTok. This is what it
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: sounds like to live next to a data center. Meet
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: your new neighbor a giant data center. Is how it
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: was originally posted on TikTok. The sound here If you're
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: listening to this. The sound here, the video is just
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: from a person's porch, and you see woods in the background.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: It just looks like a normal house. You see woods
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: in the background, and so the sound is what you
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: really want to pay attention to. So you're just on
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: your porch trying to enjoy an evening or your morning coffee,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: and that's what you hear blaring in the background. And
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: so again, none of this is in any way to
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: excuse political violence. It is to explain why it feels
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: like we are just on the cusp of something that's
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: about to actually get worse.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of tension in the country. People
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: are very upset.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: There's a lot job displacement, there's economic displacement, high interest rates.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: You know, don't have to explain to anybody who's watching
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the show.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And I do think often back to the revolutions of
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: eighteen forty eight, allowing.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: You sure, you're sure, So let's think.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Let's think about what happened right with and this I'm
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: borrowing a lot of this from a lot of British
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: history that I have read, is that there were these
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: great displacement on the continent, and what happened is that
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: the British ruling class effectively realized that they were going
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: to have to give up a lot of power that
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: they held among the aristocracy in order to maintain some
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: legitimacy with the people, and that doing that would be
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: economically and socially extremely painful, but ultimately it would be
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the only way that they would survive. And then after
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: the First World War, their experiment is very obviously proven correct.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: Is that the only society which effectively stripped the monarch
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: of all power and actually gave some again not nearly enough,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: but some power to its people was the only one
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: where the monarchy was able to live. So Russia, Germany, Austria, Hungary, right,
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: the Ottoman Empire, all of these other empires and monarchies
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: fall completely, you know, they become irrelevant.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Like you know, last names. In Europe, there's only one monarch.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: As technology is right, I meansations, technology and war telegram right,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: And I think that like you have to find some
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: sort of a balance.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: So we have this extraordinarily rich country where the vast
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: majority of the wealth is concentrated at the top, that
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: is the new modern American aristocracy. So they basically have
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: to make the same bargain is you can have short
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: term riches that guests will continue to go up, but
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: in the long run, we know how this is going
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: to end. You're probably going to lose it in some
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: sort of violent revolution or who knows it, you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: crazy government takeover, or you can voluntarily support more transitionary
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: measures to try and like stem the tide of a
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: lot of this angst and it's anger, and yeah, this
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: is our time for choosing. You know, Gilded Age, it
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: was very violent. It also was very you know, think about.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Andrew Carnegie was basically shamed.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: Into being chaired absolutely pub all of those labor disputes.
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: I mean remember like union strikers of they were killed
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: in the streets, like it was bad.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for a long time.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: A lot of those people died for some of the
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: worker protections that even people enjoy today. So that did
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: not happen. That happened at the tip of gun and
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: with violence a lot of the times. And you know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons why it ultimately abated was because
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: of economic changes that we made in our own society.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: So I hope, for all of our sakes so that
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: we do that sometime soon.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: So we don't see anymore of this.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: All right, We've got Kristen Breitweiser standing by, let's get
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: to it. Joining us now is Kristen Breitweiser. She is
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: a nine to eleven widow and she is an advocate
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: on behalf of all nine eleven families.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: We're very honored to have you join us. Thank you
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: so much for giving us your time.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: Good morning, Thanks for having me.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely so Christy.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: You reached out to us about a very troubling story
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: here in which you and other nine to eleven widows
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: feel as if both the funds that were allocated both
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: to you as victims of terrorism have not been properly dispersed,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: but also that you have been unable to get into
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: contact with Secretary Howard Lutnick, who himself was at Canter
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Fitzgerald on nine to eleven, and you're saying that he
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: has not adequately advocated on your and other widows behalf
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: to secure a meeting with President Trump. Why don't you
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: just tell us a little bit about that and I'll
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: give Secretary LATINX response.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: First off, I'm not a Canner widow. I'm just a
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: widow that has fought for truth. Transparency, accountability and justice
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: for the last twenty four years fighting for the rights
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: of the widows and children, the widows and children of
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: those murdered on the day of nine to eleven. So
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: I just want to say that at the outset, however,
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: you know in our community and many of my friends
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: are Canner widows, we have made several efforts over the
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: last year to get in touch with Howard and his
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: sister Edie, because we know that Howard is very close
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: with the President. You read articles that they talk to
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: each other every night on the phone before going to sleep.
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: Howard is in the cabinet, You see him routinely in
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: the Oval office. And so given the facts and the
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: history and the data about how the nine to eleven
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: widows and children have been treated and our failure to
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: be compensated properly in alignment with the law for the
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: murder of our husbands on nine to eleven, we wanted
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: to reach out to Howard to see if he could
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: facilitate a meeting between us and the President, and all
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: of those efforts at outreach have been rebuffed. He's not
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: willing to help us as far as we understand, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: we've tried through several different avenues to get in touch
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: with him, and that's really disappointing. After nine to eleven,
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: one of the widows whose husband was actually very close
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: with Howard, made some very good trades and work for Howard.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: The firm did very well thanks to his efforts, was
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: murdered on September eleventh, and his widow said to me,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: you know, Howard after nine to eleven told us constantly
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: we were family. We were family. He was always going
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: to be there for us. And you know, well, if
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: you had a family member and the cabinet of the
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Trump administration, do you think you'd be struggling to get
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: a meeting. It's not like we are some group without
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: credible grievances and a credible issue. We are, you know,
• 49:29
  Speaker 5: three thousand, nine to eleven widows and children who are
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: seeking just the fair and just compensation that we're owed
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: under the law. That has not happened. President Trump, prior
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: to being elected president both times talked about releasing documents,
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: talked about holding people accountable, talked about taking care of
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: the families. That's just not happened. And we have a
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: conduit through Howard. We reached out to him several times,
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: and it's just failed to help us.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Right, So we did get this response from Secretary lot
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Nickel's put it up there on the screen. I'm going
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: to read it and full as I told his team
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: I would. Secretary Lutnik lost his brother and his best
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: friend on September eleventh. He then spent years fighting for
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: the families of the six hundred and fifty eight counter
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: Fitzgerald employees, distributing more than one hundred and eighty million
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: out of his own firm. The idea he is indifferent
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: to nine to eleven families is not serious. That was
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: in response Christians to a series of questions that we
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: sent over to the Commerce Department, asking specifically about this
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: meeting that you would want to facilitate with President Trump
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: before we know. First of all, you're happy to include
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: your own response to Secretary Lutnik if you would like,
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: But let's clarify what are you trying to meet with
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: President Trump about.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: So many of the widows feel that the President has
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: not been fully briefed on the way the nine to
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: eleven widows and children have been treated in the last
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: twenty four years. We don't think that he's aware of
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: the disparate treatment that we've received not only from prior
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: presidents and the Department of Justice, but also the Department
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: of Justice in this government fund that is supposed to
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: treat all American victims fairly. And so when you look
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: at the history of the September eleventh attacks, what you
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: find is that three thousand people were murdered in broad
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: daylight in Lower Manhattan. Three thousand unsolved murders happened, and
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: twenty four years later, there has been no accountability. There
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: has been no successful prosecutions by the Department of Justice.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: We have Guantanamo, which is still in its pre trial phase,
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: and then you have our litigation against the defendants the
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: certain state sponsors of terrorism, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Sudan.
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: And when you learn when you look at those cases
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: that are still in the pre trial phase twenty four
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: years after the murder of three thousand people, you learn
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: that the government has not cooperated in sharing evidence and
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: information that we know that they have. You learn that
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: the government has in fact stonewalled and obfuscated information has
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: made our ability to hold anyone accountable impossible. You look
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: at Guantanamo, the reason why it's in the pre trial phase.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: And why we're not able to hold anyone accountable down
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: there is because the CIA tortured the detainees that are
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: remaining there, and we will never be able to hold
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: them accountable. We will never see them stand trial in
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: a military tribunal. That wasn't our choice. The government threw
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: that at us and forced us to take that scenario. Additionally,
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: ten days after the nine to eleven attacks, the government
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: ex post facto, took away our rights to hold anyone accountable.
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: They kepped liability levels, They made it impossible for us
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: to hold anyone accountable. We weren't allowed to sue the
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: airlines because if we sued the airlines, the government told
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: us the entire US economy would collapse. And so what
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: we were told was it was the only game in town.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: They literally used that phrase, and that we had to
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: go into this compensation fund. The compensation fund did not
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: compensate us for the murder of our loved ones in
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: alignment with the law. Howard Lutnik is a businessman. He
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: knows full well what happened to us in that victim's
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: compensation fund program. He knows that it was unlawful, that
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: it was nowhere near the compensation that were owed under
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: the law, which is the lost wages of our husbands
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: that were murdered. In any case in this country, whether
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: you are fired wrongfully, whether you are discriminated against, whether
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: you are injured in the workplace. If you break a
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: leg and you work in an Amazon warehouse, you are
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: paid your lost wages as a result of that injury.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: Yet three thousand people were murdered in broad daylight. Three
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: thousand people were killed unnecessarily because I know, as someone
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: who fought for the nine to eleven Commission, that the
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: nine to eleven attacks one hundred percent could have and
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: should have been prevented. And so knowing those facts, I
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: looked to my government, my Department of Justice, and every
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: president since President Bush to say, why weren't we compensated
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: in alignment with the law. Why wasn't the law followed?
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: Why were our rights to hold anyone accountable for the murder,
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: the massacre of our loved ones. Why was the law
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: not followed? Why where we robbed of our rights by
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: our own government? And we don't get any answers, and
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: president after president it is not a Democrat or Republican issue.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: They refuse to reconcile. Our questions are, you know, our
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: demand to get restitution that were owed under the law.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: And so we had looked to Howard. He's in the cabinet,
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: He's a businessman. He lost seven hundred of the guys
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: that worked for him. He has profited off nine to eleven.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: You look at the money that that firm made in
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: the wake of the nine to eleven attacks. They did
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: quite well. Many people did business with Howard because they
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: wanted to make sure that the widows and children were
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: taken care of and unlike the widows and children who
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: were barred from holding anyone accountable. You know, the City
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: of New York, the poort Authority of New York, the building,
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: the leaseholder, all the companies themselves for not you know,
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: my husband's company told my husband to stay at his desk.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Don't run out of the building. Ron stay at your desk.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: The second tower, in.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: The second Tower. In my opinion, after all the work
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: I've done with the nine to eleven Commission, I can
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: tell you this. Let me just qualify that I don't
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: agree with the nine to eleven Commission report. It was
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: a whitewash. So just I want to be clear with that.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: But what I did learn in the process was that
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: no one in Tower too should have died. Yet all
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: of those people perished senselessly, and yet we're not allowed
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: to hold anyone accountable for that. We're not allowed to
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: hold the port authority, the businesses, et cetera, because the
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: government took our way, our right to do that. And
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: so when I looked at Howard and Canner was allowed
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: to sue, they recovered quite a bit of money. And
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: some widows canner widows have asked if Howard had a
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: key man insurance on the men that were killed that day.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: I don't have the answer to that. That's something that
• 55:45
  Speaker 5: we certainly would like to get some answers on. And
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: so we're only asking for fairness, and we're asking to
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: be compensated in alignment with the laws of this country,
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: which in the past twenty four years has not happened.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: And yet when I look at other groups of victims,
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: in fact, military victims, foreign service victims, in fact, they
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: shouldn't even be called victims. What they should be called
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: as casualties or injuries, battlefield injuries. Those groups have been
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: compensated well beyond the base two hundred and fifty thousand
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: dollars that they're supposed to receive when they're injured on
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: the battlefield or in combat. Yet it's like upside down world.
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: We find that the military casualties and injuries that are
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: suffered overseas, either in the war in Iraq or at
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: certain embassies like the Beirut bombing, the Kobar Tower bombing,
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: the East African Embassy bombing, the USS coal bombing, we
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: see that these casualties and injuries in the military and
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: foreign service are paid millions of dollars in a government fund,
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: while the civilian widows and children are undercompensated and mistreated.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: And these are the types of things that we want
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: to bring to Howard's attention because there's no way he
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: knows it, and that we want to bring to the
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: President's attention.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Emily asked a question for you.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say, this brings us back
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: to Lutinik. I mean, normal people watching this might say,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: you're asking for a meeting. You're asking for a meeting,
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: and apparently.
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: According to mister Lutinix spokesperson, that's not serious. Yes, I
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: don't you know, we're asking for you know, thirty minutes
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: of the president's time. I am very well plugged in.
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: I see the people that the President meets with routinely
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: and regularly. I've been to the White House. We met
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: with the Trump National Security Council members last summer. We
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: briefed them thoroughly about the hedge funds that are profiting
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: from murder and terrorism in this government run fund, and
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: we gave them all of the evidence SEC documents, we
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: gave them data, we gave them everything, and then we
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: never heard back from them, and they told us that
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: they were outraged. They told us that they were interested.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: They followed up with questions asking for evidence of criminal fraud,
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: and we've never heard back from that. Yeah.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: And we also reached out, on your behalf, christ In
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: to the US Department of Justice, the US Victims of
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: States or Terrorism Fund, based on the documents that you
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: sent us. We sent them a list of the questions
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: that you're alleging, and they did not respond to any
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: request for comment that we said there and we sent
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: it almost two weeks ago.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Can I just be clearful. I want to add to this, Kristen,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: because I know you have thoughts. You know, it's my understanding,
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: you've been involved in this since you lost your husband.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: It's my understanding that Howard Lutnik when he was at Cantor,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: they were involved in a lawsuit against the Saudis. It's
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: worth noting that Jared Kushner has huge investment in his
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: own fund from MBS from the Saudis. So as you
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: look at the situation and try to understand why it
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: is that they may not even want to have a
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: meeting with you. Why Howard Lutnik, of all people, may
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: not even want to facilitate a meeting while you're not
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: hearing back from him. What explanation can you possibly come
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: to for that?
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: Look, it's politically inconvenient, and it's also financially inconvenient. There
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: are plenty of people in this administration and quite frankly
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: full transparency every prior administration that makes an awful lot
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: of money through several of the monarchies in the Middle
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: East and through our relationship with Israel, and so, you know,
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: compensating widows and children and holding anyone accountable for the
• 59:13
  Speaker 5: September eleventh attacks is apparently politically inconvenient. But the reality
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: is we're American citizens. We have a constitution in this country,
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: we're based upon a rule of law. And when you
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: look at the you know the effects of nine to eleven,
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: and you look at how the United States government and
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: every president in Congress has reacted in response to the
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: nine to eleven attacks, what you see, in my opinion,
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: is an abortion of the rule of law. And I
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: know that those are strong terms to say, but those
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: are the facts. If you look at what has happened,
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: how the thousands of widows and children have been treated,
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: how nine to eleven the attacks have been used to
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: undermine the constitution, to start wars based on lies, you know,
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: to roll back privacy rights, surveillance, Why are it's happening
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: to grossly over expand executive branch power. What you find
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 5: is that the various administrations and Congresses in the last
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: twenty four years are happy to use nine to eleven
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: for whatever means that they think is necessary for their
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: foreign policy agenda, for they themselves to profit on war
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: and you know, murder. But yet when it comes to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 5: the widows and children simply asking for the restitution that
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 5: we are owed under the law, and when someone is
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: murdered in broad daylight, they want nothing to do with it.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: The reality is Howard is the Commerce Secretary.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: We have questioned.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: He would be okay with hedge funds in the Cayman
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: Islands profiting from murder and terrorism at the expense of
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: this country's widows and children from this nation's worst terrorist
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: attack in all its history. And again I want to reiterate,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: we are civilian victims, widows and children who you know,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: watch their husbands who went to work get murdered on
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: live worldwide television. We are owed what we are entitled
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: to under the law. And I'd really like to know
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: why President Trump wouldn't want to meet with us. Some
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: of the cannor widows have said, there's no way President
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Trump knows this information because he would never let it happen.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: He would be outraged to find out that Cayman Island
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: hedge funds are profiting from murder and terrorism at the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: expense of widows and children. And so that's simply what
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: we asked Secretary. We asked for a meeting. We asked
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: his sister to help facilitate the meeting if Howard couldn't
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: do it. And you know, as I said, we've been unsuccessful.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: I do think some of it is involved with the
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: geopolitics in the region, whether it's Israel, whether it's Saudi,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: whether it's the Emirates, whether it's Katari's I don't know
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: who it is, but we're just asking for a meeting.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: I think the President could find time in his very
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: busy schedule to meet with us, especially considering the other
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: groups that the President has met with that I've seen
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: at least, you know, in the media.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: I think that is an extremely fair point. My last
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: question for you, Christen. You referenced there the uh you
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: reference the all the ramifications of nine to eleven, which
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: a result not just of a big event for the country,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: but for you personally. You want to watch your husband
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: murdered on live television, and you know, if this is
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: too far, please let me know.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: But I'm curious.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: You know, when you're watching the Iran war happen and
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: we're watching all of this death and destruction, do you
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: worry about more blowback you know here in the United
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: States and similar types of incidents. I just want to
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: give you the opportunity if you feel comfortable one.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: Hundred percent listen. Like I said, I worked to fight
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 5: to get the creation of the nine to eleven Commission.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: I testified before the joining career of Congress and the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: intelligence failures early on. We knew immediately that, you know,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: there was a parlay going on with regard to the
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: government wanting to you know, lie to the American people
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: and say that Iraq did nine to eleven. You can
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: go back and pull any kind of footage of me
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: in the media. Iraq had nothing to do with nine
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: to eleven. We tried as best as we could to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: get that information out. We were completely you know, droned
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: out by the administration, the Bush administration at the time,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: particularly Vice President Cheney who was now deceased, Wolf Woods, Pearl,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: all those guys. Unfortunately, they took us to war in
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: I Rock. Nine to eleven had nothing to do with
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: the Rock. We went into Afghanistan, they let Binladin get
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: away into our bora. And what I do know, and
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: what I can speak to firsthand, is that the data
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: is there. I'm a very empirical person. I look at
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: the facts, I look at the history, and I look
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: at the data. Data driven evidence shows that when you
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: go overseas and you start preemptive wars, it makes the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: country less safe. And in fact, what scares me and
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: upsets me and saddens me is that I know that
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: innocent civilian would own children will suffer the way the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: nine to eleven widows and kids suffered, because there will
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 5: be blowback and there will be repercussions for what we
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: are doing today overseas in the decades to come. And
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 5: so when I look at the writings of Bin Lauden
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 5: and I hear why he attacked us, I know that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: it was because of our military bases in Saudi the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: Holy Land, and I know it was because of our
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: support of Israel. And so what I take particular umbrage
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: with is that when I see that we're spending I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: think the estimate now is like up to seventy five
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: billion in the Iran War. And I know over the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: last twenty four years our support, our foreign aid to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: Israel has been around informally and formally combined I think
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy five billion dollars. And so I
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: take umbrage when someone like Senator Chuck Schumer tells me
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: or his staff tells me that widows and children can't
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: be treated fairly, and a Department of Justice government fund
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: that is supposed to treat all American victims of state
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: sponsored terrorism fairly. We can't treat you fairly, Kristen, because
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: there's just too many of you, just too many widows
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: and children to treat you fairly. We don't have the money.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: And I look at the budget that we have spent
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: on the war in Iran, and I look at the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: budget that has give foreign aid to Israel. And the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: reason my husband was murdered, according to the man who
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: murdered him in Laden, was because of our support of Israel.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: And all I'm saying is, could you take some of
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: that foreign aid that you're using in the war in
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: Iran and the foreign aid to Israel and use it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: to compensate thoroughly and fully the three thousand estates of
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: those senselessly, needlessly murdered twenty four and a half years ago.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: That's all we're asking for. Could you take that budget
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: and use it to compensate us under the law.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: We're not asking for special treatment, we're not asking to
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: be enriched. We are just asking for the bait, the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: base level of compensation that we're owed under the law.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: And yet, apparently from Senator Schumer on down up to
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: the White House. There's just too many of you. There's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: too many of you to fairly compensate you under the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: laws of the United States of America. And what I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: want to say is the problem with that, guys, is
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: that it does instead a to turn. So when you
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: get away with three thousand people being murdered in broad
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: daylight and lower Manhattan and no one is held accountable
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: and no one has to literally pay the price for that,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: and in fact, they take that and they manipulate it
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: and use it for twenty four years to go to war,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: to drone strike, to torture, to roll up the rights
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: under the Constitution, to expand executive branch power so that
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: you don't even need Congress to go to war. When
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: all of those things happen, what is the message that
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: is sent to those in government. It's that you can
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: do whatever you want to do. You can act with impunity.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: You can massacre and watch three thousand people get murdered
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: in broad daylight and nobody can do anything about it.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: And what I care about is making sure that there's
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: a deterrent factor. And if you make them pay, they're
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: going to think next time, they're going to say, gee,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: maybe we should roll along that greatation Californi and detain
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: those guys. Maybe when Sudan offers up beforeneven and ninety eight,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: we should arrest him and prosecute him. Maybe we should
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: set him flying from Dan to set up, you know,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: prepare for the nine eleven attacks. Maybe when there's a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: meeting in Malaysia, we should roll up that meeting and
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: arrest everyone there and not just watch them continue to
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: fly around the globe and murder seventeen sailors in Yemen.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: Maybe those things will happen better next time, and there
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: won't be a widow like me spending twenty four years
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: of my life fighting to get basic questions answered and
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: have people held accountable. If the government had held George
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: Tenant accountable for his failures on nine to eleven, we
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: would not have had the WMD lies to take us
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: to a rock. If Muller was held accountable for his
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: lies to Congress regarding the failure to prevent the nine
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: to eleven attacks, we might have not had the wreckage
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: caused by Muller years later. These are simple things. And
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: when our government in Congress refuse to hold anyone accountable,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: and they allow certain individuals to act with impunity. Innocent
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: people like my husband get murdered and my life gets wrecked,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: and it's just it's so Unamerican. It is so unpatriotic
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  Speaker 5: to not recognize that and demand that things be done better,
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  Speaker 5: that lives can be saved the next time. I hope
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  Speaker 5: that answers the question. I'm sorry, I'm you know, to
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: watch this war in Iran, to watch the president make
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  Speaker 5: the decisions that he's making, to not have an endgame,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: to not have goals clarified, is no different than the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: last twenty years with the quote unquote war on terror
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  Speaker 5: that was never defined, that was never you know, explained,
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  Speaker 5: with these goals that were never set out. Do you
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: know how many soldiers were killed? Do you know how
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: many lives were ruined? The wreckage overseas. It's got to stop,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: and I don't know how it's going to stop because
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: the American people are so disengaged from it they don't
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: know how to get it to stop. And we've got
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: members of Congress that literally do nothing. I mean, President
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: Trump went to war in Iran and Congress went on break.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, like that is not acceptable. I think every
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: single member of Congress, with the exception of a handful,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: should be run out of town because people are dying.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm here to tell you, I am walking proof
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  Speaker 5: that when you start preemptive wars based on bullshit, people die,
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  Speaker 5: Americans die. You are not making this country safer. You
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: are making us less safe, and you are alienating us
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 5: from our allies overseas. That's just a reality. And someone,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: some adult needs to be in the room and start
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: assessing and asking these questions and demanding answers. And the
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: American doesn't get the answers, well, then we need to
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: rise up and we need to change this government, and
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: we need to fix these problems. And the first way
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: to do that is to hold everyone accountable who is
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: responsible for the wreckage of the last twenty four years.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: And I don't know what convening body is able to
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: do that. And that's the other problem in this country.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: We have no convening authority that can come in and
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: hold these people accountable. Who's going to do it? You
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: think the federal judges are going to do it? Who
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: do you think puts federal judge in place?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: I think you should who are guilty? What I think
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: you should run for Congress.
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  Speaker 5: No, thank you. I you know what, I'm a solutions person.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: I get things done. And I don't know any member
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: of Congress who does anything to happen.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: But you had me fired up. You had me fired
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: up on that speech.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: You know what, because I've lived it. Honestly, I've spent
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: twenty four years of my life simply asking. I'm an attorney.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: I just want my husband's murder to be recognized, and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: I want what I'm owed under the law. And I
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: watch Congress after Congress, administration after administration. I see it,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: and once you know, oh what's going on, you cannot
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: unsee it. And then I look at the American public
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: and I look at how we're suffering, and I look
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: how farmers in the Midwest are struggling to survive, and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: I look at young mothers who live in cities that
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: just want their kids to be safe and to go
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: to school. And then I look at the billions and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: trillions of dollars that we have spent overseas fighting wars
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: that do not make us safer. The only thing that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: those wars do is make the military industrial complex more wealthy,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: and you know, profit on murder. It's despicable and it's
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: all there for anyone to see. But unfortunately, regular people
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: are just struggling to get through the day and they
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: don't have the bandwidth to do the work and to
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: see what's really going on. And they also don't know
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: how to stop it because the system is broken and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: regular people do not have a voice. You can't go
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: to Washington and get a meeting. Do you know how
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: hard it is to get a meeting with your congressman?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: Do you congressmen? To heare these congressmen don't even write
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: the bills that they're getting people to vote for Too
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: many meetings I've had with legal staff of big time
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: congressmen and senators and I asked them about a line
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: and a legislation that they've written. I'm like, yeah, what
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: does that mean? Could you give me the definition of repurpose?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: They're like what do you mean? I'm like, oh, you know,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: page three, line thirteen, Like, what does repurpose mean? Where
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: are you sending that money? They don't even know what's
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: in their own bill? Did I?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know that was in there. I'm like, well,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: who wrote your bill? And I'm telling you I could
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: tell you who wrote the bill because I know because
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: they admitted it. And I'm not going to say it
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: here because it'll start a I don't even know what,
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: but our own congressmen and senators are not writing their legislation.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: Other lawyers and lobbyists from various groups with special interests
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: are writing the legislation. And I'll tell you something, And
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: if I'm an American, I got a problem with that.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: I want my senators and congressmen to be writing legislation
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: that's in my interests. And I'm here to tell you
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: twenty four years walk in the halls of Congress, meeting
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: everyone from the President on down. They are not writing
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: legislation for you and me. They are writing it so
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: that they themselves and their special interest groups that give
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: them boatloads of money can all do well while the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: rest of us suffer. And it's got to stop. I
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: don't know how it's going to stop, but if you
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: can think of the way, you guys are both very smart.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: You have a platform. I pray to God that you
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: do it, because we are at the tipping point at
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: this point, and if this stuff continues, there's no coming back,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: there's no saving this country. I simply want this country
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: to be the country my my husband believed it was
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: on the morning of September eleventh, when he took a
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: ferry across to Lower Manhattan to go to work, and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: he called me before the plane is his building in
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: the first building and said, good morning, sweets, like, how's
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: your day, what are you guys up to today? That's
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: the country I want back, And I don't think it's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: that hard to do. We just need to fix some
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: of these problems and get some of these corrupt people
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: out of our government. So important.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's good and it's nothing compared to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: the struggle that you've lived. And we just want to
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: thank you for taking the time and especially for reaching
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: out to us. We were happy to advocate for on
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: your behalf ask me these questions to the government, so
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: at least you know that they were aware at the
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: very least as we reached out.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: So Christen, thank you very very much.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And if I could just say one last thing,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: I hope you guys will have us back on. You know,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: we are going to make a big push in the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: next couple of months before the anniversary, and so we
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: have a lot of information that we want to share
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: and so I hope we can come back on as
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: we get closer to the anniversary date so that we
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: can discuss some of these things. We've got two white papers,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: one from a very large law firm in Washington, D C.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: And another from an economic firm, so we've got expert
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 5: reports to back up everything that we're talking about. And
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: I do hope that you would have us back on.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Absolutely no, but you have my number, you know, you
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: know where to find me. All right, Thank you very much, Chris,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: thank you, Kristin. All right, bubbye, Thank you guys so
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: much for watching. Wasn't she amazing? She's incredible?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I love her all right, and we
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: will definitely have or back, don't you guys worry.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: We'll see you guys.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: We went long obviously, so we'll push JMA I think
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: to tomorrow Emily and I are back on.
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  Speaker 1: Then we'll see you then