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Ayurveda, Trauma, Psychedelics and Consciousness with Dr. Nibodhi · Reclaiming Consciousness

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  SPEAKER_01: The human construct has only been here 300,000 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a very, very minuscule amount of the whole of creation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everything that's ever been here on this planet has gone extinct.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we act and treat each other like we're going to be here forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: God created itself in all this expanded universe to play with itself, to know itself in all this creative form.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all creative, it's all love.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Reclaiming Consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Elise Bassine, trauma and breathwork expert and creator of the Metamorphosis Method, the only methodology bridging the gap between spiritual healing and clinical trauma work.
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  SPEAKER_00: For many years, our consciousness has been hijacked by societal and cultural programming, religion, the media, and familial and ancestral trauma.
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  SPEAKER_00: In this podcast, you'll discover my unique perspective on trauma healing and how it is the gateway to fully reclaiming your consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: You'll hear stories and teachings that expand your mind as you discover how every relationship challenge, business block, or limiting pattern is an invitation to reclaim the parts of your consciousness you unknowingly gave away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Get ready to go deep.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now let's dive in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone, welcome back to the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I am very, very excited for today's guest because we haven't quite touched on this topic on the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: And also I've known him for a long time and I'm really excited to have him here.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we have Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nabode with us today, who is an Ayurvedic practitioner, naturopathic doctor, and a very special individual who you're gonna meet today and you're gonna learn a lot from.
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  SPEAKER_00: So welcome to the show, Nabode.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was trying to think like how long I've even known you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's been a long time.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't even remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe a couple of decades.
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  SPEAKER_00: Something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think recently, too, since you've aren't in India as much, it's easier to kind of connect.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm happy you're here.
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  SPEAKER_00: And why don't we just start out?
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  SPEAKER_00: If you can just share just, you know, a little bit about you and kind of the synopsis of what brought you to where you are today and how you ended up doing all that you do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I actually grew up with natural medicine, growing our own food, growing our own herbs, making our own medicine.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I was 16, I had a realization that that's actually what I was supposed to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I finished high school and went to college immediately to start studying healing and medicine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Originally I went for psychology, which I've come back to, but then it got into Chinese medicine, naturopathy, yoga, and that led me to Ayurveda.
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  SPEAKER_01: And basically since 1997, my main focus has been on Ayurveda as an overall foundation for everything else.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it really does encompass all other healing fields, all other healing modalities, all of life, essentially.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I went really deep into Ayurveda, went to India, spent the majority of the last 20 years in India volunteering at a nonprofit humanitarian charitable naturopathic and Ayurvedic clinic.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm back here in the United States and offering myself full-time to the whole world, not just the small spiritual community I was part of, or still am part of, but I'm branching out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for people who might be like novices or might have heard of Ayurveda but don't exactly know, can you just give everyone like an overview of what is Ayurveda?
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  SPEAKER_01: The word Ayurveda itself means the wisdom or knowledge of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in yoga, there's Ashtanga yoga, eight limbs of yoga, not just the physical postures of Ashtanga yoga, but there's eight limbs of yoga.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's eight limbs of Ayurveda as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one part of that is the internal medicine, the herbs, the diet, all the practices that people may have heard of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ayurveda also has a major part on psychology for understanding the nature of the self.
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  SPEAKER_01: So ultimately, what Ayurveda aims to do is help us understand ourself in the fullness of our capacity as both a human being and a divine being, and a divine being having this incredible, transformative, sometimes very painful, sometimes very blissful human experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so Ayurveda gives us these foundational guidelines to one, understand how the karma mobile the human body works, how to operate it in the optimum way, and then how our consciousness works, how our psychology works, how our emotions work, how the mind works, and how all that works together.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ayurveda doesn't divide the body and the mind, the body and consciousness, soul, whatever you want to call it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It sees it as one unified field.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that's the overall very general two-minute view of what Ayurveda is here to do and what Ayurveda offers us.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is actually the oldest written medical system on the planet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Sanskrit is the oldest written language.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Sanatana Dharma, which is originally what Hinduism was.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hinduism was named by the Parliament of World Religions in Chicago in 1800 when Swami Vivekananda came to visit and give a talk, saying the man from Hindustan.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they named the Hindu religion everyone who lives on the other side of the Hindus River.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Sanatana Dharma, which is what Ayurveda and all the Vedic traditions come from, means the eternal way, very similar to the Tao.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not religious, it encompasses all people, all colors, all sexes, all belief systems.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's just like Ayurveda, it's a system of knowledge so we can know the self in our place in the cosmos.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow, there's a lot of things here.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for the purpose that I feel like we could probably have like a five-hour conversation.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things I really wanted to talk about with you that I think is so interesting is kind of like, you know, when you're talking about psychology, and obviously I'm specialize in trauma and like kind of where those two things meet, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like Ayurveda and trauma healing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then also, as you were talking, what I was thinking about, and I've been thinking about this a lot, is, you know, like when I first started on my journey, you know, like at 20 years old or whatever, and got into yoga and then discovered Ayurveda.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the beginning, my focus was so much around like what I was eating and like diet and herbs and all of those things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now I feel like it's really gone so much into the realm of just thoughts and energy and beliefs and all of those things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And not to say that food isn't important, like because I think that sometimes I'll kind of think that, even though, like, for me, I don't eat crap anyways.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I like to enjoy life, but that's just a norm for me, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's interesting because I feel like you can kind of go into it from the realm of looking at the physical, but then ultimately you get to this point where it's you realize it's so much deeper.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm curious your thoughts around that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, it's the same thing because everything in this universe is a vibration, every thought is a vibration.
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  SPEAKER_01: The five elements that make up our material world are a vibration.
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  SPEAKER_01: So even with the food, each food is composed of five elements and different frequencies, and each of those elements vibrates at a different level.
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  SPEAKER_01: And depending on the purity of the food or the impurity of the food, our emotions, the seat of our emotions is in the gut, where we produce most of our neurohormones, our neurotransmitters, neuropeptides, our serotonin, dopamine, our happiness and contentment hormone.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when we eat foods that are not in alignment with our body, that are filled with chemicals, pesticides, herbicides, all these things, it disrupts that gut intelligence, which disrupts our neurohormones, our neurotransmitters, neuropeptides, and our ability to self-regulate.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it actually does begin in the gut with the food.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the way Ayurveda sees it is not everyone's ready to change their diet and really spend all that time on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we can go either way.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can start with the basic foundations of the material world, which is the food which sustains the body, or we can begin with consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as the food becomes more pure, what we call sattvic, the consciousness becomes more pure and more sattvik.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not pure in the sense of holy and holier than thou, but just pure in the ability to perceive reality as it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of our trauma comes from misperception of the external world.
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  SPEAKER_01: As Gabor Mate says, trauma isn't necessarily because of what happened to us, it's what happened inside of us as a result of what happened to us, what we thought about ourselves, what we thought about the external world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our safety and security mechanisms got disrupted because of what we thought about the external world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those organs of perception were not purified enough, we're not cleansed enough to see it actually as it was.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as William Blake says, when the doors of perception are cleansed, everything will appear as it truly is, infinite.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then we can see what's actually happening versus the limited perception.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious too, in your own story, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like your own challenges that you've gone through, like when was it that you kind of got to the point of looking at the deeper layers of trauma and all of that stuff?
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  SPEAKER_00: And what was kind of like the catalyst for you to go down that road and like walk through some of those challenges, if you don't mind sharing, like what that journey was.
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  SPEAKER_01: My original core trauma happened when I was about a month old.
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  SPEAKER_01: My mom decided that she wanted to go back to work and put me in a cage, a crib, in a nursery with hundreds of other children who were also in the same situation.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was an underfunded nursery.
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  SPEAKER_01: So because I didn't cry, either because I was in shock or I had Buddha mind reserved from last life, probably some combination of both, I hope.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I wasn't held all day long and I wasn't breastfed.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was given some formula, and that's one thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And because I didn't have a prefrontal cortex at the time, no one did.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was no real understanding of what was happening, other than I'm not lovable.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why isn't someone holding me?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not lovable, and that created a series of patterns, what we call some scaras, grooves that form who we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Throughout my life, I did certain patterns, mainly around women, trying to get my mother's love back.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it really started changing with yoga.
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  SPEAKER_01: I grew up in San Diego, and so I had a friend who was really close with Deepak Chopra.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I started getting to go to the Chopra Center and even having private dinners with Deepak at our friend's house, and he would teach us breathing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in that, like I was 16 years old, and in that breathing process, doing so hung breathing, accessing places that were extremely painful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like the emotions were coming up, the issues in the tissues.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as I'm breathing consciously, those issues are coming to the surface.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, here's this, here's this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's an ongoing journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm still going through it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that I wasn't held until last year during a plant medicine ceremony.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had this vision of this because my mom had told me a story that I was held and that I was breastfed, because when my brother came when I was two and a half, she stopped working.
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  SPEAKER_01: She realized that that wasn't the right way and held him for two and a half years and breastfed him.
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  SPEAKER_01: So she lied to me my whole life until I had this vision.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I confronted her and turned out it was true.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then all these other pieces in my life made sense because I understood where these patterns came from.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't that I was just totally nuts and crazy, and that these patterns, I stopped believing that the patterns were who I was.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I want to talk about that for a second, but I also just want to go back to um the idea of like not being held and something that a lot of people might look at as benign, or how could that affect you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or also like, how could you actually like remember that?
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  SPEAKER_00: We do birth story in my work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And people always will remember, like they'll remember being in the crib and crying, or they'll see like the vision of it, and they'll remember being in the crib and crying and nobody coming.
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  SPEAKER_00: And what the perception is around that is like, well, yours was I'm not lovable, or it's like I'm alone, nobody is coming, nobody's here, and you know, I'm gonna die, essentially, is what it can come down to.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that creates like a profound level of just not feeling safe, and then kind of always either trying to prevent yourself from not being safe or trying to get safety somewhere, and you don't realize you're doing it because it's like there's no linear thought to it either.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just like an energetic imprint.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think those are some of the things that are really important to highlight in this work because a lot of times it's not about, oh, well, my mom did this to me or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's much deeper than that, and it's things that you wouldn't consciously remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's where Ayurveda and yoga are so profound, especially with the breath work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ayurveda yoga calls it pranayama.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But that's the expansion of our consciousness and it allows us access into those memories.
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  SPEAKER_01: It allows us access into the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: The body stores everything, not even just the physical body, the subtle body.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the yoga tradition, there's the chakras and the koshas, and these this is what we carry with us through birth after birth after birth.
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  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of stuff isn't even just this birth, but through yoga, through meditation, through plant medicine, through somatic experiencing, whatever it is, we can access those places.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that gives us a personal responsibility, then the ability to respond versus it.
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  SPEAKER_01: We stop reacting and we can't go back and get our mom to hold us.
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  SPEAKER_01: We can't go back and get someone to love us.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have to start doing that for ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what these techniques do is allow us the reclamation of ourselves and allow us the ability to examine ourselves and stop blaming someone else for why we're the way we are.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not how it's gonna be healing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then also I think what uh happens for a lot of people too is they're like unconsciously trying to get that need met in all their relationships and with other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when they don't, they're mad and they have some other story for why they're mad, but it's really that, but they're just not aware that they're trying to get that need met.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm curious for you when you mentioned like that moment when you realized that you weren't the pattern.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you describe that experience and like how you were functioning before what happened, and then how you function now?
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  SPEAKER_01: In that moment, it was literally like I was sitting in a dark room saying that there was no sunshine, and then someone opened the curtain, and then there was the sunshine.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was it was this aha moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: How I was functioning before, I was seeking something that I thought I was missing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I had that realization, it was it it switched from seeking to exploring.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the seeking was for the most part in unhealthy patterns, and that's what we can label as addiction.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're seeking something outside of ourself so we can feel okay inside of ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because there's a concept in yoga and Ayurveda called soma, the nectar of immortality.
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  SPEAKER_01: We know who we are, we know in the core of our being that we're pure bliss consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why aren't we having that experience?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so there's all these little somas, whether it's alcohol or cannabis or drugs or sex or shopping or binge watching Netflix, which I don't think we had when I was growing up, but whatever the thing is outside of ourselves, relationships one after the other, we seek that to feel okay inside of ourself.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there was that realization, nothing outside myself is actually gonna help me feel okay inside myself again.
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  SPEAKER_01: What I was doing, I was using this was around the age of 16.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was using a lot of cannabis, I was using a lot of alcohol, I was just starting my exploration into psychedelics.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was also having a lot of sex.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it was contained.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was with my girlfriend, but it was literally like used as a drug instead of a loving thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: We both were because she had her traumas.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we were both using each other as a tool to feel okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if we didn't have it every day, smoke some cannabis, have a couple shots of tequila, and make love for two, or have sex for two or three hours, then we weren't regulated.
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  SPEAKER_01: That would bring us for a temporary state, it would bring us back into a parasympathetic state where we got a small dose of the love, but it's only the tip of the iceberg.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so when that happened, and by divine grace, she was also part of this group of people that were getting to hang out with Deepak and do this breath work.
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  SPEAKER_01: We stopped doing a lot of those patterns or reduced those patterns and started focusing on the things that we wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, that's actually did begin the journey of psychedelics for me, but it also began the deep dive into yoga and into mysticism and into what's actually possible in a human framework.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, literally, it was like this moment of oh my God, this is truth, this is light.
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  SPEAKER_01: Love is actually the foundation, and all this other stuff is not.
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  SPEAKER_01: It allowed me to realize that the love is already there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it was a very tangible experience of unconditional love, that it's already there, and all I had to do was start removing everything else that wasn't that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that began the process.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that began the process.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I obviously it's an ongoing process.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm curious too, since you mentioned psychedelics, because I started exploring psychedelics around that age as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, obviously now psychedelics are a very different thing than they were back then.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like back then it was like, let's just take this and see what happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: There was nobody like guiding you through it or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I truly believe that that was actually my first like spiritual awakening was using psychedelics.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm curious, kind of your take on that in your experience, and then also like kind of the culture of it now, and like what is your perspective on it?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's also very interesting for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I truly feel like I have this bubble of divine grace around me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because at the time that I started doing it, I was almost immediately introduced to Ramdas.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the Tibetan book of living and dying, the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and the psychedelic experience that Ramdas and Tim Leary and all of them had come up with to take us into a Bardo state, a state of non-localized awareness.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so most of my psychedelics when I was young was reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead with intention, with ceremony to actually access these mystical realms that the yogis talked about.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, also back then it was highly illegal.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, we had to create a very safe container around that.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's openly talked about, it's openly accepted.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: The governor of Texas just opened it up.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: They're doing therapy with the veterans, with the Navy SEALs.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's really coming to the forefront of mind-body medicine.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I went to California in January, and they now have dispensaries in Oakland where you can go and buy psilocybin mushrooms.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's greatly accepted.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: And because of that, there's so much more funding where we can actually use it in clinical trials in clinical settings.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying that I never use it just for pure fun because I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I did too.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I did both of those.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like it was like I would take mushrooms by myself at my house and do like a deep exploration, but then also do them for fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it can be both, obviously.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I do think that some people, especially now that it's more like glorified or something, can act like they're doing it in the spiritual way, but it's actually just another way to escape.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: There has to be, from my perspective, there really it has such a potential to free human consciousness and to free us from the ongoing post-traumatic stress, the chronic complex post-traumatic stress.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: We can really use it with the proper intention.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like Ramdas always talked about set and setting.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so if our goal is truly healing, we can do meditation, we can do breath work, we can do trauma release therapy, somatic experiencing.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's so many practices we can do preparing ourselves for.
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  SPEAKER_01: The session, and then doing the session, and then an integration period before the next thing, and really seeing it as medicine.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one of my teachers told me, you only take medicine if you're not well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once you realize who you are and you have the tools to change the oil and rotate the tires and manage the system, they're not necessary anymore.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: So, same thing, you have a headache.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Native Americans, we would use white willow bark.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now they have aspirin, which was extracted from that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's temporary.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Ultimately, figuring out why the headache was there in the first place, right?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it can be used in this way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not against people taking it for exploration.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it needs to be in a safe place.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: It needs to be this the set and setting makes everything.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've never had a bad trip in my whole life because from day one, I've had the understanding that those were key components to having an experience that was transformative.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Even when I did it for fun, it was transformative.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I got messages because I was open to that.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't recommend going to some rave and taking these things.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think that can actually have very detrimental consequences to it.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it depends on also the group of people you're in.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many factors in it, but it can be the most profound transformative medicine we can have because ultimately, like I said before, it gives us access to us.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Pure self, not the patterns that we've developed.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it's very important actually for a lot of people to be able to access that because if they don't, then they're never seeing like that perspective.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so once you have that perspective, I think that is really important.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think one of the things I've seen with, you know, a lot of clients I've had or whatever is like the integration piece isn't there.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like they have the peak experience with doing an ayahuasca ceremony or whatever it is.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: But then it's like they saw the stuff, they understood all these things, but then nothing's actually changing in their lives.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the piece that I feel like is missing for certain people.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the hard part, actually.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's easy to like have that experience in a lot of ways, but then really being able to apply it so that your life changes.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's like the most important thing.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's when the work begins.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: After the ceremony.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then that's where a lot of like the trauma stuff comes in.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you really like being able to look at, okay, well, now I like experienced this thing up here, and now I'm down here.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, what's in between that I have to deal with so that I can access this more easily?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of the beauties of these medicines, because in the yogic texts and in the Ayurvedic text, it talks about these states of consciousness, these elevated states of consciousness.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: And these people didn't have tech, they didn't have all this stuff.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: These Rishis who realize this, they meditated 60, 80, 100, 150 years to get this information and wrote it down, telling us about it.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: And they did give us technology to get there.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: But what for me, the medicine does or did, was give me that experience that these states that they're talking about are actually real and they're attainable.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And they're attainable in this lifetime.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: We don't have to take birth after birth.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: We can attain those states of relative contentment and equanimity all the time, no matter what's going on in the external world.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious too about, you know, when you mentioned like birth after birth and all of that, and that whole cycle, like what is your take on what we bring in to this life?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: And also like, when does the cycle end?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what is your whole take on that?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because now there's like so much stuff out there about we're trapped here and this, like all that stuff.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Curious, your take on that.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, you have to have the belief or the understanding of reincarnation.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you don't believe in reincarnation, then this is it.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: And if this is it, then live in love as much as possible.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Not get what you can, love as much as possible.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting for humans because this round of the universe is supposedly about 14 and a half billion years old.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: The human construct has only been here 300,000 years.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's a very, very minuscule amount of the whole of creation.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: And to think that we're going to be here in this form, everything that's ever been here on this planet has gone extinct.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: And we act and treat each other like we're going to be here forever.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Part of that does come from the actual awareness that we are eternal, we are immortal.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: We've been there in the beginning and we will be there in the end.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: But what we bring with us, I truly believe the purpose of the human creation was so the supreme consciousness could have this experience of knowing itself through the many.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: As the Tao Te Ching says, out of nothing came the one, out of one came two, out of two came three, and out of three came all things.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_01: And the Vedic view of that is God created itself in all this expanded universe to play with itself, to know itself in all this creative form.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's all creative, it's all love.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so we have certain lessons.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: You go through preschool, junior high school, high school, postgraduate.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Each individual, as part of the whole, has certain lessons to learn.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: We have a curriculum.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so each life, it's like the period at the end of a sentence.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the end of existence, it's just the end of that sentence or the end of that paragraph or the end of that chapter.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Death is the end of a chapter.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_01: There's going to be a new chapter until the story's over.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now, I'm still here, so the story's not over for me.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: What I understand about it is that when we are done learning all the lessons, we merge back into the supreme universal consciousness, the supreme universal mind.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the Buddhists talk about this.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's two different major paths of Buddhism, Mahayana and Hinayana, the greater vehicle and the lesser vehicle.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: One says you free yourself, you get enlightened, and you merge back into the supreme consciousness and wait for all other souls.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: The other path says you are all of the other souls.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: There is no separate soul, there's just the one of us in drag.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you keep coming back.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: They take bodhisattva vows.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: You keep coming back to reincarnate to help everyone else, all the other parts of yourself, realize their true nature because you're not really free until every part of you is free.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: And so what we bring with us life to life is any unfinished lessons we didn't get.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: We will get the lesson over and over again, like in relationships.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: We keep attracting the same people in the relationship because we didn't learn the lesson in the previous one.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: We were blaming that person for all the problems in the relationship instead of looking at ourselves.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: When we look at ourselves and free ourselves from that pattern, we've learned the lesson.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's not good, it's not bad, it's not right, it's not wrong.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's no judgment in it.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's just we haven't graduated, we didn't pass the exam yet.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so what we bring with us is a combination from the Vedic view, it's a combination of the personality and the lessons not learned from the previous birth, and then a combination of the patterns of our parents, because they have certain patterns.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Very few people were created intentionally.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was created out of mother and father's desires and all the subconscious desires in them.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so that got implanted in the semen and the ovum and who we are, that the personality, which isn't who we actually are, it's kind of like the operating system, is a combination of those three things.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then the basically the first seven years of our life, and because we don't have a prefrontal cortex again, we learn about the world through osmosis on a cellular level and predominantly from the primary caregivers, right?
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so we learn by observing what our primary caregivers are doing, how they're interacting, how they're interacting with us.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where the foundation is in that core trauma is how they act with us is we we determine that that's part of who we are, which actually has nothing to do with who we are.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things I think is interesting about that too is from a trauma perspective, a lot of times it is again not something we observed or even took on, but something that we identified with.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, oh, well, my mom is angry, so I'm angry, right?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're like identifying with, because especially with like the mother, it takes a while for you to understand that you are not the same person as her.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because you literally were the same person as her for a while.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: And it takes an amount of time to realize you're not.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I think there's a lot of things that we unconsciously identify with as part of who we are that are not actually who we are.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's just we thought it was who we were because that's what our mother was.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: We do that all the time.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: We identify with our political party.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: On the left, I'm on the right, I'm in the middle, I'm from this country, I'm from that country.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is my religion.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: But those are literally just programs.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: They're like programs that have been uploaded onto the computer.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: We're still doing that.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: We've been conditioned into doing that.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: And basically, what breath work does, what somatic release, what all any of these paths do is updates the program.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: We stop running the subconscious programs and we become conscious of which programs we want to run.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: There was a study I just read, what you were saying about identifying with the mother, where a young child, as soon as they started getting the motor skills, someone would wave at the child, and the child didn't know that they were someone separate.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so they would go like this to themselves.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: That's profound.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: We still do that in so many ways.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: We even identify with our food.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a vegan, that's who I am, right?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_01: We identify who we are with our diets, or I'm a Republican, I'm a Democrat, I'm a liberal, we I'm a Denver Nuggets fan, whatever it is.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: We identify so much of who we are with all these external things.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And in beta, they have a concept of this.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Likes and dislikes were not our likes and dislikes.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: That's part of one of the programs.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_01: Why does someone like ice cream or vanilla or chocolate?
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's just part of the program.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: It has nothing to do with who we actually are.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's so true.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like it's like we're we're just constantly trying to figure out who we are.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're trying to find our way back to who we are.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: So like those things are like, oh, maybe I'm this, maybe I'm that.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: It kind of reminds me of, you know, I worked with middle school kids for so long.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I feel like middle school kids are the epitome of that state because they're going through the individuation process.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: So they're like, okay, well, I'm not my family anymore.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: And they're starting to like identify with their friends and they're trying on these different personas all the time.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's why like they'll always say, like, I'm like goth or I'm gay or I'm this or I'm that.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: They all do that.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember just like watching it all as a counselor and being like, yeah, okay, you do you.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it's just literally trying on these things to like try to figure out who they are beyond their family.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_01: And on some level, that's actually essential because we actually have to, in yoga and so many traditions, you're supposed to go beyond the ego, become egoless.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_01: You can't become ego list until you develop an ego.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: You have to have that foundation of separateness to get back to separateness.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the core fundamental wound, right?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Is separation from self.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: And just separation from source energy or feeling alone.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that, you know, for me, as I've gone deeper and deeper into my own process, I think ultimately it does come down to like feeling alone or disconnected is like that core wound.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that the like baby crying in the crib is such a representation of that feeling, you know, and I think that really solidifies that trauma of like, okay, now I'm separate from my mother, and now I like need that connection and I'm not getting it.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it creates that internal terror almost of like, I'm just alone in an abyss and nobody's coming and I'm completely disconnected.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: And it's fascinating because up until recently, modern psychology has been telling the parents don't go pick up your baby when they're crying.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Let them cry, let them cry it out, which is exactly the opposite of what we need to do to create a safe and secure human being.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's tribes in Africa.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: That baby doesn't leave a body, yeah, touching a body until they're two or three years old or even more.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: They're feeling that you're safe, you're secure, the universe has got you, your tribe, your family has got you.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: And in the Western mindset, really up until very recently, it was exactly given the opposite.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: And even this is crazy.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Guy tried to go to African countries and sell them strollers.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: And he couldn't do it because no one, no one wanted to put their baby in the thing.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you put your baby in America?
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Everywhere there's strollers, you're completely separated, you're pushing the baby.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's you and there's them.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: And the baby's crying, and you let the baby cry in the stroller.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Not only they're just moving through life unnavigated.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: So even the whole stroller concept, we stop carrying our children.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's funny.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I could go on and on about psychology because I feel like they don't, it's only recently that they even have recognized any kind of trauma, or that our childhood experience means anything, or child abuse, like any of those things were not recognized at all up until very recently.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: And also, like when I was getting my master's in counseling psychology, there was not one mention of trauma, not one mention of it.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's crazy how new this all is, just from like, like, I think obviously people have known about it for a while, but just in the way that it's actually like an official thing, like it's not really actually even recognized.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like the fundamentals to the human experience and why we do what we do or feel what we feel, and why the world looks the way that it does, and like nobody is really talking about it, really.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that also brings me to another question for you, too, from more of like a global perspective, or like what's happening in the world right now, from like an Ayurvedic perspective, but also your own perspective.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think is happening from an energetic level on the planet where we stand right now?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: One thing I just want to, before I end address that, in Ayurveda, the trauma, the childhood experience, that was always built into Ayurvedic healing.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: There was no physical, you could give all the herbs, the diet, the purification.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: If we weren't addressing the emotions in the mind, there wasn't a healing.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's always been built in there.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: But as far as what's happening now, it's interesting because I see it from a couple of perspectives or many perspectives.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: One is that nothing's happening, nothing different is happening.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: I know the Mahabharata War, one of the biggest wars in human history, that was several thousand years ago.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that was created by the same family, the like warring parts of the family, like like cousins were fighting each other over literally over a piece of land, really.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then we've always been having war.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: And what I actually think is that it's the same people, it's the same demons or the demon technology just reincarnating in new forms, but it's the same scenario, it's the same story, which is really why I encourage people to stop watching the news so much.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: As long as I've been on the planet, there's been never-ending war.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's been more or less war, but it's been never-ending.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think the difference now is that we have cell phones and we have media and technology.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's right in our faces.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Where in the 80s growing up, we didn't have computers, we didn't have cell phones, no one was filming it, but it was still going on.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Nothing's actually really changed that much.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so much is changing because what that's doing, what that technology is doing, is allowing people, the world wide web, it can bind us and ensnare us, and it can also connect us.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I see it, especially with the astrology changes this year, three massive planetary shifts this year, which we haven't seen in our lifetime.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: It is creating an awareness and awakening.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: In the last two decades, what we're talking about the breath work, the trauma healing, the somatic experiencing, the compassionate inquiry, the psychedelic movement.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: I did my first ayahuasca ceremony in 1996.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I literally did my last one in 2004.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's been 21 years.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: And back then it was like, you do ayahuasca, what is going on?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now it's like there's an ayahuasca ceremony in every street corner throughout the world.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: But ultimately, what I do see it as a planetary shift of awakening and ascension.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think, like in Atlantis or LaMurria, it's gonna be, or the Mayan civilization, it literally was there and then it wasn't.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: There was a global ascension or Shambhala in the Tibetan region, like the whole tribe got enlightened and just ascended.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that's happening, but an ascension in ourselves, an ascension from our lower tendencies, our lower dwelling in the shadow versus dwelling in the light.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I do see a massive awakening.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: And our goal is peace.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: The path is peace.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: The goal is not peace, the path is peace, the path is love.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: But just like everything changes, and we resist change so much.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: And right now, change is happening really fast.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: But I spent a lot of years in the Rockies in Colorado and New Mexico, and they have these beautiful trees called aspens.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: And in the fall, they change these magnificent colors.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: You're on the East Coast.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on the East Coast in one, two falls, and the trees just are a spectacular display of color and life.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: But that color is the beginning of death.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's the beginning of the death cycle.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: People fly from all over the planet to film death, to film the death of these leaves because it's so beautiful.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're failing to see the beauty in death, which is why we have such a negative view of old age and why we don't treat our elders properly.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: But death should be celebrated in the Algonquian tradition.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: My father's Algonquian, in the Algonquian tradition, they actually cry at your birth and celebrate your death.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: You graduated the program.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you came back.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't finish all the lessons last time.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Now you graduated the program.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm not saying that we should be celebrating bombs and war, not at all.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's our dharma, our purpose to point out and try to, the best of our ability, prevent a dharmic actions, these heinous acts of killing people because of the color of their skin, what side of the fence they live on, what name they want to call God.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's insanity.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's literally the definition of insanity.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: You're not sane, you're not functioning from a human conscious perspective.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: So ultimately, you have to change color and die, and it makes fertile soil for beautiful sprouts in the springtime.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe we're in a global fall, we're in the middle of the fall.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have the whole script in front of me, but it's a transformation.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: Or the the caterpillar, it's not tragic that the caterpillar goes into a cocoon for a while, it emerges beautiful.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Everything in this universe is changing.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: And when I start to get upset about anything, I have a Virgo mind.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: So I I really like quantum physics and I really like NASA satellite images.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: So we look at space.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: This is how I really see it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: I zoom out, I just zoom out from identification.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Our galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, has 300,000 solar systems in it.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_01: 300,000 solar systems.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's one galaxy.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: What we have been able to see with our James Webb telescope, the most powerful telescope, is 2.3 trillion galaxies.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: We can see 2.3 trillion trillion galaxies with this telescope.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: And they're saying that this is only three, they think this is 3% of the universe.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Now, just recently, they decided to aim this telescope into the very, very darkest part of space.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: And they thought there's nothing there.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you doing this?
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: And they had it for four days shooting this image.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: And the space that they were looking at, the hole was about in the black space, was the size of A straw.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: And the image they got back, they could count inside of this hole in the darkest part of space after three days, another 300,000 more galaxies.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: 300,000 galaxies in the straw in the darkest part of space.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Hard to fathom.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's impossible to fathom.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other aspect, it's not doom and gloom, but the nearest galaxy is Andromeda.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: And Milky Way and Andromeda are going like this towards each other.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so our galaxy has been here for 4.6 billion years, I think.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we're on a head-on collision.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: And in about 4 billion years, right around the time our sun no longer has any more power, Andromeda and Milky Way merge and become one galaxy, in which case most things in the galaxy will not exist.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: We're not in a really, really amazing incarnation in this human form.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we get a hundred years, good hundred years.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's nothing.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: The purpose is to love.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's the whole purpose.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: And so, really, back to the question: what's happening?
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: I see a transformation from the darkness to the light, but it's slow.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: We have to go through a winter and then we sprout again.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think ultimately, too, we are the creators of reality.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_00: So when we focus on all of the things that are going on out there, we just create more of that with our energy.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: Why not focus on what we want to create and how we want to feel in our lives?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why that's what I'm always intending and why I don't really put a lot of energy.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like I know what's happening and I have compassion and all of that, but I don't like to put too much energy in it because I don't want to feed that creation.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: I believe it was Gandhi said, be the change that we want to see in the world.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: We want to see love, we want to see light, we want to see healing and community.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's the energy we put out.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I think to some extent that darkness doesn't resist.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in a dark room, all you have to do is turn on a very little candle and now you can see again.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_01: Darkness is not something that resists light.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so if people are seeing darkness in the world, turn on the light, make the light brighter.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Not why is there darkness?
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Why is the curtain closed?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: Why is the light switch off?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Just turn on the light.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Turn on more light.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: No, I totally agree with you.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that whole idea of trying to figure out why is actually a trick.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's like, I think the game of whatever we're in is there's these moments where like you only inevitably will get to a paradox.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you get to that point, it's like you realize that like you're not gonna figure it out.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's the trick, is like to try to get you to try to figure it out.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then immediately you're you come to a paradox and you're like, oh yeah, there's no figuring it out.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I think a lot of people can get very wrapped up in that, whether it's from like a political perspective of what's going on in the world or like conspiracies or any of that stuff, it's like ultimately you're not gonna figure it out.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: No one's ever gonna figure out like exactly what the hell is going on here, and that's the point.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, to be in the present moment with what is right now.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is actually a major part of Ayurvedic philosophy.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: It says in the beginning was the unmanifest, and then from that unmanifest, Shiva, pure consciousness, and Shakti, the energy that creates the universe, all the manifestation arose.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's a unity, it's a unified field, but it's still a duality and it's a paradox.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: And it's great that people do it, but I identify as male, I identify as female, they them.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's an image in India of a being called Ardanarishwar.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's one form that's half male and half female.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_01: And even in the polarities of our brain, the masculine, feminine, the lunar, the solar, everyone is everything.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: We can literally access divine, masculine, divine feminine qualities anytime we want with a shift of perception.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: And like you said, the goal isn't to figure it out, the goal is just to be here, to be present, to be with what is and what's arising.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: And in the true spiritual path, it's not about bypassing anything, it's about feeling everything.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: So many people come, I want to feel better, I want to feel better.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: And one of my teachers shared with me, our goal isn't to help them to feel better, it's to become better at feeling.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love that.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's true because I feel like people do say that all the time.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_00: And to me, it's like, well, not only do you want to come become better at feeling, but you want to also be able to understand how to navigate feeling so that you can be the one having agency over it.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_00: And you can be like, oh wow, this feeling, I know what this means.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: I know how to move through it.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I know when I get to the other side, I'm gonna access more of my power, more of my being, and just understanding the nature of what that is.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_00: So you can like be with it instead of thinking that it's bad if you're upset.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awareness training.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's becoming conscious.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's not becoming conscious where we don't feel anymore, it's becoming conscious of all the things that are here and present and what's coming up.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: So again, it gives us the tools to respond versus react because reaction is based on our belief of the past being who we are or that experience determining who we are, where it's our responsibility to have the ability to respond.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's mindfulness.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're getting to the end here soon.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I I want to know too, like, because obviously I've worked with you and the Ayurveda side of things, but I know you're kind of like expanding what you do.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, how is it that you work with people now?
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like if someone wants to do a session with you or work with you in any way?
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: It depends on their needs.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: Some people really only want to know what foods their body needs.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like if you have a car, you need to know what gas to put in.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so some people come, they what's my body type?
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because everyone is unique.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: There's eight billion of us here.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: Ayurveda's everyone is unique.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: Not everyone can be vegan or paleo or pescatarian.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: There's not a diet in Ayurveda.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: The Ayurveda diet is the Elise diet, the Nabode diet, the John, Frank, Tom, Sarah diet.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's every person is unique.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: And so helping people to figure out what their unique body type is and what foods are going to support them.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: More and more, because I'm sending my attention out there, I want to work with people really on the deep soul level.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I've been calling in.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: So people who are ready to transform physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I do work with people, I give them breath work, pranayamas to do as per their unique constitution, because everyone's lung capacity is different.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's ability to move energy.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: If there's block chakras, block koshas, understanding where the blockage is, what's going to be the most effective and gentle tool to open that up so there's a free flow of energy.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: So working with people with yoga, with breath work, with meditation, with mantra.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: During the pandemic, I got to study with Gabor Mate, so doing compassionate inquiry.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: Not shamanic work with plant medicine, but soul retrieval and people, some people actually want to know their spirit animal or their totem animal or doing the soul retrieval work, internal family systems work, all these different things.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: And ultimately, all of that did come out of Ayurveda.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's the oldest system.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Modern medicine, all the biocircadian medicine, the functional medicine, that's all modern terms for Ayurveda.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_01: So I work with people in whatever capacity they're ready for and they're wanting to go into.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm in the process of making a year-long awake and living course.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's a weekly process of self-inquiry.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's a deep self-inquiry process.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: I prefer not to only work on the physical, and that's where people are at.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: We start where people are at.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: We can't meet them where we're at.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_01: We have to meet everyone where they're at.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: So some people, it's not that much anymore.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: I would say maybe 15, 20% are only coming for the diet.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_01: They want to do a cleanse.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: We do that, you know, how to guide them.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: But that's the same thing.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many cleanses out there that can really help people and really hurt people because it's not right for their constitution.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: So Ayurveda also determines what type of cleansing, what period of time that cleanse should be for that's going to optimally suit that individual.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: And also by the season, because the seasons, there's different energies in each season.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: So we have to determine where they live, what the season is, and what's appropriate in that season.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: Doing a raw juice fast in Pennsylvania winter is not a good idea for a Vata constitution.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: As you're talking about all this, because I've worked with you a lot over the years, and I feel like there's so many like, because obviously I do what I do in the sense of like have cultivated my own way of taking care of myself and whatever.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: But there's so many things that I don't even realize that I have taken from you and the Ayurvedic system.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: Just, well, first of all, like Trifla is something I will never stop taking, I don't think.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's so funny because I everywhere I go, if I'm like on a vacation with people or something, they're like, what's this?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you never heard of Trifla?
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's so like ingrained in my system that I'm like so like surprised that people haven't heard.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, how have you lived life without trifle?
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm so confused.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: That and then the shilajit that you have like the best one, by the way.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you could still get it, but I have a pretty good supply because that's something that actually I'm not very versed with wine, but apparently wine gets better with age.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_01: Somehow, shiligit also it doesn't ever go off.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's a mineral substance that oozes out of the rocks of the Himalayas, and it actually has every single trace mineral the human body needs and fulvic and humic acid, it preserves life and it basically improves with age.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I haven't found one like yours.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like I've tried other ones, but I haven't found the one like the one that you get.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk about that later.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: Or we can share it with people if if it's like that.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway so yeah, then just like certain things like that I feel like I've really been able to adopt into my own lifestyle that are such a like staple of Ayurveda and like the gifts that I've gotten from it.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, and you also have a podcast too, right?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, awaken living with Nabodhi.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_01: And also my website's out now, Nabodi.com, and there's tons of resources on there where people can actually, there's dosha tests on there where people can begin to understand about their body and how the mind works and the qualities of the mind.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: We, you know, again, we could do this for five hours, five days, but there's different qualities of the mind that are in all things in the universe.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so understanding those qualities too.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: Today I'm functioning from a sattvic place, a pure state of awareness, or a rajasic place, overact or active, creative, stimulated, motivated, inspired, or tamasic, dull, depressed, inertia state.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's in all of creation and it's all necessary.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's not good or bad again.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so there's all these resources on there that people can access to really start understanding more about themselves and how the body works and how the mind works.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we'll link all of that below so people can check that out and follow you on Instagram and all the things.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: But thank you so much.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like we need to do a deep dive also just into like the doshas and all of that stuff.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: But you'll have to do that on another episode.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like this was a good, a good start.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for sharing all of your wisdom and your energy.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's so great to talk to you and connect with you.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: My pleasure.
• 56:20
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• 56:21
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