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- 0:00Hey, this is w W E and c W alumni look blue meaning and
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- 1:15you back? Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Chilling of all ages.
- 1:34Welcome to another episode of PCW podcast Championship Wrestling. My name is Wayne.
- 1:40I am also known as Semi Dry Chicken, and today we are going
- 1:45to be going over our predictions for King and Queen of the Ring for twenty
- 1:52twenty four. It will be held in Jetta, Saudi Arabia. You know
- 1:57what. We were just came from Leon for aunts. Now we're going to
- 2:01Jetta, so we're going all over the place and hopefully we don't forget anybody
- 2:06because this time we are taking well, I'll let you the guys know who
- 2:10we're taking. Dre Welcome back, yo, Yo? What di do PCW
- 2:46crew? Dude? How hot do you think it's going to be in Jedda
- 2:53let's see what this time of year. Nay, I don't know, because
- 2:59I mean, they're I'm trying to think geographically where they're at, but I
- 3:01think they're relatively close to the equator. Every time we hear about them going
- 3:08over to any of the shows in Saudi, we just always here how hot
- 3:13it was, how humid it was, or like a dry heat. I
- 3:15mean, I'm sorry, not human, but yeah, it's just brutal.
- 3:21But hey, since last time we were at Leon Franz, we uh,
- 3:27we left somebody there. But don't worry. We're gonna be going to Jenna
- 3:30and we're taking somebody else with us. And here is from revisiting the media
- 4:00calls, Hey, what's going on? Guys? Thank you for having me
- 4:05back. I can't wait to get into this pay per view or excuse me,
- 4:11premium live event that's taking place at high noon for me in Chicago,
- 4:17and then we'll see what happens with this King and Queen of the Ring tournament.
- 4:27Yeah, I appreciate the hot tag. Man. I think, you
- 4:30know, Doyle missing another show, it's going to be like less is more,
- 4:36so people are gonna miss him more when he comes back. You know,
- 4:40he's out with it. Well, we'll say he's either left and we
- 4:44left him in France or he's out with an injury. But we're thinking of
- 4:48you, Doyle, you know, enjoy the show as a fan. Now
- 4:53as a peep, you're not just super the outside. We could have pretended
- 4:58that I always Live Morgan and the night threw a chair at Doyle and then
- 5:02be's out for damn you beat me to it. I'll Morgan's revenge tour.
- 5:08Oh man, you know what? Uh you know, speaking of Live Morgan,
- 5:14let's just go right into news because I just got a bunch of crap
- 5:16I just want to just talk about before we get into this breakdown. Real
- 5:20quick, here we go. You know, Stine, I'll say, well,
- 5:34I got news for you. News flash app. Okay, that's our
- 5:43news bumper. You know. Speaking of Live Morgan, seems like she's been
- 5:46in uh and if you have any kind of wrestling app, any wrestling news
- 5:51app, it seems like she's been just everywhere, uh, every day.
- 5:56It's something, whether it's about her her getting was arrested when she had marijuana
- 6:02on her and then there was her footage of it being released of her rest
- 6:08and then the police officers going through a diary that was released. Thankfully,
- 6:14nothing bad, you know, just all good stuff, I guess. And
- 6:19then found out that she wants to get into acting. That'd be different.
- 6:26I didn't peg her as somebody who'd want to be an actress one day,
- 6:30but I mean, we've seen tons and tons and tons of wrestlers transition into
- 6:36acting, so it's not out the realm of possibility, if you know.
- 6:43Also read a weird article that they asked if Live has ever farted in the
- 6:53ring. It's hard hitting news, guys, and she said no, but
- 6:58Sarah Logan has been known to fart a lot in the ring, and apparently
- 7:01somebody thought that was news. And dude, dude, I I wanted to
- 7:09verify this news before I talked about it, and I just put in my
- 7:12search engine and it's everywhere. Can you imagine being like Sarah Logan's just like
- 7:15looking on your news feed and they're like, what the fuck? Live?
- 7:20What? What the fuck shit? Imagine being the FBI guy that's tracking your
- 7:28browser history who sees you looking up Sarah Logan farting. I know, dude,
- 7:31what the research for a podcast? Goddamn it. Also, I guess
- 7:38the biggest news about Live is she's now single, she's no longer dating Uncle
- 7:43Howdy Bo Dallas. Yeah you better Bo believe it. So uh, all
- 7:51those single dudes out there, you may have a chance now it's not out
- 7:58the realm of possibility. And then I guess what else pictures of her?
- 8:05Like, I guess nobody knew that she used to work at Hooters before she
- 8:09was a wrestler. I got released too, So her business is all out
- 8:13there right now. And then whatever's going on with her storylines with with Dom
- 8:18and the Judgment Day and her revenge tour. So it's all the talk right
- 8:24now. Oh what are their news to I have? Al right, guys,
- 8:31So back in twenty eighteen, they signed a ten year deal for us
- 8:35to go over to Saudi Arabia to do these shows. I think it's like
- 8:41a two year maybe I'm trying to think of the names what we used to
- 8:50have, what they were called when they would go over there, because they
- 8:54were like basically they used them as jewel Yeah, yeah, Crown Jewels.
- 8:58Well they just called super Show or something. I think, so, yes,
- 9:01Sadly's super Show. It sounds about right. Yeah, before it was
- 9:05like Crown Jewel ah, yeah, it's like where fantasy matches happen. I
- 9:11guess right, not our fantasy matches though, just fantasy matches of Saudi Princess.
- 9:18They request wrestlers who uh who are dead or retired or you know I
- 9:26mentioned dead, Yeah, because they the one of the ultimate words to do
- 9:31with the company. Yeah, oh yeah that too. It's just like,
- 9:35you know, just so left field, like who they would pick and they
- 9:37would pay like any amount. I mean, their money talks. Because we've
- 9:43seen Sean Michaels come out of retirement, We've seen the terrible We've seen terrible
- 9:46Saudi matches. You know, that tag match became to Undertaker versus d X,
- 9:52that Undertaker versus Goldberg. You know, it's just I feel like the
- 10:00women's first Saudi matter was bad. But yeah, now in six to twelve
- 10:07months to looking at resigning and doing another deal, and because like you said,
- 10:13money talks, money talks, and all that matters at the end of
- 10:16the day. Like for the most part, these Saudi shows would be the
- 10:20equivalent of like an anime filler episode. They were just shows that happened,
- 10:24you ship for them to make them feel like they paid, they justified the
- 10:30money that they spent and then we get back to the States and I back
- 10:33to our regular schedule programming. But this one's gonna be different, Yeah,
- 10:39because it's the actual King and Queen of the Ring Tournament happening, which is
- 10:46gonna actually have some real stakes with it this time, based upon the news
- 10:50that Oh Paul put out today or yesterday or whatever it was, that the
- 10:56winners of the tournament are going to get championship match opportunities at some point down
- 11:03the road. So I guess, I don't know. It seems kind of
- 11:09weird because you know, you never had a reason to give a shit about
- 11:11these shows, and now it's like, oh, this should actually matters for
- 11:15once, and even that title opportunity as it is, that's ah, how
- 11:20much shit can wwe do to give somebody a title opportunity. It's an opportunity
- 11:26down the road. Like we got the you know, oldie but goodie Royal
- 11:31Rumble, it guarantees you the WrestleMania title match. Now we got our King
- 11:35and Queen of the Rings tournament, which is gonna get you a title match.
- 11:39Then there's money in the bank that's coming up what June July. That's
- 11:43a guaranteed title match, then whatever the fuck they feel like throwing number one
- 11:48contenders in the mix. Those people get title matches, like damn, come
- 11:56up, can they? I mean it's I guess it's a cool thing have,
- 12:00but at some point you kind of wish they would come up with a
- 12:03different type of reward or something for it. Yeah, I mean, I
- 12:07yeah. There's another breaking news is that they announced that, Like I believe
- 12:11that is a good you know, reward for winning a King of the Ring.
- 12:18You're not just walking around with a fake ass crown, I mean a
- 12:24title shot. That's what they used to do, correct, like back in
- 12:26the back in the day. I don't know when they stopped doing that because
- 12:31I don't remember like to be able to like before the King of the Ring
- 12:35Tournament because I had to look it up before. H Yeah, for our
- 12:39episodes, it was not televised. It was like held I think it was
- 12:43either in Stanford or in some other like they always held the King of the
- 12:48Ring Tournament, but it was at a house show. Yeah, until like
- 12:52ninety one or ninety two, but they always had like and then that's when
- 12:56you would randomly get like Carlie Race as the King yeah, then like yeah,
- 13:01then yeah, you would get like random people being the King, and
- 13:05like they would have to explain it to you on Superstars or wherever, and
- 13:09then they would show you the highlights. But yeah, there was an actual
- 13:13pay per view for King of the Ring until like ninety one. Yeah,
- 13:18ninety one, because actually I already hear it. You're right. In nineteen
- 13:20eighty five, Don Morocco defeated runner up Iron Chic for the win, and
- 13:30then eighty six we had Harley Race, eighty seven, Randy Savage, eighty
- 13:35eight, Ted Dibiosity eighty nine, Tito Santana, and then in ninety one,
- 13:41in ninety three it was brought hard. Nothing happened in ninety two,
- 13:46and then you know, twenty five years ago it was own Hart. So
- 13:54I mean that's damn twenty five years ago. Damn you had the King of
- 13:58Hearts. Yeah, yeah, Brett and Owen back to back. Then.
- 14:03Yeah, I'll just run through them real quick. Stone called Steve Austin.
- 14:05This is in ninety six, ninety seven, Triple H ninety eight, Ken
- 14:09Shamrock ninety nine and two thousand. We have a Billy Gunn and Kurt Angle
- 14:15two thousand and one, in two thousand and two it was edge In brock
- 14:18Lessner. I remember when brock Lesner won it. Two thousand and six Booker
- 14:22t won it, but that's when it was specifically for a SmackDown, and
- 14:26we got King booka uh. And then we had William Regel in two thousand
- 14:31and eight. Oh wow, that's right, William Regel was King there,
- 14:37okay. And then twenty ten we had Seamus twenty fifteen, Bad News Barrett,
- 14:41twenty nineteen Baron Corbyn, and then we took a break, and then
- 14:46in twenty twenty one we had Xavier Woods And yeah that's twenty twenty one.
- 14:52Now we're twenty twenty four. Hopefully maybe we bring this back a little bit
- 14:58more often. It looks like there's a lot of gaps throughout the years of
- 15:03King of the Ring winners. You know, I I know, I kind
- 15:07of like ran through those, but Betray, Like, give me like your
- 15:11three top favorite King of the Ring winners. I want to hear all both
- 15:15of your guys, Like I remember Red because he was the first one that
- 15:22you know, well, I won't say the first one that really mattered,
- 15:24because I mean when Macho Man Randy, when Savage wont it. That's how
- 15:28we got the Macho King Randy Savage. Yeah, because he was King of
- 15:31the ring. So yeah, I'm gonna say my three favorites. I'll say
- 15:37Randy Savage, he was the first one I became aware of. And again
- 15:43Macho King Randy Savage versus. Then I'll say Brett Hart. Obviously with him
- 15:54being actually tied to a pay per view helped elevate his career a little bit,
- 16:02helped kind of help set him when that pass towards being you know,
- 16:06the guy as part of his ascension. And then Stone call Steve Boston could
- 16:11for obvious fucking reasons, Austin three to sixteen and we all know this the
- 16:17rest of the story from there. So yeah, I would say those are
- 16:18my three favorites. Cool, Uh, Carlos, what's yours? Man?
- 16:25What's your most memorable favorite? Three? Uh? The Macho King, Yeah,
- 16:32because that gave us the whole pairing of sensational Chrry with him and gave
- 16:37us a great little heel run with Macho Man. And of course Stone Cold
- 16:42Steve Austin because we wouldn't have had the whole promo of Austin three sixteen.
- 16:48And then the King Booker dude, I'm right there with you, dude,
- 16:52Randy Savage, Stone Cold, Steve Auston and Booker like yeah, most like
- 17:00recent like era you know for us, Booker T. Like honestly, it
- 17:06was like it turned his career around. I think he was getting stale shit
- 17:08in ww ah and that's I think that's when he got one more world title
- 17:15run. That's when he became the sixth time. Everybody listen, sixth time.
- 17:21A lot of people forget Booker T is a six time heavyweight champion.
- 17:26Uh yeah, Stone getting it. That's how I always held it. Whereas
- 17:34memorable moment, it should be like something that propels and gives you the ability
- 17:40to kind of have the ball, Like simulate you having the ball, like
- 17:44if we had to put it in tears, like this is you being like
- 17:48a blue chipper somewhere in the n cuble A. We're gonna give you the
- 17:52ball, and we're gonna, you know, for this collegiate level and see
- 17:56how you handle it and then see if we can give you. Because there's
- 18:00lots of guys that have been King of the ring, you know, especially
- 18:03like just recently with like Xavier Woods and Selina Vega. They gave them this
- 18:08thing and it didn't propel them, right, you know, they had like
- 18:12I think maybe one or two chances that met like singles gold, and they
- 18:17really didn't do anything, Like they didn't give them the belts or anything like
- 18:21that. So obviously they didn't see anything that they were doing with it.
- 18:26Yeah, you're absolutely right about that. They've there are plenty of people who
- 18:30have won the King of the Ring and it's amounted to absolutely nothing. They
- 18:36basically became like a hollow title like king Rings. So so at least Triple
- 18:42HS appears to be trying to make it something that we care about, or
- 18:48give us a reason to care about this King of the Ring tournament because,
- 18:52like you said, the memory of the last two is probably still fresh in
- 18:56people's heads. And the book of this tournament so far, I won't say
- 19:03it's been bad or haphazard, saying anxiety, yes, guy's loss, but
- 19:08it has seemed it has been considered by some people to be cursed giving it.
- 19:15How many people have been in the tournament and then been injured, like
- 19:19Exavier Woods was supposed to be in it to defend his crown injured Selina Vega
- 19:23was supposed to be in it to defend her crown injured, Bobby lastly was
- 19:27supposed to be in it injured, And I'm not just saying I think one
- 19:32or two more people were supposed to be in it at the beginning and then
- 19:36had to pull out because of injury. So this is the way of giving,
- 19:44you know, trying to say face on the tournament, but ultimately it's
- 19:47all TBD in terms of you know what happens afterwards. Yeah, I think
- 19:53it's made it a little bit predictable in terms of who's probably going to win,
- 19:57given that he made this and that before this, you probably could have
- 20:02gone either way with I mean, obviously we know who's coming who's representing on
- 20:07the raw side between Gunter and Lyra Valcarrarie bullshit, But yeah, we still
- 20:15don't know who their smack down opponents are going to be, and you maybe
- 20:18could have made an argument that, Okay, whoever they comes out on the
- 20:22SmackDown side could go either way as far as the King and Queen, now
- 20:26that they put the title match, opportunity connected that to the winner. At
- 20:36least for me, it's kind of taken a bit of the anticipation out of
- 20:40the finals. It's made the finals kind of predictable, Like I'm like nine
- 20:45certain who's going to be King and Queen of the Ring. Now, guys,
- 20:52this news drop this week, well, actually, this one I think
- 20:56dropped today. We found the Summer Slam is going two nights. We're gonna
- 21:04get two nights of Summer Slam. My question is to you, guys,
- 21:11do we see this stopping? What's next? Survivor Series? The Royal Rumble?
- 21:18Like the Big Ones, right, the Big Four, that's what they're
- 21:21gonna do two nights in a row? Is is this? Do we have
- 21:25enough to do two nights Summer Slam? Like? Is this a good idea?
- 21:30Do you guys like this? Likere is this a good idea? I'm
- 21:33not opposed to it. I'm honestly not opposed to it. Yeah. For
- 21:37the longest well, SummerSlam is one. SummerSlam is long established as being WWE's
- 21:42second largest pay per view. Yeah, it's been that way for the longest
- 21:47time. Is their second biggest one of the year. Plenty of comebacks happened,
- 21:52a lot of major storylines happened, or major pivots and storylines happen.
- 21:56It's a big deal. So if they were going to make another pay per
- 22:02viewer pl a two night a ventner, Summer slams the obvious choice. It's
- 22:07gonna basically be the WrestleMania of the summer, so I'm not mad at it
- 22:12at all. Obviously, money talks, so there's clear there's clear incentive for
- 22:21WWE to do this and try it out on their second largest pl of the
- 22:26year, that being Summer Slam. It's proven successful with WrestleMania. Remember when
- 22:32they first went to two nights, people were apprehensive about that totally forgetting about
- 22:37the fact that people were complaining about how long WrestleMania was in the first damn
- 22:41place, like, oh my god, wrestling is gonna be five hours and
- 22:44all this, this, that and the third. So they said split it,
- 22:48and it's worked out great for WWE. It works out good for the
- 22:52fans. You're not sitting in the stadium all night, although they are starting
- 22:56to become longer again. But you know, it's always room to modify that.
- 23:00Like this year's Wrestlanting wasn't that bad as far as length, No,
- 23:06not at all. There wasn't like any time, but we were there in
- 23:08person, but like I mean, we weren't like, I'm more on,
- 23:12let's wrap it up. I want to go home, Like I was just
- 23:15like this night never ends. Well I was ready for night one day and
- 23:19we were freasing our asses off. But yeah, they didn't feel excessively long.
- 23:26So and obviously it's been great for revenue for the w WE. Obviously
- 23:33it's elevated up wrestlemanting to the point that now city's bid for it. You
- 23:37know, they don't have they don't have to sell WrestleMania to anybody anymore.
- 23:41So if they think they can pull that off with another po league, obviously
- 23:45it would be Summer Slam. Build that one up, get it to WrestleMania
- 23:49level, get it to where people call it the you know, WrestleMania of
- 23:52the summer, and then you get cities starting to bid on that, you
- 23:56get more revenue coming in for that. I mean, it makes total sense
- 24:00from a business standpoint, from a marketing standpoint, even arguably from a storyline
- 24:07standpoint and stuff like that. Obviously, if it's going to be a two
- 24:11night event, you got to come up with enough content to fill that out.
- 24:15So you know, majors, that means more matches. Hopefully that'll mean
- 24:21more money for the wrestlers too. Rather than having to cramp stuff into a
- 24:23single one night event, you can spread that out over two nights. Hopefully
- 24:29that can gives more wrestler's opportunities to perform and be on the show make money
- 24:33for them. Honestly, I struggle to find any negatives about it. Honestly,
- 24:37I think it's a win across the board. Carlos. I mean,
- 24:44how do you feel now it's gonna be two nights in a row? Well,
- 24:51I don't have a problem with it being two nights in a row.
- 24:53My only issue with it is actually fine ways to actually make it to be,
- 25:03to find a reason why it's two nights in a row. You know,
- 25:07is it gonna be Are you gonna have like some type of gimmick match.
- 25:12Are you gonna have like right now we have the King of the Ring.
- 25:15Is that gonna go away and maybe one night will be the King of
- 25:19the Ring thing and then one night will be regular SummerSlam? Or is it
- 25:26gonna be the money in them bank? Is that gonna go away and just
- 25:32be in one night in Summer Slam? You know, you have to find
- 25:34a reason to make it two nights. I'm sure, they got two years
- 25:38to figure it out. It's not until twenty twenty six. So yeah,
- 25:41let's see what they can come up with. Yeah, I mean even if
- 25:45they did one, uh like if they were really adamant about trying to keep
- 25:52these robsters separate, that'd be a good one where you could do like raw
- 25:55has this this pl Saturday Night and this SmackDown as you know this one that's
- 26:00also very possible. Uh. Along with that, how about the talk of
- 26:10UFC wants to have Fridays and Saturdays and then they're gonna put us back on
- 26:15Sundays. Guys, I personally don't like it. I don't like pay per
- 26:22views on Sundays. I've gotten a customed. But then again, I didn't
- 26:26like them on Saturdays. At first I didn't. I hate the idea,
- 26:30but then the then like, oh I can stay up late and sleep in
- 26:33because I don't have to work the next day because it's Sunday. That was
- 26:37always nice. Uh, but I I don't want to go back on Sundays
- 26:44pay per reviews already long enough. Now I'm gonna have to stay up late
- 26:48and like, yeah, I'm going to I'm gonna watch it like I'm gonna
- 26:51watch it before I watch it all obviously, and you know, with social
- 26:53media and then just it's it's so easy to get spoiled by shit, so
- 26:59easy. So I'm the type of persons I gonna watch it within like twenty
- 27:06four hours of being dropped, I mean, real quick. Dre going back
- 27:11to Sundays, yeah, nay, fuck no, it's a terrible idea.
- 27:18UFC need to calm their ass down and shut the fuck up. It makes
- 27:23zero sense whatsoever to try to force wwepl's back into Sundays just so you can
- 27:32have Saturdays and shit, like there's four to five Saturdays in a month,
- 27:37fucking pick one. You don't have to be on the same weekend as WWE.
- 27:42I know you ain't been doing it. Now, What the hell is
- 27:45the point of it of trying to do it now? Yep, you think
- 27:48you're gonna try to make some big event out of this, like UFC WWE
- 27:52weekend. Saturday you get this UFC and Sunday you get WWE. No,
- 27:57it's not gonna work, is there. Honestly, I don't know that the
- 28:02fan bases overlap as much as UFC thinks they do. Again, I'm not
- 28:07saying that they don't because I know there's a substantial overlap, but I don't
- 28:11know if there's that much overlap that you're gonna get people to like really invest
- 28:18in something like or buy in like that. The WWE model is on a
- 28:22is pls on a streaming platform. You know, when you come on,
- 28:27you log on the peacock, you press play and it goes. UFC is
- 28:32still pay per view format, so when it comes on, people actually have
- 28:37to buy in and want to do it. So is UFC trying to trying
- 28:42to, you know, get the rub from ww to try to get some
- 28:45people to tune into their stuff and try to up there by rates because I
- 28:51don't. That's the only person I see, the only NT that I see
- 28:55gaining any benefit from this. WWE I think loses out completely because they're back
- 29:00in the same issue where they were before, of trying to one being on
- 29:04Sundays, which people were used to because that's all we pretty much had pretty
- 29:08much all we knew before, you know, back then, pay per views
- 29:14Sunday, that's all we news. We just rolled away and accepted it.
- 29:17But once we got to taste of this good life for these Saturday night papers,
- 29:21Git PLS. Anybody trying to go back to that ship exactly. Ain't
- 29:25nobody trying to go back to that Ain't nobody trying to be sitting around during
- 29:27football season having to make decisions of damn, do I watch the Sunday night
- 29:33game or do I watch the pay per view or the p l E.
- 29:36We ain't had to worry about that no more. We had Saturday Boom watch
- 29:41your pl Sunday football was in a great place. Fuck it all up.
- 29:48We don't need that, Like like even though we would go to events on
- 29:52the weekends like here, it's like cool, we can go and don't worry
- 29:56about us, you know, coming back late and ship because we don't have
- 29:59to work on some Now It's like, dude, I don't even know if
- 30:02I can go to paper view on Sunday because I have to take off work
- 30:03for Monday because I won't be able to get up at three in the morning
- 30:07to go to work. It's a terrible idea, And honestly, I think
- 30:15WWE knows it's a terrible idea. I think TKO knows it's a terrible idea.
- 30:21I think you have somebody in UFC maybe trying to make it happen.
- 30:23But I don't think it's gonna happen. I think it's gonna get shut down.
- 30:26I think they're gonna be like, Nope, this is working. We
- 30:30got all these damn weeks. Y'all can just be on separate weeks. It's
- 30:33totally fine, it's working. Any benefits to trying to force WWE into Sundays
- 30:41just so UFC can have the Saturday they want. Fuck y'all, Carlos,
- 30:45do you take a big Vince Man shit on this topic as well? Well,
- 30:52not only me, but I'm sure all the international fans that they have
- 30:56will also take a big shit on this, like Aliens and the Japanese people,
- 31:03anyone that lives in the future, you know, just like the Saudi's
- 31:07and you know some of the UK and people like that who are like,
- 31:11well, when you're you know, when your pay per view is on seven,
- 31:15it's like, you know, something that I can wake up and eat
- 31:18breakfast to or you know, and if it's on Saturday, it's even better
- 31:22because they don't have to be up super early in the morning if they do
- 31:26have to work on Monday. Yeah, I think like numbers, Yeah,
- 31:33I think maybe the numbers will show if if that starts happening, like they're
- 31:38dwindling numbers of like, not everybody's gonna be able to tune in on a
- 31:42late Sunday night or at least stay logged in for the whole you know thing.
- 31:48And that's what I don't see it happening. And before it even gets
- 31:55to the point where they even try to say, hey, let's try it
- 31:57out, no, I think some smarter, common sense people in the room
- 32:01are going to be like, here's a whole list of fucking negatives, So
- 32:06why this is a bad idea? Yes, yes, now, you mister
- 32:08UFC guy who wants to do the shit, give me a positive and then
- 32:15after a couple minutes second like, yeah, I thought so. Next topic.
- 32:21So we all know that WWE has signed a contract. We talked about
- 32:24it before with Netflix. Monday Night, Row is going to Netflix twenty twenty
- 32:29five. Netflix asked, they requested that WWE give them more documentaries for Netflix,
- 32:40and by the way, I'm all for that shit, because WWE does
- 32:45documentaries very well, very very well. I will give them that. I
- 32:52like their documentaries. Netflix does really good documentaries, and the fact that we
- 33:00can maybe dig into maybe a lot of retired wrestlers dig into their careers and
- 33:07their lives more or even current wrestlers or like some you know, I know
- 33:15we have Dark Side of the Ring. I know A and E does something
- 33:17called Rivals. I know there's another show about WW Treasures. So there's other
- 33:28shows out there. But I just feel like Netflix is gonna put their little
- 33:30spin on this and it's gonna I think it's gonna be good. And I
- 33:35think it's gonna be great because it's gonna open up more people into maybe clicking
- 33:39on that Monday Night Raw, you know, live event that's going on on
- 33:45their Netflix. I think this might open up even more eyes to the product.
- 33:52So, I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I
- 33:55don't know what to really ask you guys about that, but I'm excited for
- 33:59it. Go ahead, Carlos, you got any thoughts. No, It's
- 34:07just one of those things. It's like they eventually will have to know that
- 34:13this isn't gonna work. So yeah, I think, uh, I think
- 34:19the potential is there for it to be something good that can work out.
- 34:23It all just depends on the execution. It all depends on how they deal
- 34:28with these documentaries. If they're all just fluff pieces then nobody's gonna give a
- 34:31shit. But I heard some where somebody compared it to I guess how.
- 34:39I don't know if it was Netflix or somebody had done with Formula one Racing,
- 34:45and I don't remember all the details about it, but how they did
- 34:50with Formula one Racing where they had some sort of I guess documentary series.
- 34:54I don't know if it was, like again, I'm not big on Formula
- 34:58one, so I don't know if it was following Drive throughout the season or
- 35:00something of that of that nature or what have you. But apparently that one
- 35:06worked out pretty well. It was well received and did good, So if
- 35:13ww does something similar to that, then perhaps it could prove successful. Or
- 35:20you know, maybe they do something like like how HBO has with the NFL
- 35:27with the Hard Knocks training camp type thing. Maybe they have some sort of
- 35:30that with NXT guys, with the NXT stars, whether they do some sort
- 35:35of training camp thing, or the ones who are maybe not fully NXT or
- 35:39Performance Center, maybe do some sort of hard knocks thing with them following them
- 35:44as their training and stuff, which I think WWE is kind of already sort
- 35:47of doing right now. Something similar to that, but something like that that
- 35:52takes you behind the curtain. It just kind of follows people I think could
- 35:57work along with more something more traditional documentary style about you know, profiles or
- 36:05events or this, that and the third. But only if they're honest.
- 36:09Again, like I said before, if they're just fluff pieces or just something
- 36:14to make everybody look good and sugarcoated and not you know, covering up all
- 36:19the bad things, like you know, nothing to see here, then don't
- 36:22waste my time with that. But give me some honesty in some documentaries or
- 36:28took me behind the scenes and seeing you know, people training and working and
- 36:34the part we see when we don't see when the cameras cut off that I'm
- 36:38here for. You know, I will say. The only thing that I
- 36:43am looking forward to with this Netflix thing. I was watching aw and you
- 36:52know, if you're watching it like on TNT, then you get like the
- 36:54picture in picture like they've been doing WWE does at times with the USA.
- 37:00But if you have to fight, if you have like the prescription the subscription
- 37:05that they have through Fight TV or Bleacher Report wherever, you don't get those
- 37:08commercial breaks. So Netflix has the you know, they have the no ads
- 37:15and then they do ads. Yeah, so I'm wondering we gonna get any
- 37:22type of commercial breaks now when Rod goes to Netflix or or like, if
- 37:28you don't pay for the ads, is it gonna be no match interruptions?
- 37:31You're getting everything full screen. You don't have to worry about watching the Snickers
- 37:37commercial and then watching EO Sky and Lyra Valkyria in the bottom corner of your
- 37:43screen and trying to make out what's happening or is it only gonna happen to
- 37:47that people who pay for Netflix with ads? Yeah, I am. I
- 37:52just recently, me and Andrews recently got Netflix again with the ads because we
- 37:58just have like so much streaming stuff. Uh so we got it with the
- 38:01ads, and you know what, like there really isn't that many ads for
- 38:06all the streaming networks that this one probably has the least amount. So it's
- 38:10promising because I was like, Okay, it's inevitable. I'm gonna have to
- 38:15get Netflix whether I like it or not. There's no piggybacking off people anymore.
- 38:20It's like, Okay, we have to cave in because of Monday night
- 38:23' all. I'm going to plain simple, just like Unfortunately I have Peacock
- 38:29now then forever, or at least until their contract runs out with Peacock or
- 38:34not contract they sell it right Like, I guess that's not gonna happen.
- 38:38So but uh, Peacock will always have my money. But uh yeah,
- 38:47manituaited for that bundle pricing. Yeah, all the bundle pricing. Yeah.
- 38:55Uh. Speaking of of you know, pop culture stuff, did you guys
- 39:00see the picture that we draft of The Rock as Mark Kerr? Is that
- 39:07Kerr? Is that my saying right? K e R? He's playing a
- 39:12former UFC fighter. Yet the picture and it, dude, it doesn't look
- 39:21like him at all. It don't look nothing. Yeah, it does not
- 39:23look like him at all. I was he looks like somebody, but I
- 39:27couldn't figure out, for the life of me who he looks like. But
- 39:30it doesn't look ship like The Rock right at all. I was just like,
- 39:36he looks like somebody, like almost for a second I thought he kind
- 39:38of looked like Steven Seagull back in the day. But you're right, it
- 39:45absolutely looks nothing like The Rock. Like he has hair. I'm almost thinking
- 39:51inclined to think he has some sort of he has to have some sort of
- 39:52prosthetics on his face. Yeah, yeah, for sure, unless that was
- 39:57just a particular angle or particular shot that they had, which it just for
- 40:02publicity's sake, which is very much a thing, you know, with marketing
- 40:07and all that stuff. They're like, oh, take this picture right here.
- 40:10It looks right, it looks great. That'll get people talking it it's
- 40:14rock, not looking like the rock. But then the trailer might come out
- 40:16and be like, oh no, it's just a rock with a way on,
- 40:20but it's all still TBD. But nevertheless, the picture accomplished this goal
- 40:23of getting people talking and at least having people interested in whatever this project is
- 40:30that the rock has coming up. Now we wait for a trailer. Oh
- 40:36yeah, that picture. Oh yeah, I saw that picture. I had
- 40:43a like zoom in and like, I'm like, is this him? It
- 40:50kind of reminded me It wasn't the Rester, but it kind of looked like
- 40:57Dan Severn. Yeah for a little bit, that old UFC guy from when
- 41:02they used to not have rounds and any type of tapouts and things like that.
- 41:07They just waited for you to pass out or or something. But that's
- 41:12what it kind of reminds me, you know, that you old UFC fighter.
- 41:20I got one more piece of news. Courdy Rhodes was discussing the other
- 41:27day on Busted Open Radio that he's teasing getting a manager for his ongoing title
- 41:35run. Here's what he said. One of the reasons I liked having arn
- 41:38Anderson around with me and aw was the same reason I would have loved to
- 41:44have my dad around me, because I'll tell you I'm lucky, and I'll
- 41:47tell you how hard I work. I'll tell you how grateful I am and
- 41:52how true and that it's true. But it's very nice to have a guy
- 41:57over my shoulder to say what you just said and say we're not apologizing for
- 42:01greatness or Miria. Oh my god. He's on and on and on.
- 42:07Basically, he wants a classic, a classic wrestling manager first title run,
- 42:14and I honestly, I can't think of anybody else the top of my head
- 42:20that would really fit. I don't know if you guys could could think of
- 42:25anybody right now that that's free, that's not an ad W that's not signed
- 42:30with another company that's available, that would be a good manager for him.
- 42:34It would be a classic, that's but I just don't know who. No
- 42:38I can't think of anybody, and honestly, I don't think he needs one.
- 42:43I think that was just kind of him just waxing poetic about something in
- 42:46the past that he liked, like it was cool when I had arn but
- 42:50it may be nice to do that again. But there's no really no reason
- 42:52why, especially at the face of the company. The only way I could
- 42:58even think of Cody having a manager would be if for some reason he turned
- 43:04heel and became cocky and you know, almost Roman reigns like whereas like I
- 43:12don't need to talk to you people, I'll let my mouthpiece do it.
- 43:15Yeah. Yeah, He's like, there's no more what do you want to
- 43:21talk about? Because I don't care what you want to talk about, right,
- 43:27oh man, yeah uh yeah. But I just I have no idea
- 43:30who Carlos. Can you say if anybody on the top of your head,
- 43:35like it would be a good manager. Not in the WWE, there's not
- 43:43like a lot of manager mouthpieces that are out there for either a babyface.
- 43:52The only one that's there is you know, Paul Haman and the next is
- 43:59not building it, Like they build the talent, but they don't build any
- 44:04type of managers. Or anything like that. I know you mentioned not anywhere
- 44:09else. But if he was to do it, and it would be a
- 44:14heel, Don Kallas would do a tremendous job in helping him get over.
- 44:17He's doing a real great job. And when he was doing it with Kenny
- 44:22Omega, with his family, he's just he's great at being an asshole.
- 44:29I love it. Nice. Yeah, that's a good one right there.
- 44:35He absolutely would. But I don't know, I don't know if he would
- 44:39fit in the in the WW, but he probably could. Yeah, he's
- 44:45probably He's probably about the only way I could think of that could be any
- 44:50kind of kind of manager that's not named Paul Hayman. Yeah, have you
- 44:57something's on the microphone. So, oh that's all I got for news.
- 45:04Uh, we can take a quick break here and then we can jump into
- 45:07the card. Let's dip out of here. It draws near the throne is
- 45:21calling. The King and Queen will be crowned. Where legends have been made
- 45:31in careers have been built, a grueling tournament where the championship tomorrow are forged
- 45:37in combat. Think about the all time breaks over the years that have held
- 45:40this crown, where victory sits you on a path to great des Solana is
- 45:45to play the only woman fit to be queen, and we're future Hall of
- 45:51Famers take their first step towards immortality. Alsted three sixteen says, I just
- 45:57whipped your ass. It's ring is now by how I'm Loyalty, Next True
- 46:02Mixed True. Next month, the tournaments began again as the top superstars from
- 46:12Raw and SmackDown look to advance to the finals of the King and Queen of
- 46:15the Rage for and by the Vat in Jedda, Saudi Arabia, who will
- 46:19seize their destiny and become the next King and Queen of the Ring. All
- 46:30Right, we're back, Okay, guys, let's break down this card.
- 46:34It's it's surprisingly not very large. Actually, they're still semi finals going on
- 46:43uh SmackDown, which is going to be tomorrow because we're recording on Thursday.
- 46:47And it's funny because it's actually going to be in Jeddah SmackDown and then then
- 46:54the pl next day, so it's back to back, which is kind of
- 46:58cool. In the past, what they've done is they've they kind of I
- 47:02think I've seen a film like two Separate, like they'll do. They'll have
- 47:06like the people who didn't go, we'll do like a show on SmackDown,
- 47:09and then you know, they'll have the people the other people who went,
- 47:13you know, do the pl the next day. So they they had enough
- 47:15talent that they were able to stretch that. But this year they're gonna just
- 47:21do back to back, which is good. I guess that's more money over
- 47:23there, right, more stuff that they can more mercy price sell over there,
- 47:28and just more time overall over there. I don't know how long,
- 47:36how many days they've been there, or how many days they will have been
- 47:38there. So yeah, let's go over this card. Let's go over the
- 47:47ones that we know of, and then we'll discuss the ones we don't know
- 47:51of. They're up in the air. Okay, first one I see here
- 47:55is Becky Lynch, who is the women's World champion versus Live Morgan. Okay,
- 48:06Live has been on tear like we talked about it, but like literally
- 48:13like beating the ship out of Rhea with a steel chair and taking her out
- 48:16of action. Like uh as her story, but you know, she's been
- 48:23the center of attention in the news media. Uh. The fans just seemed
- 48:30to be Uh. I don't know she seems like she's becoming like a super
- 48:36babyface like soon, Like she's just the fans are just loving her. I
- 48:40think her like maybe potential relationship with Dom is raising some of that credit credibility
- 48:50as a babyface dude, because like, I I don't know, I think
- 48:54she's going over as a baby face. I don't. I don't buy her
- 48:57as a heel even though what she did, I still don't buy her as
- 49:00a heel. I mean, I'm kind of with you there, I don't.
- 49:05I don't think she's full sunk. She's fully bought in as a heel,
- 49:08at least by the fans, aren't having brought her in exactly. I
- 49:12don't see baby facing anything that she's doing, Like all of her actions are
- 49:15very much healss right now. Promo this past Monday on Raw was actually probably
- 49:22one of the better promos that she's done, and pairing up broke with Donald
- 49:24Dom damn showing in a way to get somebody to be a baby face.
- 49:28I guess I'm not thinking of it as her what she's supposed to be.
- 49:31I guess I'm thinking of is what the fans are seeing her as, like
- 49:36we're I guess we're just maybe it's just fresh. Yeah, I get where
- 49:40you're going with it. Yeah, yeah, I think the fans are.
- 49:44I think the fans are honestly not that invested in her in either way.
- 49:49Like, I don't think the fans have really bought into her as a heel
- 49:52yet and their damn sure, but they damn sill don't want to cheer for
- 49:57her yet either, given that one, she's facing Becky Lynch, who's always
- 50:01over his hell, so she's clearly the heal in the situation. This whole
- 50:07Live Morgan revenge tour thing that she keeps talking about. It's a name,
- 50:12but it doesn't really have much any real teeth to it other than so far
- 50:16she took out Rhea Ripley's. But so is this the next step in her
- 50:22revenge tour because she seems to always make her revenge to her about Rhea and
- 50:29seemingly the judgment day doesn't She hasn't. She hasn't connected it to Becky Lynch
- 50:34yet, And I think that's kind of been the problem when this whole revenge
- 50:37stour, it's been singularly focused on one person. Now that person's out the
- 50:42picture, but you're still trying to keep this thing going, but you're involved
- 50:46with somebody else that's not related to it, and you haven't made a connections.
- 50:51And I think that's contributing to some of the fans disconnect with her and
- 50:54her character right now because she's not really good. She's a heel, clearly
- 50:59in my opinion, but she's not really getting over as a heel. And
- 51:04maybe it'll happen with Tom maybe, you know, just this thing needs to
- 51:07cook a little bit more, but right now it's very very man Yeah,
- 51:15I don't. I don't without that connection to Becky, like I know what
- 51:19you're talking about, because it makes me feel like, unless there's some sort
- 51:22of interference with Judgment day, I don't see Live leaving here with the title
- 51:29as popular and over as she is right now, it's still not gonna happen.
- 51:31Like you said, there's no connection. If this was real, I
- 51:37would be like, ooh, she might be a threat to her, But
- 51:40I don't know. I feel like we're sometimes things that happen in the Saudi
- 51:47shows. I feel like when we go back to the States, what happened
- 51:52in Saudi stays in Saudi, Like, so you know, I don't think
- 51:57Live winning in saul is in the cards. I am. I think Becky's
- 52:02gonna have her number. Carlos, do you do you think the same thing,
- 52:07Like, do you think Becky has Live's number or do you think this
- 52:09is where lives momentum keeps going and she snags the title from Becky until Ria
- 52:15comes back. Well, I think it just all depends. I think the
- 52:22last bit of news that we got on Becky's contract is that she hasn't renewed
- 52:25it yet as of what was that three weeks ago when we talked about it.
- 52:31It's supposed to be coming up, if not at WrestleMania or after WrestleMania.
- 52:37I didn't think about that. Yeah, that's the only thing that I'm
- 52:42gonna bring that up. That's a very valid point. So I'm not sure
- 52:46on that timeline. And then I remember that I had I'm not sure if
- 52:51I brought it up here or not, but I had mentioned that Sonya Deville
- 52:54could be someone that pops up and helps live as a muscle. And we
- 53:00just got the appearance of Sonia Deville on Monday after nine months. Luke,
- 53:05she disappears off of screen like side screen, like that's your comeback? Okay,
- 53:12Yeah, I mean, it wasn't hurting much. Maybe like the new
- 53:20fucking music is sad. You need to get her back in the eyes of
- 53:22people. And if she happens to find a way to help Live win and
- 53:28be Becky, this would help them both probably get more over as heels and
- 53:36anything like that. I could definitely see that going one way. But right
- 53:42now, it's just it's this is the most difficult one for me right now
- 53:46to actually pinpoint is because it could go either way. Then there's so many
- 53:52factors. But storyline wise, it looks like you would have back you win,
- 54:02but it's not going to be like you know, it's gonna be something
- 54:08where some type of like interference backfires that maybe Live tries to hit her with
- 54:14a chair or with the belt and Becky gets it, so they still have
- 54:19to redo this match at h at SummerSlam, you know, or something like
- 54:24that. Yeah, I'm with you as far as how difficult this match is
- 54:31to predict. But for me, the only reason why it's so difficult to
- 54:37choose a winner is because of Becky Lynch's contract situation being unknown. If I
- 54:43think if she were still well under contract with you know, if her contract
- 54:47was nowhere near about to expire. I think no question Becky Lynch wins this
- 54:52match like Live Morgan, it's just me is not there yet to be dethroning
- 54:58Becky Lynch. The only reason why it seems like Live Morgan stands a chance
- 55:02and it's match to me is because Becky Lynch's contract situation may be unknown and
- 55:08if she hasn't re signed or is choosing not to resign because she wants to
- 55:14take some time off again to maybe what Drew McIntyre was where he was at
- 55:21before he resigned, because it did come out that Drew never had any intention
- 55:27of signing anywhere else. He was just trying to decide whether he wanted to
- 55:32resign and you know, stay keep going with WW or if he wanted to
- 55:37take a break and take some time off for his family and stuff. Becky
- 55:42Lynch could be in that same situation. Maybe she wants to take some time
- 55:45off and you know, either decompressed, pursue other things, raise her daughter,
- 55:50or what have you. So if she's choosing to take some time off,
- 55:53then yeah, Live Morgan would win and become the champion. But outside
- 56:00that, I don't see any only any situation where liv Morgan wins this match,
- 56:06even with the possibility of outside interferance or anything like that, because I
- 56:08don't see anybody coming to her aid. She's kind of made enemies of essentially
- 56:14everybody and the Sonya Deville factor. I don't know if that's necessarily on the
- 56:19table right now. Because she they baseball will happen Monday. They seem to
- 56:22be setting up some sort of thing between her and Zoe Starkin's SHANEA. Basler.
- 56:30So, yeah, the contract is the only thing that's unknown that makes
- 56:34this hard for me to try to predict. So if I got to put
- 56:39something on it, I'm probably still going to lean Becky Lynch winning this match.
- 56:46I think I think she may win this match. And then maybe after
- 56:52she wins this match, some story will come out that Becky Lynch is re
- 56:58signed and maybe or maybe she already has re signed within the last week or
- 57:04two and they're just really keeping it quiet. If I if I gotta make
- 57:09a pick, that's what that's where I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna pick
- 57:12Becky Lynch to retain. Yeah, completely agree, all right, guys,
- 57:21Becky Lynch for the win. Uh this one. We have a triple threat
- 57:24for the WWE Intercontinental Championship. Excuse me, Uh, Sammy's in is going
- 57:34in as the champion against Chad Gable with otis versus Bronson Reid. So I
- 57:40love triple triple threat matches. I I loved the story with Chad Gable so
- 57:50far. Uh, It's just I I don't think this is where he gets
- 57:57to intercomental title though. I don't think is gonna be here. You know,
- 58:02I also thought that this might be the most likely titled change of the
- 58:07night, but I don't. I don't think it's gonna happen. I think
- 58:13it's I still think he's going to dump all of Alpha Academy before he gets
- 58:20the Inner Caninal title. Ah, but I see big things for him.
- 58:25I just think Samy's is gonna hold onto it a little bit longer. I
- 58:30think Sam's gonna slip out, whether it's Chad taking the pen or Bronson Reid.
- 58:37But yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Sammy rattaining dre. Y'all
- 58:45already know what my position is in this INKRT regarding Chad Gable and Sammy's ay.
- 58:52It's Chad Gable and Sammy's ay. I am Team chad Gable all day,
- 58:58every day, twice on Sunday. I'm still salty, and I feel
- 59:02like Sammy's Ain took the opportunity that was supposed to be Chad Gables. So
- 59:08on forever Team chad Gable when it comes to him and Sammy's Ain. That
- 59:14being said, sammy'se Ain's gonna fuck around and retain this goddamn title. Unfortunately,
- 59:19for all the reasons that you just laid out, it's not quite time
- 59:22for him yet. He's still got to be disappointed. He needs to be
- 59:27more pissed off with Alpha Academy. His storyline isn't becoming Champion yet. His
- 59:34storyline exists still with Alpha Academy being more abusive with them, which to me
- 59:39is super cringe. I get where they're going with it, but every time
- 59:44I see it just makes me uncomfortable. But that's the storyline that it is
- 59:50with him. Eventually, like you said, they're going to turn on Chad
- 59:53Gable and you know, especially Otis, and they're gonna turn on, They're
- 59:58gonna fight back, maybe have a little mini feud with Otis for like a
- 1:00:02week or two before he reveals their replacements in the Creed brothers. And then
- 1:00:13that's when, like you said, that's when Chad Gable will take that next
- 1:00:16step hopefully and dethrown Sammysein and become the IC champion that he should have become
- 1:00:23became a WrestleMania Bronson Reed is just there for a big guy in the match.
- 1:00:30Unfortunately, this match has very little to do with Bronson Reed. He
- 1:00:34is very much background white noise in this match. Yeah. Plus, you're
- 1:00:43in the Saudi crowd, and so you know, Sammy's Ain is kind of
- 1:00:47sort of almost not really a hometown hero to them, but kind of sorta
- 1:00:52is given that sammise Ain't is in fact Muslim, so he has that going
- 1:01:00with for him as well. So with the hometown crowd, this will be
- 1:01:02the big feel good moment for them as well. Much of my chagrin,
- 1:01:12Carlos, Yeah, I believe that samuse Ain will go ahead and retain because
- 1:01:20he was my call regardless of what Drey was telling you throughout this wrestlem and
- 1:01:25you build sammys Ain deserved to win the Intercontinental Championship, not Chad Gable,
- 1:01:36and his story is going down the dark side of a heel still needs to
- 1:01:42continue, and the big payoff will be him finally winning the championship belt,
- 1:01:47but it'll probably happen more in SummerSlam than this. Chad will not take the
- 1:01:55pin here. It's gonna be a pin, but it'll probably be Bronting again.
- 1:02:00They could still keep cooking with dis feud of Sammy's ain and Jed Gable.
- 1:02:06Yeah yeah, sammise A ain't deserves shit, but to tap out of
- 1:02:10resume, he deserved nothing, but the towel landed on his face as Chad
- 1:02:15Gable threw it there for it's all he damn deserved, some bitch. Uh.
- 1:02:24All right, let's talk about the last title match on the card here,
- 1:02:29the singles match, Cody Rhodes versus Logan Paul for the undisputed w W
- 1:02:37Championship and not for Logan Paul's the United States Championship. As soon excuse me,
- 1:02:45as soon as I heard that, spoilers already knew who I felt,
- 1:02:51like what the outcome is going to be. It's going to be Cody.
- 1:02:54It's going to be Cody. Yeah, and no way fans are brought like
- 1:03:00the the I didn't. I thought he Logan Paul would have been somewhat of
- 1:03:05a threat, but then when you you tell me that it's not title for
- 1:03:08title, because the whole time I was like, okay, well, how
- 1:03:10are they going to do this? It's gonna be like a double count out,
- 1:03:15you know, like double DQ Like, how are they going to do
- 1:03:17this? Who's walking out with two titles? Nobody? They found away a
- 1:03:23loophole to do champion versus champion, and somehow Logan Paul walks away, gets
- 1:03:31the opportunity to walk away with everything. You know, Uh, silly,
- 1:03:39fuck it, silly man. There's really nothing to say about this match.
- 1:03:45I really, there's there's pointless all this is. This is the Saudi money
- 1:03:50match. Yep, that's exactly what this is. This one is everything.
- 1:03:54There's that match that we know only happened because the Saudis wanted it to happen.
- 1:03:59This wwe throwing them a bone like we're paying this money. We want
- 1:04:02to see such and such. Okay, fine, and that's what this is.
- 1:04:08Saudi's probably said we want to see Logan Paul because he had such a
- 1:04:10good match with Roman last year. Ye, so we want to see Logan
- 1:04:14Paul have another championship match, and Cody's the champion, so fine, will
- 1:04:17shoehorn this bullshit together. Let y'all have this match with the most predictable of
- 1:04:24outcomes, and they weaseled their way out of it so that there's essentially no
- 1:04:28stakes, even though they say it's red. Oh yeah, what the fuck
- 1:04:30ever, it's this is the it's a nothing burger. This is meaningless,
- 1:04:36is pointless. I'm sure the match will be good because both of them can
- 1:04:40go in the ring, but ultimately it's pointless and serves really no purpose.
- 1:04:45The only good thing that's come out of this whole situation to me is the
- 1:04:48promo that Cody cut on Logan Paul when they first announced this match, When
- 1:04:57Logan was trying to talk like he was the guy, like he was the
- 1:04:59main event, like he was the main guy, like he was the top
- 1:05:01guy in ww we held the title, the longest reigning champion at that time,
- 1:05:05which he currently is still by technicality, right, and all that shit,
- 1:05:11and then Cody just you know, talked to his shit and then finished
- 1:05:14it off by saying, you know, after this match, you will or
- 1:05:17Cody was saying, you know, this is a team and after the after
- 1:05:23our match in Saudi Arabia, you will know your place on this team.
- 1:05:27Like that was the strong ass promo from Cody. For me, that was
- 1:05:30the first time that since he's won the belt that he looked like the guy
- 1:05:35to me, that he looked like the champion to me when he cut that
- 1:05:40promo on on Logan Paul like he had the aura, he had the presence
- 1:05:45of note, I'm the fucking top guy here. So to me, that's
- 1:05:49the only good thing that's come out of this whole thing. All the rest
- 1:05:51of it has been a waste, And the match itself is gonna be a
- 1:05:56waste, not gonna suck, but it's still gonna be a waste of time.
- 1:06:00This is Carlos's most anticipated match of the entire car Right, are you
- 1:06:08talking about Gunther versus Toma Loa or Tomatanga. No, I'm talking about Logan.
- 1:06:18No. As good as Logan Paul is, like Dre and you mentioned
- 1:06:25as soon as they said, as soon as Logan Paul busted out his contract
- 1:06:30that he got from his lawyer, that it was only going to be for
- 1:06:35Cody. Yeah, they You know, Hunter has done some great things,
- 1:06:44but everything's pretty much been like by the book, the only like type of
- 1:06:51I guess surprises or swerves that we've gotten, Uh, were like, I
- 1:06:59guess I wrestle, you know, because we knew people were going to come
- 1:07:02out. We all knew that it was going to be that endgame finish for
- 1:07:05the Roman and Cody, but we just didn't know who was going to come
- 1:07:11out and when they were going to come out, and especially if Austin was
- 1:07:15going to come out. So but everything's just been by the book and them
- 1:07:20them handcuffing. You could have left it where that stipulation was not in there
- 1:07:27and at least give you, like the illusion that Logan had some chance to
- 1:07:32actually win. But now they just like said, you know what, once
- 1:07:36this match comes on, you can basically just turn off this pay per view
- 1:07:40unless you want to see the actual details of this match. Yeah, yeah,
- 1:07:46you're right about that. They could have made this a non title match
- 1:07:50and then given us some genuine intrigue on if if Logan could just pull a
- 1:07:56surprise upset on the champion. And yeah, to your point, Triple H
- 1:08:01has played it pretty dagon safe so far because and to a certain and as
- 1:08:08I'm thinking about it here in real time, that would have been bold,
- 1:08:13that would have been daring. I don't know if it would have made sense
- 1:08:16though, because you can you imagine Cody new champion. We're fresh off of
- 1:08:26Roman reigns three year run as champion and now we've got Cody. And in
- 1:08:31Cody's second pl e matches Champion, he loses. Even if it's a non
- 1:08:39title match, he loses. Yeah, that would it would be yeah shocking?
- 1:08:45Yes, yeah, yes it could. Also it could also backfire terribly
- 1:08:53and make Cody look real weak as champion. And I don't know if you
- 1:08:57want to do that to the guy that you've clearly paid as your face of
- 1:09:00the company going forward. I don't know if you want to weak, if
- 1:09:02you want to, you know, cut them off at the proverbial knees that
- 1:09:06quickly. Maybe if if we were like, you know, seven eight months
- 1:09:12into his title run and somebody pulled it off, then yeah, that it
- 1:09:16might be more make more sense because he's more firmly established as the champion.
- 1:09:21You know, him taking surprise l wouldn't hurt him as much. But the
- 1:09:27second match, I'm not mad at them for not being that risky. I
- 1:09:35agree Triple A's does need to take more risk. He does need to give
- 1:09:40us some more surprises, not that bullshit did it on Monday with fucking Lyra
- 1:09:43Valkyrie and the Yo Sky. But he does need to take some more chances
- 1:09:45to give us more surprises. And I don't know if this was the one
- 1:09:49that if this is the one to do it, yeah baby, yeah,
- 1:09:57I don't know, man h. That's it for the title matches. So
- 1:10:04it's like three title matches, and then the two are the the King of
- 1:10:11the Ring and Queen of the Ring. Okay, so let's just start with
- 1:10:15the women's right now, Lyra Valkyrie on Raw is representing Raw. She's gonna
- 1:10:21be versing the SmackDown Bracket winner, which is tomorrow, and SmackDown Bracket has
- 1:10:29paid Naya Jacks versus Bianca bell Air. Now. As much as much as
- 1:10:36I would love to see Bianca bell Air go further in this competition, I
- 1:10:44don't think it's gonna happen soon. And I kind of felt that when Jade
- 1:10:53got eliminated from this match, I got eliminated from this competition by Naya Jacks,
- 1:11:00so it was kind of like, oh shit, Nya's gonna take them
- 1:11:02both out and Naya is going to be queens. It's perfect. I think
- 1:11:11I don't see Lira. Now that I know that there's a title shot involved,
- 1:11:15I don't see Lyra being the person even though yes, her and Becky
- 1:11:20have some history, but as of recent her and Naya have more history.
- 1:11:29I mean, I just I just think it is perfect. The queen role
- 1:11:34is more perfect for Naya that the heel queen that everybody's going to fucking hate.
- 1:11:42Ah, it's gonna make her hate her even more and more of a
- 1:11:45heel. Uh. I guess yeah, let's just stick with the women's right
- 1:11:49now, Dre, what what do you think? Exactly what you just said?
- 1:11:57Yeah? And like I said, once they announced that the winner was
- 1:12:00gonna get a title opportunity at some point down the line, I immediately knew
- 1:12:04Naia Jack's was gonna become Queen of the Ring. Also, the moment fucking
- 1:12:10Lyra Valkyria became the one to represent Raw over EO Sky again, fucking bullshit.
- 1:12:17Yeah, you pretty much guaranteed that. Okay, Well, the Queen
- 1:12:20of the Rings coming from SmackDown, it's either gonna be Bianca or Naya.
- 1:12:26And I don't see Bianca being Queen of the Ring at this point because I
- 1:12:33think it's a little I think it's a little too early to try to plant
- 1:12:36that seed of jealousy between Bianca and Jade. I don't see it. It's
- 1:12:43not there yet. They've been real committed to doing long form storytelling, and
- 1:12:50now it seemed like skipping ahead a couple of chapters. If oh, we're
- 1:12:56tag team champions and I'm Queen of the ring by the way, mm hmmm,
- 1:13:01and not unless they were pushed for this match at SummerSlam, which I
- 1:13:04don't think that's the case. I don't think they're pushing out to WrestleMania.
- 1:13:10Didn't they I'm not saying that they should, but didn't they do that with
- 1:13:14Carmela and Selena Vega together as a tag team. They were champions and Selena
- 1:13:18Vega was the queen of the Ring. I just think that's just too much
- 1:13:26for one one person. You're also like, like, these two girls are
- 1:13:30gonna be focused on the tag division. It's probably why they you know,
- 1:13:34Jade was taken out so early. Well, quarterfinals, but uh yeah,
- 1:13:41Bianca is gonna get taken out in the semi finals. I'm happy they were
- 1:13:44even in it. I mean to be honest, but yeah, Carlos,
- 1:13:48what do you get in this conversation, who do you think is gonna win
- 1:13:53the Queen of the Ring, Naya Jacks, just because I think she would
- 1:13:59pretty much own that as a heel queen. We already see how she is
- 1:14:03like currently right now with you know, the way she like flicks her hair,
- 1:14:10and you know she's always trying to do like these poses already you could
- 1:14:15kind of catch like she's been like prepping for this and giving you like little
- 1:14:18hints. You know that she is like already written in to win this tournament.
- 1:14:26It makes sense for like you guys mentioned that Bianca not when, just
- 1:14:32because you know it's too early to break up the tag team of Jade and
- 1:14:39her, and they haven't built up enough of the storyline to even make that
- 1:14:45type of thing where Jade would be jealous. This is barely technically what her
- 1:14:50second month up in the main rods, So why would she be jealous of
- 1:14:59anything right now? So it just needs to you know, it needs to
- 1:15:02cook a little bit more. You're taking it out, it's you know,
- 1:15:05it still needs a little bit more time. So Nya Jacks is the easy
- 1:15:10answer, because you're not gonna give Lyra Valkyria a shot, because then if
- 1:15:15she gets her shot, and then they said it's gonna be happening in SummerSlam.
- 1:15:19Yere's no way that You're already interesting Lyra to be the face of Monday
- 1:15:26Night raw hell. So like as much as I don't and I still don't
- 1:15:31see what Hunter season here to give her that type of fast promotion. She
- 1:15:36just held the NXT title just a little bit ago. You know that Becky.
- 1:15:44You know when Becky went back, was it like last winter and she
- 1:15:47had it and then she dropped it to Lyra before she dropped it to Rock
- 1:15:53Sand Perez. So it's like, it's no, it's it's gonna be Nia
- 1:15:59just because Nyam makes the more sense. And you know, right now,
- 1:16:04I think from what I mentioned earlier, Live is going to be building towards
- 1:16:09that program, still facing off probably Becky a little bit further down, if
- 1:16:14not on Money in the Bank, maybe it's it's SummerSlam so and gonna be
- 1:16:20Nya and Bailey. Yep, I see that. And Plus ever since Nya
- 1:16:28has come back, she's really improved, like she has really stepped her game
- 1:16:34up. She's gotten much better in the ring. You haven't heard any complaints
- 1:16:39or anybody say anything about her injuring people or anything of that nature. Like,
- 1:16:45she has really really stepped her game up in this second run with WWE.
- 1:16:49And when somebody performs like that, when somebody steps their game up and
- 1:16:55improves like that, they deserve to be rewarded. So excuse me if you're
- 1:17:00not gonna reward her with a title yet, then Queen of the Ring is
- 1:17:06a good step. It's a good thing for her to have a good accolade
- 1:17:10for her to have, let her build herself up more, become more credible,
- 1:17:15enhance her character until the point where you decide she is, you know,
- 1:17:20ready to either become the champion or challenge again in the main event picture
- 1:17:27as and she can cash in that opportunity as queen. So yeah, she
- 1:17:30she has earned this and I'm glad to see her get it. Cool.
- 1:17:36Cool, all right, let's talk about the men's The King of the Ring
- 1:17:44right now on Raw representing Raw is Gunther. He defeated jay Usso the other
- 1:17:49day and for a SmackDown we are getting We're getting tomorrow Randy Orton versus Tom
- 1:18:00Tonga. Winner of that will go on to the finals. Uh, how
- 1:18:05I see this going? Is I see Rainy Orton going forward, It just
- 1:18:14makes sense. Jay Us didn't go forward Tom. I honestly would have thought
- 1:18:19that jay Usso and Toma Tongua would have came across each other at some point.
- 1:18:25Uh, you know it didn't happen. I just I don't see I
- 1:18:30just don't see any reason for Tomatongua to go forward unless he's just gonna be
- 1:18:35taken out, unless he's gonna be putting on a good match with gunthro But
- 1:18:39I don't see it happening now Orton versus Gunthar two. There's wonderful reasons why
- 1:18:45this this match should happen. I mean, come on, Orton has everything,
- 1:18:51He's done everything under the sun. But when King of the Ring,
- 1:18:56he's done money in the bank, he's done the Rumble, He's won the
- 1:18:59Intercontinental, the United States, the Tag Team, the World titled, the
- 1:19:03He's won, He's won all the titles, w W, He's he's done
- 1:19:08it all. He just hasn't done King of the Ring. Uh. I
- 1:19:14mean so right, there was a good reason why Orton would be a great
- 1:19:16pick for this, But gunther Oh, gunther Man, talk about a guy
- 1:19:24who's been on a fucking role since his main roster. Call this guy held
- 1:19:30the Intercontinental title for six hundred and sixty six days and made that title relevant
- 1:19:35again. And for people who don't know about Gunther's reigns before this, go
- 1:19:43and look he was the NXT UK champion. He was. He was bigger
- 1:19:47too than heavier, not muscle mass, just mass in general. H He
- 1:19:55did great work in NXT and he's been very well pertect coming up on this
- 1:20:01roster. I mean, like all his finishes to his matches aren't all the
- 1:20:05same. I mean we saw him choke out jay Uso the other day,
- 1:20:11you know, in a sleeper. Not many it has been a while since
- 1:20:14that's happened. I really think with the momentum here, I really want to
- 1:20:19see both these guys, this is probably my most anticipated match. If we're
- 1:20:25getting Orton, if we're going this route. I can't jump the gun here
- 1:20:29because yeah, you never know. But it's my most anticipated match, believe
- 1:20:32it or not. And as as much as I would love to see Orton,
- 1:20:40just it's lined up perfect, you know, for him to get it
- 1:20:43all, decide to check everything off, you know, this is it.
- 1:20:47There's a lot of people I think about the drop pass my house, no
- 1:20:53what the hell sounded like a jet bus. I don't know what the hell
- 1:20:56that was, but anyway, Yeah, I feel like this is Gunther's time,
- 1:21:04This is it, this is this is his next step. Like he's
- 1:21:08the longest ring intercal champion. Now he's going to be King Gunther and then
- 1:21:14after that, then then it's the world title. Uh dre, who do
- 1:21:20you think is coming out King? Yeah? When I said that triple H
- 1:21:27announcing that the King and Queen of the Ring would get championship title match opportunities
- 1:21:34in the future, and that took all the suspense out of this tournament because
- 1:21:40the moment he announced that, the winners became immediately known and predictable. To
- 1:21:45me, this is what I was meaning. This is what I meant the
- 1:21:47second he made that. I heard about that announcement, I knew Gunther was
- 1:21:53going to become King of the Ring. I mean, I pretty much already
- 1:21:56suspected that beforehand, but that pretty much solidified. This is just the next
- 1:22:01step in Gunter's gradual ascension to the top. The best thing about this is
- 1:22:08the fact that no matter who comes out on the SmackDown side, you're gonna
- 1:22:13have a hell of an intriguing men's final in the King of the Ring Tournament
- 1:22:16Gunter versus Randy Orton. I don't think with I don't think those two have
- 1:22:19ever locked up before, so that'd be a first time. So that's gonna
- 1:22:24be a great match. Both of them can absolutely cook, right, and
- 1:22:28that'll be a hell of a match. And for Gunter's ascension, this makes
- 1:22:32sense for him to face somebody of Randy Orton's caliber at this point and not
- 1:22:38be a throwaway match that just happens on like a random episode of Raw or
- 1:22:45something like that. Like these two meeting for the first time in a match
- 1:22:48with some real stakes behind it. This is how it should happen, how
- 1:22:54it should be done, not like how Vince tried to do with Lesner and
- 1:22:58Austin back in the day when he's just like I, Austin, I want
- 1:23:01you to lose the brock Lesner on Raw in Wichita, Kansas or wherever the
- 1:23:05fuck, which calls Austin to walk out of the company. This is the
- 1:23:11right way to do it if you got the guy that's on to come up,
- 1:23:15because you could argue that guns is on a elevation, maybe not the
- 1:23:23exact obviously not the exact same as like a brock Lesner or a Goldberg.
- 1:23:28It's much more of a slow burn. And because of that, it's it's
- 1:23:33making it is giving him so much more more credibility, it's giving him so
- 1:23:40much more you know, stature on his run. He's not just the you
- 1:23:45know, the new hotness, he's not just the flash in the pan like.
- 1:23:49He's really grinding his way up and really and doing it in the same
- 1:23:56dominant fashion like a Goldberg did, like a rock Lesner did. Granted they
- 1:24:01went undefeated, but Gunter, for all intensive purposes about damn near undefeated.
- 1:24:08He's had long ass runs at every stage of the game and pretty much dominated
- 1:24:13every step of the way from NXT to SmackDown to becoming an AIRER Continental champion.
- 1:24:18And now the next step is gonna be King of the Ring, and
- 1:24:23then at whatever point he decides he wants to become world champion, you can
- 1:24:27pretty much book it that he's going to win because he's that guy. Said
- 1:24:33him and Randy Orton makes for a great match if it turns out for somehow
- 1:24:38to beat Toma Tonga. To me, that's a hell of an intriguing match,
- 1:24:43just for the Bloodline factor and how they might factor into the King of
- 1:24:46the Ring. Granted, I don't think they're gonna do that because it wouldn't
- 1:24:53look good for Bloodline two point Zeros for Solo Soca to be the leader.
- 1:24:59But Tomaton is the King of the Ring. Like that's clearly a conflict of
- 1:25:03power dynamics within the group. So pretty obvious that Raindy Orton is gonna come
- 1:25:11out on the SmackDown side. He's gonna overcome the blood Line, probably with
- 1:25:15some assistance from like Kevin Owens or somebody coming to help him out, to
- 1:25:19help fight him off. And I'm pretty sure the Saudis want to see Randy
- 1:25:25Orton versus Gunter in a match. You know this, This will probably be
- 1:25:29the match of the night on the show, honestly. But yeah, Gunch
- 1:25:31is winning, There's no doubt about it. Carlos, come on, man,
- 1:25:42what's it? What do he got? Okay? So fun fact,
- 1:25:48before this match, I always want I was fantasy booking that Tomatanga should win,
- 1:25:56and the reason for that is because Haku was King of the Ring,
- 1:26:03so because that's a son, it would have been since all right, sorry
- 1:26:12if that, uh well, I lost internet connection. That ended up falling
- 1:26:15out of the of the party of the recording. Uh. But the last
- 1:26:19part we got, Carlos, you were mentioning something about you want Tomatanga to
- 1:26:25Uh you think you found a fantasy booking of how he would win this and
- 1:26:29involving h Haku and and you know was a former King of the Ring winner.
- 1:26:35Uh, just go in further detail of that. Well, the thing
- 1:26:40is, he wasn't the King of the Ring winner. He was just King
- 1:26:43Haku because Harley Race had gotten hurt. And then I think he just like
- 1:26:49took it over. And Meng is Meng Haku. You know who's gonna question
- 1:26:56him and be like, oh, you can't be King of the Ring.
- 1:26:59So we all know the stories of Haku and you know slash Meng. So
- 1:27:04it would have been fun if they would have been able to get Tama to
- 1:27:08also be a king, just to follow that lineage. His father was king,
- 1:27:13he's king, you know, keep that whole blood lenge thing going.
- 1:27:16But once hunter an now, so it's gonna be for a title like,
- 1:27:20well, I guess that's not gonna happen unless you know, you have this
- 1:27:25whole thing where Tama like forfeits or hands over his uh his championship opportunity to
- 1:27:31solo. But that's not gonna happen. That would look dumb. So Gunter
- 1:27:35is gonna win. And you know it's gonna be like you guys said,
- 1:27:39it's gonna be a good match. I guess they felt maybe they had something
- 1:27:44when they had that triple threat match with Randy and Kevin Owens, and I
- 1:27:50guess Randy is the one they got the call to keep going with him.
- 1:27:57Yeah, very true. And you know what it's unique about this card is
- 1:28:00a no judgment day at all on the card, No judgment day and no
- 1:28:05judgment day no yeah, unless they announced something this Friday. Yeah, we
- 1:28:14got a very short card, which means we're probably gonna get long matches and
- 1:28:18a whole lot of fluff because we got what three matches that we know of
- 1:28:26ye, three matches we know of it, then the two King of the
- 1:28:28Ring finals matches. Yeah, they don't want no bullshit matches for we want
- 1:28:32something on the line. Man, Maybe they get Stone Cold to run out
- 1:28:39there. Well, you can't drink beer, so stone Cold is out.
- 1:28:43Never mind what there's water bottles and Stone Cold already said he's done done,
- 1:28:50so Uh, dude, tre do you have anything you want to plug?
- 1:28:58Nothing at this point in time, Just as always you always if i'd me
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- 1:29:10Just life been life and lately so it's gotten in a way cool.
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- 1:33:15you guys are patient enough Oh that's all I got. Fellas. Uh,
- 1:33:23let's get out of here. Bye bye, bitch. You are the world's
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