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Happy Thanksgiving from Brian Thomas and 55KRC · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Been a very happy Monday to you. I am pleased
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  Speaker 1: to welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show Buddy Levey,
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  Speaker 1: author of more than ten books, including A Labyrinth of Ice,
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  Speaker 1: The Triumphant and Tragic Greeley Polar Expedition, and Empire of
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  Speaker 1: Ice and Stone, The Disastrous and Heroic Voyage of the
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  Speaker 1: Karl Luke. His book have been published in eight languages,
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  Speaker 1: won numerous awards. You may have also seen him on
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  Speaker 1: the History Channel. He was on History's Greatest Mysteries hosted
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  Speaker 1: by Lawrence Fishburn, and also The Unexplained with William Shatner
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  Speaker 1: hosting Today, We've got a new book to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Realm of Ice and Sky, triumph Tragedy, and History's Greatest
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  Speaker 1: Arctic Rescue. Welcome to the fifty five KRC Morning Show,
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  Speaker 1: Buddy Lovey. It's a pleasure to have you on today.
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  Speaker 2: Sir Ryan, great to be with you.
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  Speaker 1: Answer me this. This has been puzzling me for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of years, and you make like, okay, you got
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  Speaker 1: more you need, You got too much time on your hands.
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  Speaker 1: But I've seen a number of documentaries about polar travel
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  Speaker 1: North Pole, South Pole and the period in time when
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  Speaker 1: these adventures were made, these daring trips into frozen wastelands.
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  Speaker 1: What in the hell prompted people to want to seek
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  Speaker 1: the polls and put their literally their lives in peril
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  Speaker 1: to do it. Did they have that bad home life
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  Speaker 1: or something.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great question. Well it was multi pronged, really.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, part of it was initially discovery, trying to
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  Speaker 3: find out what was there, because early expeditions, we still
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  Speaker 3: didn't know what was at the top and bottom of
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  Speaker 3: the world. Certainly these were added to fame, fortune, and
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  Speaker 3: immortality because if you were the ones who could discover
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  Speaker 3: make these discoveries, then there were lucrative book tours and
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  Speaker 3: lecture tours, and you would also often you know, become
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  Speaker 3: feted in your own country. And so there was also
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  Speaker 3: a nationalistic pride to it. I mean, many countries were
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  Speaker 3: buying for the polls, so there was a lot of
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  Speaker 3: different reasons. But I mean, I agree, man, these were
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  Speaker 3: such daunting expeditions that it's hard to imagine now putting
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  Speaker 3: yourself in such.
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  Speaker 1: Peril, it really is. That's what's always puzzled me, isid
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  Speaker 1: these guys had to have hated their wives or something.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is just that craft crazy anyway, it
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  Speaker 1: was widely reported. At least I think you've solved the
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  Speaker 1: mystery on this. Who got there first? Doctor Frederick Cook
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  Speaker 1: claimed to have made it to the North Pole in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen o eight, and then a year later, as I understand,
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  Speaker 1: Robert Perry made the claim that he had seen the
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  Speaker 1: North Pole first. But what did you uncover in Realm
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  Speaker 1: of Ice and Sky, the book you've just released.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's been arguments about this ongoing since
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  Speaker 3: the early nineteen hundreds when Cook and Perry first made
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  Speaker 3: the claims, but subsequently their records were found to be
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  Speaker 3: either altered or fabricated. And so when Dominson the Norwegian
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  Speaker 3: went over the pole in an airship in nineteen twenty
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  Speaker 3: six with the Italian Umberto noble A, he made what
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  Speaker 3: is now considered and at least I find this to
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  Speaker 3: be true, the first confirmed reaching.
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  Speaker 4: Of the North Pole.
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  Speaker 3: And so you know, like I said, there was fame
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  Speaker 3: and immortality were involved, and egos were involved, and so
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  Speaker 3: there were lots of there was fabrication, and so you know,
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  Speaker 3: it ended up being this kind of ongoing argument and counterclaims,
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  Speaker 3: and it was national and international news for years and years.
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  Speaker 1: Well, these were these folks that you talk about in
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  Speaker 1: the book Roland Aminson and Walter Wellman, they flew to
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  Speaker 1: the North Pole in a blimp right airship.
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  Speaker 5: That's correct.
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  Speaker 3: And Wellman, interestingly was an American from Ohio who was
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  Speaker 3: the first to try and it was really I liken
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  Speaker 3: it to the first astronauts. I mean, these guys were
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  Speaker 3: called aeronauts. And Wellman was trying this in craft that
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  Speaker 3: were untested. In fact, nineteen oh seven, nineteen oh eight,
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  Speaker 3: he went up there to Spallbar, this archipelago north of Norway,
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  Speaker 3: halfway between Norway and North Pole, and gets in one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty five foot hydrogen filled dirigible or blimp
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  Speaker 3: we call him now, and with a you know, a
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  Speaker 3: pretty small motor on it and tries to fly one
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  Speaker 3: thousand miles to the North Bowle and what could possibly
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  Speaker 3: go wrong?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And so yeah, these guys were you know, Wellman was
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  Speaker 3: really really brave and he and only a couple of
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  Speaker 3: other guys were getting into these craft which had, like
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  Speaker 3: I say, never before even been tested. I mean there
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  Speaker 3: were they had been sit in uh in France and
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  Speaker 3: tested in other places, but not in the Arctic. So
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  Speaker 3: it was really a pioneering and courageous effort that you
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  Speaker 3: just have to marvel at the courage of these men.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, some claimed at the time courage and
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  Speaker 3: suicidal tendency.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, really, it's the first thing that went through my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Untested aircraft and and and and going into frozen wastelines.
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  Speaker 1: And I presume at times the wind had to kick
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  Speaker 1: up pretty dramatically. So if you just got a little
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  Speaker 1: tiny motor and you're floating around and basically what is
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  Speaker 1: a balloon? I mean, how do you keep yourself on course?
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  Speaker 1: Would be a question I would have before I went
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  Speaker 1: up in the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So you're you're hoping for the winds to be
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  Speaker 3: in your favor, and there were, you know, lots of
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  Speaker 3: study about what the winds were doing in that part
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  Speaker 3: of the world at these times. But you're absolutely right.
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  Speaker 3: Wellman and his crew were buffeted around and blown in circles,
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  Speaker 3: and they had a number of devices that they had
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  Speaker 3: used Wellman device to try to keep them on course,
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  Speaker 3: including these long cables that had hooks on the ends
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  Speaker 3: and weights and there were you know, being they were
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  Speaker 3: a five hundred feet long, they could help keep them
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  Speaker 3: tethered to the ice. But again this was all rather rudimentary,
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  Speaker 3: and for context, you know, the Wright brothers in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: oh three had only recently been testing the airplane. So
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  Speaker 3: one of the things I found really intriguing about this
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  Speaker 3: story was that while Wellman was trying this, the airplane
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  Speaker 3: and the airship were both buying for supremacy of the skies,
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  Speaker 3: and so no one really quite knew whether the airship,
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  Speaker 3: dirigible blimp whatever you want to call it, was going
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  Speaker 3: to defeat the airplane, and so it was a really
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  Speaker 3: open question, and that part is quite compelling.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in any of these various airship of dirigible blimp trips,
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  Speaker 1: did they land once they got to what would be
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  Speaker 1: known as the actual North Pole or do they just
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  Speaker 1: take photographs from above?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's a really great question. Sometimes they land in unintentionally,
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  Speaker 3: which is called crashing. But when by the time all
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  Speaker 3: Amansen and Nobuley get into the fray, it's about sixteen
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  Speaker 3: years after Wellman and they are able to definitively photograph
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  Speaker 3: above the North Pole. And photograph, I mean they fly
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  Speaker 3: all the way from Spalbard north of Norway to across
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  Speaker 3: the polar see across the North Pole to Teller Alaska
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  Speaker 3: and make a kind of dramatic crash landing there, though
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  Speaker 3: they all survive, and so yeah, it's a good question.
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  Speaker 3: The plan had been in a number of these expeditions
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  Speaker 3: to try it's a great question to try to land,
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  Speaker 3: to try to lower people down, either from the hovering
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  Speaker 3: craft or kind of like landing on the Moon, or
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  Speaker 3: to land tether there and then get out and do
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  Speaker 3: some scientific study on the ice. But conditions up there
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  Speaker 3: were never really conducive to making intentional landings, and so
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  Speaker 3: you do have a lot of drama in this story
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  Speaker 3: about crash landings.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was I wanted to gravitate over to
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  Speaker 1: a specific illustration that what is described as the disaster
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  Speaker 1: of the Italia.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So after Amunsen and Nobela, this Italian airship designer
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  Speaker 3: make a somewhat successful flight in twenty six for National
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  Speaker 3: Pride Nobila, who decides to do it with an almost
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  Speaker 3: exclusively Italian crew, and he makes it to the North Pole,
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  Speaker 3: but on the way back it's can incredibly like a
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  Speaker 3: kind of hurricane and winds, and so they end up
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  Speaker 3: crashing on the ice and a number of people perish.
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  Speaker 3: It's very dramatic. The dirigible. You know, the control car
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  Speaker 3: sheers away from the bottom of this dirigible. Many men
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  Speaker 3: are left on the ice and the others float away
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  Speaker 3: above them and are gone.
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  Speaker 4: Into the mist.
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  Speaker 3: And then Noblay and these nine other men are left
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  Speaker 3: on a floating ice flow for about six weeks, with.
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  Speaker 6: No one knowing exactly where they are.
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  Speaker 3: And it's really it's one of the most dramatic rescues
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  Speaker 3: in archaic history.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just incredible.
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  Speaker 1: How in the hell were they found? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: presume maybe you can correct me if I'm wrong, that
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  Speaker 1: they had no way of communicating. They didn't have like
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  Speaker 1: two way radios with the mainland or whatever. Did they?
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  Speaker 3: Ah, they did, so one of the men had the
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  Speaker 3: good sense to so this is also at the time
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  Speaker 3: that Marconi's wireless radio has been developed, and so one
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  Speaker 3: of the men had the wherewithal to leap from the
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  Speaker 3: crashing dirigible with a short wave two way and they are,
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  Speaker 3: after a great deal of travail and innovation, are able
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  Speaker 3: to get communication with first of all, with some farmer
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  Speaker 3: in Russia.
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  Speaker 4: Of all things.
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  Speaker 3: Here's their SOS communications and contacts the Italian government, which
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  Speaker 3: sets in motion this incredible rescue operation.
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  Speaker 4: That involves. It's a multi national.
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  Speaker 3: Rescue operation that involves Sweden, Norway, Finland, the United States,
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  Speaker 3: it's Italy and all these different countries are vying to
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  Speaker 3: be the ones to find Nobuley and his men, including
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  Speaker 3: dramatically rolled Almond, and the greatest polar explorer of all time,
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  Speaker 3: who has retired at this time, comes out of retirement,
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  Speaker 3: Hopson an airplane to go sweep in and save his
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  Speaker 3: arch nemesis nobule A. And then he ends up. It's
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  Speaker 3: a great, really Hollywood ending. I mean, what ends up
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  Speaker 3: happening with Noble or with Amtsen. I will give that away,
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  Speaker 3: don't give it flies He flies off, you know, with
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  Speaker 3: a number of men in this prototype airplane, and it's
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  Speaker 3: just wild.
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  Speaker 7: What happens?
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  Speaker 1: Well, read all about it, I guess today, Buddy Lovey,
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  Speaker 1: author of Realm of Ice and Sky, Triumph Tragedy and
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  Speaker 1: History's Greatest Arctic Rescue before we Park Company, Really, Chris,
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  Speaker 1: it's been fascinating, Buddy. How is it you got involved
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  Speaker 1: in Arctic exploration? What drew you to it as a topic.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, that's a great question.
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  Speaker 3: I ended up going to Greenland when I was doing
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of journalism in the early two thousands, and
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  Speaker 3: I met a Norwegian woman who who gave me a
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  Speaker 3: book called The First Crossing of Greenland by this man
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  Speaker 3: named free Joff Nonsen, who was a kind of protege
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  Speaker 3: of Munson's. And once I started reading, well, first of all,
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  Speaker 3: once I went to Greenland, I was so struck by
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  Speaker 3: the landscape, the people, that the uh you know, the topography,
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  Speaker 3: and it was just a very dangerous and foreboding place.
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  Speaker 3: And then I thought, oh man, I got into the
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  Speaker 3: started reading about these Arctic explorers and I was just hooked.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't stop.
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  Speaker 2: So there's my third book about the subject.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, well and obviously a very successful author, you are.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure my listener's going to go to get one
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  Speaker 1: to get a copy of rom of Ice and Sky,
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  Speaker 1: which we've made it easy for them to do, Buddy.
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  Speaker 1: It's on my blog page fifty five care see dot
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  Speaker 1: com a link to click on to buy a copy
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  Speaker 1: of the book and enjoy it. These people were absolutely crazy, Buddy,
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  Speaker 1: that's all I can conclude. Absolutely crazy. But Man would
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  Speaker 1: have liked agree you left man, Buddy, real fun. It
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  Speaker 1: was fun talking to you. Thanks for spending the time
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  Speaker 1: my listeners of meme for putting this all down on paper.
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  Speaker 1: Heyo five the fifty five parase de talk station. Happy
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  Speaker 1: Friday Eve, Great time to be tune into the fity
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  Speaker 1: five Parassee Morning Show, which I would argue it always is,
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  Speaker 1: but I am pleased to welcome to the fifty five
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  Speaker 1: Parasy Morning Show. Someone the many of my listeners probably
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  Speaker 1: already know Dennis Neil, Award winning journalist, media strategist, advisor
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  Speaker 1: to senior executives. A lot of my listeners may be
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  Speaker 1: listened to his What's Bugging Me? Podcast. He was formerly
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  Speaker 1: Author of the book we're going to be talking about today,
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  Speaker 1: the leadership genius of Elon Musk. Welcome to the Morning Show,
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  Speaker 1: Dennis Neil. It is a distinct pleasure to have you
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  Speaker 1: on my program.
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  Speaker 8: Same here, Brian, and thanks so much for that very
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  Speaker 8: loquacious kind intro.
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  Speaker 1: You're well deserving of it. You do great work, and
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  Speaker 1: you have been for a long time, And a little
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  Speaker 1: jealousy on my part because I dearly love the Wall
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  Speaker 1: Street Journal, and I'm so glad it's one of the
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  Speaker 1: few papers that's still in business and speaking about business,
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  Speaker 1: Elon Musk the wealthiest guy on the planet and immune
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  Speaker 1: from the class warfare arguments. He's a minimalist. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: own all kinds of stuff and things. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: see these billionaires in there, five hundred million dollar yachts
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  Speaker 1: floating around the world, and you're thinking like, wow, uh okay,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not Elon Musk. He almost He like thrives
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  Speaker 1: on minimalism and that's part of his business strategy and
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  Speaker 1: what made him so successful. Am I right?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, You're totally right. That's a very good iye on
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  Speaker 8: your part. You know, my book offers eleven lessons of Elon.
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  Speaker 6: That fuel his success and that maybe we could use
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  Speaker 6: to build a better life.
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  Speaker 8: And lesson number two is reduce, reduce, reduce.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what he's doing a doge.
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  Speaker 8: That's what he did at Twitter, cutting eighty percent of
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  Speaker 8: staff in about two weeks. That's what he does in
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  Speaker 8: the Tesla car where he tells engineers to take out
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  Speaker 8: so many parts, reducing it that it can't run. They
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  Speaker 8: got to put something back in. So the Tesla has
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  Speaker 8: about ten thousand parts in the ford, as I think
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  Speaker 8: it's thirty or forty thousand parts in a ford, and
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  Speaker 8: so that runs across. He sold all his homes, six homes,
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  Speaker 8: for like one hundred and twenty million dollars, and he.
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  Speaker 6: Believes in minimis lifestyle.
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  Speaker 8: At the same time, once that guy moved into mar
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  Speaker 8: Alago for a few weeks with Trump, I imagine Trump
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  Speaker 8: was wondering, is he ever going to leave? He does
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  Speaker 8: stay in the lap of luxury with friends.
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  Speaker 1: Well, with friends, they've invited him into their multimillion hour
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  Speaker 1: of dollar homes. Not his. Yea, he lives in a
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  Speaker 1: tiny house, doesn't he is? Does he own?
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  Speaker 8: It's this forty thousand dollars foldable house that he rents
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  Speaker 8: that SpaceX bought from this company that specializes in it,
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  Speaker 8: and it's a you know, it's just a tiny little thing.
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  Speaker 8: And when he's in town for SpaceX launches and stuff,
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  Speaker 8: he'll stay there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and as you you point out in the book,
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  Speaker 1: he adheres to this eighty twenty rule. The perception is
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  Speaker 1: that eighty percent of the work done by twenty percent
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  Speaker 1: of the staff, which he proved when he acquired X
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  Speaker 1: And in his motivation for acquiring it, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: was to make himself any better or anything, but it
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  Speaker 1: was in the name of freedom of speech, which he
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  Speaker 1: holds dearly.
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  Speaker 8: But getting rid of that was the most amazing thing, Brian,
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  Speaker 8: because this guy's an adopted American, right, you know that
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  Speaker 8: that a third of America Americans, they believe that hate
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  Speaker 8: speech is so bad that it's more important to prevent
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  Speaker 8: hate speech and stop it than it is to have
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  Speaker 8: free speech. And another third of Americans not sure.
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  Speaker 6: That's terrible.
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  Speaker 8: But Elon Musk, because he is an adopted American, he
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  Speaker 8: has the zeal of the convert right, and he loves
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  Speaker 8: the First Amendment and lesson six in my book, it's
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  Speaker 8: one lesson per chapter is free speech is everything stand
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  Speaker 8: up and be heard. Not enough of us stood up
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  Speaker 8: and pushed back when the nation was tilted toward craziness
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  Speaker 8: for the last four years or even longer if you
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  Speaker 8: want to trace back to Obama in the eight years
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  Speaker 8: there and free speech and he really believes in it,
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  Speaker 8: and it's cost him dearly. You have no other entrepreneur
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  Speaker 8: Brian puts billions of dollars of his own money into
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  Speaker 8: a new venture. That's that's for other people to do that.
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  Speaker 8: You use other people's money. But he took I think
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  Speaker 8: it was twenty five billion of the forty four billion
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  Speaker 8: he paid for Twitter came out of his own pocket.
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  Speaker 8: And it was down sixty percent after a year, and
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  Speaker 8: all the media said he's destroying it. And today don't
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  Speaker 8: you think it's one of the most important media platforms
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  Speaker 8: in the world.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 1: And we just had a terrible illustration of the of
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  Speaker 1: why you I mean, we need to protect free speech.
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  Speaker 1: And all speech is protected in the United States, including
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  Speaker 1: idiot Nazis on a bridge and Evendell here locally, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, you got to defend the rights of individuals
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  Speaker 1: to peaceably congregate as well as has spread their message.
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  Speaker 1: But the great thing about that is when you have
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  Speaker 1: free speech and people espouse craziness, you can call them
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  Speaker 1: out on it. And the left, in their right their
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  Speaker 1: constant narrative that they're right and all of these woke
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  Speaker 1: ideological rules are right, and that's the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: can be projected prevents alternative thought from being interjected into
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  Speaker 1: the exchange. So logic and reason can rule today. So
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  Speaker 1: you got to put up with stupid messages. But that's
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  Speaker 1: where you find out where the stupid people.
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  Speaker 8: Are exactly, And instead of trying to limit and muzzle
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  Speaker 8: bad speech, simply drown it out with more of your own,
• 18:23
  Speaker 8: really really good.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Speech, you know.
• 18:25
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's just awful that are politicians on both
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: sides of the parties.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: You know, there's the Twitter files.
• 18:32
  Speaker 8: I was the journalist with more than thirty years the
• 18:34
  Speaker 8: biggest scandal I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, and
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: the Twitter files, And I wonder, where the hell is
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: the media? Why aren't they more upset about this? I
• 18:41
  Speaker 8: did more columns on the Twitter files and the scandal
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: of government suppression of the First Amendment rights of thousands
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: and millions of people. I did more stories than the
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: New York Times in Washington Posts combined. And then you
• 18:55
  Speaker 8: see what they're doing with dough and you see millions
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: of dollars in payments to journalistic outfit. I think they
• 19:00
  Speaker 8: said to something like six thousand journalists getting some kind
• 19:03
  Speaker 8: of money from USAID. And you suddenly wonder where you
• 19:07
  Speaker 8: bought off? Is that why you said nothing didn't care. No,
• 19:10
  Speaker 8: they didn't care because it was conservative speech. But the
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: Trump administration Brian. They requested during their reign the fifty
• 19:17
  Speaker 8: five hundred accounts be silenced. So Republicans and Democrats alike
• 19:21
  Speaker 8: will stifle speech if we let them, if I let them.
• 19:24
  Speaker 8: Elon Musk has just blown a huge hole in that
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: effort to stifle speech.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Dennis Near, the author the leadership genius of Elon Musk,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: I think, if I could read the concept of this
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: book correctly, you wrote it not just for everybody, but
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it seems that you wrote it for entrepreneurs, business people,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: folks that are trying to improve the function of their
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: own business and bring about some greater success for themselves.
• 19:49
  Speaker 8: Bingo, absolutely, because I really think even though he operates
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: at a huge scale, there are lessons you can learn.
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: You know, always bet on yourself and double down. He
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: kept doing that again and again and again. It's better
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: to launch and burn, yeah, than it is never to
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: launch at all. Find one failure.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: So there's a lot of advice there for anybody trying
• 20:08
  Speaker 8: to build a better career or build a company.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you brought up it's better to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: launch than burn and burn than never to launch at all.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Because I was going to ask you about that, Elon Musk.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: You know, the the rockets always didn't always fly, you know,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: sometimes you send one up and it crashes and burns
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: to the ground. Now, some might take experienced shot and
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: freuda because they don't like Elon Musk for some reason.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: But he always seemed to take it and stride. He
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: would chuckle about it and use that as a learning
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: opportunity exactly.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: You know, you have you know, I had a devastating
• 20:38
  Speaker 8: I was fired from Fox Business Network in fifteen minutes. Notice,
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: security guard escorted me out out of the office. You'll
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: pick up We'll ship your stuff to you. I mean,
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: it was devastating. It was as if I'd slept with
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: the president's wife or something at the network. And how
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: you even recover from that, you know, it's kind of tough.
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: And I forgot where I was going with that, Brian,
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: in terms of the outcome that came out of that.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Actually I forgot that.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Point well ahead. You didn't stop. You had a bump
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: in the road, you know, And I tell you, in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: my life, the worst things that happened to me have
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: turned out to be the most beneficial things. You're like,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I dated this girl in college and I
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: thought I was in love with her. It didn't work
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: out in law and behold, I ended up meeting my
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: now ofilly thirty three years in June wife in law school,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I look back, and I think,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: how miserable would I be as a human being had
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that quote relationships quote unquote worked out.
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: We have to learn that even in the most horrible
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: things that happened to us in our lives, good.
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: Things can come out of them.
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: When I got escorted out of that building, I met
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: a few days later with the CEO and I told
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: him the thing is, I feel awful because I feel
• 21:47
  Speaker 8: like I failed.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: And he said to me, you haven't failed, you learned.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: And that's exactly.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: How Elon looks at every failure.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: You know, the space that's.
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: Took, you know, a couple dozen explosions covered heavily in press,
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: laughing at him, making fun of them, and every time
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: they gained thousands of new insights and made hundreds of
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: changes to the next iteration. Just fix it on a fly,
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: keep going, keep going, and just I love that about him. Yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: the guy could have left after his first twenty five
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: million dollar score, and he just kept going.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: He kept going. And now that's the last best hope
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: for those stranded astronauts. Apparently we need to rely on
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk to get him back because apparently Bone's not
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: capable of doing it. Now, I want you to dive
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: on into this because some people may not know this
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: about Elon Musk, but his philosophy of life drives a
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: lot of his decision making. And so let's talk about this.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: All may be fake, so just go for it.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: Yes, I love this part.
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: And the publisher, the wonderful Harper Collins Broadside Books, kind
• 22:48
  Speaker 8: of warned me, you know, you may not want to
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: lead with that because it's so weird. But Elon truly
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: believes I think he truly believes this. That the odds
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: are billions to one in favor of the idea that
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: right now, even as we speak, we are living inside
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: one or more massive computer simulations operated by someone else,
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: somewhere else, maybe in another time.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: And at the more I.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: Started to look into this, the more I came to
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: things that it's actually quite plausible. Yes, exactly like the
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: matrix I mean, if we look at how pong and
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: this is the explanation.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: Elon uses me.
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: Look at pong, two little paddles and a ball and
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: a black screen against it. I played against and that
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: was only fifty years ago. And you look at where
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: we are now, where you're down in the three d Mays,
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: and it looks so super realistic. The thought that ten
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: thousand years from now you could have a simulation so good.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: You don't even know it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: That's entirely believable. But then you think that the Earth.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Is almost four billion years old, that.
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: Means you have something like four hundred thousand different sets
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: of ten thousand years. Well, really, in four hundred thousand
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: different chances of ten thousand years, we've never made it
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: to that advance thing. It's only in the next ten
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: thousand years that we'll get there.
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 23:58
  Speaker 8: Maybe it is a little simulated, But then what it
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: does for us is if you think it might be plausible,
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: was that you live louder, you love out loud, you
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: take that job that you're too afraid to take because
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: there's too much risk there. You say that thing in
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: a meeting because you're feeling like everyone's going in the
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: wrong direction because you no longer are going to stay
• 24:18
  Speaker 8: clients because what the heck?
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: It all may be a game anyway.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a real wild way of looking at it,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you know. And it's one of my favorite quotes. And
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it's interesting because I just put it up the other
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: day because one of my friends had said, what's your
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: favorite quote? I said, twenty years from now, you'll be
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the ones you did. So throw off the bow line,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: sail away from the safe harbor, catch the trade winds
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: in your sales, Explore, dream, discover from the famous Mark Twain.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And I've kind of tried to live by that philosophy
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: of my life and sounds to me like Elon Musks
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: as well, and I have before we part company. That
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: fascinating conversation and just a fascinating man he is. And
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you writing this book as a you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: sort of a guideline for folks in business, most notably
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: but going back to Starlink and how massive the growth is.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And I think that desire to build this independent satellite
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: network also springs from his embracing freedom and liberty, you know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Verizon or the government might flip the switch and shut
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: your cell phone off. But there's Elon Musk with a backup,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: sure enough.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: And you know, I think he sees a synergy among
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: these businesses that the rest of us don't see. You know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: the Startlink satellite network. Brian guides in Tesla cars, right,
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: and then his EXAI engine ends up ingesting all of
• 25:34
  Speaker 8: the data from Tesla cars. It's able to ingest the
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: six thousand tweets put up every second on the X
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: platform and get smarter and smarter and smarter. He's got
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: the Olympus robot inside Tesla where one day you might
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: be able to take an arm from the Olympus robot,
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: attach it to an amputee and with the brain chip
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: company's got neuralink, you know, the ampute could operate the
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: arm just by thinking about it. And you know we
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: think that, oh, he wants to chip for a quadrant pleague.
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: It's no, no.
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: He thinks in twenty years, thirty years, millions of us
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: well walking around with these chips in our heads to
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: talk faster to AI. So it all fits together, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 8: it's just an incredible vision that really he has no
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: right to have it all.
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: It's just absolutely crazy.
• 26:18
  Speaker 8: And yet if you were playing a video game, you'd say, well,
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: what the heck, why not?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah? All that frightens the hell out of me. Though,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I got to be honest with you, Dennis, I like
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: be sad if it were a game.
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: You know, I feel like this is life, this is real.
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: Tomorrow we'll right.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: Here, you know. Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more on that component, but just the
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: idea that all that data is being gathered up, and
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm a privacy fan. I hate the hoovering up of data.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: That's why I recommend my listeners data hell away from TikTok.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Is that just benefits the Chinese Communist Party, and they're
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: hoovering up of data, but at least knowing who Elon
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Musk is and this doesn't offer me is much comfort.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: But he seems to be wanting that data to advance
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and help us, as opposed to use against us, which
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: is the antithesis of what tiktoks difference.
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: And now he's being demonized like crazy by the media,
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: by the Democrats, by Rhino Republicans, and suddenly Kee's publican
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: I mean number one, even more so than Trump and
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: they're just trying to take him down.
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: What are they so afraid of?
• 27:17
  Speaker 8: Why don't we all step back and just take a
• 27:19
  Speaker 8: gander and watch what this guy does. I mean, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 8: if it is a simulation, you don't make a simulation
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: for boring outcomes, right. Elon has another lesson lesson eleven.
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: My book is is you know, the most the most
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: likely outcome in life is the most entertaining, one of
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: the most ironic and opposite of what you expected.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: And look how entertaining life is.
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: Ventilately Oh my goodness, this it has.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: We live in interesting times and he makes them far
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: more interesting. And he's the best troll on the internet
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: when it comes to cowing out his clothes at Dennis
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Neil a real pleasure having on the morning shore. Thank
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you for spending time by listeners to me this morning.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Your book is now available on my blog page fifty
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: five Krsey dot com The leadership genius of Elon Musk.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: If you're a business person, get a copy, but everyone's
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: welcome to read it and learn by it. Thank you
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: for putting it on pay for Dennis, It's been a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: real pleasure. Eight five Here at fifty five Carecy you
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: talk station. A very happy Friday to you intrigued about
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: this book. I'm happy to welcome to the fifty five
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Cassey Morning Show doctor Charles Kamara, author of the book
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about Mission out of Control
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: and Astronaut's Odyssey to fix high risk organizations and prevent tragedy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: He is, as the book suggests, and astronaut. What a
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: cool thing to say. You are research engineer and venor author, educator,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Internationally recognized expert and invited speaker on subjects regarding engineering, engineering, design, innovation, safety,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: organizational behavior and education. He's got more than sixty technical publications,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: hold nine patents, and over twenty national and international awards.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: That could go on for hours on his background. He
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: retired from NASA and May twenty nineteen after forty five
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: years of continuous research. As our continuous service as a
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: research engineer technical manager at Langley Research Center, who's Director
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: of Engineering at Johnson Space Center, Senior Advisor for Innovation
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and Engineering and Development at Langley. Welcome to the Morning Show,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Doctor Kimarta. It is a pleasure to have you on today.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Good morning, Briant. Thanks for having me.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I got it. Being an astronaut. To me,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that's just fascinating, and you probably won't. You're a very
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: small slice of the entire population. I'm just kind of
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: wondering whether you would rather be referred to as astronaut
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: doctor Charles Kermonda or doctor Astronaut Charles Kermona, because I
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: would always want to put that in when I was
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: introducing myself.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: You know, Brian, most people call me Charlie.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: There you go, well, Charles mission, out of control, astronauts,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: honesty to fit the high risk organization and prevent tragedy.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: First off, what I think I have an understanding as
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to why what prompted you to write this book before
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: we start talking about what the book is intended to do.
• 29:49
  Speaker 10: Well, as you.
• 29:50
  Speaker 11: Said, I worked for NASSA for over forty five years
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: and it was an amazing organization when I was a
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: young researcher at Mass aligned with but it changed it
• 29:59
  Speaker 11: watched it way. We stopped doing real applied research. We
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: started becoming a production organization, especially on the human space
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: flight side, and we started just looking at operating vehicles
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: and flying them in space, and we lost our touch
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: with our research routs and we lost our capability to
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: actually understand when we had critical problems.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: So am I correct to understand? You were on the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: team that led the investigation why the Columbia Space shuttle
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: blew up.
• 30:32
  Speaker 11: Well, I didn't lead the team. I led one of
• 30:35
  Speaker 11: the teams that was investigating the technical cause of the problem,
• 30:40
  Speaker 11: and that was the impact. And we use some of
• 30:43
  Speaker 11: my good friends Matt Mellis and some of Kelly Carney
• 30:46
  Speaker 11: and some of the great people at Glenn Research Center
• 30:49
  Speaker 11: right there in Cleveland.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, when I was reading through the materials, I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: did write Boeing down here because Boeing has been plagued
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: with problems. They make the planes, but they don't you know,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: like for example, what they are pilots know, they change
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the software they have, you know, the poor performance in
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: terms of manufacturing. They have a product, but they have
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: breakdowns in manufacturing that obviously can lead and have led
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to the loss of life. Is that sort of an
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: illustration of the of the like a company to whom
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you would focus this book or directed their attention to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: this book.
• 31:24
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, a lot of companies.
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: It's a very similar problem.
• 31:28
  Speaker 11: Because what we learned after the Columbia accident was that
• 31:30
  Speaker 11: the primary cause of the of the of the accident
• 31:34
  Speaker 11: was the culture. And what you saw after the seven
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: point thirty seven MAX accidents with Boeing is they came
• 31:40
  Speaker 11: to the same conclusion. Boeing lost this way, just like
• 31:44
  Speaker 11: National loss this way, technical excellence was no longer and
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: safety were no longer the key primary focus of the organization.
• 31:53
  Speaker 11: It got bobbed down with the bottom line, market share
• 31:58
  Speaker 11: profits very similar but different reasons, became very focused on
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: production schedule and budget and keeping the programs alive, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: it's become a loaded bureaucracy. And what I realized, what
• 32:15
  Speaker 11: I learned in the research writing the book, is that
• 32:17
  Speaker 11: what other people missed was there's a difference between technical excellence,
• 32:23
  Speaker 11: technical people, good engineers, and what I called research engineers.
• 32:26
  Speaker 11: And so I described the elements that make up a
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: good research, a good learning organization like what Boeing used
• 32:34
  Speaker 11: to be, just like NASA was, and how that could
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: lead to a very toxiculture which becomes psychologically unsafe. People
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: are afraid to speak up, and then bad things happened
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: and the accidents recur, just like Challenger and Columbia.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned bottom line profit share and market share
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and profit all being primary drivers and to the exclusion
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: of perhaps this intense focus on prep safety. But on
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a similar note, I kind of think that maybe, like
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: if you look at DEI departments, they're focused on culture,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: and they're focused on social issues and issues that transcend
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: any given companies primary focus, which would be should be
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: providing a quality product and or service to their customers.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Is that another form of sort of a lack of
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: focus or improper direction that we could point to.
• 33:27
  Speaker 11: Well, diversity is good, right, It helps us create, It
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: helps us come with very innovative solutions. But DEI and
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: quotas and getting away from merit talkers. Yeah, you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 11: a good research organization is knowledge is key, and you
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: have deference to the people that have that expertise, and
• 33:46
  Speaker 11: you always have to develop those skills and maintain those standards.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Well, are you concerned about the state of education in
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the United States because we seem to be turning out
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: young people who just are taught to the test, but
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: not taught to critically think. I mean, it's one of
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the reasons why I love law school so much, because
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it was a socratic method that back and forth and
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: that delving down and looking into and analyzing, you know,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: in that particular case, different areas of law, but it
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: was a wonderful teaching method. We don't seem to be
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: teaching children logic and reason anymore? Is there a shortage
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: of that? Is that part of the cultural problem here?
• 34:23
  Speaker 11: You're absolutely correct. When I was reassigned at mathif was
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: speaking up, I started diving into how do we train
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: our young engineers and education in general around the United States.
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: As a matter of fact, I started a five O
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: one to three C educational nonprofit clots called the Ethic
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: Education Foundation, where we used a challenge based learning approach.
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: And yeah, absolutely correct. Lawyers do this. They think critically,
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: they look at all different sides of an argument, and
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: you have this free environment where you could have this discourse.
• 34:54
  Speaker 11: You can have these disagreements, but you relied on the
• 34:58
  Speaker 11: facts and the knowledge, and the knowledge was verified by
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: tests and analysis.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, So in in a corporate environment, moving away from
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: you know, lawyers, you know talking and advocating on behalf
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of their clients and sort of thinking around the different
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: challenges they face. But in a corporate environment, I think
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: you alluded to it earlier. People have this reluctance to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: hold their hand and say no, no, that's a dumb
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: idea because of the you know, am I going to
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: lose my job? Am I going to embarrass my boss?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I can't do that. I'm not going to be the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: one that cheeks up.
• 35:28
  Speaker 11: That's exactly what you're talking about, a psychological safety. Amianmenson
• 35:33
  Speaker 11: wrote a book to Feel This organization about this, and
• 35:36
  Speaker 11: I talk about this in my book how in a
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: real a true research culture, a true research environment. This
• 35:42
  Speaker 11: is this is absolutely critical. And so when I spoke
• 35:47
  Speaker 11: about my book and culture to the senior executives at
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: Boeing and I told them how ugly the culture was
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: and the environment was at NASA's they they their eyes
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: were wide open. But people will come up to me
• 36:00
  Speaker 11: and saying, you know what, Charlie, the culture is worse
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: at Boeing. And I didn't believe them. But that was
• 36:06
  Speaker 11: six months before the first of the first Yon air crash.
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: Of seven thirty seven, and.
• 36:12
  Speaker 11: Then six months later you had the Ethiopian Allins crash
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: and the body cell out of Boeing. And so what
• 36:18
  Speaker 11: I was trying to tell the Bowie senior executives after
• 36:21
  Speaker 11: the seven thirty seven crash was that you need to
• 36:24
  Speaker 11: listen to your people. People are telling you there are
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: major problems, but their voices are being muted and they're
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: being canceled.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Well, part of me, let me ask you this, sir.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And then again, I guess is astronaut doctor Charles kamarda
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Mission out of Control and astronauts Odyssey to Fix High
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Risk Organizations and Prevent Tragedies?
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: Sort of?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: The subtitles suggests high risk organizations? Who did you write
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the book for? Was it for the public at large?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Are you focusing on, you know, corporate culture and your
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: leaders and executives within companies.
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: Originally I focused on it as a way to help
• 36:59
  Speaker 11: fix massive but what I realized was when NASA wasn't listening,
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: there were many organizations that have this very similar problem.
• 37:07
  Speaker 11: And so the second half of the book I talk
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: about ways that we could fix this problem, how we
• 37:12
  Speaker 11: could use technology, how we could to train people differently,
• 37:16
  Speaker 11: how we can build what I call these five key
• 37:18
  Speaker 11: principles of a research culture.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess there's probably, you know, using Boeing as
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: an illustration and NASA's an illustration, I would imagine there
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: is a different mindset among the employees that in the
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: private sector. Yeah, you run the risk of losing your job.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: You run the risk of getting fired for incompetence. But
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: I would think in a government environment, you're less likely
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to face any well penalty for maybe not doing work
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: or for maybe causing a problem or something. There's a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: sort of a protection element in government jobs. It seems
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to not exist in the private sector. Is a distinction
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: between them, And along the lines of what you're talking about, it's.
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: Not really because you know, I spoke up after I
• 38:08
  Speaker 11: flew in space. I became director of engineering, and when
• 38:12
  Speaker 11: I saw problems with safety, I spoke up in a
• 38:14
  Speaker 11: flight readiness review and I was reassigned three days later.
• 38:18
  Speaker 11: So if you can imagine an astronaut being silenced, it
• 38:22
  Speaker 11: can happen to anyone. And while you don't might lose
• 38:25
  Speaker 11: your job, you might lose your position, you might lose
• 38:30
  Speaker 11: your voice, and you're placed in a terrible situation where
• 38:34
  Speaker 11: you no longer can do the job that you loved.
• 38:36
  Speaker 11: People will not treat you the same because you're no
• 38:40
  Speaker 11: longer you're a piranha, you're a pariah persona non grata.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, well, doctor, Obviously, in the book, you identify
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the general concepts we're talking about the problem that we face,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and I presume that you offer an outline solutions to
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: these problems, practical solutions that people in the business world
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: can incorporate.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
• 39:05
  Speaker 11: I have key things for leaders to look for signs
• 39:10
  Speaker 11: that the culture is going awry. I talk about technical
• 39:15
  Speaker 11: use of technology to help us identify when an individual team,
• 39:20
  Speaker 11: because it only takes one small team to be dysfunctional,
• 39:23
  Speaker 11: like the team that was working on the ownings or
• 39:26
  Speaker 11: the team that was analyzing the impact of foam on Columbia.
• 39:31
  Speaker 11: You have one dysfunctional team and it could cause a tragedy.
• 39:35
  Speaker 11: So I highlight several ideas for how do you build
• 39:40
  Speaker 11: a psychologically safe environment, a knowledge based hier rocky where
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: you encourage people to fail and learn by failure, and
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: how you're transparent, how you share information openly and you
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: encourage competing ideas.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I love the sound of it. It sounds practical and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: logical and reasonable to me. Doctor Charles Kamarta, author of
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Mission out of Control and astronauts Odyssey to Fix High
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Risk Organization to Prevent Tragedy. Doctor, we have your book
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five carsee dot com. It
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: sounds to me like there's a lot of business owners
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: out there in my audience it would love to get
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: a copy of this, and I'm sure they will thank
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you for spending time with my listeners and I today
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: and identifying this problem so we can work on solutions.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Sir eight O five fifty five car Se Detox Station,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: A very happy Wednesday to you. Bottom of the hour,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Judge enter of Politana every Wednesday at eight thirty in
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the meantime, I love it when people speak truth to power,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: especially to people who have him such an impressive background.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: My next guy, doctor James Thorpe. It's a board certified obstetrician, gynecologist,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: maternal fetal medicine physician with more than forty four years
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: of obstetrical experience. He saw over twenty seven thousand, five
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: hundred high risk pregnancies in four and a half years
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: while serving one of the largest Catholic health systems, that's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: SSM Health in Saint Louis. Doctor Thorpe currently the Chief
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: of Maternal and pre Natal Health at the Wellness Company.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: He served as a reviewer for major medical journals on
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: the Board of Directors of the Society of Maternal Field Medicine,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: as an examiner for the American Board of Obstetrics and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Gynecology serves a US Air Force as a obstetrician. Gynecologists
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: testified in the US Senate under two administrations. He's active
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: in clinical research, with approximately two hundred and seventy five publications,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: of which seventy are COVID nineteen related. He is the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: author of the book we're going to talk about, and
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the name of it is Sacrificed. How the deadliest vaccine
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: in history targeted the most vulnerable Doctor James Thorpe, It
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: is a distinct pleasure to have you on the fifty
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: five KRC Morning Show.
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: Brian, thank you so much for having me on.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Well, the more we talk about, the more we learn,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: the more congressional investigations unfold, the more we learn about
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, how it was approved, and the edicts and mandates,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: the shutdowns and everything that we had to suffer through
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: during the COVID nineteen quote unquote pandemic. I guess you
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: realized at some point, since you're a obe jin, that
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: this vaccine was having a profound impact on and causing
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: complications like miscarriages, still bursts, and a lot of other
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: problems from the shots and this was among people and
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I know you point this out in your book, young
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: people who really were not vulnerable to succumbing to the disease.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: When did you start noticing a correlation, sir.
• 42:22
  Speaker 10: Well in early two thousand. I knew that they had
• 42:26
  Speaker 10: targeted pregnant women. I knew that by their actions and
• 42:31
  Speaker 10: where they were going on, by the history when it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: Was rolled out.
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: After it was rolled out in twenty twenty one, I
• 42:39
  Speaker 10: noticed disasters, obstetrical disasters like I've never seen now in
• 42:44
  Speaker 10: almost forty six years of practice.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: You say targeted. That suggests, you know, a sort of
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a nefarious motive. If this is going to happen, If
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: these these complications, and they're pretty profound ones were no
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: own to the so called powers that be, what point
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: would there be to force these vaccines recognizing the harm
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: that they were.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Going to do.
• 43:08
  Speaker 10: Right, ninety nine percent of the people that pushed the vaccine,
• 43:13
  Speaker 10: in the government, the hospitals, the pharmacies, they're ignorant and
• 43:18
  Speaker 10: they didn't know the agenda. But this is a sinister, evil,
• 43:22
  Speaker 10: global go, globalist agenda from the Oral Health Organization. All
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: the research was there, these vaccines, alleged vaccines failed miserable,
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: miserably in animal studies, killing and injuring a lot of animals.
• 43:37
  Speaker 10: These shots were never fit for human use.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, half my listening audience is now gasping
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: in disbelief because I got the vaccine. You know, my god,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: what has it done to me?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Now?
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: You were outspoken on this while this was unfolding, while
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: the vaccine mandates were in place. Did it fall on
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: deaf ears? I know you suffered with some repercussis you
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: lost your situation over this?
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: Well, listen, Brian. The three major governing bodies of the
• 44:09
  Speaker 10: entire world of obgyn are three American organizations, the American
• 44:13
  Speaker 10: College and Obstetrics and Gynecology, the American Board of Obstetrics
• 44:17
  Speaker 10: and Gynecology, and the Society for Maternal Field Medicine. They
• 44:20
  Speaker 10: were all bought off and bribed from the Department of
• 44:24
  Speaker 10: Health and Human Services in early twenty twenty one. And
• 44:29
  Speaker 10: by the way, all the hospitals were too. And this
• 44:32
  Speaker 10: is not speculation, this has proven fact. My research team
• 44:36
  Speaker 10: has published this. So they threatened sixty thousand obgyn doctors
• 44:41
  Speaker 10: with their licenses and their accreditations if they didn't follow
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: the lockstep narrative of AJHS CBC.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Again, is this like for the purposes of population control?
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I mean that immediately comes to mind because I know
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of rumor mills out there that the
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: global want to reduce the population in the world.
• 45:04
  Speaker 10: Well, I can't speak to somebody's heart and somebody's motive,
• 45:07
  Speaker 10: but I think there's very strong evidence as this was
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: rolled out by the Department of Defense, This was worked
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: on from twenty ten onwards, with proven with patents and
• 45:23
  Speaker 10: with publications. But I think that the clue of the
• 45:27
  Speaker 10: globalists have had a depopulation agenda for over fifty years,
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: and every administration has vocalized that publicly.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: So this is right. I mean, this is this global
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: reality and the fact that these vaccines are rolled out
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: across the globe and given to people, you know, very
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: young people and of course pregnant women. This is like,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, it reminds me so much of like a
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: mango experimentation, but like this was a sort of a
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: global genocide kind of thing. I mean, I'm having a difficulty.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I'm processing this, this stark reality that you were presenting
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to my listening audience, and that is in your book Sacrifice.
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: It's very stark, and it's an abomination. It's a spiritual battle.
• 46:12
  Speaker 10: This was planned and yes, over it's experts estimate over
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: a million Americans who were killed and another thirty three
• 46:23
  Speaker 10: million were injured, many of them severely. Globally, you're looking
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: at over six hundred million global citizens who were killed
• 46:34
  Speaker 10: or injured, and that's from pretty good data. Birth Rates
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: are declining in every country.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yes they are, even China. I know, we're always concerned
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: about the Chinese Communist Party. However, their birth rates are
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: dropping precipitously as well. When you were, when you were
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: noticing this and you're, you know, rolling out your findings
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: and your conclusions about the COVID nineteen vaccine, you were
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: almost a lone voice in the wilderness. Did you have
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: conversation with fellow ob jens and were they seeing the
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: same thing, and did they have any explanation for why
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: they they too, weren't outspoken and against this.
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: I did, and they were noticing it, many of them were.
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: But really understand, Brian, that the government rolled out trillions
• 47:19
  Speaker 10: of dollars to bribe every single thread of the fabric
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: of our society. Now we're talking about hospitals, every hospital
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: was given an under the table quid pro quoa contract
• 47:33
  Speaker 10: that they with millions of dollars. SSM help that fired
• 47:37
  Speaker 10: me received three hundred and six point nine million dollars,
• 47:41
  Speaker 10: and they were charged with the responsibility of enforcing that
• 47:45
  Speaker 10: in all of their employees, including their physicians and their patients,
• 47:48
  Speaker 10: and if they didn't, they would have to pay that
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: three hundred and six point nine million dollars back.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Seems so difficult. I didn't think money negated the hippocratic
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: oath doctor.
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: It does. And you know, I have more respect now
• 48:02
  Speaker 10: for many other professionals or trade individuals. I have much
• 48:11
  Speaker 10: more respect for attorneys now than I do physicians. I've
• 48:14
  Speaker 10: lost all my respect for physicians. They were all abought.
• 48:17
  Speaker 10: You never break the gold in the rule of pregnancy.
• 48:20
  Speaker 10: And I don't care that the American College of Obstetricians
• 48:24
  Speaker 10: and Gytecologists dribe sixty thousand obgyn doctors. I don't care
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: about that. That's no excuse. Your hipocratic oath is sacred.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Well, that was my understanding. Always do no harm now
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: it also it seems to me destroying an element of
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the practice of medicine generally speaking. You know you're supposed
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: to be a diagnostician, and you're supposed to exercise your
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: medical expertise and come up with perhaps alternative solutions to
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: the one solution that's being offered. And I know ivermectin
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: was pooh poohed by a lot, and we found out
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that that actually had some positive effects on people, and
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: they would even fill ivermectin prescriptions at pharmacies. Pharmacies wouldn't
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: do it because I guess for the same reasons you're
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: articulating now, they were worried about losing their pharmacy license.
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: Yes, absolutely, we published an article six months ago my
• 49:15
  Speaker 10: research team, including a very sharp crack attorney Maggie Thorpe
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: JD and Yes, GDS and Walgreens took over two billion
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: dollars to push the draconian COVID nineteen narratives, to push
• 49:33
  Speaker 10: the vaccines and to gaslight and not fill prescriptions from
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: physicians for ivermectin or for hydroxy clerkland. And by the way, Brian,
• 49:45
  Speaker 10: we've been using hydroxy clerk wind in pregnancy, recommended by
• 49:50
  Speaker 10: the FDA for over forty five years of political practice.
• 49:55
  Speaker 10: I've used it in women that have autown indices, so
• 49:58
  Speaker 10: it's been used in all trimesters and breastfeeding women safely
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: for half a century.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Wow, And then going back to being the diagnostician me,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: off label use of drugs occurs all the time, and
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: that's sort of what it would be. I know it's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: for this, but we're going to try it out on
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: COVID nineteen because some of the research suggests it can
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: be beneficial. We know it's safe for you because we've
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: been prescribing this medication for decades, and why not give
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: it a shot. I mean, physicians do that every single day,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: with the exception of this.
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: You're one hundred percent correct.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Doctor Thorpe. I guess do you feel in any way
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: vindicated with the research that's coming out which confirms everything
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you're telling my listening audience this morning that you document
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and document in the book Sacrifice.
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: I feel vindicated, but it's not about me. I feel
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: I knew I was right from the beginning. It was
• 50:54
  Speaker 10: anybody could have done the same research I did. I
• 50:57
  Speaker 10: looked at primarily Pfizer data, in government data. It's yeah,
• 51:02
  Speaker 10: I feel vindicated, but this is a horrible tragedy because
• 51:06
  Speaker 10: the death and the destruction in the most vulnerable patients.
• 51:10
  Speaker 10: My patients globally pregnant women, preborns, and newborns that can
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: never be taken back, and that hurts. I'm an mpath
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: and I have suffered greatly in living through this, and
• 51:24
  Speaker 10: I'll take it to my grave.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Well, we testified in twenty twenty two with Senator Ron Johnson.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Was it on this topic? And if so, I guess
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of wondering what the reaction from the senators
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: you were speaking with was they did they dismiss your
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: conclusions and your findings because your background is remarkable. I mean,
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: no one can criticize your street credibility with all. I mean,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: you reviewed major medical journals when you were with the
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Society of Maternal Feet of Medicine and with American Board
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of Obstetrics and Gynecology. Obviously they had a large measure
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: of respect for you. You wouldn't have reached those lofty positions.
• 51:58
  Speaker 10: Correct The Senator round Johnson and the Senate received very well.
• 52:05
  Speaker 10: And that's exactly what I testified on in my wheelhouse.
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: I testified on the catastrophic effects on the COVID nineteen
• 52:14
  Speaker 10: alleged vaccine in pregnancy. Absolutely, it was well received well.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: In terms of in this you were talking about, you know,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: the fetuses, and when the woman who's carrying the babies
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: you got the vaccine. Obviously that impacts the fetus. Have
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: you been following the broader impacts, because it seems right
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: after COVID got real COVID nineteen vaccine I rolled out,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: we've got a bunch of young people in eighteen nineteen
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: twenty year olds collapsing and having massive heart attacks and
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: other complications. Is there a corollarya between the vaccine and
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: those incidents?
• 52:46
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, yes, you know, and I think that many different
• 52:51
  Speaker 10: experts and experts with very varied fields of expertiefs have
• 52:58
  Speaker 10: shown that from many different angles the data is irrefutable.
• 53:03
  Speaker 10: Now there's been an avalanche of data. It's a disaster,
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: but the band plays on as on the Titanic sinking.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll have we got bird flu to worry
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: about now. So there's going to be a bird flu
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: vaccine rolling out and we need to go I see,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and that this I think probably did a lot of
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: damage to the medical profession, of course, and into the
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: credibility of our government officials. We find all this out
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: late in the game, knowing now as we do with
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: the documents and the information that's been produced that they
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: knew about these complications and problems and yet forced it
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: on us. Anyway, if something else really comes down the road,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: another legitimate, you know, pandemic, and let's say they had
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: a safe vaccine for it, I think a lot of
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: folks are going to take a pass on it because
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: their credibility has been shot to hell.
• 53:48
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, and you know it should be. And listen, we've
• 53:53
  Speaker 10: won the battle in the sense of you know, last year, Brian, listen,
• 53:57
  Speaker 10: one percent of the American people, one percent of the
• 54:00
  Speaker 10: American people took actually took the COVID nineteen vaccine. They
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: knew all of these daily ad blitzes from our government
• 54:09
  Speaker 10: were lives. So but this is how the government in
• 54:14
  Speaker 10: the history, in world history, this is how the government
• 54:18
  Speaker 10: gains control of the population by fear tactics. I'm on
• 54:22
  Speaker 10: the board of directors of the Wellness Company. The Wellness
• 54:27
  Speaker 10: Company is a parallel healthcare system, and we are combatting
• 54:31
  Speaker 10: this H five and one or the avan flu that's
• 54:35
  Speaker 10: a gain of function. They've been doing gain of function
• 54:38
  Speaker 10: research and we have medications that are combating this. This
• 54:43
  Speaker 10: is a company, a privately owned company, it's doing remarkably well.
• 54:48
  Speaker 10: We have several medical kits that will provide at home
• 54:55
  Speaker 10: life saving prescription drugs, stockpile at home that you need
• 55:00
  Speaker 10: because your government doesn't care about killing you or injuring you.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it's one of those things, Doctor Thorpe,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: you just really find so impossible to believe. And you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: think the powers that be that they don't have your
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: best interests at heart, and they're willing to engage in this, well,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I would call mass genocide for their own personal viewpoints,
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: of their own personal gain. I'm just shocked and in
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: awe about this, Doctor James Thorp, again, thank you so
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: much for speaking truth to power on this and I'll
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: encourage my listeners. And I know you've already probably sold
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: a few books while we were talking. Sacrifice, How the
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most vulnerable by doctor
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: James Thorp, my guest today. God bless you, sir, and
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I appreciate what you got. Yeah, go ahead.
• 55:45
  Speaker 10: I just say that every dime of this book is
• 55:48
  Speaker 10: being matched by the Wellness Company in a five oh
• 55:51
  Speaker 10: one C three and every single dime will go to
• 55:55
  Speaker 10: those vaccine injured COVID nineteen vaccine injured. Thank you so
• 55:59
  Speaker 10: much much for having me on, Brian.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: My true pleasure, Doctor James Thorpe. It's like making a
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: charitable contribution and you get a book in return, So
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: go ahead and do that, folks. It'll be available right
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: there at fifty five cars dot Com. Joe's got a
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: link to the book already. Thanks you again, doctor James Thorpe.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Joining the fifty five CASEE Morning Show. Frank Abrams a
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney in North Carolina as well as Florida's
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: practiced in federal state criminal law for thirty eight plus years.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: He's been on public radio and court TV, and he
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: is an author and today we're welcoming to the fifty
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: five Cars Morning Show to talk about his book, The
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Cock Fight. And I observe Frank, and it's a pleasure
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: to have you on the program. It's been long stated
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the law holds it as better the ten guilty persons
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: escape than one innocent suffer. I'm a firm believer in that,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: and there was a time in my life, Frank, that
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: I believed in the death penalty. But as I've gotten
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: coming older and wiser and having practice litigation for sixteen years.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I am painfully aware of the fact that quite often,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: well maybe not often, but sometimes innocent people are convicted.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: And if the state has the ability to take your
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: life from you, that's a scary proposition. Welcome Frank, Sorry
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: for being long winded.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: Oh no, it's an honor and a pleasure, and you
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: are one hundred percent on point, Brian. So can I
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: tell you a little bit about how this book came about?
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Plus explain the title for my listeners so they
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: understand the relationship.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: Okay, the title of the book is The cock Fight.
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: So one day I'm sitting at federal court. This is
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: a few years back, and it comes to my attention
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: and the attention that's some other attorneys that there's a
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: Kentucky crime lab that has been mishandling DNA. So, Brian,
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: I thought to myself, what could go wrong there? So
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: that's when I started.
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's when I.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Started writing the book. It gets even better, but I
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: started writing the book. The main character of my book
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: is a teacher of the Year who's falsely accused of
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: a relationship with a student, loses everything he has and
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: is living under a bridge with homeless people. Now, why
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: is it called the cock fight? The answer is because
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: every third Friday of the month under this bridge they
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: have cock fights. Why because the basis of the book
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: is they treat animals the same way fighting roosters the
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: same way they treat people. They make them mean and
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: angry towards each other, and then they make money in
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: the whole unholy process.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed out the money thing, because I
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: had that line in the notes circled for this reason, because,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: as you know from my comments introducing you, having practice
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: litigation and eight years in Chicago and eight years in
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: house with a healthcare company, I know how expensive retaining
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: a lawyer is. I mean outrageous amounts of money. You're
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: talking several hundred at minimum dollars an hour. And if
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: you get falsely accused of a crime or accused of
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: a crime, generally speaking, you have to get a defense
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: attorney unless you rely on the public defender. And I
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: will welcome your observations about the competency of the Public
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Defender's office, but they tend to be overwhelmed with a
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: number of cases they had so to get competent counsel.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: It's coming out of your pocket. And for those the
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: moneys that don't have a lot of money, it's an
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: impossible chore.
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: Abbssolutely.
• 59:33
  Speaker 6: Public.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: Defender's offices across the country are utterly overwhelmed. They don't
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: have the time, they don't have the resources. But this
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: even gets better because yesterday in the news came out
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: a story that a crime lab analyst altered DNA evidence
• 59:58
  Speaker 5: in hundreds of care in Colorado. Yesterday's news, it's like
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: they knew, Brian, that I was going to be interviewed
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: by you today.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: It's like they knew why. And no, the timing is excellent,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: Frank Butt, Why would they do that?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: Well, here's the thing I wrote. I wrote in my
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: book of the story of this teacher's fight to clear
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: his name and all that he has to go through.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: And in it, I have a hearing and a trial
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: and there's eight potential eight reasons, eight things more than
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: eight actually that can go wrong, and a lot of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: it has to do with time elements. These lab analysts
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 5: are told, we want these results, we want them now.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: There's hundreds and hundreds of cases they'll fudge results. There's
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: evidence in that particular case, she was indicted for over
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: a hundred plus cases that she dealt with. You know,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: I can't say why people do things, but I know
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: this that it happens. And when the system, when someone's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: life and someone's freedom is at stake, there has to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: be more than just oh, well, we have this test
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: and we're going to absolutely rely on the results of
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: this test.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: That's a great point, Frank. I think there's a sort
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: of perhaps it's a you know, presumably a government employee
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: or some lab They don't have any relationship to defend it.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's a presumption of guilt because they've been charged,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: so they have a lack of care and concern that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: they should sort of put themselves in the position of
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: the person who's a defendant and do the job correctly
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: and be able to testify on the stand that everything
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: every eye was dotted and tea was crossed, because lives
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: are at stake here. But it's like taxpayer dollars. You know,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: the government doesn't care where the dollars come from. They
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: don't have any incentive to be, you know, mindful of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: where the money's going because they have this open spigot,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and that creates well, lack of care and concern. Same
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: kind of parallel.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: Boy, Brian, have you hit it? And let me say that,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: let me say this you want to talk about, you know,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: they talk about weaponizing the justice Department against you know people.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: If you want to see the weaponization of the justice point,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: you ought to see how it's been weaponized against regular
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: people and people who just can't afford to pay for
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: expensive attorneys, and people who just don't have the resources.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: And now, of course we're in days of budgetary restraint,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: as we always have. So you know, good luck getting
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: the court to approve money and say things like, well,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: you know, we're going to go ahead and do another test,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: even though you've already had a test and your results
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 5: have been tested in my book, the individual asks for
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: another test, but it's rejected. It's rejected, and in federal
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: courts they have something across the country called rocket dockets,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: and so it's like this, well, guess what, we don't
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: have time to do another test. There's not going to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: be the money given to do another test, and guess what,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 5: you don't be in trial on Monday.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 12: So so you.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: See, yeah, yeah, yeah, well in this system, I didn't
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: practice I didn't practice criminal law, and I understand where
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: you're coming from though, because you know, when you're preparing
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: for a trial, you have a lot of work on
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: your plate, and when and you're a criminal defendant, a
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, you know again your client's life is
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: in your hands. I dealt with money matters, and of
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: course that really is significant to your client, but lives
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: aren't at stake, and so I feel for you, Frank,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: I really do. In the book It's the Cockfight, it's
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five Carosea dot com. I'm
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: my guests today, Frank Abrams. I appreciate your passion on
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: this subject. It's something near and dear to my heart. Frank,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: it's been great having you on the program. I appreciate
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: you sharing your time and with our listeners and documenting this.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: And it is a work of fiction, but Frank will
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: tell you all day long, this is all based on
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: reality and real quick Frank, in terms of being a
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: defense attorney, if I wanted a separate DNA test because
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I had suspicions about the one that was presented by
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: the prosecuting attorney, how much would it cost me as
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a separate line item on the legal bill.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: Well, first of all, typically they take it takes quite
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: a long time to do, but it would be in
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: the many thousands of dollars, at least three or four
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars. And you're going to have to go ahead,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: basically and also retain an expert regarding that oh WO
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: to show that the first test had flaws. So take
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: a guess what that's gone about?
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Eight hundred plus dollars an hour?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, eight hundred plus. You know what in it
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: has been to talk to you. It has just been
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: such an honor to be interviewed. And this book I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: wrote came from my heart.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I know it did.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: And people seem to like this because this is a
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: book that tells it like it is well.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: And again you're outlining in this work of fiction real
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: parallels to real life and again supporting my argument that
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: there should be no death penalty from the state. Frank,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: keep up the great work. Thanks for joining me on
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: the morning show, and I'll recomend my listeners go to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: fifty five Carscy dot com and get a copy of
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: your book, The Cockfight, And welcome to fifty five Cassy
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Morning Show. Marion Ben's who is a we'll still call
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: her a local author. We won't hold it again. There's
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: the Cincinnaia native. But she did move to Atlanta in
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: the nineties with her husband and family. But she is
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: a local author and she wrote a book. It's called
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: You Were Still Dancing, The Unforgettable Journey through Alzheimer's. Marion
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Ben's welcome to the Morning Show. It's great to have
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: you on my program.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: Thanks Brian, and I appreciate the introduction.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Well, you're more than welcome. I just give my little
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: readers a foundation so they know it's a local author.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: I like to support local authors. I think it's really
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: kind of neat that we've gotten them in the audience
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: because there's some really talented folks out there. But your
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: book about Alzheimer's and sadly you were. How old were
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: you when your grandmother experiences the challenge presented by Alzheimer's.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 13: I was probably sixteen, mid teens, I would say. I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 13: was still living at home and my grandmother. When my
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 13: grandmother was diagnosed, she came to live with my family.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 13: At that time, there were six kids. In the time,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 13: there were just two of us left, myself and my
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 13: brother Kevin, so Maul moved in. They looked at nursing
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 13: homes and small, small family homes my mom and her sister,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 13: but they just couldn't come to an agreement on where
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 13: to leave her, and my mom just she wanted her
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 13: with us, so my grandmother moved it well.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Having lived through this with my father struggling with Alzheimer's
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: dimension I ultimately ended his life. The challenge is presented
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: by having to care for a loved one, and not
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: just the emotional component, which is obviously overwhelming, but my
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: mom was just run down to the point of exhaustion
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: because you know, it's a literal twenty four hour day,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: seven day a week proposition dealing with the challenges these
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: folks struggle with.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 9: Right, you know, And that was my mom was also
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: working part time, you know, I remember I was in
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: my summers, I was a camp counselor. And during one
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: of these years that my grandma was with us, I
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 9: came back in the fall and my mom had aged overnight.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: And it was so dramatic for me and traumatic to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: see that just in the short ten weeks when I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 9: was gone, how much she had changed. And you don't
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 9: realize it. I wasn't the primary caregiver, you know, I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 9: was witnessing what was going on, but you don't take
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: the full blunt of caregiving. As a teenager, even I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 9: would help mom, or we would shit my brother and
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: I would sit with mal so mom and dad could
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 9: go out. But it is absolutely a life changing aging
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 9: process for the caregiver. And you know that's why I,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: you know, encourage people who talk to me who are
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 9: going through it to basically to take your oxygen first,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 9: to take care of yourself, to make sure that you're
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 9: eating right. You know, of all the research I did
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 9: for this book, it's the Mediterranean diet is the one
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 9: diet that just kept popping up kind of went to
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: the top of diets for people, not just to prevent Alzheimer's,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: but just to lead.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 14: A healthier lifestyle.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 9: And that's one of the things that you know, I
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: would recommend that sleep, exercise, and in some form of
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: just clearing your mind. I meditated, you know. And another
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: really important thing is just taking people up on it,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: on the offer to sit with your loved one or
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 9: finding someone who will sitting with their life, or paying
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 9: someone just sit with your life, because you need to
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 9: get away.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 12: Definitely, you need.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 9: To just step back from it. And even if you're
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: just going outside and taking a small walk and just
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 9: breathing the fresh air. Well, but it's just all encompassing.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Mary and Ben's author of you were still dancing. This
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Alzheimer's situation, though, developed further because once your grandmother, I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: guess it was it after she passed that your mother
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: came down with the symptoms of Alzheimer's.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: Yes, yes, my grandmother passed, and you know it was
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: it was another I would say fifteen twenty years when
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 9: started showing the signs, but she actually you know, Alzheimer's
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 9: is now known to begin in the brain twenty you know,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: two decades before the symptoms first appear. So while we're
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 9: out living our lives, there's a lot going on inside
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 9: our head that you know, we don't know about now. Now,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 9: there is early testing if you're brave enough to do it,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 9: and I haven't done that yet, but I have friends
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: that have, and I think you really have to be
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: careful to make sure that you have the personality that
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: can handle that. Maybe you have an increased risk of
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 9: developing Alzheimer's. I know myself if I forgot a word,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 9: which I sometimes do. Yeah, the first place to know
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: is I'm getting Alzheimer's and just the bandits that might follow.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: Out, Oh my god, Mary and Ben I have the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: exact same reaction. You know, I'll be sixty in September
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: and I like to just pass it. I was like, jeez, Frie,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: you're getting old. It's not as sharp as you used
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: to be. And I'm struggling to find a word. But
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: then again, I immediately think of my father, and yes,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: it's unsettling, to say the least.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: So it is good.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 9: In the absence of a cure, and there is none,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 9: right now, that's I think you really have to weigh
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 9: whether you can handle knowing that you have a greater chance. Now,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 9: of course you can go back to all the things
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 9: what do I need to do to prevent it? But
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: you still have to know if you have the mindset
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 9: that can you know, not go to tural places whenever
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 9: you know, we're my keys, or you know, you walk
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 9: into a room and what did.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 12: I come in here for?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 9: And I think that we all do it to some extent.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 9: So when you have a history in your family, it's
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 9: easy to go there, and then it's easy to kind
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 9: of become consumed by its. Yeah, that's the you know,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: just to try to not go there.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Actually I can see it bringing on full blown
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: depression if you, I mean, if you, if you're dwelling
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: on it enough. It's just it's terrib because the disease
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: is insidious. I mean it. I actually, and I don't
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: know this. That sounded like disrespect for my dad or
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: that I was happy he died, But what a weight
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: was looked that he was miserable, He didn't know who
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: anybody was. He laid in his bed and had no function,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: you know, no control over his bowels, which is obviously
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: a common problem in these situations, which is one of
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: the reasons why you're tending to someone twenty four to seven. Uh,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: it's it's just he I knew he was in a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: better place, that he was released.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: Right exactly. And and I and I believe that's the word.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: And that's how I feel thought my grandmother, I felt
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: like she has just let go, she was released. And
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: I think that's just such a nice way to look
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 9: at it. It really helps if you if you it
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 9: depends on you know, where you come from spiritually. But
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 9: but if you do believe that we are you know,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 9: we are our soul encompasses are body or however you
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: look at it, you know, to be released from those chains,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 9: and they really do hold you down when you have
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 9: a disease such as Alzheimer's.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're faced with Alzheimer's in your family, what,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: having lived this now two times, you obviously saw it all,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: what do you recommend people to do in terms of
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: dealing with this challenge and maintain some sort of I
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: know you mentioned the exercise and taking walks and all
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: that related to caregiving, because it is exhausting, But what
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: about just coping with the general reality that they're living with.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 9: What are your recommendations the reality that that caregiver lives
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: with or the reality that the patient lives.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: With, no the caregiver. I was thinking more of the caregiver,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: because quite often the patient themselves loses any sense of
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: recollection or even ability to recognize you as a as
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: a relative.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 9: Right, you know. So for myself personally, I do and
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: I think about it every day. That's the first thing.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 9: I Alzheimer's is no more than a couple of degrees
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 9: away from, you know, my thought process. Wherever I am,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 9: I do believe strongly in a one meditation. I know
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 9: I spoke with that earlier, but I can't emphasize that
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 9: enough to even go into like a deep breathing clearing
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: your mind, just kind of setting the tone for the day,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 9: as you you know, get I believe that I always
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 9: start my day with exercise, some form of yoga, some
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 9: form of our Wilbek exercise, and just try to you know,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 9: give my body the best chance I can to keep
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: from you know, the problem with Alzheimer's, it's not a problem.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: That issue with Alzheimer's is that Alzheimer's is very much
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 9: like any other disease that affects the heart right. So
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 9: if you have high blood pressure, if you have high cholesterol,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: those those need to be recognized and then they need
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: to be taken care of broad under control, whatever means
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 9: that is. I am on a statin. I you know,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 9: I don't feel like I should be on a statins
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 9: because I'm in states, and I eat right, and I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: exercise and I try to do all the right things.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 9: But apparently genetically I'm predisposed to having high cholesterol. Yeah,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 9: tried my doctor ride to you know, do it you know,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: with diet, do it with exercise. You gave me a
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 9: lot of time.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Well, let me strongly encourage you to look into bioidentical
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: hormone replacement therapy, which is what the Europeans do to
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: solve the cholesterol problem. Plus it really makes you feel good,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: I mean really good. So Okay, bioidentical hormone replacement therapy.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: May your hormones could be out of balance, low estrogen,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: low tester and whatever, what a testoster, whatever happens to be.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: But if you do some research on it, they don't
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: use statins in Europe from what I've been told by
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: physicians that I deal with. So just a thought, but
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: it also deals with a whole bunch of other problems,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: you know, metapausal problems, and you know sexual desire, and
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: uh just it's it's it's kind of magical, if I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: may be so bold as to say so, maryon Ben's
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: But now, I guess this book is recommended for anybody
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: who is dealing with the realities of Alzheimer's, anybody who's
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: got a family member or a loved one or a
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: friend who's struggling with the disease. Thoughts, comments, and how
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: to deal and cope with it all. In the book,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: you were still dancing an unforgettable journey through Alzheimer's by
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: ours Still we'll call her local author Mary and Ben's Marian.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks for putting this down and I checked on Amazon.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody loves it. You got a five star review there
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: and it came out June of last year. So people
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: can get a copy of your book on my blog
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: page of fifty five KRC dot com and I'll encourage
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: them to do that.
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  Speaker 9: I really appreciate that, and I do think it's her
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: going to say the process.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and prayers to everybody who has to deal with it.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: It's not a fun process. Mary, and you have a
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: wonderful Valentine's Day and a great weekend. And I'll encourage
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: my listeners to pick up a copy of your book
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: over my blog page fifty five KRC dot com. Take
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: care and thanks for your time.
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  Speaker 4: This morning.
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  Speaker 1: Eight o six a fifty five krcd Talks Nation. A
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  Speaker 1: very happy Friday Eve to you him Please to welcome
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  Speaker 1: to fifty five CARCA Mornings. I'm an next guest author,
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  Speaker 1: Michael Walls. She has written quite a few books Last
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: stand You probably read quite a few of them. Author
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: of Last Stands, more than fifteen other novels and nonfiction book.
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  Speaker 1: Classical music critic for Time Magazine at one point received
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  Speaker 1: the two thousand and four American Book Awards Prize for
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  Speaker 1: Fiction for his gangster novel There's Another One You Can
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Read and All the Saints. He wrote popular columns from
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: National Review, which he used under a pseudonym to put
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: into the book Rules for Radical Conservatives. There's One for You,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: and his other books Devil's Pleasure and The Fiery Angel
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: are examples of the enemy heroes and triumphs and struggles
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: of Western civilization, which allows us to pivot over to
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  Speaker 1: the book. Talking about today, his new book, A Rage
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  Speaker 1: to Conquer Twelve Battles that change the course of Western History.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Walsh, Welcome to the Morning Show. It's a real
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  Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on today.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Brian.
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  Speaker 1: So, there are a lot more than twelve battles, and
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  Speaker 1: I suppose a lot of them could have impacted Western history.
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  Speaker 1: First off, what interested you in this topic? And then
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  Speaker 1: how did you whittle all of the wars that have
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  Speaker 1: been waged by man over the years down to the
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  Speaker 1: twelve that you selected.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've been very interested in military history my whole life.
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  Speaker 2: I was born actually on the Marine Corps base in
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Campleyshire in North Carolina, and my father was a Marine
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: officer who fought in Korea and elsewhere. So that's part
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  Speaker 2: of my upbringing. And as you mentioned, I read a
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  Speaker 2: book called Last Stance four years ago which was quite successful,
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  Speaker 2: and that examined why men fight when everything seems to
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: be lost, but they don't cut and around, they fight.
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  Speaker 2: So this book is an outgrowth of that book, and
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to look at twelve Battles and the commanders
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  Speaker 2: who led them to talk about masculinity again and talk
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  Speaker 2: about what it takes to be successful at what is,
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately one of the most fundamental human endeavors there is,
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  Speaker 2: which is warfare.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I want to approach this sort of in reverse order,
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  Speaker 1: and we could start with the Trojan War and Achilles,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm very interested in talking with you about. But
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  Speaker 1: the last one, the most recent challenge, the Battle of
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  Speaker 1: nine to eleven and how it was ultimately lost by
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  Speaker 1: the United States. Would you put a little more flesh
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  Speaker 1: on the bones of that conclusion. I think I get
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  Speaker 1: your point, but that was just my attention gravitated toward
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  Speaker 1: that considering it wasn't, you know, a traditional form of
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: warfare unless you look at sort of maybe our invasion
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  Speaker 1: of Iraq.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's turned out to the most controversial part of
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: the book. And I remember when an author it's a book,
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  Speaker 2: he's finished the text about a year before it comes out.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not like blogging or anything. It's it's you
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  Speaker 2: have to consider this well in advance and try to
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: figure out what readers are going to be interested in.
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  Speaker 2: But nine to eleven struck me as an example of
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  Speaker 2: a commander President Bush who didn't understand the rules of
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  Speaker 2: warfare and didn't have the stomach to fight the battle
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  Speaker 2: that needed to be fought, unlike all the other guys
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  Speaker 2: in the book, which include you mentioned Achilles, who's you know,
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  Speaker 2: quasi fictional, but obviously it's based on somebody real wayback when.
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  Speaker 2: But Caesar and Constantine the Great and General Patten and
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  Speaker 2: the other people I talk about. And so as a result,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't really believe that war was declared on us.
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  Speaker 2: And if you think we won the Battle of nine
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  Speaker 2: to eleven, go to the airport and see.
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  Speaker 1: If that's a great point. You know, behind all this,
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  Speaker 1: the whole idea of warfare Michael. I'm a profound constitutionalist,
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  Speaker 1: little l libertarian, am I. But we end up launching
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  Speaker 1: missiles and dropping bombs and taking people out in foreign
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  Speaker 1: lands against him. We have no declaration of war. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, with technology being pervasive, more and more foreign
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  Speaker 1: actors and folks that we might not consider friendly to
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: us have that technology and could equally do the same
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  Speaker 1: thing to us that we're doing to them. Congress never
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  Speaker 1: declares war. You get an authorization, you use a military
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  Speaker 1: force to deal with nine to eleven, and it ends
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  Speaker 1: up lasting twenty plus years to serve as a justification
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  Speaker 1: for conflicts literally everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's disgraceful. It's part of the forever war mindset,
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  Speaker 2: which is true of people at both parties, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: And if you don't think so, just look at one
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  Speaker 2: of the senators from South Carolina, John Love Childs, who
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: never saw war. He personally didn't want to fight in,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: but didn't want somebody.
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  Speaker 4: Else to fight in.
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  Speaker 2: The fact is that we got were declared on us,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: and we simply refused to accept it. So this event happened,
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  Speaker 2: and then we refused to address the issue, and we
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: went to other countries which had little or nothing to
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  Speaker 2: do with it, h tut to twenty some years later,
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  Speaker 2: and we even immediately pull out of Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 4: It was a disgrace. And that's what I said in
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  Speaker 4: the book.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think you're probably in good company with my
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: listening audience on those conclusions, sir. Now back to Achilles again.
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  Speaker 1: One of the reasons I was drawn to that is
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: because there is a lot of fictional element associated with Achilles,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: like the Achilles heel story. But what was his importance?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Is it Ilium?
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  Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, said Troy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. The Iliad, which is one of the foundation of
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: great poem, along with the Odyssey of Western culture, talks
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: about something that we now know happened. We're not sure
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: to what a stenate did, and Homer comes down to
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: us himself as a semi mystical figure, but something happened there.
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  Speaker 2: But what's great about the earli End, First of all,
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  Speaker 2: it's a great, great work of art, and secondly, it
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  Speaker 2: does describe in graphic and gruesome detail how warfare was
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  Speaker 2: conducted around roughly one thousand BC uh and that is
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of the.
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  Speaker 4: West's first clash with the East.
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  Speaker 2: So the obviously the Greeks were on the western side
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: of this divide and the Trojans Troy is now and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: where western Turkey is they were the East. And this
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: is a theme that runs throughout Western history. Alexander's fight,
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Alexander's fighting the Persians. There's this constant battle within Rome
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: against the Parthians. Wore also sort of quasei Persians. It
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: was just one of the threads of the book. But
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: you have to start with the very first war story
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  Speaker 2: and that's.
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  Speaker 1: It understood, and fast forward over to the Crusades, the
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: first Cruqade, Crusades.
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  Speaker 4: Bohemond, Yes, yeah, no one has heard of Beaulamonte except for.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: The first time, sir, this is it man, I've just
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: been introduced to Bauhemont.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's an amazing figure and he is the hero
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: of this particular chapter because he won two critical battles
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: in the first Crusade, which was recalled by the Pope
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: in response to the Byzantine Emperor, the emperor of the
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: eastern part of the old Roman Emperor Empire to liberate
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: the holy sites of Christianity. So this was in the
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: very late eleventh century and Beauma was a great, big Norman.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: The Normans had just conquered England like thirty years before,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: and many of the Normans joined the Crusade and went
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: to the Holy Land to fight. And Beaumont himself was
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: a Norman from southerns had conquered the lower part of
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Italy and Sicily and ruled it for many, many years.
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  Speaker 2: So Beaumont led his troops, and he was a giant
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: of a man. He was a tactical genius and was
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: able to stave off defeat in the very first battle the.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: Crusaders fought against the Turks, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Was able to win and keep the whole siege of
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: Antioch and caused that city which was crucial to the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: path to Jerusalem, which he then took for himself. And
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: he kind of drops out of the Crusading narrative. But
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: in two places he really stepped up and shows the
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: superiority of Western arms and also the size. The Franks
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: were much bigger than the Turks, and.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: They had a problem.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: The Turks were very mobile, kind of like American Indians
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: against the cowboys or the cavalry and the American West
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: that come in, shoot run away, come in, shoot run away,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: and the Crusaders were frustrated. They could ever get their
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: hands on them. Well, Bowman finally did, and uh fended
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: off this ambush. They could have ended the crusade at
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: a little place called Dora Lam and then regrouped and
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: they marched all the way to Antioch, and in a
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: brilliant siege, took Antioch against vastly, vastly superior numbers.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Now, in terms of the crusades, you said, the Pope
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: issued this, you know, request, and everybody needs to go
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: there to help out. And I understand this was was
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: it largely viewed by people as a legitimate, you know,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: calling from God like that this this was a necessary
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: religious thing to do, because you know, over the years,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation that, well, now there's just
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: a bunch of Europeans that wanted to go plunder and
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: and look for treasure as opposed to liberate the country.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's an answer for that, which is, but
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: the first crusade was successful. Most of them went home.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: They didn't stay. Himself was a Lackland who took part
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: of the turf that was conquered, and so do the others.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: But most of them went home. And a point I
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: make over and over again in the book is that
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: almost all these wars have some religious component, and from
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: the earliest time, success in war was contributed to your God,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: and failure meant that you had not lived up to
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: the demands of your God. You hadn't prayed hard enough,
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: sacrificed hard enough, you had you lost because of insufficient fabelity.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: This is a constant theme throughout Western history. It's very
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: very interesting and.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: It makes sense. You know, if you believe in a
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: supreme power and you're beholden to them, and you actually
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: have a belief system that involves you know, God and
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: acts of God, then yeah, you're going to step up
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: to the play because basically your soul is contingent upon
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: it where you're going to end up in the afterlife, right.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, you also got a complete remission of sins
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: if you went on the cruise. That was part of
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: the deal. And also the what's interesting is the Church
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: guaranteed your property because the Church was the only power,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: you know, the Roman Empire having fallen five hundred years earlier,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: six hundred years earlier. Uh, and you were immune from
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: lawsuits and there was there was a bunch of upside.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: A lot of them died on the group trip France
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: and what's now Germany. Uh, all the way to the east,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: to the eastern edge of the Mediterranean. But there were
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: some some bennies shall we say, uh with it. But
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: I would say it was mostly fueled by religious ardor.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: And that was true with the Muslim side too. They
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: believed in the prophet. They were they were undefeated up
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: to that point. They had never encountered any opposition that
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: stood up. They rolled through the remnants of the Roman Empire,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: they rolled over Persia, conquered Iran, Islamic sized Iran.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 11: Uh.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: They were they were used to success. And the first
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: time they came up against the Franks and got walked
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: and they were uh. It taught them something to and
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: And this war, now, that particular war has been going
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: on for a thousand plus years. That's the Israel Godza conflict.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: That's where that starts.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: It's amazing that that has been raging for that long.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: And you did bring up the travel I was going
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: to ask you about that in terms of the the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: the crusades, that that distance in the time it would
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: take to get from point A to point B to
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: fight and then come back home. I'm just I suppose
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: that we're still under a feudal system then, correct.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, more or less, the kings of Europe had not
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: really quite emerged yet. So what that's called the Princess
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Crusade because remember, there's no France, there is no Germany
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  Speaker 2: right as we know it.
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  Speaker 4: So these were little princelings.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Of various little principalities around Europe that that got together
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: and organized an army, and they had specific leaders and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: they accomplished it. It's an amazing logistical feat when you
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  Speaker 2: stop to think about it, that they came all that
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  Speaker 2: way by lands and sea, over a terrible terrain, and
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: lost a lot of their people, but they just kept going.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: And there were times they didn't want to go, but
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: they felt they had to go, and so they seized
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: upon any sign that God was with them, most famously
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: at Antioch, where they were getting they were having a
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: very hard time with the giant Turkish army, and then
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: one of them discovered what he purported to be the
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Holy the tip of the Holy Spirit that had pierced
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Christ's side at the time of the crucifixion, and using
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: this rusty piece of iron, they went into battle holding
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: it up and won. So naturally they thought God was
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: on their side. At the Crusader motto was deuslovul God
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: wills it and they would shout at us, they would
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: move into battle.
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  Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff. Fascinating stuff. Michael Walsh, the name of the book,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: A Raged to Conquer Twelve battles that changed the course
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: of Western history. Michael, what we've done for you? And
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: I'm for my listeners primarily because they're gonna want to
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: get a copy of the book. It's on my blog
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: page of fifty five carosee dot com. My listeners know
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: where to go and get a copy of the book.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: There's a link to where to buy it. And it's
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: well received on Amazon and if a fascinating range of
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: topics again from the Trojan War all the way through
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: the nine to eleven. I appreciate you talking with my
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: listeners of me today, Michael, and spending some time here.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: And thanks for writing the book and documenting this important history.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: I'm happy to welcome to the fifty five Case Morning Show.
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  Speaker 1: Shiloh creed Day's an American author. He's written under a
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: multiple pen names. He has sold over one point four
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: million books. He's received multiple Gold medals for novels and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: been a best selling many times over author. Today, we're
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be talking about the book Plunged the Three Worlds.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: It's book one Three Worlds described as Christian sci fi series. Shiloh,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the fifty five CARSEEE Morning Show. Thanks for
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: showing up.
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  Speaker 15: Hey, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm confused Christian side fi series. That's sort of
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: an interesting melding of mediums, I guess. Or I'm just
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how Christianity and science fiction go
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: hand in hand. Obviously that's what the book is all about.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: But how did you get the inspiration for this particular
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: book and the idea of merging sci fi and christian theme.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 15: Well, it's been a long journey. I've written thirty eight novels,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 15: but this one has been over ten years in the making,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 15: so I've had a lot of revisions and it's been
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 15: quite a journey. But you know, have you ever heard
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 15: of the Philadelphia Project?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so we go there too. So a
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 15: big part of the book is kind of based on
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 15: the Philadelphia Project, which is considered a conspiracy theory, I
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 15: guess now, So yeah, we've got conspiracy theories sci fi
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 15: and spiritual thriller all wrapped up into one. So Plunge
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 15: is the story of Jacob Carter who is forced into
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 15: a military experience which causes him to jump into the
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 15: spiritual side of our world, where instead of seeing the physical,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 15: he's actually experiencing spiritual things. So it's his journey of
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 15: discovering who he really is as inn avy cl He's
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 15: very strong, capable and smart, but in the spirit he
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 15: discovers his true self is not all he wants it
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 15: to be. So it's a super fun journey.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: So this spiritual realm that he finds himself in, I
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: guess my understanding is that there's a cloaking device that
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: puts him into this spiritual realm. Now is this a
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: spiritual realm? Is it? Is it evil? I means he is?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: He is he attacked? I mean, because if it's spiritual,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: there's no physical nature going on. I'm thinking, like, you
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: couldn't get into a gunfight in the spiritual world. I
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: means he come under some threat or and how is
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: his spirituality tested?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: For sure?
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 15: Yeah, a lot of threats. It's definitely an action adventure book,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 15: so there's a fight scenes throughout, but in the spirit
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 15: the enemy is a lion, and he is being hunted.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 15: Jacob is being hunted throughout the whole book, and it's
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 15: his journey to figure out, you know what biblically does
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 15: he have? What what can he do? Uh to protect
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 15: himself and to change things and to keep himself from
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 15: you know, from the enemy there. So yeah, plunge is definitely.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 11: Man.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 15: I tell people when to pick it up. I say,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 15: brace yourself because in the physical world when he jumps
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 15: back into the physical he is facing super soldiers. They're
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 15: putting him against super soldiers to see if they can
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 15: the government can use the knowledge that he gained in
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 15: the spirit. So yeah, it's fights in both worlds.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: I guess is the lion a metaphor or is it
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: a true lion? I'm thinking like the Lion, the Witch
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: and the Wardrobe, which many point two? Is that maybe
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: a dominant Christian theme if you read those series of books,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: But in this particular book, is that is that sort
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: of a Is that like an homage to the Lion
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: the Witch in the War about Wardrobe in some way?
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  Speaker 16: No?
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 15: Maybe maybe more to script. Sure, you know, the Bible
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  Speaker 15: says that the enemy goes about like a roaring Lion,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 15: So it is. Plunge definitely has a lot of allegorical content.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 15: So you know, the more that you get into it,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 15: the more I think things that will pop out to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 15: you as you read the book.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: There was a book designed to test people's faith or
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: to you know, affirm it in some way.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 15: Oh, definitely to affirm it. When I was thirty two,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 15: I had major heart trouble and this book was really
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 15: born out of my struggle to find faith and to
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 15: find divine healing, which thank God, I have received here.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 12: I am so yeah.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 15: Plunge is definitely a spiritual journey, and its purpose is
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 15: to strengthen, encourage, and kind of wake up the church
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 15: and people who are maybe seeking God but haven't seen
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 15: any of his power. They haven't seen the life that
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 15: they expected to see from that relationship.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: How about that, I think you've already answered the question,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: But who did you write this book for? I can
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: certainly understand that now. I guess you went through this
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: challenge yourself. Was it one of those moments when you
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: felt like God had kind of given up on you
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: or turned his back on you in some way, shape
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: or form. Because I know a lot of people struggle
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: with that sort of harsh reality of the world when
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: they experience times of trouble, or maybe in your case,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: health problems crop up, like a cancer diagnosis or something.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 15: Oh, it was definitely a dark time, but it was
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 15: also a time of hope because I had made the
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 15: complete decision for myself to trust God's words. So I
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 15: didn't see any doctors, I didn't do anything else. I
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 15: just went to the Lord. And so although it was difficult,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 15: I think the biggest thing that I had to do
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 15: was unlearned things that I thought about God, and I
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 15: had to go to the Bible and discover what did
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 15: God actually say about himself? And then I had to
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 15: believe that instead of all of the things that I
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 15: had spent my life believing before.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Fair enough, Now, this is the first book and what
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: is called the Three Worlds Christian sci fi series. King
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: real quick, I guess have the other books been written
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: already and we're just waiting to release them after this
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: one's gone out, or are you still working on them?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: And what also is the Three Worlds? What does initial
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: cap three worlds Christian refer to.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 15: Sure three worlds refers to Heaven, Earth, and Hell. So
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 15: the book kind of spans all three realms, and the
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 15: series definitely does. I'm actually sitting here in front of
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 15: my computer editing Book two. It is scheduled to release,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 15: I believe in July, and it is up on pre
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 15: order right now.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 15: So as the series progresses, we definitely get into end
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 15: Times themes. There starts in book two and in book
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 15: three is full on end time revelation type stuff. Extremely
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 15: fun series.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: That sounds very interesting to say the least. And I
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: know my listeners will be very interested in getting a
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: copy of your book. So what we've done is, Shiloh,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: put your book up on my blog page at fifty
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: five care sea dot com with a link to purchase
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: a copy, and I'll encourage my listeners to check that out.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Sounds fascinating. Shiloh, create a real pleasure to having on
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: the program this morning, and keep up the great work. Obviously,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: you are an inspired writer with thirty one books under
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: your belt. I just can't imagine.
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  Speaker 15: Oh, thank you so much for having me.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate its been a real pleasure. Take care seven
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  Speaker 1: thirty eight fifty five KRC the talk Station. I'm pleased
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  Speaker 1: to welcome to the fifty five CARSC Morning Show book
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  Speaker 1: you can get on my blog page fifty five kr
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  Speaker 1: seed dot com like Swans by our local author, Susie Cohin. Susy,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the program. It's great to have you on
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: this morning.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 12: I'm honored to be here. Thank you.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm honored to have you on. And you know,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: you could be quite an inspiration to some other folks
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: in the listening audience. And I would like to put
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: a plug in for Peter Bronson is his Chili Dog
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Press is a local publishing outfit, and he is an
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: extraordinary author in his own right. But let me first
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: ask you what part of town are you and since
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: you are described as a local author.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 14: SUSI, I live in Sharonville.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, great, And you got a bit of a Brady
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Bunch situation going over your place.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 16: Well, our kids are all grown, so they actually never
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 16: grew up together. Oh okay, but they get along great.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 12: So we have.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 16: I have twin boys and my husband has three daughters,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 16: so we're one short of the perfect baby bunch.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: That's great. I saw the description of your in your
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: in the outline and I just was chuckling on myself
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: about that. You're also a flight attendant.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 12: Yes, doing that from Doha last night.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 14: Actually, oh wow.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 12: And I was so.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 16: Nervous because you know, the airport in Philadelphia is a mess.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 16: There were so many delayed flights, and I was like
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 16: praying that I would get on.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 12: The six o'clock because otherwise as it would be a.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 14: Very late arrival, and with the jet.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 16: Lag and all that, I was like, I just want
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 16: to feel good in the morning, you know.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: I understand that. And props to you and all of
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: the flight attendants I talked to. iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: Ratliffe every Thursday, and he is always reminding people that
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: you're not stewardess is you're highly trained folks who were
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: designed to deal with, you know, potentially terrible problems that
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: need to be treated with much greater respect. So I
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: can put in a word a positive word in for
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: you and other flight attendants for the work.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: That you do.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: All right, pivoting over your book, like Swans, what inspired
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: you to write the book? We can dive into the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: details of it and tell my listeners all about it.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 16: Well, my parents always, especially my mom, talked about how
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 16: they escaped and life over there.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 12: And I wrote a short story about it.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 16: In like nineteen eighty six, and my professors like, oh that,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 16: you know, that's pretty good. You should expound on that. Well,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 16: you know, then I had twins and got really busy
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 16: and uh, I was, you know, flying full time.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 12: And my mother, though, was always like, no, Citity, what
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 12: aren't gonna write that book? And it was a lifelong dream.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 16: And when COVID came about, the silver lining of COVID
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 16: for me was having an eighteen month leave where I
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 16: could sit down. Michael, my husband said, Okay, you know,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 16: you can write your book now, and I knew I
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 16: had no more excuses, so I sat down and.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 14: Worked, you know, very hard.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 12: It was really a labor of love.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 16: It was the hardest thing I've had to ever do
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 16: because when I was writing it, you know, we had
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 16: so much censorship going on, and it just reminded me
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 16: of what my parents talked about.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Well, you said over there, the over there you were
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: talking about is Czechoslovakia with post communist when the people
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: in the Communists were in charge.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 16: Yes, it was like in nineteen sixty six was one
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 16: day escaped.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 12: So sorry I forgot that small detail.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 16: But it okay, Yeah, so they you know, told me
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 16: about how everything was still controlled, and that's how I felt.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 12: That everything was controlled, you know, information.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 16: About COVID, and then how we could live, what we
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 16: could do, you know.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 12: We had to wear masks. Uh. It was just it
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 12: was just really weird.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: I can't even but see that's the See. I found
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of positive about COVID, and you're illustrating
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: one of them. I think the people will be less
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: inclined to just sort of prostrate themselves before whatever directive
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: from some random governor says about where you can be
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: and what you can't do. In spite of the fact
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: that we have amendments of the Constitution which project protect
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: these liberties and freedoms, it's as if the Constitution was eradicated,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: and it did feel a lot like say, Czechoslovakia are
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: under the under the Soviet Union, because I've read a
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: lot of Mulan Candera and I believe that's where he
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: is from, and he's written about it. One of the
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: one of the books of the note he made or
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: the joke I think was the name of it. He
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: made some sort of random joke about one of the
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: Soviet leaders and ended up getting unemployed and ostracized just
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: pri merely uttering a joke.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 17: Ryan, My mother got called into the local police station
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 17: for wearing a sweater that was bright and colorful.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 18: Oh my.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 16: They accused her of, you know, advertising Western propaganda. And
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 16: that was really a blessing because my father had spoken
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 16: for years about you know, he's, you know, we need
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 16: to leave.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 14: Things are getting worse and they're they're not going to
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 14: get better. But she didn't want to leave her family.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 16: You know, they waited two years to get an apartment,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 16: she had to get an extra part time job to
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 16: you know, furnish Everything was difficult.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 12: I mean, there was just no easy.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 16: Path for food, for furniture, and so she's like, you know,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 16: I don't want to leave. But that showed her that
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 16: someone in the neighborhood.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 12: There was every neighborhood like.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 14: A had a watch person.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 16: Yeah, so you never knew who it was. And so
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 16: she got called in because of this sweater and that's
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 16: the turn That was the turning point for her. You know,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 16: she knew that they had to get out.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's just frightening stuff.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: Is the book about their story? In other words, a
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: work of nonfiction about their trials? And tribulations and experiencing
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: life under communist Czechoslovakian then ultimately leaving.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 16: Yes, it's it's I really wanted people to see why
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 16: you would want to leave a place like that. I mean,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 16: you know, waiting in line for food. People would get
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 16: in line if there was a line. They didn't need
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 16: to know why, oh wow, but they got in it
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 16: because it might be something good that they could sell.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 16: I mean, it was just like a weird sci fi
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 16: they were living in almost but it was.
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  Speaker 12: The book is a.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 16: Love story and a thriller because you know their escape.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, of course, you know they did make it,
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  Speaker 16: but just the way it all happened, it was really
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 16: God's intervention, I believe, because just the way everything I
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 16: don't want to give too much away, no, no, you
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 16: know how it all came about that they were actually
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 16: able to get out.
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  Speaker 12: Well, it's really.
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  Speaker 16: Amazing because many people weren't.
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  Speaker 1: Able to well in an oppressive regime like Czechoslovakia during
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: the Soviet days. You mentioned the emotional struggle of deciding
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  Speaker 1: to leave because in spite of how bad things are,
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  Speaker 1: you have all these emotional ties not just to the land,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: but also to your community and your friends. But once
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: they made the decision to leave, was it difficult. Did
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: they have to you know, steal out of the country
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: under cover of darkness or be snuck out or could
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: they Did they work through some approval process.
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  Speaker 12: No, they tried to get approval.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, my dad had approval you know, put in
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 16: for years, but they never got it because my father,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 16: my mom's dad, was a capitalist. He had a trucking
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 16: company and so he was on their like blacklist, and
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 16: so my mother wasn't allowed to go to college. She
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 16: was She actually wanted to be the flight attendant. That
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 16: was her lifelong dream, which is so ironic because I
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 16: never that wasn't in my you know, view at all,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 16: and I got it by just sheer chance.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 12: And so my I know.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 16: Where was I they they escaped because my mom got
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 16: permission to take me out of the country to Yugoslavia
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 16: because I had a lot of ear issues and the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 16: doctor was like, oh, you need to go by the
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 16: sea because they.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 12: Air is much better.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 16: And then my dad, last like a last minute thing,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 16: got a trip to Milan. He was an engineer, and
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 16: so he had a business trip to Milan because one
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 16: of the.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 14: Boss's sons was ill.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, you know, usually only the people in the
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 16: party were allowed to travel, but this was some big
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 16: job and my dad was given permission to go normally
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 16: because he would not sign on the communist party line.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 12: He refused, and so he knew that, you know, something
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 12: was going to give.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, they weren't going to let him just get
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 16: away with that forever, and that's why he knew he had,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 16: you know, they had to get out of there, so
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 16: they were They took the same train out of Prague,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 16: got to Austria Vienna, and did not go on their
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 16: separate trains to their final destinations. They stayed there and
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 16: my dad had had family there that they actually didn't
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 16: even know if they were still alive, because they never
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 16: got the letter, a letter, you know, in response to
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 16: their letter. But you know, it just worked out for
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 16: them that they were.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you wrote this because this may give
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: people something they truly need, is to pause and consider
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: the freedoms that we enjoy in the face of a
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: country that won't let you leave. I just can't imagine
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: being in that environment, and I've heard a lot of
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: stories like this over the years. Think of the people
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: who tried to get out of Berlin and had to,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: you know, go through the wall or under the law
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: or or law at risk getting machine gunned down for
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: even endeavoring to leave. This is a great story. And
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 1: I guess you're.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 14: And communism was so great? Why would people I.
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  Speaker 11: Want to go right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I was going to say earlier in
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: your in your breadline comments like whatever happened to from
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: each according's ability to each according to his need? How
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: come it's so hard to get an apartment in a
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: communist country? This is all sums up like swam my
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: local author guest today, Sussy, it's been a pleasure talking
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: with the Susie Cohn. Like Swan, you can get it
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  Speaker 1: on my blog page fifty five krsee dot com. I
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: encourage people to do that and then pause and reflect
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: on what we've got here that so few countries in
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: the world have, Susie, thanks for doing this for everybody
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  Speaker 1: that'st approaching a thirty here fifty five KRCD talk station.
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  Speaker 1: What a happy day it is to be listening to
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• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: to the final guests of the morning and thank God
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: for Bill O'Reilly. I cannot encourage my listeners enough to
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: go to Bill O'Reilly dot com. Bill O'Reilly, welcome back
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: to the fifty five Carcy Morning Show. My friend, you
• 1:49:36
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• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: to applaud you on what you're doing.
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  Speaker 11: Well.
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  Speaker 7: Thank you, Brian, I appreciate having me in. Nice to
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: speak to you again. You know, it's really interesting what's
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 7: happened since Trump got elected in November. The the American
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 7: people were so angry with the Biden administration that even
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 7: people who don't like Donald Trump said, look, he may
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 7: not be what I think a president should be, but
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: he's so much better than the alternative that we're going
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 7: to vote for him. But the media never accepted that. Never,
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 7: and so the strategy now is no matter what Trump does,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 7: he's evil. It's not wrong, it's evil. It's changed now
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: the media strategy. So my job is basically not cheerlead
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 7: Donald Trump. We don't do that, no, but to put
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 7: it to perspective things that he does so that people
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 7: can make a decision based on reality. And that's why
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 7: we're successful. On Bill O'Reilly dot com has now it's
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 7: almost eight years, and the thing is the most successful
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 7: independent news site in the world.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: And that does not shock me a bit. Bill O'Reilly,
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: and I've had you on many times over the years,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: and I got to ask you because I love your
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: books and I'll encourage my listeners to read them. They
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: are fascinating, you can't put them down kind of reads.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: Are we going to get another one out of you
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: soon before we dive back into politics, Bill, because I'm
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: looking forward to the next one.
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  Speaker 16: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: As you may know, Brian, Confronting the President's been on
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 7: the New York Times bestseller list for twenty three consecutive weeks. Sir,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 7: still there. I mean it's a phenomenal seller, as most
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 7: of my books have been. In September, we have Confronting
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 7: Evil and we got the cover up on billoreilly dot com.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 7: Putin's on a cover along with the Ayatola, Halmani, Mazitun
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 7: and Hitler, and inside there are about ten other evil
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 7: doers that can put them all on the cover. And
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: that book is going to be very controversial, that's for sure,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: because you're going to learn things about Everybody thinks they
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: know these evil doers, but you really don't. Know extent
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 7: of what they did, and so we're editing that now,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 7: actually going to turn it in next week to the publisher.
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  Speaker 1: And going back to your comments about the mainstream media,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: he's evil, He's evil. This reminds me of the whole
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: campaign that Donald Trump's a Nazi, which suggests to me
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: that they don't understand the definition of the Nationalist Socialist Party.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: But ignoring their ignorance, they cling to this notion that
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: somehow he is an evil man. But look what he
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: is doing, and he's brilliant in his strategy. Beginning with
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: deporting illegal immigrants, not all of them, not going in
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: and grabbing moms who've been here for ten years. They're
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: going after criminals, child rapists, for example. And the left
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: and the Democrats that are out protesting this are trying
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: to defend the indefensible. I really can't imagine any human
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: being of any political stripe wanting a child molester in
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: their neighborhood. If that person came here illegally and could
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: be easily ejected from our country.
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  Speaker 7: Here's the game. Most Americans who follow the news, and
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 7: that would be about half of us, so half the population,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: they don't know what the deuce is going on, and
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 7: that's their choice. I mean, they just are lazy or disinterested,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 7: whatever it may be. But the people who follow the
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 7: cycle understand that the Trump administration wants immigration law enforced,
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 7: and the way to do that is to present to
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 7: the public the danger of not enforcing it. And just
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: as you just said, you have fourteen million people allowed
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 7: in by Biden, well, ten percent of those people are
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 7: going to be heinous criminals. That's ten percent of every
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 7: group is evil. So that's one million, four hundred thousand,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 7: all right, that are running around causing trouble. And the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 7: problem is that when ice raids and when they go
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 7: in they're there are undocumented migrants who do not have
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 7: a criminal record that are swept up in the raid.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 7: So for example, they are living with the bank robber,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 7: they are living with the drug dealer. A lot of
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 7: women are in this category and they have a child.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 7: Well that woman and child, they're swept up. They're taken
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 7: because they're in the residence with the dope dealer. The
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: press cleaves that off and said, oh, look at this,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 7: this woman never did anything, and they're Burtner. How dishonest
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 7: is that they don't explain that the woman is a
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 7: relationship with the drug dealer. So what are you supposed
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 7: to do? And I could give you a hundred examples
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: of that kind of press dishonesty and I do on
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: the No Spin News every day. Means what we do
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: because we have to protect Americans from falsehoods.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing component, and I talk about
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: low hanging fruit, defending the indefensible, is what the left
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: is trying to do. When you look at, for example,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: some of the programs that were revealed by the Doge
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: effort over US eight, you know, tens of millions, hundreds
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: of millions of dollars of the American taxpayers money going
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: to programs that on their face are wholly indefensible. And
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 1: yet and the second component of that is nobody knows
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: if the money actually went to any given program to
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: accomplish the goal that was stated in the grant. They
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: don't follow the reality. And it seems to me just
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: a bunch of bribes, kickbacks, and payoffs for a bunch
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: of organizations, either here within the country or out in
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: the world. They're just soaking up the American taxpayers dollars.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: It's always been that way whenever American tax money leaves
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 7: the United States and goes to a foreign country, we
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 7: don't have any authority over it. So we don't have
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 7: investigators in Gaza, or in Israel or in Ukraine to
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 7: make sure that the money is spent the way it's designated.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 7: That it's never existing. So Trump, that drives him nuts.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 7: That drives him absolutely crazy. And what he did was
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 7: he said, look to Musk you find out the most
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 7: extreme examples, and I'll present it to the American people
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 7: and we'll try to clean this thing up to some extent.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 7: They'll never be able to clean it up entirely, but
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 7: we'll try to get people outraged about the waste of
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 7: taxpayer's dollars. That's what they're doing now. The fact that
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 7: the Democrats are resisting, that works the Trump's advantage and
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: the Republican Party's advantage, because most Americans they go, well,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 7: why aren't you supporting programs that are better? Why you
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 7: want millions of dollars to go to a sesame street
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 7: show in Iraq? That there's no good for anybody. If
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 7: they want a sesame streets let them put it on. Yeah,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 7: why do we have to put its pay for it?
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 16: All?
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 7: So the Democratic Party at this point is fracturing, and
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 7: I don't know if they're going to come back anytime
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 7: soon because there's no leader. They don't have a leader,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 7: and without a leader, it's all over the place. So
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 7: they're actually losing ground, even in the face of Trump
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 7: being so controversial.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: Well, and one of the things most identified he was
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: looking at social Security and all of the folks over
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: the age of one hundred who are still at least
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: on the books eligible and this remains to be seen
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: whether checks are still going out to them, but everyone is,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: it seems, counting on Social Security again, regardless of political stripe.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: When you see that, if you just are a casual
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: political observer, you're like, wait a second, what, there's people
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: on the Social Security roles that are one hundred and
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: fifty years old. How can that be? The things underwater?
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: The CBO has been warning about it for decades. Nobody
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: lives to try to salvage the system that so many
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: people think that that's what they're going to have to
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: rely on in retirement. That angers a lot of people, sure.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 7: And it should, but it's unrealistic to think that in
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 7: a nation of three hundred and fifty million people that
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 7: the federal government is going to be able to monitor
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 7: every check entitlement check that goes out. They're never going
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 7: to be able to do that. But you want to
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 7: bring some kind of discipline into these agencies. And under
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 7: Biden there was zero accountability. It got way out of control.
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 7: The COVID stuff was insane, absolutely, Okay. Trump is trying
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 7: to bring in a new paradigm for these agencies where
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 7: they have to apply some kind of discipline. They have
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 7: to get rid of the IVYA logues, they have to
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 7: hire people who are going to watch the dough. Now
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 7: is he going to succeed? Partially because it should. The
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 7: problem is just to mammot. But he's doing the right thing.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 7: But again, the press is so hateful toward him. They're
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 7: never going to say that, they're never going to report
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 7: on him fairly. And therefore many millions of Americans think
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 7: the guys the devil because they don't really pay attention
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 7: to what's actually happening.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: Well, Elon Musk said it the other day, and I
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: have to paraphrase because I can't quote the man, but
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: he warned of what is quite literally the existential threat
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: posed by our national debt and deficit, and that we
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: are going to fall apart, literally, and we will fall
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: apart along with the rest of the world, who seems
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: to rely on the American taxpayers to stay afloat. Somebody said,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: you know, oh well, yeah, this whole idea about you. Well,
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: I'll just move to New Zealand if the Fiat currency collapsed.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: He said, no, that's not going to be possible because
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: New Zealand will go down the toilet too.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 7: Sure, And you can't tax the people anymore, Brian, you can't.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 7: They're just up to their eyebrows in paying to local,
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 7: state and federal officials. I mean, New York, where I live,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 7: is the highest tax state in the Union. We are
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 7: losing hundreds of thousands of people a year moving out
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 7: of here, and replacing those people are foreign nationals who
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 7: are on welfare. Okay, so the people who are earning
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 7: a decent buck they're leaving replaced by people who need
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 7: government assistance. Now I'm generalizing, but that's the accurate picture.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 7: So the Democratic Party again doesn't seem to understand that
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 7: you cannot tax people any more than you are now.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 7: And then Bernie Sanders and these socialist all the brillionaires.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 7: That's a bunch of garbage. There are very few of
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 7: those people. The bulk of the tax receipts are working class,
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 7: blue collar folks who cannot pay anymore. So you've got
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 7: to cut the waste and the massive spending, which is
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 7: what Musk has been tasked to.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: Do well and so far doing an excellent job of
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: elevating this type of thing to the average americans attention
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: and the average Americans seeing some positive in all this
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: based upon the points you've made today here on the
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: Morning Show, and we can only hope that the energy
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: and the effort behind it continues to neure to our advantage.
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: Because we go back the other direction, we're stuck. We're screwed.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you may as well just pull the flag
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: down and go hide in a hole or something. Bill O'Reilly.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, the Trump administration has an opportunity. It needs
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 7: to be more disciplined. I don't think that's going to happen.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 7: That's not how the president rolls, as a cliche goes,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 7: I would do it a little bit differently in style form.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 7: But what they're trying to do is a positive for
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 7: the country. Unfortunately, many people in the country don't understand
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 7: that now, but you know we all do what we do, Brian.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 7: I mean, you do a good show every morning and
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 7: in Cincinnati and tell the folks what you think. I
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 7: do the same thing on Bill O'Reilly dot com, and
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 7: I write the books and I get the word out
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 7: and then folks believe what they want to believe. But
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 7: we have an opportunity here in the next forty seven months.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 7: That's what Trump has, and if he does well, then
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 7: Vance will be the next president because I don't think
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 7: the Democratic Party is going to be able to recover
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 7: in uh, you know, the forty seven months that Trump
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 7: has well.
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: They're going to have to find somebody other than Gavin Newsome,
• 2:02:42
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  Speaker 1: It's coming up at eight forty four fifty five KRC
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  Speaker 1: an extra special happy because the return of Mandy Gunnas Sakara,
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  Speaker 1: author of Y'all Fired, a Southern Belist guide. You're restoring
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  Speaker 1: federalism and draining the swamp. We had he around in
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  Speaker 1: October when the book first came out. She's spent at
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  Speaker 1: the center of the US energy and environmental policy for
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  Speaker 1: a full decade. From the Senate cloak room of the
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: Oval Office of veteran environmental attorney, energy strategist, and communicator,
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  Speaker 1: served during President Trump's first term as chief of staff
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  Speaker 1: at the US Environmental Protection Agency. Currently a visiting fellowt
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  Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation, and welcome back. It is a real
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  Speaker 1: pleasure to have you back on the show. Mandy.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, good to be with you.
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  Speaker 2: Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, can I just sort of sum up what
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  Speaker 1: I think your perception is that this DOGE Department is
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: like the answer to your dreams?
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, I think he summed it up, Well, it really
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  Speaker 19: is and it's man, it's such a beautiful thing to
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  Speaker 19: see because having been on the inside, even in my
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 19: position as chief of staff and the access to the
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  Speaker 19: information that I had, it was hard to paint the
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  Speaker 19: whole picture. You could pinpoint specific types of waste, fraud
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  Speaker 19: or abuse or redundancies and efficiencies. You could pinpoint those
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 19: sorts of things. But it really is a beautiful thing
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 19: where you have someone like Elon and his really talented
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 19: team of software engineers going and looking at the data
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 19: and then painting a big picture in ways that all
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 19: of us can understand and all of us can see
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  Speaker 19: is an absolute misuse of taxpayer resources. So yeah, it's
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 19: an answer to a lot of prayers.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, well, sunlight, it's a great disinfect and lords were
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  Speaker 1: getting a lot of it. And one of the problems
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: that I'm sure you probably during your period of time
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: in the administration, we're as frustrated as anybody else the
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: obstructionism that comes when people that are responsible for the
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: oversight of our dollars, subcommittees, committees, the cong the Congress women,
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: the senators when they're told basically go to hell when
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  Speaker 1: they ask for information.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, really, I know, I know, it's it's really frustrating,
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  Speaker 19: and it's you know, that is part of their responsibility.
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  Speaker 19: Their responsibility is to report back to the public how
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  Speaker 19: they're using these funds and what it's actually doing. But
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  Speaker 19: it's not just the members of Congress. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 19: also these bureaucrats, these entrenched deep state bureaucrats. And here's
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 19: the truth. There is a there is a crisis of
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 19: expertise on Capitol Hill. Frankly, you have a lot of
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 19: people there that don't really know what they're doing. So
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  Speaker 19: they're wholly dependent on deep state bureaucrats who've been working
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  Speaker 19: at their job for thirty years to give them information
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  Speaker 19: they don't otherwise know how to get. So that's how
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 19: the deep state works. They don't give them all the information.
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  Speaker 19: Maybe they give them a little drip drip here. But
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  Speaker 19: it's been many decades of this type of imbalance between
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  Speaker 19: an agency funded to eight at to the tune of
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  Speaker 19: eight billionion dollars and as EP is an example, with
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 19: that oversight staff of less than two million dollars trying
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 19: to perform oversight and so you just have this massive
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  Speaker 19: mismatch and the resulting consequences is just decades of layers
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  Speaker 19: of complexity and us not knowing how our resources are
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  Speaker 19: spent well.
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  Speaker 1: And it's also seemed to be very obviously a just
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  Speaker 1: simple lack of care of how money is spent. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Musk over the weekend was talking about, you know, over
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  Speaker 1: looking at through the the Department of Treasury, right Treasury Department,
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  Speaker 1: and he says, you know, I was told that there
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  Speaker 1: are currently over one hundred billion dollars a year of
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  Speaker 1: in timement payments individual with no social Security number, even
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  Speaker 1: a temporary ID number. And see, you know, he pulls
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  Speaker 1: the room and Treasury he says, what percentage of that
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  Speaker 1: is unequivocal obvious fraud? And the consensus in the room
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  Speaker 1: was at least fifty billion dollars of it. That's something
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  Speaker 1: that's as simple to fix. Look, no social Security number,
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  Speaker 1: no ID, you don't get any money. How hard is that?
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  Speaker 16: It shouldn't be difficult at all.
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  Speaker 19: But that's what these agencies they've just become all about,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 19: constantly asking for more money. There is no incentive for
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  Speaker 19: the everyday bureaucrat to find ways to be incentive, to
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  Speaker 19: find ways to cut costs and to be truthful about
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  Speaker 19: the expenditure of those costs. And there's this mentality, this
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  Speaker 19: culture in DC that people are almost entitled to these
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  Speaker 19: taxpayer resources, and when you come in and you ask questions,
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  Speaker 19: they like to pretend like they're these global do gooders
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 19: and they're saying, oh, but this poor person is going
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  Speaker 19: to lose access to these resources that they really need. Meanwhile,
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 19: that person isn't even getting the funds. To the extent
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 19: they're getting any it's barely enough to actually live. But
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 19: you know what's coming off the top. A fair amount
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 19: is coming off the top and going to nonprofits that
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 19: either pad them personally or their relatives or just grow
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  Speaker 19: the power of the left, which is ultimately what they want.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, non governmental organizations NGOs, you know, and quite the world.
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  Speaker 1: We're five oh one C three, we're not for profit. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you're making a salary of four hundred, five hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year as president or CEO the five
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  Speaker 1: oh one C three. I mean, that's what's happening.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's it's so discussing so
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  Speaker 19: many of them is going to the spouses of people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 19: you know, just look at the net worth of someone
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  Speaker 19: like Samantha Power. She was the administrator that had essentially
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 19: of USAID and her net worth grew five times. I
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 19: think that's right. It's around that it's a significant number.
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  Speaker 19: Grew five times. Her salary has been the same. Salaries
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  Speaker 19: for bureaucrats are typically capped out around one hundred and
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  Speaker 19: eighty thousand dollars. Yeah, somehow she has a mass a
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  Speaker 19: multi million dollar fortune, and it just leaves you scratching
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 19: your head, Huh where did that money come from? And
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 19: it's most likely because it was funneled to nonprofits of
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 19: what she or her family was sitting on the board
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  Speaker 19: and they get to reap the benefits of millions of
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 19: dollars of taxpayer funds going into their back pocket, and
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 19: they cover it up by saying, well, we're helping the
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 19: poor in the world, We're giving people in Africa access
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 19: to water and food. But really they are just patting
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 19: their own personal coffers.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and as I read through the list of these
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: things that the DOGE has revealed and the comments from
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  Speaker 1: the senators that you know, I had no idea that
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  Speaker 1: this money was being spent this way, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: wait a second, aren't you responsible for the power of
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  Speaker 1: the purse. I mean, you go ahead and you allocate
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: forty million dollars to USA, but then you stop. Somebody
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: had to approve the project. But ultimately, you know, twenty
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: million dollars goes to a sesame street show in Iraq,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: And then how much of that twenty million dollars really
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: went to the Sesame street show in a rock production.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: It didn't land in some corrupt officials pocket. They don't
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: follow the trail of the money, and it just stops
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  Speaker 1: once the aid's been allocated to the general collective us
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  Speaker 1: AID fund.
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right, and it's there's no accountability and no oversight.
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  Speaker 19: And that's why you see the people who are screaming
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  Speaker 19: the most are the ones who have the most to
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 19: lose in terms of this personal racket or money laundering scheme,
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 19: if you will, that.
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  Speaker 8: That is what it is.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 19: These people are using their positions of trust and consequence
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  Speaker 19: to siphon money off to the side to their benefit.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 19: And they use stories of people that most people would
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 19: say like, yeah, they could use some help, or of
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 19: course we would want to take care of these vulnerable populations.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 19: They use that as a cover for their own sick game,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 19: and those are the people who are sitting outside of
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 19: USAID or some of these other areas that are throwing
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 19: up their hands. And the Democrat members of Congress are
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 19: at the front of the line because they are recipients
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 19: of campaign donations from these people who are putting taxpayer resources.
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 8: In their own pocket.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the to me, that is the most
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  Speaker 1: I don't I want to call it comical that they're
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: screaming at the top of their lungs over these funds
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: being identified, these outlandish, outrageous programs that no American could
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: find straight faced legitimate. They're not saying that the money
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: didn't go to these stupid programs like shrimp running on treadmills.
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: They're just screaming about the general focus on USA and
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: the fraud, waste and abuse and defending it for some reason.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: Just there's there's no denial here, There's no that didn't happen.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: That's a lie. Elon Musk is making that up.
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  Speaker 19: It's yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just frustrating to
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 19: see and I will say though, it's it's frustrating to
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 19: see some of the reaction, but you know, those people
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 19: are in the minority now and that is a really
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 19: wonderful feeling and the cats out of the bag. I mean, again,
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 19: those of us who are on the inside. Some of
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 19: it was the fact that we didn't really understand the
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 19: links the deep State would go to cover their tracks,
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 19: and they had decades to figure out ways to cover
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 19: up their tracks, and they're very, very good at it.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 19: So we were all in there. You know, you're drinking
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 19: from a fire hose is the words people often used
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 19: to describe what it's like to go into these positions,
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 19: and a lot of us went in not knowing that
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 19: the tricks that the deep State would use not just
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 19: to confuse, but to try to undermine and to hide
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 19: what they were actually doing.
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  Speaker 16: All that's over.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 19: So it really is great to see Elon Musk his team,
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 19: Department of Government Efficiency, and most importantly, the American people
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 19: see this and they're behind the President and his work
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 19: one hundred and ten percent.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it as well as I do. Yeah, Mandy,
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: that they've only scratched the surface. I mean, Elon Musk
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: has identified some real low hanging fruit just in one
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: USA department I mentioned the Treasury Department. He's worked there
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: as long as he can get his access back centers
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: for Medicare and Medicaid Service, National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration, Department
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: of Energy, and Lord almighty, nobody wants me that wants
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: the military spending to be audited more than me. They
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: can't even pass ano audit seven or eight times in
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  Speaker 1: a row. Mandy, I know, and I'm sure.
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  Speaker 19: I'm sure you've seen. There was an interview not too
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  Speaker 19: long ago of one of the uh, one of the heads,
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 19: one of the people who was responsible for these types
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 19: of audits, and you know, she was just incredulous that
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 19: people would wouldn't trust them. Yeah, we felled audits, but
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 19: you don't understand what an audit is, is essentially her response,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 19: and it doesn't really matter. Like again, this goes through
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 19: there's this culture of people in DC that are so
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 19: arrogant and and so flippant about their very real responsibility.
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 19: And when people come around asking basic questions that they
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 19: cannot answer, uh, they just they try to belittle you
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 19: to say that, well, you don't really understand it. If
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 19: you were, if you were like me, you would understand.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 19: So yeah, look, Elon Musk is scratching the surface. This
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 19: type of misuse and and miss expenditure of funds. It
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 19: permeates every single agency. So there's there's a lot more
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 19: to come, and I'm excited to see it, for it
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 19: to finally be exposed.
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  Speaker 1: A lot more to come and maybe even I'll keep
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: my fingers crossed some criminal investigations into where this money
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: has landed many goods. Car author of Y'all Fired, A
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: Southern Bell's Guide Restoring Federalism and Draining the Swamp. She
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: had an advance on Doge. This is what the book's about.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure, I said, I know she's seeing it
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: just come all to fruition with it being ferreted out, Mandy.
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  Speaker 1: I got your book up on my blog page fifty
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  Speaker 1: of it to the extent they haven't done it already,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: and all encourage them to do so. It's been great
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: here talking with you. Keep up the great work and
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: looking forward to another volume, maybe something like along the
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  Speaker 1: aftermath lines.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 19: Yeah, what it's like after y'all fired. Yeah, well we'll
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 19: come up with a guitar. But thank you, thanks for
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 19: having me and thanks for the support.
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: Pleasure, Mandy. It's been a real treat. Born in a
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: cotton plantation in Heywood County, Tennessee's parents were sharecroppers, but
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: through hard work and a firm belief in Jesus, his
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: parents pulled him into seven siblings out of poverty. His
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: family started the Ellison Family Gospel Singing Group, where my
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: guests sang in played multiple musical instruments. As a child
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: and young adult, worked for five years as a correctional
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: officer at the Media Maximum Kirkling Correctional Institute and me
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: a South Carolina and then it went onto the nonprofit
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: arena and received the Republican Party nomination for the South
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: Carolina six Congressional district in two thousand and He is
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: an author. You may have read the book The Iron
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: Triangle Inside the Liberal Democrat plan to use race to
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 1: divide Christians in America in their quest for power and
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 1: how we can defeat them, a number one best seller.
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 1: And I could go on and on and on about
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: his resume. Vince Everett Ellison, Welcome to the fifty five
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  Speaker 1: KS Morning Show to talk about your new book, Crime Incorporated.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 1: How Democrats employ mafia and gangster tactics to gain and
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  Speaker 1: hold power. It's a pleasure having you on the program.
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  Speaker 18: Sir oh Man, thank you so very much for having me.
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  Speaker 18: And as you said, I was one on a cotton plantation,
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  Speaker 18: Hey County, Tennessee. A lot of people don't know this
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 18: as a more violent fashion of the kuklu Klan, who
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 18: was at that time that the military wing of the
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 18: Democrat Party was in Tennessee and the Grand Wizard of
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 18: the ku kluk Klan lived in Brownsville. So these Democrats
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 18: that have been chasing me and trying to kill me
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  Speaker 18: my whole life, they are a criminal organization. They are
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 18: an evil organization and they always have been that. And
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 18: I've written my book Climbing to explain it to the
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  Speaker 18: American people. So I want all your listeners to go
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  Speaker 18: to Vince e. Ellison dot com or they got to
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  Speaker 18: the book and you can look at the trailer my
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  Speaker 1: Also, they'll be happy to do that. And I've made
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  Speaker 1: it even easier for Evince. We put your link on
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• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: books as well as the podcasts of interviews. This I
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: mean the words that describe your book and what you
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: reveal in it, murder, sex, trafficking, defunding the police, disarming
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: lawbid and citizens. This is all organized by the Democrat Party.
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: And what frustrates me to no end, Vince Everett Ellison,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: is that they accuse the Republicans of doing everything that
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: they're guilty of doing. They call Republicans fascist when they're
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: the ones that want to dictate every determined condition of
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: our lives, taking away our freedoms and liberties. How is
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: it that they're so able to get away with flip
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: the narrative on Republicans and accusing them of the very
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: things that they do.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 18: Well, Because one of the chapters in my book is
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 18: I'm exploiting a patsy every great criminal, Every great criminal
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 18: always has it patsy before you even commits the crime.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 18: And that's what the General Fact Party does. Even during
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 18: the Civil War. Then they said that the patsy was
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 18: the Union Army. They told the slaves that the Union
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 18: Union army is your inn, not us. So now what
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 18: they do every crime, they say, we're going to put
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 18: it on the Republican Party. And because the Republican Party
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 18: does not exist, anywhere inside of the black community. Of course,
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 18: black people believe it that you have the iron traang
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 18: on my first book, I told you you talked about it.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 18: The black preacher, most black preachers, most black civil rights workers,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 18: and most black politicians.
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  Speaker 7: They work.
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  Speaker 18: They are conduits between rich white liberals and the black community.
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  Speaker 18: And their job is to make sure that Black people
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  Speaker 18: vote for these rich white liberals by hooker, by crook.
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  Speaker 18: They bribe them, sold to the polls, ballot harvesting, street money, intimidation,
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  Speaker 18: you name it, they do it, and they're good at it.
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  Speaker 18: And as you and I know, as an all ball
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  Speaker 18: billion terms, this is the ninety percent of any gear
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  Speaker 18: is just showing up. Democrats show up in the Black community.
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  Speaker 18: Republicans do not. They hit a Democrat message, they don't
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  Speaker 18: hear a Republican message, and there you have it. It's
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  Speaker 18: just that stumple. So they have a patsy, and the
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  Speaker 18: patsy is the GOP, and the GOP is a willing, ignorant,
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  Speaker 18: stupid patsy that allowed themselves to have all these sins
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  Speaker 18: come completely thrown at them and they just sit back
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  Speaker 18: and grand and take it.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 1: Can I get your reaction, sir, when a man like
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden, here's one of those rich white liberal guys,
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  Speaker 1: has the audacity to go on and say out loud
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  Speaker 1: that if you don't vote Democrat, you're not black. I'm
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: offended by I'm a white guy, man, I'm offended by that.
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: I'm also offended by Democrats who ground saying that black
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  Speaker 1: people are incapable of getting a photo ID or incapable
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  Speaker 1: of voting on election day. This is an absolute, outright
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  Speaker 1: insult to an entire c some people, My friend.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this is well.
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  Speaker 18: I have a chapter in my book about this too,
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  Speaker 18: the how Lamofia and how the organized crime demoralize their customers.
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  Speaker 18: This is how they get them poorn, loan, shocking, drugs, gambling.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 18: These people are demoralized, and they demorlize. They beat them,
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  Speaker 18: they slap them around, they custom out, They treat them
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  Speaker 18: like dogs. The Democratic Party has done the same things
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  Speaker 18: as the black community. When you go into the inner
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 18: city of America, you see a demoralized group of people.
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  Speaker 18: The Communists keep that people under control of the same way.
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  Speaker 18: They put them in concentration camps, give them bad education,
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  Speaker 18: tell them that nothing, tell them that they are not
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  Speaker 18: children of God. Tell them that they belong to the state.
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 18: They've done that to the black community. And so when
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  Speaker 18: you demorlize the person, you can bring their information. You
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 18: can show them everything. You can show it a demoralized
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  Speaker 18: drug addict that the crack is killing it and he
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  Speaker 18: won't leave it. You can show it demralized alcoholic that
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 18: the alcohol is killing him and he'll still drinking. You
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  Speaker 18: can take a the demorralized woman whose husband is beating her,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 18: a boyfriend is beating her almost to death every day
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 18: and say you must leave them, and she will not go. C. S.
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  Speaker 18: Lewis said, hell is a choice, and people choose it
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  Speaker 18: every day. Good but the good news is you can
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  Speaker 18: unchoose it. Get crime int It'll tell you all about it.
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  Speaker 18: It talks about also how the day's Democrat Party, it's
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 18: not your grandfather, and then of the Democrat Party they
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 18: were just a rabble of ignorant Kukula's plan racist. But
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 18: in nineteen seventy two, it talks about how the Marsians
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 18: and the civil rights movement jumped from the Civil rights
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 18: movement to the Democrat Party and then they took it
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 18: over and made it a Marsians, a Martians organization and
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 18: the finishes every spent holy but Shureley turn the Democrat
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  Speaker 18: Party from a rival of ignorant racist into the most
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 18: sophisticated crime family in the history of the world. The
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 18: Democrat Party is an evil organization. They've always been an
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 18: emuls They've always been evil, they always will be evil,
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  Speaker 18: and we have to stop them.
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  Speaker 1: Did your I mean we were out speaking with people,
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: you know, in among the black community, to go to
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  Speaker 1: these poor, impoverished neighborhoods where you grew up in those
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: types of areas, and you preach your and you do
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: sound like a preacher. You are a firm advocate. You
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: mean what you say, and you say it in such
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: a convincing way. What is the response from people who
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: have been indoctrinated into believing that the only way for
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: the poor, impoverished black person is to vote for Democrats?
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  Speaker 18: Standing ovations all around because they never heard the real message. Look,
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 18: I did a documentary that I want your viewers to watch.
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 18: The trailer from Tucker Carlston debuted on his show Before
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 18: They Are Thoughts. The documentary is called Will You Go
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 18: to Hell? From Me? And the interesting thing is here
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 18: in Lynchburg Virginia where I live. A group of Republicans.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 18: They rented out a theater and showed us about a
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 18: thousand people, ninety percent of them white. They gave the
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  Speaker 18: standing ovation at the end. Then in mississ Tennessee at
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 18: World Overcomers Church, the largest by church in Memphis, twelve
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 18: thousand and five, on that member church, they showed the
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 18: same documentary. They got the standing ovation there too. Why
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 18: because I give up the truth. People have their phones
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 18: out looking at facts, and I give them actual fact.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 18: I proved to him that Martin Luther King Junior was
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 18: a Martians, that he was an apostate preacher. I proved it.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 18: I showed that he got the Market Sing Award in
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 18: nineteen sixty six, the first recipient of it. I approved
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 18: that Margus King Junior was kicked out of the Black
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 18: Church I'm trying to take it over from Martians in
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 18: nineteen sixty one, and he started his own religion. He
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 18: was kicked out of the National Baptist Conventions for killing
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 18: a peak preacher on the floor trying to take it
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 18: over for the Communists in nineteen sixty one, and so
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 18: they kicked him out and he started his own religion.
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 18: He called it the Progressive National Baptist Convention. It's the
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 18: secret of Raspail Warnock to serve it from from Georgia
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  Speaker 18: belongs to yeah as an apostate group of crazy libertine ministers.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 18: I proved that Martin Luther King Junior was behind the
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 18: man outcalls in welfare, where if you catch a man
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  Speaker 18: at home, the family can get no help from the
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 18: federal government. And in one generation the black community was
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 18: having eighties of their children being born in wedlocks, eight
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 18: percent being born out of wet locks. I proved that
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  Speaker 18: in his I Have a Dream speech, he said, one
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  Speaker 18: hundred years after Emancipation Proclamation, the negro is still not free.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 18: And he said five times in their speech that we
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 18: were not free, which is a lie. And then he
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 18: said at the end of it, and you remember this
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 18: refrain that on a certain certain day we'll be free
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 18: at land, free at land. Thank God Almighty, we're.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 7: Free at lands.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 18: Well, the course of the Declaration of Independence and John
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 18: Locke from the Second Taries of Government, I was born free.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 18: My freedom is a gift from God. It's an unalienable right.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 18: It is irrevocable, non transferable, and unsalable. It precedes the constitution.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 18: Government cannot touch it. That speech turned the Declaration of
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 18: Independence on its head, and we make our children say
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 18: it every year, and our children and our children is
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 18: right over and over again that we are not free.
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 18: We are free American. It's supersedes and it turns around
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 18: everything that we believe about who we are. That our
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 18: freedom comes from God. And Marninuther King Junior said, we
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 18: have to go to government for our freedom. And this
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 18: is that's why we have had a retrogression in the
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 18: black community. This is why we march and we sing,
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 18: what are you saying in that speech? We will never
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 18: be satisfied. When will we be satisfied? Never until truth
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 18: rolled down like water and right to this like a
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 18: mighty stream. That's the fast way of saying never telling
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 18: us to start white America, telling us to cry and
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 18: beg and slobber and get the hell beat out of us,
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 18: to try to get man to accept us. Where God says,
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 18: you don't worry about man, you worry about me. You
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 18: turn to God, not government. And this is why we're
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 18: at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in America. And
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 18: the best thing the white conservative ever did was lead
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 18: the Democrat Party because they hadn't left them. They be
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 18: exactly what the Black community down at the bottom of everything.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 18: So when I explained this to black people, when I
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 18: show them why you are where you are, Jesus said
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 18: that the tree is known by the fruit that bad.
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 18: You cannot get good food from a bad tree or
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 18: bad food from a good tree. Each tree and his
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 18: fruit be out of his own. If the Black community
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 18: is bad fruit right now, then the tree it came
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 18: from with the bad fruit too, and the bad food
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 18: is a Democrat Party and the civil rights movement. You
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 18: can't get around it. So what do we do?
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 6: We believe what our Bible says?
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 18: What did God tell came when King was angry because
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 18: he had rejected his offering? He said, King, why are
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 18: you angry? If you do well, will you not be accepted?
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 18: And if not, saying weas at the door to master you,
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 18: you must master it. If you do well, will you
• 2:25:28
  Speaker 18: not be accepted? And the left has not done well,
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 18: so they tell people to march, envy, hate, treds christ burn,
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 18: baby burn, no justice, no peace. Well, Jesus Christ, it
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 18: my peace I give to you. Now let I leave
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 18: it with you. We'll not free, he said, he who
• 2:25:42
  Speaker 18: the sign has free is free. Indeed, the civil rights
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 18: movement was an anti Christian movement. It was an anti
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 18: American movement. And now we have to go back to
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 18: our manhoods, to our gods, to our Bible. And it's
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 18: going to take good Christians, black and white to unify
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 18: and turn this country around. That's what I write about,
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 18: that's what my films are about. Go to my website
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 18: and watch it.
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  Speaker 1: It'll rock your world absolutely. And get a copy of
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  Speaker 1: his book, Crime in Corporated How the Democrats employ mafia
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: and gangster tactics to gain hold, a gain and hold power.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: By my guest today, Vince Everett Ellison, Your strength of
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: conviction is amazing, my friend. I can hear it in
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: your voice. I know that it's flowing through your blood,
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: in your veins. The freedom that we enjoy, we own it,
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 1: it is ours.
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: Do not deny it.
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 1: Get the book and Roches's film. Will you go to
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 1: Hell for me?
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  Speaker 4: Vince?
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  Speaker 1: I could hear you all day long, man, powerful words.
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  Speaker 18: Let me tell you, let me tell you people who
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 18: our last name. We cannot be oppressed, we cannot be victims.
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 18: I am air of Jesus Christ, I'm a child of God.
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 18: I cannot be a victim. I cannot be oppressed. So
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 18: whenever a Christian walks up, whenever a Christian black person
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 18: walks up you and tell you that they have victim
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 18: and they're oppressed. You asked them, how can you be impressed?
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 18: You be on the air if you just christ on
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 18: town of God and tell them I love you. I'll
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 18: help you do anything, and I help you exercise your freedom.
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 18: But if you try to take anything from me or
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 18: hurt me, you got two things to to get you
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 18: off me. That is Jesus and my thirty eight. You
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 18: better not tell.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: I love that Vince, you know. And that's why Marxists
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: hate religion. There is something beyond their state control. There
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: is something that transcends there.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 18: It is you hit it right on the head. That's
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 18: why they hate God. They do not compete for power.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 18: They know if they go against him they lose. See,
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 18: they can't oppress people like me and you. We know
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 18: how power comes from you. And I look them in
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 18: the eye and say try it. If you kill me,
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 18: I go to be with God. But you will not
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 18: make me your slave. And you will never make me crawl,
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 18: and this is the message that we have to give
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 18: to the men of America. The men. We are the
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 18: descendants of the people who beat the British Empire, were
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 18: the descendants of the ones that's on the beaches of Normandy.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 18: That's who we are. A strong resiliant people. We're Americans, man.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 18: We don't back down from nothing. Three hundred and sixty
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 18: five times in our Bible, God ordered us to fear not.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 18: I fear no man.
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  Speaker 2: We go forward.
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