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On The Porch · Making The Merge - Survivor Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Okay, here we going.
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  Speaker 2: Listening to me.
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  Speaker 3: And we.
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  Speaker 4: And we welcome everybody to this sanctuary, the first ever
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  Speaker 4: live from Patreon sanctuary that we did on a whim.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we were we were in here working on a
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  Speaker 5: different project that we're very excited about, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then Peter said, let's just do it live. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: know why we're here at all doing the Sanctuary because
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  Speaker 1: you saw something? No, because of Janet, Oh, because of Janet.
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  Speaker 4: Because I saw something because of Janet, but mostly because
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  Speaker 4: of Janet. Yeah, Janet was disappointed in us not having
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  Speaker 4: the sanctuary, So we were bringing it back for the
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  Speaker 4: last week of the season, and you know, there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot we could talk about. There's a really big episode
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  Speaker 4: coming up. Oh yeah, and so there's there's so much
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  Speaker 4: to discuss there with season fifty and everything. But I thought,
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  Speaker 4: what if instead we check in with our good friend
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  Speaker 4: Big Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 4: So a couple of days ago, I got on YouTube
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  Speaker 4: and there was this random news report that wherever Tom lives,
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  Speaker 4: the local news station. They're like, hey, you know Survivor,
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  Speaker 4: it's wrapping up season fifty.
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  Speaker 1: Tom's in our town.
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  Speaker 4: What if we just talked to Tom and they did
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  Speaker 4: about four minutes and we're going to listen to.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing.
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  Speaker 6: The hit CBS show Survivor is celebrating its fiftieth season.
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  Speaker 6: Casey caught up with one of the early stars of
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  Speaker 6: the show, Southwest Virginia native Big Tom Buchanan.
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  Speaker 3: Casey Sarah first Top. Big Tom still has that same
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  Speaker 3: big personality even twenty years after his time.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, before we get into the rest of it, I
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  Speaker 4: just want to say, the juxtaposition between this guy speaking
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  Speaker 4: the way that he does in the news reporter voice
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  Speaker 4: and then him talking to Big Tom, it gets It's
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  Speaker 4: very different.
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  Speaker 1: It's very funny time on Survivor.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about the imports of his farm and hometown
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  Speaker 3: and family and some of the best memories he has
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  Speaker 3: from his time on Survivor and the superstardom that came
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  Speaker 3: with it. From a front porch rocking chair at a
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  Speaker 3: home he grew up in Rich Valley, Virginia, Tom Buchanan,
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  Speaker 3: or Big Tom, as he has known to millions, recalls
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  Speaker 3: his early days.
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  Speaker 2: This porch goes around and uh, when we were small, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: we played on this porch. You know, we'd be raining
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  Speaker 2: out that right stopped us. We was on this porch.
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  Speaker 3: In two thousand and one, his wife and childhood sweetheart, Sandy,
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  Speaker 3: made it.
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  Speaker 4: What's a good pool quote we could get from his childhood.
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  Speaker 4: We were playing on the porch, were playing on. It
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  Speaker 4: was raining, but we were playing on the porch.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good porch.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, made it decision that would change Big Tom forever.
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  Speaker 2: My wife was a big fan of Survivor. She she's
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  Speaker 2: got to see it, and she said, you know you
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  Speaker 2: you do good on the I said, by hell, yes
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  Speaker 2: I would that. Ain't that ain't no problem. I said,
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  Speaker 2: all you gotta do is camp out and this and
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  Speaker 2: that and so anyway, she said, I won't. I won't
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  Speaker 2: put your application in.
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  Speaker 3: Big Tom's a big personality and simple.
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  Speaker 4: So far you can you can make out everything. He says, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: coming up. You're gonna have no idea what.
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  Speaker 5: He is in the In the Patreon chat, Will said
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  Speaker 5: that we need to put the porch quote in the
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  Speaker 5: intro for next season.
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  Speaker 1: Big mistake. That's a good porch. That would be pretty funny.
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  Speaker 1: It was raining, but we were playing on, playing on
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  Speaker 1: that porch.
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  Speaker 3: Simple Southwest Virginia ways made him an instant star.
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  Speaker 2: We was just doing a regular thing, of course me.
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  Speaker 2: I never seen one. I was going he get me.
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  Speaker 1: I want to say in ruge faut.
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  Speaker 2: Because I ain't gonna believe it.
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  Speaker 1: And so I they.
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  Speaker 2: Say, big Time, just you just do your things. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna do our thing.
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  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what Big Tom bu can and did.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't acknowledge basically anything he said. It's just Big
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  Speaker 4: Tom was like, I'm gonna do my thing, and I
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  Speaker 4: just said do my thing. Yes, After basically everything he
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  Speaker 4: said was unintelligible. He's like, and I'm gonna do my thing.
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  Speaker 4: And then the news report of guys like and he did, and.
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  Speaker 3: Then moving on to the next thing, Vanceual Loan, Survivor,
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  Speaker 3: Ethan jesse Lex and the whole crew.
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  Speaker 1: Is that gonna get that picture of men?
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  Speaker 2: Jesse Mancho and them girls own I, Lord Mercy, they
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  Speaker 2: twenty four hours. I can't phone and I was in
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  Speaker 2: that women.
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  Speaker 3: After Survivor, Big Tom became a world wide star.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't go no for her. I was Elvia Freshls.
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  Speaker 2: He ain't got nothing, no way here. I just can't sing.
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  Speaker 1: I ain't got a picture.
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  Speaker 3: The pictures on the wall of his current home are
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  Speaker 3: a shrine to those glory days.
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  Speaker 4: It was tough back and I.
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  Speaker 2: Watch it now the Fadom French Fries.
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  Speaker 3: He was also a Survivor All Star. Commercials for the
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  Speaker 3: show earned him a cabin, which sits high on the
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  Speaker 3: hill of his one thousand acre cattle ranch. But for
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  Speaker 3: Big Tom, it's always been family first.
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  Speaker 1: Oh get that, try put it in the cab.
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  Speaker 3: She said, here's to the spotlight has faded, the friendships
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  Speaker 3: have not.
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  Speaker 2: They'll still call me. He said, Hey, have some cows doing.
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  Speaker 2: I said good. He says, you sold any I tell him,
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  Speaker 2: you know, but h and Lex coves up. He comes up.
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  Speaker 2: He wants to work and do things, and he's getting more.
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  Speaker 2: He's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: A big personality and survivor. At season three, Superstardom took
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  Speaker 3: Big Tom across the globe, but he always came back
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  Speaker 3: to Rich Valley, Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: I've been to Africa. I've been to just everywhere. But
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  Speaker 2: all the time.
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  Speaker 5: His season was Survivor Africa, and he goes, man, I've
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  Speaker 5: been I've been to Africa. I've been everywhere, just everywhere.
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  Speaker 5: He's been to Africa, but in his mind that's everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think he also went to New York or l
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  Speaker 4: A for the hour. So he's been to New York
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  Speaker 4: in Africa.
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  Speaker 1: Did they do the Life in Alle season three? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: They did, but I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Think Jeff was the host yet, or maybe he was
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  Speaker 5: the host for starting in. One of the smart people
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  Speaker 5: in the chat will let.
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  Speaker 3: Us know I'm finished fourth, he says he did much
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  Speaker 3: better than.
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  Speaker 1: That, doing everything I've got to do.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't say.
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  Speaker 3: In Rich Valley, Virginia, Casey Marler News Channel eleven, what
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  Speaker 3: a report.
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  Speaker 1: I love having that pop up in my algorithm. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was aware.
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  Speaker 4: So what does Big Tom think? Well, I listened to that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what Big Tom thinks.
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  Speaker 5: Big I don't think Big Tom knows what Big Tom thinks.
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  Speaker 1: No, he might not, But at least we know that
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  Speaker 1: Lex is starting to do pretty good. He's doing he's
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  Speaker 1: doing things, he's getting he's starting to get good at it.
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  Speaker 1: He's doing to getting good. I don't know what he
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  Speaker 1: was talking about with the women. Yeah, he's out that
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  Speaker 1: doing them women. So good to hear from Big Time. Yeah, man, which.
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  Speaker 5: Season three doesn't get talked about enough. No, or at
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  Speaker 5: least not in our circles. Fellas, by the time you're
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  Speaker 5: twenty six. You should be talking about Survivor Africa.
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  Speaker 4: You should be Let's talk about somebody who people don't
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  Speaker 4: want to hear from as much as they want to
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  Speaker 4: hear from Big Tom.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. We about to play another sound.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the cans are gonna have to come back
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  Speaker 4: on because we're going to be playing a clip. This
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  Speaker 4: is a clip that I grabbed from the secret scene
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  Speaker 4: that was deleted from It was the scene was just
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  Speaker 4: them reading tree mail and kind of just saying run
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  Speaker 4: of the mill stuff before they did the challenge running
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  Speaker 4: up that mill.
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  Speaker 1: The challenge is at this point is the only guarantee
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  Speaker 1: you have to get to the end.
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  Speaker 2: There's then theory there's three more challenges incoting today.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean think about it.
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  Speaker 2: If you went out, you got a.
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  Speaker 1: Set a final three.
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  Speaker 7: So if you're not thinking that's a big deal, you're mistaken.
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  Speaker 4: Why did this vital information get cut from the episode?
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  Speaker 5: So basically what Joe just said was, man, if you
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  Speaker 5: win all of the challenges, then.
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  Speaker 1: You don't go home. Mm hmm. Joe he's starting to
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  Speaker 1: figure out the game he is.
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  Speaker 4: And if you're sitting there thinking like, oh, that's so obvious,
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  Speaker 4: Like why would you even say that it's because you're
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  Speaker 4: not really thinking about it. If you were really thinking
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  Speaker 4: about it, about it, then you'd be saying, if you
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  Speaker 4: think about it, if you went out, you're safe until
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  Speaker 4: the end, you got.
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  Speaker 1: A spot in the final three. If you went out
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  Speaker 1: and you gotta really think about that, you got to
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  Speaker 1: think about it. You're thinking about it. I'm thinking about it.
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  Speaker 1: I thought there were them women, man, who were thinking
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  Speaker 1: about it out there with the women. And then my
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  Speaker 1: wife and you put in my obligations. She said you
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  Speaker 1: can do it, and I said I can do it. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can do it. All you got news camp out.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he went pretty far that season, if I remember correctly,
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  Speaker 5: he was well.
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  Speaker 4: Liked, and by the looks of it, he's slimmed down
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  Speaker 4: a bit. Yeah in that in that interview, and so
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  Speaker 4: what I'm thinking is should have cast him instead of Joe?
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  Speaker 1: Oh Man? How old is Big Tom? Now? Did they
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  Speaker 1: too old to be? I mean, you listen to that interview, right, Alex.
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  Speaker 5: Wants to know why we think Joe is blocking everyone
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  Speaker 5: on Instagram. Do you have a theory, because I have
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  Speaker 5: a theory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to talk about y'all. We need I
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  Speaker 1: think we need to talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: If this was a clickbait YouTube channel, we would have
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  Speaker 4: a video titled we need to talk about the Joe's situation.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, this Joe situation is insane.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's blocking everybody. I think what he's going through
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  Speaker 4: is pretty tough. Do you feel bad for Joe at all?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 4: Do you think you should be able to take all
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  Speaker 4: the criticism in stride and not have this kind of
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  Speaker 4: blocking people and making these kind of videos.
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  Speaker 5: The issue is he's blocking fellow castmates. My theory is
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  Speaker 5: that there is some drama going on behind the scenes
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  Speaker 5: with the cast mates, with the contestants in group chats.
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  Speaker 5: I think people are talking mad shit about Joe. Huh,
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  Speaker 5: Like I bet Tiff because Tiff got blocked. I would
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  Speaker 5: imagine maybe Tiff said something to SuRie in a group
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  Speaker 5: chat that also had Stephanie in it, and then so
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  Speaker 5: Stephanie ran and told Colby, and then Colby told Joe
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  Speaker 5: about how Tiff said that Joe was didn't deserve to
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  Speaker 5: make it.
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  Speaker 1: To the finals or whatever. You know, I just think
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  Speaker 1: it's contestant drama. Is this all speculation? Yeah? Speculation. I
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  Speaker 1: was about to say, do you have some info into
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  Speaker 1: group chat Gate, No something. Is there some smoke to this?
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  Speaker 1: I don't well. I've seen some.
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  Speaker 5: People talking online about how there's been some drama. Who
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  Speaker 5: was it someone's post interview with Mike Bloom They said
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  Speaker 5: that there's all The live reunion.
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  Speaker 1: Is going to be interesting because there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: drama behind the scenes that is interesting. I do.
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  Speaker 4: I hope we get some kind of blow up at
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  Speaker 4: the finale because that's what made those live finales so
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  Speaker 4: much fun in the past, is the animosity?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? And does anybody feel bad for Joe? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Let us know when the check Does anybody feel bad
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  Speaker 1: for Joe? I feel a little bad for him. What
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  Speaker 1: is there for him to eat? I don't understand why
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  Speaker 1: he's upset.
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  Speaker 5: Let's start there. Why do you feel bad for him?
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  Speaker 5: Why is he upset?
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  Speaker 4: I think I just I sympathize a little bit with
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  Speaker 4: the position that he's in. What is that position where
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  Speaker 4: you're on TV and everyone hates you?
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  Speaker 1: But does everyone hate him? You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: He's getting piled on on our show, on every show,
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  Speaker 4: in every comment section, every video.
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  Speaker 5: But what are we saying? What is everybody saying about him?
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  Speaker 5: That he's a bad place, that.
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  Speaker 4: He's a baby and he's boring and he sucks, Which
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  Speaker 4: is that's okay?
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  Speaker 5: He on TV where he is a character on this
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  Speaker 5: TV show. Yeah, he is being portrayed as a big baby.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.
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  Speaker 5: Does that mean that he is a big baby in
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  Speaker 5: real life? No, But it's just like you know, any
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  Speaker 5: other season.
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  Speaker 1: Someone gets made fun of.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, look at jan Dre Jandre's getting made fun of,
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  Speaker 5: like Joe. He's taking it in strife, He's not blocking
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  Speaker 5: people on Instagram.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's it's just a pretty intense situation for Joe,
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  Speaker 4: specifically because the last thing that everybody saw was Joe
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  Speaker 4: getting humiliated in the final Tribal, him getting deceived by
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  Speaker 4: Camilla and Kyle, and he's having to process this, and
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  Speaker 4: then as he's processing this, he you know, goes and
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  Speaker 4: plays Survivor again. And his response to I think what
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  Speaker 4: Camilla and Kyle did was to double down on the
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  Speaker 4: loyalty and honor and be better at sniffing out somebody
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  Speaker 4: who's going to betray him. And so he thinks he's,
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  Speaker 4: you know, doing the right thing, and then everybody on
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  Speaker 4: the internet is killing him for it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, But also as people are saying in our chat
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  Speaker 5: right now, there's a lot of the general audience, like
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  Speaker 5: people that are watched on face like that are post
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  Speaker 5: on Facebook about the show. They all love Joe, Like
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  Speaker 5: most people that watch the show like Joe because of
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  Speaker 5: the whole EVA thing last last time he played. It's
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  Speaker 5: just the diehard Survivor fans that are typically pretty toxic anyway,
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  Speaker 5: but this time it's just.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of like, hey, man, you're It's just like what.
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  Speaker 5: Seie told him, Why are you upset at Devn's we
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  Speaker 5: were going to vote him out? Why are you upset
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  Speaker 5: for him for fighting back? He looked like a brat. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you just have to own that up and be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I was being a bit of a brat.
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  Speaker 1: It could be an added element of Joe.
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  Speaker 5: Might be in the final three and he's blocking people
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  Speaker 5: because there's the added stress of him being like I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if I want or not, and he's watching
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  Speaker 5: the show and he's watching the edit and he's freaking out,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Like when blocking people think is weird? It is, especially
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  Speaker 1: when it's players, you played.
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  Speaker 4: With players and people doing commentary on Survivor who like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know, there's no way tag.
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  Speaker 1: With deserveth to be blocked.
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  Speaker 4: There's no way that she was doing like a super
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  Speaker 4: mean spirited video ripping it.
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  Speaker 1: That's just not.
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  Speaker 5: That's not she does no and she's a very positive
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  Speaker 5: Survivor fan. There's no way that she said anything that
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  Speaker 5: harsh that justifies Joe blocking her.
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  Speaker 4: I mean blocking Kelly Wentworth and Tiffany I get that,
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  Speaker 4: but tag with you can't block tag.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even understand blocking tiff. It's like, what is
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  Speaker 5: Tiff posting on Instagram that's upsetting you?
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  Speaker 4: She posts her art projects. Maybe she was Maybe Joe
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  Speaker 4: was triggered by the art.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think that he he, he does not
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  Speaker 5: understand what.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I reversed my stance. I don't feel that you've
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  Speaker 4: talked me out of feeling bad for Joe.
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel bad for Joe.
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  Speaker 4: He has a show with Tyler Perry, He's been on
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  Speaker 4: two seasons of Survivor.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I can't feel bad for Joe.
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  Speaker 5: And he was in the final three the last time
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  Speaker 5: he played, which means he got a nice check and
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  Speaker 5: he might be in the final he might win the
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  Speaker 5: goddamn game.
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  Speaker 1: PD. We don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that's where we should transition into next But no,
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  Speaker 4: we do know he's not winning the game, or I mean,
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  Speaker 4: we don't know, but we know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about it.
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  Speaker 5: Then we talked about it a lot in the main
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  Speaker 5: episode of Who we Think is Gonna Win?
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  Speaker 1: Well, first, are you excited for the episode? Extremely? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Of people after seeing the Final five and I'm not
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  Speaker 4: in this camp right, I'm really excited for the finale too,
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  Speaker 4: But I think a lot of people are like, Eh,
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  Speaker 4: that's not what I was expecting. That's not what I wanted.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like how the game's shaken out. You know, Well,
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  Speaker 4: so this season sucks now.
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  Speaker 1: Will said, The fan faves get final four a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, which is why they had to introduce fire Making,
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  Speaker 5: because they would make it to the Final four and
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  Speaker 5: then get sent home before the Final three because no.
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  Speaker 1: One wanted to go up against him.
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  Speaker 4: And if you people, I don't know who I'm saying
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  Speaker 4: when I say you, I guess who you are to
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  Speaker 4: all the Survivor fans. If you people voted to get
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  Speaker 4: rid of fire Making, you do not.
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  Speaker 1: Understand the game. The game. You don't understand the game.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: Everyone in the chat watching let us know what you
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: voted for fire making, And.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry if I just said that you don't understand
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: the game.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Well, Jacob C, one of our top patrons, told me
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: that he did not vote for firemaking.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I just I don't get it. There's a clear Oh god,
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth voted no fire. Oh by the way, Elizabeth in
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: the chat, what the hell is? What's from? I mean?
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Is it because a teenage Oh? Everyone everyone said no fire?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: What?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Wait? Okay, what's I don't know. I don't know. I
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: agree with you, PD, I agree with you.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I'm baffled by by everyone not wanting fire because you
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: you're basically if y'all all voted this way and it
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: ends up being like that and Aubrey goes out at four, Okay.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: We're getting to be pissed.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Oh oh, well, so this is what they're all saying.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: They're saying negotiating it for is more impressed of it's
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: a social game. We want to see them negotiate.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: But there's no negotiating when you're the clear and obvious
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: best player. The other three people have to take you
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: out exactly.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And I guess that's a part of the game. But
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: I agree with Jeff that that could be fixed.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and fire making is not a perfect system because
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: the elements can completely screw you.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: Elizabeth in the chat said that Teeney got fucked because
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: of the wind.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: That's just the way the wind blows. That's the way
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: the wind brows, the way the wind blows, that's how
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: it blew that day. And because of that, Sam made
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: it to the final And yeah, Teeny got screwed over.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: But Teeny also didn't do anything that whole game.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Everyone's saying, suck it PD. Elizabeth said, suck it PT. Hey,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: you suck at Elizabeth.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Hey, that's my wy.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: Back to what we were saying though, what led into
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: the fire making conversation.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: We were talking Joe.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Do you think how does how does the final three
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: have to end for Joe to win the season?
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: I've thought about all the scenarios. Yes, and in all
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: of them, Joe makes the final three. Get me too,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I agree, because he can't get a vote if.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: Aubrey makes it to the final three. In any scenario,
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: I think Aubrey wins. I agree with that. Let's map
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: it out from like step.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: By Should I get the whiteboard out? Should we sure?
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Actually we have? Yeah, it would be a very visual bit. Yeah,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: that's true audio media when this is going on. Okay, so.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: They're saying in the chat that if Joe is the
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: only one not metavact, he can win.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if the other four.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: If Bonu prays really hard and gets everybody's if everyone
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: smote from Banu's.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Prayers, is it smoke or smited. I'm gonna go with smoke.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I like smoke. So let's talk about the beginning of
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the episode. Final five immunity. Who wins? Okay, Final five immunity.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Who do we have in play? Aubrey, Tiff, Joe, Rizzo, Jonathan.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: What do we think the challenges? It's probably gonna be
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: an obstacle course, Yeah, I think that goes to one
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: of the more physical players, like Tiff or Jonathan.
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: I think Tiff. I think the setup to this is
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: gonna be like in a puzzle.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Tiff. Maybe. I think Tiff is the final
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: five elimination.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: I agree, unless she wins the immunity and then it's.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Then could be Aubrey. Yeah.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: I think the beginning of the episode, it'll be setting
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: up like if Tiff doesn't win, then she's gotta go,
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: But then somebody else might be looking at Aubrey. Rizzo
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: never wins challenges. Rizzo shocks the world. He wins the challenge.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Tiffany goes home that night, okay, and then we go
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: into the final four Immunity. Jan dre wins. Okay, some emotion,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: so I said. Rizzo wins the final five to one. Okay, Yeah,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Rizzo plays the idol and then the next challenge you
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: know what I'm gonna say, John Dre wins, He wins
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: themotion Okay. He decides to put the two biggest threats
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: in the game and Fire, which is Rizzo and Aubrey.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: History repeats itself for Rizzio ghost home at Fire again.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Aubrey wins fire Making, so.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: Then that would make the final three Joe Jonathan Aubrey.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: The title of the episode, I believe is the curse
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: is lifted. Aubrey won fire Making and then lost in
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: Final Tribal. I think this time she wins fire Making
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: and then wins Final Tribal.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Curse is lifted?
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Or is the curse lifted because Rizzo lost fire Making
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: last time wins it this time?
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Because here's the thing.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: If Aubrey gets voted out instead of tiff what's that
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: Final three look like, does Tiff even make it the
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: final three? Or is it Rizzo Joe Jonathan final three?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: This is it's.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: Gonna be a People are saying that it's kind of
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: a lame Final five.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because anything could happen.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Yet to me, it's not and anything can happen situation.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Reading the edit like, I feel ninety I want to
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: say ninety five percent positive that I mostly like I
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: maybe I don't know how it all gets to the
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: point that it gets to, but I feel like reading
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: the edit, Jandre's second place, Aubrey Aubrey, Aubrey's first, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Joe's a zero vote finalist again.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the edits saying that same thing, and
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: I think everyone agrees with you online. Aubrey is the
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: clear winners edit.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: However, you don't think that exists, right, well.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, I think it's Jeff always talks about how
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: it doesn't exist. Yeah, so I'm always open to the
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: idea of Jeff messing with the edit to make the
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: fans shocked.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: I think there's the winners edit is a thing and
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: you see it most times, but then occasionally there will
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: be a season where the winner comes out of nowhere.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, I think that the edit is very clearly Aubrey wins. However,
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: I do think that there is a conversation that you
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: can say that Jonathan has gotten winner's edit if he wins.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think the edits they are.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: It also showed him being played and like Serie saying
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: he's so easy to manipulate, right, and then you've got
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: stuff like him taking credit for a move, and then
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you like right after that, you get Aubrey into confessional.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Saying it's really her move.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: I agree on I think the big question is does
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Rizzo or Jan Dre sit in that final three with
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Joe and Aubrey? And it just depends on the immunity
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: challenge in Firemaker, it really does.
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's a world no one is saying this,
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: but there is a possibility that the final three is Rizzo, Tiff, Aubrey. Yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, no one thinks that's gonna happen, but there
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: is a possibility.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I've been pretty dead set on Tiff, you know, getting
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: eliminated next just because of the lack of editing for her.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but then she's won more challenges than anyone this season.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: We know Rizzo's making to at least Final four because
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: he's got the idol. Yeah, so I think Rizzo's kind
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: of in everybody's Final three. Tiffany could win out the challenges,
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: like Joe said.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: And Tiffany has a win that they're not even counting
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: as a didn't she team up with Joe in.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: The in the double challenge? Yeah?
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: You know they're not counting that, right, No, they're not.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: They're counting only individual immunities.
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: But then I feel like that should count to I agree, immunities.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: We had a few questions or statements.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: Aubrey is gonna claim all of Jandre's move which I
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: think would cut the legs out from under my final tried.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: They did that in the edit.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: Exactly do you think that they will choose Rizzo to
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: be chosen to be Final three because he was just
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: in forty nine?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: If I was Aubrey, I'd be trying to get Rizzo
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: out of there, or if I'm Jan Dre or what
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: if Rizzo wins some motion, which is possible.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: That's not a physical challenge, that's a very mental and
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: endurance based challenge.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: So I think Joe's not making fire.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: We have We're gonna have Rizzojandre Aubrey, some combination of
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: those making fire.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other thing.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Tiff is the wild card because you don't think Tiff
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: makes it because she was not in the show for
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: the first three weeks.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, I think it's gonna be a pretty quick like
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: we have a little like the camp life kind of
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Tiff has to go through the challenge, Tiff doesn't win,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: and the Tiff goes.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Because she's made herself a physical threat in these challenges,
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: so I can see why they would want her to
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: be the next to go. My argument against you what
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: you're saying, which I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: just saying Devil's advocate, which is what I call Jeff
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Devin's advocate, Devin's advocate is because this is season fifty
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: and there were so many legends early on in the season,
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: I think that maybe we didn't see much of Tiffany
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: because we were seeing players that weren't gonna make it
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: very far, like Mike White. We were seeing a lot
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: of Mike White, a lot of Christian Ubicki, a lot.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Of Azsy, a lot of Coach, a lot and coach.
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think maybe because Jeff is always preaching
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: about how there's no such thing as a winner's edit,
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: that maybe he's not worried about Tiff getting at least
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: one confessional, because I mean, say Aubrey wins. She barely
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: got any confessionals in those first few episodes.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: But Aubrey's edit, I remember, you thought it was really bad,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Like you thought Aubrey was in a bad situation.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But that now tells her a better story.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she was at the BOT back then, I was like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: she's in a negative situation. But I think it's a
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: positive ultimately on the edit side, because all of her
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: confessionals were stuff like, yeah, it is a struggle, like
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I am in a bad spot, but I'm going to persevere, yes,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: like I'm going to learn from like the games I
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: played in the past, and I'm gonna get through this.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: And she won me over. I didn't like her at first.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: Well I've seen her former seasons.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: But I didn't like her at first this season.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: I felt like she didn't want to be there and
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: she might have just taken a spot from someone who
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: really wanted to be there. But she won me over
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: halfway through the season and now I'm really rooting for her.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: Hard for Aubrey, hashtag hard for Aubrey.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I'm rooting hard for Aubrey.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: I shutake bricks for Bronco, brick for Broco. Yeah, dude,
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a fascinating final tribal.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, nightmare, nightmare ending Joe, Jonathan Tiff. Maybe Joe
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: wins out of that three. I don't know what and
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: what combination do you think Joe can win.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say the same thing, which is there isn't one, okay.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Because I can see a world where the jury, which
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: is mostly old school players, don't want to give it
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: to Rizzo.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: But I think that is what's going to happen.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: And I disagreed or I disagree with the sentiment that
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: the players have towards if that's the case, Like, I
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: don't think that's fair.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: But what if it's Rizzo, Joe Tiff? Do they give
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: it to Rizzo?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I think they would give it to Tiff for winning.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: The challenges, for winning the challenges and overall being a
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: likable person.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Rizzo he poisoned the ponderosa well with Ozzy. You know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: Ozzy's going to be campaigning hard against Rizzo.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: That's true, and he cost coach a season doing that. Yeah,
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: but you have Siri rooting hard.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: But is she still I mean she as. I think
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: she respects Rizzo's play against her.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: And if anything, I bet she could convince Ozzy to
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: respect Rizzo's play against him.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: So you think that that Siri could take Ozzie away
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: from his Mopi Dingus ways, Yes, okay, I do.
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: I think Siria is going to be pushing hard for
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: Rizzo to win if Rizzo's in the final three.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: And by saying that that you think he could that
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Surien could move him away from his Mopi Dingas. Ways,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: you are admitting that he is a Mopi Dingas.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Off the record, yeah, okay.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Do we have any random questions from Patreon? I'm going
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: to answer the question, is Big Tom.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: Is the season fifty one win winners party.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: In can kun Well, season fifty one winners party. I
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: was thinking it's just gonna be wherever Big Tom is at.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: So I'm gonna be out on the porch and I'm
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: gonna be dancing around and I'm gonna call down to
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: season fifty one wears party.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be out there with them women.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the media on the porch with the women, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be raining outside, but I'm gonna be on
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: that porch.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: We were wrapping this thing up. That's we'll just wrap
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it up, all right.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for jumping in on a random Sunday at
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: nine pm for this Live.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Is Jonathan Alive?
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: I actually tried facetiming him about an hour or so
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: ago and.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: He did not pick up. Let's give it another shot.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I call him. I'm just calling him real quick, call
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: him and him on that porch. What is he up?
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: That's Sunday.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Hey, Jonathan, you just missed the sanctuary.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: His voicemail makes him sound like I have a loser. Yeah,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I was like, you know, I'll be
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: sure to get back to you. All right, let's end this.
• 28:59
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• 29:05
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• 29:09
  Speaker 7: for listening or don't listen. It's really up to you
• 29:12
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• 29:15
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• 30:00
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