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NFL Week 10 MNF Showdown | Dolphins @ Rams | DraftKings DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: The system's going clear the left.
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 3: Ember one? Tyler Tambaline here aka Toteg and Tambo back
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  Speaker 3: for another edition of the Monday night Football Showdown Show
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  Speaker 3: Here on the Ship, a nation YouTube station rounding out
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  Speaker 3: Week ten, got the Dolphins at the Rams and running
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  Speaker 3: just a minute behind. Hoop was a little nervous to
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  Speaker 3: hop on here today after the MBS situation yesterday morning,
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  Speaker 3: but he's here. He's happy to discuss. We got Hoopster title. Hoop,
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  Speaker 3: bring you in first. I did stick up for you.
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  Speaker 3: I will say this all the times you turned Najee
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  Speaker 3: Harris from dust to gold and dak you know, from
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  Speaker 3: the worst to the best. People are a little hurt
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  Speaker 3: on you for a guy that barely made the top
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  Speaker 3: ten in the Millionmaker yesterday at point four percent ownership.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I feel pretty good with my current
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  Speaker 4: position that MVS fucking sucks at football and can't really
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  Speaker 4: catch a football. So I feel good about that, that
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  Speaker 4: statement I'm sticking with that. Obviously pretty annoying that he
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  Speaker 4: turns into like Randy Moss for a slate, and you
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  Speaker 4: know everyone's blowing me up, which it is what it is.
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  Speaker 4: I deserve it, but I'm gonna still stick with the
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  Speaker 4: fact that MVS is not a very good football player,
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  Speaker 4: and he's not very good at actually catching a football,
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  Speaker 4: and he's been cut by many teams some of the
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  Speaker 4: best quarterbacks in the league throwing in the ball and
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  Speaker 4: never really retained a position on those rosters. So feel
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  Speaker 4: good with my position on MVS. No changes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the thing was, we did the takedown breakdown.
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  Speaker 3: You guys can go check that out. But at point
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  Speaker 3: four percent he was on nine lineups or so in
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  Speaker 3: the lottery, he made the top ten once it was
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  Speaker 3: in fifth place. With an overstack of that game. Not
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  Speaker 3: really manybody, not really anybody had the like perfect Bijon,
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  Speaker 3: NBS ministack or secondary. It was all in car stacks obviously,
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  Speaker 3: so at least they built it up that it made sense.
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  Speaker 3: But like I was telling them, you should be way
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  Speaker 3: more worried when a guy like Bijean, if you're way
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  Speaker 3: underweight on him or don't have any is crushing at
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  Speaker 3: that kind of ownership, then you should be about a
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  Speaker 3: point four percent guy hitting. It was just funny for
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  Speaker 3: the bit of the show. But title bring you in
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  Speaker 3: like the hat looks fresh. We all have the same
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  Speaker 3: hat on today. I think looks good man, so the
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  Speaker 3: hair is hidden. But what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Doing well? This was not playing as well. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean, man, I'm vs. The first one.
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  Speaker 5: I just couldn't help but just completely laugh the Homer
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  Speaker 5: Simpson the bushes the second one his ggs though. Man,
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  Speaker 5: of course the that's what Scantling does. Of course the
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  Speaker 5: guy had to bring it up at the end of
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  Speaker 5: the show or who. But yeah, it was a I
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  Speaker 5: mean it was an interesting Sunday. A couple of things
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  Speaker 5: that stood out. It was all in that Buccaneers San
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  Speaker 5: fran game. A bake your stiff arm On Bosa to
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  Speaker 5: send the play. That dude was completely balling, so so
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  Speaker 5: fun to watch. Second, screw Debo, that dude should never
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  Speaker 5: be a captain on a team. I don't care how
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  Speaker 5: many kicks you miss. That is not the way to
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  Speaker 5: approach it. And shout out that long snapper. That takes
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  Speaker 5: some balls man to stick up to a guy like Debo.
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  Speaker 5: He went after Moody, he took up for his kicker. Kicker,
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  Speaker 5: shout out long snapper. That was cool to see.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that called the What was the second one?
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  Speaker 3: You just said, you made me think of someone. What
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  Speaker 3: was the second one? You said?
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  Speaker 2: The Baker stiff arm on Baker's.
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  Speaker 3: Like, you know, like everyone knows what a stiff arm is.
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  Speaker 3: That was like holding stiff Bosa arm as he kept
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  Speaker 3: overing and then made that. That was incredible. Definitely. I always,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm hard on Baker and good for him
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  Speaker 3: showing out and doing his thing. Still seems to be
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  Speaker 3: to no avail, but overall, great season for him and
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  Speaker 3: good for DFS. But that was an incredible and just
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  Speaker 3: crazy play all around and wild day out there completely,
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  Speaker 3: So hoop. Any any other thoughts on yesterday's slate before
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  Speaker 3: we hop into this one quick? We got the the
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  Speaker 3: Dolphins at the Rams. We'll get there as usual.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of a weird slate. I mean, you guys,
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  Speaker 4: obviously to the numbers on the review overall pretty low scoring.
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  Speaker 4: I mean a lot of just mediocre type performances. But
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  Speaker 4: the one thing that definitely stands out is Man, Aaron
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  Speaker 4: Rodgers and the Jets are terrible. Man, They're bad. I
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  Speaker 4: mean they are they are not very good. Like that
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  Speaker 4: was pathetic. It's got to be over for him, Like
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  Speaker 4: you can't they can't move like there's just there's just
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  Speaker 4: nothing there and like feeding DeVante Adams, like when they're
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  Speaker 4: down by like three touchdowns at the end. I thought
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  Speaker 4: that was kind of weird, Like that's definitely the The
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  Speaker 4: thing that stood out the most is Man the Jets,
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  Speaker 4: Like if you make a move like that, like bringing
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  Speaker 4: in Devanta Adams, you better make sure you're like this
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  Speaker 4: close to being good, right, like this is the guy
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  Speaker 4: that's gonna make it all work, like to bring him in,
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  Speaker 4: and they look probably worse. You fired your head coach,
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  Speaker 4: like you you look even worse now. It's man, the
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  Speaker 4: Jets are done. Yeah, it was Rogers.
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  Speaker 3: That was another one of the games. It was crazy
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  Speaker 3: to you round up the slide Shuttar guy, the dirty
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  Speaker 3: Chek who's in Discord turning six hundred dollars into one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and forty thousand. He was anti sweating it down
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  Speaker 3: the stretch. He had second in the one to fifty
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  Speaker 3: power sweep the three max for forty k and he
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  Speaker 3: was winning the one hundred dollars single entry with one
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  Speaker 3: hunter k up top and kind of like the perfect runout.
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  Speaker 3: But then you you also had to be scared at
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  Speaker 3: the end of that Philly Dallas game because both those
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  Speaker 3: ones were blow its. Arizona took out all their starters,
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  Speaker 3: the Jets were really just not moving it anywhere or
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  Speaker 3: getting anything done. And then the the Trey Lance situation.
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  Speaker 3: He appears and this guy's all of a sudden gonna
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  Speaker 3: start sweating the Philly defenses because they're getting after him
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  Speaker 3: pretty good too. So yeah, pretty ye.
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  Speaker 4: I do wonder if Title is questioning his bat after
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  Speaker 4: that Lion's win yesterday. I mean, five interceptions from golf
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  Speaker 4: and still get the win.
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  Speaker 5: Literally the same thing as it was, the same thing
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  Speaker 5: as Lamar on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: They got down early.
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  Speaker 5: I got tagged for people in discord, oh three five
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  Speaker 5: hundred for who won the game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no, I'm not. Hey, give me a Lamar
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  Speaker 2: over golf any day.
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  Speaker 4: What wait, when it really mattered? Have you seen Lamar
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  Speaker 4: in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: It's a very small sample size. I will trust, I
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  Speaker 5: will trust the believe, and I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Think it's.
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  Speaker 3: We're on the same page. Title, No home, definitely little.
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  Speaker 5: Disappoint couple times that disappoints you.
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  Speaker 4: Every season. You're standards still taking that quarterback every season.
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  Speaker 3: It's like two seasons that he's seen him in that
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  Speaker 3: the first one he didn't even use. Yeah, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: we can have these conversations all day, but we'll see
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  Speaker 3: when we get there. The Lions did still pull it
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  Speaker 3: off against the Texans last night, that is correct, so
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  Speaker 3: you know they got the job done. Goff did throw
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  Speaker 3: five iron t's and they still got there is one.
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  Speaker 4: Thing though, man, like I tweeted it, but it's the truth.
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  Speaker 4: When he is off, he looks just like so bad
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  Speaker 4: like he was. It wasn't even the interceptions. He was
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  Speaker 4: like spiking the ball into the ground, like throwing the
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  Speaker 4: wide open receivers like it looked like drunk or something like.
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  Speaker 4: It was not. It was not good. And when he's off,
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  Speaker 4: it looks very, very bad. So that is something that's
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  Speaker 4: that's definitely concerning.
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  Speaker 3: Can't spell golf without off, And you also could have
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  Speaker 3: a Jared Goffel just got awful. You know, it's definitely
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  Speaker 3: certainly a thing to think about. But that's what it
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  Speaker 3: was last night. Go ahead title, Sorry, I.
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  Speaker 5: Got I got nothing. I was just laughing. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a it'll be a good bet. Like
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  Speaker 5: you said, the NFC is weaker, which is of course
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  Speaker 5: why it's closed. But like if if we're they're playing
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  Speaker 5: each other, and I know that, like, give me the
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  Speaker 5: Ravens all day, so that's what balance it off.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good bet it'll be fun to sweat throw
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Jared Goff is the biggest fraudut quarterback.
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  Speaker 4: Like the craziest thing. I'm not even gonna like defend.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to defend that statement because I actually
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Golf is all that good. I just
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  Speaker 4: think everything around him, Like their defense is very good,
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  Speaker 4: their offensive line is very good, the running backs are
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  Speaker 4: very good, uh A Monra and Jamison Williams are are
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  Speaker 4: very good. I think he's definitely one of the weakest
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  Speaker 4: parts of the Lions team for sure. So I don't
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  Speaker 4: actually fully disagree with that statement.
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  Speaker 3: This may come across the wrong way, but we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: move to this game the Dolphins at the Rams, And
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  Speaker 3: funny enough, is like Stafford and Golf are two guys
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  Speaker 3: I always confused, not confused because I know who they
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  Speaker 3: are and their teams, their football. It's like, is that
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  Speaker 3: the same for Stafford because you know Tyron Williams, Cooper Cup,
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  Speaker 3: Puka Nakula, like all these dudes around him pretty solid.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the spot that they're in looks pretty good.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes the team's saying, it's like when he was putting
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  Speaker 4: up all those big numbers. I mean it's literally, hey,
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  Speaker 4: like we're down by twenty, I'm just gonna chuck it
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  Speaker 4: to Kelvin Johnson. He's gonna catch it against three guys,
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  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, he's put up three hundred
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  Speaker 4: yards and three touchdown. Stafford is not a good quarterback either.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, so, and I mean come from the same
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  Speaker 3: classame team all that stuff. I mean, just what I
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  Speaker 3: was making fun of it was Flacco versus Josh Allen,
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  Speaker 3: and I was saying, Josh Allen is like Joe Flacco junior.
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  Speaker 3: It was bically the same. Like there, it's the same
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  Speaker 3: type of thing, like Flacco's older. So it's funny, even
• 8:58
  Speaker 3: though obviously Alan much better on right now. But I mean, realistically,
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: Flago got the MVP the Super Bowl all that. We
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: haven't seen Alan get there and do that yet. So
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  Speaker 3: it just was funny that that back and forth game,
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  Speaker 3: just throwing picks non stop, Darnold seeing ghosts and then
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  Speaker 3: goffed around out the slate. So we'll see who maybe
• 9:15
  Speaker 3: it's a defense slate tonight. This is the way it's
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  Speaker 3: been all weekend. But I'll start with you, what's your
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  Speaker 3: your grand scheme over you here, Hoop. I know we're
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  Speaker 3: waiting on Tyreek Hill news. That's the big piece of
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  Speaker 3: this slate, But then other than that, what's what's your thoughts?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's pretty big news. I think for
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  Speaker 4: the sake of this show, we probably mostly assume that
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  Speaker 4: he's in. Do you guys agree with that? Like, and
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  Speaker 4: it seemed like he's probably going to be in, I
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  Speaker 4: mean game time decision, they said. But as long as
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  Speaker 4: you guys are good with that, I think we should
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  Speaker 4: proceed with that assumption.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, agree, Yeah, yeah, I think it's right.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean with the one cave at caveat, if
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  Speaker 4: he's out, then yeah, it's a big downgrade to Tua.
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  Speaker 4: Waddle's going to get a boost, you know, anyone that
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  Speaker 4: potentially catches a pass for Miami, he's going to get
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  Speaker 4: a boost, and then more value is gonna come into play.
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  Speaker 4: But the overview for me, I think it's a really
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  Speaker 4: good spot for the Rams here, And like I haven't
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  Speaker 4: even what are they favored by?
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  Speaker 2: What is it like?
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  Speaker 4: Three or something three and a half. I haven't really
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: looked at the spread, but two and a half full strength,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Pooka Cup Williams, obviously, Matthew Stafford, like, I
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  Speaker 4: just think it's a really good spot for them to
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  Speaker 4: do some damage offensively. Miami is always a team that's
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: typically better at home opposed on the road, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: their seasons kind of in disarray. The Rams have a
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  Speaker 4: chance to turn it around. So I really like the
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  Speaker 4: the Rams here in this game. If you are betting,
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  Speaker 4: which you know we're not. We obviously don't cover sports
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  Speaker 4: betting a ton, but I think this is a spot
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  Speaker 4: for the Rams to win offensively. In terms of like captains,
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  Speaker 4: which we'll get into in a minute, I'll probably end
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  Speaker 4: up being Rams heavy because I just think the Rams
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  Speaker 4: get the job done here, and you know, Pooka Cup,
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  Speaker 4: Kiren Williams. I think one of those three has a
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  Speaker 4: very big game and is the captain you need. So
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  Speaker 4: we'll talk through it, but I think it's a really
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  Speaker 4: good spot for the Rams' that's my one big takeaway
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  Speaker 4: before we dive in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we never talked about it was a good week
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  Speaker 3: for us. We had the New England Yeah, the New
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  Speaker 3: England Patriots to cover and win, and they got the
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  Speaker 3: job done. We had Mike Tomlin off a by versus
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  Speaker 3: a rookie quarterback gets the job done there. So I
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  Speaker 3: mean a couple of good call outs in the sports
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  Speaker 3: betting frame. But title, I'll get your thoughts, like, definitely perceiving.
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  Speaker 3: At least I am as well with who I think
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  Speaker 3: we all are on the same page with the Tyreek
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  Speaker 3: Hill stuff. Good news is if he doesn't play, we'll
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  Speaker 3: know plenty of time in advance. We cover in the discord.
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  Speaker 3: We got an actives pretty much immediately, we update all
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  Speaker 3: the content within the next ten to fifteen minutes, update
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  Speaker 3: the discord, let them all know, and we'll be covering that.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't think there's any reason to do an
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  Speaker 3: if then as much today as there is on a
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  Speaker 3: certain other slates when it's really unsure.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, and I think it's you always talk
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  Speaker 5: about it, you're really excited, you have to get talked
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  Speaker 5: up for the slate.
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  Speaker 2: It's a I'm an indifferent to it.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a pretty good one in the fact
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  Speaker 5: of it's going to be relatively spread out. We have
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  Speaker 5: seven seven players that have a touch on better than
• 12:03
  Speaker 5: plus two hundred, which is interesting. Two and a half
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  Speaker 5: point spread not bad. Forty eight and a half total
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  Speaker 5: pretty high. Would be what the third highest on the
• 12:10
  Speaker 5: slate if it was full week behind the Bucks game
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  Speaker 5: and then the Ravens on Thursday night, and with the
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  Speaker 5: captain ownership being spread out.
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  Speaker 2: It's an appealing game that way.
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  Speaker 5: The thing is, when we get to like value and stuff,
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  Speaker 5: I think it's gonna get pretty condensed on certain people.
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  Speaker 5: And when it comes to our captains, I think I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna be more concentrated than I will not be. I
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  Speaker 5: think I got six in mind, which I guess is
• 12:34
  Speaker 5: six even concentrated.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows.
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  Speaker 5: But if you're playing like fifty sixty teams and you
• 12:38
  Speaker 5: play six, you can get pretty overweight at all of them.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that's how I'm gonna be.
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  Speaker 5: Values a little tough up top, though you're gonna have
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  Speaker 5: to get the guys right. Stafford eighty six above all
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  Speaker 5: the way up to kyri In a lot of those
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  Speaker 5: guys look very similar.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's obviously what's gonna be the difference today.
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  Speaker 3: He did you see someone talk about the news Caleb
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: Williams won't be benched. Someone reminded me, yes, their remember
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: this guy wanted to have ownership in a team. Take
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: that was really the funniest thing thing. And back on
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  Speaker 3: it now, it's so early in his career, shouldn't the guy.
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  Speaker 3: It's obviously just funny that you think, like you see
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  Speaker 3: that stuff in your immediate reaction to it, hoop anything
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  Speaker 3: on that one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it is funny. It's like, man, these
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  Speaker 4: kids out of college. It's like when when you're on
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  Speaker 4: a college campus and you're starting quarterback like that with
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  Speaker 4: a good team, like you're you're the you're the big dog,
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  Speaker 4: like you're the man, and like to make those statements
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  Speaker 4: coming into the NFL draft, Yeah, he's getting humbled pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, maybe maybe he will be good long term,
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  Speaker 4: who the hell knows. But this year, man, it's not
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  Speaker 4: looking good. He's had a couple of good games, that
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  Speaker 4: team is falling off a cliff like rather quickly, and
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  Speaker 4: he has not looked good either. And he's got weapons too,
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  Speaker 4: It's not like he doesn't have anything to throw the
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  Speaker 4: ball to. Keenan Allen has been great throughout his career.
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  Speaker 4: DJ Moore solid Uh, he has he has opportunities, but
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  Speaker 4: it's looked bad.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just has not been good. So yeah, well
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  Speaker 3: we'll talk about this.
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  Speaker 4: Sean, who's the backup? Do they have like a reasonable
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  Speaker 4: backup to go to.
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  Speaker 2: Or whatever?
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  Speaker 4: Whoever? It is probably looked better than you know, but.
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  Speaker 5: They that's a good story.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just gonna say, Sean, I don't I
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  Speaker 3: mean Shawn's I was in here grinding appreciate him and
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: a member over tiber Nations love to see it, but said,
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you means s E or s D.
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: It could be both, but I will say every every
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: slate when it's single entry is tough because you get
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  Speaker 3: one shot.
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  Speaker 4: Especially for a showdown when there's a showdown, for sure
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  Speaker 4: is very tough for single entry because there's not like
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  Speaker 4: the big time leverage pivots at every position, like and
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: when when you're playing a main slate you can find leverage,
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  Speaker 4: you can find pivots. Here you're dealing with a finite,
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  Speaker 4: finite number of plays.
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah it's both, but yeahs off but when as
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: single jury, and that's a good segue into the captains
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: whop I'll start with you, you know, condense captains tonight you
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: said mostly rams. That's what makes it tricky, right, if
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: you got a single entry or even in a three
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: max and you got to pick you know which which
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: guy's in me my capin night? Am I gonna play
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: two and one and one in the other If you
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: have three, if it's single under you gotta just pick one.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: That's what can make it a little bit tricky. So
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: you gotta be careful, you know, know your stuff before
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: going in and said in the sense of mindset, probably
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: gonna lose a lot more than you're gonna win. But
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: when you win, hopefully you know you win enough to
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: pay it all off and more. And then the other
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: side of it is just you know, bankroll management. If
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: that just gets you through to the next slate, playing
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: it that way, then that's the best thing for you
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: because you'll be sustainable, be able to be around for
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: when you do hit it on the head and get
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: it right. But go ahead, Hoop, you can take us
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: into the captains first.
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we're gonna start start this segment how
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: we usually do, and then we'll see if we come
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: full circle like we have a few times this year.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: But like the quarterbacks, I just don't have much interest
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: in either of them, Stafford or Toua. The Stafford. The
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: reason for Stafford just man he tends with Cup and
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: and Puka tends to like lock in on one, and
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: that guy's getting like a shit ton of targets. So like,
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I feel like if Stafford has a big game, either
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Pooka or Cooper Cup exceed his big game. So it's
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: part of the reason why I'm not super interested in
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: the Stafford stuff, but very interested in Puka and Cooper Cup.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: I think they're both phenomenal plays up top. If I
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: think the Rams have a chance to absolutely pound the
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Dolphins here, I have to have some interest in Kyron Williams,
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: but I definitely prefer the pass catchers over him. On
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: the Miami side, I think you can definitely take a
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: look at HM ninety four hundred in the flex in
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: the Captain, he's sitting at fourteen one, like he can
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: get there in all sort of games with We've seen
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: big time reception games out of him, so as they
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: are trailing, I think he's he could obviously benefit. And
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: then if Tyreek does play, what sort of ownership are
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: we showing on him in the Captain? Let me see
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: where's that at captain ownership tag? Probably I'm guessing that
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: probably comes down a little bit with this injury tag,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: but I don't even know if I'll get there. To
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: be honest with you, I prefer Cup and Pooka over
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: him and then Ahan. So my three favorites I think
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: by far, Cup, Pooka, h Chan, and then Kirin Williams.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: So those would be the four that I focus on
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: the most. If you know, we're mostly assuming Tyreek's in.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: If he's not, maybe guys like Wattle come into the
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: mix a little bit. But yeah, I'm gonna be very
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: very condensed up top most likely unless you guys kind
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: of talk me on to some of these other guys.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: I'm having a hard time selling anybody on quarterbacks today.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: If let's go all right.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: I'm excited to hear that, very actually very excited to
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: hear that.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: The thing is with the Stafford side is that he
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: could still spread it out when you have guys like
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Robinson and out Well, and I know Whittington's back in
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: in the mix now and tight ends that he could.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: So if I was going to one, it's Stafford, He'll
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: just be on my lower end of what I'm doing tonight,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: But it's really hard to get to the Tui side
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: because it's just it's going to be likely that it's
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Tyreek having a big game, a Chen having another big
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: game with which he has continued to do, and we'll
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: get to that. I'm sure Title will talk about him
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: in a second, or they you know, with Tyreek missing
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: some practices and stuff like that or limited and whatnot,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: they just get Wattle more involved than we've seen the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Wattle two touchdown games. So maybe it is something like that.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: So you know, if you want to go to someone cheaper,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: John who Smith the chat mentioned it, I guess would
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: be fine, But I don't have a lot of interest
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: there and I only and I get a little bit
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: more room for those guys if I play less or
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: none of the quarterbacks. So certainly something I gotta think about.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: As as that there was said, I saw something else
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: through Richard Payton. We did we save this for the
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: end of shows. We already did the whole d Wade
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: statue breakdown before, so we'll get to that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Then that's gonna end up turning into like the Grandma's wheelchair.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: I'm just or you're gonna ban it here pretty soon.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I want to address something though, because you know, yeah,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: this is the thing. This is factually right, but overall wrong,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: and it's not calling up my dude, we love go collect.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: I just want to explain this to everybody. That's why
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: when we bring the stone up on this one, try
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: and show you why you would want it for the
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: main slate. He is al lightly higher leverage than Kyen Williams,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: but Kyen Williams is the best. He's almost double the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: chance to be optimal in the Captain than Stafford, and
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: it's almost the exact same leverage. So it's not it's
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: not Stafford, even though Stafford shows good leverage and could
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: be even better. There's things other things in the fold.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: What if he comes in at ten percent on what
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: if you know this? What if Kyen only comes in
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: at five fifteen percent on sorry, which is a fifteen
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: instead of sixteen. So there's other ways to look at it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: But just want to want to let you know that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: So uh, yeah, at least you could do his hit
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: the like button, shout out to my guy Canadian could
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: be Travis and we'll keep it moving. But title, I'll
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: kick it to you your thoughts. I mean, I just
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: have a hard time selling you on these quarterbacks today.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good, because I wasn't. I didn't like him really anyway.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: I'm the exact same as you guys, the one sneak,
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: sneaky guy that I had in play, and I guess
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: it's not as sneaky as I thought was.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: The chat was saying it's John Hugh Smith.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: His snapcount keeps getting higher in the last six games
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: eight seven, six six. In terms of targets, like if
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: you're looking for a John Metchi of yesterday or what ever,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: He's the one again. Value is really tough.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Don't just play John new Smith captain and zero it
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: all out, but you can leave two k with John
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Hu and make pivots elsewhere. A Tyreek down to a
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: wattle or something. I mean, that's kind of out there,
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: but Tyreek to a chain whatever. It may be get
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: different at captain that way, But other than that, the
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: reason I mentioned in John, who is Cooper cup pooka Tyreek?
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: If he plays in a chain and I think that's
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: all I'm rolling John, WHU would be the fifth there
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: spend tough scenes for wattle. The quarterbacks, Yeah, especially you're
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: the whisper and you don't like it. I didn't like
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: it coming in, so I think that's pretty. And then
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Kyrien's the last one. I will say, I think he's
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: my least favorite of all of them, though due to
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: just the full point PPR upside with the savings that
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: the cups the Tyreeks of the world get you. I'm
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: gonna play some Kyrien, but I do rank it the
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: three stud receivers and a chain and then Kiren's below him.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: So yeah, that's six captains for me.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Wow, really shitting on Wattle over here said only three
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: stud wide receivers. No love for Wattle. This could be
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: this could be a Wattle game. I don't. I mean,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I'm avoiding the stone on this, but I'm certainly interested
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: in that side of it because I just think there's
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: always that scenario as well, that like if Tyreek, when
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Tyreek plays that to me, is actually better for him,
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Like it's still more opportunity versus what I hate when
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: it's down to just him and then everybody jumps on
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: board and you're getting over owned and potentially where the
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: defense can just say, oh, let me just guard this
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: guy and see what you guys can do without him,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: so I think that's at least somewhat interesting. And also
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Karen Williams, I hope he gets I hope he comes
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: in a little lower than he is. I don't know
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: if he will, but I you know, people tend to
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: like Cooper cup Nikua a Chan all this if Tyreek plays,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: so hopefully that because I still like Williams his you
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: can't beat the props and touchdowns and things like that
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: you get with him. It's a one game slate. He
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: can be involved in so many different ways, so I
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: do have interest in him for sure as well.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: So one thing to add on that conver I guess
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I just realized I really wasn't looking close at pricing
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: that Stafford is. He's only eighty six hundred. Like I
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: don't like the I don't like him as a playing captain,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: But like man, if salary does get tight, let's say
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I again, this is kind of a first look. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: haven't dug super deep into the slate all my content
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: and everything goes up after the show. This is kind
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: of a starting point for me. If we're tight on
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: salary and I need a little more savings, like I
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: could potentially add him into the mix just because of
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: that price is pretty cheap eighteen or eight eighty six.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: And then in the Captain he's only twelve nine, so
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: something to think about.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is, but that ownership price everything reflects this.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: So it's like it's when it's maked in already. You
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: use projections a ton, and you know how that is,
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: like you you're kind of double counting. That is the scenario.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: We know he's the you know number three right now
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: the way it's been, but if any week three, if
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: any spot for it to happen that you'd want to play,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: it is on a showdown. So that's what I said.
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: I'm literally ignoring it. I know why he's not going
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: to be very popular up top, but it's going to
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: be reflected. But I'm putting some no ball to the
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to the numbers.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: On my own.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: Now, I was talking about Stafford, like Stafford, you know
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: you were.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I just I heard your Point's good, it makes sense.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I was just explained to the chat about something else.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Gotcha, Okay, gotcha.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: The Stafford thing is like it does make sense because
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: in price range for him to what you were just
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: talking about is Nakua is only six hundred bucks more.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: And I think you said it. I said it. The
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: numbers reflected title was mentioning it is. That's just gonna
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: make sense. But if it's not Nakua and it's Cup, well,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Cup is a bit more to go up to up top.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: So if you end up needing that money, the way
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to flip it would be that. But other than that, obviously,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Stafford's gonna be very good in the flex. He's our
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: highest optimal in the flex on the slate for that reason,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: because you're not gonna get better than eighty six hundred
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: for a quarterback of a team favorite at home with
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: twenty seven points on the docket. So certainly think that
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: the penguin celebration he's talking about, there was something else
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do. Oh this, Richie Small, I thought
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: you were joking the first time you put it in there.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: This is usually the worst play on the slate that
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: you can possibly do, especially in a lottery. If it's
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: the Thursday night football won this week where we've got
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: like a forty four to forty four mega and there's
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: only five hundred and sixty seven people or something, you'll
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: get away with it a little more because while you'll
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: still chop it up. Probably it's like eight eight to
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: ten ways on a million plus the other prizes. Not
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: so bad in a lottery tonight. These lineups that can
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: let you play whoever you want will definitely get played,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: and they will be all the exact same in sometimes
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the multitudes of hundreds and plus on the dupe on
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the dupes, and then you're getting horrible return on your money.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: So just to note that, especially people that are playing
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: mme not something I usually consider. And if it works,
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: you just close up the laptop and move on to
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: the next slate. So title kick it back to you.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Any additional thoughts at the captain, if not any more
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: at quarterback before we go to running.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Back, No, not really anymore a captain.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: And then even in talking flex like, you can get
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: away with no quarterback lineups today for sure with all
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: the pukahs, the cups, the change the world price around it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: If you think Wattle has a solid game, he can
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: outscore them, et cetera.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: So especially to them man like, I like I'm with you,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: I like say effort much more than to if having
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: to choose. But yeah, the one thing that stood out
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: looking at my initial run was hardly any captain and
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: I wasn't even that jamming them that hard in the
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: flex either. But if you look at our percentage right
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: now to what we have at flex, thirty seven percent,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: so that is pretty low. Forty seven for Stafford that
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: also stood out. So yeah, I don't know if I
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: had forty percent. I guess in the flex it's a
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: little overweight with the field that's somewhere where I expect
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: to be around, So that really stands out. Actually, what's
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: your guys thoughts on sub ninety two hundred quarterback in
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: the flex?
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I definitely I'll be overweight. What's what's the number we're showing.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Thirty thirty eight six in the cat.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll probably be over by it by a little,
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: i'd guess when it's all said and done.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interesting.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: I'm with you. I'm building some without quarterbacks. So it's
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: certain on these two teams specifically because they can just
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: rack it up, right. But it's like, you know, that's
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: the whole setup of what type of game do you get?
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: And I guess that's the other question, title is if
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: we get a you know, twenty having the twenty four game,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: let's just match the team totals for a second, How
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: likely is it that one of the quarterbacks is not
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: on the lineup.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: It's so interesting because eight to six Stafford, nine Cake, Pooka,
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: nine two to one, nine to four Chain, nine to
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: eight Cup, ten k Hill and then ten eight Williams
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: like their price so similar.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: If you say it's twenty seven to twenty four, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: don't know, man, I guess Stafford gets there, it's probably
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Pooka or Cup.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: If two was getting there, Yeah, Tyreek can have big plays.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Maybe he drags him along with but a Chain's a
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: PPR monster Cup even if he doesn't get in the box.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. It's that's why it's so tough
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: up there.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: It's like, even if they get to their team totals,
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: those guys could just pook A Chain, Tyreek cut.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: We're not talking captain though, we're talking flex.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're both. They're all relative in the same
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: price in the flex too, where you can't play.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: All of them. Yeah, but if someone up to unless
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: you're gonna like to me, it's like a heavy running
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: back script then because it's like you got twenty seven
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: points on one side and twenty four On the other
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: if if it's Puka, he's probably up top, and then
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: it's probably Stafford in the flex. If it's you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: what do you if you have a chan up top
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: and Pooka and Cup in the flex but they scored
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: all those points, they've got touchdown, it's gonna be very close.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. But
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: I think you've got to tell that story when you're
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: building it with got to get some running backs in there,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: because like if they're scoring or it's what it's you're playing,
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: your lineup just naturally tells the story that there's less
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: points and it's the under right, because then it's just
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: who racked up ten for eighty and that could crush
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: a quarterback who really didn't do anything.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think there's enough.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: The Pukah's cups that chains tyreeks of the world have
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: enough just so like they can catch screens, they can
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: go twelve for ninety and not score. But there's just
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: so much PPR upside, and they can just jam them
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: so much that they don't need to bring the quarterbacks along,
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: and they're just at the end of the day, only
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: what three mats of Puka to a chain cup, Tyrek
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: and Williams can probably get there if you're playing one
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: at captain two in the flex, like say, only gets
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: you so far, especially on this value, I don't.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: I struggle.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: These quarterback prices are way too cheap and like you're
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: looking for a very perfect storm because it's like a
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: chance scores two touchdowns that still only gets them to
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: fourteen with the extras. And then it's like, on the
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: other side, we're not just gonna get a perfect storm
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: of four guys going eleven for one hundred with no touchdowns,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: so it would have to be very low scoring. And
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the problem I see is the quarterbacks are too cheap.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: If they were up in price, I would definitely agree
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: even more.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: But I if this game, don't you think pukastu chiap
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Cupstu chiap a change Stucci Tyreek'.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Stucchiap They are, But you're playing four of these guys
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: easily tonight, So to say it's four with no quarterbacks,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I struggle to see it.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we'll find out.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the beauty of this game. I don't know
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: who did you have extra thoughts on that or do
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: you want to talk more on running back.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Naturally, a majority of my teams are going to have
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: a quarterback in there. I'm not opposed to non quarterback teams,
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: like I think, you know, I think it could get there.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: I mean we're talking one game. We always say it
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: like anything can happen. I'm not actively gonna be building
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: for for no quarterback teams, but I think it's it's
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: viable tonight for for sure. And again, a majority of
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: my teams will have one of these two. I'll obviously
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: have more stafford than Tua, but uh, I think you
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: could potentially see it on the winner.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's like I said, it gets you
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: into a fine line and not against it. I'm just
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: saying I think it's like a Chan with a Tua,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: a chan Tyreek story, I mean, with like something like that,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and then you run it with kup Nikua on the
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: other side and whatever the two value plays are, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: you just hope that's how it shakes out. That's how
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: I could see it happening. But it's it's still pretty tricky.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, more than likely a quarterback will be there.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I agree with that.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I oh bad, I wish draftings would fix these quarterback
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: prices because it doesn't really to me add like a
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: huge element to the game. It's not to me, it
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: makes it easier more than trickier, and not easier to win.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: That's a fine line to walk. I'm not saying that.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I'm saying it just you can when you're thinking about
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: game theory, it's like this exact um, not argument, but
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: conversation we're having about it. It's like how it's just
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: they don't have to do very much and if those
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: other like if you're playing, there's only gonna be so
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: much of your portfolio that it could even be a
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: possibility because most of your lineups with kup Nikua, Tyreek,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: et cetera up top are also going to have a quarterback.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And then if it is a chan or something like that,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: you now have the money to spend, so it's just
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: naturally gonna get spent on it anyway. So very few
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: lineups will be without So if you're building those, you
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: can almost handbuild them or virtual handbuild and ship tomizer,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: turn off the quarterbacks and build that way and see
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: if there's any lineups that you love and make sense.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: And that's a great point from there that I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: is a way to look at it. You kind of
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: put that idea in my head that that's how I
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: would do it right. Just look at it, turn them off,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: build your lineups, and see if you like anything, and
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: if anything makes sense.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I will say, I fell asleep last night before the
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: fourth quarter. But you guys could talk. Can you like
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: there was no quarterback on the winner yesterday? Can you
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: guys compare any game? Scrip tell that game? I mean
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: there was picks left and right before.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I did that, wasn't there how many last yees?
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: There's a ton of.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Picks, but minus one doesn't hurt you that much. We're like,
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: you're still a kind of surprised. It's not like minus
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: wanted to get them.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: It's like a forty yard catch.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's I think the way non non quarterback
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: teams get their kicks field goals. Well, a couple of
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: fifth fifty yarders, which is what happened last night. So
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: these kicker kickers get to fifteen range, then you could
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: definitely start sea. You know, a couple of running backs
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: go off, the kickers kick some field goals, and you know,
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: another value guy kind of gets there. That's that's how
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: it's a one game played. I mean, it can happen,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: So all I was saying is I love those teams.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Title knows this. I build teams like this. We've talked
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: about a plenty where I'm in agreeance. I'm saying, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: think this is the slate that makes a little bit
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: trickier because you go a Chan up top with Jason Sanders,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: who this is how it would work, right, because that's
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Jason Sanders going to kick some field goals. Is going
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: to hurt two Chan is certainly gonna hurt to a
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: most likely if he especially he does it on the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: ground and not from checkdowns. Well, then it's easy to see,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: like kut Nakua on the other side, just rack up
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the catches and not need the other. But now tell
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: me five other lineups where it makes sense, and it
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: just starts to get trickier and trickier because like, well,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: it kind of just is the same build at that point.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: So it's almost like you you handbuild yourself the five
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: versions that you can believe in, and other people have
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: handbuilt them too, and then after that it's like everything
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: else has a quarterback in it, and they're just underpriced.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: That was a good conversation and a good way to
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: talk about it so that other people can kind of
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: see where our head's at. But anything to add on
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: running backs, title, anything else you want to talk about there.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Moving to running back. It's so this Blake Korham stuff
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: is like I don't understand.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: He goes he hardly has got any snap, but at
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: least six snaps, eight snaps, then he gets one snap.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Hiring's done pretty much everything. What are we showing Blake
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Korham's ownership at five percent? Four percent unless you guys,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: for some reason thinks he gets mixed in more. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: just don't see a reason to play any other running back.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: The Rams bought Kyron on the other side for Miami.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: You have moster price all the way up at seven
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: point four k. And he continues to lose snaps because
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: he can't belong in the football. He had forty six
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: percent last week, only twenty three percent of snaps this
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: past week. In week nine, they're mixing in Jalen right
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: more the rookie, and then alec Ingold is getting a big,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: big and I shouldn't say big big, but thirty nine
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: percent two thirty one fifty four.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Another Wisco boy shout out Wisconsin over here.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: But full back that can catch some passes out of
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: the backfield that muh Mike McDaniel's not worried about, like
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: not scared to get them the ball.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: They trust him.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: I don't mind a little alec Ingle on a slate
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: where value is really really really bad, assuming he does play,
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: I see a Q tag, but four hundred bucks on
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: a sight with no value, he'll be on the field
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: thirty percent forty two thirty nine. It's really weird to say,
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: but he has my third favorite running back in this range,
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: behind of course at Chain and Kyron.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah what about what did you say anything on? Right?
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: The chap was just talking about him, So all.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: I said was a snapcom went up three k. I
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: initially wasn't gonna get any because you still got to
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: do something at three k and this what Yeah, nine snaps,
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: three snaps. He's electric unless you talk me into it,
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: like I much prefer the Parkinson's kickers. D's John who
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: even angle for cheaper, But I mean that's why.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: It's John who like for sure, and I know he's
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: getting ownership, so that's your argument like that somebody can
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: have not yours but just in general. So I mean
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: that makes it tough.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: We'll get j like give the OBJ, I guess even
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: though I don't like him, it's.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: It's obj revenge against the team he won a Super
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Bowl from the hospital bed with after the injury, so
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: as much revenge required, he just gets to look at
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: the ring every day when he wants to. But this
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: came up to Hoop and then I'll kick a dude
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: for running back like handbuild more in main slate, and
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: then new ones brought this up. That's the thing, right,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: In a main slate build, everyone starts with the quarterback,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: builds out a stacking piece, and then adds someone from
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: the other side, typically or something along those lines. But
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: then they have no clue where to go from there,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: or it gets to be like they get to the
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: second step and they're worried about the third or the fourth.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: In Showdown, it's fully correlated because you're building six spots
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: one game, Captain Worth Moore, you know the game. That's
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: why I love this game so much more to it
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: from that perspective versus different conversation on the main slate.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: But it also makes it a little bit easier. I
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: think for people to build lineups that make sense, they
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: feel comfortable with them. Everybody, you know, hoop is one away?
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Oh I just two spots away in games slowdown, Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: you know that's the one that we always get. But
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: go go ahead and talk to it.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Is.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: It is tough in regards to that question, just because
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: like when you talk game theory roster construction for showdown rightfully,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: so you know, we say, keep a game score, how
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: do you think this game is going to go? Like
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: what's the score at the end? Like game script type stuff.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: But then it's like you look at the winning lineups
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: at the end and it's just like randomness. So the
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: right way is obviously to build towards a certain type
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: of game, but man, it's one game high variance, like
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: anything can happen, so makes it difficult. But if you
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: are handbuilding it, you probably want to stick to a
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: game script. I like I like the Rams tonight. I
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: think the Rams could put up a lot of points.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: I think potential blowout, so I would build a RAMS
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: heavy team consider the Rams defense that sort of thing.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: But it is it's tough either way. Running backs, I'm
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: pretty much in agreement like Kyrom, Williams, h Chan both
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: good in Flex and Captain I haven't built yet. My
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: goal is to avoid as much as possible Quorum, right Ingled,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: and definitely Mostar. I don't want Mostard at seventy four.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Like at seventy four hundred, Mostard has to do a lot,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: and he's got to get close to some of these
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: high end wide receivers that we talked about on the
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: RAMS side, Like he's got to do a lot at
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: seventy four. So I think that's an easy fade. I
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: don't know how much value I'll need, but I am
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: hoping I can side with some of these pass catchers
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: over Korham right Ingled. I mean, who knows what Quorum's
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: role is, Like Title is saying, it's like all over
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: the place. It doesn't make much sense, right like at
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: three k it's you know, kind of getting close to
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: those kickers, and then I guess Ingle, I guess, I
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: guess Ingol's my favorite at four hundred just because of
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: these four hundred dollars. I don't know, but I don't
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: want to play much of any of the other guys
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: besides Williams.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: And a Chan.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope for sure that, like I said, I
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: keep going back to it, but I hope that Williams
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: gets overlooked for when Hill news pops like we expect
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: it will, and he's in, and people already on a
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: chan for how good he's been with Tua and Cooper.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Cup is obviously getting a million targets a game, and
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: games healthy with Stafford and Nakua would be if he
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: could stop punching people in the helmet all this stuff.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: So plus two twenty five for multiple touchdowns for Karen
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Williams a chan is plus six hundred for the same thing.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Yet it looks like their ownership will be identical and
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: the price is more. It's baked in, like I just
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: said about the previous guy, but in showdown, doesn't really
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: matter as much about like two K when you're already
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: paying up at captain to go up to a guy
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: like Williams. So I like him in the flex and
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: at the top, but certainly in Captain more like we
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: talked about earlier. Go go ahead your thoughts on that one.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: Oh, I know, I'm shitting I know, OBJ. I mean,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: I think everyone's applying this to the game tonight, not
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: necessarily in the past, Like he was a great, great
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: wide receiver obviously in the past, but you know I
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: was much more athletic five years ago as well. You know,
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: father time always catches up. So in terms of tonight, OBJ,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: he's not the same guy was six seven eight years ago.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly that's people got to remember that, right, you
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: can still be very young but old for the NFL
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: at the same time. Right, we see some of these
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: young guys coming up and they're you know, like what
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: the guy say yesterday, when Title gets to high school,
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: the member boost is going to be huge at at
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: ship in Nation. But it's like, yeah, young guys versus
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: the old guys, that's really what it is, and just
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: part of the game. Title, I'll kick it back to
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: you man. Anything else there that you wanted to round
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: it out, if not take us into a wide receiver.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: No, like the Moser price is really big, but again,
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: if you want to get different, you know, he's plus
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: one forty five to score. But the problem is at
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: that price, he needs to do more than just get
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: an eight yard touchdown, Like he's got to get there.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: But if you're trying to win all the cheese, that
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: is a clear pivot.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: You play a lot of lineups for those people playing
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: five to ten or less, which I think is majority
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: of the audience, that's when I wouldn't get there.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Of course, corm right, you're playing a lot of teams.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: You can mix them in, but it's just alec Ingold
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: just stands out by far as my third favorite because
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: on the field forty percent of the time he outsnapped
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: moster last game he almost outsnapped most of the game before.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: He did outsnap him the game before, and he's a
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: lot lot less seven K. So yeah, not eagles on
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: the field, mainly the block and stuff. I'm not trying
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: to say go one hundred percent alec Ingold, but honest slate,
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: that value is tough. I at least like when I
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: know my guy will be on the field to have
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: a chance wide receiver, I'll start a ram side because
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: I think it's I guess neither side. Obviously, Cooper Cuff
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: and Pooka. DeMarcus Robinson has clearly been the number three.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: I think he's a very solid play and arrange that
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: I mean kickers defenses. Jalen Wattle, like you drop down
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: Jalen Wattle to DeMarcus Robinson and say one thousand. That's
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: a way right there. You can eliminate a lot of dupes.
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: I'll be looking at little stuff like that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Maybe eliminated cash too.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe for.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Sure, But it's not it's not how often you win,
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: it's when you win, how much you win. So that's
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: how I built. We are just talked about it. How
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: much variance in one game? This that of course, So
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: when I win, give me all the cheese. Don't just
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: give me a little of this?
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: What about Wattle at four percent captain? Though I might
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: still that might be how I win when I'm right
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: and all.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: For sure, I'm not saying I'm fading Wattle.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: I know Wattle Truther. It's just more of a game now.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: But it is kind of funny that he does thinks
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: he's done.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say that gap and owner ship's gonna tighten.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: I don't think that Wattle is going to be eleven, twelve,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: thirteen percent higher own than DeMarcus Robinson. People are liking
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: DeMarcus Robinson. I think I think it's closer between the
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: two for what it's worth.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, someone, our guy Joe wants him in the Captain
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: here maybe too.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: You Rob here, Joe's got his playerpool set OBJ and
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: D Robin the captain run one fifty, Let's go Hoop.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Wants to get another clip. Ran back on him tonight, Joe,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: He's buddy Kevlar in the discord. He's gonna be all
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: set tonight. So also, by the way, go means business.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Check that shout out.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Oh Joe, ain't fucking round man, You can tell, you
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: can tell?
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Locking in Gold, I guess title you were gonna go
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: into wide receiver and I cut you off. But I
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: would ask one more quick question I have, and I'm
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: sure the chat does too. How are you when you
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: do you know your in Gold lineups? I know, I'm
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: not saying you're going from scratch to handbuild them or something,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: but just saying like, what are you looking for him
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: to land in? What type of situation do you Is
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: it just to make studs work? Do you have a
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: certain script where you're like, oh, that would make a
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: lot of sense there, so I'll use him. How do
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: you use a guy like ingold A in a one
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: game slate like this?
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: To be honest, I do not really care.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: I just probably like if you just keep scrolling up
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: like who will else you could play Blake korm at
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: one two. The dude played one snap last time. You
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: scrow up a little more Tyler Johnson, he's the fourth receiver.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: I was gonna talk about him little bit. He's in play.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: But again, a guy Alec Ingle will be on the
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: field more Lake Washington. We'll touch on him wide receiver
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: for an OBJ right there. Why can't ingld outscore them?
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: So it really just comes to Jalen Wright two to two,
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: at three to two, Parkinson at three four, the defenses.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: It just really comes down to I don't think there
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: needs to be a specific game script. He can be
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: on both of them.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: It seems like its.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: More for you to boost up, just give me the
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: points elsewhere. Yeah, but the guy like him versus if
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: you saw a Korum lineup. Not to harp on this one, truthful,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: it's like, if you saw a Korum line you're like,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: that has to make sense. It's like a five to
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: one Rams blow out. He got in there. It's a
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: non kirrant where it's like, if an injury happened, it
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: would win me all the cheese. We're probably not gonna
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: build for that, but at least then you'd want it
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: to make sense versus ingold is just a means to
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: an end. It's like, give me the give me the
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: money so I can build up elsewhere. So great answer.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: I think that helps people when they're trying to, you know, think,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: how would I even get them into my single entry
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: or my five max or whatever I'm doing? Sorry, go ahead,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: go ahead. A wide receiver.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: To add on to that point, we've seen it more
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: in the past, not necessarily like this year because of
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: the pricing it's been a little softer, but there are years,
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: you know, the last previous three years there's been a
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: lot of slates where you needed five guys and you
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: needed a two three, four hundred dollars or two hundred
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: or four hundred dollars player, and it didn't matter what
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: they did, like two points and like that was on
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: the winner. We haven't seen much of it this year,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: and I think it's because of the softer pricing, but
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: it has happened a lot in the past.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and this like like there's a lot of studs
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: up top and the value down below is tough.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: So I can paint a picture where it could be
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: four point four, six point three, two point four or
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: five point two. It's four games he's had is six
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: three on the winner of five too. I'll take my
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: chances at four hundred and the ownership. So as far
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: as like the krum stuff painted game script, I think
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: Jalen Wright would be better in trailing game scripts. Most
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: arts out need more explosiveness. I'll definitely lean more game
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: script that way. Good question there, So I kind of
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: talked about. I guess like the wide receivers going down,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna play some de Marcus. The last one that
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: is getting some work is Tyler Johnson. Again, he's just
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: a punt on a value that's really tough down below.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: But Cooper cup Book DeMarcus, you have to know he's
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: number four and two two is getting a little mixing
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: in action as well. So that's why we haven't projected
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: ownership wise so low. The more teams you build, that's
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: when I'll mix in Tyler Johnson. But I don't love
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: it at all. Other side, it's clearly Tyreek and Waddell.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: They do.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: They do run a lot of two receiver sets.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: They use Ingold a lot, they use Moster and a
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: chain sometimes Jalen Wright et cetera. So you're not gonna
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: see a lot of three receiver sets. When they do,
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: it's either OBJ or it's this leagal Washington. Guy Washington
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: has outsnapped OBJ in the last three four weeks, which
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: is interesting. Note right there again, I guess maybe Washington
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: over OBJ. At the end of the day, I would
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: max one of them. It would just come down to
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: probably their trailing.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: They need to throw more. Five points is enough from
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: one of those two.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: I don't like any of them though, Obj, Washington, Tyler
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Johnson two to all them, like, I want to avoid
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: them more.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: It's gross down there. But that's the story of the slight.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a good breakdown. I think
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: that's something too, Just to keep in mind for the
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: RAMS side, I think it was mentioned in discord earlier
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: someone said it, but the the RAMS won't dress them
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: all anyway, probably like well, we'll know in inactives what's
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: gonna happen, because like Whittington is supposed to be coming
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: back or I guess healthy enough to come back. But
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: what if they don't, right, what if they just run
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: it with atwell Johnson and then they already have Robinson
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: in there with their two guys their main so it's
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: like we'll see what happens when we get an actors,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: but no sense doing if it's like I said earlier,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Obj Washington, definitely separating them. Not going to land on
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: too normally anyway with these projections, but obviously that all
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: changes if for some reason Hill wasn't active. So just
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: got to look at that stuff when we get closer
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: to it. Not going to try and do too much
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: more with that hoop. Did you have anything else at
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: wide receiver you want to add on?
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: It's tough. I mean, this is usually, you know, one
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: of my favorite spots to kind of find some value.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Like these cheaper wide receivers they paid off a lot
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: this year, but these are two teams. When everyone's playing,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: it's very consolidated. Like it's the Rams are throwing the ball,
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: it's likely going to Cooper Cup or Puka. If the
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Dolphins are throwing the ball, it's likely going to Tyreek
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: or Waddles. So like these cheap wide receivers don't look
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: great on the slate. You know, I think a lot
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: of people are looking back to the Rams from last week. Well,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: one thing to definitely keep in mind, like Nikiya got
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: ejected rather early, so all these guys got a few
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: more routes, they got a few more targets, like that
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: HiT's going away tonight because unless he gets ejected again,
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: like his ass is going to be out there. So,
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: like to to Tyler Johnson, like not great plays.
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: Probably have to look at some of these guys by
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: necessity though, if you do want to go with the
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: expensive captains, probably have to embrace some of the risks
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: with these guys.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I'll play most of them, but I don't feel great
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: about it. I'll be honest. I'd probably side with the
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Miami guys like Odell and Malik Washington. I guess over
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: the Rams guys, but none of them look great. I
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: mean it's Pooka, Cooper Cup, Tyree Waddell, DeMarcus Robinson are
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: very secure. The rest man. It's a lot of question
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: marks obviously with them.
• 47:45
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• 47:46
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• 47:49
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• 47:51
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• 47:54
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• 47:56
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• 47:58
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• 48:00
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• 48:03
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• 48:05
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• 48:44
  Speaker 3: so I'm good with it. But I got nothing else
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: too much to add at wide receiver. I just will
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: say the Wattle thing stands out, and I'm not a
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Wattle truther. I don't love him anything to do with that.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: I just think it's funny in this game, like it's
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: it's only weeked, it's ten weeks of a season. Sample
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: size is small. I know in reality that's over fifty
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: percent of the season regular done, but it's like, how
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: does the guy just never have another good game? What
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: if it's on this slate and show it on tonight.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: We're getting four or five percent in the captain, we're
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: getting lower in the flex. There's other guys around him,
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: and I get that, but I actually do have interest
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: in Wattle tonight. So I'm gonna, you know, stand on
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: that one and go from there. So title anything else
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: you want, man if not go to tight ends and
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: anything else from there.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: It makes sense the Wattle stuff, especially the more we
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: talk about it, because it doesn't force you. If you
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: don't want to play one of these punts, he can
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: go kickers these more more mid tier ish. We're gonna
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: get to these tight ends. I will say, jo, I
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: really like Johnny today. It's no secret though the ownership's coming,
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: so no hot take. But I mean he has a
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: higher receiving prop than DeMarcus Robinson thirty four and a
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: half for John who isn't crazy And I've always just
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: been a fan of John new Smith.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: I test why's he actually can catch the ball.
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: Turn up field and make a move, which I feel
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: like is better than half of these statutes.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: So I'm in on John new Smith. You can lead
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: money on the.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: Table with him the set. My second favorite, I think
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: is Davis Allen at two hundred bucks. The reason for
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: that he led the tight end tight end room in
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: snaps last week at forty two fifty Hunter Long at
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: thirty four percent. Kobe Parkinson had forty two percent, which was.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: By far a big drop off.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Kobe. Did he get hurt or something? Parkinson? What's what's
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: the reason for that?
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Just? I don't know.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: You tell me, I just go off the PI.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't think he got hurt. I just it
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: must be like poor player or something.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: It was just the problem is like, yeah, Parkinson, I
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: got a shout out Land of Parkins didn't play the
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: entire second half?
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, was he hurt?
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: The problem with Parkinson is he just doesn't even get
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: looks like to zero two targets, two targets with these
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: guys back. I don't know though, No, he just got bench.
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: He said, yeah, that makes sense. A better blocker, a
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: guy that literally can't do anything. Yeah, So Davis Allen's
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: my favorite there. The problem is it's like we're hoping
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: for David Allen has literally done almost nothing all year,
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: like he's just gonna be on the field, and you
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: hope for a catcher too long. He's gonna be on
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: the field. He's very cheap. Do you want to mix
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: him at six hundred for really low ownership? Durham Smice
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: the other one on the Miami side, he ran forty
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: three percent of snaps.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know, he's one thousand bucks. Do I like
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: any of them?
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: Know?
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: But you need value that's gonna be on the field.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: And I could see this as Slate being three of
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: those guys up top absolutely nuke or four of them
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: and you just need three four points from down below.
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: And I haven't seen it this year. We saw it
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: multiple times in the past couple of years. It's just, man,
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: it is It's gross. Like DeMarcus Robinson, OBJ Whittington, Jalen Wright,
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: like those guys aren't great either for two k more.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: That's why I find myself going to this ingold Allen
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: stuff in the hundreds and I know they'll be on
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: the field, but I like John Newsmith.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: That's the main takeaways ident.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I will say real quick, we just did the takedown
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: breakdown and this is thrown down completely different guys like
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: Davis Allen them in the flex. I'm not playing them
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: at captain. I would explain why that's typically horrible. But
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: just to note yesterday we saw it. The actual winning
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: million Maaker lineups and the big dog tournaments and stuff
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: were the balance builds those that just avoided that. And
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: for example, going back, it's not to keep pushing this
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: one because now I'll get in trouble when you know
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: nothing happens from him. But like if you go waddling
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: the captain, maybe it's like tuuh and John hu Smith
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: in the flex. You know kicker, you know two other
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: dudes you don't have to punt, But obviously if that's
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: the way the game goes, then you probably do need
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: to punt, and you will need those like Landa says
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: shout Atlanda but like, you don't know if you need
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: those stunts tonight. You don't know how anything about what
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: you need tonight until the game happens. You might need
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: two kickers and two defenses. It's it showed out literally
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: anything can happen and you don't know what it's gonna
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: be a lot of people would have said you need
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: tanked del last night with no Nico Collins. Not the
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: case right, eight points or something. So lots of other
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: stuff going on, But just got to keep that stuff
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: in mind. So who else was there was somebody else
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: here that brought up another good point. I was gonna say, oh, Ross,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: this is true too. It's not like he's had a
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: ton of amazing games. That's not what it's about, right
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: on a Showdown slate. It's what could happen and what
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: could that turn into and help your lineup. I game
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: an example of how that could work. It could be
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: John who in the captain and then a balance Bill
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: without the punts. It could be a balanced captain like
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: John or up to Waddle with a punt and more
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: studs in the flex. Like there's so many ways, and
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: that's why this game is so fun and so good.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Just to play. So somebody asked it earlier, Hoop and
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: I'll let you take over tight end, kicker and de
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: But this is a slate I love. You know, when
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: I talk about these slates, it's like there's only so
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: many punt plays, but there's enough to make it still work.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: You can definitely leave money on the table from a
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: certain receiver down to the next one. The captains are
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: really spread out and people can't figure it out. That's
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: the slates that I like a lot more than when
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: it's you know, Chiefs should win with a five to
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: one tonight and everyone's just jamming the same thing, and
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: if it happens, you're dead to all the dupes. So
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: dead to the dupes is not something I ever want
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: to be. But who I'll kick it.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Over to you.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah it is.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: It's not like the value plays of this slate. I
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: mean there's a couple that look good. I mean, Johnny
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: Smith definitely looks like a solid value at forty four,
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: But I mean everything else that that's cheap, a lot
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: of question marks, and again that all changes. Obviously if
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: Tyreek is for some reason ruled out. We've been under
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: the assumption during the show that he does play. But
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: as the stands now, you're gonna have to embrace some
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: risk if you want some of these expensive captains Parkinson Allen,
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, the Allen's tough. I mean, if it
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: wasn't injury related like this could be a shift like
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: they don't like Parkinson, So I think a guy like Allan,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe a little bit of Long makes some sense,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: but to me, like Smith is by far, you know,
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: the best tight end play. Obviously the ownership's following, but
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: it's kind of a necessity on the slight the forty
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: four hundred dollars price tag, so good good with him.
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: I will have some Parkinson Allen and then I'll have
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: to see on like Smyth and Long. But you know,
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Smith and Allan for sure are the two tight ends
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: that are standing out.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: You know what I just remembered who to a great breakdown? Sure,
• 54:59
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• 55:01
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  Speaker 4: Potentially a little more interest in the defenses today just
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: because man, again the comparable plays in their pricing range
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: are super risky. Like I don't know, I'll see when
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: I go and build teams, but I'm definitely open to
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: a little more defense. Four K for the Rams, thirty
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: six hundred for the Dolphins. We'll see when I build,
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: and again that'll be up on the site. And then
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: definitely good with both kickers, Sanders and this Cardi dude,
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: five K for Sanders, eight forty eight hundred for for Cardi.
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: So good with both kickers, and a little more open
• 57:03
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• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, title, anything to add on that stuff for anything
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: else you see there, No.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely playing the Kickers. Yeah, the ranges, that's tough.
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: I was trying to see who, like is a lot
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: of the most sacks or something this year because eye
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: test wise, it feels like Stafford gets the art. Just
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: my brain, it feels like Stafford gets the ball pretty
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: quick and limits mistakes, whereas I mean, we've seen Tua
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: get absolutely murdered multiple times to get hold on the ball.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: So i'd lean rams d you if having to pick,
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: But I have no numbers to back that up. So
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: I'm playing the Kickers one hundred percent. I think they're
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: really strong plays in a really tough range.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy too, because you know it used to
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: be everybody would like over adjust to what they've seen.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: So all these interceptions yesterday, even last night, the latest
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: slate we just played, which a showdown last night. People
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: see all these interceptions, yet it doesn't move the needle,
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: like people still know it's Kickers, and then people still
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: bitch that it's Kickers, like you know on Twitter X
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: for everyone to call people say, oh it's the worst.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: Can't believe these kickers keep dusting me. Yeah, they're priced
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: for nothing. They're gonna get chances the clocks just end.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: The half just ends. Things like that where just more
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: opportunities that they happen to have. But it's just funny.
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: That's the way it goes. Nobody overreacts to these defenses,
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: though they both still look to come in pretty low.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: And I think it's tough still though, because you said
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: it title like Stafford doesn't usually make a lot of mistakes.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: It's short throws to these guys, or it's get the
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: ball to Kien Williams, that sort of thing. And then
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: on the other side, especially when they got all these
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: dudes healthy, it makes it even tougher. So assuming Tyreek
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: is in like, it's not gonna be a lot of
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: mistakes that way, so it is a little bit tricky
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: to get to them versus the Kickers just fit easily.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: I think some of the conversation will be, you know,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: John hus Smith versus Jason Sanders. Obviously you are allowed
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: to play both in those balance builds. It works all
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: these other factors, but very similar price, and it does
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: feel like more people go to John hu and that's
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: what our ownership numbers reflect right now. We'll see the
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: other side though, Like Parkinson we talked about, it's really
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: tough to get to him. But even I don't know.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: DeMarcus Robinson versus Joshua Cardi like, how does that play out?
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: But they're kind of close enough or similar. We can
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: just play one or leave the other that too, So
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's gonna be interesting to see what
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: we get. We'll have all the stuff up on the site.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: Good good point here, Philly Fantom just grabbed ship Deviser
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: the other day, added it to his memory him.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: So very easy to use, very very especially with the
• 59:15
  Speaker 4: sport like mma. I mean, it's very simple. It comes presets,
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: so you're not getting guys in the same fight. So
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: uh yeah, com paired with our content, it's definitely winner.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: What would do?
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Hey? Hoop? Sorry, don't play the.
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: Five fIF you don't want that smoke. Yeah, stay out
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: of that one for sure.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: No sweating the five fifty five hoops in there?
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: What is it? Three wins and two seconds in the
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: last ten or four?
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: Four wins two seconds and yeah the last probably Yeah,
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: eight to ten weeks. It's been an incredible run. Maybe
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: if I just need to stop playing NFL and just
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: focus on and I'll be retired here pretty soon.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there is three there is tutorials those are actually
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: free on the site as well. I'm not bringing it
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: back up, don't care enough, just to you know, if
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: you guys want to check it, by all means we
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: appreciate you. But I'm saying that you can go into
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: the site and see them. They're free hit shift Deviser,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: the drop down click tutorials. You can see it all works.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: There's some crazy features, especially for NFL if you just
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: want really competitive lineups, there's a presets button for mainslate
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: that you can just turn on and make sure you're
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: naturally getting lineups that are competitive with team stacks of
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: game stacks. You can do naked quarterbacks, no runback, you
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: do all kinds of different stuff just within there and
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: get certain ownership stuff. But the funny thing about the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: MMA thing, Hoop, because now we're getting to the end
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: of the show before we get the fan duel. I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: saw someone say it's so funny, like, oh, Hoop crushes Mma.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: We need his core. It's on the site. It just
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: has titles name on it or Marley's name on it,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: and it's all their content. The best in the business
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: had doing it, and it doesn't cost you anything extra.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: It's just part of the all act.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: That's one thing that we're all about here. You know,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: other spots do it differently, Like I'm not going to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: pretend to be a a MMA expert, Like I've had
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: success playing, but I don't know, Like, especially on a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: card like Saturday, I don't know eighty percent of the fighters, Like,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: how am I going to go and give a core.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: I'm going to trust our team at ship in Nation
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: to provide me with the information in order to make
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: competitive teams. Like that's what I lean on, Like, I'm
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: not an expert at MMA, yes, like NFL, I know, PGA,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: I know, But I like other spots I've been at before,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: they pretend to be experts in every area this you know,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: college foot he's a college football guy all of a sudden,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: like what college basketball? No, stay in our lane, focus
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: on you know what we're good at. Title and Marley
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: have crushed the content on the MMA side, and I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: trust them. It's literally the only spot I look and
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: I've been very successful. You don't want my core. I
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: don't even know these I can't even pronounce that freaking
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: names as Title. I'll talk to him about the MMA
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: slaying I'll have to give the price tags. I was like,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: the seventy eight hundred dollars guy, what do you think
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: about him? And title rattles off his name and like
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: yeah that dude.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, go ahead.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: The thing about core is like we have it because
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: if you need a five minutes to build to slate,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: you want to see on sure, but there's a lot
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: more that goes into everything than a core, Like your
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: lineup needs to make sense.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Who plays more than one team minute? I just mm
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: at MMA.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: I think it's probably the hardest single untry sport really
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: out there. It's crazy, crazy, vary, and so a core
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: only goes so long. Just don't think who dreams the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: night before? He has the winner is my he knows
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: who like It's.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: Not like that.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: So you said it, well, that's what he's saying right now.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: It's not it's not a dream the night before. It's
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: a whole lot more, not just a core. You break
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: it down. Maybe let's go all right, let's get.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: To I will say for Saturday real quick, because we
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: talked a little bit and I know this is you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: we're far out from the car. I'm still shocked that
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: Olvera is that big of a favorite. I looked it
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 4: up again today. It's like a massive number, like massive number.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: It is a big white card.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: One can't wait and also just quick before he does FanDuel.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Those are probably worth a lot more in the box,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: but I did want them on my shelf, so then
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: my favorite pair. I love them. I was happy that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: we got the ship at Nation. You see the sign behind.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Even double down got the lights to match all the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: color schemes everything. So I had another pair that I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: bought that I wore out to some of the events
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: and stuff that are different. But yeah they're not. They're
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: not for sale here, but you can. You can definitely
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: buy them. They're waiting on the EP. They said, bars
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: listen to Tambo go off man. These guys know I'm
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: gonna put lines on everything, but hoop FanDuel FanDuel lineups.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about those, and it's just another annoying I mean,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford twelve five to A twelve K. So the
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks are free over there where quarterbacks already have an advantage.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: Big pricing discrepancy between Kyon Williams in a chain Karen
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: Williams fifteen to five h Chan eleven K, Cooper Cup
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: fifteen thousand, Pooka thirteen to five, Tyreek fourteen, your boy
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Jalen model under ten k ninety five hundred thinks solid
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: play moster it looks overpriced there at ten k kickers,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 4: defenses all in the same range, and then Johnny Smith eightk,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: DeMarcus Robinson EIGHTK, Parkinson seventy five, Odell Beckham seventy five.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: The one thing that definitely stands out though, is the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: pricing difference in the running backs and the quarterbacks are
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: just way, way, way too cheap.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see that. Also a Chan over there. You know,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: we got on the stone obviously, but both running backs
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: is going to be extremely high on because the pricing's bad.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: But the Chan number you talked about the discrepancy is
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: what forty five hundred less than Williams. Like, it's a
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: you know, a pretty close spread game, big boy totals
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: on both sides. I think people are just gonna be
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: happy with that. I will say the running joke for
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: those that haven't heard it is FanDuel sucks, but who
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: crushes over there? But I will say I've seen now
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: that the new bonuses came out in Showdown more wide
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: receivers up top, and you know what never gets played,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: and that's when there's good, when the chops aren't bad.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: So like I've been leaning into this more lately is
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: that you know tonight Tyreek could be ten percent in
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: the captain over there, that or MVP, I should say,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: still plenty of different ways to build it. And you
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: know Wattle might be two percent. Going back to my
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: same dude, but put that on anybody cup Nikua. They're
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: all around ten percent or less. And they they don't
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: get the extra half point. It's it's half point not
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: full point PPR. But they can still hit the bonuses,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: they can still score the touchdowns, all these factors. I
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: just thought that was an interesting thing that I've seen
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: this season where you can still fit quite a bit
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: but be able to get different up top. So any
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: anything on that hoop you play quite a bit more
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: than title.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: And I say that's a very good point. I mean,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: people are sticking to like the high volume running backs
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: and the quarterbacks because again they do have a little
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: bit of an advantage scoring wise, and the pass catchers
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: always coming low, even the high end ones like you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: talked about, like coming much lower than they should, So
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 4: I like that call over there.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Wattle is priaced like a kicker today. This is just
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: gonna get me in.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: I'm coming around. I do like that.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: I do like the call.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, think about he hasn't had. I mean, how
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: many games is you played with? Two? Three? Right?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: And he's super cheap. I mean yeah, I've come around
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: on the Wattle uh play for sure. And I don't
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 4: believe that ownership either, Like, I think it's probably comes
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: in even lower than maybe we're showing yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: And metro boom. I think this is the key, right,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: We all like that. It's just so does everybody else.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: It's like we're let we all feel that way. We're
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: just trying to sell ourselves on other things. And when
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: you get a little back and forth here, like it is,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: especially assuming we've been this whole show going a little
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: long and it's fine, but assuming that Tyreek's in, which
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: is what we're all assuming everybody, well that just means
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: everybody's healthy on both sides. Right, you got everybody rolling
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: full speed. That can lead to a lot of different
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: things here. So it could be a fun game back
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: and forth and Nick called it my new passion project.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: If you saw the logo. Yeah, it's headphones, it's a brain,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: it's puzzles, it's actually DFS raps. I'm coming out with it,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: so please support. The new album is coming out soon.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Check it out go to Tambos tidbits dot com. But
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: any final thoughts from you title before we get out
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: of here.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: I like what you said about fan duel, Like if
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: you're like, don't play hiring a Chain or the two
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks you play Tyree Cooper, Cup Pooka might even be
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: and ten percent, like why can't they get there? And
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: the bonus addition on Fandel's huge for them. That three
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: points goes a long long way for sure. So if
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: you're playing FanDuel, that's how I'd love to get difference. Otherwise, No,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, man, I did not really think I'd be
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: coming on and saying alec Ingold and Davis Allen were
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: solid plays.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: But I think this is a slave where two or
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: three could be enough.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: I think it's a lot different than a lot of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: the slaves we've had throughout the year because value looks real,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: real different, even obj this Witnington two to all those
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: guys like they can easily all go for zero for
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: three K, two k more than those four hundred dollars
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: somewhat viable guys we have, So no.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: It should be it should be a fun one. Tyreek.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: If he's out, all of their concept will be updated
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: behind the paywall like always.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that was a good point you
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: brought up too, Like it's crazy over on FanDuel. If
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: you just want to risk it, like I will, for sure,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: it's you could literally get ten percent. You could get
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: double the field on five people that you five players
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: that you pick and just leave the quarterbacks and run backs.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: You know that risk that you run. But it's not
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: like you're leaving out everybody. That means you're going to have.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have Tyreek, Waddle Cup Nikua, and then maybe
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: you do get like ten of each of the running backs.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Just have an underweight stance as part of your portfolio.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but go ahead. Who brought this up? No?
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: Just I like the first names, you know, not the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 4: not Hoop Tambeau title, Mike Tyler and Zach like that.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Where's our guy neighbors at the Neighbor's been here the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: whole time? He originally coined that memory title. They the
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: boys on the show together.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: This is the crew.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: We love that stuff. These guys. That's a good one.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: Uh you know.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: Government name season over here, We're gonna roll over. Yeah.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: We love doing these shows, guys. It's a lot of fun.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: I know it's hard on you today about the like button,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: but we do appreciate all the support. Happy Veterans Day
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: out there to everybody who has served his serving supporting
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: somebody had someone who served, all of that. We appreciate that.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: From Canada, Happy remembrance. Dat could be Travis and others
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: in the chat hoop. Final thoughts before we get out
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: of here.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: It's been a solid week ten so far. It's finish
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: strong tonight and get those shiping Nation luggers is the top.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Let's do it. I'm excited man, it's week ten. Round
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: it out, gotta have a good one. I told this
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: joke earlier too, But eleven eleven, make a wish. It's
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: November eleventh and the queue to get to Nashville tonight.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: What you guys know I'm chasing is number one twenty
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: eight and my birthday is January twenty eighth. So on
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: eleven eleven, with the one twenty eight call, my shot.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Hopefully we can clip something like this instead of another
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: hoop getting dunked on for MBS. But if you want
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: to check that out, I did pin it in the discords.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: You guys can go see it very easily. I might
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: watch it again. That's gonna do it for this one guys,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: for Whop, for title, and for myself. TOTEG and tambo
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Let ship it.