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Kelley Earnhardt Miller Shares Amazing Family Stories & Talks NASCAR Charters · Kenny Wallace Media

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  Hello everyone, and welcome back to Kenny.
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  And boy, oh boy, does this next lady understand sponsorship, my
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  dear friend, and she truly is. I've known her for years.
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  The great Kelly Earnhardt Miller.
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  How you doing, Kelly? Hey, I'm doing great.
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  I'm so glad that you asked me this.
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  And yeah, we go back a long ways, right?
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  I think so. I, I don't, I, yeah, I, I think
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  that's something we can talk about too.
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  But let's let's introduce you properly.
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  Kelly is the business leader and CEO and co-owner of Junior
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  Motorsports and the daughter of the great Dale Earnhardt Senior.
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  So, you know, there's a lot of people, Kelly, that don't know
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  our past because like brother Rusty says, there's a there's a
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  generation gap now. I noticed there's been a theme
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  with you lately, this generation gap.
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  Yeah, well, I'm glad you hear that.
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  I, I get on tangents and I, and I tend to use them because it
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  pisses me off a little bit when people don't know, you know, say
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  Bill Elliott or or Dale Senior or Kale Yarborough, you know,
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  like those pictures in the background there.
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  What is that Buddy Baker up there?
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  Yep, Buddy Baker, the ghost car. Yep.
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  I've got a little good wrench. One of Dad's helmets here.
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  So my Popeye's trophy's over here.
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  Yeah. I love that.
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  I want to start out fun. I want, I want to brag on you.
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  You're very mature, you're very influential.
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  And you said something to me that I, I teach my best friends
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  and I probably told 10 people, the, the people that I'm closest
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  to could be Doug Schoenfeld from Schoenfeld Headers.
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  I said, let me tell you what Kelly Earnhardt told me one day.
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  Oh gosh, she. She said.
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  Kenny Wallace, I love you because you're a no maintenance
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  friend. So yeah, it it, and you might
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  not. Like no maintenance people.
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  Well, when when you're famous like you are and people want to
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  claw to you, they want to cling to you, you know, you might have
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  forgot about that. Do you remember that and and
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  talk about? No, you know, I, I do think I
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  remember that. And I mean, I'm, I mean that in
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  like the kindest way for people, you know, because I, you, you
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  know, it's not just me. Everybody's busy, busy in this
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  world. It's not just me.
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  Mamas are busy, business owners are busy, students are busy,
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  racers are busy. Like we're all life is busy.
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  This little device right here, the fact that we're doing what
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  we're doing has just made everything so accessible, right?
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  And you know, it's, it's disheartening that you can't
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  keep up with everybody that you want to keep up with.
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  And I think, gosh, for Facebook and social media and people that
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  are real like you on there that you know, you can, you can keep
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  up with life. And so then when you do get that
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  opportunity to see you in person or text with you about
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  something, you know, I'm kind of caught up from Facebook.
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  So I'm like, can I ask you about something or say you, you just
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  got back from vacation, you know?
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  And I did. Right.
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  And I love that instead of well, guys, it's been forever since
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  you talked to me. It's been forever since you
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  called me. You don't ever call me anymore.
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  You know, that's high maintenance to me because in
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  this life we are spread thin. And you know, I, I'm a people
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  lover. I don't know if I'm, I'm not say
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  I'm a people pleaser. I like to make people happy.
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  So I like to connect with people.
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  I like relationships with people.
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  And so, yeah, I mean, that's why I said that Like I I love it
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  when you can just pick right up. You know, you and I do go way
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  back. I mean, you were on Jimmy
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  Elijah's team, my ex-husband, you know, just obviously growing
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  up in the sport, I looked up to your family because you were a
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  family, a racing family, a family of brothers, my dad and
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  Rusty's connection, You know, there's just so many touch
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  points. And the greatest thing about
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  your family is your Mama, Judy. She, she's next on my list.
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  Why? And, and I, and there's a lot
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  lot to be said about this. Number one, why do you like my
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  mom so much? And I wanna let you know my mom
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  would say to me, you don't ever call me.
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  And I'm like, Mama, it goes both, it goes both ways.
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  You, you call me and I'm gonna answer, 'cause you're #1 if I'm
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  on the phone, I'm gonna go, hey, hold on.
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  My mom's on the other line. Well, I got to, I got to be, I
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  was the account manager for Rusty at Action Performance.
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  So he was one of Miller Lite and, and he were one of my
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  clients, you know, so to speak. And I got the opportunity to go
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  to Graceland with them and when, when they had the Graceland
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  Elvis car. And I'm, I'm pretty certain
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  that's when I was introduced to your mom.
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  And I don't know, I mean, she just like once I met your mom,
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  she made the connection to me for all for the three of you.
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  And I mean, she just is just a genuine fun.
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  Again, like I said, you you run into her.
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  I just saw her somewhere and I'm trying to remember where and I
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  ran. A grocery store.
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  Probably the grocery store. No, her and one of your
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  daughters were somewhere with me and one of the grandkids we were
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  in. Brittany, Brittany and Lila.
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  We were in the same space for some reason, and I ran over to
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  her and I was like, Oh my God, it's so good to see you.
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  She's just always one of my favorite people.
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  She doesn't, you know, she doesn't take any stuff.
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  I watch her on Facebook and the things she posted, I just, I
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  just love her. Just love her.
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  So anyway, yeah. You know, and we got a lot to
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  talk about everybody we're going to get to the charters.
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  We're going to rough her up about that, but calm down about
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  the charters, everyone. Let's let's lower that a little
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  bit right now. Let me let me talk to Kelly.
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  Let me talk about Kelly for a little bit in that same space.
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  Kelly, you know, I don't always want to go back to your father.
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  I mean, my, my, my, my brother's Rusty, so I understand.
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  Do do you strong arm so you can keep your life organized?
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  I mean, you know, in other words, sometimes do you catch
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  yourself being too famous? What is an Earnhardt like?
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  I always told people your, your father would hurt my feelings at
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  time because, you know, he was so good to me.
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  And then he would walk by me like he didn't know me.
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  Is that an? Is that an Earnhardt?
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  Tree. Yeah, that's not me.
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  Tell me. About being Earnhardt and being
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  famous. Yeah, I mean, it's just not me.
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  And you know, Kenny, I think it's not me because I lived in
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  that shadow too. You know, I I lived in the
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  shadow of my dad being famous and and the same thing, you
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  know, talk about in my book that I wrote drive my dad and I had
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  my dad is by far the most awesome person in the universe
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  as far as I'm concerned, the most awesome race car driver,
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  just all of these great things. But we, our daughter, our dad
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  daughter relationship was tough and it was the same thing.
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  Where, where was the time for Kelly?
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  Where was Kelly valued by her dad?
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  Where was Kelly's worth in, in her dad's life?
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  And, and I struggled with all of that.
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  And so I believe that that childhood piece of me, I, I've
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  taken to the future for better or worse, and just the way I
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  treat people and, and, and, and I want people to know that
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  they're appreciated and that they're valued and that they're
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  important, good people, not bad people.
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  I want the good people to know they're all those things.
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  And, and so I, I try real hard at work.
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  I know all of my employees names.
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  I know, I know their kids, I know what they're doing.
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  Just like I've mentioned you on vacation, I, that connection is
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  important to me that I follow up with people if they've told me
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  that they had somebody sick, you know, I follow up with an
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  employee here. Hey, how's such and such doing?
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  What's going on to me? Those, those you just, you can't
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  do that enough for people, especially in this day and age
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  when, when life is tough and mental illness is there and, and
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  all of these things that are there, you just, you just can't
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  be a kind enough person, which to me just means being just
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  appreciating people. So a couple of things.
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  Matthew Dilner, he, he, I said something to him direct
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  messaging on X that I was going to talk to you and he said,
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  she's the best boss I ever worked for.
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  So now, now I'm here, I'm going to connect the dots.
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  So like you, I love my brother Rusty dearly, but he's mean and,
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  and, and because I watch him be mean to people because like your
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  father, they were so focused. And, and there was this story I
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  heard that most successful people are mean.
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  Got an edge to him. And and because I watched Rusty
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  be like that, I'm like, Oh my God, I can't be like that.
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  So. So you and I, I just want to
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  comment on that. Matthew says you're the best
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  boss he's ever worked for, and I want you to know that I tried to
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  be orally nice because Rusty was so harsh making it to the big
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  time. So OK, yeah, I love you for
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  that. And you're and I know that your
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  employees do too 'cause they they say nice things behind your
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  back. Well, that's wonderful.
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  That's awesome here. OK, let's move here.
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  So many years ago I saw something that made me smile
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  like I'm smiling right now, said Kelly Earnhardt Miller, voted
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  one of the influential and business people in NASCAR.
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  That was a big deal. It was a big deal.
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  Tell me about that time. You know, it was that that was
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  during the time of us deciding to to move away from Delanohunt
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  Incorporated. And you know, I think a lot of
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  of that most fluential was obviously around my brother
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  because I was his manager and still am today.
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  And the decisions that we had to make both professionally and
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  personally to make the decision to leave Dell and Harn
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  Incorporated and everything that we knew had been built for the
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  benefit of Dell and I. And, and knowing that that
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  that's what our dad wanted for us and that we were letting a
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  piece of that down, even though he wasn't here to like talk with
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  us about it. But we knew in our hearts that
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  that was like a let down because we knew.
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  But then we knew that, you know, Teresa here, you know, didn't
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  want that for us. And so that I think that whole
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  time and then going out and, and talking and negotiating with
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  Gibbs and Richard and and Mr. Hendrick and netting out where
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  we netted and, you know, all the hoopla on the sponsorship that
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  we were able to achieve with Mountain Dew and National Guard
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  at the time in 2008. And, and, and just really set
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  the path. You know, I took my brother's
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  career at that time and charged forward with it like I like only
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  I knew how to do. I had learned from the best in
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  terms of my dad and business working at Action Performance
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  licensing was so huge. Then I got the right people in
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  place. I hired Joe Mattis.
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  You know, I I just got the right people in place attorney wise
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  and things like that and just said this is the business we're
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  going to build and this is what we're going to do.
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  So, you know, I give a lot of credit to that scenario of us
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  making that decision to that award right there.
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  That's bad ass. So I want I want to compact this
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  question. I I know you this how far back
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  we go. Am I bragging on that everybody
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  don't don't don't comment. Oh you all about Kelly R&R
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  Miller. I we got, as they say an AM
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  debate radio. I got to paint the picture.
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  Yeah. And, and the picture that I
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  remember is that you were a really good race car driver and.
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  They said it was the best. Well.
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  No, you were, you really were. So here's my question.
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  At what point did you go from race car driver to business
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  business person? When when it's like, hey, I'm a
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  race car driver. Oh yeah, I'm going to become,
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  you know, I'm, I'm me and my brother are so tight.
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  We're going to go business. When was that?
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  Yeah, so great question, you know, I guess, you know, I'll
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  just tell you how it happened. I mean, I was a good student.
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  My dad had high expectations of Dale and I to make straight A's.
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  If you didn't make straight A's, you're on the shit list.
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  Listen, kids, listen to that. Listen, kids, I made straight
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  A's, you know, I didn't cause any problems for my dad and from
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  that perspective, and my dad wanted me to go to college.
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  So you got to paint the picture. It's just me and Dale in our
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  home. My brother Carrie lived outside
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  of our home. So I'm the first kid that's
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  going to go to college. And my dad really wanted me to
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  go to college, so I did. I went to UNC Wilmington and I
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  always, I was a tomboy growing up.
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  I wanted to race cars, I wanted to deer hunt, I wanted to ride
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  motorcycles. I want to do all these things.
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  And my dad was always like, that's not for girls.
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  You're going to, you're going to skin up your legs.
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  I'll never forget when he told me that about motorcycle riding.
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  You're going to skin up your legs and you don't want your
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  legs all skin up and scarred and da, da, da, da, da, you know,
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  you're a girl. And, and it was the time then,
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  you know, don't get me wrong. So so I go to college and I'm at
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  I'm in Wilmington for three years and I get a set of flowers
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  for my dad and it and it said, Nah, I will cry.
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  It's sad. It's been so long since I've
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  seen you. I love you, I.
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  Forgot what you look like. I love you.
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  Never came home. I got to college and I was like,
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  woo, I'm out of here. You know, I'm in Wilmington, I'm
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  at the beach. I got a full time job at the
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  mall and you know, you worked 365 days at the mall.
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  And so I got that, I got that, that, that flowers and I was
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  like, oh God, it's just been forever since I've been home.
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  So I, I, I guess that made me decide to move home and I moved
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  home and I finished my college career at UNCC.
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  And so I moved home in my, my junior year and it took me 4 1/2
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  years to finish up because I did that.
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  And I said to my dad, when I moved home, I said I will only
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  move home if I can do two things race cars and have my own
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  apartment. I did not want to go back and
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  live with them. So Yep.
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  So I when I came home in that was the let's see 93 the the
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  summer of 93. Guess which race car I got.
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  I got my dad my brother's orange Chevy St. stock.
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  It was scratched everywhere but the roof.
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  You needed, you need multiple tetanus shots to drive this race
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  car. I, I, I took this car out to
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  Concord, loaded it on the open trailer, drove to Concord every
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  weekend, ran this street stock. My cousin Tony Junior was
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  running Kevin Pannell, 2 beer who works at SHR and I was
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  running. Hank Parker Junior was running
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  and we had a ball. And I mean this, this street
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  stop car was nasty to drive. And funny story, I got knocked
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  out in the payout line at Concord because I beat this
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  girl's boyfriend. Oh, that's.
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  Real. She was standing behind me in
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  the payout line and you know, to get our $30.00 right for street
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  sock race. And I turned around and when I
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  turned around, she was swinging and she said that I passed her
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  boyfriend and she didn't like the way I passed her boyfriend
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  and I beat her boyfriend. And there's that.
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  God, this is so good. I know, right?
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  So, so one time too, a funny story with Dale, my mom was in
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  town from Virginia. And so one of my dad's employees
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  had a street stock car also that he ran, so he wasn't going to
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  run that weekend. So Dale and I loaded up both
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  cars. He loaded up Todd's car and I
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  got my car and we drove to Concord and took our mom because
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  we wanted to see a race, you know, So I mean, I got pictures
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  of me out there putting air in my tires.
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  I did it. I did it all by myself and and
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  Dale, we're starting the race and I'm starting in front of
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  Dale and Dale barrels into me and crushes his radiator.
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  See ya Dale. You knocked him out and didn't
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  even try from behind. You wrecked him from behind.
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  That's great. So from there my dad put the
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  late model stock car together. OK so so I'm in school.
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  I'm working full time for a hospitality company that did the
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  GM Goodrich and AC Delco stuff. I'm working part time for them
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  and I'm racing the street Stocks on the side.
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  Well, my dad put the Lake Model program together for Dale Carey
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  and myself. That's when I ran the 38 Lake
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  Model car I was seeing if Dale doesn't have my was.
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  It Sizzler's Steakhouse. Or sizzling.
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  Yeah. So it was Mom and Pop's Ham,
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  Western Sizzlin, Western Steer, Western Steer and Bennett's
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  Steakhouse, which was a BBQ place.
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  And so that was a three-year deal.
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  I raced late models all around, you know, tri-county.
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  We went to Nashville, North Wilkesboro, Hickory, Myrtle
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  Beach, you know, and, and raced and had a lot of fun and say
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  this. Yep.
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  Just listening to you. I don't like to interrupt, but I
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  just want to say this. You have already everything you
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  just said. You've gone to college.
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  You've raced. Yeah.
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  You're you're already ready. I'm getting row rounded right?
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So go ahead. Yeah.
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  So, so then I, my dad bought Sports Image who did all the
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  licensing, Hank Jones company that did all my dad's product
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  and I went to work there and I got in there working full time.
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  I would leave on Fridays at 2:00 to go racing.
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  And I just started doing well. I started getting promoted.
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  That was when I was Rusty's account manager at Sports Image
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  when we merged with Action Performance in 1997.
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  So I graduate College in 95. I'm still racing in 96.
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  The late model program kind of fell together because you, I
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  mean, I'm working, you know what my brother's got to do?
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  Work in the race shop. Work in the race shop.
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  I remember your dad trying to get him out of bed by 11 or
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  noon. Yeah, this was the that was that
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  era. Dale Junior won't get out of
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  bed. And and so I'll just Fast
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  forward this story. My dad, I know, was extremely
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  proud of me. He sent me to sports image to
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  work. He sent me to action performance
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  to work. It was kind of always arm's link
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  business, you know, from from the Delano incorporate.
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  Everybody's like, why didn't you ever work there?
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  And so this is 97. I'm doing really well.
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  I'm getting promoted, I'm moving up the ladder, I'm over
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  purchasing. I'm going to Phoenix with Fred
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  Wagenalls and doing business. I mean, I'm doing all these
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  great things, right? I'm making a six figure salary.
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  At 27 and dad does 2001. I'm so sorry.
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  And but you know what, I got set up for success because of that.
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  I all of those things that happened in.
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  So I'm, I'm still working for Action Performance and you know
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  what life was like then We were going through the autopsy
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  picture debacle. Obviously when you make
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  merchandise for someone, everybody's feigning for it
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  after the death, right? And so I got caught up at work
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  in the middle of family problems because Teresa was focused on
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  the autopsy. She was, she just lost her
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  husband for God's sakes, right? I don't say that negatively that
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  I got caught up, but I'm sitting in meetings going we need these
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  approvals, we need to make more die cast.
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  We need to make more of this. And I was like, man, this is
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  just too much for me. Like I can't do this right.
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  This is my dad, this is my family.
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  I can't be put in this position. So I called Dale in and Dale
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  always told me he can never afford for me to come work for
• 21:24
  him. So I called Dale in August of
• 21:26
  2001 and I was like, look, I'm going to take a pay cut.
• 21:29
  I'm told the story, it's in my book and everything.
• 21:30
  I'm going to take a pay cut. I got to come work for you.
• 21:32
  I got to get. And this will make people go
• 21:36
  after your book driven, right? Drive.
• 21:38
  Yep. Drive, drive.
• 21:40
  And I said I got to, I got to come work for you.
• 21:44
  You need me and I need you, and I'll come work for whatever.
• 21:47
  So I took a 50% pay cut and went to start managing his business
• 21:51
  because here's what I knew. I knew that Teresa would not
• 21:54
  look after Dale Junior like my dad looked after Dale Junior.
• 21:57
  Dale Junior and I were close growing up.
• 21:59
  Our parents divorced when we were four.
• 22:01
  I mothered the hell out of that kid, you know I was.
• 22:06
  I mean, I gave him the lunch money every day.
• 22:08
  I did everything for him. I financed his first computer.
• 22:13
  Finance. Finance at Best Buy.
• 22:18
  Yeah. I was just talking about layaway
• 22:20
  the other day. Isn't that so funny?
• 22:21
  All these things are signed and finance.
• 22:23
  Yeah, that. Was a good.
• 22:25
  Thing, right? And so, and so it all worked out
• 22:28
  because I didn't know my dad was going to die.
• 22:32
  And I, I was so racing, not working out, you know, I stopped
• 22:37
  racing just because that fell apart.
• 22:38
  And I was doing so good in business that we just, you know,
• 22:42
  we just didn't try to make it any different.
• 22:45
  And now I then I understood why, why we always don't know the
• 22:48
  plan. That was the plan.
• 22:50
  And I wholeheartedly believe that was the plan.
• 22:53
  So I started working for Dale and and here I am 23 years
• 22:56
  later. Yeah.
• 22:57
  And, and I want to, I want to let everybody know and that my
• 23:00
  friends, like Paul Harvey says, that's the rest of the story.
• 23:06
  And and that's why she was voted one of the most top influential
• 23:10
  people in business in NASCAR, because you went to college,
• 23:14
  even though maybe you didn't feel your dad's love and it was
• 23:17
  rough on you. Like I sometimes I don't feel
• 23:19
  Rusty's love. He's busy chewing my ass out.
• 23:22
  But but I mean. I knew I was loved.
• 23:27
  I just loved differently. I knew I was loved.
• 23:30
  Yes, and and now you become so smart because you go to college,
• 23:35
  you learn how to dot the IS cross the T's, you know, where
• 23:38
  the where the comma's AT and quote all that stuff.
• 23:42
  And wow, that's a really good story.
• 23:45
  So we got to, you know, your your book.
• 23:48
  I want to make sure everybody knows about that.
• 23:50
  That's pretty incredible. My book I wrote in COVID, God
• 23:55
  bless. I wrote it before COVID, but it
• 23:56
  released April 7th of 2020, which was three weeks after
• 24:00
  COVID started. So it was not as fun and
• 24:03
  successful as that could have been, but it's still out there
• 24:06
  in the market. Look it up.
• 24:07
  It's called Drive Nine Ways to Win in business, in Life,
• 24:11
  written by me and and it's a good book.
• 24:14
  Everybody likes it that reads it.
• 24:15
  Kelly I believe in re releases. Lots of story, lots of stories
• 24:20
  out there. Things things get lost in movies
• 24:23
  that get re released and you know, so yeah, maybe we need to
• 24:28
  re release that just because of the story you just told is
• 24:32
  pretty fantastic. And people have these images,
• 24:34
  Kelly, that you're Dale Earnhardt, you know, daughter
• 24:37
  and, and he laid it all out there for you.
• 24:39
  But you, you, you work, you work for it.
• 24:43
  And, and you went to work for other people.
• 24:45
  So do. Do you think the reason you
• 24:48
  didn't work at DI is because that would have been family
• 24:51
  working for family? Do you think that was strategy
• 24:53
  on his part? I think a little bit, but I
• 24:56
  think it had more to do with Teresa than anything, to be
• 25:00
  quite honest. But, and so he could put me in
• 25:03
  arm's length businesses that made sense and he did.
• 25:06
  And you know, I worked at the dealership.
• 25:08
  I was a receptionist at the advertised dealership when I was
• 25:10
  in, in the summer and I, I sold shoes at Peggy's shoes in
• 25:14
  Mooresville. And oh, I worked, I worked at
• 25:17
  winn-dixie. That was my favorite job, but I
• 25:20
  got grounded and had to quit. What'd you get grounded for?
• 25:24
  I was at a boy's house. I wasn't supposed to be.
• 25:26
  Oh. Yeah, so, so I'm, I was a senior
• 25:33
  in high school. Your dad grounded you.
• 25:36
  What did he say to you? My.
• 25:37
  Dad was tough buddy and so this is what happened.
• 25:41
  We were at the farm on Hwy. 3 and we lived across town on the
• 25:47
  lake and I told my dad that I had to go to CVS to pick up some
• 25:53
  school stuff for a project. Were you lying?
• 25:57
  I'm a senior, Yeah, were. You lying.
• 25:59
  I was lying and so I wanted to go see my boyfriend and my dad
• 26:04
  didn't really allow me to have boyfriends and in that day like
• 26:07
  dating and boyfriends were a little different anyway, right?
• 26:09
  Like you like it was just different so I to get to his
• 26:14
  house. There's a you like on Hwy. 3.
• 26:17
  You can take highway 3 to 150 and go to my lake house.
• 26:22
  Two turns to get to this guy's house was a little back
• 26:25
  neighborhood that you cut through to cut down by the
• 26:28
  church to cut down by the high school to cut down by here.
• 26:31
  What my dad did to take that route that day.
• 26:35
  I will never understand. I guess just to catch me.
• 26:37
  No. Yeah.
• 26:38
  So he, he takes this route, which is not the route he takes
• 26:41
  every day. And my car's parked out in front
• 26:44
  of these people's house. It's like just, you know, an
• 26:48
  older town area with just house by house by house.
• 26:51
  And my boyfriend's mom says Kelly, your dad's about to knock
• 26:56
  on our door. Did your heart come out of your
• 26:59
  chest? I mean, when you got in trouble
• 27:03
  with my dad, you got in trouble, you feared for your life.
• 27:06
  He knocked on the door and he said, you tell Kelly she is to
• 27:10
  come get in her car right now and to get her ass home.
• 27:13
  And oh, my God, I, I probably rode with my butt clenched the
• 27:16
  whole time, right? Yeah, I got in so much trouble,
• 27:20
  but I got I got grounded and had to quit my job at Winn-dixie.
• 27:23
  Do you think you got? I think you got ratted out.
• 27:25
  I think somebody's I. Don't know.
• 27:27
  I mean, who would have rat me? I don't.
• 27:28
  I don't know. I don't know.
• 27:30
  I don't know. Wow.
• 27:31
  This. Or maybe he just had intuition,
• 27:33
  who knows. He knew his girls.
• 27:35
  That's that's that's, that's funny and sweet at the same.
• 27:38
  It, it, it makes me happy that he loved you so much.
• 27:41
  He wanted to protect you. Oh.
• 27:43
  He did, yeah. Yeah.
• 27:44
  OK. So first of all, thank you so
• 27:47
  much. That was a wonderful 20 minutes
• 27:50
  right there. A lot about you.
• 27:53
  And I know it's in your book, but you know me, I'm big on that
• 27:57
  generation gap. And and and this one's only been
• 28:00
  two years since COVID, so we're gonna we're gonna sell more
• 28:03
  copies. OK.
• 28:06
  When I go to social media, I see everything you say.
• 28:10
  And you were sweet to me about a week ago.
• 28:13
  You said, how about this for a happy story?
• 28:15
  Kenny Wallace, this Dale Earnhardt, this Dale Junior
• 28:20
  Foundation. Junior Motorsports.
• 28:23
  Is you were you were on a soapbox that day talking about
• 28:26
  unhappy things. Yeah.
• 28:28
  I forget what it was. There was something going on and
• 28:31
  everything was unhappy in the world.
• 28:32
  Yeah, I think, I think it's therapy for me because like the,
• 28:36
  the Kenny right here is way different than the Kenny on the
• 28:41
  couch in the morning. Oh, yeah.
• 28:43
  And then, and then there's a, then there's, yeah, there's
• 28:45
  coffee with Kenny. Then there's a Kenny right here.
• 28:47
  Like, I don't know, coffee with Kenny.
• 28:49
  I don't know who that is. He's the unmedicated version of
• 28:52
  you when you wake up in the morning.
• 28:54
  And then, then there's the, the Kenny up at the race shop where
• 28:57
  I'm, you know, get my race car ready.
• 29:00
  Then there's the, I think there's four or five of me
• 29:03
  actually. So, OK, the Dale, the Dale
• 29:10
  Junior Foundation to celebrate your brother with 1,000,000
• 29:15
  followers on Instagram. You're, you're donated $1
• 29:20
  million. And I did a little research last
• 29:22
  night because I knew we were going to talk today this also
• 29:26
  feed North Carolina. So just just tell me a little
• 29:29
  bit about this. Yeah, yeah.
• 29:31
  So you know, Dale has a foundation that we started in
• 29:33
  2007 and you, you know, you get all the requests where you send
• 29:37
  this for this, we send that for that.
• 29:39
  We support this. And I just told Dale man, we
• 29:41
  need to really corral this because we have a lot of
• 29:44
  opportunity to use our celebrity ISM and and famousness for good
• 29:49
  and right. So, so let's corral this and
• 29:54
  let's focus on youth and let's do this.
• 29:56
  So that's what we did. And so one of the projects that
• 30:00
  you were talking about feed and see, that's our soup kitchen for
• 30:03
  Mooresville. It's got a nice new name, but it
• 30:06
  started as the Mooresville soup kitchen, which we've supported
• 30:10
  all of our time. And but they want to eradicate
• 30:15
  the need for soup kitchen. They want to eradicate
• 30:18
  homelessness. And since COVID, as so many
• 30:21
  know, you don't even have to be homeless anymore to have
• 30:25
  problems. Your firefighter teacher,
• 30:27
  family, they're not making it. They're they're struggling.
• 30:31
  Their groceries are more expensive.
• 30:33
  All these things, right? So feed and C is a, an
• 30:36
  organization that just provides opportunity for people that need
• 30:41
  it to better themselves. They've got a grocery store,
• 30:45
  they have culinary classes where they teach people skills to go
• 30:48
  out and get jobs. They, you can go there and eat
• 30:52
  every day and you know what it's you only pay a donation.
• 30:55
  There's no charges on the menu. And all of their culinary school
• 30:59
  people cook your food and fix the food.
• 31:01
  So they, you can go there and take a shower and do your
• 31:04
  laundry and all these kinds of things.
• 31:05
  You can get counseling services, you can figure out how to go get
• 31:08
  the right kind of housing for you if you're, you know, if you
• 31:11
  can't afford housing, etcetera. So, so tons of stuff there, but
• 31:16
  they to build this facility and, and to to charge this course
• 31:20
  that they have, they had a lot of different opportunities and
• 31:24
  they built a garden. And this garden feeds the
• 31:27
  restaurant that feeds the culinary classes, that feeds the
• 31:30
  ability for these people to get out on their feet and, you know,
• 31:34
  make a way for themselves. So my mom was very into
• 31:37
  gardening. We lost my mom in 2019 from lung
• 31:40
  cancer, C65 and this project just spoke to us, Mimi's garden.
• 31:46
  And so it is a about a maybe A2 acre garden.
• 31:53
  We just added a kids sensory area so that kids can go out
• 31:57
  there and have some fun. We have these tall sunflowers
• 32:00
  out there with all of my mom's grandkids names on it.
• 32:02
  So it's Mimi's garden, little ladybugs.
• 32:04
  And they're just growing stuff left and right.
• 32:07
  They're they're growing flowers for the table.
• 32:09
  They're growing, you know, all kind of stuff.
• 32:11
  So the $1,000,000, Dell's foundation, every year we raise
• 32:15
  at least $1,000,000, if not more.
• 32:18
  And this we, we wanted to do something.
• 32:21
  We didn't want to say, oh, hey, hey, Dell's got, you know, a
• 32:23
  million followers. How great.
• 32:26
  We wanted to do good with it. And so we came up with this idea
• 32:29
  to take the top ten states where we're followed on Instagram.
• 32:35
  And in those ten cities, cities, sorry, not states in those ten
• 32:40
  cities, we identified an organization that we would
• 32:45
  support normally through our efforts of the foundation.
• 32:48
  And we are donating $100,000 to each of those 10 organizations
• 32:52
  to make the $1,000,000. And just to celebrate, you know,
• 32:57
  our fan base is the reason we get to do this, right, Kenny,
• 33:00
  everything that we touch and do. And so to celebrate our fans and
• 33:05
  their loyalty. And they're following and
• 33:07
  they're fun. You know, that's what we did.
• 33:11
  So we put it back from their cities and, and it's it's
• 33:14
  awesome. I, I asked you a question about
• 33:19
  this and you, you bring up things.
• 33:21
  I, I listen to Howard Stern. I don't agree with everything,
• 33:24
  but I like how Howard Stern interviews people.
• 33:26
  So I'm listening and, and now I'm going to ask you a question
• 33:30
  that I never dreamed of, but mental health.
• 33:34
  I hear more and more about this. I grew up in nine.
• 33:37
  I was born in 1963, I'm a lot older than you and.
• 33:42
  Not a lot, just eight years. Not years.
• 33:44
  Well, but but I remember in my day fending for myself.
• 33:50
  You didn't talk about it. No.
• 33:51
  Yeah. You, you, you just.
• 33:53
  You, you, you know, you're, you're weak.
• 33:56
  Get it done yourself. So I want to ask you your
• 34:00
  opinion, do you think mental health has always been around
• 34:04
  and for some reason it's just now struck a chord in this time?
• 34:09
  You know, you had 16 hundreds of 1700s, Yeah, all this life,
• 34:13
  hundreds of years. And now the period that you and
• 34:17
  I live right now and everybody's like, man, this.
• 34:20
  Well, I. Think, I think mental health's
• 34:22
  always been an issue and I guess I would frame it up like this
• 34:25
  like I think mental health has become more of an issue because,
• 34:36
  you know, life has life is, is changing and growing and we're,
• 34:41
  you know, I, I think about, you know, if you're talking about
• 34:44
  the 17, let's let's go to the 1900s 'cause I don't really know
• 34:47
  much about 17 or 1800s or the 1900s where, where mom and kids
• 34:54
  and dad worked the farm worked the whatever worked the deal,
• 34:56
  did what they did, fed themselves, right?
• 35:00
  They were, they had to depend on themselves, right?
• 35:02
  Was it hard? But they were a unit.
• 35:04
  They did it together. Da da, da, da da da da da.
• 35:07
  Then you move on, you know, into, I mean, of course, that's
• 35:10
  like the early 1900s. But you go you just as you move
• 35:14
  through decades, we're our world is just changing so fast.
• 35:20
  And the the ability to talk about mental health is there
• 35:25
  now, right? You only had to go.
• 35:27
  I didn't have anybody to talk about my feelings when I was a
• 35:30
  kid. My dad said you do this, you do
• 35:35
  it this way and you do it now. And if you don't do it?
• 35:39
  Then I'm gonna bust your ass. Don't.
• 35:41
  Get this. You don't get this, I'll bust
• 35:42
  your ass. You don't get this.
• 35:45
  Now, not saying that's not the right way to do it.
• 35:47
  Yeah, right. But.
• 35:50
  But what did you know? What did Kelly hear?
• 35:52
  You know, if you don't do this, you're not good enough to da,
• 35:56
  da, da, da, da da. Right?
• 35:57
  I got my old. I've been through a lot of
• 35:58
  therapy. I got my old childhood trauma.
• 36:00
  And I'll talk about that in my book, too.
• 36:01
  Yeah, me too, you know, and, and there's a place for it all, I
• 36:07
  guess. You know, I, I think there's
• 36:08
  just a an outlet. Social media has made it so much
• 36:13
  worse because I didn't really know that I needed to talk to
• 36:17
  anybody. I didn't know it was any
• 36:19
  different. Now I get to look across the
• 36:21
  Internet and, you know, I get to decide whether people are
• 36:25
  prettier than me, whether they have more money than me.
• 36:28
  And I'm talking about if I was a teen, right?
• 36:29
  Like, I mean, it's just crazy all the the things that that our
• 36:34
  kids especially, and our teens and our 20 some year olds, the
• 36:39
  pressure on them to be something and they can't.
• 36:43
  And the world's too critical if you're not what they think you
• 36:47
  need to be, right? The world's so critical.
• 36:52
  You wrote that just. A little bit, yes, tell.
• 36:54
  Me. OK, so I want to leave that up
• 36:56
  there for a little bit. If you don't show appreciation
• 36:59
  to those that deserve it, they'll learn to stop doing the
• 37:03
  things you appreciate. OK, so when Kelly Earnhardt
• 37:06
  Miller, when she speaks, I, I, I listen.
• 37:12
  You don't got to name names when I say things.
• 37:17
  There's a person that triggered me.
• 37:19
  That that I got, I was triggered, absolutely.
• 37:22
  I was triggered by somebody in my family and for me to process
• 37:31
  those thoughts, I needed to put that out there.
• 37:35
  Good for you. I didn't have the ability to put
• 37:37
  that out there 30 years ago. I didn't have a, I didn't have
• 37:40
  Instagram, you know, like, it's a way of processing, right?
• 37:43
  Like, and, and it's a way of, of speaking And, and, you know, I
• 37:49
  think, I think talks are healthy and I think we're, but we're
• 37:54
  also scared to talk to people. We're also scared to talk to
• 37:56
  people we love. We're scared to let them down.
• 37:58
  We're scared to disappoint them. We're scared to be judged, you
• 38:00
  know, all of those different kinds of things, even with our
• 38:03
  own family, let alone all the goons that live on social media.
• 38:07
  You know, coffee, we're the same.
• 38:10
  You, you and I are the same. Coffee with Kenny is years ago.
• 38:15
  Years ago, everybody wrote in the diary.
• 38:17
  Yeah. That's my diary coffee with
• 38:19
  Kenny this morning. I woke up and I was jacked up on
• 38:22
  Mountain Dew about these. These local tracks need to be
• 38:26
  over at 9:30 at night. Yeah, so.
• 38:29
  Note to self on social media, if you see Kelly posting a lot of
• 38:32
  stuff about that, she got something going on.
• 38:35
  Well, that's what we got to. I love it completely.
• 38:38
  OK, so I do this with everybody. See here.
• 38:42
  Yeah. I I work hard.
• 38:44
  I don't want to embarrass myself.
• 38:46
  So this one here I wrote, and I'm going to go ahead and ask
• 38:49
  it. Can can you tell your brother
• 38:54
  Dale Junior? Can you tell him what to do and
• 38:58
  and do you get in knock down drag out arguments?
• 39:02
  Have you ever thrown stuff at each other?
• 39:04
  How? Oh.
• 39:05
  God, how? Sister and brother, are you all?
• 39:09
  Right, so. So.
• 39:14
  So until probably until 10/12/13 years ago, I could pretty much
• 39:26
  tell him whatever to do. It was just him, you know, I,
• 39:31
  you know, if I said that such and such need to be done for
• 39:34
  this cause or whatever it was business wise or whatever.
• 39:37
  I mean, he, you know, he was busy being a race car driver
• 39:40
  and, and I did the business and that was what we're doing.
• 39:42
  And we, you know, it's funny, we never, I was always just kind of
• 39:49
  the mother figure. We, we, we have a great
• 39:52
  relationship, but it's not like we ever spend a lot of time in
• 39:56
  each others minds, if that makes sense.
• 39:58
  You know, when my dad died, we didn't even hardly talk about my
• 40:02
  daddy's death. He did his things with his
• 40:04
  friends. I grieved in my way.
• 40:07
  You know, we didn't sit down and talk about then.
• 40:09
  We we do that a lot more often now, which I love, No.
• 40:12
  Maintenance, Brother. And my brother's wife, Amy, has
• 40:17
  really brought him, you know, into this world, right?
• 40:22
  Like, what's it like to answer to people and to know people and
• 40:27
  have relationships with people? Because in Dale's world, he was
• 40:30
  always used to being told what to do.
• 40:32
  Sponsorship driving business, That was what drove it, right?
• 40:37
  Never thought about it that way. And, and so, you know, he just
• 40:40
  went to the next. I mean, Dad told it started with
• 40:42
  Dad Kenny. Dad always told us what to do.
• 40:44
  When you went to dinner with my dad, you stood around the table
• 40:49
  to wait for him to tell you where to sit.
• 40:51
  I believe that. Yeah, you didn't just sit down.
• 40:54
  So. So we started back then.
• 40:57
  So we were always used to being told what to do.
• 40:59
  It's funny because. He did the same thing with all
• 41:01
  of us like we were on he. Yeah, I get.
• 41:04
  He just waited to hear what he said.
• 41:06
  We just waited on. It we would do, you know, photo
• 41:09
  sessions and he would tell everybody, all right, this is
• 41:11
  the last one. He told everybody to talk.
• 41:14
  With Neil, it didn't matter. It did not matter.
• 41:18
  And so and so, yeah, like we probably had more situations
• 41:25
  where we've disagreed in the last 10 or 15 years than we ever
• 41:28
  did. And it's only, it's, it's not,
• 41:32
  it's just simply because it's just not me and him anymore,
• 41:35
  right? And it's just not about
• 41:36
  business. He's got a wife, he's got kids.
• 41:39
  He's, you know, there's just so many more things that he's aware
• 41:43
  of and, and, and all and, and our business, since he quit
• 41:46
  driving, he's very much more involved in our business.
• 41:48
  And I'll be like, well, I've always done it that way.
• 41:51
  And you just didn't know. I really upset him not too long
• 41:54
  ago because I said, and I didn't mean it in the way that he took
• 42:00
  it, but I said the words. I ran this business for 25
• 42:03
  years. I don't really need you.
• 42:06
  And I didn't mean that I didn't need him because he's the reason
• 42:09
  that I got to run the business. Yeah, Yeah, I get it.
• 42:12
  But what I meant was I've been making all these decisions and
• 42:15
  he was. Racing.
• 42:16
  Yeah, if you, you know, if you want to be part of the decision
• 42:19
  or if you want to be part of the situation, let's do it together.
• 42:22
  And if you don't just stay home, right, Well, I'll still get
• 42:24
  stuff done. And I, you know, it really hurt
• 42:27
  his feelings and but we had a good talk about it.
• 42:32
  That's the good thing is we can talk about that kind of stuff
• 42:34
  now. And, and there was one other
• 42:37
  time I got mad at work, which he and I have talked about this
• 42:40
  too, so I don't mind sharing it, but I got really frustrated with
• 42:43
  them at work about, I don't know, it's probably like 2015
• 42:49
  and going down to my office, I had all of my dad's uniforms
• 42:55
  lined up in these cases that people had given me.
• 42:58
  I'm lucky to have a Tasmanian devil uniform that a friend gave
• 43:02
  to me. I'm lucky to have a different
• 43:07
  uniform that I think Tony Stewart gave to me.
• 43:10
  So I have these couple of of of dad things, 33 suit, three suits
• 43:18
  lined up and I got so mad I was going to quit and I took all
• 43:22
  them suits out of there and I put no junior suits in them.
• 43:26
  You. Were pissed.
• 43:27
  Oh, I took all my stuff out of my office and took it all home
• 43:29
  in a box. And, well, he didn't know
• 43:32
  because he didn't come in the office that much.
• 43:36
  You couldn't get him, damn it. And so I got over it.
• 43:40
  And, you know, I got over it within about a week, but I never
• 43:44
  put my suits back up. And it took him forever to
• 43:47
  realize that my dad's suits were missing.
• 43:49
  And so one day we were talking about it and I told him.
• 43:51
  I was like, I got really mad with you, and I almost quit.
• 43:54
  You didn't know I quit, but I did quit.
• 43:56
  But you didn't know it. Yeah, yeah, you got it.
• 43:59
  All of. Them down and it's all in my
• 44:01
  house in a tub now and and and she's like.
• 44:05
  I'm thinking physically you had to be enraged because you had to
• 44:08
  do the work to to get all everything out of there and.
• 44:12
  I was enraged. Yeah, well, we all do, yeah.
• 44:16
  Love would do that to you. Listen, love would do that to.
• 44:19
  You. I love that.
• 44:21
  I love. Love will do that to you.
• 44:23
  Yeah, Crazy love. I, Kim and I will get in an
• 44:26
  argument. And later on, I'm like, listen,
• 44:28
  sit down. You know, she's hardcore.
• 44:31
  Kim grew up in the city. She'll bust your ass.
• 44:33
  You know, it's like, honey, I love you.
• 44:36
  And that's the thing about me. I need to calm down when I get
• 44:39
  mad. I need and and if people
• 44:42
  continue to push me and push my buttons and push For more
• 44:45
  information and try to get me to say why that don't go well, I
• 44:49
  need to get away from it. I need to calm down 'cause I
• 44:53
  will do or say things that might not be the best things to do or
• 44:57
  say at the time. Yeah, I, I call that in
• 44:59
  Missouri, I call that going postal because the, the postal
• 45:03
  workers years ago, you know, they just dealt with everybody
• 45:06
  came in the post office had an issue.
• 45:08
  Mad. Mad and and and probably the
• 45:11
  post office worker goes postal. Oh.
• 45:14
  Yeah. And that was a bad time in life,
• 45:15
  and we won't go there. But they went postal.
• 45:18
  All right, let's have fun. And then we'll get to these
• 45:22
  charters because that's what's, you know, on the docket.
• 45:26
  In his mind, right? Right.
• 45:28
  But I want to talk about Wyatt, your son, LW, your your husband
• 45:35
  and you, you have, you have three children.
• 45:38
  Wyatt is with LW. He's a great racer.
• 45:43
  Of course you have Carson and Kennedy, but let's go with LWI.
• 45:47
  Really liked one of your social media posts.
• 45:49
  It made me you were so real. You were on the road racing, but
• 45:53
  you said sheltering in place at the pilot.
• 45:56
  Bad storms shed a little light on Wyatt.
• 46:01
  What you're going to, what you're trying to do with him.
• 46:02
  And tell me about when you go racing with him.
• 46:06
  Yeah, yeah. So Wyatt started Outlaw Kart
• 46:08
  racing and in 2020, right after, you know, like August of 2020
• 46:14
  was his first race or July and eight years old.
• 46:18
  And my husband said until he asked to race, he's not going to
• 46:22
  race. He's going to kill his first
• 46:24
  deer before he races. And so they were actually out in
• 46:27
  Illinois putting up deer stands in July for the coming season.
• 46:33
  And our friend had an extra outlaw cart and he's like, you
• 46:36
  know what, You're coming this weekend.
• 46:37
  Let Wyatt try this cart out. My son's doing it da, da, da.
• 46:40
  Well, guess what? We raced on Friday.
• 46:43
  We raced on Saturday. I get a call from my husband who
• 46:48
  says, hey, if we can work this out in three weeks, we can run
• 46:52
  the nationals at English Creek in 2020, which is a big deal,
• 46:56
  you know, in Knoxville, IA near the Knoxville Raceway to go to
• 47:00
  English Creek and run the nationals for Outlaw Karting.
• 47:02
  And I'm like, Oh my God, where did this come from?
• 47:05
  Our boy wasn't going to race. And now all of a sudden we ran
• 47:07
  one race and we're just going to do this.
• 47:09
  And he went out there and, and won the nationals in about after
• 47:14
  he raced for like, I don't know, five or six times in the
• 47:17
  beginner box stock outlaw CART at 8 years old.
• 47:20
  So from there we're running outlaw karts, micros.
• 47:24
  Our racing life today is 600 micro sprints.
• 47:28
  We run Millbridge every other week when they run.
• 47:30
  But we started traveling due to the outlaw cart traveling.
• 47:34
  We started traveling to the Midwest and and that's where we
• 47:37
  do a lot of racing. We come to Missouri and when
• 47:40
  when I say we come to to all these places, we have a Super C
• 47:45
  camper and we have a 26 foot trailer.
• 47:48
  Now we do, we do race for Chad Boat and so they carry our car
• 47:53
  most of the time. But when we were outlaw car
• 47:55
  racing, we carried everything. But we jump in our camper on a
• 47:58
  Thursday after school. Wyatt goes to a three day in
• 48:00
  school and two day out of school program.
• 48:02
  We jump in the camper Thursday afternoon.
• 48:06
  We drive five to six hours wherever we're headed.
• 48:08
  We get up Friday morning, we drive the other 456 hours,
• 48:12
  whatever it is. We haul up to the dirt track.
• 48:15
  We set up camp and we race Friday night and we race
• 48:18
  Saturday night and we get back in the camper and we drive
• 48:20
  another hour or two at night and then Sunday we finish the drive
• 48:23
  home. We race in this weekend.
• 48:26
  We're going to Coles County Speedway in Mattoon, IL But
• 48:30
  we've come out to, I mean, we've we've driven to Missouri,
• 48:34
  Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, and we've raced in Nebraska.
• 48:39
  I mean, yeah, we've ran into you on the road before in Saint
• 48:41
  Louis. You're you're around me a lot
• 48:44
  and and I leave you alone a lot of times.
• 48:47
  You're. I don't.
• 48:48
  Even know you're there. I know.
• 48:49
  You know, but, but no, I mean, there are times you're an hour
• 48:52
  from my house. Oh, yeah.
• 48:54
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean by that.
• 48:57
  OK, so is he going to be is, is Wyatt?
• 49:03
  I I see how talented he is. Wyatt loves racing.
• 49:05
  He loves it. Do you do you think as a child
• 49:09
  he just absorbed it kind of like Chase Elliott did, Dale Junior
• 49:13
  did? Why is he so good?
• 49:15
  I think he did. So, you know, my husband is a
• 49:18
  racer. Obviously he moved down to North
• 49:20
  Carolina from Pennsylvania to race and ARCA modified champion
• 49:24
  and and stopped racing when why it was born at my request, I
• 49:28
  would say. I just thought it was, you know,
• 49:31
  we're, we're trying to live a life and raise kids and we were
• 49:34
  hobby racing, you know, hobby racing in modifieds, you know
• 49:39
  this. Ain't go.
• 49:40
  This ain't going anywhere. We're just going to race is all
• 49:42
  we're. Going to do right so so you
• 49:46
  know, I, I I think he's paid attention, but Kenny I just
• 49:50
  think he has natural talent. We go to a lot of race tracks
• 49:55
  that he's never sit foot on and goes out there and runs well he
• 50:00
  runs with the best of them. He races, you know, some of my
• 50:04
  proudest. This is funny too.
• 50:06
  I like going to race with competition.
• 50:11
  I want to go race Frank Flood and all of these great micro
• 50:16
  erasers with my 12 year old son and I want competition.
• 50:21
  You know, I want to beat the best.
• 50:22
  I want to be among the best. I want to see Wyatt, you know,
• 50:26
  being 20th and work his way to 10th.
• 50:29
  For whatever reason. I don't want Wyatt to go out
• 50:31
  there in a field of five cars and win every week.
• 50:34
  That's not good for him. And, and so that's what we do.
• 50:38
  We, we go up to Indiana, we go all over the place.
• 50:40
  I, I have a joke. I I've spent the night in more
• 50:44
  Walmart parking lots than I've shopped.
• 50:46
  I did that with Schrader a lot and I shopped at.
• 50:48
  Walmart a lot too. And some of the some of the
• 50:51
  Walmarts won't let you park. They won't, but there's a,
• 50:54
  there's a website. You got to go on and look.
• 50:56
  Yeah, yeah, I. Want to say that it makes me
• 51:00
  really happy that I thought I was the only one that you know I
• 51:05
  I told your brother, I said listen, when my NASCAR career is
• 51:08
  over, I'm going to go dirt racing.
• 51:10
  Your brother Dale Junior said I'm going to go late Donald
• 51:13
  stock racing. But I never what what makes me
• 51:16
  so happy is that you and I were were were these big NASCAR
• 51:21
  people. I've been on national TV.
• 51:22
  I run 905 races, but your lingo, your lingo fits right in with
• 51:29
  all the dirt divers, you know, English Creek and Coles County
• 51:32
  and and I also saw on social media where you like somebody
• 51:36
  coming along and you SAC Nation, you really got it going on,
• 51:40
  don't you? With dirt racing, you're you're
• 51:42
  dirt. Racing I love it I mean it's
• 51:44
  it's it's you know it's easy and not complicated right you you
• 51:49
  roll in there and you know there's some tracks that are
• 51:52
  just great and have awesome facilities and there's other
• 51:55
  places where they're just little shit holes you know you're.
• 51:58
  Picking the bed. Right.
• 52:01
  And I'm sitting in the grandstands getting dirt thrown
• 52:03
  all over me. I got my my dirt crap shoes.
• 52:06
  And I mean, I don't, I don't look like 1,000,000 bucks when I
• 52:09
  get there. I'm in my jeans and Tees and
• 52:12
  muddy clothes and ready, ready, ready to go.
• 52:15
  You know, I'm, I'm making food, I'm doing the logistics.
• 52:18
  I'm whatever you know. Yeah.
• 52:20
  And, and, and this, you know, when we talk, sometimes I like
• 52:24
  to give my own commentary. I want this, I want this to be a
• 52:27
  lesson to some of the people out there listening to Kelly because
• 52:31
  just because, you know, we all were NASCAR and and we had to
• 52:35
  shave because we had to be presentable for our sponsors,
• 52:38
  we're racers at heart, aren't we, Kelly?
• 52:40
  Absolutely, absolutely. And it's actually very relaxing
• 52:43
  to just put on jeans and T-shirts and be normal, OK?
• 52:47
  And I appreciate people at the race tracks when you run into me
• 52:51
  just to treat me normal, like I just want to be treated normal.
• 52:54
  You know, I get up in those stands and I'll get recognized
• 52:56
  that we were at Coles County a couple weeks ago and had this
• 52:59
  gentleman start talking to me. And I mean, of course, he's
• 53:01
  like, I love what you guys do and da, da, da, da.
• 53:03
  But we were just able to have a normal conversation, you know,
• 53:06
  like I just, I just like for it. I'm I'm there for the same
• 53:09
  reasons that everybody else is there to enjoy themselves and
• 53:11
  have a good time. I'm not there to be Kelly
• 53:13
  Earnhardt. Yeah, right.
• 53:15
  OK, let's go to the girls. Kennedy.
• 53:18
  Kennedy is 17. She's absolutely a model.
• 53:21
  Thank you. Just graduated high school last
• 53:23
  week. I see that.
• 53:25
  Crazy. Tell, tell me about Kennedy.
• 53:27
  How you gonna? Yeah, contain that beautiful
• 53:29
  girl. I'm sure all the guys are all
• 53:31
  over her. So it's funny too, 'cause I, I
• 53:33
  want to brag on all of my kids about racing.
• 53:35
  Carson started racing at age 9. And I'm getting to Carson.
• 53:38
  But Kennedy just. Graduated.
• 53:40
  Kennedy started racing at age 5. All of my kids have raced at
• 53:43
  Millbridge and one at Millbridge.
• 53:45
  They all love racing and Kennedy just graduated.
• 53:49
  She wants to be a cosmetologist, so you have a daughter that does
• 53:52
  that. Yep.
• 53:53
  Yes, Brandy. And she wants to do hair and
• 53:55
  lashes and and you know, extensions and, oh, extensions,
• 54:00
  extensions all. I know the logo.
• 54:02
  He loves makeup, so she that's what she wants to do.
• 54:06
  She owns her own salon. Well, that's awesome.
• 54:10
  Yeah, that's really cool because, yeah, my middle
• 54:12
  daughter Brandy, she was up there at Birkdale and had a nice
• 54:16
  little place for a while. I, my daughter Brandy got to be
• 54:21
  friends with the boats, the Blaney's.
• 54:23
  I kind of thought she was an open wheel, wheel girl because
• 54:25
  all all the daughters would go there and and Brandy had all
• 54:28
  the, she knew everything I said. Tell me what's up.
• 54:31
  Get get me the hey and you can get some good gossip at the hair
• 54:34
  salon. Oh, from the girls.
• 54:35
  Yeah. OK, so Carson.
• 54:38
  Carson, I want to pose this to you.
• 54:41
  I thought she was extremely talented racer.
• 54:44
  I thought she did. Thought she was incredible.
• 54:48
  Tell me about Carson and why I don't see her just racing all
• 54:53
  the time. So Carson loves racing.
• 54:55
  She started at 9:00 with Jimmy and the Outlaw carts and and ran
• 54:58
  and ran and ran and here's Carson Carson's very headstrong.
• 55:04
  Carson wasn't as sure that her parents knew what was best for
• 55:10
  her when Carson thought she knew what was best for her and she
• 55:14
  wanted to go Midget racing. She ran micros for a little bit
• 55:18
  or or maybe power eye with Chad for half a season and she wanted
• 55:23
  to go Midget racing. And so so I and she was this was
• 55:28
  her first year of college. So when she she was in the her
• 55:34
  last part of Senior High School and 1st part of college this
• 55:39
  year, that year. And I said, OK, well, you know,
• 55:43
  if that's what you want to do you, you, Carson is just a kid
• 55:46
  that you can't tell no, she's going to figure it out and she's
• 55:50
  going to go around you to figure it out.
• 55:51
  So you might as well jump in the boat and she's.
• 55:54
  A rebel? Help her do it the best way,
• 55:56
  right? So I jumped in the boat with her
• 55:59
  and we got sponsorship and we went racing Midget racing and we
• 56:04
  and you know, I, I think she'll admit too, she was a really good
• 56:07
  Midget racer. But but she probably could have
• 56:11
  stood a little bit more time behind the wheel in various at
• 56:14
  various places, right? So during that year she had
• 56:18
  probably about four wrecks that were pretty, pretty bad wrecks.
• 56:22
  You know, she tumbled out of shoot somewhere there in.
• 56:28
  You know, they raced in weeks, whatever their Tuesday to
• 56:30
  Saturday is or whatever. Illinois.
• 56:33
  Yeah, Illinois Midget week. Yeah, Indiana.
• 56:35
  One of those weeks that she ran, I forget where she was at, but
• 56:38
  she, I think it was Oklahoma. She tumbled out of the, you
• 56:42
  know, over the side and. Tumble means violent, wrecked.
• 56:47
  Yeah, violently flipped out of the racetrack.
• 56:49
  Schrader says. I tipped.
• 56:50
  I'm like Schrader. You look like a dog that you
• 56:53
  look like a dog that got a hold of a cat you wrecked violently.
• 56:57
  Oh yeah, and it's just tipping. I'm like y'all are crazy.
• 57:00
  And she had another, I think somewhere in Arizona towards the
• 57:03
  end of the season, the same thing happened.
• 57:05
  She had some concussions, had to go to the ER and all that good
• 57:07
  stuff. So, so we just really, I think
• 57:10
  she decided in her heart of hearts, like, you know, man,
• 57:13
  I'm, I've, I've flipped around. I'm like, man, you know, Mama,
• 57:17
  this is enough. Like this is a lot.
• 57:20
  And so that just kind of dissipated and she works for the
• 57:24
  car store now, so she the Lake Marvel car store.
• 57:28
  Yeah, Keely. Yeah, she runs social and
• 57:30
  digital and marketing for the car store.
• 57:33
  So she's having a lot of fun. She's here in my office, which
• 57:35
  is great. She finally, Kenny, I've always
• 57:37
  heard this. And you raised three daughters
• 57:40
  that you lose your girls somewhere around.
• 57:44
  I think it used to be like 15 to 19, but it might be more like 13
• 57:47
  to 19 now. And that they come back to you.
• 57:51
  And that's what happened with her, man.
• 57:53
  I could not tell her. I could not tell her what to do
• 57:56
  and how to do anything. She would not follow my advice.
• 57:59
  And now it's Mama. I wish I'd listen to you, Mama,
• 58:03
  you know? Yes, they come around because my
• 58:06
  my daughters are what are they, 30303436?
• 58:12
  It's insane. They love their mother.
• 58:14
  They're, they're here at the house when they can be here.
• 58:16
  I, I want to share this with you 'cause I think it's funny.
• 58:19
  And Carson will hear about this 'cause her friends will rat her
• 58:22
  out. I, I'm on Snapchat because it's
• 58:26
  underground and I can mother everybody and, and I, and I love
• 58:31
  it and I don't want nobody to see it though.
• 58:34
  That's why it's on Snapchat while Carson lives on there with
• 58:37
  me. Oh yes.
• 58:39
  And my mom was on Snapchat and like what?
• 58:42
  Like, no, mom, you can't be on Snapchat.
• 58:45
  And I think Chrissy Wallace must have got her on there.
• 58:49
  My mom was so mad at me. She goes, Kenneth, you cannot
• 58:53
  say the F word like that. I said, mom, it's just fun.
• 58:56
  It's Snapchat. I say it on purpose to get
• 58:59
  everybody thinks it's funny. She was so mad at me.
• 59:03
  I said OK, Mom, look, I'm gonna block you.
• 59:06
  I blocked on Snapchat too. I.
• 59:09
  Don't use Snapchat. I only got Snapchat so that I
• 59:12
  could sort of follow the girls. I don't know how to use
• 59:15
  Snapchat. My girls think it's hilarious
• 59:17
  because I'll take my phone up and I'm like, how do I do this?
• 59:19
  How do I get that? Even on Instagram, I'm still
• 59:21
  learning things to do. But Carson just said to me the
• 59:24
  other day, somebody we were talking me, her and Kennedy
• 59:27
  maybe and and Kenny was like, yeah, it was.
• 59:29
  She put it on Snapchat and Carson goes, I probably should
• 59:32
  unblock you from Snapchat now. Yeah.
• 59:34
  Well, yeah, it will. Carson, I I said something, you
• 59:39
  know, I wasn't bragging. I said, yeah, I had to block my
• 59:41
  mom, Carson piped up. And she goes, yeah, I had to
• 59:43
  block my mom too. And I don't want to know what
• 59:46
  I'm not seeing. OK, sometimes she's your mom is
• 59:49
  best. Well, she, she's having a good
• 59:51
  time and I love all your children equally.
• 59:54
  I don't, I don't, you know, I mean, they're they're they
• 59:56
  really are. You're you're doing a great job.
• 59:59
  OK, so. I have one question here.
• 1:00:05
  I do and I don't want to answer ask it, but I'm just going to go
• 1:00:08
  ahead. It it it says to I wrote this
• 1:00:10
  down last night laying in bed, I said.
• 1:00:13
  I did my best. Thinking yeah, I grabbed my
• 1:00:16
  phone and then I printed off, you know, how does Junior
• 1:00:20
  Motorsports work? How does Hendrick Motorsports
• 1:00:22
  help you all? What do they supply?
• 1:00:26
  Yeah. So, you know, they, Mr.
• 1:00:31
  Hendrick's obviously an owner here.
• 1:00:33
  Whenever we went to go drive for him, they had an Xfinity team.
• 1:00:37
  So we merged the two teams underneath our roof here because
• 1:00:39
  we had one and they had one. And in today's world, Hendrick
• 1:00:45
  Motorsports supplies our chassis, they supply our
• 1:00:48
  engines, and we just work really closely together on people,
• 1:00:54
  right? So obviously we have the Chevy
• 1:00:57
  tech piece of it that they're involved in, but not
• 1:01:00
  specifically for our Xfinity Series.
• 1:01:01
  Now they're running their own Xfinity car.
• 1:01:03
  So we work together with Greg Ives, who who runs that program.
• 1:01:07
  But you know, so there's, there's transactions that occur
• 1:01:12
  like financial transactions that occur with engines and chassis
• 1:01:15
  and all those kinds of things as a customer.
• 1:01:17
  But you know, really just supporting we, we've traded a
• 1:01:21
  lot of people back, right, Greg, Greg Ives came over here and
• 1:01:23
  crew chief, Kevin meandering crew chief and then went back
• 1:01:29
  over there. We've we've had engineers, we've
• 1:01:31
  got two engineers now. Adam Wall is one of them, the
• 1:01:34
  number 8 crew chief who came over here sort of on loan from
• 1:01:38
  Hendrick, you know, to hopefully advance his career back over
• 1:01:41
  there one day. So, you know, we do a lot of
• 1:01:43
  those kinds of things together and, you know, just help support
• 1:01:46
  each other where we can. Mr. Hendrick, for me personally,
• 1:01:49
  is one of my greatest mentors. I call him about all kinds of
• 1:01:55
  things and say, hey, you know, what are you hearing on this
• 1:01:58
  subject? What, you know, what do you
• 1:01:59
  think about this? Should we look at this?
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  You know Mr. Hendrick, my grandfather, Robert G.
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  The G man. The G Man worked for Mr.
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  Hendrick. They were both from South Hill,
• 1:02:12
  VA. They came to North, you know,
• 1:02:15
  they moved to North Carolina, did the racing thing.
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  My granddaddy was an employee over there until he passed in
• 1:02:20
  94. And so my Mr. Hendrick has
• 1:02:23
  always held a very high regard for my grandfather.
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  And when my grandfather had a stroke, that's kind of where
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  I've met Mr. Hendrick. I was in the hospital, cut my
• 1:02:36
  granddaddy's toenails as a college student.
• 1:02:38
  Oh. My gosh, look at you, so sweet.
• 1:02:42
  And Mr. Hendrick came to visit and I knew our families, you
• 1:02:46
  know, like after Mr. Hendrick lost his son and we lost our
• 1:02:50
  dad, or we, you know, actually lost our dad first.
• 1:02:55
  I mean, there were just a lot of synergies.
• 1:02:58
  Mr. Hendrick was always talked about in very high regard to my
• 1:03:02
  family from my grandfather and then my mom.
• 1:03:04
  And and so that relationship existed over there.
• 1:03:08
  And that's why us going to race there made sense to us in our
• 1:03:12
  mind. And he's just a great father
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  figure. You know, we hang up the phone
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  with I love you. I can call him with, with
• 1:03:19
  business or personal, you know, I can call and complain to him
• 1:03:22
  about Dale whatever I want to. Do I love it it?
• 1:03:26
  It's somebody that you feel like when you talk to, you're going
• 1:03:29
  to get there, you're going to get he's going to listen and
• 1:03:31
  he's going to give you the right answers.
• 1:03:34
  So before we we're going to the charters next, everybody and and
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  Charlie Marlow will clip that part.
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  And so you don't got to get to the end, but it's about Kelly.
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  Kelly. I, I heard with with Hendrick,
• 1:03:48
  OK, I heard something and I want to see if you know anything
• 1:03:51
  about it. Speaking of mental health and
• 1:03:56
  psychology and in the sport, you know, world being the best you
• 1:04:00
  can be. So in NASCAR, NASCAR's brutal.
• 1:04:04
  You know, you got to be the best.
• 1:04:05
  Nobody better than me I hear at Hendrick, and I don't know if
• 1:04:09
  you do it at Junior Motorsports Hendrick, they have name tags
• 1:04:14
  and the name, the name tags have colors and those colors, green,
• 1:04:20
  whatever. Yeah, blue and.
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  Yellow, OK, They they mean when you approach that person, look
• 1:04:25
  at that color and approach that person with this mindset.
• 1:04:30
  What is? I think that's incredible.
• 1:04:32
  I want everybody to hear this. Tell me about.
• 1:04:34
  This it's called MBS Management by Strength.
• 1:04:36
  You can look it up on the Internet.
• 1:04:38
  Mr. Hendrick uses this in all of his dealerships and then it, you
• 1:04:42
  know, morphed to the Motorsports piece of it.
• 1:04:45
  So when we again, when we merged with them in 2008, Mr. They told
• 1:04:49
  us about this program and we started to implement it as well.
• 1:04:54
  So it's, one would call it a personality test, but the beauty
• 1:04:58
  of it, it's really not that. Like I'm a red, imagine that and
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  it all it is, is like if you just take the axis and if you're
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  positive red, blue, yellow, green or negative red, blue,
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  yellow, green. So I'm positive red and green
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  and I'm negative yellow and blue.
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  And I can tell you what those mean in a second.
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  I'm more positive red, which means I'm dominant.
• 1:05:22
  And then green is extrovert, which you would be you would
• 1:05:26
  probably be a high green if I had to guess.
• 1:05:28
  And then blue is structure and yellow is pace.
• 1:05:34
  And by structure means how do you want things wrapped up in a
• 1:05:36
  bow to come to you and be presented.
• 1:05:38
  Pace is do you want to do things quickly or not quickly, right.
• 1:05:42
  Red are you dominant? Are you, you know, just, you
• 1:05:46
  know, going to blast in there and tell everybody what to do or
• 1:05:49
  or not. And then green, extrovert,
• 1:05:50
  introvert. And So what it does is, you
• 1:05:54
  know, everybody, everybody's like, oh, you're red.
• 1:05:56
  You're hard to get along with. I'm not.
• 1:05:58
  I mean, the beauty about me is I'm also a green.
• 1:06:00
  I'm very, you know, outgoing and da, da, da, da, da.
• 1:06:05
  And So what you do is you match up each other.
• 1:06:08
  And so like Dale is a blue, if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:06:11
  So that is structure. And So what you do is you put
• 1:06:16
  your graphs up and it tells you, hey, Kelly, if you've got a
• 1:06:19
  problem with Dale Junior, I don't need to go in as a red
• 1:06:23
  because Dale Junior's a blue. I need to go in this way and
• 1:06:27
  talk to Dale Junior. This is what's going to make
• 1:06:29
  Dale Junior listen and respond. Wow.
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  It's not going to, he's not going to respond if I go in with
• 1:06:36
  my red tendencies because he's not a red.
• 1:06:37
  It's kind of like the love languages.
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  Have you ever? No, but I love this it it it
• 1:06:42
  keeps. Me.
• 1:06:42
  I love more of you. Yes.
• 1:06:44
  Yeah. I love this.
• 1:06:45
  So with our teams, we do, we do training once a year, but you
• 1:06:49
  know, these guys work on a team of eight to 10 people, right?
• 1:06:53
  Or Dirty MO Media who has 15 employees.
• 1:06:56
  We we have all the charts up everybody's color.
• 1:06:59
  But it's great because if you're having trouble with someone work
• 1:07:03
  wise, you, you can lean into that to like really understand
• 1:07:08
  where they're coming from and where you need to come from.
• 1:07:10
  I, I the love languages. I love the five love languages.
• 1:07:14
  They do it for kids and all that now.
• 1:07:17
  But basically we as people are motivated by these love
• 1:07:22
  languages, right? Quality time I'm.
• 1:07:25
  Learning. I'm learning.
• 1:07:26
  Quality time, affection, affirmation, affirmation.
• 1:07:32
  So words of affirmation, time and service like somebody doing
• 1:07:37
  something for you. Let's see, words of affirmation
• 1:07:41
  times, gifts, if you like gifts and the fifth one, see, I'm not
• 1:07:46
  the fifth one, so I don't know what it is.
• 1:07:48
  I am acts of service and gifts. So like, I like people to do
• 1:07:53
  things for me that shows that they appreciate me.
• 1:07:56
  My husband, oh, touch touches the other one because my
• 1:07:59
  husband's touch and words of affirmation, my husband likes to
• 1:08:05
  be hugged. He likes for me to put my arm
• 1:08:07
  around him. He likes for me to tell him
• 1:08:11
  things about him that are good, you know, so and and that's the
• 1:08:15
  other. That's that's what that's about
• 1:08:17
  is like if Kenny and Kim, depending on what y'all are,
• 1:08:22
  Kenny needs to serve Kim the way she wants to be loved him needs
• 1:08:27
  to love Kenny the way he wants to be loved.
• 1:08:29
  And it's not the same always, right?
• 1:08:31
  Yeah. And, and the reason I asked this
• 1:08:34
  question about these colors, because when we work together
• 1:08:38
  in, in intense competition, you know, it's the motor man's
• 1:08:41
  fault. It's it's the, it's the body
• 1:08:43
  man. The driver can't drive the, the
• 1:08:46
  pit crew messed up. It could be a shit show real
• 1:08:49
  quick and I like that. I think that's.
• 1:08:52
  Pretty awesome. It's really cool.
• 1:08:54
  It's very helpful and our people would tell you that it's helpful
• 1:08:57
  if used appropriately. Yeah, good stuff and a good
• 1:08:59
  insight for everybody out there to understand.
• 1:09:02
  OK, this is it, everybody. This is what you've been waiting
• 1:09:05
  for. Charter.
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  Charter. Charter.
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  Charter. OK, I'm going to start like
• 1:09:09
  this. I've been, I've been paying
• 1:09:13
  attention, but I don't have a clue.
• 1:09:15
  Like you're the boss. You are the boss.
• 1:09:18
  OK. But from what I see right now,
• 1:09:24
  these teams and and and and you and Dale Junior, you guys
• 1:09:29
  replied, well, we're 30 million short and that was famous.
• 1:09:33
  So it it it appears to me right? Now that's a lot of people.
• 1:09:38
  I'm, I'm, I'm going to say this and I'll let you go.
• 1:09:40
  It appears to me that teams are only, the charter system is only
• 1:09:45
  worth what teams are willing to pay.
• 1:09:48
  It's not like the the Dodgers, they're worth 40.
• 1:09:51
  You can't put a value on it. Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  Trillion dollar, you know, so go ahead.
• 1:09:56
  This is what I know about business, OK.
• 1:09:59
  In any business that you run, you have an earnings before
• 1:10:04
  taxes and EBITDA your profit, right?
• 1:10:07
  So if I run a business and I and I make $10 and I spend 5 of it,
• 1:10:11
  my Ebitda's five, right? And so when you go into a
• 1:10:15
  business, you typically buy a business based on those earnings
• 1:10:18
  and it's you, you apply multiple to it.
• 1:10:21
  So, Kenny, if you have a business and it makes $5 a year,
• 1:10:26
  I'll give you $40 because I'm going to give you a multiple of
• 1:10:30
  eight and, and value your business.
• 1:10:33
  And you know, I'm going to take this business and build on.
• 1:10:35
  So my value, that's what you're talking about when you're
• 1:10:38
  talking about the value of the Red Sox or the Yankees or the
• 1:10:43
  football teams or whatever. Here's the problem.
• 1:10:46
  And, and, and I've always said something's only worth what
• 1:10:50
  somebody will pay for it, right? I mean, everybody asks me, you
• 1:10:52
  know, what's this diecast worth? I don't know.
• 1:10:55
  What will you give me for it? What's this diecast worth?
• 1:10:58
  What will you give me for it? And, and here's the problem with
• 1:11:04
  charters. In my opinion, they sit on your
• 1:11:08
  balance sheet as an appreciating asset.
• 1:11:11
  Nobody knows what to pay for them because the business model
• 1:11:17
  to running a Cup team is not a profitable business model.
• 1:11:22
  So I can't tell you that my Cup team will make $2,000,000 every
• 1:11:27
  year. And there's a value in that.
• 1:11:30
  There's a value. I mean, what everybody wants to
• 1:11:33
  be in business to make money, right?
• 1:11:35
  And so the charter, while I love that it is an asset that can
• 1:11:41
  appreciate it, also has a contract, seven-year contract
• 1:11:47
  tied to it. They those charters don't have
• 1:11:51
  to exist after that seven-year contract.
• 1:11:54
  So that's worth nothing. Then there's.
• 1:11:55
  No, I mean, right now they're essentially worth nothing out
• 1:11:58
  because this contract's about to expire that they're working on
• 1:12:02
  and, and, and it they're proving that it's whatever you'll give
• 1:12:05
  for it. Game Bridge paid 40 million.
• 1:12:09
  She's. Right.
• 1:12:10
  I mean fire, right? And you're just saying that it's
• 1:12:14
  true. That's true.
• 1:12:15
  The Charter, the the Stuart Halls Charters, I don't know
• 1:12:18
  what they're going for, but word on the streets, they're going
• 1:12:20
  for 25,000,000. That's not big.
• 1:12:22
  That's. A big gap.
• 1:12:24
  Yeah, it's a big gap. Word on the Street is the last
• 1:12:26
  charter that sold before all that was 13 million, you know.
• 1:12:31
  So my problem with it is that it's not about the value of the
• 1:12:35
  charter. I don't want to pay $30 million
• 1:12:37
  for something that I have no clue how to measure what it's
• 1:12:41
  worth. None.
• 1:12:42
  None, right. And I don't want to pay $30
• 1:12:45
  million for something that I also over here in the business
• 1:12:50
  model, I got to have 20 more million to run my race team and
• 1:12:55
  I might not make any money. Yeah, right, right.
• 1:13:00
  We're, we're, we're so sponsorship driven.
• 1:13:03
  Yes, we, we, you know, the fans there, they mean well, but the
• 1:13:09
  fan, the fans say, Wallace, you live in that $1,000,000 home,
• 1:13:14
  How do you say you didn't make no money?
• 1:13:17
  And I tell him, I said you don't.
• 1:13:20
  I win the Daytona 500 and I break even.
• 1:13:23
  I made the money on sponsorship. Jeggs pays me.
• 1:13:27
  Relationship. Jeggs pays me money, you know,
• 1:13:31
  Priority Aviation pays. It's my sponsorship is where I
• 1:13:35
  make, if I make anything. But as far as running 5th in an
• 1:13:39
  Xfinity race, that's it's a joke.
• 1:13:41
  You know, you run 5th, you get 12 grand.
• 1:13:43
  You know, it's something silly like that.
• 1:13:46
  I I think collectively it's a very difficult subject.
• 1:13:51
  It is could, could we sit down 30 million?
• 1:13:53
  I mean, yeah, we can round up $30 million.
• 1:13:57
  Does it make sense to round up $30 million?
• 1:13:59
  That's the question. It's not really about what it
• 1:14:01
  cost. It's about what makes business
• 1:14:03
  sense and sense for the future in an asset that you're going to
• 1:14:06
  put, you know, would you buy, would anybody out there buy a
• 1:14:11
  $500,000 house? If and then seven years they
• 1:14:15
  take it from you. Yeah.
• 1:14:17
  And 75 you or I mean, I know that the value of houses are
• 1:14:21
  dependent upon the market and all that, but you wouldn't
• 1:14:23
  knowingly buy a $500,000 house that you can't decide how much
• 1:14:28
  is it for or it costs you more to live there.
• 1:14:31
  And it's a flood zone. You just wouldn't do it.
• 1:14:33
  Yeah. You wouldn't do it, Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  OK, OK, so let's let's calm down for sake.
• 1:14:39
  Me and me and you both with with the charter.
• 1:14:44
  Well, here, here's what I say. I'm just simple, I'd say NASCAR
• 1:14:48
  says for as long as NASCAR's in, in, in, in the game, all
• 1:14:56
  charters are worth this. That way.
• 1:14:58
  If you I'm, I'm just OK, Don't nobody listen to what I'm
• 1:15:01
  saying. This is inside Herman's word.
• 1:15:03
  Inside. Herman, this is coming from.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah, well, this is the business one, you know, I listen.
• 1:15:10
  You look at Bud Moore, Junior Johnson, they quit.
• 1:15:13
  They had nothing. All they had was brick and
• 1:15:15
  mortar, old junkie old buildings that had been there for 100
• 1:15:19
  years. I would have liked further to be
• 1:15:23
  OK. If you are in NASCAR and there's
• 1:15:27
  only 39 spots, each one is automatically worth.
• 1:15:32
  Let whatever number you want. Calm down, everybody.
• 1:15:35
  I'm just going to say a number. Forsake 20 million.
• 1:15:38
  Yeah, OK, so Bud Moore, when he got old and couldn't walk
• 1:15:42
  anymore, and he said, listen, I can't walk anymore.
• 1:15:45
  My kids roughed up. Somebody want my spot?
• 1:15:48
  And he got $20 million. Yes, for his spot.
• 1:15:52
  For his spot that to me, that's all I'm looking at.
• 1:15:55
  So, so that's what that's what I also want to say because I mean,
• 1:15:58
  here's what here's I mean, I have so many thoughts.
• 1:16:00
  First off, NASCAR as a sport rocks.
• 1:16:05
  I mean, racing is, is just feeds my soul above anything else.
• 1:16:11
  You know, competition, just everything that we do here, like
• 1:16:15
  we, we've got a badass sport, right?
• 1:16:18
  Yeah. We love it.
• 1:16:19
  We love it. I mean, we can't get enough of
• 1:16:21
  it. The fans can't get enough of it.
• 1:16:22
  They're showing up each and every week that I mean, it's all
• 1:16:24
  great. Economics matter and they got to
• 1:16:29
  get the economics right. That's that's the problem.
• 1:16:31
  That's so your NFL and your MMLBS and all these people.
• 1:16:38
  And this is the problem that we have as NASCAR.
• 1:16:41
  We were the Junior Johnsons and the Bud Moores of the world.
• 1:16:45
  And we want to be who owns the Yankees or we want to be John.
• 1:16:49
  Well, it used to be. It used.
• 1:16:50
  To be John Henry of the Red Sox, right?
• 1:16:52
  Yeah. John Henry of the Red Sox.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah. But but the what it takes to get
• 1:16:58
  there is going to be painful for somebody.
• 1:17:01
  Yeah. Because you just can't flip the
• 1:17:02
  switch because we have too many constituents.
• 1:17:05
  We have tracks that have infrastructures and investment
• 1:17:08
  and constituents. We have race teams that have
• 1:17:10
  infrastructure, constituents and investment.
• 1:17:12
  We have NASCAR that has all of those things.
• 1:17:14
  We have drivers like to get somebody has to lose to get to
• 1:17:19
  be the John Henry of NASCAR for for us to become like other
• 1:17:24
  sports. And, and that's the goal.
• 1:17:28
  That's what Denny Hamlin's fighting for.
• 1:17:29
  That's what these people are fighting for.
• 1:17:31
  It's just that it's not going to work for all 36 teams in the
• 1:17:35
  sport today. Someone's going to lose.
• 1:17:39
  And I agree with that because, you know, Major League now this,
• 1:17:43
  what I'm going to say has to do with our sport.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah, not not everybody's equal. And I'm, I know, I know people
• 1:17:50
  get upset about that, but I'm sorry, you know, that's just the
• 1:17:53
  way it is when, when I look at Major League Baseball, our, our
• 1:17:58
  Cardinals, our, our eleven time world champion Cardinals,
• 1:18:02
  they're the second best team in all of baseball.
• 1:18:05
  And our value is worth way less because the city of Saint Louis
• 1:18:09
  is small. OK, so there's less people who
• 1:18:13
  pay money now. The Yankees, Chicago Dodgers,
• 1:18:18
  they're worth way more than us because there's way more people
• 1:18:22
  in their city. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:18:24
  Never thought of that. So we are the second greatest
• 1:18:28
  baseball team in history, 11 and and we're not valued very.
• 1:18:32
  High. Because we don't handle no
• 1:18:35
  people. So OK, we can go on forever, but
• 1:18:40
  but let's have fun with this now.
• 1:18:42
  And, and people don't like it anymore when I say we're coming
• 1:18:47
  to an end because there are people that love listening to
• 1:18:50
  you, Kelly. So I'm trying to train myself to
• 1:18:52
  say we're coming to the end. OK, my notes say this and, and
• 1:18:59
  this is something new. I'm I'm I'm using my notes as a
• 1:19:02
  as a side gig like. I I brought pen and paper in
• 1:19:05
  case you said something that made me want to talk about more,
• 1:19:08
  so I. I love it, OK?
• 1:19:10
  People expected Kelly and Dale to be Cup Series owners.
• 1:19:22
  I say that's a big burden at 50 years old it.
• 1:19:27
  Is. Comment on that.
• 1:19:30
  Yeah. I mean, again, you know, if you
• 1:19:32
  look at where if if you think about what it means to be a cup
• 1:19:37
  owner, what it means to be a cup owner today is that I need a
• 1:19:40
  very valuable charter to make it work.
• 1:19:44
  Do I put out the money for that charter today at 51 years old?
• 1:19:49
  And Dale's turning 50, right? I'm turning 52.
• 1:19:52
  He's turning 50. We're all of age.
• 1:19:53
  We're all. Of age, we're over 50.
• 1:19:56
  So, so I, I hope I, I hope I get to retire at 65.
• 1:20:02
  You know, I hope that I can go enjoy some life and, and Dale's
• 1:20:09
  like in a whole second life of his life, right, with marriage
• 1:20:12
  and kids and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:20:13
  So it's like you have this asset over here that can appreciate
• 1:20:18
  and provide value long term. But how hard you have to work to
• 1:20:23
  make the business model work? And do you want to work that
• 1:20:25
  hard for the next 10 or 15 years when you already worked 25
• 1:20:29
  years? Really hard to do what we do now
• 1:20:32
  and to be what we are now. We've got Dirty MO Media rocking
• 1:20:35
  and rolling our Xfinity team. I could run 8 to 10 cars if I if
• 1:20:39
  I had the facility and the ability.
• 1:20:42
  It's flourishing from the standpoint of being on track.
• 1:20:46
  Dale, Dale's doing TV. Dale's, you know, Dale's doing a
• 1:20:49
  lot of great things. So there's a lot of great stuff
• 1:20:52
  going on, you know, Yeah, we want to be Cup owners.
• 1:20:55
  It just has to make sense. And anyway, there's a lot of
• 1:20:58
  variables for it to make sense. Here's what I'm going to be a
• 1:21:02
  fan and pretend you're not listening to me right now.
• 1:21:05
  I'm at a bar, man. I'll tell you what Tim Earnhardt
• 1:21:08
  saw to do one of those like Hendrick.
• 1:21:10
  All to say, we're going to give you Kelly 5 million a year.
• 1:21:14
  We're going to give Junior 5 million a year to let us use the
• 1:21:17
  Earnhardt name. And they're each going to make
• 1:21:20
  10 appearances a year. But if I was in Earnhardt's, I
• 1:21:23
  wouldn't be involved in any business transaction because
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  because then they'd have to work so hard.
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  What's that sound like? I mean, we already work hard.
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  It works really hard. 5 million's not enough.
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  For each review, I mean, no, I mean, you know, I guess I mean
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  that would be easy. We've, we've talked to
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  investors, we, we could get the money.
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  Like I say, it's not about that. It's about we could get the
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  money all day long. Do we?
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  Do we, I mean, we are the kind of people that that want to be
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  responsible for our own success. We have skin in the game.
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  People ask me, oh, so how often do you go to work?
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  I go to work every single day. My day starts at 6:00 AM, my
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  first cup of coffee. I'm in this office at 8:30.
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  I leave this office at 5:00 every day except when I'm
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  traveling with Wyatt. That's the kind of people we are
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  that I mean, we just want to control our business.
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  We want to influence our business.
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  I want to be here for my people. I want my people to know me.
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  I want to know they know who they work for.
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  And that's just how we operate. You know, that's just, you know,
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  I got a e-mail, funny story, just because you were, you were
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  pretending to be a race fan. I got an e-mail yesterday that
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  said I don't have to read this and I don't have to respond, but
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  this was their idea. Their idea was to go in business
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  with Marcus Smith. He owns X many tracks.
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  They gave me the whole schedule of the tracks that we could go
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  run. And everybody should just leave
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  NASCAR and go do that like they did with IndyCar.
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  Yeah, well. Everybody's got an opinion.
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  And you know what, you and I know history.
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  The last time that all the Cup guys boycotted, you know, that
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  was very messy at Talladega. They took the Xfinity Series,
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  made them run the Cup Series and yeah, well, we, we both want
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  good and I got to tell. There's no good in that for
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  anybody. No, everybody loses in a
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  situation like that. Yeah, and I, I remember Chip
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  Ganassi roughing your brother up saying come on, Dale, you need
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  to be a cup owner. It's like 8 months ago.
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  Yeah. And I'm like, man, why would you
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  want to be a cup owner when everything's all good but OK?
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  This is truly the fun end. You chewed my ass out.
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  I texted you one time. I said hey, Kelly, Kelly, and
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  you said there's an E in there. KELLEYI just thought that was
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  funny. Yeah, I usually have to, you
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  know, you know, what's hilarious is like, especially when I
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  e-mail people and they write me back and spell my name wrong.
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  My my name's at the bottom of the e-mail and my name's in the
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  e-mail address. That really irritates me, but
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  I've had to spell it. Did you know, let me leave you
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  with the fun fact, because Dale just found this out.
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  I AM Kell. EY.
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  My middle name is King. My dad named me Kelly King.
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  My grandmother Earnhardt was Martha King.
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  My dad wanted to name me Kelly because he bought all of his
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  race parts from Kelly Auto Parts, whose family was Winston
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  Kelly, The Winston Kelly in our sport.
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  Winston's dad on the auto parts store in Kannapolis where my dad
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  went in his at 20 to go buy these race parts.
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  And he loved the name Kelly. And my mom wanted to name me
• 1:24:53
  Jacqueline. Jack, Jack Well or Jack Ellen?
• 1:24:58
  Like with the Q, Jacqueline or Sharon, I'm not a Sharon or a
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  Jacqueline. Jacqueline's I like the name
• 1:25:05
  Jacqueline but. You're you're well and they
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  couldn't figure out anything to go with Kelly and they finally
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  my dad's like Kelly King, Kelly King, Kelly King.
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  And so I was just telling Dale that the other day, nobody he
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  didn't know I was named after Winston Kelly's family for
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  thought and part stores. So that's where that spelling
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  came from. So we can blame it on them.
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  And and and and we're going to keep leaving.
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  We're we're we're we're keep ending.
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  And and then when I went to I flew to Charlotte yesterday and
• 1:25:31
  was on the last hub and and and I saw Winston.
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  I saw Winston Kelly, you know, with MRN and and runs the Hall
• 1:25:39
  of Fame Kelly. It really is amazing how many
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  people we just look at we go, they working, but they really
• 1:25:45
  are this is NASCAR is their life.
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  You I I just learned something. You know.
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  From you about Winston Kelly. A.
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  A A really, if I could sum up NASCAR, I would say NASCAR
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  equals passion, Period. Every single person that touches
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  this sport is passionate about it.
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  Yeah. And that's what drives it.
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  That's what drives all your decisions in life is passion.
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  Yeah, we're all very passionate about it.
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  Well, two things. First of all, I love you.
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  I love you. If I could hug through there, I
• 1:26:19
  would hug you. Listen, everybody, you just
• 1:26:22
  listen to the great Kelly Earnhardt Miller, and you can
• 1:26:26
  listen to this in podcast form, and it's a long one.
• 1:26:29
  So you're going to be able to listen to her from home on the
• 1:26:32
  way to work, then back home, then on your way back to work.
• 1:26:36
  This was a good one. And you can find us in iTunes
• 1:26:39
  and Spotify. Kelly, thank you so much.
• 1:26:43
  I want to get in the top five at least.
• 1:26:45
  OK, Kenny Podcast. You can't my goal, I tell
• 1:26:50
  Charlie, I said Charlie, I said when we get to 100,000
• 1:26:53
  subscribers, I'm quitting. OK.
• 1:26:57
  I want the silver trophy. That's all it's about.
• 1:27:00
  You want to quit when you're on the top right?
• 1:27:02
  But yeah, it's been a ton of fun, tons of fun.
• 1:27:05
  You know, I love you. I love all your commentary.
• 1:27:08
  You're one of the most fun people to follow on social media
• 1:27:11
  and listen to. And you just tell it like it is
• 1:27:13
  and and and I love it. No, we're all the same.
• 1:27:15
  I just, I don't, I don't do anything in NASCAR anymore.
• 1:27:19
  So I just all right, everybody, until next time.
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  We'll see you later.