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United We Scan podcast. Welcome back, everybody.
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This is episode 67. Yep, it's another train wreck of
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wrecks. Oops, another train wrecks.
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Yeah, something like that. Anyways.
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And me, Bill and James this evening, you what people have,
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you know, it's Easter Sunday and we're here for those of us that
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had nothing else going on. How was your week, James?
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It was good working in the mail like usual package volumes, a
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little higher than my previous evaluation, you know, And of
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course still working my route the normal way.
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And then I get to Saturday and I message my supervisor and ask
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him how my route did and he told me it went down another hour.
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And this time, unlike the last mini mail survey, I didn't go
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down 15 minutes. I went down another 58 minutes
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on my evaluation and I haven't changed the way I do stuff.
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I haven't changed the way I do inputs or any of that stuff.
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But I believe that it it has a lot more to do with stuff that's
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going on with the mailings themselves and what we are and
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are not allowed to input anymore.
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So I'm going to have to go through with a fine tooth comb,
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which I'm sure everybody else is going to do.
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At the same time, I'm going to remind everybody that we do have
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a previous episodes on the activity scans, although some of
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them are a little bit different with the updates that our union
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leaders have so nicely changed for us without telling us or
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showing us what they were changed for.
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And there's also our episode breaking down the 4241 A that
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has changed slightly as well. But there are updates on the
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union website as well as rural info.
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They have pulled that stuff and put it on there as well.
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Those are my 2 Shameless plugs for episodes that we have on the
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podcast concerning Rex and the Mint, the 4240 ones that we just
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received and how maybe you can help your route.
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But we'll get more into that through this episode too, right?
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How about you, Bill? How was your week?
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Well, let's see. Monday was typical, very heavy
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Tuesday. We we were braced with the
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postmaster and our supervisor giving us a service talk about
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safety, about not starting before 8:30 because we have an
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830 start time. You're not allowed to work off
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the clock and you're not allowed to be more than 5 minutes late
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to work and with the standard threats of you know, discipline.
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So Thursday morning, I I had Thursday off but one of the PTFS
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came in a little early. A regular came in behind him and
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said to the supervisor what is this individual doing on the
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floor And the supervisor had to yell at the at the PTF.
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Friday was a decent day. You know, again, you know, my
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parcels have, you know stayed in the 150 to 170 range course of
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the many mail surveys, nobody asked me to work Saturday.
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So you know, I I planned accordingly.
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Saturday morning I went into the office to get my 4241A or yeah
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a. And supervisor said what are you
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doing? I said I'm here to get my 4241,
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what do you think? In the meantime, I handed the
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Stewart election form to a carrier who posted that?
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And she will put it up and get elected in timely fashion and
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trained one week after the election if everything times
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out. Correct.
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So I got I, I one of my supervisors said, what am I
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doing? I said, well, yeah, I heard
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somebody called out and I I thought I'd stop by.
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She goes, oh, it's just one. I said, OK, so I collected
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MY4241A and left. I'm 10 minutes down the road and
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the supervisor's gone. Another carrier called out.
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You want to come back to work? I said, I'm sorry, you've
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reached a recording, Please leave a message.
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And then I hung up on her. Of course I enjoyed that day
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immensely because I I'm seeing where these people are losing
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time on their routes and they don't have Subs and they're
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splitting routes. And do you really think
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regulars, let alone the the Subs, are doing it correctly and
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switching you over to routes so that your route gets proper
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credit? I don't think so But that that's
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just my opinion and you know some people are are
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knowledgeable enough to do it and and you know they they're
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trustworthy to give credit to the route but most of them don't
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they they're just looking to get the the hours done and and out
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of the office. So anyway that that was just
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just a good good feeling to sit there and say no I was just
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there offered my services inadvertently and luckily got
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out of there before they found out they had a second call out
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and then today was Easter Sunday.
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Easter Sunday is the day that our Subs were going to a 10 AM
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start time, which we'll get into for delivering Amazon Sunday.
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And what a fiasco that was. Other than that, you know, spent
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the spent the day with the family, good times, lots of good
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food and desserts, a little Easter egg hunt for the kids and
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all that. So it was very enjoyable and you
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know, All in all for me, I thought it was a wonderful week.
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Kristen, how was your week? Oh, Monday was a shit show.
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It was heavy. Monday we had my RCA got thrown
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onto our POV route blind on a Monday.
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They did actually have an extra LLV brought up for him to use.
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And yeah, and then the other RCA that was working was on R4 and
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again super heavy. So I had already said hey, I'll
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check on him when I get back. And so let me say when I got
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back at 5:30, I then went out to Route 4 and I took a took a
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little bit off of him to help get him back.
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Got back to the office at 7:00, then immediately turned around
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and drove out to help my sub, which was probably about 25
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miles out on the POV route. And at that point, she had
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already told him to stop delivering the mail and just get
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the parcels. He had missed some parcels.
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So I took the ones that he had missed because they were
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literally from one end of the route to the other and back down
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again. So I said just give me the ones
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that you missed. Continue on your way down for
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these last ones. I got back to the office at 8:20
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on Monday. Oh, Yep.
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I work just shy of 13 hours Monday.
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We're about to just over 12 1/2 hours Monday.
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So yeah, Tuesday and Wednesday they trained my sub on R4.
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He was supposed to do it all completely on his own.
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Thursday they had the ox route carrier assist him I should say.
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And then of course, me being the low man on the fuck me pole.
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Excuse me totem pole. I was forced in on my K day
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yesterday so they could use my sub on route 4 again.
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That carrier's been on vacation all week.
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Yeah, yeah, that's my week in a handbasket.
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I did get my 4241 A yesterday. I'm going to ask for my M when I
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get back tomorrow and supervisor's end 2O4B was nice
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enough to print it off for me and I did go up an hour, so my
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route will is now going to be a 46K starting next Saturday, so
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I'm not going to complain about that.
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I was just glad it didn't go down.
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I was hope it stay the same or at least let's not go down.
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So I'll take the hour increase. Yeah, yeah, rub it in, miss.
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I get off the route really early every day.
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You know, Phil and I over here working hard and you're sitting
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there going, I'm getting off at noon, 1231, o'clock.
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I have never gotten done at 121230 on that route.
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The earliest I've ever gotten done is 1.
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Normally early for me is 2/2/30, sometimes 3.
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Yeah, rub it in, rub it in, rub it in.
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So do you want to give a few updates on things right now that
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people need to be focused on? I'm hearing that some states are
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sending out delegate ballots soon.
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If you're having your county meetings are coming up as well,
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or your local meetings, your annual local meetings in some
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areas are happening soon. So make sure you get involved in
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those. Make sure you check your ballot,
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your delegate ballots. Research the people that are on
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it. Pick the ones you think will
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actually vote in support of the craft and go.
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Make sure you mail them in. Because last year, on average
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across the country, 10% of people returned their ballots.
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Only 10% of voting membership return their ballots.
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Those are rookie numbers. We need to move them up.
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Shameless play. Definitely need.
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My, my. If you are in my local county
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unit, Northeastern in Michigan, our annual meeting is April
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17th. That's all I'm going to say.
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OK, should I got your postcard in the mail last week.
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So April 17th on your calendar is our local annual meeting.
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Oakland County, Michigan is April 10th.
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So shameless plug there. And then after that your your
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delegate ballots for National Convention are coming out and
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when you after you send those in, those delegate ballots get
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counted just before your state convention and then the delegate
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list comes out at state convention.
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You have to make sure that you're taking care of this in a
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timely fashion. Those are the big things that
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we're focusing on, especially this year, if you guys want to
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make a change in the union, if you want to make a difference in
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this union, you have to exercise every right you are afforded in
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this union otherwise. But let me put that in
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perspective. 10% of the eligible people send their ballots in.
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Out of 130,000 carriers, only 10% send it in.
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Not all the 130 are eligible, but 10% of the eligible send it
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in. Who then elect?
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1% of the people who go to the National Convention as delegates
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and vote for you. 1% of the people you vote for go to the
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National Convention and control the destiny of this craft.
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Let's get those numbers up, folks.
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Absolutely. Can you imagine the difference
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it would make if 203040 even 50% of of the dues paying members
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actually voted for the delegates that they would like to see
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there? Could you imagine, when it comes
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to contract ratifications, if instead of the 20% of the craft
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that votes for contract ratification, could you imagine
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the difference it may make if thirty 4050% voted?
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Yeah. 100% voted. Imagine if 100% voted.
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Imagine if every voting member of this craft gave their opinion
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on a vote. If everybody who is a deuce
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paying member eligible to vote turned around and voted on this.
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You can. You can be on Facebook and you
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could complain. You can argue, you can make, you
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can make statements about this craft on Facebook.
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But putting your vote on a piece of paper and sending it in to
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make a difference for this craft is the ultimate thing you can do
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for this craft. It's the ultimate statement as a
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craft number. And and I always advocate for
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people to get involved at the local level, in their own office
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and everything. Why in the world wouldn't you
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take several minutes to send in your vote that affects your
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paycheck? I don't want to say you're
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asinine, and I don't want to say you're stupid, but you're stupid
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and asinine if you don't try to control your own desk.
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And that's the power. That's the power of the ballot.
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And this right here says it all in the listener chat.
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Stand up at National and say that shit you say on Facebook in
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front of 1200 people? Absolutely.
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We do. We do what what?
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When I'm a delegate and I can get up there and talk.
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Yes, I do. Or I have somebody say it for
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me, James. I've done that for you.
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A couple. Times.
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There's a reason why, as a non delegate, I sat next to you and
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you were sitting next to the microphone, yes.
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I I ain't afraid to stand up there and say say my piece or
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say somebody else's piece that isn't a delegate, because that's
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that's my duty as as a member of this craft is not only to speak
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for myself, but to speak for those who are unable to speak.
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Your duty and your right, Yes. Now that we have our 4241
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AS&M's, everybody's going to take the next week to figure out
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what happened to the routes. And even if you went up, even if
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you're back to where you were before, still go through it with
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a fine tooth comb because you could find more minutes that
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they missed. You can find more time that they
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missed. You could raise your route even
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higher, get more, pay all. Right.
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And then with that being said, I'm going to read the Memorandum
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of Understanding. It has to do with the rural
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route evaluation process. This is the most recent one that
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was dated 327 of 2024. The US Postal Service in the
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National Rural Letter Carriers Association have agreed to an
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alternate dispute resolution process in an effort to resolve
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disputes outside the formal grievance procedure following
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the implementation of the rural route evaluations effective
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April 6th, 2024, the rural route Evaluation dispute process will
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be used to address disputes where the assigned rural carrier
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has identified potential errors in the time credits provided on
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the PS Form 4241 A. This process will be used to
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resolve disputes related to the subjects below without the
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filing of grievances. The parties agree that carriers
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may dispute the following an entry of 0 or a questionable
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number in any data field on the PS Form 4241 A that would
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otherwise expect to have a time credit.
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An obvious error in any of the following data fields on the PS
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Form 4241. A Route length Regular
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Centralized or total Boxes, Daily Dismounts, Daily dismount,
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distance Collection Compartments, TCP Daily
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Activities, Miscellaneous Excuse me, Miscellaneous Time and
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Office. Walk distance.
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What was it had to do that, didn't you?
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Yes, you had to do that, didn't. Absolutely miscellaneous time an
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office walk distance. The Postal Service in the NRLCA
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will designate representatives at the district and area levels
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to review and adjudicate the disputes filed using this
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procedure. These representatives will work
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in teams of two and will consult with local operations personnel
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to include the District Delivery Support Specialist as necessary
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to review and discuss the dispute and further develop the
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supporting documentation to initiate a dispute, the assigned
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Carrier and local Management Representative representative
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will complete evaluation Dispute form one.
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While completing the form, the parties at the local level shall
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discuss the data fields in dispute and should they agree
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that an appropriate credit has not been provided, they will
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annotate the form accordingly. Upon completion, the form with
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all relevant documents will be forwarded to the Manager Labor
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Relations at the District and the NRLCA District
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representatives. This form must be submitted no
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later than April 19th, 2024. The designated representative at
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the district level will annotate the dispute on the World Route
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Evaluation Dispute Log and assign a district control number
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before meeting with the NRLCA District representative.
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District teams will thoroughly review all relevant factors that
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affect the credit provided in the PS Form 4241, a data field
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in dispute, including any notations of agreements made by
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the local parties. The team will either agree to a
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resolution, agree no action will be taken, or will impasse to the
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dispute and complete the top portion of the evaluation
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dispute form 2, providing an explanation for the final
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decision within 30 days of receipt at the district level If
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the parties are not able to reach an agreement at the
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district level. Evaluation Dispute Form 1
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Evaluation Dispute Form 2 and all supporting documentation
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will be forwarded to the Area Director, Labor Relations or
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their designee and the NRLCA designated representative.
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The Area team will jointly complete a review of the file.
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The Area team will either agree to a resolution, agree no action
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will be taken over in Pass the Dispute and complete the bottom
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portion of the Evaluation Dispute Form 2.
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If the dispute remains unresolved after the area
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review, each team member will provide a written recommendation
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for resolution to accompany the file.
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A copy of the file will be forwarded to the Director
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Contract Administration, NRLCA and the NRLCA Director of Labor
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Relations or their designees within 21 calendar days of the
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receipt at the area level. The headquarters team will
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jointly review the file and either agree to a resolution
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agreed. No action will be taken or will
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impasse the dispute. The team's decision will be in
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writing and provided to the RREDP team at the area level for
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further dissemination. The parties agree that if an
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impasse is reached, the dispute will be referred to step four as
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an interpretive issue. The parties agree to reassess
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this dispute process prior to the next rural route evaluation
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effective date to determine if any changes will be made to
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these procedures and to update the timelines for submission.
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All right, that is the MOU on rural route evaluation dispute
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process. So in a nutshell.
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Obvious errors in the following data fields of route length,
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regular, centralized or total boxes, daily dismounts, daily
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dismount, distance collection compartments, TCP, your traffic
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control points, daily activities, miscellaneous time
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and office walk distance. And then of course, if there's
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any entry of 0 or questionable number in any data field that
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would otherwise expected to have a time credit, those are what
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you can dispute. I I kind of have a problem with
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the timeline of 30 days and 21 calendar days.
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Somewhere along the line it adds up to 51 to me.
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How many people have not received their disputes back
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yet, let alone get their disputes pushed up to Step 2?
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And I've never heard of any going to Step 3 all.
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Right. And this is just kind of an
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addendum with that says rule route dispute process issues and
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documentation. All disputes must include a
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4241, A 4241 M and the LTM data page R Rex disputes.
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The rule route evaluation dispute process will be used to
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address disputes for the assigned carrier has identified
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potential errors. Local management and the carrier
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should discuss and work together to submit the necessary
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documentation needed to resolve the issues and then listed on
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the following pages some common issues being disputed and the
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recommended documentation needed at the very minimum that should
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accompany the dispute. Please remember that each item
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being disputed should be on its own dispute form along with the
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necessary documentation. The dispute and the
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documentation will be sent to the Manager of Labor Relations
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at the district level by the postmaster and to the NRLCA
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District Representative. Only clear legible copies should
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be provided to both parties. Pictures are unacceptable.
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Hard copy is requested. If you have more than one
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dispute, you have to have a separate dispute form for each
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dispute. Yeah, we're not going to go over
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the documents that you need for each item to go through that.
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That's a long list and it should be available on the NRLCA.
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It is available on the NRLCA website.
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Should be available on rural info as well.
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As we'll have it available on our Discord in our files, I'll
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put it there. I'll put it in the files under
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the the Facebook group as well. Yeah, so you'll be able to find
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the the information that you need wherever you need it
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possible, but you have to have your 4241 A, your 4241 M, and
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your Lya travel Manager data page.
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The last page after you submit it's gonna show you the box
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counts, mileage and so on and so forth.
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So you'll have to have that as well.
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You realize the dispute form only requires data issues in the
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4241 A. Now the 4241 M is what goes into
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the 4241 A. So if there is a dispute with a
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number on your 4241 M, it's going to affect the number on
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the 4241 A. So you can dispute that stuff.
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Just make sure that you have the documentation to go with it.
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This is one of the few times where a situation of an issue
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like a grievance, you have a dispute with management where
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you have to provide the documentation versus management
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providing it, which in my opinion completely sucks because
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management has all this information already.
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We should be able to just file a dispute and management be able
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to pull up that information because they use that
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information to get this system. Why can't they pull it up
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themselves? It's the same way they can't
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give you a a parcel tracking report in a daily basis.
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Yeah, in. Fact don't even know how to get
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it. Yeah.
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In fact it says here there is no 52 week report that could be
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requested to verify parcel volumes.
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But yeah, we're supposed to depend on this system to tell us
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our partial volumes. So yeah.
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That's funny. That's the dispute process I
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don't think I have. I personally don't see anything
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needed to dispute on mine currently at this time, I should
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say. Glancing over it, I'd like I
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said I don't have my M yet, but my my 4241 A.
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It doesn't look like I have anything to dispute currently.
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Yeah, I'm still waiting on them to come up with the program for
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us to be able to view our, our numbers ourselves that the union
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promised us. Yeah, and then they retracted on
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that and said it wasn't financially feasible.
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Well, well, no, because they don't want to spend any money on
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anything other than what's good for them.
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Like Starbucks. There we go.
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There we go. I'd rather have crown than
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Starbucks, honestly. Thank you.
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I don't even drink coffee at work, so give me a monster 0 any
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day of the week. But don't.
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Yeah, they'll coffee for me. You know, I I tried going
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without coffee on Wednesday morning.
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My court date's next my my court date is next Tuesday.
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I have reasons why I don't drink coffee at work.
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I'm not going to get into those personal reasons as we all know
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what coffee does to 1, so to some.
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So yeah, I don't drink coffee at work for that reason, but on
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Sundays at home I drink coffee. I did have a cup today but.
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All right, let's let's throw some more more logs on the fire
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here. Been seeing advertisements for
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new supervisor positions for people right off the streets.
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Yeah. Do we really need more
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supervisors? Well, I mean supervisors.
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Do we really need more people who don't understand the Postal
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Service? Do we need people that have
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never delivered mail supervising carriers?
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Do we need more people afraid of the postmaster?
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Who's afraid of the Poon? Who's afraid of the district
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manager? They'll all lose their jobs if
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they don't get their reports done by 10:30, because doing
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those reports moves the mail. You know, when we have our 2O4B
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on the desk, as even he said, she's like, you know, I'm just
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kind of a babysitter for you guys.
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I'm like, we don't need a babysitter.
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He goes like, yeah, I know you guys don't.
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I'm just here because they need somebody here and I'm like, but
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you're doing just fine. He's like, yeah, you guys are no
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problems. I'll just sit back and tell you
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you're clear when you get back. I was like, cool, thanks.
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See you later. Well, that's that's, that's the
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key. If you actually look at the M38,
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the M38 does say specifically that management should arrive
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prior to the first carrier scheduled to work and should not
26:59
leave until the last carrier is back from their route.
27:03
And a lot of a lot of offices have gotten away from that.
27:07
I think that's something we should be enforcing and making
27:09
management wait for us, especially with driving LL, VS
27:12
and stuff like that out there. Or delivering Amazon when you
27:16
started at 10:00 AM on Sunday, Yeah.
27:18
That's the next stuff to thing to discuss.
27:20
Oh damn. I'm gonna, I'm gonna be out of
27:23
this conversation. We don't have Sunday Amazon in
27:25
my office, so I'm gonna let you guys handle that one.
27:30
Well, that's Bill and me, 'cause my office, they have to travel
27:33
to a hub for for delivery. Now.
27:35
We used to be the hub, but they now have to travel up to
27:38
Clarkston to deliver for the hub.
27:41
And I've had conversations with my carriers there and they're
27:44
not even delivering our parcels out of that hub.
27:48
They're delivering Clarkston parcels and not just Amazon.
27:52
They're delivering UPS, they're delivering DHL, they're
27:56
delivering postal parcels. They're costing routes, money,
27:59
delivering parcels on Sunday on top of the fact that they're
28:03
delivering Amazon and starting at 10:00 now.
28:07
And Bill and I did discuss this during the week and Bill, have
28:12
at it. Oh God there.
28:14
There is nothing more joyous than being off.
28:17
On Thursday. I had to follow up to my
28:20
operation and everything went well.
28:22
Doctors pleased with my progress and my mental capacity should
28:26
return to normal sometime in 2052.
28:31
Other than that, I get a phone call from a sub saying what the
28:36
Hell's going on. We can't come into work on
28:39
Sunday till 10:00 AM and I asked I said, well explain it to me.
28:44
The supervisor explained that deliveries will start at 10:00
28:49
AM on Sunday in our office and we're a large office and that's
28:53
that. Now, everybody knew that this
28:56
Sunday, today was going to be Easter Sunday.
28:58
People make family plans weeks, if not a month ahead of time.
29:03
And this carrier was concerned because they cook and had a lot
29:06
of people coming over. And I advised the carrier that,
29:10
you know, using their discretion on whether or not, you know,
29:13
they, you know, come in earlier or don't come in or do come in.
29:17
It's up to them, but it's their discretion.
29:20
So I started making phone calls. First phone call was the Dr. Who
29:24
wasn't available. Second phone call was to the
29:27
NRRNRO who was available who then turned around and called
29:34
our Director of Labor operation. In the meantime I got on the
29:38
phone. I was calling the Director of
29:39
Stewart Operations who was not in on Thursday and was sent to
29:46
the phone voicemail for her assistant because her assistant
29:50
wasn't available either. The NRR get gets back to me and
29:54
explains to me that the Director of Labor Operations, Bridget
29:58
Boziak, explained that management is allowed to change
30:04
the hours, that that that that they only have to give advance
30:07
notice, reasonable advance notice when they're changing a
30:12
regular carrier's delivery. Their drop day, I said to the
30:17
NROI said, did Bridget understand this was Subs Sunday.
30:22
Amazon had nothing to do with regular carriers or their drop
30:26
days, but she quoted an article from our contract, Article 30,
30:31
in regards to changing drop days.
30:33
And I'm I just. I had just had to shake my head.
30:36
Article 34.3 says about getting reasonable advance notice to
30:43
rule carriers. RCASETFSRCRS are rule carrier
30:50
didn't say career. It didn't say substitutes.
30:52
It says rule carriers black and white.
30:56
I'm not interpreting this. This is in the contract.
30:59
Now the situation for this one particular carrier turned around
31:03
and called the supervisor. Supervisor, you know, said, OK,
31:06
you can come in at 8:30. Now we're going to have a
31:09
problem with this parity of treatment for one individual
31:11
over the other six. Half an hour later, supervisor
31:14
calls back and tells the carrier no, the POOM says it's 10:00.
31:19
And I'm thinking this is just a regional type thing.
31:22
And then my phone started popping with people across the
31:26
country all getting the same message of 10 AM start time.
31:31
Now the previous week in Westchester, Pennsylvania, three
31:35
of the West routes, which is, you know, the consolidation of
31:38
numerous routes, the smallest route was 11.47 hours.
31:43
The next route was 12 something. The third route, the largest
31:48
route that went out, was 14 hours, which means if they
31:52
started at 10:00 AM today, they would have got done at midnight
31:57
tonight. And what supervisor is going to
32:00
be out, you know, at the office waiting for the carrier.
32:03
And on top of that, that that carrier would also know 432.32.
32:08
Elm says no more than 12 hours and I'd advise them to bring it
32:13
all back for safety reasons. Being out too long, tired,
32:16
unsafe. This is just horseshit folks.
32:21
Now my Dr. did get back and say to me that this is a possible
32:26
step four class action grievance, but but it has to go
32:31
through either Bridget or Shirley and how much faith does
32:36
anybody have in either one of them doing anything for us?
32:38
This is the absolute pitulation of the National Rule Letter
32:43
Carriers Association in in the eyes of the post Office because
32:47
they can say and do anything they want and then they tell us
32:50
to grieve. I hate that.
32:53
I'd like to be able to sit there and say no, you know, it's not,
32:56
it's against the contract, it's against safety, it's immoral,
33:00
it's illegal. I'm not doing it without
33:02
repercussions in regards to losing your job.
33:05
I'm sick and tired of this horseshit, ladies and gentlemen.
33:09
It's got to stop. And the only way it stops is
33:12
when we change leadership, because they've done nothing for
33:15
us for at least the last 15 years.
33:18
I'm going to say this, the reason why management is
33:21
changing it to 10:00 is multifaceted.
33:26
So one of the one of the reasons why is the clerks getting
33:30
everything up on Sunday is one of their arguments.
33:34
Another one of their arguments is, Oh well, guess what?
33:37
If they leave at 10:00, they're more likely to hurry out there,
33:41
be risky in what they're doing, risk safety in order to deliver
33:45
more parcels to get done earlier.
33:48
You're sending them out during the in the summer.
33:50
It's going to be the hottest time of the year, hottest time
33:54
of the day. You're going to put them out
33:56
there delivering these parcels when when they were starting at
34:00
8:00, some of them were getting done at one 2:00 in the
34:03
afternoon before it really got to the hottest part of the day,
34:05
which is around 3:00 in the afternoon.
34:08
Things like that. You're risking carrier safety.
34:11
You're risking carriers being out past dark.
34:15
You're risking carriers livelihood and their life
34:19
because they're going to try and push themselves to deliver
34:22
parcels that really aren't worth Jack.
34:25
Your Amazon parcel of paper towels, Kitty litter and dog
34:29
food doesn't have to be rushed to your house.
34:32
I understand that dog food's important to your pets, I
34:35
understand that. But these carriers should not be
34:39
out there trying to find ways to be quicker at this job at the at
34:43
the cost of safety. And that's what they're doing by
34:47
starting them at 10:00 in the morning when the clerks could
34:50
have been started at 6:30, Amazon could have delivered at
34:52
6:30 in the morning and the parcels could have been up by
34:55
8:30 in the morning. But when you're not thinking
34:59
about carrier safety, which is management's go to, they don't
35:03
think about carrier safety. It's all about getting those
35:06
scans done. So they are not a listed
35:08
district office. That's when I have an issue with
35:11
it. Well, the the other part of it,
35:13
the the backlash of this whole situation is did we not have
35:17
enough clerks, you know, to sort the parcels?
35:19
OK, when did the Amazon truck arrive?
35:22
Did we move, move the start time back because Amazon wants to get
35:26
more out the door and their truck is arriving late, later?
35:30
Or is it because of the fact that we are running not only our
35:33
the Amazon parcels, but the DHL, the FedEx, the the UPS and
35:38
everything else, but we're also running parcels that we should
35:42
be getting on Monday. This previous Monday I ran into
35:46
no less than 23 mailboxes that had burrs in them from Sunday
35:53
and none of them had Sunday delivery on them.
35:56
So basically I think there's they're moving it back so they
36:01
get more time to run these things on the machine, sort them
36:03
out and get the parcels out on Sunday so that we don't get
36:07
credit for them on Monday. And that's what our Dr. is going
36:09
to have to look into because our packages that unless they
36:13
specify Sunday delivery shouldn't be going out the damn
36:17
door and we shouldn't be holding up for Amazon to get there if
36:21
their truck's getting there later.
36:23
We work with Amazon. Not for.
36:25
At least not yet. It's this is not something that
36:29
should be happening and I believe that if if it's this
36:32
way, the carrier should be getting there on Sunday at the
36:35
same time that the carriers normally get there for delivery
36:39
Monday through Saturday. So if your office is at 8:00 AM
36:42
start time, your carrier should be there and picking up at 8:00
36:45
AM all these Amazon parcels. It's that simple.
36:50
It shouldn't be. Oh, well, we're going to push it
36:52
back to 10:00 so we can sort all the priority, express the DHLU,
36:58
PS:, FedEx, laser ship, everybody else.
37:04
So that way we can we can have this office completely empty of
37:07
parcels for Monday. Yeah, no, because now you're
37:10
doing now you're taking away those parcels from the routes
37:14
evaluation, the ones that are not Sunday Amazon, the other
37:19
everything else that does not have Sunday delivery on it is
37:22
supposed to go out on Monday. You know you're pulling from
37:25
people's evaluations, which is total horseshit.
37:29
Well, I like the explanation that, Oh well, we we can push
37:33
the priority package packages along the line.
37:37
The priority packages give you an estimation of when they're
37:41
going to arrive. There is no guarantee that
37:43
they'll arrive within three to five days.
37:46
It's an average, an estimation. So they don't have to go out on
37:50
Sundays either. If you have an express mail,
37:53
fine. If you have something that says
37:55
Sunday delivery, fine. Otherwise, leave it on the floor
38:00
for Monday. We all know Mondays are heavy
38:03
normally. And you know we're we're tuned
38:05
to that. But stop stealing from the
38:08
craft. It's not like they actually care
38:11
about it anyways, because Express sits until the next day
38:13
now anyways and is a failure, so it's not really a big issue of
38:18
that either. So that can wait till Monday
38:20
anyways, because it's already a failure because it sat there on
38:23
Saturday after it was delivered after the carrier left.
38:26
So it's not really a big deal there either.
38:28
So it's it's not really about getting it out there because
38:33
it's there. It's about getting it out of
38:34
there. So it's not on the carrier's
38:36
evaluation. You're right about that.
38:38
And answering to the statement in the listener chat, says
38:44
Kristen. Don't you think that's the plan
38:46
to hand off volume on Sunday to cut routes?
38:49
Yeah, I honestly believe that's management's idea of trying to
38:54
control the evaluations in some form or another is to hand off
39:00
that stuff that normally would have gone out on Monday and have
39:03
it delivered on Sunday, 'cause now anything we all know that's
39:06
delivered on Sunday and holidays is not counted towards the
39:10
evaluation. I can totally see that they we
39:13
had that issue in an office just South of me that they were
39:16
throwing stuff on that didn't belong to be delivered on
39:20
Sundays. I mean, I remember that when we
39:23
first got Amazon in my old office, there were days where
39:26
that we had the priorities to to bulk up the routes because it
39:30
wasn't as heavy here. And you know, at the time it was
39:34
before RX and nobody really thought about it like that, you
39:38
know? But now that you're thinking
39:39
about that, yeah, I mean that's messing with our evaluation,
39:42
that's messing with our pay. That's one way for management to
39:45
try and and and control what our evaluations are.
39:49
And I know, I know my manager, when she gets back, guess she's
39:52
on vacation again. This week will not be happy that
39:54
my route went up an hour. I know she won't be happy
39:57
because I'm tied with the other route for the biggest routes in
40:00
the office. You think I care?
40:03
No, I you know I feel that yeah my route should be a 46 I have
40:09
out of outside of the one other route which is totally different
40:12
zip code. The only route for that zip
40:13
code. I do have the biggest route in
40:15
the office, the heaviest route in the office.
40:17
But yeah, it's I I don't agree with it.
40:20
And this pushing the start times to 10:00.
40:23
Even though it doesn't affect my office directly, I I think it's
40:26
a lot of horse crap, I really do.
40:29
Because again, you're pushing the safety issues.
40:32
It's like the same safety issues that we have on the Rcas.
40:35
When you have these pooms and district managers having
40:38
teleconferences just for Rcas telling them they got to get out
40:41
of the office faster, they have to be back by 5:00.
40:45
I'm sorry if your start time's 8:00 AM and you're on a route
40:48
that is 9 plus hours. You don't have to be back by
40:52
5:00. The only ruling in there for RC
40:55
as is the 12 hour rule. So why are we going to try and
40:57
rush them into unsafe work practices?
41:01
Because management wants to go home at 5:00.
41:04
That's a big bite me. Yep, it is.
41:07
And I'm dealing with that in my office with pushing these RC as.
41:11
So we're putting two RC as on one route and getting a borrowed
41:15
RCA to to to split another route with another RCA because we
41:20
don't want these carriers out past 5:00 because we want to go
41:23
home. Why are you bringing a carrier
41:25
from 40 miles away to split a route that's not even fair to
41:29
that carrier who's driving 40 miles in to have some hours to
41:32
do half a route? And why are you bringing in a
41:35
carrier from another office when you have an RCA from our office
41:40
sitting at home that day? Sorry I had to go there I it's
41:47
nice that we we we have a steward now that just got
41:50
certified in our office and even though that person can't tell
41:55
these Rcas what they can and can't do for for filing and you
42:00
know it's their choice. I sure as hell can educate them
42:03
and I have been and I will continue it our.
42:06
Responsibility as members of this craft to let people know
42:11
when they have an issue that they can get solved with a
42:14
grievance process. That's the only.
42:17
That and honest and honestly people.
42:20
There are many of many, many carriers out there that have
42:23
absolutely no faith in the grievance process and just let
42:26
things go because they have no faith in the grievance process.
42:30
They have no faith in in the steward system right now.
42:34
And I I understand that. I I have seen those people in my
42:37
office, even when I was a steward, that was the most, the
42:41
hardest thing for me, 'cause they would they, you know, like
42:44
the keyboard warriors out there, they're going to bitch and whine
42:47
and moan and groan all day long, but they're not doing anything.
42:51
And honestly, the grievance process is the only way that we
42:55
have to fight back. It is the only thing to have
42:59
that paper trail, to fight back, to fight against management and
43:03
uphold our rights in our contract, in our offices.
43:07
It is the only thing that we have.
43:09
And I you know, I suggest people use it.
43:11
And that's a shame, because a lot of people don't have faith,
43:14
just like they don't have faith in the RECS program and the
43:18
dispute process. Too many people are too
43:21
complacent and there are many carriers out there that are very
43:27
complacent in way the old system was.
43:30
This is not the old system anymore.
43:32
It's never going to go back to the old system.
43:34
As far as I can see in the future, it's this is, it's here,
43:37
it's here to stay. You need to learn it.
43:41
You know, we did have that episode 16 with the activity
43:45
scans and I have suggested before that we do an updated one
43:48
and we may still do it just to retouch on the things that have
43:51
changed to get people out of that complacency.
43:55
If you're going to be complacent and even if you're looking to
43:59
retire, you may screw that next carrier that's going to come up
44:02
and take that route over. Because that route may be
44:05
severely under evaluated. But because you're complacent
44:08
and just don't care, that next carrier is going to have to work
44:12
their tails off to get everything where it needs to be
44:15
for that next year to get that route to be where it should be.
44:19
If it is one of those that is severely under evaluated, and I
44:22
know there's still some out there, and then we have some of
44:25
these ridiculous ones that I've seen 90 standard hours, 15 1/2
44:32
hour daily evaluation hours, what the hell I?
44:39
Want a two day routes? Kristen, I want to disagree with
44:41
you about going back to the old ways because they did have a
44:46
modification on the Rex program for the pars labels and they
44:52
change, they change the verbiage on there so that you're only
44:56
getting credit for the pars labels during the mini mail
44:59
survey which. I absolutely disagree with.
45:02
Yes, and it's the same damn thing that we went through with
45:06
the mail count only what happened during the mail count?
45:09
Did it count, folks, if you have an apartment complex, if you
45:13
have townhomes, if you have seasonal routes, Yeah, right.
45:20
And I'm going to, I'm going to use mine for for an instance.
45:22
Real quick guys. I have a very seasonal route.
45:25
I have over 100 seasonal residents on my route.
45:29
I had one pars label during the mini mail survey, one that was a
45:35
move left, no address that I had done since that mini mail
45:39
survey. That has ended.
45:41
I've gotten over half a dozen Pars labels because of my people
45:45
that are coming back or some of that are changing them.
45:48
Some of that are, you know, decided they're not coming back
45:50
quite, you know, so soon. They extended it out.
45:53
They deleted it early, 'cause they're coming back.
45:56
I've got, I've got several different residence areas that
46:00
are, you know, constantly flipping new people in and out,
46:03
new people in and out. I've had over a half a dozen
46:06
pars labels since the mini mail survey ended.
46:08
And during the mini mail survey I had one and the next mini mail
46:12
survey at the end of August. I probably will have just as
46:16
many because my seasonals don't leave till October.
46:19
So, and that actually just puts me right into a perfect
46:23
discussion here. We do have an episode on
46:26
resolutions that you could put forth at your annual local
46:31
meeting or at your state convention that can go on to
46:35
national. One of my resolutions is to
46:37
bring back the 52 weeks of powers labels.
46:41
I'm passing that up this year because I am.
46:44
I just like you. I had before the mini mail
46:48
survey. Two weeks before the mini mail
46:50
survey, I had 12 powers labels. During the mini mail survey I
46:54
had 9 powers labels that were all moved left, no addresses
46:58
that I did myself from addresses that I got mail back from people
47:03
on the route. The people that haven't lived
47:04
there, granted they were move left, no address ones, but
47:09
they're still counting for the mini mail survey.
47:11
But I'm putting it in as a resolution.
47:14
One of the current 17 that I'm putting forth for National
47:18
Convention right now. Anybody that's wants to get
47:23
involved once, that's one of the ways you can do that is put in
47:27
resolutions to make changes like this, to make difference in the
47:31
craft, to tell the tell the leadership what you want the
47:35
craft to have either in the next contract, in the, in the
47:38
national constitution, things like that.
47:41
So go back and review our episode on resolutions that we
47:45
have. The information has not changed
47:48
in that one at least. Or even an activity scan for
47:51
pars labels that hey, I'd be all about that too.
47:56
I'd have no issues on that pars labels.
47:58
Enter the quantity you have that day.
48:00
What's wrong with that? I and.
48:02
If you have a yeah, if you bar code them then you know they can
48:06
be recognized. Yeah, yeah, I have no issues
48:09
with that. That would be that would solve
48:10
something over a 52 week. But they're printed out.
48:13
It's not like they don't know how many are coming in each day.
48:17
They're printing them out every day.
48:20
Don't go too far, OK? I I I usually get them two or
48:24
three days after. Think yeah, people have moved
48:27
forward. I have a premium forward.
48:29
I got a week and 1/2 after it started and the clerk came to my
48:33
case and said the city's calling up complaining she's not getting
48:36
her premium forward. I said tell her I'm in the same
48:39
boat. I I haven't gotten it either.
48:42
But yeah, I mean, I would be all about an activity scan for Parse
48:45
labels. I have no issue with that
48:47
whatsoever that that would definitely be something to lick
48:51
into future wise. And there was one more thing you
48:54
wanted to discuss tonight, Kristen.
48:56
Relief day work list. Yes, the biggest, the biggest
49:01
arguments I've seen on Facebook the past couple of weeks I think
49:06
has been the relief day work list, not the overtime list.
49:11
We do not have an overtime list. We are not city carriers.
49:14
We do not have overtime. We cannot accept overtime.
49:19
We can volunteer for it through an MOU, but we do not have an
49:23
overtime list. Please do.
49:25
Please correct your manager if they're calling you on the
49:28
overtime list. It is the relief day work list,
49:33
no ifs, ands or buts. Works hand in hand with the
49:36
order of consideration. Yes.
49:39
Yes, relief day work list let me pull this up.
49:42
Sorry. I got logged out before I had it
49:44
up. I had it up but.
49:46
We were talking too much and you lost.
49:48
You lost your timing on that? Yeah, it's OK though.
49:52
It's OK. Relief day work list is covered
49:55
in Article 8.5 as well as Article 30.2, point D as in Dog
50:01
.5 of the contract. There is also the Wilson letter,
50:06
the P115. There is a letter of mutual
50:10
understanding from 2000, the R 98.
50:14
There is a Step 4 from O2, which is now considered the R 96.
50:21
There is a Step 4 from O5 which is considered the H70.
50:26
And then of course there's the implication guidelines, the R-95
50:30
for the relief Day worklist. This came out back in what 99?
50:36
So this is the implementation guideline for the relief day
50:38
work list and PTF role carrier positions and the extension to
50:42
the 95 through 99USPS NRLCA national agreement.
50:47
I'm going to just cover the relief day work list part.
50:49
So the new provision allows regular carriers who desire to
50:52
work their relief day to place their names on a relief day work
50:56
list in the delivery unit in order to implement this new
50:59
provision immediately. There will be two week initial
51:02
implementation period. Regular rule carriers signed a
51:06
relief day work list period. This was back 2000, so that's
51:10
the beginning of this period. Management in each delivery unit
51:12
with a real delivery will establish a list for regular
51:15
rule carriers to sign indicating their desire to work any relief
51:19
day needed until the end of the guarantee period.
51:23
So I'm just kind of going to highlight just the important
51:26
stuff here. And if it is necessary to work a
51:31
regular rule carrier on a relief day, management will select the
51:34
senior rule carrier on the list with the applicable relief day.
51:39
Each occasion thereafter, management will rotate the
51:43
assignment to the to work the relief day among the rule
51:47
carriers on the list with the needed relief day.
51:50
The regular rule carrier selected to work the relief day
51:53
will serve on his or her assigned regular route the leave
51:57
replacement that would have otherwise been working that
52:00
route will be utilized on the rural route in the delivery unit
52:03
without coverage for that day. If the leave replacement has
52:06
never served, that route is qualified on another route in
52:09
the delivery unit. Management may change
52:11
assignments with another leave replacement who has experienced
52:13
on the route needing coverage. Our substitutes Rcas and RCRS
52:17
serving primary assignments and those assigned to auxiliary
52:20
routes may not have their assignments changed.
52:24
Management may also say, well we don't have TR CS anymore to
52:27
serve the routes needing coverage and place the RC on a
52:29
route in which he or she is qualified.
52:31
If the routes in the delivery unit still do not have coverage
52:34
after exhausting the relief day work list, management will
52:36
select regular rule carriers not on the list that have indicated
52:40
they want to work the relief day on that day before mandating.
52:43
Regular carriers not on the list by juniority management maybe
52:47
bypass a regular carrier whether they are on the relief day work
52:50
list or not, if it would cause the carrier to exceed the hours
52:54
of the annual guarantee or 56 actual hours within one week.
52:59
Only. Regular rule carriers who names
53:01
around the relief day work list will be provided one of the
53:03
three composition options described below.
53:06
When working the relief day, it must be emphasized that
53:09
management must utilize available leave replacements in
53:12
the delivery unit before assigning a regular rule carrier
53:16
to work the relief day. Qualified leave replacements
53:20
must be utilized prior to signing other leave replacements
53:23
in the office to work the Relief Day Compensation for Working
53:26
Relief Day. All regular carriers not on the
53:29
relief day work list to work the relief day will receive a
53:31
compensation at 50% of the carrier's daily rate of pay.
53:36
In addition to receiving an X day within 12 weeks as scheduled
53:40
by the employer. Regular rule carriers on the
53:43
Relief Day work list to work the relief day will select one of
53:46
the following options, one an X day to immediately schedule by
53:51
mutual agreement between the carrier and the employer.
53:54
The scheduled X day must be within the next 12 weeks, which
53:58
is essentially A DACA R #2 compensation at 50% of the
54:03
carrier's daily rate of pay, in addition to receiving an X day
54:07
within 12 weeks as scheduled by the employer.
54:10
DACA 3 #3 compensation at 150% of the rule carrier's daily rate
54:16
of pay. The carrier will not receive an
54:18
X day. That's a deck of five.
54:20
The regular rule carrier must make his or her election at the
54:23
above options no later than the day of the worked relief day.
54:27
Regular rule carriers who earn an X day for working relief days
54:31
from the beginning of the guarantee period through the end
54:34
of the Christmas period must receive the X day within the
54:37
same period pay period in which the relief day was worked.
54:41
Regular rule carriers who did not receive this corresponding
54:44
earned X day within the same pay period will receive 100% of
54:48
their daily rate of pay in lieu of the X day.
54:52
So yes, we do not have an ODL. We have a relief day work list
54:57
manage assignment of non Saturday relief days.
55:01
Management may assign non Saturday relief days in limited
55:03
situations in those offices where there's an insufficient
55:07
number of leave replacements and one or more regular carriers are
55:10
working relief days. On more than infrequent
55:13
occasions it may be necessary to change the relief day on one or
55:16
more K route. This kind of goes into the PTF
55:19
formula stuff, so I'm just kind of going to drop that off for
55:21
now. Relief day worklist is supposed
55:24
to be rotating. You need to use all available
55:28
leave replacements first and then actually let me pull up the
55:31
order of consideration real quick.
55:33
I have this. Well, my my biggest concern is
55:37
that they're trying to convert us into like a modified city
55:41
carrier position. Because when the supervisor
55:43
comes over and says aren't you on the overtime desire list and
55:47
say no, I'm a rule carrier, that's a city function, they go,
55:51
well, it's the same thing. No, it's not go away and they
55:56
look at me like I'm nuts. I'm I'm trying to be nice about
55:59
it while I'm laughing. No, we don't have an overtime
56:02
desire list. You can't, you know, force me to
56:05
help on other routes during the week.
56:07
You can't. And you especially can't ask me
56:09
to help on my drop day when if I work, my drop day can't pay me
56:12
any more than you are. All right Order of consideration
56:16
The Covering a route when a regular rule carrier is absent.
56:19
The document represents the position of the NRLCA as
56:22
supported by the contractual and other language cited #1 Primary
56:26
assigned leave replacement Entitled to weekly evaluated
56:30
hours when covering the route for full week may only then be
56:33
replaced to avoid overtime or additional overtime.
56:37
And this is from article 30.2 point O and then B when covering
56:43
route for entire week they may be required and or request to
56:46
take a relief day on J or K routes.
56:49
The relief day is not necessarily the same as the
56:52
regular carrier Article 30.2 point HC.
56:57
When a leave replacement is being scheduled on a day-to-day
57:00
basis, the primary substitute RCA or RCR must be scheduled for
57:05
work on their primary assignment if available, even if this
57:09
results in compensation at the overtime rate.
57:13
Pre Arbitration settlements from March of 2005, known as the M 84
57:20
#2. If the primary assigned leave
57:22
replacement is not available, management may assign an
57:26
available part time flexible row carrier before assigning the
57:29
second or third relief replacement on the matrix.
57:33
Article 30.2 Point D .2 and the M84 again #3 assign the leave
57:40
replacement in the secondary spot on the matrix.
57:43
No entitlement to overtime, but also from the M84.
57:48
Assign the leave #4, Assign the leave replacement in the
57:53
retiree. The third spot on the matrix.
57:57
No entitlement to overtime. Again citing the M 84 #5
58:02
assigned by seniority. Another qualified substitute RC
58:06
or RCR in that delivery unit. Qualified means having received
58:10
training or been utilized on the route.
58:12
No entitlement to overtime. Article 30.2, Point D .3, and
58:19
again the M84 number six If No Qualified Substitutes, Rule
58:24
Carrier Associates or Rule Carrier Relief Employees within
58:27
the Delivery Unit are available, the Employer may designate any
58:32
other leave replacement in the office prior to selecting a
58:35
regular rule Carrier to work in accordance with Article 8.5 #7.
58:42
If no other leave replacement in the office are available, the
58:45
Employer may schedule a leave Replacement from another office
58:49
before selecting a regular rural carrier to work in accordance
58:53
with Article 8.5. If a leave replacement is
58:57
scheduled to case and carry a regular rural route in his or
59:02
her assigned office, the leave replacement is considered
59:07
unavailable to work in another office.
59:10
Article 30.2 Point D .5 I have heard many times where Rcas are
59:16
running full routes and then getting sent into other offices.
59:20
No no no no, no File #8. Management may on some occasions
59:26
split a route or schedule an RCA to serve a regular route and an
59:30
auxiliary route. Note the NRLCA position is that
59:35
the term on some occasions does not include scheduling multiple
59:40
assignments or splitting routes on a repeated or ongoing basis.
59:46
Except in emergency situations, Management must not schedule a
59:50
leave replacement to serve on two full assignments or one full
59:55
assignment and one or more partial assignments in a single
59:58
day if the evaluations of these assignments total 12 hours or
1:00:04
more. That falls under the step 4R96
1:00:10
and the Wilson letter. The P 115 #9 select a regular
1:00:17
carrier to work in accordance with Article 8.5 A Select
1:00:23
carriers on the relief day work list in order of seniority on a
1:00:27
rotating basis to work on their relief day.
1:00:32
Carriers on Relief day work list are paid one of the ways at
1:00:36
their option. Article 9.2 Point C .5 point
1:00:42
little off 1A DACA code R carrier management mutual agree
1:00:47
on X day within next 12 weeks. No additional compensation.
1:00:51
Use the Form 3971 for that bleeded and same consideration
1:00:56
as approved annual leave. Yes, X days have the same
1:00:59
consideration as annual leave #2 DACA 3, the 50% additional
1:01:04
compensation and X day scheduled by management within next 12
1:01:08
weeks. Management must give three days
1:01:11
notice when scheduling X day. This is under the Wilson letter.
1:01:14
The P 115 #3 DACA code 5 Carrier receives 100% of daily
1:01:22
evaluation evaluated. Pay no X day letter B.
1:01:26
If the need exists, the employer will accept volunteers from
1:01:30
regular carriers not on the list before requiring regular
1:01:34
carriers not on the list to work their relief day.
1:01:38
Such requirement will be by juniority.
1:01:41
Article 8.5 point A .2 C Require regular work.
1:01:47
Require a regular carrier not on the relief day work list to
1:01:51
work. This is done by juniority and
1:01:54
does not rotate. DACA code 3 is the only
1:01:58
compensation choice. Article 9.2 Point C .5 point
1:02:03
little G notes any regular carrier may be bypassed from
1:02:08
working a relief day if the hours worked would cause them to
1:02:12
exceed 2080 hours for the guarantee year or 56 hours for
1:02:16
the week. Article 8.5 Point C Regular
1:02:20
carriers with annual leave, sick leave, or an X day scheduled
1:02:24
adjacent to their relief day will not be required to work
1:02:29
their relief day. Article 8.5 Point A .3 and then
1:02:36
#10IN emergencies, any other qualified employee may be
1:02:41
assigned. Article 30.2 Point D points it
1:02:45
and that is the order of consideration and the relief day
1:02:48
work list. Oh God, I'm relieved to hear
1:02:51
that. And just for that, I need
1:02:54
another sip of juice. The thing about it for everybody
1:02:59
is it is a relief day work list. That is the only day and they
1:03:07
have to notify you in advance if they're going to work you on
1:03:11
your relief day. Don't think that they're just
1:03:13
going to call you up the day of and be like, hey, Nope, somebody
1:03:17
else called in. We need you to come in and run
1:03:19
the route because you're on the relief day work list.
1:03:21
That's not how it works. They can try and if you agree
1:03:25
then you go in, but they can't force you to come in on the day
1:03:29
of. And they can't just and like
1:03:31
some management thinks if you're on the relief day work list,
1:03:34
then you're automatically volunteering to work every
1:03:38
relief day and that's that, that's how some management sees
1:03:42
it, like mine, all right. And so with our MO U that we
1:03:46
currently have out, that would fall in place before #10 and
1:03:51
those that are not familiar with the MO U about working other
1:03:56
stuff, let me see if I could find it there it is.
1:04:00
So that MO U again. Due to the continued staffing
1:04:05
challenges in the rural delivery operations, the parties have
1:04:08
agreed to a temporary limited modification to Article 8.1.
1:04:14
I don't know how temporary this is anymore, guys, which
1:04:18
prohibits regular rule carriers working on Sunday into Article
1:04:21
30.1 Point P, which prohibits regular rule carriers from
1:04:26
serving all or part of any rule route other than his or her
1:04:31
assigned route. No regular carrier will be
1:04:34
required to work on Sunday or serve part of any rural route
1:04:39
other than their assigned route. For the purpose of the work
1:04:43
outlined in this MOU, regular rural carriers must volunteer to
1:04:49
perform these additional duties beginning Saturday, March 9th
1:04:53
and continuing through Friday, August 23rd.
1:04:56
Regular rural Carriers may volunteer to work on Sunday and
1:05:02
may also volunteer to provide assistance on other role routes
1:05:06
in the office. Managers will ask for volunteer
1:05:10
regular Role Carriers who wish to work on Sundays to deliver
1:05:14
packages on any routes in the office or performs or per
1:05:20
perform service on other role routes Monday through Saturday.
1:05:25
Volunteering to work on Sunday or on other rural routes does
1:05:29
not provide a guarantee or entitlement to these assignment
1:05:34
to work these assignments. Prior to scheduling a regular
1:05:38
rural Carrier who has volunteered for Sunday work as
1:05:41
identified in this MOU, management must first schedule
1:05:45
all Assistant Rural Carriers Arcs who are assigned to either
1:05:50
the Hub or Associated Spoke Offices and then all available
1:05:54
leave replacements in the office including stations, branches,
1:05:59
and any remotely managed post Offices RMPOS prior to
1:06:04
scheduling volunteer regular Carrier Regular Roll Carriers
1:06:08
for Sunday work. Volunteer Regular Roll Carriers
1:06:12
will be scheduled for Sunday work on a rotating basis by
1:06:16
seniority following the scheduling of Arcs and leave
1:06:20
replacements as outlined above, A regular rule carriers assigned
1:06:25
route must be completed prior to scheduling that volunteer
1:06:29
regular rule carrier for service on another route in the office.
1:06:34
In addition, offices must comply with the provisions of Article
1:06:38
30.2 point D prior to the scheduling of a volunteer
1:06:42
regular rule carrier to perform assistance on another rule route
1:06:47
in the office. Regular rule carriers will be
1:06:51
compensated at the overtime rate pursuant to Article 9.2 point A,
1:06:56
.1 point little K for hours worked on Sunday and for
1:07:00
services on any rural route other than their assigned
1:07:04
routes. All work hours must be recorded
1:07:07
in the actual weekly hours block on the PS Form 1314.
1:07:12
Hours worked on Sunday or spent providing service on the rural
1:07:16
routes are on other rural routes are also annotated in the daily
1:07:20
overtime block. Regular rural carriers who work
1:07:24
the relief day in accordance with Article 8.5 will not be
1:07:29
scheduled to perform service on other rural routes in the office
1:07:32
on that day. Additionally, management may
1:07:35
bypass scheduling these volunteer regular rural carriers
1:07:38
to work on Sunday or other rule routes if it would cause the
1:07:42
carrier to exceed the annual work hour guarantee.
1:07:46
OK, I'm done. It's volunteer only guys and
1:07:49
they can't. Manage, supposedly.
1:07:50
Supposedly. Supposedly you know, and that's
1:07:54
The thing is is a lot of a lot of management is going to try
1:07:59
and force you to do things that you shouldn't be doing, but you
1:08:04
should make sure that you're doing the right thing and taking
1:08:09
care of yourself and following the contract as much as you can.
1:08:14
When I had that instance on Monday, Monday for example when
1:08:17
I went out and assisted on the other two routes after I
1:08:19
completed mine and I say completed because when I got
1:08:23
back to the office at 5:30 and my supervisor's like did you get
1:08:27
my text? I said Nope.
1:08:30
She had texted me two hours prior.
1:08:32
I looked it up after the fact that said to just go right out
1:08:37
and don't come back to the office to go out and find the
1:08:39
other kid and go help him first. No, you complete your route, you
1:08:44
come back, you do your return to DU, you do your end of shift
1:08:48
duties. Once that is done then you flip
1:08:51
PM casing, you flip that scanner over to the correct route and
1:08:56
then you go out and do what you got to do on that next route and
1:08:59
then when you get back you flip your scanner back over to your
1:09:02
route and then you clock out. I've I've got a question for you
1:09:07
because this has happened and your your professional advice
1:09:12
would be appreciated on this. What what what if you're not on
1:09:15
the the work day relief list and you come back Friday afternoon
1:09:19
at let's see, 4:50 PM? Not 145 like you do, but 450
1:09:26
like I do. And there's a note on your case
1:09:29
saying Bill we have two open routes tomorrow.
1:09:32
I need you to come in. What would your advice be to me?
1:09:35
No, you have two open routes tomorrow.
1:09:41
Sucks to be you. I'm not on the relief day work
1:09:43
list and you're probably one of the more senior carriers and in
1:09:48
my instance I'm the junior carrier so I'm the low man on
1:09:51
the fuck me pole and which is sorry, I've dubbed that as the
1:09:55
totem, the totem pole. And in my instance yesterday I
1:10:01
not on the relief day work list, so I was forced into work.
1:10:05
Well, first of all a a note at your case is not a proper form
1:10:08
of communication. Second of all, like like
1:10:11
Frequency said, what note? Because it would go in my pocket
1:10:17
and go home with me. I wouldn't throw it in the trash
1:10:19
can next to my case. Oh no, no.
1:10:21
You just save that up as documentation to use them
1:10:23
against them in a future date. And and I just sit there and and
1:10:27
I laugh. It's like you, you could call me
1:10:30
up to ask me about a missing parcel that a customer says it's
1:10:34
supposed to be in the parcel locker and I go back to the CVU
1:10:37
and it's in their mail slot. There's no key in the mail slot
1:10:42
indicating A parcel locker parcel, but there's a week and a
1:10:45
half's mail plus the spur that would fit in there.
1:10:48
And you you just if if you don't have a key, well, I didn't find
1:10:53
the key in it. How could you find the key if
1:10:55
you didn't look in your mail slot, which is jammed with mail
1:11:00
and the spur you're looking for? I read the numbers off and and
1:11:04
the supervisor goes that's the numbers.
1:11:05
I'm like, what do you want me to do?
1:11:08
Would you mind taking it to the door?
1:11:09
No problem, and I took it to the door and scanned it again.
1:11:13
Absolutely. And that's another thing that I
1:11:16
get all the time and we found this you know we got newer RCAS,
1:11:19
they miss may miss deliver. I mean my RCA is good.
1:11:22
He does have a little bit of dyslexia.
1:11:24
So once in a while I'll pick something up that, you know,
1:11:27
he's gotten my route down pretty good and I did have to say
1:11:30
something to him. I said, did you have a dyslexia
1:11:32
moment Saturday? He's like I said, I picked up
1:11:36
two parcels out of five O fours box that belonged to seven O
1:11:40
fours. He's like, oh oops.
1:11:42
But you know what? When I grab those and I took
1:11:44
them to seven O 4I scanned them delivered at the box at the
1:11:48
time. If you're going to be fixing
1:11:50
misdelivered packages and this goes out to you RC as as well,
1:11:54
if you if you recover a misdelivered package and you go
1:11:57
and deliver it to where it needs to go, scan it delivered.
1:12:02
When you redeliver it that way, the tracking is showing that it,
1:12:08
yes, it was redelivered to you on that day at this time in this
1:12:11
location, right guys? I I have I have to make a
1:12:15
comment that you you know I I put up in several Facebook
1:12:19
groups the comment that if we don't have the disputes back
1:12:24
then the routes shouldn't be adjusted.
1:12:27
I'm a little over 780 responses on the five different pages I
1:12:32
put it on. One of the responses that I got
1:12:35
back was funny because the individual said how can this be
1:12:40
and they have a zero in their salary on their 4241 A and you
1:12:44
know what my response was you're looking at the wrong sheet.
1:12:47
That's the sheet that belongs in your book.
1:12:50
At your case. Because they left.
1:12:53
Yeah, you hear the they left the personal copy with the salary
1:12:57
back at the office. And and ladies and gentlemen, I
1:13:00
I don't want to be disparaging in any sense of the matter, but
1:13:04
please pay attention. Details matter.
1:13:07
And especially if you're leaving that stuff there then you know
1:13:10
there's people in your office going around checking
1:13:12
everybody's evaluation. They're sneaking in earlier.
1:13:15
They're they're at the end of the shift.
1:13:16
They're they're walking around checking people's cases to see
1:13:20
who went up and who went down because not everybody's open
1:13:22
about what happened to the routes in my office.
1:13:26
We had most of our routes go down, you know, two to three
1:13:29
hours. Some went down four and five
1:13:31
hours. Maybe it was the FSS flats that
1:13:35
you know were discontinued. I lost an hour there.
1:13:37
Maybe it was because the radar reports didn't accurately report
1:13:41
the WSH numbers, the political mail numbers or whatever the
1:13:45
other drop off publications we get at the back of the dock.
1:13:49
Don't leave your personal information out there for people
1:13:52
to go gawk at, OK? I agree.
1:13:55
I have my personal one with my salary at home with me and the
1:14:00
other one will go in their out book obviously.
1:14:03
But yeah it's you know and I got a lot of people saying you know
1:14:06
integrity scan when when you scan it, when you redeliver it,
1:14:09
if it was a misdeliver package or something, not only is a
1:14:13
yeah, I get it an integrity scan but then also was a CYA scan
1:14:19
because that's going to cover your behind.
1:14:22
And I last Saturday I had mentioned I I worked my relief
1:14:28
day last Saturday and rode along as a trainer with our other RCA
1:14:34
that's been there a little bit longer than the two newer ones
1:14:36
just to see where he was at because I didn't train him.
1:14:39
And that was the big thing is I was getting him.
1:14:43
I said scan it where you deliver it, don't scan it in the truck,
1:14:46
don't scan it. The old version, I remember all
1:14:49
the old regulars when we didn't have GPS on the scanners, you
1:14:53
would scan it, you know, as you're driving half a block away
1:14:56
to that box and have it scanned and throw it in the box.
1:14:59
I said don't do that. I said the regular was doing
1:15:02
that, wasn't he? And he's like, yeah, I said
1:15:04
don't do that. I said for this specific reason
1:15:07
is to cover your own ass, and I use this with everybody that I
1:15:12
train when it comes to scanning it where you deliver it.
1:15:15
Two Christmases ago, when I was still in RCA and it was actually
1:15:19
I was covering the route that I have now, I delivered a package
1:15:23
at the door. I scanned it on the front porch
1:15:26
right outside the door and left it there.
1:15:29
The customer called the next day saying they never got the
1:15:32
package. It's we pulled it right up on
1:15:36
the map and showed Pinpoint right there where I scanned it
1:15:39
on the front porch where I left it.
1:15:42
That covers your behind, scan it where you deliver it.
1:15:48
So yeah, that's where you know it's it.
1:15:51
It's all about covering your own behind.
1:15:53
Well, I like the the people that sit there and say, well, I don't
1:15:56
have Pocket put the scanner in when I take a big package up
1:15:59
there. Scanners, most of them, and if
1:16:01
they don't, most of them do have a little stretchy pad in the
1:16:06
back so that you can put your hand through there and grasp if
1:16:10
you have a large package that so it there are shoulder holsters
1:16:13
that people make out there specifically for our scan.
1:16:17
There are, there's belt holsters that everybody I think should
1:16:21
have gotten one when the scanners came out.
1:16:23
I personally don't use it because it's I don't have
1:16:27
usually it. I don't care for them, but no,
1:16:30
Yeah, I will put my I will flip that scanner to where the
1:16:33
scanners on the back of my hand. And so then I have the whole,
1:16:37
the the stretchy thing there, so that's where I can pick it up
1:16:42
and carry it. Unless it's, you know, a couple
1:16:45
bigger boxes. Sometimes I set the scanner
1:16:46
right on top of the box and carry it up that way too, if I
1:16:49
know it's not going to fall off. In the winter time I wear
1:16:52
hoodies, so I will put the scanner in my hoodie pocket.
1:16:55
But in the summertime, I usually have no pockets depending on
1:16:58
what I'm wearing that day. And so yeah, it, you know, there
1:17:02
is ways of doing that, but yes, scan it where you drop it
1:17:06
because that's going to for more importantly that's your time for
1:17:09
where you deliver that package and how it's accounted for time
1:17:12
wise for your evaluation. And then those parts are that
1:17:16
straight line measurement between your park point and your
1:17:19
delivery point when you do your mapping.
1:17:21
But also it covers your behind. It really, really does.
1:17:27
And I, you know, I say that first hand because I've
1:17:29
experienced that and I do. I use that in all my training
1:17:32
with all my RCA scan it where you deliver it because it's
1:17:35
going to cover your butt if that customer calls and says I never
1:17:38
got my package. Well, did you look outside your
1:17:41
front door? Did you look on your back porch?
1:17:43
Did you look at your car in front of the garage?
1:17:46
You know that can at least tell them where it was dropped off
1:17:51
the. The the customer in question
1:17:53
said you know isn't a parcel locker and and you know when I
1:17:57
went back to the office I I had the supervisor run the numbers
1:18:01
and it didn't say parcel locker said mailbox.
1:18:04
So I I said the supervisor when you call me can you look at all
1:18:10
the information first before you call me.
1:18:12
I circled back to do that just to find out in the records it's
1:18:17
showing in the mailbox again in App Management.
1:18:21
There's this those little things I mean and when those some
1:18:24
people are looking at their 4241 Ms. and they're seeing out of
1:18:28
route drive and out of route walk.
1:18:33
That is your park point and your delivery points And your that
1:18:37
you set in your DPM that are not on the street next to a mailbox
1:18:43
or on the street is you're driving those out of route
1:18:47
distances and outer out walking is where you park your car,
1:18:52
where you park your vehicle and where you deliver that package,
1:18:57
that distance you walk or that time you walk between the
1:19:00
vehicle and where you drop that package off.
1:19:02
Well, we're at nine O 9 there, young lady, You want to wrap
1:19:05
this up? We can do that, you guys.
1:19:07
You got anything else? Guys, I'm a little long winded
1:19:10
tonight. Sorry.
1:19:11
I know I I've I've got plenty to say but you'd be editing 3 hours
1:19:15
but. No, I think we're pretty much
1:19:20
ready to wrap it up. Now, now we have to look forward
1:19:23
to the the adjustment cuts, yes, and how that's gonna wrap.
1:19:28
That's the next step of our misery.
1:19:32
Yeah, and once we find out how that's going down, I'm sure we
1:19:36
will pass that info on. I don't see any routes in my
1:19:39
office getting cut, so I have no clue.
1:19:43
No, no offices in my route will be cut.
1:19:45
So we're good on that too. I've got at least three in my
1:19:49
office that can be cut, but they're still under the
1:19:52
evaluation, so according to the hearsay, they may not be cut
1:19:58
first. Who knows?
1:20:00
You can't judge what the hell they're going to, what the
1:20:03
criteria is that they're going to be doing the cuts by.
1:20:07
Like some people said, oh, I do a 63 hour route, but I do it
1:20:11
under evaluation. I should be able to work it OK.
1:20:15
I mean. Fine.
1:20:16
You you want to give them six hours free a week?
1:20:20
Fine, you go ahead and do it. Knock yourself out.
1:20:23
But then don't come back and cry when you do get cut and and
1:20:26
you're back to a 43 because you want a Saturday drop day.
1:20:30
A Saturday drop day for me is a $14,000 pay cut.
1:20:34
A Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Wow, that's nice because that's
1:20:37
only an $8000 pay cut for me. And if you know I'm over
1:20:41
burdened, I I can still get done under the evaluated hours.
1:20:45
All right, guys. So we're going to wrap this up
1:20:46
tonight so I can get some editing done and get this out
1:20:49
for everybody. And James, your final comments
1:20:52
for tonight, well. I know that some people got
1:20:54
higher evaluations, but they still haven't returned to what
1:20:58
they were, prereqs. I know some people stayed the
1:21:01
same. I know some people lost, some
1:21:04
people lost more than I did. But we have to go through these
1:21:08
with a fine tooth comb because management's going to screw you
1:21:10
over any which way they can. So you have to find it.
1:21:14
You have to fight for it. And even if right now the
1:21:18
situation is not going our way, there's an opportunity for that
1:21:23
to change. It's coming up.
1:21:25
National leadership is already running scared.
1:21:29
National leadership is already nervous about what we're doing
1:21:33
here on this podcast. They're listening to what we're
1:21:35
saying on here, trying to take ideas from what we say and use
1:21:40
them in their own campaign to keep their positions.
1:21:44
We see it every video that they put out, they talk about the
1:21:48
same things, they use the same words that we use on this
1:21:51
podcast. So we are making a difference.
1:21:54
The craft talking to us that we put through this podcast is
1:21:59
making a difference in national leadership.
1:22:01
A very small one, but it's happening.
1:22:04
So remember, no matter what happens through all of this,
1:22:07
we're all in this together. Bill.
1:22:10
Well, the Segway off of Jane, a snowflake turns into a snowball.
1:22:15
A snowball turns into an avalanche.
1:22:19
What starts small can build, and that's what we're doing.
1:22:22
We're building the avalanche to run over the National Rural
1:22:27
Letter Carriers Association national Board.
1:22:30
Not everybody on there, but the ones who are truly disconnected
1:22:35
from the craft. And only you guys can make that
1:22:37
happen for us, either by being delegates or selecting delegates
1:22:43
to the National Convention who represent your views and your
1:22:46
ideals, your concern. The National Rule Letter
1:22:50
Carriers Association should educate, protect, promote the
1:22:56
craft. It's a service position.
1:22:59
It's not a pad to retirement position, which is what they've
1:23:03
been doing. And if you haven't been out in a
1:23:05
route, if you haven't gone out into the offices, if you you're
1:23:09
so busy checking our podcast that you're not paying attention
1:23:14
what's going on to the rest of the Facebook pages, then you're
1:23:17
totally disconnected from what's going out on in the real world.
1:23:21
And you need to get your heads out of your asses and wake up.
1:23:25
Because one of these days you're going to find out that you have
1:23:29
more non union carriers than union carriers.
1:23:33
And then who's going to pay your $188,000 a year salary?
1:23:37
Everybody bear with the system. Like James says, you know, check
1:23:42
every line, every iota, every zero.
1:23:45
Question everything. Challenge everything.
1:23:47
Dispute everything that you possibly think of.
1:23:49
Do it intelligently. Do it dispassionately.
1:23:53
You have to remember the numbers will speak for themselves.
1:23:56
It's going to be a rough month in April and there's going to be
1:24:01
a lot of tears. And it's just just the way it
1:24:05
is, folks. And and it won't improve until
1:24:08
we change the leadership of National Rural Letter Carriers
1:24:12
Association with that go out and be safe, your job, efficiently,
1:24:17
professionally, do everything you're required to do and then
1:24:22
get your asses home to your loved ones.
1:24:25
Because at the end of the day, you're the most important
1:24:27
delivery. And I mean that.
1:24:30
Thank you guys. Yeah, definitely.
1:24:33
You know I I've is what James pointed out too.
1:24:37
And you know they spend a lot of time monitoring us, listening to
1:24:41
us taking away our ideas and using them as them as their own.
1:24:47
But those that do listen to us every week, just remember where
1:24:50
you heard that first, where you heard those ideas, where you
1:24:53
heard that stuff 1st and I'll just leave it at that.
1:24:58
I'm not going to further go into details on that one but again
1:25:01
guys I I think every single one of you.
1:25:04
I I think to all the audience members that listen to us live,
1:25:08
everybody that listened to us all week, our numbers and
1:25:11
listeners are still growing almost daily.
1:25:14
I have a big shout out and thank you to everybody that that that
1:25:19
does listen, that does appreciate us.
1:25:22
We get people that reach out to us every single day with
1:25:25
questions, concerns, just looking for some advice and what
1:25:29
to do, where to go, how to educate a new carrier or train a
1:25:34
new RCA. There was one thing I was going
1:25:37
to touch on tonight and I do apologize that we didn't get to
1:25:39
that. We'll I'll try and do that again
1:25:41
next week because I, as you all know I really have a a thing
1:25:47
when it comes to educating the new RC as but yeah we're you
1:25:50
know it's small strides but they're going they're getting
1:25:54
there we're we're we're making a difference even if it's just a
1:25:57
little bit at a time. And I do appreciate everybody we
1:26:01
all do you can support us. We do have our merchandise there
1:26:06
are some campaign T-shirts items up on there as well the link for
1:26:12
that's in the show notes across all the platforms.
1:26:14
So that note you guys have a safe week for those that didn't
1:26:18
get their new evaluation Saturday.
1:26:22
I I hope everybody is. I know not everybody's going to
1:26:25
be happy with them come Monday. I understand that.
1:26:28
Double check them if you got disputes, definitely filed those
1:26:31
disputes. Remember each individual dispute
1:26:35
has to have its own form and documentation and we'll I'll get
1:26:39
the files up for y'all. If I don't do it tonight I'll
1:26:43
try and do it with the next day or two and I know guys stay safe
1:26:47
all week. Have a good one and we'll be
1:26:49
back next week. And no, my F bombs are not
1:27:04
alcohol related. Thank you very much.