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Joel Goldberg - An Emmy Winning Broadcaster Shares How To Build Trust At Home · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

0:03
SPEAKER_02: Hi, I'm Riley.
0:04
SPEAKER_01: And I'm Reiner.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is my dad's show.
0:11
SPEAKER_01: Hey everybody, it's KTJ Cox with the quarterback Dadcats.
0:14
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to season 7.
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SPEAKER_01: Can't wait for this season as there's a lot of great guests ahead.
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SPEAKER_01: If you're new to this podcast, really it's simple.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a podcast where we we interview dads, we learn about how they were raised, we learn about the life lessons that were important to them, we learn about the values that are important to them, and really we learn about how we can work hard to become a better quarterback or leader of our home.
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SPEAKER_01: So let's sit back, relax, and listen to today's episode on the quarterback deckcast.
0:43
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to season seven.
0:44
SPEAKER_01: If you're you're new, if you're continued weekly uh listener, thank you again for support, everybody.
0:49
SPEAKER_01: And I know I've said this a lot in season seven because when people refer me guests, it's the best because it means someone has experience.
0:56
SPEAKER_01: And this gentleman comes to us from the one-on-one Stevie Gardy, and his name is Joel Goldberg, but he's an Emmy Award-winning broadcaster for the mighty Kansas City Royals.
1:06
SPEAKER_01: He's a podcast host called Round the Bases.
1:09
SPEAKER_01: He also uh will talk about what small ball means.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh he's a Wisconsin badger, I believe.
1:15
SPEAKER_01: But more importantly, everybody, Joel's a dad.
1:17
SPEAKER_01: He we're gonna talk to Joel about how Joel's working hard to continually be that ultimate quarterback or leader of this household.
1:23
SPEAKER_01: Without further ado, Mr.
1:24
SPEAKER_01: Goldberg, welcome to the quarterback deck.
1:26
SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Casey.
1:27
SPEAKER_02: Good to be with you.
1:28
SPEAKER_02: And I will echo what you said as a podcast host myself and you coming on mine, uh coming up in the future, the best guests.
1:36
SPEAKER_02: Well, not always the best guests, um, but you know you're in a good place when you've been recommended by someone like Steve Garretti.
1:42
SPEAKER_02: So appreciate the uh the connection that he has given to both of us.
1:46
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
1:46
SPEAKER_01: And if you don't know who Steve Garretti, everybody, Google him and go read his book, Great Fruit.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: It's a fantastic story of overcoming cancer and how that journey of life impacted him.
1:55
SPEAKER_01: And he's just an overall good dude, too, with a great haircut that looks like mine.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: Um all right, Joel.
2:00
SPEAKER_01: We always start out each episode with gratitude.
2:02
SPEAKER_01: So tell me, what are you most grateful for today as a dad?
2:05
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, I'm I'm grateful to have had two kids that that, of course, they're they're great kids.
2:13
SPEAKER_02: I hope all of our kids are are great kids, but two kids that have gone through the adversity like so many others, and and life is life is difficult.
2:21
SPEAKER_02: I guess it always has been.
2:22
SPEAKER_02: Feels like it's more difficult now than ever in this day and age of social media and instant gratitude and uh gratification.
2:30
SPEAKER_02: And I'm I'm grateful to see the the progress they're making and the understanding they're making in life and and and grateful that that along the way maybe they listened to my wife and I a little bit or that we modeled some of what they're doing right now.
2:43
SPEAKER_02: And that's you know, I I try to think about that a little bit every single day because it it truly is what we're here for.
2:49
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: Love it, man.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: Great, great thing to be grateful for.
2:52
SPEAKER_01: Say what I'm most grateful for.
2:54
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go a little random.
2:55
SPEAKER_01: Um I'm grateful for an awesome night I had last night.
2:59
SPEAKER_01: So yesterday, everybody, your host here shot the round of his life yesterday in the summer, this summer.
3:05
SPEAKER_01: I shot 69 in the golf course.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: Miracles happened.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure how.
3:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think I'm still blacked out from it.
3:10
SPEAKER_01: And I was gonna come home to have my wife was gonna make chicken Caesar wraps, a little grilled, they're so good.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: My daughter taught us how to make these things.
3:18
SPEAKER_01: And I said, we're gonna call an Audible.
3:20
SPEAKER_01: And me and my buddy shout out to Warren King.
3:22
SPEAKER_01: Warren, we're like, we're going to the frickin' bar, we're gonna get some pots.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: Now we're gonna and he wanted to get a burger, and then we went and played pull tabs and had the time of our life.
3:33
SPEAKER_01: We were laughing, we got on a heater, and I haven't played pull tabs since like 1981, it seems like, and I'm just grateful that my wife said, Go have fun, give go great time.
3:42
SPEAKER_01: And we were laughing and uh just freaking had an absolute blast.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: So I'm grateful for my wife supporting that that night last night.
3:50
SPEAKER_01: We had a really, really good time.
3:52
SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
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SPEAKER_02: I love it.
3:54
SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: There there is something to be grateful for every day if you're paying attention to it.
4:01
SPEAKER_02: And sometimes it's just that.
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SPEAKER_02: And maybe the grat I don't I don't know why I'm analyzing you, Casey, but maybe the gratitude is having an amazing wife that says go and celebrate.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: It was fun.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, all right, man.
4:14
SPEAKER_01: We'll bring me inside uh the Goldberg huddle.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: I'd love to learn how you and your wife met and then talk a little bit about each uh each member of the squad being your kid.
4:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, uh that that's awesome.
4:23
SPEAKER_02: What a great place to start.
4:25
SPEAKER_02: And I I guess um I'll I'll go back.
4:28
SPEAKER_02: My wife and I have been married now for 27 years.
4:34
SPEAKER_02: Started dating a little over 30 years ago.
4:38
SPEAKER_02: That was not the first crack at it back when I was a sophomore in college up at Wisconsin.
4:45
SPEAKER_02: You alluded to the Badgers.
4:47
SPEAKER_02: Back then we had a good football team.
4:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh no, we had an emerging football team.
4:51
SPEAKER_02: They weren't very good yet, and then they were great, and now they're not anymore.
4:54
SPEAKER_03: But that's another story.
4:56
SPEAKER_02: Uh I was back home from school, got set up on a blind date with my wife, who was just graduating high school, we're two years apart, and we went out on a blind date, and it just didn't go great.
5:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh nothing awful, just didn't click.
5:14
SPEAKER_02: Um I probably could have been more interested.
5:16
SPEAKER_02: I I probably was more interested in her than she was me.
5:19
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, um, didn't work, you know, different places.
5:22
SPEAKER_02: She was getting ready to go off to college.
5:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh, she went to a non-football school, Indiana.
5:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh, that's not the case anymore.
5:28
SPEAKER_02: Never thought I'd be saying that one either.
5:30
SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, that that was the end of that.
5:33
SPEAKER_02: And then we randomly bumped into each other at a bar three and a half years later.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: I was actually back in town for my first television job in northern Wisconsin visiting family, was out with some friends, bumped into her.
5:44
SPEAKER_02: We hit it off, and that was December of 1995, and we've been together ever since.
5:51
SPEAKER_02: So that's uh that's she and I.
5:53
SPEAKER_02: We got married in 1999, had our first kid, uh, son in 2003, our second uh and final in 2005, a daughter named Ellie.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: And I think I always thought we'd have three.
6:08
SPEAKER_02: I think she thought we'd have three.
6:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I came from a house of two, she came from a house of three.
6:12
SPEAKER_02: I thought it'd be cool to have a little bit of a bigger family.
6:14
SPEAKER_02: And at some point, after child number two, both kids were fairly easy too.
6:19
SPEAKER_02: She said something along the lines of, and at this point we lived in St.
6:23
SPEAKER_02: Louis, my previous job.
6:24
SPEAKER_02: She said something like, You plan on keep traveling and doing this TV thing?
6:29
SPEAKER_02: She knew the answer.
6:30
SPEAKER_02: And I said, Well, yeah.
6:31
SPEAKER_02: And she said, and we're done at two.
6:33
SPEAKER_02: And that was the end of it.
6:34
SPEAKER_02: She didn't want to be a single mom for six months of the year, which she so often has been.
6:39
SPEAKER_02: But I think I'll just wrap it up uh in terms of those basics, Casey, and say that, you know, all these years later, 23 years after our oldest Mason was born, and I'm still in TV, we're still together.
6:52
SPEAKER_02: And I think as a unit of core, plus dogs, we've figured out how to make it work, you know, and it's this is our normal.
7:00
SPEAKER_02: It's chaos, it's crazy, it's not very typical of what most families deal with in terms of the hours and and the odd hours and the travel and the 67 days a week.
7:09
SPEAKER_02: But I don't really think that we know any other way.
7:12
SPEAKER_01: Very cool.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: Love it.
7:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, we have we have something in common.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: I've been married 27 years as well, my man.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: February 20th, 1999.
7:20
SPEAKER_02: All right.
7:21
SPEAKER_02: You beat us by almost to the well to the day.
7:24
SPEAKER_02: You beat us by the my math isn't good.
7:28
SPEAKER_02: Johnson, I guess.
7:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh, four months.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: You beat us by four months.
7:30
SPEAKER_02: We were June 20th.
7:31
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
7:32
SPEAKER_01: Well, congrats on that.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: Um we have two two two kids as two kids as well.
7:37
SPEAKER_01: Um uh bring me back to what was life like growing up for you.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: I'd love to learn uh about what what that was like and the impact mom and dad had on you from a values perspective.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: Incredible impact.
7:49
SPEAKER_02: It's interesting too.
7:50
SPEAKER_02: Like neither of my parents were athletes, which might explain why I wasn't a very good one either.
7:54
SPEAKER_02: I don't mean to throw them under the bus and sell them out.
7:58
SPEAKER_02: They were um they were both better in music.
8:01
SPEAKER_02: Um, and and my mom was actually a music major and a music teacher um before she stopped and eventually went back to school and went into another industry.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: My dad was in advertising for uh a corporate world, uh big chemical company.
8:16
SPEAKER_02: And um I I bring all that up just because two things.
8:20
SPEAKER_02: One going into TV, I love sports.
8:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh my brother and I, I've I've got a younger brother, he's 19 months younger than me, more up in your neck of the woods.
8:30
SPEAKER_02: He's in in Portland, um gets up to Seattle a lot too.
8:35
SPEAKER_02: But um, you know, we loved sports.
8:37
SPEAKER_02: We played it, we were both very average at best.
8:40
SPEAKER_02: We were never gonna go anywhere with it, but I always loved to talk.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: I always wanted to be on TV from as early as I can remember.
8:46
SPEAKER_02: And so I bring that part up because there was no background with that in my family.
8:50
SPEAKER_02: I mean, my parents didn't really play sports growing up.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, I think both were probably in the marching band and and and both worked really hard.
8:59
SPEAKER_02: But the reason why I think all that is important is while I did find my own path, and my brother went into education um and found his own path, we we saw the hard work.
9:12
SPEAKER_02: A very uh kind of normal middle class family.
9:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you come to learn later in life that everybody has their problems, but I always felt like for the most part we were we were okay.
9:23
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, never had all the money in the world, nothing close to it, had enough to do what we needed to do.
9:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh, whatever stresses and struggles they had, they they kind of kept from us.
9:32
SPEAKER_02: But more than anything, I remember, and you can relate to this too, because it is a prerequisite of any Gen Xer to complain about being a latchkey kid.
9:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, as a matter of fact, I I featured my mom in my second book.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: And when I interviewed her, she said, Are you going to complain about being a latchkey kid?
9:48
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, of course I will.
9:50
SPEAKER_02: But really, no complaints, you know, like we we woke up and they were gone to work and we came home and they were still at work and we learned how to be very independent with that and not burn the house down.
9:59
SPEAKER_02: But I I my biggest memory of them, because my mom went back to junior college and then took a complete right turn and became a, at the time what was called a computer programmer, I guess you'd call it a coder now, and and then climbed the ranks of corporate um and eventually into leadership uh based on that world.
10:18
SPEAKER_02: But I just remember that they they were gone every single day, Monday through Friday, and and always worked hard, always worked hard.
10:26
SPEAKER_02: And actually, my mom, you know, towards the end of my high school years, was really more locked in to work.
10:33
SPEAKER_02: And my dad had some more leeway at that point.
10:35
SPEAKER_02: She was traveling all over the world and and and he had more flexibility.
10:38
SPEAKER_02: And I can remember playing high school soccer, and you know, oftentimes he was the one that came because they felt like somebody had to be there and she couldn't get away.
10:46
SPEAKER_02: So I always knew that that support was there.
10:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I don't think she'll be listening to this, but if for some reason she is, I would say that is not me complaining that she wasn't there.
10:54
SPEAKER_02: It was really just admiration for the fact that they they did their best to get there.
10:58
SPEAKER_02: But what I always saw from them was hard work, one, uh maybe not in this order, but but equal, uh, hard work and treating people the right way.
11:07
SPEAKER_02: And that's something that I I hope I've never really feared too far from.
11:12
SPEAKER_02: And I'm now seeing the same thing with my kids.
11:15
SPEAKER_01: Very cool.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, hard work, obviously, that's such an important thing, and I think it's more seen than than uh talked about.
11:24
SPEAKER_01: That's how kids they see it.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: You gotta we've got to all put on the grind.
11:27
SPEAKER_01: In terms of treating people the right way, do is there a story that comes to mind on where you learn that?
11:33
SPEAKER_02: Um I think that that for the most part they modeled it.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: And and you know, and I would when I look at the way my kids are right now, my youngest Ellie, is is in college up in Chicago, and um, and my oldest Mason just graduated from the University of Kansas, and and he's now on our television broadcast team.
11:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, not on my side of it, he's on the production end, and and he's you know in the entry-level uh world of things.
12:00
SPEAKER_02: And and in that world, in in TV and production, you you could start in a market the size of a Kansas City or Seattle.
12:07
SPEAKER_02: In front of the camera, I can't start working for the Mariners or the Royals.
12:11
SPEAKER_02: I had to climb the ranks, and and that's what I wanted to do.
12:14
SPEAKER_02: Mason never expressed an interest in in doing that.
12:16
SPEAKER_02: I didn't even know he'd be interested in TV, but you know, he tagged along with me so much.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, by the time he's in high school and college, he knows all the ushers' names at the stadium.
12:26
SPEAKER_02: He can sneak his way into this suite and that.
12:28
SPEAKER_02: And I had nothing to do with it.
12:29
SPEAKER_02: He just he knew everybody, he was beating everybody, he was watching the way things work.
12:34
SPEAKER_02: And you know this, Casey.
12:35
SPEAKER_02: He knew how to interact with the athletes, or more importantly, when not to interact with the athletes.
12:40
SPEAKER_02: So when this opportunity came up for him, I mean, there are days where I could be working with him and I don't even see him.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: But everywhere I go, and this is the reason why I'm bringing this up, everywhere I go, I have ushers and stadium workers saying to me, I didn't know that was your kid, or eventually, well, your kid's unbelievable.
12:56
SPEAKER_02: He is so polite.
12:57
SPEAKER_02: And then when I'm walking around the stadium and he does happen to be with him, like, he knows some people's names that I don't know.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: Like, hey, welcome back, good to see you back.
13:07
SPEAKER_02: How are you doing?
13:07
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, I never told him to do that.
13:10
SPEAKER_02: And so so much of what my parents did, they just modeled.
13:14
SPEAKER_02: It wasn't a lot of sit-down lectures, it was just, you know, go and do this.
13:18
SPEAKER_02: And they they always had, and I do remember my mom talking to me and reminding me about this when I was uh writing about her in the book, and I'd had her on my podcast, really with the premise of my second book, Small Ball Big Dreams.
13:32
SPEAKER_02: The premise is that she was told, and I'm getting off track here a little bit, but she was told as um, you know, as a young woman in the in the I hope I'm not dating her, but in the you know, late 50s, early 60s, really, that uh women graduating from college either go to become teachers or nurses.
13:52
SPEAKER_02: And it was funny when I told that story to Susan Waldman, who is the longtime radio announcer of the New York Yankees and a pioneer in the industry, um, and one that that all women either look up to, or if they're younger, whoever they're looking up to looked up to Susan.
14:07
SPEAKER_02: And when I told Susan that story, I also wrote about her in my book.
14:11
SPEAKER_02: I said, My mom was told, you know, in the early 60s that women, and she cut me off, she goes, had to be teachers or nurses.
14:18
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: And so my mom ended up eventually finding her own path.
14:24
SPEAKER_02: But I remember her saying something along the lines of my grandfather, her father would always say, you know, give everybody the benefit of the doubt, treat everybody the same way.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: You know, uh everybody deserves to be treated well unless they give you reason otherwise.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: And so I always understood that.
14:38
SPEAKER_02: And um, that's just kind of followed me everywhere, which has made me I think more interested in people, more open-minded people.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: And I I really truly believe that like I look, if you're if you're Bob Costas, if you're filling the blank, whoever the biggest name broadcasters are out there, the big, you know, big time national guys, the the Al Michaels from when we were growing up, those are outliers, right?
15:05
SPEAKER_02: Those are in sports terms, though those are the Patrick Mahomes, those are the LeBron James, though the the Michael Jordans, they're not the everyday.
15:16
SPEAKER_02: But for the rest of us and whatever we're doing, and I know there's a shelf life on a quarterback or an athlete, but for everybody else, I I really believe the key to longevity, and I've been in TV 32 years now, is hard work and how you treat people.
15:29
SPEAKER_02: Um and and yes, you have to have talent, but you don't have to be the greatest of all time.
15:35
SPEAKER_02: Certainly can't be the worst.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a subjective business, but I do believe that if you treat people the right way, you're where you're supposed to be, when you're supposed to be there, uh, and you give people the benefit of the doubt, and you work hard that you'll be successful in some form or another.
15:51
SPEAKER_02: And I I don't know that anybody I don't know that I knew that that was the secret to television, and there are plenty of them, but I think it is a little bit of a secret to being successful.
16:00
SPEAKER_03: You know what I love about that?
16:01
SPEAKER_03: You don't need AI to treat people well.
16:05
SPEAKER_03: No.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: You don't need AI to be nice.
16:08
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah.
16:09
SPEAKER_01: And uh I love that like sometimes as we slow down to talk about these things, um and just rein things we can reinforce as dads or kids, whether you're going through adversity or um you never you never know who that next relationship's gonna be.
16:24
SPEAKER_01: And it's a lot easier to be nice.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: Um I think I love the fact they taught you to give people the benefit of the doubt because in in the work I do as a I do coaching for sales and leadership teams and I you know working on on cultures and so I say, How often do people, when they wake up, they're like, Man, I can't wait to be a biggest a-hole and I want to ruin this guy's day?
16:42
SPEAKER_01: Like people aren't thinking that way.
16:43
SPEAKER_01: And but yet sometimes how we respond, or when your kid messes up, it's like they didn't do it on purpose.
16:49
SPEAKER_01: And so it's amazing when you slow down a little bit, ask some questions, try to understand what their thought process was, how they get there, then you maybe have a little bit more grace for people.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you know, a like I you you're speaking about something right now that that has become a pretty big piece to my speaking business, which I do a lot of keynoting around the country, and I I speak about trust culture relationships, but really how to build those stronger relationships in the trust.
17:16
SPEAKER_02: And it dawned on me in the last year that matters more than ever before because we can't turn our backs on AI.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: I love AI, I love ChatGPT and Claude, and I'm using it to help me build stronger systems and hold myself more accountable.
17:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh, there are things that I'll never be disciplined enough to do on a regular basis or things I don't want to do that it can give me help with or help me remember uh those types of things.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: But in the end, I've got to be the good guy.
17:43
SPEAKER_02: And and by the way, I don't even know that being the good guy is the right way to put it.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: Like you don't have to sit there, not everything out of your mouth has to be the nicest thing ever, or but but but I think there's a difference between nice and respectful.
17:56
SPEAKER_02: There's a difference between authentic and faking it.
18:00
SPEAKER_02: And and I don't think AI can teach you that.
18:02
SPEAKER_02: It can hold you accountable, you know.
18:04
SPEAKER_02: Hey, I learned this from Casey, I learned this from this book.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: Uh, you know, help help me help me in remembering the advice that I got here.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: Help me when I'm going through something to remind me of this, that type of stuff.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: But but then you gotta go out there and you gotta do it.
18:21
SPEAKER_03: Did your parents instill the the power of belief in you to to dream big?
18:27
SPEAKER_03: I think so.
18:28
SPEAKER_03: I I mean it it's a good question.
18:29
SPEAKER_03: I don't remember other than to say this.
18:34
SPEAKER_03: I don't remember them ever discouraging which I think is essentially the same thing.
18:41
SPEAKER_03: Right?
18:41
SPEAKER_03: I mean I I don't know.
18:43
SPEAKER_03: I I don't in one sense I'm an outlier because I've been in TV for 32 years.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: And when I think back to when I started in 1994, I don't think I had a goal of how long I would stay in.
18:58
SPEAKER_02: I had a goal of making it back to Chicago where I went to high school or back to Philadelphia where I'd grown up until I was 13 because I loved those cities, or to Sports Center.
19:09
SPEAKER_02: But I never thought I want to be in it for I just wanted to get to the next place.
19:15
SPEAKER_02: And and I think that you know my my parents knew that it was an impossible field to get into.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: I think they knew that.
19:24
SPEAKER_02: Um I'll have to ask them.
19:25
SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm lucky enough that they're still with us, but I just don't ever remember them saying you can't do this.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: Now I remember you know, some conversations about if you don't do this, you're going to be this, meaning better get your grades up or better that type of stuff.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: But I don't remember them ever discouraging me.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: And and that's something I do think about a lot too, is because I get asked all the time, young aspiring broadcasters, and I I always want to be real with them that the odds are stacked against you, but I will never tell anyone not to try it because I'm I'm a living example that it could work and it could work for a whole career for for a lifetime's worth of career.
20:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I just always remember that whatever I did do, they always encouraged me at it.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: So powerful.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: I I I've gave love to one of my buddies.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: Shout out to Stevie Nadell.
20:16
SPEAKER_01: My uh my son's best buddy is named Riley.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: And when when Riley was young, his uh he said I he when he he said, What do you want to do when you grow up, Riley?
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Well I'm gonna I'm gonna play in the MLB, um I'm gonna play in the NHL, and then and when I get gaps, we're probably gonna play on a couple of PJ Tour events.
20:35
SPEAKER_01: And I mean exactly when most people would giggle, they never once they're like, Why wouldn't you do that?
20:40
SPEAKER_01: No, go for it.
20:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think just the power of belief is such an undervalued thing that people can do in corporate America, you can do it as if you're a leader, as a parent, and um too often, I mean I've I don't know if you've seen this duel, but I see is we, you know, parents you get attached to what your kid's doing.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: Maybe maybe on accident you live vicariously through them, or you want them to do something that you want them to do.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: But I think like the opposite is it's like how about instill belief and help unlock what they want to do and help them find what they want to do, and then just support the hell out of them.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and to to those dreams of being what would have been a three-sport uh athlete, like the next Dave Winfield or something like that, I guess.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we see some two sporters, we don't see some three sporters, but you know, I I would say to to him or her or anyone, like, go for it.
21:29
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, but also like I say this with TV all the time, too.
21:34
SPEAKER_02: Do everything because it you'll acquire skills along the way.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: And and I wouldn't even frame it as well, if those dreams don't work out, then at least you'll have this.
21:46
SPEAKER_02: I would just say the more you learn and the more experience you get, the more reps you get at anything and everything in life makes you better, whether it's through the failure, whether it's the lesson of learning that maybe this isn't for me or whatever spot.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: From it, right?
22:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, like I, you know, I have all the TV.
22:04
SPEAKER_02: It's exceeded my dreams in ways I could have never imagined because the best parts have been things that I never knew existed, the impact you have on people's lives, things like that.
22:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, well beyond any games that you go to.
22:17
SPEAKER_02: And some of my favorite moments have nothing to do with the results of the game.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: But along the way, um, I don't know if I'd say accidentally, but unexpectedly, the speaking business starts, and then the podcast starts, and then the connections, and you know, I'll say meeting a guy like you, meeting a guy like Steve, meeting you know, people that I don't even know all that well yet, none of that happens without this.
22:38
SPEAKER_02: And so there's so many unintended consequences, or maybe if we're gonna be deep here, um, maybe they were meant to be.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
22:45
SPEAKER_02: But I think that's my point.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: And like so, when I tell young broadcasters, yeah, hey, what do you want to be?
22:50
SPEAKER_02: Well, I want to do play by play for so-and-so team.
22:53
SPEAKER_02: Okay, great.
22:54
SPEAKER_02: But leave yourself open to do play by play for any team.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: And while you're at it, don't just focus on baseball.
23:00
SPEAKER_02: You know what?
23:01
SPEAKER_02: If you get a chance to do play by play for swimming or for volleyball or for wrestling or gymnastics, or it happens to be something that maybe gets more attention, like basketball or football, great.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: But every time you do it, it gets you closer to being either much better at it or understanding that maybe this isn't for me.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: And when people, and I think this is true of life, when people ask me a question, hey, do you get nervous when you go on the air?
23:28
SPEAKER_02: And the response I'll usually give them is do you get nervous when you go to your office?
23:32
SPEAKER_02: But if you were to go back to a young Joel, I was nervous every single time.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: But because I've done the reps over and over and over again, I'm not nervous.
23:41
SPEAKER_02: And more significantly, it's I I understand that there's more to it.
23:46
SPEAKER_02: I understand the greater impact.
23:48
SPEAKER_02: I understand that it's not live and die with every single moment.
23:51
SPEAKER_02: Probably the sweet spot.
23:52
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you go back to your quarterbacking days, Casey, and you know, when you're sitting there running through every single play of the playbook over and over again and you're trying to slow it down and you can't, it's really stressful, hard to be productive.
24:03
SPEAKER_02: But when you slow it down, you see everything, right?
24:06
SPEAKER_02: You see everything.
24:07
SPEAKER_02: And so I like to use that a little bit as a metaphor for life, too.
24:10
SPEAKER_02: When you're able to slow things down, you can see this is for me, this isn't for me, this is what I learned, this is what I need help with.
24:17
SPEAKER_02: And that's I think all that's so good.
24:20
SPEAKER_01: Have you ever um I don't know if you've thought about this, but I'm curious if have you found any parallels in the work you do as an announcer or that you've seen with professional sports that relate to fatherhood?
24:31
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I think um first off, I I I I think there are the parallels to everything in life with what I do and and I don't think that's just a TV thing.
24:43
SPEAKER_02: I think that hopefully we get to a certain point in life where we just start looking for deeper meaning in it.
24:48
SPEAKER_02: Um I think that the to me, the greatest lesson um that we can learn from TV and baseball, say for that matter as well.
24:56
SPEAKER_02: So much of my TV experience is is baseball, not all of it, but um is that you know the moment ends, you gotta move on to the next one.
25:04
SPEAKER_02: And and it it can involve a lot of failure.
25:08
SPEAKER_02: Perfection is really hard to find.
25:11
SPEAKER_02: And I think all of that certainly from parents, look, I I wish that I could go back and do a lot differently.
25:18
SPEAKER_02: Try to do it differently now.
25:20
SPEAKER_02: Uh you know, and and um I I think I think we were good parents, I think we are good parents.
25:26
SPEAKER_02: Um I don't want to live in the I wish I had done this.
25:29
SPEAKER_02: If I'd done this, this would have been better or that would have been better, because I think we'll probably be doing that in some form or another for the rest of our lives.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: Um, but when you you find that again, that sweet spot of instead of saying, I wish I had done this, you say, Oh, I just realized that I could be doing this better.
25:46
SPEAKER_02: So next time let's do this instead of all of that regret.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: But I just think there's so much in TV that um certainly for my kids, um, at least the way I go about things, um, I hope is beneficial.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: Be who you are, be who you say you are.
26:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh, just because you're in front of a certain group of people, uh, or in this case, just because I'm in front of a camera and there it look as authentic as I hope that I am and try to be.
26:13
SPEAKER_02: And by the way, I think if you don't have to try very hard if you're being authentic, it's just who you are, right?
26:18
SPEAKER_02: But uh it is performative.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: TV is going to be performative.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: The greatest compliment I believe that I could get in this very subjective world is when people will meet me and say, Hey, you're actually the same guy in person as you are on TV.
26:32
SPEAKER_02: And that's something that I like my kids to know.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: Like be the same.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, don't change, don't be fake, just be real.
26:39
SPEAKER_02: People, people understand authentic and real, and you can't fake that.
26:43
SPEAKER_02: So I think that's probably one of the biggest lessons from TV is that it and maybe look, maybe this is different if you're in a big market like New York or LA where it's very transactional, and if the ratings aren't there, you're out.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm lucky enough to have spent most of my career in the Midwest and in medium-sized projects like Kansas City for 19 years now, and St.
27:01
SPEAKER_02: Louis for almost 10 before that, where yeah, you're sure you need to have some good ratings, but they they really believe in just being yourself and and being an everyday guy.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: And so I I think and hope that my kids have seen that and understood that you don't have to be something.
27:18
SPEAKER_01: No, I think it's really, really good advice.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: You you made me think of a story um like four years ago I was speaking, uh, and one of the slides I talk about um is uh the one some of the worst advice you can get in life, personal opinion, not saying right everybody, is when people say fake it till you make it.
27:35
SPEAKER_01: I absolutely hate that advice.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: Because it teaches you to be someone you're not.
27:39
SPEAKER_01: And so I'm um right before I'm going on, this vice president of Marking on his slide says, You gotta fake it till you make it.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, uh oh.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: Because I have a slide 35 minutes from then that says, Don't fake it till you make it.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Oh am I gonna get away?
27:55
SPEAKER_01: And and the CEO was very, he's like, hey, here's the script, and you do what you gotta do, but like I want you to make sure you hit this, this, and this.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, screw it.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: I'm going off script.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: And I said, Hey, you know, they introduced me, I come up, I go, hey, before we get started, everybody, um, has anybody seen the movie uh Old School?
28:11
SPEAKER_01: Um and everyone's like, and the CEO's like, I look, I kind of look down, he's like, and I go, there's a I I go, I just want to um, there's a that scene with Vince Vaughn when he says earmuffs, and everyone's like, oh, it kind of like breaks the ice a little bit.
28:23
SPEAKER_01: I go, I want everybody to just put put your hands over your ears real quick and go earmuffs.
28:27
SPEAKER_01: And so they like 300 people in the room got earmuffs on.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: And I go, except for the vice president of the marketing in the back, he and I are gonna have a quick little chat.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: I go, I just want to apologize to you that uh I and I hope you're not mad at me, but I'm gonna try to convince your team to do the exact opposite you just told them to do.
28:42
SPEAKER_01: And everyone kind of giggled a little bit.
28:44
SPEAKER_01: And so then I went on and did my thing.
28:46
SPEAKER_01: And because I think it when you're not, and you and we don't let our kids be who they are supposed to be, they're never gonna be themselves.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: And then you're gonna be living this mindset of fear, of anxiety, of stress.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: Anyway, the the vice president marketing at the end, he comes back when he comes up after me, he's like, A, great job.
29:04
SPEAKER_01: B, I can't believe you had the balls to do that.
29:06
SPEAKER_01: I go, I had no choice.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: You know, what am I gonna do?
29:09
SPEAKER_01: And if I and if I don't do that, now I'm I'm doing the exact opposite of what I'm trying to teach the team to do.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: But I told when I told my kids that earlier, like, were you scared, Dad?
29:16
SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, that's scared.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: I was a little nervous for sure because I was going off script and rolling the dice.
29:21
SPEAKER_01: But again, I I bet on being myself.
29:24
SPEAKER_02: Well, and and that's where I was just about to go with that too, is I I don't think that any of us are capable of fully being ourselves if we're not willing to go off script when the simplest way for me to put it, because nothing in life ever goes exactly the script.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, I I see I'm not a script guy, by the way, either.
29:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I'm a bullet point guy, and I don't want to call it shooting from the hip because I'm generally not reckless.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: I I just I feel like if I'm too scripted, um, I'm not able to fully be myself.
30:01
SPEAKER_02: It's hard to script yourself.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's part of the problems we have with AI right now, right?
30:06
SPEAKER_02: And we're trying to capture our authentic voices.
30:08
SPEAKER_02: I think I'm getting a lot closer to doing that with a lot of the prompts and things that I'm doing, which hopefully enable me to be better at what I'm doing.
30:14
SPEAKER_02: But I I still have to be be myself.
30:17
SPEAKER_02: And so if I'm not held to a script, it may not be as perfect as some other things, but it's gonna be more authentic.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: And I think the greater point, well, let's just I I know I don't have to with you, but let's let's take it in football.
30:31
SPEAKER_02: How they usually script what the first how many plays, 20 plays or what?
30:36
SPEAKER_02: 20 plays, yeah.
30:37
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna get the first 20 scripted.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: Well, what if things don't go as exactly planned?
30:41
SPEAKER_02: Do you stick with it or do you call an audible, right?
30:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, like that's just that's part of it.
30:44
SPEAKER_02: And so I you called it audible that day.
30:47
SPEAKER_02: And and I think from what I hear, everybody understood that it it was an audible that came from an authentic place.
30:53
SPEAKER_02: It was not coming from a place of wanting to embarrass him or or or any conflict.
30:58
SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
31:00
SPEAKER_02: Both things can be true too.
31:01
SPEAKER_02: What I was thinking as you said that is that there are elements of faking it till you make it in your own head of saying, uh, maybe I haven't arrived yet, but I'm never gonna get there unless I take a chance.
31:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I think that there's a better way to say it.
31:16
SPEAKER_02: But the flip side of it is there are a lot of people that have tried to fake it till they make it their whole lives.
31:21
SPEAKER_02: And uh you can put your con artists in there and you could put your people that don't belong, and and eventually, it eventually it it I think it stuffs its way out and it doesn't stay there.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: But um, you know, so I guess what I would say, even you know, to your friend's kid, that tried the three things, like, yeah, fake it till you make it's not the right, but take your chances, and even if you don't you don't have to know it all, because as us older guys now understand, we're never going to know it all anyway.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: 100%.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: Stay curious, that's one of my favorite things.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: Obsess with curiosity.
31:53
SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm John Lavager, Vice President of Learning Solutions at TTA.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: At TTA, learning and growth are at the center of what we do.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: We believe strongly in having a growth mindset, and that applies to our own team just as much as it does to the organizations we support.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: That's one of the reasons we brought in Casey to coach our sales team.
32:11
SPEAKER_00: We already had a senior, experienced group.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: We weren't looking for sales 101.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: We wanted someone who could challenge our thinking and help an already capable team get to the next level.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: Casey did exactly that.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: The biggest shift was around curiosity.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: He challenged us to spend less time thinking about what we wanted to say next, and more time asking better questions, listening closely, and understanding what was really happening inside our clients' organizations.
32:37
SPEAKER_00: That changed the quality of our conversations.
32:39
SPEAKER_00: We began uncovering deeper needs, better understanding the business drivers behind them, and becoming even more consultative in how we work with clients.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: What I appreciated about Casey was he didn't try to turn experienced salespeople into different salespeople.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: He helped us refine what we were already doing well and identify where we could get better.
32:58
SPEAKER_00: That experience also reflects what TTA does for our clients every day.
33:02
SPEAKER_00: For more than 30 years, TTA has connected organizations with expert learning professionals across sales, leadership, technology, instructional design, learning strategy, coaching, and training delivery.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: Whether you need one specialized expert, a project team, or support for a large-scale learning initiative, we help you find the right expertise for the challenge.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: Casey was the right expert for us, and he helped a strong team get better.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: That's what growth looks like, and it's what we help our clients create every day.
33:34
SPEAKER_00: Now, let's get back to the episode.
33:36
SPEAKER_01: If as you as you reflect on like all the years of travel and you know being on what what what's been the hardest part of like fatherhood where you you come home from a trip and you gotta still be present?
33:48
SPEAKER_01: Like what's been the hardest, hardest part of that for you?
33:50
SPEAKER_02: Probably not having been as present as I should have been.
33:58
SPEAKER_02: Now, I would argue that for the other six months here I was always very um, you know, just missing a lot.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: I think that was the hardest part.
34:05
SPEAKER_02: And and understanding that you know, I was lucky because my daughter was in theater, so that was year-round, and my son was first and foremost in hockey, which was a winter sport.
34:18
SPEAKER_02: So I wasn't, you know, he played some baseball and then gave that up before high school.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: So I I didn't miss a lot of that.
34:24
SPEAKER_02: But I I think I think it was just figuring out.
34:28
SPEAKER_02: I mean, early on, I could still remember and and look back at it with um so many fond memories of waking up after getting to bed at one in the morning and getting up, you know, at seven or whatever it was, or maybe two in the morning, you know, not a lot of sleep, and and always making sure that when I was home that I was taking the kids, you know, through the carpool line.
34:50
SPEAKER_02: Um and no that might be when they were young enough before they were up late.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: That might have been the only 10 minutes a day that I got with them.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: Because by the time I got home, they were sleeping.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, eventually, as you know, we reached the point where I was not the last one to go to bed in the house.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: That's when you say, all right, um, suddenly you become uh you know the first to get up.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: And uh from for me with with baseball, never the last never the first to go to bed.
35:17
SPEAKER_02: But um, but now there's a pretty good chance that uh our son that's working, you know, in TV and he's living with us here at home, he's gonna be up later.
35:25
SPEAKER_02: So we'll get to spend a little bit of time.
35:27
SPEAKER_02: But I I think that's you know the biggest regret is maybe not having been as present as I should have been and understanding over time how to be better.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:35
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I and you don't have to be in baseball and there's there's to get everybody or even TV, but there's probably dads lesson who travel a ton.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: And um, how did you go about just giving yourself grace to to like that's kind of what you're what you're doing?
35:47
SPEAKER_01: Because maybe there's dads that feel anxious and feel bad, but like I think sometimes grace is such an undervalued and important thing to do.
35:54
SPEAKER_02: An another thing that I think I've probably been able to improve on in recent years, and and I don't think that was because we became empty nesters or anything like that.
36:03
SPEAKER_02: I think I just hit a point in life where where I was looking for deeper meaning and more spirituality and and and finding a greater purpose and and um and and so I've really enjoyed that, you know, more meditation, more deeper thought, and and and I don't know that I always did give myself grace.
36:20
SPEAKER_02: I I I don't I I don't know that I did.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: Um, and now I I just recognize it more.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we all need to give each other ourselves better grace, I think.
36:30
SPEAKER_02: But I I think that you know, oftentimes with this profession, and and again, a lot of those traveling moms and dads out there listening to the podcast uh might might relate to it too, or you get so wound up and locked into the work and and you know, hey, I'm I'm providing and I'm I'm doing what I need to do, and and that sometimes I think you know what?
36:52
SPEAKER_02: I I think that I probably give myself grace now for more than I did back then, meaning as I look back on it, I wish that I had been more present.
37:05
SPEAKER_02: Not that I always well, I mean, I I my my kids and people around would say, hey, he's a good dad.
37:09
SPEAKER_02: I would say I could have had a better dad.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: Um, and the grace that I give myself now is of saying, okay, well, I I'm better now, and I I learned from all those experiences.
37:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, not that they were awful, um, but I I don't know that I had the ability at times to give myself grace or even think about it because I was so locked into the workout.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's good, man.
37:33
SPEAKER_01: As you think about the the your two kids and um what what what would you say is the the the the values that you or and your wife are probably most proud that you've instilled in them.
37:47
SPEAKER_02: Um I think it's a bit of what I talked about you know before the the hard work the way they treat people.
37:53
SPEAKER_02: But I think I think and the other piece I would say too is that they understand, and I don't know that we ever sat them down and explained this, but they understand even as kids that grew up during a pandemic and grew up you know in their rooms and all that stuff, and you know, having a son that loves video games, I've come to understand that just because they're in their room playing video games doesn't mean they're being antisocial, they're they're on the headsets with their friends and not all that different than when you and I were growing up, and and um you'd go hang out at your friend's house or you'd you'd talk on the phone or whatever it was.
38:30
SPEAKER_02: That's their version of it.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: Um but I I I think that what I love most is that they're they're comfortable sitting face to face with uh of all ages, of all backgrounds, um, of all races, of all religions, that that that that to me um I think is what I'm most proud of that that they I think figured a lot of that out on their own.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: And they're two different personalities too, like they with two totally different interests, yet they treat people the same way.
38:59
SPEAKER_02: And um I think that's that's probably what I'm most proud of because that's and this isn't really a knock on people either, but how many times do we walk around now?
39:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm so careful not to be the get off my lawn guy, because we are at that danger zone of an age right now where uh where we can get grumpy about stuff, Casey.
39:16
SPEAKER_02: And and I just I don't ever want to turn into that.
39:18
SPEAKER_02: Maybe I will at some point, hopefully not.
39:20
SPEAKER_02: But um, and maybe you know, I may look back and say, well, I didn't realize then that it was inevitable.
39:25
SPEAKER_02: I hope not, but I don't know, like they they've grown up in such a different time and a harder time than we ever did.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: I wish they could experience more of what we had and they don't have it.
39:40
SPEAKER_02: But you know, with everything going on in the world, you can't put the genie back in the bottle, and um, this is where we're at.
39:46
SPEAKER_02: And I just love the fact that that they still understand the importance of a face-to-face and and um interacting with Yeah, I love that.
39:56
SPEAKER_03: You made me think of something that we've taught our kids is um in a world where texting is so quick and easy, uh pick up the phone and call somebody.
40:07
SPEAKER_01: And um, like I what warmed my heart this morning, my daughter she worked recording her band September 4th.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: Subsole will come out in the future tomorrow.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: My daughter turns 18, and grandma and grandpa sent her some something today, and she sent us a text saying, Hey, grandma and grandpa sent me this, so nice.
40:23
SPEAKER_01: I already called him to how much I love him and I appreciate it, and just want to let you guys know.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: Now she didn't need to do that, but it warmed my heart that, like, okay, we're done something right.
40:31
SPEAKER_01: Power of like because grandma and grandpa getting a call from the grandkid, they're they made their day.
40:37
SPEAKER_02: I I mean, I to echo exactly what you're saying when we hear from my parents or my in-laws, and they'll say something along the lines of, I got a call from Mason, and we talked to him for 30 minutes last night, and it's very I want to say it's barely them calling him um or them calling my daughter.
40:57
SPEAKER_02: Maybe they do something, but I I so often hear from my parents and my in-laws about how excited they were that that both of my kids just picked up the phone and called.
41:07
SPEAKER_02: Um they also understand that uh, you know, texting their grandparents isn't gonna be much of a change either.
41:13
SPEAKER_02: So they understand the value in those conversations and they and they live for them just as much as their grandparents.
41:19
SPEAKER_02: That that's that's just if that can't warm your heart, I don't know.
41:22
SPEAKER_03: I know the best, ma'am.
41:24
SPEAKER_03: How um how did you get into broadcasting?
41:29
SPEAKER_02: So here's the story.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: I'll I'll give you as short a version as I can.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: I tell this sometimes on stage, and this is relevant to anyone that is listening in any profession, and especially now with the AI uh and and all the tools that we have.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: Because before I tell this story, um, I remember I don't know, seven, eight years ago, maybe, maybe it's 10 years ago, my nephew, who uh is now in his later 20s, as uh he heard the story, said something like, Well, it's easier nowadays we have and now people say, well, it's easier nowadays, we have chat GPT or whatever.
42:06
SPEAKER_02: And my answer is, well, so does everyone else.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: And so the question I love to ask people is what makes it different?
42:13
SPEAKER_02: So if we go back to 1994, and you remember those times well, Casey, uh, and uh email is new.
42:20
SPEAKER_02: I remember my senior year of college, you had to go to the library to get access to log into an email.
42:25
SPEAKER_02: And we didn't have laptop, we didn't have laptops in our room or anything like that, right?
42:29
SPEAKER_02: You had uh word processor if you were lucky to do your papers.
42:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh surfing the internet wasn't really a thing.
42:34
SPEAKER_02: Websites were new.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: So I subscribed when I got out of college, went back home to Chicago.
42:40
SPEAKER_02: I subscribed to some service.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: You call an 800 number, you punch in your code, maybe it was 50 bucks a month or less, I don't know.
42:47
SPEAKER_02: And it would list any job opening in the country that was posted for TV if something was new.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, you look in a smaller category, I wasn't going to go to some big place to start.
42:59
SPEAKER_02: Anyway, I they give you the you know contact information, the address, you send a resume, you send a resume tape.
43:04
SPEAKER_02: Nowadays they can send a YouTube look.
43:06
SPEAKER_02: Great, so can everybody else?
43:08
SPEAKER_02: And I sent those out, and every single one of them came back with a letter saying, we're sorry to inform you that blah, blah, blah.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: You know, good old snail mail.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: And I don't know what it was, but the last one came from a TV station in Missoula, Montana.
43:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't think that Missoula was any smaller than any of the other places I was applying.
43:27
SPEAKER_02: If anything, it might have been a little bigger.
43:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but in my mind, Chicago kid sitting there thinking, if I can't get a job in Missoula, I'm never getting in.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: Never been to Montana, still to this day.
43:37
SPEAKER_02: But um, and so I picked up the phone, getting back to what you were talking about, Casey.
43:42
SPEAKER_02: I remember sitting in my parents' bedroom on a landline with a script, nervously calling.
43:47
SPEAKER_02: Hi, can you tell me who the news director is?
43:50
SPEAKER_02: They didn't necessarily have a website yet.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, it's Dave Smith.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
43:53
SPEAKER_02: Click, I'd call back 10 minutes later, as if that affected things, so that I was a new person calling.
43:58
SPEAKER_02: Hi, can I speak with Dave Smith?
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Please.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
44:00
SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
44:01
SPEAKER_02: Hi, Mr.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: Smith.
44:02
SPEAKER_02: My name's Dole Goldberg.
44:03
SPEAKER_02: I just graduated from the University of Wisconsin.
44:05
SPEAKER_02: I understand you don't have any job openings right now, but I'm actually passing through town and do it.
44:11
SPEAKER_02: If I were to pop in on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday, the 15th, 16th, or 17th, um, could I hand deliver a uh a a resume tape and introduce myself?
44:21
SPEAKER_02: And um, if so, is there a good time to do that?
44:24
SPEAKER_02: Everyone but one of them said yes.
44:27
SPEAKER_02: The only one that said no was in a town where I was already going to another place or another station, so I dropped it off anyway.
44:34
SPEAKER_02: And when they had openings, by the way, I was never going to Terre Haute, Indiana, or Rochester, Minnesota, or Rochester, New York, or Mason City, Iowa, or Quincy, Illinois, or Rhinelander, Wisconsin, which was my first job.
44:47
SPEAKER_02: But once they said yes, I hopped in the car, took the one suit coat I owned, uh, you know, a pair of pants, I'd pull onto the McDonald's.
44:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I would, I would change, I'd go do the interview or or meet them sometimes for 45 minutes because they wanted to show me around.
45:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh, if I had free time, I'd go to the local park and study for a fantasy football draft.
45:07
SPEAKER_02: That was even big back then.
45:09
SPEAKER_02: And um, when they had openings, I was.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: And I actually think I ended up telling you the long version, not the short version.
45:17
SPEAKER_02: But the point is that the question of what makes you different, there are a million other people doing what all of us do.
45:22
SPEAKER_02: It put me to the front of the line.
45:23
SPEAKER_02: It was the fast pass at an amusement park, and it gave me the first access versus never knowing if they even looked.
45:30
SPEAKER_02: And that's how I got in.
45:32
SPEAKER_02: And then the rest was everything we talked about hard work and treating people the right way, and hopefully a little talent along.
45:39
SPEAKER_01: That's a cool story.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: And uh, I mean, that stuff still works to this day.
45:43
SPEAKER_02: Uh course it does.
45:45
SPEAKER_02: It always does.
45:46
SPEAKER_02: It just you just have to answer the question.
45:48
SPEAKER_02: If everybody else is doing it this way, then how do I do it a little bit?
45:52
SPEAKER_01: And usually it's their minor tweaks that separate the good, the great, and the elite.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: Minor little tweaks.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: The words we say, the practice you do.
46:01
SPEAKER_01: Um I think that's it's such a cool story, and um, hopefully it's inspired somebody out there to try to be a little bit different today or try to help their kids be a little bit different today so they can go out and achieve what they want to achieve.
46:13
SPEAKER_01: Um When did you know you wanted to write a book?
46:16
SPEAKER_03: I never did.
46:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, the funny part about it is I always knew all the years in sports that I should keep better tabs of the stories because they could turn into a book one day, and it might be fun to share those.
46:30
SPEAKER_02: And then uh one offseason, 2016, the winter of 1617, somebody suggested I start a speaking business because they were asking me what I was up to in all this free time, six months off.
46:42
SPEAKER_02: And everybody said to me, speakers write books.
46:45
SPEAKER_02: And um, I thought, oh my gosh, I I okay, but what do I write about?
46:52
SPEAKER_02: What what uh I can write about how to get into television, that's not gonna help in speaking.
46:57
SPEAKER_02: I could write about the Royals just winning a world championship in a small market, that's been written before.
47:03
SPEAKER_02: And I met with a ghostwriter, and I could write.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh, that's not never been a problem, but I thought she'd have the answers.
47:09
SPEAKER_02: And her answer was, you're not ready to write a book.
47:12
SPEAKER_02: I appreciate it.
47:13
SPEAKER_02: She's gonna take my money.
47:15
SPEAKER_02: Start a podcast instead.
47:17
SPEAKER_02: And I said, why?
47:17
SPEAKER_02: And she said, Well, one, you interview people for a living already.
47:20
SPEAKER_02: Two, it'll help you build a new brand or uh an expanded brand.
47:24
SPEAKER_02: Three, it'll make connections to you, just as you and I have right now.
47:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, and four, it'll create content.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: And the content that came from that, which blended really well with baseball and sports, took its way to the stage, took its way eventually to two books, took its way eventually to a newsletter, and on and on.
47:42
SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, I I'll I think I'll write more books.
47:46
SPEAKER_03: There are plenty, there's plenty more to go, but I won't do it unless I want to.
47:52
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
47:53
SPEAKER_02: Meaning we all have enough other things going on.
47:55
SPEAKER_02: But I'm glad I did.
47:56
SPEAKER_02: People seem to enjoy it.
47:57
SPEAKER_02: I'm a storyteller, and it's mostly a storytelling book, trying to inspire people books.
48:02
SPEAKER_02: And um, so no, it was never on the bucket list, but but add it to, like I said before, Casey, like add it to all these unintended consequences that come from whatever path you go down and trying different things that it leads you to some really cool places.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: Couldn't couldn't agree more, man.
48:17
SPEAKER_01: Um, if you were to summarize what we've talked about today, uh into like actionable themes that dads could take from our conversation and and look to apply in their own life, tell me what are you know two or three words that come to mind or themes that come to mind.
48:31
SPEAKER_02: Well, I've said it a few times, you know, being authentic, working hard, treating people right.
48:36
SPEAKER_02: And then as parents, look, we're I I don't think there's any great parenting advice for anyone because we're all wired differently.
48:44
SPEAKER_02: We all have different values.
48:45
SPEAKER_02: Some things may mean more to you than it does to me, some things may mean more to you and your wife than it does to my wife and I.
48:52
SPEAKER_02: I would never never tell somebody, you know, how to do any of that.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: But I think whatever is important to you, model it.
49:01
SPEAKER_02: Because what I've come to realize over time, it's almost like, you know, remember that first time, assuming it happened, that one of your kids dropped a word they shouldn't have dropped?
49:12
SPEAKER_02: Where did they learn that from?
49:14
SPEAKER_02: They heard it from one of us in the car.
49:16
SPEAKER_02: They pay attention to everything.
49:18
SPEAKER_02: And so I think that to me, like the biggest advice I would give is that um, yeah, they'll listen to some of the lectures, but more likely they're gonna listen and observe when you're not done to um model that behavior, model what's important to you, which hopefully then becomes important to them.
49:35
SPEAKER_02: And I think that everything that I've talked about um in terms of work ethic and treating people the right way, it's applicable to any field, to any walk of life, to any part of the world.
49:45
SPEAKER_02: And I think that um that starts with us.
49:48
SPEAKER_01: Couldn't agree more, ma'am.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
49:50
SPEAKER_01: If people want to learn more about you and your work, the books you've written, the speaking you're doing, they want to become a Royals fan.
49:57
SPEAKER_01: Or uh tell me what's the easiest way we can make people find you.
50:01
SPEAKER_02: I think the website's the easiest place, doll goldbergmedia.com.
50:05
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, I speak about first and foremost trust, winning trust.
50:09
SPEAKER_02: I speak about culture.
50:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, those are the big ones.
50:11
SPEAKER_02: And I always tell people too, and probably the same for you.
50:14
SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's not a baseball speech, not a football speech.
50:17
SPEAKER_02: I use a lot of baseball storytelling.
50:20
SPEAKER_02: But um, the thing I love about baseball is it's it's a sport of failure, it's everyday.
50:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh you have the ability to overcome and learn from that failure.
50:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I write a lot about that in a weekly newsletter.
50:31
SPEAKER_02: I speak a lot about that.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: But JoelGoldbergmedia.com is the best.
50:35
SPEAKER_01: We will make sure it's easy to find you.
50:37
SPEAKER_01: We'll link these in the show notes, everybody, so you can go follow Joel's work, check out his books.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: And regarding failure, we deaf, me and my Seattle Mariners, we we know all about that.
50:45
SPEAKER_01: We are the only major league baseball team never to have made it to the World Series.
50:49
SPEAKER_01: We're so proud of that.
50:50
SPEAKER_01: Heavy sarcasm.
50:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a lot of sarcasm.
50:53
SPEAKER_02: But I've told you before, I'm not just pandering.
50:55
SPEAKER_02: If you were a Yankees fan, I would tell you that I respect all the championships, but not a fan.
51:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh, not a fan of those big markets.
51:03
SPEAKER_02: By the way, they haven't won a World Series since 2009.
51:05
SPEAKER_02: I always like, we have 27 of them.
51:08
SPEAKER_02: Well, we've won one more recently in 2015.
51:11
SPEAKER_02: But um, but I've told you this.
51:13
SPEAKER_02: I love I love going to Seattle.
51:16
SPEAKER_02: I love I love that stadium.
51:19
SPEAKER_02: I love the people there, I love the vibe there.
51:22
SPEAKER_02: So it's yeah, there are a lot of teams that I'm like, eh, I don't want to see them win.
51:25
SPEAKER_02: But and eventually over time, you know, I know somebody in some form or another on every team.
51:30
SPEAKER_02: You know, it might be one relief pitcher or a bench coach or whatever it is.
51:34
SPEAKER_02: And um, Seattle's one of those places, including the people on TV, that I absolutely if and when that day ever comes, Casey, I will be rooting for the Mariners, provided it's not against the Royal.
51:45
SPEAKER_01: Sounds good.
51:46
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's now time to go into the Lightning Realm.
51:48
SPEAKER_01: This is where I show you the negative hits of taking too many hits in college, not bong hits, but football hits.
51:53
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
51:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh, your job is to answer these questions as quickly as you can, and I hope to get a giggle out of you.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
52:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, you true or false, your biggest sports mentor was Bob Eucher from Major League.
52:08
SPEAKER_02: That's false.
52:09
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
52:10
SPEAKER_02: But I I I almost had an interview with him once uh for a pregame show, and he got hit in the head by a foul ball during batting practice and had to go home, and so we never had the interview.
52:20
SPEAKER_01: That's a random story.
52:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, what would be the one genre of music that might surprise your coworkers that you listen to?
52:27
SPEAKER_02: They may know it now, but maybe the average person uh would be surprised that I I love rap.
52:33
SPEAKER_02: Well, there we go.
52:33
SPEAKER_02: Who's your go-to?
52:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, more recently, a lot of Kendrick Lamar.
52:38
SPEAKER_02: But you know, I love all the old school stuff from the 80s, Beastie Boys, Tribe Call Quest, um, on and on.
52:45
SPEAKER_03: List off thousands.
52:46
SPEAKER_03: So good.
52:47
SPEAKER_03: If I came to your house for dinner tonight, what would we have?
52:50
SPEAKER_03: Hmm.
52:52
SPEAKER_02: Um a hard question.
52:54
SPEAKER_02: I haven't been around very much for dinner lately.
52:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we'll probably throw something on the grill steak or something like that.
53:01
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
53:02
SPEAKER_01: If uh you were to take your wife on vacation right now, no kids, sorry, kid, just staying home.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: Where are you taking her?
53:08
SPEAKER_02: I would love to get away for a couple weeks to Europe.
53:12
SPEAKER_02: That would be nice.
53:14
SPEAKER_02: Bounce around from country to country.
53:16
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna go uh a year, a little uh a little over a year from now, we're gonna go on a European river cruise down the Rhine River and um actually doing a little promotional thing with that.
53:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna get into that right now, but if I can get away right now, I think I might go disappear to Europe for a few weeks.
53:32
SPEAKER_02: Sounds good.
53:33
SPEAKER_02: If there was to be a book written about your life, tell me the title.
53:36
SPEAKER_02: Never shuts up.
53:37
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
53:38
SPEAKER_03: Um loves to talk.
53:40
SPEAKER_02: Um you know, I've written all these small ball books, but um, I just it would be something about um something like small ball be real, small ball be authentic, something like that.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so small ball be real, we'll call it that one.
53:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, is sold out everywhere, so we can't get a hand on it.
53:58
SPEAKER_01: I've tried Amazon.
53:59
SPEAKER_03: International best sellers, yeah.
54:01
SPEAKER_01: Everywhere.
54:02
SPEAKER_01: Book tour.
54:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're just you're like you're you're killing it everywhere.
54:07
SPEAKER_01: So now Netflix decided to make a movie about this book.
54:10
SPEAKER_01: You're the casting director.
54:10
SPEAKER_01: I need to know which Hollywood star is gonna star you in this critically claim hit new movie.
54:15
SPEAKER_02: You know, as much as I want to say, like, whoever the best looking guy out there is, you know, like we could go with a little uh a little George Clooney, you know, with the white hair and all that type of thing.
54:27
SPEAKER_02: But how about we go with like uh a Ryan Reynolds and throw some humor in?
54:32
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
54:33
SPEAKER_01: All right, and then the last and most important question tell me two words that would describe your wife.
54:37
SPEAKER_03: Very tolerant, supportive, and um I always would have said like best mom, you know, like I don't know.
54:51
SPEAKER_03: She gets all the credit for all that she's like she is like the best friend of both of both of our kids.
54:57
SPEAKER_03: Not that they don't like me either.
54:58
SPEAKER_03: So um that's she she deserves all that.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: So good.
55:03
SPEAKER_01: Lightning round's complete.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: We both giggled.
55:05
SPEAKER_01: Uh we had a blast.
55:06
SPEAKER_01: It was so fun learning more about you and your background, your story, and and thoughts on fatherhood.
55:11
SPEAKER_01: And hope everybody enjoyed this too and took notes like I did.
55:14
SPEAKER_01: Uh for everybody who continues to listen, we're so grateful for you.
55:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh if that if this episode has spoken to you, um, share with a friend.
55:21
SPEAKER_01: Um share with another dad who can learn more and more about Joel and learn more about our podcast we're doing each and every day.
55:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I want to thank you again, man, for your time.
55:28
SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Steve Gardi, for making this episode possible.
55:31
SPEAKER_01: And I will be coming to Kansas City in November.
55:33
SPEAKER_01: And I hope we can meet in person when I come in town.
55:36
SPEAKER_02: We need to.
55:36
SPEAKER_02: And by that point, you'll have been on my podcast.
55:39
SPEAKER_01: There we go.
55:40
SPEAKER_01: Joel, thanks so much for your time.
55:41
SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Casey.
55:43
SPEAKER_01: Thank you again, Steve Gertie, for making this episode possible.
55:46
SPEAKER_01: And Joel Goldberg, thank you again so much for joining me on this week's uh episode.
55:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, again, wherever you've decided to listen to this episode today, you do me a huge favor, go to the the platform whether Spotify, YouTube, Apple, and just click on review.
56:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh, leave us a review, let us know how we're doing, leave us a rating, uh, hopefully a good one that we can and then get that algorithm going so more dads can find this uh podcast.
56:10
SPEAKER_01: We can impact the lives of other dads that can continue to learn, keep in that growth mindset and be that ultimate quarterback or leader of their home.
56:17
SPEAKER_01: Thank you again, everybody.
56:18
SPEAKER_01: We look forward to seeing you next week.