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Todd Nettleton: Increasing Persecution Of Christians Globally · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, God bless you, thanks for watching and for sharing the podcast.
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  That's a very important topic today, and that is Christian persecution worldwide.
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  And man, we've seen it increase, it's kind of off the charts, but we've got to be aware
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  and not just turn our heads or our eyes away from it because we live in a country that
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  has a constitution, religious freedom in the First Amendment, which I mean, there's some
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  definitely things changing in our own country, but I've got Todd Nettleton with us.
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  We had him on earlier, I think, actually, at the end of last year.
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  And he's the host of VOM Radio, he's with Voice of the Martyrs.
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  The website is persecution.com.
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  And not only does he host VOM Radio, he's a busy guy.
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  He's traveled around for many, many years, around the world, talking to persecuted Christians.
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  And he has written a book called When Faith Is Forbidden, 40 days on the front lines with
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  persecuted Christians, and they've got a lot of events coming up and things.
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  We need to keep you up to speed on.
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  So Todd Nettleton, great to see you, brother. Welcome back to World View Matters.
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  Thanks so much. It's great to be with you.
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  All right, let's start with the Voice of the Matters magazine, Voice of the Martyrs magazine.
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  People can get this. It's free, and I get it every month, I believe.
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  So can you let people know where on the website they can find out about that?
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  Subscribe to it.
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  Absolutely, persecution.com is the main Voice of the Martyrs website, persecution.com.
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  And right at the top of the page, there's a button that says free magazine.
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  So you just click on that button, give us your name and address.
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  And we will send you, like you say, free of charge.
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  The magazine that that helps you pray for persecuted Christians really helps you know,
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  put names and faces to the members of our family who are suffering for their faith.
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  And so you can cut out those pictures, maybe put them up on your refrigerator,
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  maybe put them inside your Bible so that you pray throughout the year for persecuted Christians.
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  This is a part of Vioam's ministry, educating American Christians, equipping you so that you
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  can pray for these members of our family. So Todd, if we weren't planning on talking about this,
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  but since I've been reading through this, what fascinating stories.
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  Boy, I tell you, I mean, there have been some issues that I've received that I look at it
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  and started reading it. I'm going, man, your heart goes out to these people because we have a hard
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  time relating here in the United States of entertainment to real Christian persecution.
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  But this was a fascinating story. There's a guy that was driving a taxi cab, a former Muslim.
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  It's called a rebel for the cause of Christ. His name is Rahim.
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  And this is, I think, one of the last stories in this month's edition of Voice of the Martyrs
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  magazine. And someone, he's a, I guess he drives a taxi or drove a taxi or a bus.
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  Someone witnessed to him one of the passengers, apparently, that is a fascinating story.
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  And just says to us, man, any opportunity where we think someone might be too far from Christ
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  because they're dedicated to Islam or their Muslim, I mean, things like this blow that
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  theory out of the water that there's a hunger for the truth. Can you share your thoughts on that
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  story real quick? There is a hunger for the truth. And one of the really cool things about this
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  month's magazine is we have the story of three different people who were witnessed to by the same
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  man. So it kind of shows that the echoes that a life can make as we are witnessed for Christ.
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  All three of these people still following Christ still involved in ministry.
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  The man who shared the gospel with them was martyred. He was literally killed, laid down his life
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  for his faith in Christ. But you see, as you read these stories, how his legacy, his ministry is
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  still ongoing, even after he was killed, through the lives of people that he reached with the
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  gospel. And one of the challenges, I think when you get to the end of the magazine is, okay,
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  what, what ripples am I leaving that are going to outlast my lifetime that are going to still be
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  echoing after I have gone and entered eternity? I think that's really one of the challenges that
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  this month's magazine presents to us is, wow, what am I doing that's going to echo in eternity?
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  Things that matter, wow, and for eternity, like you said, I was talking to someone earlier today
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  that doesn't want a big bank account. He said he's putting out, he's mailing out gospel tracks and
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  information on the biblical worldview and the rapture and other things. But that's the view we've
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  got to take because we are here for such a time as this. And some people that come across our path,
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  if we don't take that opportunity to share the gospel, I mean, we miss out on that blessing. But
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  someone else is going to have to do it. And God is big enough to orchestrate all that. But like you
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  said, it's in terms of eternity, what are we doing that matters, right? And I think one of the things
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  we need to do is be alert for the doors that God is opening to us. I heard a story yesterday
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  of a lady who got in a taxi cab in a Muslim country, a restricted nation, and hanging off of the
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  mirror of the taxi cab was a cross, which in that culture, a very rare thing. It's like, wow,
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  this is interesting. And she said, well, tell me about that cross. And the taxi cab driver said,
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  you know, it's not mine. One of my passengers left it in the vehicle. So I have hung it around
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  the mirror, hoping I'll pick up that person again. And I can return it to them. But then the taxi
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  driver said, you know, ever since I've had that cross hanging on my mirror, I've had at the end
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  of the day, I've had just the right amount of funds to cover my needs for that day. Every day,
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  whether I have a lot of passengers or a little passenger, it's just the right amount that I need
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  for that day. And this Christian passenger was able to give them a gospel booklet and say, hey,
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  would you like to know more about the cross that that's hanging on your mirror? Would you like
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  to know the story behind that? And the person who wants to meet you and wants to bless you. And I
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  think, you know, we often would go in a taxi that had a cross and we would never say a word about
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  it. We would never bring it up. And maybe the Lord is opening the door for us to have that
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  conversation. We just need to have our eyes open and see the opportunities that he's presenting
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  us. And frankly, pray for those opportunities. Lord, today, I'm ready. Yes. Let me have those
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  opportunities. Let me have those conversations. And not just pray for them, but then be willing
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  to be interrupted by God's work in your life that day. I think I, yes, I paraphrased a quote. I
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  don't know who said that was a Dietrich Bon offer or someone, a great theologian or someone
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  said, we need to be willing to be interrupted by God in our daily lives. Todd, there's an event
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  coming up called I am and meaning I am a Nazarene. It's a virtual event. I believe they can go to
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  persecution.com. Can they watch it online? How does that work? And I see Stephen Curtis Chapman
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  is going to be leading some worship. So tell us about that event. Yeah. This is coming up on Friday
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  night, March the 8th. So you can register now online. You can register to watch it at your house
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  with your family. You can actually register to host it at your church. We would love for whole
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  congregations to get together and watch this. As you mentioned, Stephen Curtis Chapman, leading the
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  worship for the evening as well. We have three brothers and sisters who have encountered persecution
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  firsthand. So you have Heather Mercer, who was imprisoned by the Taliban in Afghanistan. You have
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  Hassan Abdur Rahim, who was arrested and imprisoned in Sudan alongside my coworker Peter Yassik.
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  You have John Samara, who leads a team of gospel workers in the Middle East and North Africa.
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  He is seeing amazing results for the ministry that he's doing, but they face persecution every
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  single day. They know they are in harm's way. In fact, just recently, one of the pastors that he
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  works with was kidnapped by a terrorist group. They were sending text messages to the congregation
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  showing how they were mistreating their pastor. Thankfully, the Lord intervened and he was rescued
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  kind of miraculously actually rescued from that. But those are the kind of frontline workers that
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  John is working with. And we will hear about that on March the 8th during this virtual event.
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  Again, it's free. We do ask you to register. We want to know how many people are watching.
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  You'll need a link to be able to do that. And I would encourage you if you're in a Sunday school
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  class or a Bible study group or a church, get a group of Christian friends together and participate.
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  And we're going to be challenged. We're going to be challenged. Some of the same questions
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  we've already asked is like, Hey, what do we do when there's opposition? What do we do when it's
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  dangerous to follow Jesus? Those kind of questions are great things to address as a group with
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  your Bible study group, with your discipleship group, to kind of talk through and hear these
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  stories and talk through. Okay, what does that mean for me living here in the United States?
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  Yeah, exactly. Because I mean, if we can't even share our faith here, we're somewhat comfortable
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  and we're somewhat protected. I can't imagine being in some of these other countries. But that's
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  why I appreciate your work, Todd and what you do at Voice of the Martyrs. Let's talk about a few
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  stories and let's start with India because that is one of the topics I received from Voice of the
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  Martyrs. It says India's status changed to restricted nation. And man, I thought it was already
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  dangerous to share the Gospel there and it was already restricted. But I guess it wasn't
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  technically as far as status goes, can you explain that for us, Todd? Yeah, absolutely. So there's
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  more than 70 countries where Christians are persecuted for their faith and Voice of the Martyrs,
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  we classify them two ways. We say a hostile area was one where the government at least pays
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  lip service to the idea of protecting religious freedom. Maybe there are family members who
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  persecute Christians. Maybe there are radical groups that persecute Christians. But by and
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  large, it's not the government that's doing the persecution. Then we talk about restricted
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  nations where it is the government. They are the problem. They are the persecutor. This change
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  of status for India to restricted nation means that the government is the persecutor and we have
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  seen this change over the last number of years after Prime Minister Modi took power 10 years
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  ago. He brought with him this Hindu nationalist mindset. And literally there have been government
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  ministers that have talked about India is a Hindu country. Sometimes they even call it Hindu stand,
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  the land of the Hindus. They talk about the soil of India is Hindu soil. And so if you're not a
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  Hindu, according to Prime Minister Modi and his government, you don't really have a place in India.
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  You don't really belong there. And so that attitude has filtered down into the whole country.
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  It is affecting how our brothers and sisters there are persecuted. And so that's why we have
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  made this change to point out the fact that it's it's not a sort of odd occurrence when an
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  Indian Christian is persecuted. It's not because there's just a radical group in their village.
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  It's the national government that is really setting the tone for persecution in the country.
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  Yeah, I see that way back in 2002. The voice of the martyrs designated India as a hostile area
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  back then. And it's interesting. Things changed depending on the governments and whoever comes to
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  power. But just this list of restricted nations. Todd, where's the best place? Do you have a
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  place on your website where you have a list that people can look at? We do. We have a global
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  prayer guide. We have the website version again, persecution.com right on the front page.
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  There's a link to the global prayer guide. We will send that to people on paper. We will also put
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  that that information is also online. But as we rate these countries and I'm glad you mentioned
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  going back to 2002. But I remember when on our prayer map, we literally had certain states of India
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  highlighted like this is a hostile area because the state government is against Christians or
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  this is a place we see a lot of persecution. Then we went to the whole country as hostile because
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  there was so much persecution happening. And now we've made the change to restricted nations
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  signifying the fact that it's the government that was really driving the persecution in India today.
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  Okay, yeah, I found that map and we just put it up there for our listeners to see our viewers.
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  I should say to see Turkey. Turkey wanted to share about a recent attack at a church there.
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  Yeah, there was an attack two Sundays ago at a church in Istanbul. In this case, it was a Catholic
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  church. Two masked gunmen walked into the church very casually. First, they fired into the air,
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  then they shot a man who was in the church. There are two different stories about what was really
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  happening here. So there's one story that says after that, their guns jammed and so they couldn't
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  shoot anyone else. So they just left. The second story is a little maybe more interesting.
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  The man who was shot was actually born in a Muslim family. He was shot and killed by these two
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  gunmen. According to many radical Muslims, if you were born in a Muslim family and here you are
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  on a Sunday morning in a Christian church, you're in a prostate. You should be executed. And so
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  there is some thought that he was the target of this attack. The whole idea was to kill this
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  apostate Muslim. At this point, we don't know exactly what the truth is. And the Turkish government
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  has arrested literally dozens of people that they say are involved. And behind this, the two gunmen
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  are reportedly not Turkish. They are from other countries outside of Turkey. The other really
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  interesting thing about this case is the group that took responsibility for it was ISIS
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  of the Turkey province. And so and that this is the first time we've had an attack by this
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  so-called ISIS Turkey branch. And for Christians in Turkey, they are like, wait a minute. If
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  there is an active ISIS branch now focusing on Turkey and focusing on us as Turkish Christians,
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  that's clearly a big cause of concern for them. So this is something we'll see how it develops,
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  we'll see what happens as far as the justice system and the court process. But it's something
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  that Christians in Turkey are certainly paying attention to and saying, wait, what does this
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  mean for us in the future? We're with Todd Nettleton, Voice of the Martyrs, the website
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  persecution.com. We'll be right back on World View Matters. Today's show is brought to you by
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  Okay Todd, one thing I wanted to say that we did want to skip over too fast when you were talking
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  about India. It's not just Christians that were being persecuted there. India wants to even
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  Muslims, right? They wanted to even get out anybody that was not a Hindu. So that's very interesting.
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  So there are different groups being persecuted in different countries. Sometimes it's not Christians,
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  it's just, you know, if you're not a national, like a Hindu or, yeah, so anyway, I just wanted to
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  share that briefly because I found that to be very interesting that they were going after
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  the Muslims as well. Let's go over to Cuba, Todd. And you said you have some good news about
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  something God's doing over there. We want to hear it because Cuba, you think, oh, but yeah,
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  tell us what's going on. And we like good news, don't we? We love it when we get to say good
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  things about what's happening in hostile and restricted nations. I had the chance this week to
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  sit down with a pastor from Cuba and he talked about how there is a crackdown going on in the
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  country, the government, the communist government there absolutely is opposed to the church. They
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  will not allow new church buildings to be built. They will not allow old church buildings to be
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  repaired. They will not allow Christians to buy homes that would be big enough to hold gatherings.
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  And so Christians have said, okay, we don't have a church building. We don't have a big enough
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  house to have church. We'll go out in the streets. We'll go out in the forest. We don't care. We're
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  just going to meet. We're going to study. We're going to study God's word. We're going to praise him
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  together. There was an event recently where 10,000 Christians showed up at one of these outdoor
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  locations. It's completely illegal. The government did not give permission. Every pastor that was
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  involved in organizing this event was penalized afterwards. All of them were interrogated. All
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  of them were questioned. All of them were pressured. But the pastors in Cuba are saying, listen,
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  we understand that's going to be the cost. But we're going to serve the Lord. We're going to do
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  what he asks us to do. And so, and this is one of many events that are happening. As Cuban
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  Christians say, we are going to serve the Lord. We know the government is against that. We know
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  it is going to cost us. We're still going to serve the Lord. And so exciting to hear,
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  voice of the martyrs was actually somewhat a part of that event. We actually provided
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  Bibles for all the 10,000 people who showed up to that event. So we had a Bible distribution
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  right there. It is so difficult for the average Cuban Christian to get their own copy of God's
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  Word. And so for us to be able to help meet that need and send those people home with the Bible,
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  what a what a blessing for us to be involved in. Like I say, it's exciting to see God at work.
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  And Christians willing to take the risk. One of the one of the really hard things to hear from
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  this pastor is how pastors children are punished because their father is a pastor. Like for instance,
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  they could be at the top of their class from kindergarten through 12th grade. But when it comes time
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  for graduation day, they might not get a diploma. And it's like, wait a minute, I did all the work.
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  I was at the top of my class. Yeah, but your dad is not with the revolution. Your dad is not
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  a good citizen of our country. We're not going to reward you. And so you have all of their
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  opportunities being taken away from them, all of their opportunities being cut off from them.
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  And you know, this pastor's his own children have experienced some of that. And he said,
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  our our children understand this is a part of following Jesus. This is a part of the price that we
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  pay. And so, but I just thought, you know, I thought of my own kids. I thought of, you know,
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  how you work hard through all those years. And then to have that just snatched away from you.
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  Or the only reason because your father is a pastor, we're not going to reward you.
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  How frustrating, how discouraging that would be. So I hope those who are watching,
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  I hope you'll pray for our brothers and sisters in Cuba. And especially for pastors and their
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  families. Yeah, that's great news. I mean, when we first started hearing you talk about this,
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  I'm thinking, did I hear right? This is in Cuba, where there's that first of all, they're holding
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  outdoor events. There's that many people. But for pastors and church leaders here in America,
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  that those kind of stories, they must stiffen their spines, their faith, encourage their faith.
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  Because that's over there in Cuba right here. Yes, there's there's a cost to following Christ.
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  But in America, we've got a little bit of a reprieve because of the Constitution, as we've mentioned.
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  But how do you get the Bibles to them? And doesn't the government try to stop
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  Bibles from coming into the country? Yes, the government tries to stop it. And I probably shouldn't
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  tell you how we get them to. Okay, that's that's that's fine. We understand. So, you know, I as I
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  talked to this pastor, I was reminded I met a pastor in China several years ago. And he said this
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  phrase, he said, everything is illegal, but everything is possible. And I shared that with this
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  Cuban pastor. And he said, that's exactly what I mean, that that's exactly how it is. Yes,
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  everything is illegal. But because we're willing to pay the price, everything is possible.
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  Yes, it's going to cost us, but everything is possible if you're willing to pay the price.
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  So somehow, Bibles got into the country, got into Cuba, and we're given to people at this
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  event where thousands showed up. Praise God, Todd Nettleton. That's a great story. But this isn't
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  even maybe even a greater story in a different way in Africa, what you guys are doing, where people
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  are reaching out and helping those who have gone through trauma or persecution. And they're ministering
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  to those people. You've got more people training to be a part of that. Tell us what's going on there.
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  That sounds really neat. I'm so excited about this. We actually, I want to encourage people,
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  listen to our Voice of the Martis Radio episode this week and next week. Because we have the leader
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  of this trauma training ministry, his name we call him brother Philip. And he has been doing this
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  for more than 20 years. In fact, he got a lot of his training working in the US prison system,
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  working with prisoners who had been traumatized and helping them work through that. He has brought
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  that education and brought that experience to VOM and he's helping us deal with persecuted
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  Christians who have been through trauma. And one of the things he said, and I think this will
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  help our viewers to understand what we're talking about. He said, if you've been traumatized and you
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  don't process that, you don't deal with that trauma, it's always like it happened yesterday.
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  It was, it's never six months ago. It's never a year ago. It's always like it happened yesterday.
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  And so when you think about it and he is working in in Western Africa, when you think about a village
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  where radical Muslim terrorists came into the village and they killed all of the men and they
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  sexually assaulted all of the women, what kind of trauma does those are sisters, those sisters in
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  Christ carry with them from that time, from that suffering. And so what he is doing is he's
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  training pastors, he's training church leaders in how to help them overcome that, overcome that
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  trauma and process it and and see the Lord's hand even in the midst of that. And so we have heard
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  some amazing stories. One of one of the ladies that he is working with, what it went through a
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  horrible persecution trauma, literally to the point that she did not speak. For two years,
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  she did not speak. She lost her voice, was unable to get past this trauma. She began working with
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  our team there in Western Africa. And the Lord gave her back her voice. She has regained the
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  ability to speak. And not only is she regained the ability to speak, she is leading the prayer
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  ministry in her church. So she is using her voice to lead the prayer ministry in her church.
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  That's one example of this ministry. And I'm so excited that Voice of the Martyrs is doing this
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  because it's, you know, it's easy to say, here's a blanket and here's a plate of food. Now go be
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  well. But if it's always like that trauma happened yesterday, how do you go and be well? How do
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  you go on and serve the Lord? And so I'm just thrilled that our staff and I'm thrilled that
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  Brother Philip is a part of it. And I want to encourage you, go to vonradio.net, listen to this
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  conversation. It's going to help you pray. It's also going to help you as you think about experiences,
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  maybe your friends, your relatives have gone through to help them get through that and help them
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  find how they can serve the Lord on the other side of it. What an amazing and a huge need
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  that is now practically being met. And man, I wish we would have heard about this many, many,
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  many years ago, but at least you guys are doing something about it because you think of all the trauma
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  when it comes to those who have been persecuted, those who've had a limb cut off or those who've lost
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  all their families or houses burnt down. It's just the violent attacks and, you know, the trauma
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  that takes place and so many that need to be ministered to. Well, Todd, I just am so thankful for
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  to hear that story as well. There's also a great story about a pastor in Iran who secret police
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  arrived and arrested him and his wife and their 17 year old son for others. They went to prison.
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  They're apparently a prison with 6,000 inmates and they began writing memorized Bible verses on
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  paper and that grew because after several months, they were still in prison. That's a great story
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  too. And I got that through voice of the martyrs and when a recent mailing. Do you want to touch on
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  that one? Are you familiar with that story, Todd? Yeah. In fact, I had the chance to meet pastor
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  Hamayun several years ago and hear his story. As you said, he was arrested and he has an amazing
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  testimony. He was a drug addict that the Lord rescued out of drug addiction and he became an
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  incredible witness and incredible minister in Iran. But of course, when you do that, you end up in
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  jail and he was in jail with several other Christians and they didn't have access to a Bible.
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  But what they did do is they got a notebook and they got a pencil and they circulated
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  among all the Christians and said, hey, write down all of the verses you've memorized in this notebook.
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  This is going to be our Bible. And so those 6 Christians wrote down every verse they had memorized,
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  they captured them right then and that became their prison Bible through the long months that he
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  was in prison. Wow. What a phenomenal story. And by the way, friends, go to persecution.com.
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  Also, Todd's book, when faith is forbidden, that's available on the website or it's available
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  on Amazon. Great story. These are personal interviews he's had with people, Christians on the
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  front lines that have been persecuted. And we can really, really appreciate some of the suffering
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  and some of the things people go through and they give God the glory and they keep their faith.
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  And we just are amazed and inspired by those stories. So Todd, thank you for your work.
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  And Lord willing, we'll get another update from you next time. But good to see you, brother.
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  It's good to see you too. Thanks for having me. Oh, praise God. Thank you for your time.
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  persecution.com, friends, and you can get the voice of the martyr's newsletter, the magazine.
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  I'd encourage you to do that. It's free and support them if you can. Well, more to come next time.
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  God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.