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122. [Texas] Deborah McCormick · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to Bless This Mess and the Drue
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  Speaker 2: Hey Stu, Hey, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, we're back and this week we are going to
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  Speaker 1: Texas for our case out of Houston, Texas. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to try to make it through this. We have two
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  Speaker 1: children that are are cooperating for recording time. One that
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  Speaker 1: is not. It's the baby. So she's playing out there
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  Speaker 1: because she won't go down for her nap. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I can't complain. She's slept till nine thirty, almost ten o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: She's slept till ten o'clock this morning. We had to
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  Speaker 1: go wake her up. So we slept in this morning,
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  Speaker 1: which through the whole day behind. So here we are.
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  Speaker 1: But if you are wondering about my sour Dough starter,
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  Speaker 1: it is still not started. I haven't given up, though
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  Speaker 1: I gave up on filming it and putting it out
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  Speaker 1: there because I thought this was gonna be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'll film it for the like seven days, then magically
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  Speaker 1: we'll have a sour dough starter and we'll have bread
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  Speaker 1: and it'll be like a nice rounded story. So I
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  Speaker 1: have Yeah, So here we are. It has been almost
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  Speaker 1: two weeks, I think, and I'm still working on it.
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  Speaker 1: I've been doing I haven't runned my sourdough starter, so
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  Speaker 1: there hasn't been mold or anything that it just isn't
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  Speaker 1: rising like it's supposed to. So I've done some trouble
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  Speaker 1: shooting and we're working through that process and I will
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  Speaker 1: I did at this point, it's now become a challenge
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  Speaker 1: as to whether or not I can accomplish this or not.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just like throw something else on my plate
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  Speaker 1: that I don't have time to do, but for some reason.
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  Speaker 2: Might throw nothing on our plate.
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  Speaker 1: Well because since it has it started now, Well, I
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  Speaker 1: bought some sourdough from Chib that uh Emily one of
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  Speaker 1: our listeners was talking about too that she gets to
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  Speaker 1: chib sourdough. So I got and it was really good.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so that's what we've been doing. Uh, anything
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  Speaker 1: else we got going, Oh, I'm packing for our cruise,
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  Speaker 1: so I might once I get all the outfits organized,
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  Speaker 1: I might do a little video on like packing for
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  Speaker 1: the cruise, because I was going to do that last
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  Speaker 1: time about all the cruise things that I did that
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  Speaker 1: worked out. So now that I it's our second cruise,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm an expert. So yeah, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to show I'll show you guys everything I do
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  Speaker 1: for tips for like, because now we have three children,
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  Speaker 1: so it's a lot of stuff, but you have to
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  Speaker 1: figure out how to pack everything you need in a
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  Speaker 1: small amount of space. So I did learn a few
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  Speaker 1: things from last time that worked. And then we have
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  Speaker 1: the book club. So this month's book club was stop
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  Speaker 1: acting like you're going to sleep. Just because you don't
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  Speaker 1: people are anyways. I it was Winter Garden, and I
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  Speaker 1: have some thoughts. I finished it, but yeah, if you're
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  Speaker 1: a coffee and all that's in the show notes. But
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  Speaker 1: all right, do we have anything else going in our lives?
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  Speaker 2: Do matten? We got all kinds of shit going on, but.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's just it's too much. It's too much.
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  Speaker 1: It's all too much. But we're making it through and
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  Speaker 1: this will be our third week in a row putting
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  Speaker 1: on an episode. So I'm pretty proud of ourselves, are you.
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  Speaker 1: I am okay if we can make it through today,
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  Speaker 1: because I can hear the baby in there making noise,
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  Speaker 1: so this may not but hopefully all right, So let's
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and get into our case out of Texas.
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  Speaker 1: Deborah McCormick was born in nineteen fifty. There's not I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't find a lot of information about her upbringing in
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  Speaker 1: early life, but she did get married at some point
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  Speaker 1: and she had two daughters, Brandy and Down. Now Deborah
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  Speaker 1: would go on to get divorced from her husband, let's
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  Speaker 1: do that's what those are, and he became her ex husband.
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  Speaker 1: But there just wasn't a lot of information out there
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  Speaker 1: on her early life. But what I was able to
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  Speaker 1: find out was more about this flower shop that Deborah owned.
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  Speaker 1: So Deborah had a dream of opening her own flower
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  Speaker 1: shop and she successfully did that in the Houston area. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the flower shop was like it was like a flower
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  Speaker 1: shop in the front, and then it also had a
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  Speaker 1: chapel in the back for weddings, so it turned into
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  Speaker 1: almost like you know, like a floral shop and plus
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  Speaker 1: like an event center. Deborah spent most of her time
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  Speaker 1: at the flower shop. She brought up her daughters there
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  Speaker 1: running the business like they just they have memories all
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  Speaker 1: the way back from they were like four and five,
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  Speaker 1: running through the aisles of the chapel, running around all
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  Speaker 1: the flowers and everything, and it was a happy place
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  Speaker 1: for their family. Now Deborah's mother Mary, she also worked
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  Speaker 1: at the shop with Deborah, so it was a family
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  Speaker 1: affair to keep this place running and it was Deborah's
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  Speaker 1: pride and joy. Now Deborah had some exciting things coming
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  Speaker 1: up in her life. Her flower shop was doing really well.
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  Speaker 1: She was happy, and she was about to become a
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  Speaker 1: grandmother because her daughter Dawn was pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: On October tenth, nineteen ninety four, Deborah and her mother
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  Speaker 2: Mary were opening the flower shop for the day. Deborah
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  Speaker 2: didn't have any time to make and eat any breakfast
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  Speaker 2: that morning, and she wanted some more.
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  Speaker 1: Shoes, as one does in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: That's just true.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a big OJ person though, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not either, especially right after you brush your teeth
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  Speaker 2: and you try and yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's the worst combo. Like a good OJ in champagne
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  Speaker 1: though down for mimosa, but I can't you know, I
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  Speaker 1: can't drink them because like they make me so sleepy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about champagne. It's just hard.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm just I can't be productive the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the day. If I have one, it's over, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if I have a mimosa. So but you know, I
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  Speaker 1: can't handle hardly any alcohol anymore. It's like, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you really read about it, it is a poison.
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  Speaker 1: So that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Well you never really couldn't handle off?
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, but I stopped. I stopped drinking any alcohol
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  Speaker 1: like a little over a month ago, and I feel
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  Speaker 1: so much better, like none, because we weren't drinking after
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  Speaker 1: we used to drink a lot more and then after we.
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  Speaker 2: Had children can tell from some of our earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Episodes, but as the children, after we had children, of
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  Speaker 1: course that dropped off dramatically and then but now it's
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  Speaker 1: like there's just too much to be done. I just
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  Speaker 1: can't do it anyways. But that's the whole point of OJ.
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  Speaker 1: Not not like the slow or the slow Broncho.
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  Speaker 2: You know it's Bronco.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it was John Elway, Yes, John L.
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  Speaker 2: Way joke. Yes, all right, now, Mary offered to go
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  Speaker 2: get the orange juice for her from a local store.
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  Speaker 2: Mary locked the door behind her and had it out.
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  Speaker 2: Deborah and Mary had an agreement that the door was
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  Speaker 2: to remain locked when one of them was alone at
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  Speaker 2: the shop. The door was only to be unlocked for
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  Speaker 2: a known customer.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they were very I was looking at the area,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it might have been in a little
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  Speaker 1: bit like sketchier part of town, uh, because there was
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  Speaker 1: like a convenience store across the street and stuff. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that was just some safety measures that they
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  Speaker 1: had in place. But that's like even today, like if
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  Speaker 1: you work alone and you're a woman in a store,
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  Speaker 1: do not You should not be alone in that store ever.
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  Speaker 1: You should always have it doesn't matter what part of
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  Speaker 1: town is, because people are fucked up these days.
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  Speaker 2: Toward they Yes, yeah, I was going to do his
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  Speaker 2: turn on the news.
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  Speaker 1: And I know it's like I've been trying to like jog,
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  Speaker 1: I've been trying to do my couch to five k.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm make stew come with me, and so he
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  Speaker 1: just like walks by me in the neighborhood and we
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  Speaker 1: live like in a decent neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, well it was a lot
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  Speaker 2: nicer from the satellite via.
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  Speaker 1: So we got to know the people. But my theory
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  Speaker 1: is is that people are not meant to live this
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  Speaker 1: close to each other that don't know each other. And
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  Speaker 1: this is like the social experiment that's gonna completely unravel
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  Speaker 1: these subdivisions.
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  Speaker 2: Me build her subdivisions, yes, where you're.
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  Speaker 1: Like right on top of your neighbor. Yeah, it's not
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  Speaker 1: conducive to a good life.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway. Mary was gone about thirty minutes and when she
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  Speaker 2: returned to the flower shop and did not immediately see
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  Speaker 2: her daughter, she called out for her, but no one answered.
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  Speaker 2: She continued searching the store and she came upon Deborah
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  Speaker 2: in the reception hall in the back of the store.
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  Speaker 2: Deborah was covered in blood and not moving. She appeared
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  Speaker 2: to have been stabbed. Mary called nine one one and
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  Speaker 2: told the operator that someone had killed her daughter and
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  Speaker 2: she looked like she had been cut. Police a right
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  Speaker 2: on the scene to find forty four year old Deborah
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  Speaker 2: McCormick Lyne in a pool of blood and lifeless. The
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  Speaker 2: murder weapon appeared to be a knife. Upon initial examination,
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  Speaker 2: Debora was nude from the waist up her pink sweater
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  Speaker 2: had been ripped off of her. Her pants and underwear
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  Speaker 2: were intact, however, but there was a wet spot in
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  Speaker 2: the critch area. Police were able to obtain biological evidence
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  Speaker 2: from the crime scene to run DNA samples against when
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  Speaker 2: they finally had a suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Processing the crime scene, police did not see any indication
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  Speaker 1: of forced entry. The building was very secure, Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was kind of in a bad part
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  Speaker 1: of town, so there were burglar bars, like on all
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  Speaker 1: the windows. There were locks on all the windows and doors,
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  Speaker 1: and all those were intact, so it would be very
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  Speaker 1: hard to just break into this flower shop. It appeared
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  Speaker 1: that Deborah had unlocked the door and let the person
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  Speaker 1: inside the flower shop. Now this indicated to her mother
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  Speaker 1: and police and everyone that she most likely knew the
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  Speaker 1: killer entrusted them. There were also roses lying on the
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  Speaker 1: counter appearing to have been dropped. Police believe that the
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  Speaker 1: purchase of the roses was how the person gained entry,
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  Speaker 1: so it must have been a previous customer or something
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  Speaker 1: that came in there to buy roses and then dropped
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  Speaker 1: them when they attacked Deborah. The crime was committed very
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  Speaker 1: very quickly. Deborah's mom was only gone about thirty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: so the killer was able to gain entry into the
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  Speaker 1: so he's able to go up, talk to knock on
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  Speaker 1: the door, talk to Deborah, get her to let him inside,
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  Speaker 1: commit the crime, and then leave before anyone even saw them. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the shop did not seem to be ransacked. However, there
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  Speaker 1: were a few things missing, and that was four hundred
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  Speaker 1: dollars in cash from Deborah's mother's makeup bag and then
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  Speaker 1: Deborah's keys to the building because whenever the killer had left,
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  Speaker 1: they had taken the time to lock the building up.
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  Speaker 1: That's why whenever Mary went back into the building she
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  Speaker 1: used her key to unlock it. She didn't even notice
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  Speaker 1: it didn't wouldn't have even thought anything was wrong. So
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  Speaker 1: this whole crime scene was just very confusing to police.
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  Speaker 2: Police interviewed Brandy and Don. Brandy just so happened to
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  Speaker 2: show up at the flower shop to visit her mom
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  Speaker 2: and came upon the crime scene.
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  Speaker 1: Which is horrific. Like she's just coming up there, She
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  Speaker 1: didn't know anything about this. She just is going up
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  Speaker 1: there to visit her mom and comes upon like police
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  Speaker 1: crime scene units, everything blocked off. I mean just shock.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So her grandmother had to comfort her out in
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  Speaker 2: front of the building and telling her that her mom
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  Speaker 2: was dead.
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  Speaker 1: And they caught it all on, like the news channels
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  Speaker 1: obviously were there because they got word of this, and
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  Speaker 1: so they're recording them while they're graving finding out and
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  Speaker 1: the grandma's having to tell Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So Brandy told police that she had spoken to her
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  Speaker 2: mom on the phone that morning and that she told
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  Speaker 2: her daughter. Never told Brandy that she had to go,
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  Speaker 2: that someone was at the door. She hung up the
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  Speaker 2: phone and that was the last time she talked to her.
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  Speaker 2: Brandy said she spoke with her mom at eight thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Deborah's mom had left the store at around eight fifteen.
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  Speaker 2: Police believe this reduced the time of the murder to
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  Speaker 2: just fifteen minutes, from somewhere between eight thirty to eight
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  Speaker 2: forty five. This tells police that Deborah was actually targeted,
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  Speaker 2: that this wasn't some random attack, because the killer couldn't
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  Speaker 2: have done this in such a short amount of time
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  Speaker 2: without planning it out. They believed that the killer had
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  Speaker 2: been watching the shop and knew exactly when to enter
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  Speaker 2: or come knocking on the door.
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  Speaker 1: Well, hey, they obviously they're not going to know when
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a regular thing for Mary to leave and
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  Speaker 1: go get breakfast or orange juice or whatever every morning.
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  Speaker 1: But they believed that whoever this was had seen Deborah
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  Speaker 1: started watching and was waiting for that already had a
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  Speaker 1: plan in mind what they were going to do, how
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  Speaker 1: they were going to implement this. But they just had
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  Speaker 1: to sit there and watch and wait for the perfect
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  Speaker 1: time that the shop would be it would just have
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  Speaker 1: Deborah in it. Now, police received a call from a
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  Speaker 1: woman stating that her boyfriend confessed to the killing. So
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  Speaker 1: this is a big break for police. He told his
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  Speaker 1: girlfriend that he had been in the Diamond Shamrock gas station,
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  Speaker 1: which is just across the street from the Flower Shop,
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  Speaker 1: at around eight thirty that morning. Now, this was later
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  Speaker 1: confirmed by video footage from the gas station. They were
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  Speaker 1: able to pull it up see the man at the
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  Speaker 1: gas station purchasing items. The man was an acy repairman
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  Speaker 1: that worked in a shop just around the corner from
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  Speaker 1: the Flower Shop, so Debor could have been familiar with
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  Speaker 1: the man and let him in. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: he had possibly could have worked been a repairman there
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  Speaker 1: at some point or just she's familiar with him seeing
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  Speaker 1: him around. The girlfriend said that he was a very,
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  Speaker 1: very violent man and that she was afraid of him.
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  Speaker 1: So they brought him in and he told police that
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  Speaker 1: he had just made up the whole thing, that it
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  Speaker 1: was just a bad jokes dude to his girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Just like, uh, yeah, I killed it, so funny.
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  Speaker 1: But basically, what the guy, he was a very violent
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  Speaker 1: There's a baby on my lap, everybody, So if you
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  Speaker 1: hear a coup we told her we a coup or
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  Speaker 1: two was acceptable, but she cannot full on start or babbling.
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  Speaker 1: If she does that, she has to go. She's been
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  Speaker 1: strictly warned. So anyway, so basically, the guy is an
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  Speaker 1: asshole and he's violent with his girlfriend. So he's using
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  Speaker 1: this whole thing to scare the girlfriend, be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I killed this woman everything that. So please take take
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  Speaker 1: a DNA sample and run it against the DNA they
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  Speaker 1: collected from the crime scene. Crime scene, but it was
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  Speaker 1: not a match. This guy just completely made this up to.
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  Speaker 2: Scare the shit out of his girlfriend. Yeah, police had
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  Speaker 2: just wasted their time on this false lead, so they
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  Speaker 2: continue to look for more evidence to lead them to
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  Speaker 2: the actual killer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they spent time going in subpoenian or asking
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  Speaker 1: for the footage from the gas station, confirming that it
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  Speaker 1: was him bringing to everybody in an interview running the
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  Speaker 1: DNA test. I mean it was a lot of wasted effort.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just because this girlfriend. Yeah, hopefully she broke up
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  Speaker 2: with him and then go back hopefully.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've heard they've been married for twenty two years now.
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  Speaker 2: They had eight kids, happily all in prison. No, when
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  Speaker 2: they had another case come across their desk. This was
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  Speaker 2: an attack on a nineteen year old girl who worked
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  Speaker 2: at a tailor shop. A man entered the store pretending
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  Speaker 2: to be a customer. He pulled out a butcher knife
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  Speaker 2: and he threatened the woman. He made her undress and
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  Speaker 2: then he made a perform a sexual act. He then
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  Speaker 2: asked her what age she was, and she lied to
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  Speaker 2: him and she said that she was fourteen years old.
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  Speaker 2: He then said, you're too young. Then he tied her
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  Speaker 2: up and he left. So I guess he didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to kill somebody that young once he.
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  Speaker 1: Mind like sexually assaulting her.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well he didn't ask how old she was still
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  Speaker 2: after the fact.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because he would have just let it go before.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know well, he's an idiot. Why would he
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  Speaker 1: believe a fourteen year old d be at a tailor
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  Speaker 1: shop by herself running it like, I don't understand that.
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  Speaker 2: Once he was gone, the girl called police and she
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  Speaker 2: was able to give a very good description of her attacker.
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  Speaker 2: When to techtives work in the Deborah McCormick case heard
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  Speaker 2: the description, it sounded very similar to the guy that
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  Speaker 2: they had received a tip on at the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: their investigation, a fellow by the name of Michael Derwood Griffith.
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  Speaker 2: The person who called in, told police that Michael had
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  Speaker 2: been abusing and assaulting women all of his life and
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  Speaker 2: just recently had an arrest warrant put out for him.
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  Speaker 2: Police were busy following up on more promising leads, so
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  Speaker 2: Michael went on the back burner, which seems like, well.
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  Speaker 1: They were getting a bunch of tips and they didn't
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  Speaker 1: really have anything. I guess they just had so much
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  Speaker 1: coming in. They had the girlfriend coming and saying that
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Says that, and well that that was more promising.
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  Speaker 1: This wasn't a short period of time. This is only
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  Speaker 1: like a couple weeks after the murder, so they are
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  Speaker 1: it's not like.
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  Speaker 2: They're trying to work through them as quick as possible. Now.
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  Speaker 2: Police contact the man that called in the tip, and
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: he told police that he had owned a cleaning business
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: with Michael, and he cleaned out the business bank account
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and took off off and he had not seen him
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: in weeks. Now, why would this guy open a business
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: with the guy that he said has been assaulting women
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: all his life? All life.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you're just like, you know what, maybe he's a
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: good business guy. Though I don't know.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just a shitty person, but maybe he's
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: got good by cleaning business.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Plus not to mention, if the police found that out,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: they might have thought this guy was just calling because
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: he was mad about the whole situation and trying to
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: turn this guy in, you know, to get him in
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: trouble because he took all his money at the business account.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: So could be. But this is a and police getting
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: back around and getting to the guy after he called
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: him the tipton.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't know how much information the guy
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: gave the first time around. Did he say he also
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: stole all my money? You know, like I would have
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: mentioned like if he could, I think he did this
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and he stole my money. The police like, Okay, this
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: could be it, but he's this could just be like
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: a guy with a gross.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Or maybe he stole all my money and I think
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: he killed that girl.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we don't know what order he put
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: it in, all right, So the police they bring in
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: a photo of Michael for the teenage victim at the
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: tailor shop to look at, and she immediately confirms it's him, Like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: right off the bat, she knew it. He's not even
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: covering up his face when he's doing this. How stupid
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: is he. They then bring in Mary, Deborah's mother to
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: see if she recognizes the man well. She tells police
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: that he is one of their regular customers and he
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: had been to the shop numerous times purchasing roses. He'd
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: always requested that Deborah wait on him, but it was
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: one of those things. I guess he wasn't creepy with it,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like some men are. Just when you're trying
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: to run a business and sell some stuff. If you
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: got some regular guy that's spending seventy eighty bucks on flowers,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: then if they want you to wait on you're like, sure,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to pay the bills. It's fine, you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: there's just it's just some things. You just like whenever
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I was a waitress and stuff like that, there'd be
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: people that wanted me to wait on him. Not that
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I I don't feel like I.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Was like I was like a man stalked.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: No, I just they're just people that and then you're like, oh,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: well they'll tip me really well, So sure, I don't
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: really care. So we had the baby had to leave
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the recording studio she is, and by recording studio, I
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: mean our like our office slash crappy recording setup. So anyway,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: so Deborah, you know, the mom had seen this man
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: a bunch of times. Deborah had waited on him multiple times.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: He's a regular. So therefore Deborah definitely would have trusted
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: him if he had come to the door to purchase flowers.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: With Michael now their prime suspect, they began looking into
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: his past. Now to their surprise, they found out he
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: was a former sheriff's deputy. He actually served for about
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: ten years leading up to nineteen ninety three when he
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: was finally removed due to domestic violence allegations, and I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: believe he was actually charged with it. So then they
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: removed him from the Sheriff's department, So they begin trying
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to track down Michael, but he was nowhere to be found.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: They then receive a call from Mary and she had
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: received some credit card statements of her husband's and there
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: were several charges she did not recognize that started after
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Deborah's death. Mary finds out that Deborah had actually barred
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: her dad's credit card and she had a couple of them,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I think four in total, but and the killer had
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: stolen those, but it had gone unnoticed at the initial
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: crime scene because Mary didn't know that Deborah had those
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: until she sees these credit card statements. The charges started
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: within hours of Deborah's murder. The killer had been purchasing
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: jewelry and gifts. Also, just fyi, the baby is back
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: in the room. She did not take kindly to being
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: removed from the recording studio. Who I am, Yes, I'm
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the talent. So there's there's jewelry and gifts being purchased.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: So please find out that he had been spoiling his
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: new girlfriend. Michael's new girlfriend a stripper named Linda Smith,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: or as I typed it, a.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Stipper coming to the main stage. Now, gentlemen, put your
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: hands together for Linda's.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Well, she think she needs the stipper big stipper lip Linda.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so Linda's not a very good stage name. No,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: they bring Yeah, Linda Smith is just maybe she had
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: a diamond. If we have anybody out there with those names,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: we apologize, but you've probably heard that joke before, so
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So they bring Linda in for questioning,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and she said she had what's wrong with you?
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: That's where we met.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: With the strip club. No, we did not. You were
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: so full of shit. Don't put that out there. That's
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: false news. That's fake news. So she had met him
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: at the club around the time of Deborah's murder, and
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: so Michael had started bringing her jewelry and treating her
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: to dinners, just like spending all this money on her.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: And Linda said she did notice that he always used
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: a credit card, which nowadays wouldn't be that weird, but
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: this is nineteen ninety four, so they're not as like
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: prominent back then, like I think more people had cash
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: or check. So she did note that he was paying
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: with a credit card because that was probably like kind
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: of like a big move, you know, to have a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: credit card. Back then, I feel like not everybody had
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: credit cards face car Okay, well that's I guess that
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: was the beginning of America's dead crisis credit card credit card. Yeah. Anyway,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: so she's being treated to all this, she thinks he's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: like great and everything getting spoiled. Then she does recall
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: him throwing trying to throw away a shirt, and so
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: she sees the shirt and she picks it about the trash,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: and she asked him about it, and he says it
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was a crazy ex girlfriend's and he was just trying
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to get rid of it. And so Linda said that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: after she had the whole shirt incident, because the shirt
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I believed had like some tear marks in it and
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: like red on it, so it was a little bit
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: weird looking. After she kind of asked him about that,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: she said that he just kind of ghosted on her
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: and just she didn't say ghosted, that's the current term
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: of the gen Zer saying, so he just kind of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: went away. She didn't really hear from again after the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: whole thing. I guess it felt a little too like
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: she was asking too many questions too, she knew too much.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: He might have had to kill her.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Too, and he liked her. Yeah, his favorite stripper.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: It's his favorite stripper. Yeah, for sure. Those Pandora charm
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: bracelets can tell you what. Yes, if you are a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: husband or boyfriend, do not buy your wife or girlfriend
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: one of those charm bracelets. Despite what the Christmas commercials say,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: do not buy them one. Those are No. Nobody wants that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: You don't know, I don't know I'm wearing these things.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I've bought you one like a couple of years ago,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and I've been buying the little charms ever since.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Anyways, But yeah, nobody wants that, You're sure. Also, nobody
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: wants the little heart shaped necklaces at Valentine's Day. Nobody
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: wants those.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: What about the human sized teddy bear?
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: No wants that?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Or the pajamagram from the state of Vermont.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody wants the Vermont teddy Bears. This baby is
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: on the floor. She just rolled around, kicked the trash
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: can over. She's out of control.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Police continue to track down the credit card charges and
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: it leads them to a hotel room under the name
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Bill Ringer, which is Debora's father's name. They go to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: the hotel room and Michael Griffith gives himself up without
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: a fight.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I guess. I guess. Also, we didn't have online tracking,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: so the credit card you wouldn't have noticed these charges
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: racking up because now you get alerts or something. But
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing they just would keep a register and then
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: just go through the credit card statement at the end
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: of the month.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Well they have to contact the company and see what
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: was coming in in real time.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't, So you wouldn't notice any of these
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: things because it was nineteen ninety four.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's way back in the day, like the
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Stewart It's.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Like nineteen ninety four, we're old. That was thirty years ago.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it was thirty years ago. But I
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: had a credit card and or two I had a
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: phone car that you had to call. You punch in
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: a thousand numbers to make your phone call.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, like a payphone. Yeah, oh oh, I remember calling cards.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Those were big.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, those were big. That's how you paid for all
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: your long distance charges or yeah whatever, Yes, had that
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: credit card. You make it sound like eighteen hundreds, though
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: it feels like it kind of does.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Someday the joints feel like it was the eighteen hundreds.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: Getting even back to our story. Upon searching the hotel room,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: they find a butcher knife under the match tress. The
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: butcher knife had blood on it. They're pretty certain this
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: is the weapon that was used in the murder of Deborah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: They collect the knife for testing, They send it off,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: and they continue to search the hotel room and the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: outer perimeter. Just a few miles away, they find Michael's car.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Inside the car is a receipt for a dozen red
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: roses from the Always and Forever Florist, which is Devorah's
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: floral shop.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: This guy just didn't get rid of any of the evidence.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: This is like insane. He wasn't trying to cover this
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: up at all. It's like he just did it and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: then he's just going for it, you know, like whatever
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I can get away with them the next month with
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: my stripper girlfriend.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: And the stolen credit card. Yeah. Yeah. Even more incriminating
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: than the receipt. The receipt actually has the date of
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the murder on.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It, as receipts tend to have dates on them.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Stairs. Yes, so this proved to the police that he
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: was there that day. Well, I mean, if he was
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a regular customer going on there, that was whatever day. Yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: but no, the one that they find is the date
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: of the murder, so police, you know, proves to him
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: that he would there that day. And it's another piece
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: of evidence and a long list that is piling up
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: against Michael.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yep. So they received the testing back from the knife
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and it has a positive match to Debor's blood. So
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: this is the smoking gun if you will do the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: bloody knife. So they charged Michael with first degree murder
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: of the Due to the nature of the crime, the
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: prosecutors are seeking the death penalty, which this is Texas
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: so and I believe thee the death penalty had just
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: been put back into that you could go for the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: death penalty in nineteen ninety two in Texas because there
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: was like a time period it was off the table.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I think when did the Looby's things happen?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: The Louby oh in Henderson or Huntsville or whatever.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: The gun, yeah, I don't remember when.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: They got one in there on a rampaid. And then
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that was whenever they could have guns in Texas, but
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: you couldn't carry them. So the one lady that was
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: in there, her parents were killed and she had a
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: license to carry, but she couldn't carry it into the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Loubi so she left it in the car so she
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: wouldn't get in trouble. Okay, as a sidetrack. Well, I mean,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that that they brought back the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: death penalty because of the Lubi's thing, or that's why
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Lubies came up, because it was somewhere back in the nineties.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I thought that they reinstated the death penalty after that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Stu.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I guess you should have looked that up.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: No, you should have looked it up before talking about
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: before you were rambling down a hole that. We don't
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: know any of the facts about that. We don't know
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: if any of anything that you just said is true
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: or not. Maybe we'll have to cover the lubies one though.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: We iced to eat at Lubi's. Now, this is a fact.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: We used to eat at Loubi's after church whenever I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: was a kid, and I used to have the the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: shoot uh fish. It was like fish alamande or something
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: like that, and it had like this mayonnaise thin mayonnaise
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: topping on it it with like I used to love
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna pack up the family and go to Lob's.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I don't there's not gonna make loobies that are around
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that much. But my mom, I guess remember whenever she
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: was whenever we would do that. So whenever she was sick,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: you know, when she had the brain cancer, she we
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: would go to Louby's a lot in Houston because there
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: was there's like these Loubies expresses or whatever, and she
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: always wanted to go eat at Louby's because I guess
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: she just like it brought back memories of us going
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: like when we were kids and stuff like that. Not
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: to be depressing or anything like that since she was
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you know, had the had the cancer. Anyways, So this
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with Loubies. So they he's he's
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: they're going for the death penalty now. During opening statements,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Michael's attorney said, this isn't about He's like flat out
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: just says, this isn't about guilt or innocence. This is
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: about saving a man's life because basically they know that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he's guilty. There's not really any argument they're gonna find
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: him guilty with all the evidence up against him. They're
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: just trying to convince the jury at this point not
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to sentence him to death. Well, it didn't work. In
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: December of nineteen ninety five, he was sentenced to death
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: after many a hills and then going nowhere. On June sixth,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, Michael Griffith was executed by lethal
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: injection in Texas, and both the daughters were there. I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: believe the mom was there and Deborah's ex husband was
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: there to witness this execution.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: So well, good riddance to my Yeah.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just sad he got to hang around.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: For another what's that forever?
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: That's ten, twelve, twelve years he got to hang around.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah whatever. Anyways, all right, stude, do you have a
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: y'all need Jesus for us?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I do. It's somewhat of a crap show. We're gonna
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: have to read the guy. I got the story in
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the one and then what he got sentenced to on
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the other.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So well, let's just pile it onto the crap show
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that was this.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Plus, whoever the hell's driving around outside our window
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: with that? A damn.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: We should not be living this close to people we
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: This is not this guy's got to be like ten
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: blocks over this.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I know that, but I'm just saying, I need to
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: be on several acres of land where there's nobody around me,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: is what I need.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: So you can be murdered. No one finds your bike
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: for a week.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Better than being murdered right here in the neighborhood and
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: having a live.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Having all these neighbors looking at us. Yeah, because our
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: body gets drug out.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, all tid the privacy of my own acreage that
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: my body gets dragged out of the house after I've
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: been murdered, not a bunch of LOOKI low neighbors and
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: ended up on the freaking Facebook group.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Oh check out my neighbors.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Did everybody see what happened? And then for the next month,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: but you're talking about me on the Facebook group? No
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I died?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. This is coming to us from the AP.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Updated on August sixteenth, twenty twenty four. Man who pulled
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: gun after burger king worker wouldn't take drugs for payment
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: gets one hundred and forty three years in prison.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: One hundred and forty three yes, wow.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Florida, not Florida, not Florida, Denver. A man who was
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: convicted of pointing a gun at a burger king and
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: drive through worker who would not accept drugs for payment
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: and later shooting at other people elsewhere the same night
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: has been sentenced to one hundred and forty three years
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: in prison.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: He should be in prison right now just for going
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to Burger King.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, Yeah, that quality has gone.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Whopper used to be the bomb dot com.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: How it is not, and the fries suck.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Like Texas Whopper with the Jlapanios on it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that, but I remember that Whopper, man,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: It really hit the spot, you know that double waffer.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Now it's just it's not I don't even know what
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the hell it is.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Well, no fast food is good anymore. We don't eat
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: fast food hard.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I mean it is raisin canes.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, we'll do raisin canes. And I love Chick fil A,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: so those are our But that's it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: There's no five guys, I'll do five.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: That's not really fast food.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: No, because it's really expensive too.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: But we also can't eat there because our son's allergic
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to peanuts or he's going to get tested to hopefully
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: grew out of it. But yeah, they have the open
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: peanuts all over the place, so we can't really eat there.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Because it could possibly be in the food. But yeah,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: all the and the fast food is like way too
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: expensive now too. That's a whole nother subject. So we
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: don't eat fast food anymore, not to mention it's bad
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: for you. But not raisin canes, not Chicken Fila either,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: that's the Lord's chicken.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: There's no calendies now, prosecutors are now what am I saying?
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Prosecutors who announced the sentence Thursday said the drive through
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: in incident was the beginning of a series of crimes
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: that Eugene Robertson carried out in the Denver suburb of
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Aurora on October seventeenth, twenty twenty two.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Well that's a bad place to do it too, But
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: there are are going to throw the book at you
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: because that's where that movie theater shooting was. So they're
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: not going to be playing around with anybody.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, they went to look for him because because we've
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: got to tell the story from the Aurora a Sentinel now,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: which is from April eighteenth, twenty twenty four, as well
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: from a fellow by the name of Max Lee.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But they gonna they're not gonna
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: play around with someone shooting in that area after the
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: history in that town.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened. Well, I mean, I don't understand what
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: happened here with the Sentinel not telling us the sentence. Well,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: we're gonna read that because this is where all the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: dumb shit comes from.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: That.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Well, Eugene needs to find Jesus. Hopefully he'll find it
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: in prison. An Aurora man faces more than four hundred
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: years in prison for a late night crimes free that
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: began when he pulled into a gun on a burger
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: king worker for refusing drugs. Possibly meant the end four
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: hundred years. Well, see, I don't understand because these stories
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: came out the same day, the AP and this one.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: He was sentenced in the AP story, and I guess
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the sentence hadn't come down when they Aurora Sentinel wrote
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: their piece. Okay, So Eugene Robertson, forty would go on
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to fire multiple shots and narrowly avoid being shot himself
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: during a series of bizarre comps pfrontations that he instigated
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: on the night of October seventeenth, twenty twenty two. Robinson
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: was found guilty April twelfth of eight counts of attempted
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: first degree murder with extreme indifference, four counts of menacing
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: using a firearm, and two counts of reckless endangerment, as
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: well as single counts of illegally discharging a firearm, possessing
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: of meta amphetamine, and harassment. Had to get the harassment
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: in there just for good measure, Yeah, the police said.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine how traumatized these victims were, not knowing
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: whether the defendant would pull the trigger while pointing a
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: gun at them. I commend the Aurora Police Department for
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: quickly apprehending this dangerous defendant and ending his crime spree.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: The employee of Burger King near Alameda Avenue and Buckley
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Road told police he believed he was going to be
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: shot and killed after turning down Robertson's offer of a
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: baggie of drugs. Instead, Robertson drove away and pulled up
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to the seven eleven at northwest corner of the intersection.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: They said that Robertson dropped the baggie of dope at
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the seven eleven. It was recovered by police which contained
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: about five grams of meta amphetamine, and it resembled the
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: baggy the Burger King employee talked about a witness later
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: told police that when Robertson and entered the seven eleven
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: there seemed to be something off about him, and that
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Robertson was talking about God and carrying a Bible and
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: his Jesus chicken. Oh God, no, he wasn't. He was
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: carrying a Bible with a purple cover.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Robertson to say, he did not try to change the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: drugs at the Chick fil A. Now, if he'd done that,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: then he's on the Lord's team.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Robertson and the witness.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: They would have kindly just taken the drugs though, and
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: blessed him and then bless you.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Now. Robertson and the witness got into an argument, and
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Robertson again drew his handgun and pointed at the head
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: of the seven eleven employee. Robertson then shot a television
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: screen that was displaying surveillance camera footage of inside the store.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Well, that's not how that works. So does he realize
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that that doesn't stop the actual surveillance of the Well,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the cameras just because you can see that's the the
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: witness said.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: He seemed off. So the witness ran out through a
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: side door and retrieved his own handgun. From his car.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: When Robertson walked outside, they started shooting. He started shooting
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: at the witness who returned fire, so they were shooting
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: at each other. Had a little gun battle outside of
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: seven eleven for the brief gun battle during which neither
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: man was hit. Following the brief gun battle.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Why did we have to read two news stories for this?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Because we had to get the sentencing in and then
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: this has all the details drink of what he actually
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: did to earn this sentence, because the ap story just
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: says make you think he offered a guy drugs and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: got a shit ton of time.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: This goes into details, details, dream of what all he
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: actually did.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: To earn the sentence. YA About fifteen minutes after responding
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: to the seven eleven shooting, in less than an hour
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: after they were called up to the Burger King, Aurora
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Police officers were dispatched to yet another nine to one
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: one call involving Robertson, this time from a woman who
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: reported that her friend Eugene just shot at her apartment.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: The real crimes. His gun's name is Eugene. That's just
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: not a hardened criminal name.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: You don't think, no, you know anybody named Eugene.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do with someone with the middle name Eugene. Now, yeah,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: it's definitely not hardened criminal.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: The woman said Robertson knocked on her front door, and
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: when she refused to open it, he fired at the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: door twice. He also shot once through the sliding glass
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: door into the woman's apartment, where multiple people were present.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Robertson lived in the same apartment complex located less than
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: a mile. Officers found the Audi that the witnesses said
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: was involved in the two previous inosentence partner. But I
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: guess Eugene was driving an Audi out there while investigating.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: She's just willing to give up. He's just casually giving
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: up drugs for Burger king. He must have like plenty
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: of drugs to.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Sell to sell or I don't even know what's going on. Yeah,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: he might have got into his I'm.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Gonna need some myths to make it through this story.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: If you don't hurry up, because I'm like this better
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: not turning no show. Jones interruptions again. I swear to
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: God Jesus married building up.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: We watched a movie last night, the Katiya and Harley
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: documentary on Netflix, and what a freaking like just a
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: snoozefest and we're waiting for this big reveal, and it's like,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, is this what we is? This what we
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: made it through for?
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, We're almost down with.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: This. Feels very similar situation is till last night.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Anyway, Eugene was spotted, tried to escape on foot through
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: a bush, emerged from the bush. An officer shot at
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: him but missed. Robertson was then arrested. During his arrest,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Eugene said he was not physically hurt, but his feelings
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: were hurt. According to the police, after David, After David,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: David is well, there's a bunch of other stuff about
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: questioning handgun mid Well, I don't know what. Eugene had
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: a rap sheeting, so there's that as well.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: So Eugene's in prison.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's stuff that's hilarious in here. It's
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: just long. In March of twenty twenty one, there's a
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: case where Robinson was allegedly involved in a vehicle crash
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and a shooting. He fled the scene, removed or lost
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: his pants, and flagged down an Aurora police officer who
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: arrested him on suspicion of illegally possessing a firearm. Police
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: wrote in the affidavit there that with that case that
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: he had consumed marijuana and alcohol prior to encounting officers,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: which would have been a violation of a prior a
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Wrap County court order. Robinson was also spontaneously uttered that
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: he was wearing white Nike tennis shoes and blue jeans
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: prior to our arrival, so he was like, all messed
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: up in a mile a road.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Hey see, Okay, here's the things do on.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: A prior charge. You're just we're going to prior charges. Now.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I know we're not going to prior charges because what
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: you should have done is read the story and then
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: summarized it if that's what you wanted to talk about,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: because instead we just wasted all our time. Read you do.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: That's what y'all need, Jesus is the news article?
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: All right? Well we're moving on from next week ago.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: We're going swimming, are we? Yes?
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 42:27
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• 42:46
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• 42:52
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• 42:56
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• 43:01
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• 43:11
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• 43:14
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